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King of kings Edition

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>Camelot's heads up + Limited Gatcha [25-7~29-7]
>http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info/news.php#20160722
Master Missions. Complete these for quartz fragments that you can combine to exchange for quartz.
Level cap up to 130.
New mats.
Collect 10 of the new item 'Blank Saint Graph' to get a 5* of your choice. You get one of this every time you roll a 5* beyond your 5th copy.
Gacha Servants:
Ozymandias, 5* Rider: Single target super strong attack, NP seal (1 turn) and defense down (3 turn) <overcharge>.
Nitocris, 4* Caster: Strong AoE attack inflicting instant death <overcharge>.
Lancelot, 4* Saber: Arts card up (1 turn) and super strong attack to one target and increased damage (5 turns) <overcharge>.
Hassan of Serenity, 3* Assassin: Apply poison to single target (5 turns) and chance to seal skills (1 turn) and chance to seal NP (1 turn) and chance to inflict instant death <overcharge> on a super strong attack.
Fujiwara no Hidesato, 3* Archer: Apply super effective bonus against [Demon] (1 turn) <overcharge> and strong AoE attack.
Gacha CEs:
Origin Bullet: Invincibility pierce and +35% damage up against Casters.
Fire Support: Damage plus 400 and critical strength 15% up.
Battle of Camlann: 10% NP charge to entire team when the wielder is killed.

>News and Reminders
- Latest changes: http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info/news.php
New vers - emulators, rooted androids, jailbroken iPhones, & androids with developer options on are prevented from launching game

>Dropmaps
http://imgur.com/a/6nXq9

>Frequently Asked Questions
http://pastebin.com/Hp918cqA

>Mega Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/HTrhq7Nk

>Translations Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/URc62gex

>Friendlist Spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q7PleXm4aQWpc0-fvUhS-p9LMoept7nc5WtwkCUX0os

>Wiki
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info

>Camelot Spoilers
http://pastebin.com/bxy64aiH
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These shadow cucks are fuckig rare
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xth for quick meme team
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Ramesses!
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Please come home, my King.
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xth for let's make tier spreadsheet a reality
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>Account comes back from recovery
>now has 163 quartz and one sole ticket
>roll for shits and giggles my one ticket
>silver rider card turns gold
>mfw it's Brown Gil
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>>149825391
>king of kings
>worse than a fucking 4* welfare
Truly the worst gold "King" probably can't even golden drive
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>>149825587
He really likes to hear himself talk. All his lines are long as hell, including stuff like level up and skill activation.
I guess it is in character but it's kinda annoying when they start overlapping with the rest of the party's.
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If King Hassan is, how to be done? There is much to be discussed.
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xth for SAND.
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Heres hoping the next gacha is not very good so I can save up what little I have for Gawain and Lancer Arturia.
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>>149825565
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I love mama!
She's been a great help for clearing Camelot.
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I haven't touched my Alt since the Emu ban weeks ago.

Is there a work around for Memu?
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>>149825687
Don't question the pharaoh
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>>149825705
It just Koyasu being Koyasu.
I think the skill line is kinda long because of the laugh.
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>>149825707
>If King Hassan is, how to be done? There is much to be discussed.
You lost me.
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>out of apples
Whew
10/10 would grind again. Now I can save my Quartz for Enkidu-chan
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>>149825825
Read the cheatapk pastebin.
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>>149825705
Oh yeah, thankfully I never tire of hearing his maniac laugh.
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>>149825825
No, do a giveaway
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>>149825687
>Rider Kintoki
>Has to rely on his NP for heavy damage
>Good

Crit master race.
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>>149825687
Please stop using Golden for bitching purposes, thank you
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>>149825810
>Heart pattern bikini
>Not something black
I'd be surprised if she wore something like that but it's not bad
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>>149825928
Rider Kintoki can buff his crits too.
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>>149825780
>Tristan is literally 4* David
Too OP
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>>149826001
He has a crit GEN buff, but no crit DAMAGE buff.
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>>149825687
>Bringing your shitposting into the new thread
Fuck off, you're giving Golden a bad name.
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>>149825810
>1860x2623
muh dick
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When
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>>149825928
The irony of this post and pic related
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>>149825687
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>>149825753
>get excited to roll one of them and try right after clearing Camelot
>get shit
I never learn
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An honest question, is Bedivere better than Lily?
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It's worth buy the EXP from the mana prism shop?
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>>149826107

Oh is that you chibi anon?

Can you make an angry Riyo-chibi Akkun, friend?
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Robin and Euryale doing work in this Order. Thank you cuties!
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>>149825862
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
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>>149825713
DELET THIS
>>149826125
Anything is better than Lily
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>>149826107
Its hard to resist, but I learned from American that trying to get a story unlock without a rate up takes a miracle.
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>>149826164
If you have prisms to spare. Tickets and Fous take priority though.
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>>149826107
Do you happen to have all the Knight's chibis?
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DELETE SISTER NERO
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>>149826164
Usually not, only when you have an excess of cubes and want to save cards in the gift box for an unreleased servant.
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>>149826232
No I just stole it from futaba
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Reminder that the Valentines CE is good this chapter because of the sausagefest
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>>149826102
Have you seen them crit? Their NP is good but their crits are elder god tier, especially of you give them a maxed Luvia CE.
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>>149825687
I was making a reference to YGO because of the whole King of kings/King of games and also Pharaons
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>>149826283
I have more or less 4k prisms and don't really care about the CEs. I need to level some servants and 50 4*EXP helps a lot
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>>149826369
Dumb redditorposter
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>>149826424
Why would I use that when I have 3 volumen
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>>149826001
That star rate up,not crit damage up
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>>149826445
Then why the fuck are you asking?
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>>149825810
We posting swimsuits?
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THEY
FUCKING
DECREASED THE APPEARANCE RATE
FOR SHADOW SERVANTS
IN DAILIES
I KNOW IT
REEEEEEEEEEE
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My kings!
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I wonder if all the side Hassans being all generic means they'll never be used anywhere. Hassan of 420 seems pretty neat.
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Middle.
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>>149826602
Nobu a best!
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>Mashu had to AWAKEN to fight Saber Memealot
>Memealot that is having doubts because muh son/daughter
>but didn't with Gawain
JUST
U
S
T

Berserker Lancelot >>>>>>> Agravain >= Saber Memealot >>>>> Numeral Gawain.

GAWAINFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH
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>>149826436
Would you a Kaiba?
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>>149826602
>>149826602

How is she such a sex goddess?
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>>149825691
How can you even justify that, you dumb retard? Medb is literally setup to beat Males, her NP does more damage against Males than Ozzy's (and you don't even need to whale because the male damage is overcharge). As for GOLD, his NP might do more flat damage but that's only so good if you're looking for a one-turn kill. Against heavier bosses, you need someone to be able to stall and Medb also does that against Male enemies with her charm skill (which is also complemented by her Noble Phantasm). Add in her ability to heal herself and with the right craft essence (A Song of Burning Love Story) she flat out can do more damage to Males even without her NP and you have a unit that is far, far better than Ozzy against Males and far better than GOLD against Caster boss fights.

It's pretty simple, obviously not for you though. Ozy is better than Medb against Female and unspecified enemies. Medb is better than Ozy against Male. Pirate Sluts are useful but again not good enough on their own to take a Caster boss fight, Medb is. At the end of the day, she's 5* for a reason, her issue has always been the fact her focus is niche, but almost everyone agrees she's great within that focus. That's why she was used in the recent raid event.
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>>149826486
Because I didn't pull one
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>>149826701
>Nobu
get your eyes checked anon does that hair look black to you?
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>>149826602
>tfw my gf has titties like this
Feels great
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Which Servant has the worst voice in FGO?
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>>149826235
Robin is the custest archer I can't wait to use him in Extella!;_;
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>>149826701
>nobu
typical blind nobu autist
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>>149826832
Nobu.
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>>149826750
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>>149826750
Whoa whoa calm down, Medb.
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>>149825862
I am win, but thought lost. Today is not best.
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>>149826648
I got at least one every time I went in. You just have shit luck.
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>>149826719
Please don't use our eggplant to shitpost
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>>149826732
yeah I want a female kaiba stepping on my dick wearing pantyhose while telling me how I will never be better than her in a duel
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>>149826914
Fuck off, Nobu a best!
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>>149826746
She takes good care of her body
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>>149826732
I needed this in my life.
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>>149826829
>gf
nice meme
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So with all these 'reduce defense' effects on NPs, do they apply before or after the NP damage takes place or it is a case by case basis?
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Over the fucking line.
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16skldo8wCjXRefLdlqCmOLkn_4UBnfgBHboBFSdRjnk/edit?usp=sharing

Done with the basic skeleton. It remains to be seen if the general can fill this out without imploding, but it's there.

For actually filling things in, I'm tempted to just make this open edit but I already know how well that'd go. I guess someone can just write something up, then I'll copy and paste it in?
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>>149825810
>>149826602
I see, that's how it is.
There's no coming back now, it can't be helped.
3DPD will never archieve such perfection, all is wrong with the world.
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Is it just me or Lancelot's NP completely misses some of the smaller servants like Tamamo?
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>>149826719
Gawain never lets you enter to Camelot actually.
It is until later that the final fight against him happens with an already awakened Mashu, and even then it seems that it was actually King Hassan that did the job.
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>>149827025
Usually after
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>>149826602
mfw theres no new Scathach doujins
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>>149826914
Fight me, bitch.
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>>149826845

Yeah Robin is the best. He's still just a kid at heart dammit.
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>nobu and risa and boring seibah again

holy fucking shit can they not get any other VA on these stream when you make more money than MGS
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>>149827002

Is it enough for her to handle servicing a monster like Fergus?
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>>149826914
this is correct
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>>149826732
Yes but only a male one because vaginas are kinda gay
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>spooked by Lancelot
;-;
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>>149826948
Got one every 3 apples. I did not want to use those apples for fucking rider daily.
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>>149827184
>master1200
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>>149827234
There, there anon. I understand.
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>>149827157
Yo, did the stream start? I know there's some stream sometime but I forgot the time
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Bedivere 1st or 3rd ascension? I way prefer the bronze arm, but the cloak on the 3rd is baller as fuck.
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>>149827026
You are officially dead if all you if there aren't any archers in the back.
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What's the best place to farm for Dust?
Dailies aren't dropping any
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>>149827234
Best 4 star single target saber.
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Do we know who is writing Babylon yet?
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>>149826938
I'm perfectly calm. It's not an anger-driven spergout that leads me to call him a retard, it's the fact he legitimately is retarded. It's like saying Vanilla Artoria does better against Lancer Artoria than Mordred does. When the whole idea of a unit is a specific focus, generally they're better than most within that focus. If someone is too dumb to get that, then they should take their shitposting and fuck off to reddit to join like minded autists.
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>>149827157
They're probably the only actors with free time.

Yuta-kun desu is great though.
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>>149827351
Hot springs
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>>149827184
>vaginas are kinda gay
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>>149826845
Best bird.
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>>149827404
It's me
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>>149827278
I know, I didn't realised until I post it.
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>>149827364

Ugliest saber, nobody can Fashion Souls with him
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>>149827278
>resolution doesn't even hit 1200 to begin with
You know shit-all about pixiv
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>>149826602
>>149825810
>>149827164
We'll never know because Fergus got killed by Atilla before he had the chance to challenge Scathach for a night with her body.

In her original introduction quest Fergus says he always dreamed of making the Queen of the Land of Shadows his, to which Scathach said she didn't mind though she quickly followed that up with saying that he'd have to best her in combat first. Fergus' response after that indicated that he was pretty skeptical of his own chances but might try his luck anyways.
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>>149827364
>shit lorewise
What's the point?
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>>149827404
Nasu long time ago said he was writing the prologue and the final order himself.
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>Gacha so awful I managed to stockpile 70 Quartz after completing story without a single roll
>300 day login is in two weeks
>30 Quartz from the akiba event in a few days
>probably another 20 from the actual anniversary
>swimsuit event soon surely to have Quartz rewards
Who knew saving could be fun
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>>149827157
Nobu and Tanade are great though. People would riot if they are not there.
Seiba just gets Seiba privilege. Specially after a chapter in which she was the final boss.
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>>149826750
>Against heavier bosses, you need someone to be able to stall

Ozzy has his fucking ridiculous Imperial Privilege with its heal and its defense buff.

Without a means of overcharging Medb's NP, that charm of hers is still a little unreliable, especially if the enemy has a means to buff its debuff resistance. As of right now, both Caster Gilles and Caster Cu can do that among that niche of "male Caster enemies." By contrast, Ozzy's NP seal is guaranteed.
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>>149827448
Vaginas are gay and spooky and these are facts
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>>149826125
Bedivere is 3rd rate, Mordred says so.
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>>149827060
Keep going anon

Even if it's just to piss off /fgog/!
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>>149827539
He's okay, before he started cucking people at least.
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>>149827541
You mean to tell me Nasu is going to inflict more shit writing on us? As if Camelot wasn't bad enough?
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>>149827570
The akiba event is the anniversary you doofus
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>>149826661
Where is this from? Interlude?
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Should I? I don't really need them anymore, so I?
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>>149827650
I can't really do anything until someone decides to sit down and do a writeup.
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>tfw I blew all my quartz trying to get minamoto
>only now realise that I couldn't get her because she hates shuten who I rolled previously
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>>149827060
You should make the first few entries your self or at least the first one yourself just so that people have a template if they feel like writing shit
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>>149827404
Seeing how Camelot was hijacked by Nasu I would bet in Babylon being the same case.
Nasu will write most of it while Higashide or someone else will help him with some characters.
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>>149827541
Nice
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>>149827157
>Nobunaga is Gudao
>Risa is the main heroine
Seibah is the only one that could be changed
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>>149827304
No

the site already have a listing of who will be on the stream so its gonna be shit again unless they have a surprise guest

they probably won't roll again on stream because it just shows how shitty the gatcha is

>>149827437
who is yuta?

you mean kajita?
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>>149827679
I'm seeing a lot of reviews that Camelot is very well written except for Tristan.
Nasu also rewrote America, remember.
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>>149827541
But we don't know if Babylon is the final order
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>>149827570
The 30 quartz is for the anniversary, and it's all we will be getting from it, retard. Now fuck off.
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>>149826661
Who is number one? Who is number two?
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>>149827743
>Throwing away gold Servants for literally any reason
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>>149827060
>>149827650
>>149827754
>>149827748

You should go back to facebook
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>>149827727
Dumbass. The anniversary is separate
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>>149827157
We're getting Mafia-kun too right?
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>>149827678
>He's okay
>killed by a shitty Agravain
>same Agravain that the insane Lancelot defeated with ease
He is shit lorewise
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>>149827629
Agravain, why are you posting on a tapestry board instead of building a perfect kingdom for your gay and spooky king?
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>>149827854
When did facebook replace reddit and discord?
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>>149827157
>excluding Mashu and Gudao VA
No.
On the other hand remove Kawasumi and invite Joji or something.
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>>149827804
Nobu played Yuta in Kiznaiver and he is introduced saying Yuta-kun desu.
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>>149827060
Oi, that's hell you're waking into
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>>149827743
Definitely not. They all have different uses and two of those are probably not coming back.
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>>149827951
When did facebook, reddit and discord became different things?
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>>149827157
I thought Nobu quit F/GO
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>>149827835
>look mom I left Facebook to post on 4chan
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>>149827753
Sucks to be you, I got both Shuten and Minamoto without paying a cent.
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>>149827679
America and Camelot have been great, and both are the chapters Nasu has been involved the most along with the prologue.
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>>149827060
Take out the "Waver goes here" bar, it's actually annoying.
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>>149827919
Agravain isn't weak, you know. Abrasive as he may be, he's a member of the round table and a very capable warrior.
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What were Agravain's and Lancelot's gifts? Gawan had his permanent Numeral thing going on, Mordred was channelling mana directly from her soul to spam Clarent Blood Arthur, and Tristan's weaknesses were reversed. Lancelot became a Ruler in gameplay but I can't get a grasp on what the lore bullshit behind his gift is, and in Agravain's case I can't even see it confirmed that he has a gift even though presumably he should have one.
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>>149827965
>Joji
Why?
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>>149827743
Keep them senpai. At least if it's just to commemorate the effort that went into acquiring them.
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>>149828103
Nasu might be a little inconsistent and retcon lots of shit but he really has been the one that made the best grand order chapters, the best parts of okeanos were also made by him
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>>149828081
Wish I have Shuten.

I only have Ibaraki and Raiko.
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>>149828057
atleast kayo chin won't abandon him

nobu is actually cute and possibly a cuck since he says he thinks his waifu from other world lines (doujins) are still great
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>>149828081
At least I can play with both onis since I managed np3 ibaraki, you better treat them both well.
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>>149828106
It is done.

Anything else people think I should add/remove?
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>>149827743
>alter lvl 50
Yes, kill yourself afterwards while you are at it.
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Fuck you and your Galatine-spamming ass.

>>149827335
Had to command seal, unfortunately, Jannu's HP got way too low to survive another hit so she could tank that fucking Galatine. Hadn't used all 3 seals in quite some time, it was pretty refreshing.
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>>149828154
>dice rolls again
>get shit
>Jouji laughing with his Kirei voice

It'd be amazing.
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>>149828267
Remove yourself from existence.
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Did anyone ever translate the max bond CEs?
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>>149827531

Jeez, Scathach is both slutty and completely absurdly overpowered if someone like Fergus with great stats and skills is afraid of her.

Who even is a match for her canonically other than Cu Alter? Karna? Arjuna?
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What kind of flower is Ozy holding in his final art?
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>>149828057
He did?
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>>149828364
Bryn
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>>149828154
So I can expect King Hassan voiced by him.
Also rejoice.
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>>149828136
>Agravain isn't weak
Nice meme. He got stomped by crazy Lancelot in life. He is mid tier at best just like Saber Memealot.
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>>149828364
She's a complete fucking meme character.
She acts like a bland cunt to hide the fact she's all bark and no bite. The first time she actually tried to fight something she got btfo in america.
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>>149828364
Fionn, he's the one fighting her in the PV.
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>>149828137
Agravain gift is to be stronger than Lancelot.
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>>149828364
regular cu beat her
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>>149828137
Agravain outright refused a gift from Lion King because he didn't want to be enslaved

Agravain defeated Lancelot because after being trounced severely by Lancelot, he did some magic doping on himself that the grunt knights had to make them so strong and overcame Lancelot by doing that which resulted in several broken limbs. I won't make any excuses for Lancelot dying to a doped up dying man with no gifts though, probably Nasu wanted to give Agravain some spotlight.

Agravain won the battle, but end result was a tie as they both died in the end
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>>149828137

Agravain may not have gotten a gift simply because Arturia decided he had no need of one. Tristan's gift sounds more like it was a curse laid on him to turn him into an obedient killer for the King. We don't know yet how the gifts even really work.
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>>149828267
Yourself
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>>149828252
You've just had your definition of the term warped by this thread. Sorry
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>>149827730
Yes, Lancer Arturia's.
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>>149828507
As a teenager
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>>149828437
No. Look at his twitter. He still plays
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>>149828137
>Copy and pasting the same shit from previous threads to start shitposting
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>>149828364
Weaker than Cu Alter, stronger than Arjuna.
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>>149828453
>He got stomped by crazy Lancelot in life
Lancelot, too, is hardly weak. If you're saying Lancelot is weak because Agravain beat him, and then saying Agravain is weak because Lancelot beat him, I'm afraid something has gone terribly wrong with your logic.
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>>149828487

That would make sense, though Fionn shouldn't be stronger than Cu in the first place, right?

>>149828507

He did? When?
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>>149828396
Nefertari reference
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>>149828364
>Slutty
Well one the Celts have a totally different view about sex compared to modern people, and two the way she phrased it was a "You won't be able to do this, but if you're willing to die in pursuit of this go ahead"


>Scathach:I don't mind, you know.

>Fergus:OOOOH WHAT FORTUNE!


>Scathach: If you want to take on my gouging attack that has even killed gods, then yes, I'm ready for you anytime. Don't worry. I'll be gentle.

>Fergus:Oh...yeah...That is...
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>>149828516
I love how everyone thinks succumbing to wounds without treatment (you're telling me magecraft can't fix all those wounds?) means they both killed each other.

I guess in the 1800s dieing to dysentry meant you died to the enemy as well.
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>>149828364
Non-Berserker Herc, Sigurd, Romulus, Ozy and Enkidu.
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>>149828684
He's making some kind of distinction between normal and crazy Lancelot as a coping mechanism
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>>149827404
I believe it was said that nasu is writing it himself as opposed to higashide and nasu assisting/writing certain parts. Sakurai and higashide seem to be done writing main scenario stuff
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>>149828281
Some things are impossible no matter how much you want them, I only started playing earlier that month and didn't really have the time to do much with it until after New Year.
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>finished Camelot
Fuck, this feels bad.. I was enjoying it too. Rushing for Quartz and rolling is a bad habit, I should try to enjoy the story more
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>>149828745
Lancelot inflicted those wounds, so yes?
If I shot you in the chest then you slit my throat but bleed out from the wound, didn't I effectively kill you?
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Crit stars over 50 should move over to the next turn.
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>>149828267
I'll continue contributing.
http://pastebin.com/hLxMyD2W
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>>149828396
>>149828716
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>>149828364
Altera, going off of her intro quest.
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>>149828716
I know it's related to his waifu but I need specifics for cosplay reasons
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>>149828745
As you said, they succumbed to their wounds.

Even if you kill someone, if you get lethally wounded a minute ago you're still killed by "him".

Nothing wrong with that, really.
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>>149828716
That doesn't answer the question, retard
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>>149828707
>though Fionn shouldn't be stronger than Cu in the first place, right?
>true Godkiller is not strong
>have multiple secret Noble Phantasm

From where this meme rise?
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>>149828396
I believe it's an Egyptian lotus, not positive though.
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Managed to snag Ozzy from a 40 roll and Saber Lancelot from a ticket

How good are they, should I level them up before continuing with the story? (Currently arriving at Camelot now)

Also anyone got details on Camelot storyline? I've read the pastebin but it's kind of vague

Why did King Hassan cut Ozy's head off? How did Ozy have the grail instead of the Knights? Is Goddess Rhon > Amon Ra Ozy since he had to suicide bomb to break the barrier she set around the temple? Heck why was Ozy summoned in this timeline anyway?

Is King Hassan truly OP as fuck Grand Servant? (I heard he blocked Gawain's NP casually) If King Hassan was datamined as a Saber and he's supposedly a Grand Servant then Grand Saber Arturia is a lie?
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>>149828364
Li Shuwen.
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Is Fionn mac Cuckhaill in this game?
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>>149828707
You are forgetting Cu can still fight her even if not outright defeat her, even Scat has said he has chance if Gudao and him support each other.
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>>149827615
Which would be fine, if that's all Medb had. With a verse of burning love story the 80% charm skill + 12% plus 10% from the NP and that's 102%. But that's beside the point.

As I said, she needs interludes but Medb's extra 150% damage against male enemies means she's always doing more damage than Ozy with her NP against Male enemies (not just Casters). You'll actually find Medb and Ozy are quite alike, Ozy has better attack (which is why he's better against Female and Unspecified enemies) but their skills are mostly similar. Ozy can raise the whole parties NP gauge by 20%, Medb can raise her own by 30. Ozy can heal himself for 3000, Medb can herself for 3000 (across 3 turns). Both have the same Charisma. Medb is immune to debuffs, Ozy raises his own buffs. Essentially Medb debuffs and Ozy buffs.

The only real issue with Medb right now is that her charm skill should be raised to at least 90% to allow her, with her Noble Phantasm, to hit 100% without having to use a craft essence. The other issue is her attack in on the low side, but a noble phantasm interlude should cover that.

Is Ozy a better unit? Sure, but Medb still has enough to be better against Males over Ozy, that's her whole point. Really, I'd like an extra debuff on her noble phantasm, like attack down, but people here way overstate how bad Medb is. She needs work, but she is very fixable. Just doing the above will put her at least 8.5 to 9.0.
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>>149828745
>(you're telling me magecraft can't fix all those wounds?)
Nigga literally every fucking weapon in welsh mythology that was important enough to get a name also got the "wounds inflicted by this will NEVER HEAL"
Sir Cai got that trait applied to literally everything he wielded, even, it was absurdly common.
Gae Buidhe's enchantment was literally the name of the game in welsh.
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>>149829056
I want retard newfag to leave
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>>149828969
Calm down
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>>149828364
Achilles, Ozy, Romulus, Hector, Cu, Gil, Karna, Arjuna, Attila
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>>149829017
Both pretty good.
Just keep going with the story because they need the new ascension materials anyway.
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>>149828684
Crazy Lancelot > Agravain > Memelot Daddy trash
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>>149828941
>Ozzy references Nefetari in final art
>Ozzy references Moses in max bond my room line
Truly the best king
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>>149828972

Because Cu is the Prince of Light and the son of Lugh. He's the Irish equivalent of Heracles, whereas Fionn is more like the Irish Achilles with a bit of Agammemnon.
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>>149828396
>>149828984
>Egyptian lotus
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>>149829073
If you have to choose between using your Rider skillstones on Ozzy or on Medb, the answer is obvious.
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>>149828672
Karna and Arjuna are ridiculously strong aren't they? Arjuna single handedly wiped out all those Demon pillars at the end of America when Tesla + Edison + a bunch of other servants were getting their shit pushed in and Karna was supposedly gaining the upper hand against Arjuna before getting backstabbed by Cu Alter.

In a straight fight I think they are both on Cu Alter's level and Cu Alter creamed Scath.
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>>149829017
>If King Hassan was datamined as a Saber
I can answer this, at least. He wasn't. The relevant data string was Cursed Arm Hassan addressing a Saber-flagged servant as "boss". This isn't necessarily King Hassan, and in any case, that data has always been subject to change.
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I want to mash Mashu's marshmallows.
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>>149828258
083932510
Pls add me. I need more banana oni supports.
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>>149828745
>you're telling me magecraft can't fix all those wounds?
They can't. Read Zero. There is a point where magecraft can't do shit anymore
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>Lancelot:You don't mind if I kick Agravain ass right?
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>>149828267
Forgot to say, the list should contain only 5* for now.
If you include 4* there would be too many servants, 5* alone there's already 30 servants.
You can just put in the 4* later.
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>>149826648
I get more shadow servants on 30 AP daily than 40 AP daily.
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>>149828901
you died from wounds suffered, you can still be saved from that outcome through mage healing / actual medical treatment.

The whole point of a duel where one person is alive and the other is not means somebody died/lost, it's not a double KO.

>>149829105
Yes but we've seen people hurt by welsh weapons healed in TM, so clearly that shit doesn't fly in this.
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>>149829220
>>Ozzy references Moses in max bond my room line
what's he say ?
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>>149829148
>Hector
How?
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>>149829105

But Arondight doesn't have that ability in Nasuverse and what's more it was the magic doping that destroyed Agravain's body and eventually killed him. At best you could say that Agravain couldn't beat Lancelot without killing himself in the process, but Lancelot was not the direct cause of Agravain's death.
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>>149828937
You should add that Jack cam do damage vs Female enemies too
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So it looks like out of all the bond CEs only a few are actually addressing the Master, others are just total lore dumps or flashes from the servant's life or something. For instance Scathach and Atalanta's are ones that address Guda directly.

Scathach:

>You wish to know about the Land of Shadows? Its name befits its appearance. It is a malignant place completely enveloped in shadow, so dark even the sun cannot reach it. The land of death.Come to think of it, it is ironic that Cu Chulainn visited it.For he is the child of the Sun, isn’t he?

>...In the Land of Shadows are seven ramparts. Nay. They are not a literal manifestation.
They are like a symbol that represents a basic truth that you too are familiar with. In short,

>“The dead may not be revived.”

>The inhabitants of the Land of Shadows do not cross its walls and reveal themselves to the outside world. Normally, anyway. For that is fundamental.

>Now, then. I eagerly await the day you brilliantly save the world and send me back to that land. Master.

Atalanta:

>────It is the fruit of the gods. This forbidden fruit strips humans of all reason and promises eternal life to those who taste it.

>It would be enough to stop any human in his tracks. Holding one creates an irresistible urge to eat it. It is a basic reflex, much like when one recoils upon touching a hot surface, and is carved into man’s very being.

>Once, one was used in order to stop me. In the middle of a foot race, I lost control of myself and stopped running. I don’t want to remember what happened after that.

>And that’s why I’m holding onto it. I won’t give it to you.

>......You don’t need it, anyway. Isn’t that right?
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>>149829285
ah thanks. I'm excited for King Hassan, his design looks pretty epic. I had 170 quartz and 25 tickets when Camelot launched and was lucky enough to get Ozy and Lancelot off 40 quartz and 10 tickets so was saving the rest for Lancer Arturia but after seeing her lackluster skills and stats I might hold out for King Hassan.
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>>149829286
They would make good pillows.
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Tried contacting recovery about my account.
2 weeks later and no dice.
If anyone has an account they don't mind giving up
send it here
[email protected]
>inb4 sent ;)
I miss dantes
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>>149829245
Cu is more like Irish Jesus. so overwhelmingly "the" guy that any irish hero being stronker than him is nonsensical. There should be a fucking power gap between him and the next closest.
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>>149829423
I only listen to Mongolian throat singing.
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>>149829423
Koyama/Ototsugu Konoe/Nakahara/Takeuchi
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>>149829471

Hector is about on par powerwise with Achilles despite not having quite as good stats or NPs. If Achilles has decent odds of beating her, so does Hector.
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>>149829245
Fionn is more like the Original Arthur
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>>149828364
She's more bark than bite. Whenever she's actually fought she's been kinda shit, like how Cu Alter beat the shit out of her.

That said, any high/top tier could do it. Karna and Arjuna would take her with ease, regardless of what Cu Alter said.
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>>149827919
Lancelot beat him by surprise last time, this time lancelot was pushed back by his madden ed spirit. This time Agavain was the berserker.
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>>149829314
alright, I'll send it after I finish this battle.
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>>149829414
That you remind ozzy of moses but he scoffs it off as impossible. Then says it doesn't even matter as he just wants to see you shine/smile
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>>149829414
He just thinks you remind him of Moses. He doesn't reference Moses by name, though. But I believe that Moses along with Nefertari were referenced by name in a section of Ozymandias' character profile.
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>>149829017
>Why did King Hassan cut Ozzy's head?
Because previous to the timeline fuckery, this was supposed to be a singularity like the others. There was supposed to be a displaced grail and several servants teaming up to fight for this grail like in the previous singularities which would be fixed the minute you claimed the grail
King Hassan and Ozzy were part of this struggle and he cut off Ozzy's head as he was an enemy
>ow did Ozy have the grail instead of the Knights?
Ozzy took the grail disturbing the timeline which was in the hand of the crusaders. Arturia who is actually a divine spirit and not originally part of the war of the holy grail for this singularity, summoned her entire round table to do her own plot
>Is Goddess Rhon > Amon Ra Ozy since he had to suicide bomb to break the barrier she set around the temple?
Does it matter? rather than being stronger, it's better to say that one is a servant bound by grail summoning restrictions and the other is a divine spirit fueled by one of the most OP weapons in the world, the terms are unfair to start with
>Heck why was Ozy summoned in this timeline anyway?
Because the servants summoned to each singularity are random is my best guess, if there is a rule behind it, I either missed it or it has never been mentioned
>Is King Hassan truly OP as fuck Grand Servant?
All Grand Servants are OP, that's why they're Grand dumbass. we don't know that he actually is, but Roman seems to think so
>If King Hassan was datamined as a Saber and he's supposedly a Grand Servant then Grand Saber Arturia is a lie?
we don't know
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>>149828984
Eh, it's my best guess, and I am basing it off of the assumption that it's a flower found in Egypt. And the closest I could think of off the top of my head was the Nelumbo nucifera, originally came from India, but made its way over to Egypt through trade and such, and depicted in widely in Egyptian art.
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>>149829262
>Is Ozy a better unit? Sure,
Do you completely lack reading comprehension or are you just shitposting? If you're lucky enough to have both you should be running both against Caster enemies because they both complement each other well as they both play to different strengths while not being incompatible because of it. Similar to how Memeskander tries to work with Drake, except Drake just beats him on every count.

If skill stones are your only issue, then frankly it's not much of an issue at all. That doesn't change my point that Medb is very useable and, with work, can be a good unit. She'll never be top tier (unless they boost her attack amongst other things) but she can be good. As of now, she's just ok.
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>>149829485
>what's more it was the magic doping that destroyed Agravain's body and eventually killed him.
Nice meme. I didn't see the other Knights dying from it.
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>>149829497
Right, I forgot.
Maybe add a niche detail instead.
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>>149826948
shin y
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>>149829728

whoops, meant for >>149829250
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>>149829807
What Agravain did was different from the rest. Pay attention.
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>>149829017
It's difficult to tell if King Hassan is a Grand Servant because as he appears in story he is NOT a servant at all, it is the still-living King Hassan of the current age.
It appears he just never died and sleeps in a mausoleum, the other Hassans can go beg his aid in the event of an emergency, but to do so means they must forsake the name of Hassan (i.e. admitting they aren't good enough for it) and he will kill them.
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>>149829527
Neat. Can't wait to max bond my cat.
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>>149829724
thanks lore-anon

to be honest I still don't quite understand the entire concept of singularities. So basically Solomon is a dick who goes to different time periods and dumps a grail there for the lulz to start a HGW and we have to travel around to 'correct' the timeline?
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>>149829280
Arjuna wiped out 27 demon pillars and only died because he restricted Pashupata so it wouldn't kill absolutely everyone else there, and he's able to match Karna for a while. Karna was the only Servant so dangerous that Cu Alter felt he needed to backstab him rather than just crush him like he did to everyone else, and if Karna had seen Cu Alter he would have killed him with Vasavi. On top of that, they're casual plateau-busters with regular attacks. Scathach is good, but she doesn't even come close to the currybros.
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>>149829527
>And that’s why I’m holding onto it. I won’t give it to you.
>......You don’t need it, anyway. Isn’t that right?

Hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng
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>>149829485
Stop making shit up. Agravain even has a slashed torso and is a fountain of blood to prove it was Lancelot the one who inflicted the wounds, not the doping.

What a fucking coincidence that you want to say Agravain is the only one who got after effects from the doping
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Karna is for ____ !
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>>149829724
>If King Hassan was datamined as a Saber and he's supposedly a Grand Servant then Grand Saber Arturia is a lie?
>we don't know

>grand saber hassan reveals himself to be arturia in her final form

make it happen nasu
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>>149829527
>......You don’t need it, anyway. Isn’t that right?
Guda X Atalanta confirmed canon?

Also it's nice to see that Scathach actually does care about Guda and that she has high expectations for them being reinforced even though we already sort've knew that from Valentines and her interlude.
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>>149829314

Not him, but i have Ibaraki too, feel free to add me 793,614,128
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>>149830015
thats pretty fucking badass desu

>>149830038
Didn't backstabbed Karna almost burn Cu Alter to death with a weakened Vasavi Shakti as well
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>>149829807
Magic doping is not grail boost
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>>149830015
>Still living King Hassan
shouldn't he be dead anyway because Solomon killed all of human history?
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>>149830038
Destructive power is distinct from other things that can make a servant good or great at fighting. You can't just tally up what can be destroyed and call it their victory from there.
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>>149829539
Fionn is pretty broken though. Drinking water from his hands can heal any wound almost instantly. He has all of the worlds knowledge due to eating an implied immortal and is a master of magic thanks to it. Shares the whole sleeping to save his country in its hour of need with Artoria. There's even one story where Cu comes back and Fionn bites off his fucking finger while pretending to be a baby
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>>149830113
Loving.
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>>149830118
STOP BEFORE ITS TOO LATE
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>>149830038
>Backstabbing best boy
If I ever roll him I will fucking burn berserker cu
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>>149829398
People tend to want to know what all the shiny gold cards do.

Also there really aren't that many 5*s outside of Saber, so it'd look kinda silly.
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>>149829690
>Lancelot beat him by surprise last time
Sure thing, whatever helps you sleep at night.
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Will we ever see non asshole Tristan? Whats the deal about his chest? Is he always with his eyes closed because he doesn't give a fuck?
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>>149830281
Singularities are bubbles floating on the surface of time, the people inside them are not destroyed.
They get destroyed after the singularity is resolved, though, which is why every order ends with a farewell.
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>>149830428
You will when you summon him
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>>149830282
That's true, which is why I made a point to note that Arjuna could keep up with Karna for a while, and we already know that Karna is one of, if not the best spearman in the franchise.
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>>149830345
nasu: what? you didn't ACTUALLY think the strongest saber was someone other than king arthur, right?
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>>149830281
That should also be a clue that he's something beyond a normal servant if he somehow avoided getting killed when other immortals like Scathach did.
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>>149830038
>She doesn't even come close to the currybros
Cu Alter felt the need to deal with it himself rather than telling Arjuna to mop her up, she's probably at least close to that level. You make it sound like she isn't even in their ballpark which is bullshit.
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>>149830428
He opens his eyes to fire his NP only
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Will Grail-backed EMIYA Alter be able to do that?
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>>149829740
>If you're lucky enough to have both you should be running both against Caster enemies
Against non-boss enemies, AoE Riders like Drake or Santa Alter would do better. Against bosses, especially raid bosses where you're more or less forced to run 5 5-star CEs, running two 5-stars of your own isn't easy due to cost restrictions. It might be more doable once we start hitting 130, but until then it's definitely better to pick ONE of the two to focus on, and between the two we both agree that the obvious answer is Ozzy my a country mile.
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>>149830038
>and if Karna had seen Cu Alter he would have killed him with Vasavi.
Nice headcanon but that's never stated. Rama is said to be around the level of Karna by the end of America and he needed help to beat Cu Alter
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>>149830485
Oh the one we summon is nice? Good to know, thanks
>>149830576
So when he starts giving fucks
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>>149830603
Emiya Alter just being a normal alter would be a huge letdown
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>>149830067

Agravain doped himself up on a scale way beyond the mook knights. His body is completely destroyed. The wounds he received from Lancelot pale in comparison to the internal damage he suffered from forcing his body to a level it shouldn't have ever been acting at.
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>>149827060
Can you zip the servants icon, upload it somewhere and link them here?
Would really appreciate it,
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>>149830282
well it demonstrates that Pashuputa is a top tier AOE NP near unmatched in destructive power (A single Demon Pillar is supposed to be far stronger than your average servant)

And again Arjuna was able to keep up with Karna for an extended period of time and Karna is well established as one of the top martial fighters amongst Servants as well as having raw power to his blows that makes Berserkers blush.
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>>149830118
>King Hassan is the original Grand Saber but step off from the position because fuck rules and shit.
>Arturia is choosen as 2nd hand replacement just for the sake of filling the spot
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>>149830540
That's like saying Drake is a Grand because she's alive in her order.
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>>149830603
I hope that Emiya Alter is a Saber.
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>>149829527
>Night before the final battle doujin where Cu and Guda (Either gender) farewell fuck Scathach together never
END IT
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>>149830603
Lets hope not everyone is sick of powerlevel garbage.
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>>149830210
He did. There's a reason Karna was literally the only Servant that Cu Alter was actually afraid of fighting one on one.

>>149830553
Scathach is his teacher that he has a great personal connection to, as well as someone he has to beat to prove he's the strongest, which is something he's almost obsessed with doing in the Order. Saying that he felt the need to do it himself is far more likely to be for personal reasons than thinking Arjuna couldn't handle her. She just doesn't match up to them when you take their NPs into account, anon.
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>>149830341
Correct!

Now, next one


I want to _____ Karna!
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>>149830697
Literally in the OP
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>>149830416
4* tier list is a mess because there are welfares like Shiki and Kintoki that outperforms most of them barring class advantage and niches like d'Eon that can taunt.
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>>149830603
>use Emiya Alter's NP
>he says I don't need a swordbeam
>rides a fucking wave of blades into the enemy and then finishes them off with triple linked crane
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>>149826092
If you saved that one, I have some other Gozen images from earlier I cropped.
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>>149830036
Something like that, apparently the first 6 were for shits and giggles, but the 7th one is the real deal
Holmes(Nasu) had shed a lot of light on why Solomon is doing what he's doing but it's all deduction. I'm hoping someone else can translate all of Holmes's dialogue but here's what I can remember based on what I've read.

Solomon is a mirror. His personality reflects the person he is talking to. If he is talking to an idiot, he will talk to that person as an idiot. If that person is an intellectual, he will respond as an intellectual. He has no core personality of his own, and how this relates to anything I don't know.

Holmes mentions that the fuckery in our timeline is equivalent to an assignment on a desk. Solomon has already finished the assignment on this desk and moved onto another desk, and because it is completed, he is not bothering to check in on us, or rather he is too busy with his next assignment. Holmes is worried about what that next assignment is. Holmes also states that because Chaldea exists outside of time, Solomon isn't prepared for outsiders to meddle with his finished assignment, and Holmes states that if we manage to mess up the assignment Solomon has finished, then he might come back to stop us personally.
Holmes was also the one who organized the documents in London for Andersen to analyze and says that he has been following us for a long time (I have no idea how)
Lastly Holmes mentions that why did Solomon choose the year 2016 to start erasing all of humanity? He's been around for 1000BC so why did he wait for 3000 years to erase humanity off the map? Holmes speculates that there was some reason that he had to wait that long. Holmes comments that since Solomon also has future sight and Solomon mentioning that he saw no future for humanity past 2016, Guda guesses it's because no future exists period. Something happened in 2016 that Solomon couldn't see and he had to do all this time fuckery to fix everything.
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>>149830770
princess carry
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>>149830763
Scathach's spear has killed Gods though, I'm not saying the curries are weak but it's not like she's some shitter

If you list off the top 10 servants power-level wise in the game so far she's probably top 7 minimum
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>>149830719
>AOE NP that managed to mop 27 demon pillars
>is anti-unit
explain this
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>>149830553
Damnit I love that picture of Siggy so much.
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>>149830210
He did. There's a reason Karna was literally the only Servant that Cu Alter was actually afraid of fighting one on one.

>>149830553
Scathach is his teacher that he has a great personal connection to, as well as someone he has to beat to prove he's the strongest, which is something he's almost obsessed with doing in the Order. Saying that he felt the need to do it himself is far more likely to be for personal reasons than thinking Arjuna couldn't handle her. She just doesn't match up to them when you take their NPs into account, anon.

>>149830626
Rama doesn't have anything as lethal as Vasavi, and Karna dropped everything and tried to kill Cu Alter as soon as possible when he finally appeared. Karna doesn't fuck around when he needs to kill someone, as shown when he tried to nuke Jeanne immediately after meeting her.
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Assuming emiya alter is the villain of Babylon how and why the fuck would he be there causing chaos?
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>>149830771
Thanks anon I don't open megapastebin that often.
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>curry wanking again
Stop pls, wank George he deserves it
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>>149830863
Bless you anon
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>>149831008
"Fuck Gilgamesh."
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>>149830674
The wounds he receivee from Lancelot are the ones he has. Or did his eye also explode now from the doping? You can't make this shit up
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>>149831008
Summoned by Ishtar clearly
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>>149830327
Doesn't matter, Cu is -THE- irish hero. He's the big guy in the cycle which directly proceeds the gods.

Fionn is just a king in comparison. Unionists and Nationalists alike consider Cu to be the big daddy. No one gives a shit about Fionn and the tales that started spreading when Christianity started to kick in. (because now it's far enough in the past that it's not really a pagan belief but a national thing)
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Is Ibaraki still in the gacha?

I'm trying to mark all the limited servants, and she's the only one I'm not entirely sure about. Cirno doesn't say anything about her either.
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>>149831008
I'd rather see him as a joke villain in an event similar to Jeanne Alter's.
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>>149830981
>scared

wouldn't he ENJOY the idea of fighting karna since he's a fight junkie in alter form?
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>>149830770
be good friends with
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they could atleast bring miyano onto the FGO stream seeing he's bedivere
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>>149830981
He already beat Karna who was better than Arjuna though, if Arjuna beat Scathach then he'd be stronger than Scathach by relation.
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>>149831129
>limited 4*s
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>>149831008
I doubt he's the main villain. I'd love it if he was summoned using the grail by Sakura and Rin as a bad guy but says fuck this shit and joins you as the main helper.
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>>149831091
>Fionn is just a king
What?
He served a king,he is the leader of Fianna knights.
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>>149831183
Powerlevels aren't linear.
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She might not be single-target, but I'd still say Raikou is the best 5-star zerker since she can use crits to NP spam.
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>>149831008
>>149831087
This is my guess. Problem is he gets corrupted by the grail and goes against everything
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>>149828364

It would be bloody and not guaranteed against Scathach but most Servants would struggle to not get rushed down by pic related.

Great stats, good skills (Star Emblem lore-wise seems to be a general damage boost with the added boost of what Arturia's Instinct does), talented fighter, and strong NP.

That said Scathach counters divinity, and her NP is a Gae Bolg. It would be entertaining and I would buy tickets.
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>>149830892
Does he actually mention Zepia Eltnam or was that just shitposting
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>>149830926
She's not some shitter, but the Gods she killed weren't the same level as the Gods that were around when the curries were. There's a reason her God Killer skill is only at B-Rank, we know that Amaterasu is stupidly powerful and the Hindu gods would be even more so, given the number of worshippers and the age of them. Saying that she doesn't come close to the curries isn't calling her a shitter, it's just saying she doesn't reach the tier for retardedly strong Servants like Karna, Ozzy, Gil etc.
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>>149831256
The welfare servants say hi.

But yeah, good point.
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>>149831008
>counter guardian made to protect humanity

Consider the inverse, considering how retarded Nasu is all humanity probably started out in Babylon (even though you know, 2 major civilizations existed sooner and both dwarfed it in size, but that's a rage for another time) so an inverse of EMIYA's counter guardian nature would be he's looking to wipe out humanity in the most efficient way possible, cut it off at the root, Babylon.
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>>149831256
Technically event Welfares are limited 4*s
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Violet seems stoic on the outside, but she's actually a bit goofy on the inside in an odd way. I forget if Medusa was much the same, or if its slightly different.
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>>149831326
Well Scathach treats Altera like a bigger threat than Orion so that's something
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>>149830981
>Rama doesn't have anything as lethal as Vasavi
He is directly stated to be as strong as Karna. Stop trying to force your shitty headcanon.

>than thinking Arjuna couldn't handle her
He literally said Arjuna couldn't. And Arjuna was his bitch the entire time.
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>>149831362
>>149831401
They are not in gacha summoning pool,so its not really counted
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>>149830892
What's super special about the 7th one? I heard something about because it's so far back in the past (the first order where Solomon would have to go back before his own time) and Solomon would be using a special grail for it?

>>149831183
he backstabbed Karna with Gae Bulge when Karna was focused on dueling Arjuna.

>>149830926
What is the top 10 in F/GO lorewise sofar?

Obviously there's an insurmountable wall between Solomon and the rest so far

Gil (not counting Enkidu yet since he hasn't appeared)
Lancer Arturia
Ozy
Cu Alter
Curry Bros
Scath
Raikou?

I'm curious as to how strong Alcides would be in GO, he's ridiculous in F/SF due to Nemean Lion (If its 'reject all humanity's creations' clause is true then it's even more broken than God Hand, only divine constructs would be able to hurt him)
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>>149831054

You can't be this retarded.

Eye wound, gash on chest = Lancelot damage

Broken limbs and shattered innards = doping damage
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>>149831291
>fianna knights
Knights isn't quite the right word. They served a king, but they we're more a hunting group of companions who answered the king's call occasionally.
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>>149831326
>>149831457
Bigger threat than Artemis* excuse me
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>>149831291
I'm saying that the sheer difference in terms of what Irish people would tell you about them is like comparing Jesus to a French king in terms of Catholicism. Yes the pope declared that the king of France was the most catholic king, but he's not even a shadow of Jesus.

Also you brought up random folk tales which aren't exactly core parts of the mythology.
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>>149831525
You forgot Bryn there m8
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>>149831525
>Gil
>top
He lost to a kid and in Zero Order he had less than 3 lines. He is not top at all.
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Post the limited servant that you're most proud to own.
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>>149831390
>considering how retarded Nasu is all humanity probably started out in Babylon
Human civilization basically started in Catalhoyuk in Type-Moon, according to CCC.
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>>149831139
A fight with Karna wouldn't actually be a fight. Karna would see him and I.mediately use Vasavi because that's how he deals with people he absolutely has to kill, he just unloads his most powerful attacks on them. The fact that Cu thought it was necessary to take Karna out in a way that exposed him to as little danger of being targeted by Karna as possible rather than let Karna finish Arjuna and fight him properly should speak for itself, especially since you're right and he is a fight junkie in that form.
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>>149831136
>Arthuria Alter
>Jeanne alter
>Medea lily
>Tesla
>Cu alter
>Arthuria Lancer
Pattern seems to say the next one is another alter enemy and emiya is the last one. My guess is he was summoned by parvati or ishtar but gets corrupted by the grail during the summoning and just goes apeshit on everything.
>Gil/Enkidu faction
>Diety faction
>Fuck everything faction with alter emiya
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>>149831725
>CCC
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>>149831183
First of all, power levels aren't linear, and he only beat Karna by stabbing him in the back while he was distracted, not exactly proving that he's stronger than Karna. Secondly, that would be far too impersonal, given how important Scathach is to Cu.
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>>149831648
I thought it was implied in Zero Order he got surprise ganked by Caster, Lancelot and Arturia all at once because Waver knew how much of a threat he would be if left unchecked

And the latest Prisma Illya chapter shows that if Gil went serious against UBW he'd still come out on top
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>>149831525
Altera is probably stronger than Raikou I want to say, Scathach's introduction event made her seem like some abomination whose entire existence is dangerous and Fergus basically just gets treated as a sacrifice to buy time while you run away from her.

>>149831693
My shishou, servant I'm most proud to own in general.
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>>149831745
You and your patterns and predictions are wrong every time. Save yourself the embarrassment and shut up.
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I love you gilgamesh!
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>>149831790
Thanks
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>>149831745
I think Emiya Alter is probably friendly. I can see Medusa Demon being the real villain teamed up with Sakura.
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>>149832001
Name one time where a prediction in this based off patterns and statistics was wrong
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>>149831725
It said the oldest divine spirit was from there at least, I forget if it was said humanity sprang from there assuredly.

After doing some research into art history and finding out about the fertility diety and carved figures of Catalhoyuk I kind of get the idea that Nasu was going for with the mother goddess being from there, but I think there is older historical stuff in existence that points to deities.

Although I guess he also picked this place as the origin since the fertile crescent area is said to be the dawn of all civilization and humanity, as the slowly spread outward. Also because Catalhoyuk does have some odd history.
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>>149832015
But does he love you too?
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>>149831482
It's not headcanon, Vasavi is more lethal than anything Rama has. They might be around equal strength, but Karna's NPs are a step above Rama's.

And that's entirely Cu's opinion, of course he's going to think that the woman who trained him is better than this random curry he picked up. Arjuna is subordinate to Cu because it means he gets to fight Karna, as soon as Karna's dead he switches sides.
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>>149831643
how strong is Bryn? I don't remember her being particularly overpowering in any storyline, heck all I remember is her being lesbian for Jeanne Alter.

>>149831959
fair enough, I was considering Altera as well. Though Raikou is pretty strong given she offscreen killed Shuten and Ibaraki and is Kintoki's boss.

I'm pretty hopeful that Genghis Khan turns up as a Grand Rider in the future, he deserves that title.
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>>149831525
>What is the top 10

In Order
1. Lancer Arturia
2. Cu Alter
3. Nursery Rhyme
4. Ozzymandias
5. LoD Vlad
6. 3+ Tails Tamamo
7. Karna
8. Saber Alter
9. Scathach
10. Altera
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>>149832126
Literally Karna tier or higher, she only lost in fragments because mad
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>>149832072
Divine spirits are crafted by human will, so that means Catalhoyuk is the first gathering of human will that managed to affect the world.
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>>149831594

Come November we'll actually know what the hell she is.

She was put in GO to tease her/introduce her for Extella so we'll see where that goes.

They're already hinting Photon Ray isn't her true NP, plus with all the alien hints i'm guessing she or her race had something to do with the Moon Cell and she was dropped on Earth to that end. And if she can make Jeanne, Iskandar, and fucking GIlgamesh join her there is some fuckery afoot.

Anyway yeah. If it's not a Servant with strong defensive abilities they'll probably get worn down or killed once an error is made.
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>>149832020
Once this shit starts getting translations, Gozen should take off a bit more. Since it feels like half the plot is about her so far as the main rival. Feels like she's given the most history or interaction at the moment.

http://imgur.com/a/tFVyg

Although Violet is starting to get some characterization as well, along with Shinji oddly.
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>>149832126
I really want a Genghis servant and I want him to be good and really wanked, but I can't think of a good np for him that isn't just a sinister IH knockoff
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>>149831886
>I thought it was implied in Zero Order he got surprise ganked by Caster, Lancelot and Arturia all at once
Wrong. He same them coming and was pissed off even. He got his ass kicked by Mashu, Deermud, Lancelot and Waver. Literally no one was even wounded.
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>>149831693
Every once in a while there's a tough fight or a grind quest against someone like Saber Arturia or Mordred, and I get to see all the FP she rakes in every time I log in.
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>>149832360
>NP is just a more forceful version of medbs rape NP
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>>149831525
>If its 'reject all humanity's creations' clause is true then it's even more broken than God Hand, only divine constructs would be able to hurt him
God Hand still has the advantage that even if you manage to kill him once it will make him completely immune to the weapon used. Anyone capable of killing him 12 times with different weapons will surely have access to some divine weapon too. We also don't know if he can use the pelt as the same time as another NP so that could also be another advantage with God Hand as he can attack the opponent without having to worry about defense as GH is a passive NP.
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>>149832126
Below Karna tier, she can use runes to buff herself up to Karna tier.
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>>149832293
Manga chapters started getting dumped some weeks ago but stopped.

Hope it gets picked up more
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>>149831693
She is the best and with a single roll
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>>149832427
What makes her good against those two? Wouldn't one of the 5* archers be better?
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So Da Vinci died? She can be resummoned later, but what the fuck?
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>>149832126
>>149832360
>Another famous Japanese theory of Yoshitsune's whereabouts after evading death comes from the idea that Yoshitsune made his way past Hokkaido by sailing to the mainland continent of Asia and became Genghis Khan
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>>149832102
>They might be around equal strength, but Karna's NPs are a step above Rama's.
They are equal in power, period. Don't start the UBW is a better GoB shit tier arguments again.

>And that's entirely Cu's opinion,
That's the opinion of the one who made Arjuna his bitch, yes.
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>>149831330
yes, the place with all the answers is a displaced Atlas HQ from the year 2015
The last noted Head of Atlas is Zepia Eltnam and the successor is not noted in any form

>>149831525
The 7th one as explained to us by Lion King is basically: Solomon said he would come see us in person after the 7th one, this doesn't mean after we collect all 7 but that the 7th one is only one that matters because it's the only one Solomon himself placed in that timeline. It is also as you said, the only grail that exists in a time before Solomon himself did. I'm assuming Solomon has some dumb bullshit reasons for placing it there which we will find out after chapter 7, but for now we don't have anything to go by.
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>>149832086
Yap
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>>149832510
If we're using runes to justify power levels can't we talk about how Scathach's runes are probably more powerful that Cu's whose runes buff him into the "Maybe he has a slim chance of killing Herc" tier?

Or that she can actually summon other heroic spirits to help?
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Should DW put all the limited and non limited 5* into the FP gatcha but at the chance of 0.00001%?
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Nobu a CUTE.
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when ?
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>>149832576
Anti-Saberface effect on NP and anti-Saber-class effect on her third skill.
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>>149832246
Yeah, but this only means assuredly if we take it as fact that the first generation of humans are the ones that created the first god. Potentially cavemen could have been too stupid before that point to create such a thing. Arguably the first god must also go hand in hand with the first "story", once they reached the point when they can communicate with each other and create ideas, create fiction or concepts.

Of course what I'm saying isn't something highly with basis, but I'm just saying it as something to consider at most.

The first gathering of human will, meaning the first grouping of humans that came together as a civilization. Not necessarily the first humans in itself.
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>>149832695
Proto Mordred a weird
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>>149832570
She's too squishy for my tastes.
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>>149832031
>I can see Medusa Demon being the real villain teamed up with Sakura.
Medusa will likely be a part of Tiamat's team of monsters.
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>>149832647
Headcanon?
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>>149832576
It's the Saberface+anti-saber modifier.
And her skills are pretty good outside of that, with an AOE stun, and the third skill also buffing her stargen.
She's not Jack but she's more than serviceable.
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>>149832126
>how strong is Bryn?
She can get pretty dangerous depending on some circumstances, and she's easily one of the stronger Lancers we've seen to date, but generally speaking she's just not gonna make a top 10 list of powerlevels.
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>>149832696
Oh. I thought that anon meant shuten as opposed to fake seiba
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>>149832548
Yeah, I've been trying to help them with it on occasion, but there's not much that can be done at the moment since the main translator quit. Someone is trying to find a new guy for now, but there's not much progress yet its assumed.
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>>149832669

Fun fact: in Cu's Rune Magecraft skill description, it states he can use the 18 original runes.

Guess what primordial means.
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So how strong is doped Agravain then? Gawain with Numeral failed to do shit against Lancelot yet this guy manages to kill him. Did he become as strong as LoD Vlad? Stronger than that?
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>>149832669
This whole meme shit needs to end, Cu bested her rival when he was a teenager, there is no reason why she would be better than him other than Nasu being "It's got tits, must be stronger"
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>>149827060
Is this really being made to look exactly like the GBF tier list
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>>149832697
Well, it was a good 3000 years before Babylon anyway.
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>>149827060
What's the point of the raids tab when they change every event that has had them?
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why did this happen
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>>149832901
>there is no reason why she would be better than him other than Nasu being "It's got tits, must be stronger"
There's the fact that she's been alive since then, meaning she's had the opportunity to keep getting stronger.
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>>149832510
I wonder if Sigurd will be able to do the same thing. He's a lot stronger than Bryn so he'll be absolutely top tier if that's the case.
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>>149832604
This isn't a case of arguing two similar things, this is a case of arguing that Karna's eyelaser and Vasavi are the exact same level of power, because Rama's NP that he uses is just Karna's eyelaser in a different form. Vasavi is just straight up stronger than anything Rama has access to as a Saber.

And if Arjuna had actually fought Cu, it would have gone to Arjuna. If he'd killed Cu the singularity would have disappeared, and Karna would have been gone, so Arjuna wouldn't have fought him.
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>>149832901
Cu died and she didn't (Until the events of GO) so she got even stronger, it's not that hard to reason out. Her interlude even explains this
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>>149832934
Its definitely before Babylon. Even Gilgamesh comments that its far beyond his reach.

The only question is if anything was before it.
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>>149832896
Probably around Memeaxe tier
>>149832991
He should be, and I hope the deal about Gram being on par with Excalibur holds true
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>>149832989
By doing what?
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>>149832971
I'm NP 5 for D'Eon, I guess she just really likes me
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>>149832787
Canon, here's proof
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>>149832960
Stuff like Gawain and these new grail bosses follow the same basics, they are more for protracted fights.
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>>149833076
Level-grinding against Dragon-tier enemies in the Land of Shadows.
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>be yesterday
>stuck at family gathering
>just finished up all the free quests in camelot
>bored as fuck
>decide to try my luck at the story gatcha on getting gawain or arturia lancer before they become common
>roll 1 roll
>I'll stop now

next thing I know all of my quartz were gone and I had 1 new mayaa and shinji CE and all of the 3 non alter Cus and literally fucking shit in my inventory

how could this happen, what am I gonna use in her actual rate up?
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>>149832960
It's a way to talk about what characters are good at stalling, basically.

Though it might be a better idea to just cut out the middleman and just change it to Stall.
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>>149833071
>Memeaxe tier
Memeaxe is strong? Since when?
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>>149832603
This is almost as retarded as Koreans claiming they are descended from ancient Mesopotamians.
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>>149832998
>the mentor getting stronger

Yes lets just shit all over the mythology and narrative structure because fuck you we gotta make sure tits always come out on top.
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>>149833093
>she
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>>149833174
Just read his profile, dude is crazy stronk
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>>149833174
Memeaxe can clear hand
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>>149832603
>>149833184
Don't forget the town in Japan that says that Jesus lived there in his 20s and fathered children.
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>>149833126
Your own fault

Should have remember that summer event is coming up
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>>149831693
tfw i like them all equally
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>>149833123
You can't just keep lifting a 5kg weight and eventually lift 500kg.

It's just gibberish because they want to combine sex and power levels to appeal to turbonerds from all directions.
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>>149832197
Ozzy is more of a treat than NR if you ask me.
And 9 tails Tamamo, which will never happen just as 2 tails or more, is the very top.

But having a top is a bit hard anyway. Powelevels aren't linear.
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>>149833227
D'Eon has a female ID in-game, as in anti-male skills won't work on her, so I'm going to refer to D'Eon as a her
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>>149833296
i don't want swimsuit I want lion king and gawain
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>>149832901
>there is no reason why she would be better than him other than Nasu being "It's got tits, must be stronger"

I mean you could just read her event

In the land of shadows for countless eons, she fought all manner of beasts and dragons since she's a battle junkie. Cu failed to kill her in the past, so she went to some demon dimension where hell beasts reside, and just fought them for an untold amount of time.

Cu comments that she's far stronger than she was in life. Scath comments that Cu can still be stronger than her, but he has to retrain himself to reach that point. She wants him to once more get strong enough to be able to kill her. Although when he almost killed her in her story-line, she put everything into blocking it in a way that made Cu question if she really wanted to die. Turns out she's a whimsical bitch who goes "Not yet, its not good enough, do it better" when she decides she hasn't tasted the current era quite enough on a whim.

Berserker Alter Cu was stronger than her, but she didn't want to be killed by that version of him.
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>>149833368
I thought it was tagged as both
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My favorite servant is stronger than your favorite servant because __________
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>>149833368
>D'Eon has a female ID in-game
Cirno says d'Eon doesn't actually count as either gender.
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>>149833126
I did that too but thankfully I came to my senses
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>>149833126
I made the same mistake. At least I got Ozzy and Nitocris with that 80 quartz though.
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>>149833406
>Scath
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>>149832934
>>149833043

It fucks me up that Mesopotamia was roughly as far away from Catalhoyuk age-wise we are from Mesopotamia.

That is some shit. I feel bad for the Nasuverse humans getting picked off by god knows what creatures back then.
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>>149832996
>This isn't a case of arguing two similar things, this is a case of arguing that Karna's eyelaser and Vasavi are the exact same level of power, because Rama's NP that he uses is just Karna's eyelaser in a different form.
Whatever assumption you make is instantly disregarded as the author already said what the powerlevels are. Your assumptions are below the author and the story.

>And if Arjuna had actually fought Cu, it would have gone to Arjuna.
That sure is a nice headcanon. Can you cite your bullshit now? Because that's nowhere implied and Arjuna was scared of betraying Cu Alter even after Karna died, so stop trying to make shit up.
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>>149833424
Conditions.
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>>149833368
>D'Eon has a female ID in-game
no
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Anyone knows who is the 3* welfare of Camelot? Bedevere?
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>>149833424
>My favorite servant is stronger than your favorite servant because
your favorite servant is a piece of paper
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>>149831693
>Only have Scathach as a limited Servant
>And Tesla who's only story locked
Not very proud
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Did Bedivere's myroom lines get any translations yet? Want to know what he says about being on Artoria's party again.
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>>149833641
Bedi.
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>>149827060
A being exceptional in niche situations is a bit retarded.
Just make a S niche-tier or something like that and leave A for exceptional.
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>>149833559
Well according to nasu's backwards logic just about everyone back then would have been the fucking incredible hulk. I'd be more worried about the beasts.
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>>149833424
KoH and Arondight is above world level. Even "the strongest noble phantasm" Ea can't destroy Arondight, and with it now being canon sword beams can be deflected/blocked we have definitive proof Lancelot > Gilgameme.
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>>149833707
He talks about Mordred too
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>>149832197
I don't get why you put Saber Alter there. She's really not much more or less powerful than regular Saber unless Dark Sakura is involved. In fact if they had masters of the same calibre then Alter might actually be the one to come up short since some of her skill ranks drop.
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>>149833760
I can just imagine some caveman turning a fucking dragon to dust with a punch. ~magical old people powers~
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>>149833343
>Ozzy is more of a treat than NR
NR can rewind time if something goes wrong.

>>149833343
>2 tails
2 tails is weaker than Liz without NPs. She is at 81 powerlevel while Liz is 100 without even counting her NPs. She needs to be 4 to be top 10.
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/fgog/ do you think there is a chance to see "dead" servants in the future. Such as Agravain or the other knights?
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>>149833559
I'm sure there were all sorts of strange phantasmal god beasts rolling around back then. However humans were also pretty tough back then as well surely.

That thing we see Nero pull out as an almost last resort in Tsukihime, that crab-spider thing that Shiki can't identify as some ultimate unknown type of lost beast, I'm sure those things were also crawling around back then.
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>>149833562
Well unless Rama has other nps he is kinda right, the NP he uses in go is the same as what Karna's eyelazers are described to be and Karna also has two things stronger than that. They might be equal on a straight up fight but unless Rama has other things he is hiding Karna has the edge with his NPs. Which is weird since Rama as an avatar of Vishnu should be the highest curry in power we have
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>>149833821
Dragons were also stronger back then

Everything was better in my day

Humans wrestled dragons in outer space as they both shattered stars with their punches.
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>>149833835
Sure, just like we'll see Jason, Sita and Saber Deermud
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>>149833830
>NR can rewind time if something goes wrong.
The temple would stop her from doing so.
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>>149833821
magical old people can kill servants.

>>149833406
You're still just taking the justification they came up with at face value rather than being crtical of it at a meta level.

And for that matter, what fucking insulting bullshit is it for her to have what is apparently a stockpile of Gae Bolgs? there was one, it was given away, that's it, the fucking end.
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>>149832197
Nursery Rhyme? What did she do in F/GO? Vlad wasn't ever presented as a huge threat either in France.

>>149832405
I thought Arturia was in on the gank as well.

>>149832468
God Hand doesn't defend against A rank NPs and if they are strong enough they can shave off multiple lives at once before immunity kicks in. Against the top tier servants present in GO with multiple A rank NPs/attacks he's still gonna get banged up a bit

Nemean Lion's clause basically means only Excalibur, Ea and possibly Rhong/Vasavi Shaki can scratch him. The only alternative for everyone else is to try to beat Herc to death with their fists and given that its fucking Herc of all people (probably THE strongest Servant in physical parameters) they are pretty fucked. Heracles would stomp Gil/Arturias in a melee fight, only Karna is a real challenge.

Not to mention True Archer's fighting style is more effective against other Servants than Berserker's Hulk Smash
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>>149833709
Thanks anon.
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>>149833858
Probably because rama is a Saber rather than Archer
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>>149833729
S is for Always Good, A is for Really Good In Certain Situations.

The implication there is that Servants in A are middling to useless when it isn't their time to shine.
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>Arash body tank A++ NP
>Arash NP cancel A++ NP

Is this guy ranked higher than divine construct?
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>>149833424
>Needing a reason
In here there's nothing after "because".
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>>149833814
Saber Alter defeated Altera in her Interlude. As in the actual Altera, not Shadow Servant. Altera is around the level of Scathach.
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>>149833406
Scathach's interlude was a lot of fun, just Scathach imposing her unrealistic expectations on Cu and Guda about how they have to work together her to give her the perfect death
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>>149833975
He? You think you are tough shit? Back in my day me and dragons would destroy and create thousands of galaxies with each of ours punches and I was considered weak by my waifu
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>curry shitter power wank

absolutely the worst, indians saw other mythos and decided to just make everyone full retard galaxy destroyers BUT ONLY IF THEY WANTED TO.
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>>149833858

Remember that most Servants in GO only have one NP, sometimes not even their strongest, usable in gameplay and we can't make any assumptions about their true power until we get lore appearances of them.

If Rama is said to be even with Karna in terms of strength, then we have to just take Nasu's word for it and assume he has other NPs at his disposal that even the odds, or that Rama is -just that much stronger in terms of base fighting ability- than Karna is.

Also anyone who has read the Ramayana knows that Rama got hit with Vasavi Shakti by Indrajit and survived it.
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>>149828364
My masterful dick.
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>>149833562
Although i doubt it would be a one sided fight Arjuna have more fire power than Rama and Cu got saved by Medb from tanking Brahmastra, the problem with Scathahach vs Cu Alter is that her her main offensive NP can be nullified by Cu.
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>>149834012
Beowulf and Sanzou would fuck him up. Can the pelt defend against magic?
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>>149834112
Curry myths read like one of those supernatural battle light novels
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>>149834012
Different aspects of servants shown in different situations.
Neither NR nor Vlad get to show off properly in GO. Read their abilities and NPs in general to see the treat they can represent.
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>>149834012
Nursery Rhyme's RM is capable of some grade A bullshit which would erase the existence of most Servants if they weren't informed about its effects
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>>149833858
>Well unless Rama has other nps he is kinda right
>he
Stop trying to samefag. You are not right because of the simple fact that Nasu says you aren't. Simple as that.
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>>149833996
She has to enter the temple first. Then again, everyone else has to enter her RM for it to be a threat.
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>>149834112
>indian myth is older than most
>this retard thinks indians copied other mythologies
JUST
U
S
T

I bet you also think Gilcuck is the strongest servent and Herkek > Lancelot
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>>149833204
The mythology itself is untouched. You just seem irrationally butthurt and looking for reasons to be angry.
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>>149834254

"rejects human civilization"

We don't know how magic affects the pelt, but he's got A rank magic resistance anyways so it's a moot point
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>>149834112
India basically invented anime millennia ago
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>>149834314
>older than MOST
>retard thinks indians copied others

uhhhhhhhhhh ok?
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>>149834036
>A can be better than S in some situations
I guess this is fitting for Nasuverse where B++ > A
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>>149828081
Jeez Kintoki has the harem. Wish there were servant that gives fuck about the master who summon them.
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>>149834135
I thought Saber Rama is nerfed? and only full power Rama is on par with Karna?
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>>149834112
Indians came first, you know.
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Who would be the best people to use against gawains fuckery? I assume a team of tesla/emiya/orion support/medea lily/casko would do it?
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>>149834406
Both Shuten and Raikou want their master's D.
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>>149834036
>A are middling to useless
Which would make A actually worst than B in certain situations.

Lets use Euryale for example. She is better than even 5* against males, absolutely broken against saber males even, but she is damn useless in any other situation. For her it should be better to be in a niche-tier than A implying she is better than B.
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>>149834374
And here you see the reading comprehension level of your average Gilgamemer, everyone.
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>>149834012
>Nemean Lion's clause basically means only Excalibur, Ea and possibly Rhong/Vasavi Shaki can scratch him.

That's not how it works most likely; Nemian pelt blocked all sorts of greater phantasms than itself surely, its not a game of power but of concept in this case. Shirou and a few other servants have said that Gil's phantasms are called top class enough to make all other phantasms look weak, the nameless originals, so beating them with greater quality/rank won't work.

Something like "It can't be effected by projectiles or piercing attacks" is probably how Nemian pelt beat all manner of phantasms launched against it, yet still lost against an Amazon running up and punching him. It negates all manner of a certain type of outside damage, but it could not negate the punch.

Conceptual protection shits on rank value, which is why it can protect against even greater things than itself if they fulfill a condition, but would lose to a normal something else.
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>>149834374
Don't reply to the obvious shitposter
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>>149834259
Considering the text Karna is from is described as "chaotic and unstructured" yeah basically.

>>149834316
There is a difference between "based on mythology" and "took some names and then did whatever with them" If you want to do the latter then fine, just end the pretence of caring. Which is odd considering that in some cases they -do- clearly respect the mythology far more than other places.
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>>149834012
>I thought Arturia was in on the gank as well.
Arturia and Iskander just watched Gilgamesh get his ass kicked. They weren't involved.

>Nemean Lion's clause basically means only Excalibur, Ea and possibly Rhong/Vasavi Shaki can scratch him.
You forgot Arondight Overload, Dendera and Pashupata.
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>>149834490
but I want to fuck Kintoki.
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>>149834478
Double Waver + Euryale or Waver+Tamamo+Euryale
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>>149834530
I don't know why he thinks I like gil, I just fucking hate the retarded indian mythology.
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Is Ozzybro here?
I have a fresh Waver + Ozzy account in you case you didn't get him.
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>>149834528

No you moron, that's literally what Gil said after figuring out how it works. Only divine constructs, not made by humans, can pierce the Nemean Lion pelt because it has the concept of rejecting all 'human civilization'. That's why he pulled out Merodach, a divine construct, but didn't get the chance to use it before the fight was interrupted.
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JUST.
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>>149834528
It is a conceptual defense against "all weapons of human origin". Spears, slings, swords, and clubs fail to harm the Nemean Lion which rejects humanity. It's closer to the conceptual spaces in Mahoyo; it's not a matter of rank, it just doesn't even acknowledge those weapons exist and so they can't affect it at all.
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>>149834704
I don't even have 1 Waver and Euryale is isn't leveled nor does she have a max NP
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>>149834478
>already farmed 24 chains before fighting Gawain
How? The free quest there which is the first location to farm it isn't even unlocked till you visit there again later.
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>>149834478
Your 80/90 are triggering me
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>>149834409
How was he nerfed,he choose Saber class on his own because he wanted to since its the class with the greatest stats of all.
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>>149834105
is her interlude translated anywhere?
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>>149834718
>Shitposter using logic and not just shitposting for the hell of it

Cmon anon
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>>149834006
Scathach's Gae Bolgs are inferior replicas, this was also already explained
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>>149834718
It doesn't matter what you say, he'll connect you to something someone else said and try to drag you into every argument ever over and over.
Don't reply. Don't engage. Filter if you lack the self control.

No I am not talking about Gilfags, Melvin. Chill out.
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>>149834530
>has no argument
>d-d-dont reply
Fuck off, cuck.
>>149834718
I never said you had to like gil, retard, just that you display the typical mental handicaps you're average gilgamemer shows. Also, you're the retarded one here.
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>>149834567
>They weren't involved.
That was when they were drinking wine, no?
I think they ended pissed off at the team
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>>149834287
Jabberwocky was first seen outside the RM so that's not completely true. She is just more of a treat inside her RM.
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>>149834528
The Nemian Pelt blocks all damage from man-made weaponry (source: the legend itself). What is the Gate of Babylon filled with exactly?

Herk had to use the Nemian Lion's own claw to cut and retrieve the pelt.
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>>149834006
There was one perfected weapon that became known as Gae Bolg, Scat just has the prototypes she made before finalizing the design.
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>>149834368
Curries like dem powerlevels quite fiercely.
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Threadly reminder to report and ignore the obvious shitposter
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>>149834112
None of the heroes are galaxy destroyer that's just retards memeing because they haven't read Mahabharata.
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>>149834852
Yes

http://princemarxfucker.tumblr.com/post/142398923768/scathach-interlude-1-kill-me-if-you-can
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>>149834820
I grinded the magma pits. Managed to get a drop every other run and it was definitely unlocked
>>149834828
Is it even worth leveling them past 80? The stat gains seem small for all the grinding needed to get them there
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Does the Horseshoes free quest in Camelot have a better drop rate than the old ones?
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>>149834793
That's interesting I suppose

>>149834958
I thought he choked it to death since weapons wouldn't work, but I do admit its been ages and I'm most likely mistaken.
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>>149834863
>i'm not talking about gilfags
well you must be, because what you described is exactly what gilfags are. I use logic and reason in my arguments, with well cited arguments that link back to official, connon materials. What do you cucks do? Oh right, nothing, because you don't have an argument. BTFO once agin.
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Whover has Gil at lvl 90 as support, thanks. I borrowed a lot of them to complete Camelot.
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>>149835136
>connon
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>>149834958
I wonder what would happen if Shirou or Archer used a projected copy of a weapon not made by a human.
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>>149835117
>I thought he choked it to death since weapons wouldn't work
He did and after killing it he skinned it with its own claw.
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>>149835136
>conon material

What did he meant by this
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>>149834851
He's an Archer and Brahmastra was originally an arrow.
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>>149834551
The way this works is perfectly explained in the actual story and it makes perfect sense. You can whine about "being critical of it at the meta level" all you want, but when you go and call it "insulting", you make it obvious that you're simply irrationally angry about this.

Like calling it "insulting" that Scathach has the prototypes of the spear. Why wouldn't she? The spear's story traces back to her. It's not clear whether she made it or not in mythology, but there's no mention of any other forger. There was a giant monster, someone made the spear, and the first known person to have it is her before she handed it over. If she made it, which is a perfectly logical leap of reasoning, it'd make perfect sense to have prior attempts. It's not like there was a lack of material considering they're made from a massive sea monster. You're only pissed off about this because you want to be pissed off about this.
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>>149835050
I want to fuck Orin.
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>>149835067
Woops, mixed chains up with the knights badge.
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>>149834112
I get the feeling that it has more to do with the nature of Hinduism than "fuck those ass holes in Egypt and their bird god"
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>>149835193
That should bypass it.
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>>149835253
>what did he meant
If you're going to criticise my english, shitskin, at least make sure your own is up to scratch.
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>>149835136
>I use logic and reason in my arguments
Ok, enough falseflagging. I don't use that shit. I use Materials and Novels. Materials don't need logic as they are clear as fuck.

Logic = Headcanon
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>>149835050
Which one?

>>149835210
That's probably where my confusion stemmed from. Since I was wondering how this was like the legend anymore, unless Heracles arms just counted as divine weapons, or maybe just anything that isn't a man-made weapon would work here meaning any fist would work. Although fists are still pretty man-made.

Overthinking it a bit
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>>149835193
Can he do that? He already struggles with Ea.
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>>149835253
>>149835164
>>149835390
>Responding to an obvious shitposter
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>>149835368
>Taking memes seriously again
You eated the whole post hook line and sinker.
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>>149835402
Well, choking really isn't damaging anybody.
The reason you die from choking is because you need oxygen to live, and choking denies that.
Also grasping limbs were not invented by humans, monkeys had them for quite awhile.
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>>149835281
Because something is a travesty does not make it "wanting to be pissed off"

It's very clear what they wanted to do, lampoon of a popular character in such a way that they can make an appealing character that can pander to multiple demographics simultaneously and in doing so damaged their own integrity.

It's not that I want to be angry, it's that I do actually care and seeing them, effectively, sell themselves out is frustrating and if everyone else was more critical the franchise would be better off overall.
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>>149835431
Dainsleif was supposedly forged by dwarves, and I'm pretty sure Shirou is capable of copying it since it was something in GoB other than Ea.
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>>149835063
>We have a long road ahead of us. Looks like even a first class master can’t escape that woman’s selfishness, eh, [Name]?
Cu is such a bro
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Praise the sun.
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>>149835447
>j-joke I s-swear
Not even the falseflagger but holy shit this is funny.

BUILD WALL
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>>149833424
he's cute
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All of the characters icons are on the spreadsheet now. I also changed the Raid column to Stall, as suggested.

Any other changes people want to see?
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>>149835647
>Ozzy being portrayed as superior to either of them
OOC shit
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>>149835193

Copies Shirou makes are manmade because he makes them; he goes through the full process of reproducing every weapon he traces from the bottom up, personally crafting it in his inner world.

He is also incapable of properly recreating divine constructs because they're made from materials that Unlimited Blade Works doesn't have access to; he can replace the missing materials with the next best thing that is natural to Earth, but it will be greatly ranked down and possess zero divinity regardless and still be manmade because he made it.

But let's say for a moment that EMIYA can trace something that wouldn't be seen as manmade or that can otherwise penetrate the lion pelt, for the sake of argument.

Would it do him any good? Alcides has way better stats, has the same rank of Eye of the Mind, way better archery range, his arrows are far more powerful, and Battle Continuation A+.
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>>149834478
Stheno + Double Euryale
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm28474871
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>>149835610
Isn't the problem of Shirou copying Ea something because it's something before the concept of sword even existed and the materials that it's made of are not available in the world currently?
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>>149835647
>Only missing karna
When will he come to me
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>>149831693
Both of them.
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>>149834785
He's actually a great unit.
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>>149835696
>Not even the falseflagger
>Falseflagger
>This pathetic damage control
How does it go?
JUST?
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>>149835709
Din't Tamamo called him aniue?
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>>149834780
This makes me wonder if people count. Gil, Karna & Herk are all partially divine. I wonder if Herk could hypothetically beat himself to death.
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>>149834279
To be fair, the only time we have seen that ability was used in a master. We don't how useful it is against a servant but even then it is still pretty dangerous considering erasing the master from existence is one of the hardest blows you can give to a servant.
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>>149835814
>everyone against me is the same person
Oh look, another retarded gilfag.
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>>149835552
>a travesty

Yes, I am entirely convinced you are looking at this matter through a purely reasonable lens and not actually irrationally butthurt about something the story pulls off perfectly well. Clearly, the maker of the spear having carved several prototype versions is something worthy of being called a "travesty." How could the narrative ever withstand such horrifying crimes?
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>>149835838
He tells her to call him that but we haven't seen her actually do it.
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Is it just me or is there no servant slot for Lancer Arturia in the pokedex?
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>>149835838
No it just Ozzy self proclaimed shit,again.
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>>149835838
No, he was the one who suggested that.
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>>149835912
Are they actually against or are they a falseflagger? At least settle on one thing before you start posting.
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>>149835727
But anon, Shirou is a sword. Do sword-made weapons count?
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>>149835696
>>149835814
>>149835912
>Samefagging this hard
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>>149835947
She's in-game
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>>149835838
>>149835939
She'll be into it. Because she knows being imouto grants bonus moe points.
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>>149835727
Nobody is arguing about if Emiya stands a chance against Herc, it's just a question about how the pelt works.
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>>149835912
Sorry Melvin, the filename on your gif matches all the previous times you've posted it.
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>>149835193
EMIYA can't replicate Divine Constructs. Read the Materials, retard.

Only confirmed Divine Constructs are:
EA
Excalibur
Arondight
Achilles Kosmos
Vasavi Shakti
Ig Alima
Gae Bolg
I think Dendera is mentioned to be God made
Photon Ray is related to Divine Constructs

Yes, even Avalon, Kavacha and Rhon are not confirmed as far as I know, but they should be.
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>>149835193
>>149835359
>Q: What is the limit of replication in UBW? The highest level of NP (sword types) is probably Ea, but while it might be impossible for Shirou, could Archer make it? Also, under the meaning of weapons, to what extent can he make modern weapons? Must it be only blade types or can he make guns and mobile weapons?
>A: Divine constructs like Ea and Excalibur are non-replicable. There might be some degraded NPs with similar performance in stock though. Also, since sword is becoming his origin, the weapons that he has stored are fundamentally limited to close combat.

Non-Earth materials can't be traced by him entirely. He couldn't read Ea at all, and Excalibur has too many liberties taken to be called Excalibur anymore. I think he has to understand the materials in order to grasp the structure, which he can't when its too different.

>>149835526
Feels like some odd logic.
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>>149835914
It's very clearly a false representation.
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>>149835851

Barehands obviously do not count as 'human civilization,' so punches and kicks bypass the pelt's conceptual defense. That's why True Rider was able to punch Alcides through a large hill.
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>>149836041
Probably. She's a very devious person.
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>>149836084
Pashupata.
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>>149835647
>Karna not being the aniki
disgusting
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>>149835912
Oh the irony
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>>149836134
>That's why True Rider was able to punch Alcides through a large hill.

Wasn't it because of the War God's Pelt?
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>>149835431
The problem with Ea and Excalibur is the materials. He can half-ass Excalibur since it's at least from the planet, and it's easier inside the Mooncell explicitly because there are materials there that can't be found in the normal modern world. Ea is entirely alien so he can't even read it.

A lower-ranked weapon should be perfectly doable. Caliburn's origin is never explained, but it has fairy writing and he can do it just fine.
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>>149836084
>Gae Bolg
Is it?
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>>149836084
Avalon was confirmed, it's literally a part of Excalibur.

Shirou could only replicate it because it was part of his soul but Archer lost that ability because he lost the connection. That's why he projects Rho Aias instead. They asked Nasu years ago about why Archer was projecting Aias and not Avalon, this is the reason.
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>>149836084
Didn't Gawain profile in GO said it was made by fairies as well?
I remember something like that a few treads ago.
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>>149836084
>I could copy your holy sword, though it wouldn't be perfect.

-Smug Redman

Ea is special because of it's property of revealing the truth, the rest he can almost certainly approximate reasonably well.

Unless we want to call Emiya a liar but at that point we can just call everyone a liar and then we have nothing to work from.
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>>149836084
>>149836087
That's not really relevant. A Divine Construct or something with alien materials wouldn't be manmade, true, but things that don't fall into EITHER category might still not be manmade. Such as the already-mentioned Dainsleif.
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>>149835707
I don't think "Exceptional in niche situations" really makes sense for Stall.

Unless there's a character who is just fucking immortal against a particular kind of enemy?
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>>149836084
Avalon is a set piece with Excalibur and is most absolutely a divine construct.
Gungnir should reasonably be a divine construct as well.
Merodach is thought to be divine since Gil was pulling it out in response to figuring out the Nemean Lion pelt.

Though Shirou can only trace Avalon with Artoria around and beating Heracles to death with a scabbard would be a hell of a job.
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>>149836204
Let Karna be spoiled for once, anon. He deserves it.
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>>149836084
One thing that always annoyed me is how many weapons that were actually god made in many myths but for some reason in the Nasuverse they are never mentioned as divine constructs. Gram for example was given to Sigmun by Odin so it has a divine origin but it is never classified as such
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>>149836084
>Galatine
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>>149836134
Does this mean that pic related works? I doubt it counts as manmade. If being non-man made is all that's needed, Gil likely has many.
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>>149836020
>>149836069
Sorry, retarded gilgamemers. You're wrong again.
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>>149836084
Gae Bolg isn't a divine construct, Mac an Luin is.
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>>149836214

Goddess of War buffed her to the point of being able to hit him that hard, yes, but human hands predate human civilization.

It may be that she's only able to do it because she has Divinity as a skill, but there's no confirmation either way.
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>>149836282
Those aren't made by fairies. those were made by the planet. Both Excalibur and Arondight directly mention that they are Divine Constructs.
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>>149836395
To be fair, if he did that there wouldn't be much for Gilgamesh to have in his vault considering gods made fucking everything worth having for a while if we listen to mythology.
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Nice luck curryman.
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>>149836448
I mean goddess of war is a divine tool, so it enchanted her with divine power or some shit.
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>>149836460
>Those aren't made by fairies. those were made by the planet.

What do you think fairies are?
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>>149836468
Well Gil does seem to have some divine constructs even if he lacks some like Excalibur and Vasavi
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If I remember right, the Durandal was given as a gift by an angel too.
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>>149836084
Gram is also a divine construct.
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>>149836432

Gil drew Merodach for a reason. It's the sword he uses to test if the opponent is worthy enough to face Ea or not. He was gonna test Alcides and see if he could walk the walk after his shittalking.
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>>149836585
Turns out it was just Hector's spear that somebody made into a sword.
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>>149836585
Would angels be considered divine spirits in the nasuverse? And fuck Durandal looks cool I want Roland just to see what those 3 miracles are, I suppose one must be the not losing it's sharpness thing
>>149836598
It should be, but I don't remember that being confirmed
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>>149836585
Not Divine, Hector couldn't do anything to Achilles until Achilles himself turned off his immortality
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>>149836435
I don't know who you are but there's no reason to fake being me. I know when I get caught and I'll own up to it thank you very much.
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>>149836390
I can't. Not with Ozzy. Give me Tamamo deciding to try be a big sister figure to Karna and I'd love you, but I cannot stand Ozzy.
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>>149836582
Yes but

>my vault is full of the original thing that all your myths are based on

>except it's fucking empty because everything was just handed down to man by gods/angels and they weren't based on anything earthly.
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Is it me or does the Pelt not seem so threatening given how many can seemingly bypass it? I doubt Alcides can take an Excaliblast head on.
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>>149836460
Fairies are part of the planet. Excalibur was explicitly made by fairies as well.
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>>149836424
Not confirmed.

>>149836247
Scathach says yes.

>>149836447
Scathach said it was during her Introduction.

>>149836286
>we have nothing to work from.
Materials, which say EMIYA is a liar and he can't actually do it.
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>>149836697
Actually it was a sword Hector made into a spear because autism and then people took the stick out because it was originally a sword and putting a stick into it is stupid
>>149836763
That's one of Nasu's incosistencies if you ask me
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>>149836767

He has at least 12 more unnamed NPs that we haven't even seen yet. The Pelt is much more limited in scope than Godhand is in terms of defense, but the things it does work against it shuts down com-fucking-pletely to the point of Gil's 360 degree swordspam doing jack and shit to him.
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>>149836697
Apparently it was a sword before it was a spear & then it was turned into a sword. I don't get it.
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>>149836585

Roland will be some shit if he gets his due.

>Durandal, an unbreakable angel/fairy sword
>Has miracles built into the thing
>Blasted a mountain over with it
>(in the legend) held off a 100K+ strong army alone
>Didn't die from wounds from the enemy, but from blowing his horn so hard it killed him
>Was Astolfo's butt buddy


He's an unholy mix of Arturia, Siegfried, and Cu in terms of skills. I hope he doesn't end up as a shit Servant.
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>>149836813
>Materials, which say EMIYA is a liar and he can't actually do it.

If materials start to contradict the mainline stories, I think it's time to start considering that maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't consider it absolute.

I don't get why we can't just talk about things based on how they acted in story, really there's tons of contradictions that show up if you do that but all anyone ever says is "oh it's clearly been retconned"

I just take it like gundam entertainment bibles myself.
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>>149836582
They were too careless with the Gil vs TA fight, for it to entirely make sense. We've seen Gil have some divine tools before, there's a description of a few in F/SN weapons page like Harpe or Danslief I believe, and he even shot crazy shit like Dragons breath at Alcides. They're really saying that everything he shot wasn't divine by chance, or did Alcidies just have really good instinct and blocked the ones that might have worked?

That fight was mostly about driving up the hype, that a mysterious guy can exist who can match even Gilgamesh, so no one is safe in this contest.
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>>149836784
>Excalibur was explicitly made by fairies as well.
Wrong, made by the planet then handed to the fairies. Read the materials.

>>149836767
There are less Divine Constructs than A and up NPs/attacks/magic.

Alcides can counter Excalibur with Goddess of War.
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>>149836813
She said the exact opposite, GB is a spear made from a sea beast and not god made.
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>>149836582

Yeah, Merodach is the prototype of Gram and etc.

Plus he says he might actually have Vasavi's prototype, but because Vasavi Shakti was never used in the legend he can't know for sure.
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>>149836697
>>149836730
Maybe it got reconstructed?
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>>149836901
Yeah, I'm noting that there are various situations where God Hand & all its extra lives & immunities would come useful. Does magic count as man-made? Rin's gems yes but what about Merlin, Medea, etc?
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>>149836730
Did he have Durindana at that time? I thought he flung it at Ajax and it was defeated.
Did Ajax give it back or something?
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Can someone clarify for me the specifics of where this "Divine construct" idea is codified?

Is it Gil, or the narration itself that says that's how it works? Gil can be wrong, and TA even tells him straight up that drawing anything other than Ea won't work.
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>>149836991
He's a degenerate who's into bondage. Roland is tainted unless genderswaps happen
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>It looks like summer is finally here. A swimsuit? Ahh....I think it's a bit too soon for me. But I'd love to show you one day Senpai
No mashu swimsuit confirmed basically
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>>149836991
>Durandal, an unbreakable angel/fairy sword
>Has miracles built into the thing

Nope, see: Hector

>>149837029
How can you reconstruct something that was never destroyed?

>>149837073
I... I'm not sure if this is bait or you're actually this dumb
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>>149837073

Thrown NPs naturally fly back to their wielder because they're miracles or some shit, don't think too hard about it.

And yes, in the Iliad Hector opened up the duel by throwing his spear at Achilles.
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>>149837009
What rank is Goddess of War anyway? I remember someone saying that the stat chart in Strange/Fake claims it's an A-Rank & not A++.
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>>149836697
Its originally sword,rebuild to spear by Hector and gifted back to Charlemagne in sword form magically by angel.Something must happen inbetween.
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>>149837014
I'm pretty sure that it's stated he genuinely doesn't have it, and he only bullshitted about that to save face.
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>>149837010
No, she said HER Gae Bolgs are made from the sea beast bones. Cu's Gae Bolg is a Divine Construct according to her.
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>>149836713
>Would angels be considered divine spirits in the nasuverse?

Probably

>>149836730
Here's a cheap explanation

>Hector loses, angel finds his spear on the ground, finders keepers, breaks off the blade part and turns it into a sword, injects some miracles. and then hands it off to some random king.

Shit doesn't matter in Nasuverse, they can always bullshit something.
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>>149837126
>Aitsu wa when mentioned by astolfo
Roland is definitely a guy
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>>149837073
Just like how Emiya gave back Gae Bolg to Cu, right?

>>149837247
>Here's a cheap explanation
No, it is the exact same as the sword, read his profile and stop with your headcanon
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>>149837118

Gil says it and due to his Clairvoyance NP, he's fairly trustworthy. Remember that he figured out Godhand's schtick almost instantly as well.

Also, TA doesn't necessarily mean that only Ea will beat the pelt, he pulled out Goddess of War when he said that, implying his next attack was going to be something that only Ea could match. Plus TA could just be overconfident, there's no way he knows what all is in Gil's treasury.
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I just remembered, it's been said that

Q: Is Berserker's "immunity against an attack he has experience before" an ability of his Noble Phantasm, or is it due to his ability to see through the attack?

A: The answer is that, it is a result of both the resilience of his body, as well as his techniques. God Hand has the ability to make Berserker's body immune against an attack after it has been damaged once by the said attack. Also, Berserker himself possesses the skill to see through an attack he has witnessed before. However, due to Mad Enhancement, this "technique of a swordsman" is sealed. As a result, he can only count on the ability of God Hand.

So I think Mad Enhancement nerfed Herk far more than buffed.
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>>149837168
I thought returning to the user's hand when thrown was a trait for spears descended from Gungnir.
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>>149837014
>Plus he says he might actually have Vasavi's prototype
It is confirmed he is just trying to save face in Apo Materials. It's confirmed he doesn't have it.
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>>149837007
>or did Alcidies just have really good instinct and blocked the ones that might have worked?
Even while being a Berserker he knew that Caladbolg was dangerous and that he should defend against it. He definitely avoided the ones that could have hurt him.
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>>149837126
>believing canonically forgetful retard like Astolfo

No
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>>149837164
The miracles could have been granted after Hector by the angels, unless we have a Roland servant with some explanation you can't really be sure of that. We have conflicting statements about the nature of Durandal
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>>149837135
We could still get it as a CE though. Just no swimsuit costume or some shit for mashu
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>>149837126

A female Roland would be okay thing in the world.

We need a brunette Saberface to round things out.
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>>149837247
>>149836713
Come to think of it, I could swear angels have been mentioned once in TM in passing by a character.

>>149837316
>and stop with your headcanon

I'm not saying its definitely true as I said it, I'm saying that Nasu can always create some bullshit to reconcile these facts when people try to call him on it. If he wants to create an explanation, its literally that hard. Do we act like this isn't how Type Moon works now?
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>>149837179

Plain A rank.

>>149837364

It flies back to Hector in his NP animation.

>>149837383

Oh, alright.
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>>149837357
>So I think Mad Enhancement nerfed Herk far more than buffed.
This was the entire joke, yes.
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>>149837425
>We have conflicting statements about the nature of Durandal

No we don't you just can't let go of your headcanon
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You people are not getting it. Divine Construct is not "given by a god" or "used by a god". It's MADE by a god.
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>>149837430
How about not genderbending more people for no fucking reason?
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>>149837430
You already have Hippolyta fulfilling that role.
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>>149837179
Hippolyta's is A rank. We didn't get the rank for the one Alcides has but it should be the same rank or lower.
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>>149837519
You don't need a reason
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>>149837473
Don't reply to this retard anymore, he's just shitposting
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>>149837242
What? that doesn't make sense the one that make Cu's spear is Scathach.
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>>149837593
>t. Takeuchi
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>>149837519
It's a fictional adaption of a fictional person. It doesn't matter.
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>>149837482
>Plain A
I know that Rank doesn't immediately mean power but I question how a Prana Burst from Excalibur can be nullified by that. I suspect Alcides would rather dodge than get hit anyway.
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>>149834254

Beowulf got his ass handed to him by Li Shuwen, he's more of a brute force brawler than an expert martial artist. Against Alcides of all heroes he'd get his face punched in.

Sanzou or Shuwen probably stand more of a chance but then again Alcides has Hippolyta's belt to buff his already top tier physical stats even more.

>>149835193
>>149835727
>>149835748
>>149836084
>>149836084
>>149836087

EMIYA can half-arse divine constructs as seen when he projects Ig-Alima and Sul Sagana but they are hollow inside.

>>149836767
>>149836901
>>149836582
>>149837007
>>149837118


I think when Gil theorizes that only divine constructs can surpass it only very few weapons such as Ea or Ig-Alima/Sul Sagana/Excalibur/Arondight truly count. It's similar as to how Shirou would be able to trace most holy swords that by our standards would count as 'divine constructs' but can only make hollow imitations of Ig-Alima/Excalibur and can't even begin to fathom Ea.

Gil has shown to have no qualms using 'divine construct' NPs, he shot Harpe and Vajra at Lancelot in F/Z. Against Alcides he bombarded him with literally hundreds to thousands of Gates in a 360 degree assault (more than he's ever shown to open the Gate against anyone other than Enkidu, against Herc in UBW he opened up 70ish, around 30 against Lancelot) yet Alcides facetanked everything casually.

>>149837327
If Gil figured out Merodach-level weapons were all that was needed to take out Alcides he could have just shot them from the Gate without trouble.

Alcides told Gil that drawing out only Merodach instead of Ea was a fatal mistake, implying he'd be unharmed by it. Also it's implied that TA remembers their confrontation from UBW (he says 'only a mad beast' would lose to Gil's mindless spam)
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>>149837519
reddit fuck off
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>>149837637

Scathach was technically not human when she made Gae Bolg, she was something between human and Divine Spirit. That probably qualifies her to construct Divine Constructs.
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>>149837494
I wonder what an uncorrupted Archer Herk looks like. His Tiger/Colosseum & even his Fate Route death quote implies he's quite a respectful bloke. It's understandable, Herk trained to control his anger after all.
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>>149837357
It also nerfed him physically as he didn't get any ME buffs and lost access to the Bravery skill which buffed his melee damage to the point of him being able to defeat monsters like the Nemean Lion barehanded.

Everything about him is worse as a Berserker.
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>>149837509
There is an old material official source which says it was given to Roland by angels, and a newer source that it was originally Hector spear. The way it is now those sources are conflicting, if we ever get a Roland servant we might get an explanation that fix the inconsistencies, maybe about it being blessed by the angels later after Hector death or that the angels thing was just a rumor and in fact it really is the same as Durindana in all aspects, we can't really be sure of anything.
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>>149837720
Not him but you are retarded
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>>149837717
It makes me note how much of an Alcides had. He had prior info, even somehow knowing Ea despite never having it used on him.
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>>149837720
>knowing what reddit thinks
fuck off reddit
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>>149837868
Nobody who has ever said "not him" was actually a different person
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>>149837829
>There is an old material official source which says it was given to Roland by angels, and a newer source that it was originally Hector spear.

This is completely possible, your headcanon starts when you say angels put miracles and shit in it for absolutely no fucking reason
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>>149837717

>EMIYA can half-arse divine constructs as seen when he projects Ig-Alima and Sul Sagana but they are hollow inside.

But anything he creates is manmade.

>Also it's implied that TA remembers their confrontation from UBW (he says 'only a mad beast' would lose to Gil's mindless spam)

It's fucking fanservice you nob, nothing implies he remembers what happened in UBW.
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When we will get Saracen servants
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>>149829527
>And that’s why I’m holding onto it. I won’t give it to you.
>......You don’t need it, anyway. Isn’t that right?
EVIL CAT. This and the Valentine's CE. DW really gives her a lot of waifuness.

I'll roll a bit on her next rate up. It can't be helped.
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>>149837982
We don't need any more brown people unless they're girl
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So where can I read the S/F light novel? The manga's easy to find but I can't find anything but Spanish on Baka Tsuki.
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I want to bully Ibaraki with Shuten.
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>>149837763
Its revealed in F/SF that he's the exact same height as his Berserker self when he's uncorrupted. Since Alcidies height is listed, and its talked about how much he shrank by when he was altered by his master with grail mud. He was summoned normally at first and we did get a bit of dialogue and a small description of him. Also according to an interview, his face has a bit more humanity to it, and his arms don't have those protrusions on them.

Basically he looks a lot like his Berserker self, but more human and less ogre looking
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>>149837925
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>>149837872

Gil and Enkidu had that massive fight remember? Gil pulled out everything he had and so did Enkidu.
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>>149837925
This is him,you are retarded
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>>149838045
Nakulas translated the first volume, the other ones haven't been fully done I don't think. Just summaries.
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ozzy + waver in fuyuki
take care of it pls whoever gets it
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>>149837868
>>149837893
>not liking genderbend

Only reddit complains about genderbends
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>>149838053
I want to marry Ibaraki and make Shuten fuck off.
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>>149837969
>It's fucking fanservice you nob, nothing implies he remembers what happened in UBW.

/fgog/ somehow has the ability to completely fail to read into things, while also reading into things that aren't even there.
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>>149837404
I'm pretty sure Alcides facetanked pretty much the entire barrage or punched them away with his bow.

>>149837657
Nemean Lion is his defensive shroud. It shouldn't defend against Excalibur anyway since Excalibur is one of the few 'true' Divine Constructs mentioned. Goddess of War is essentially a giant buff-sash, I doubt it will shoot beams. I think Alcides said Gil can only match him with Ea because buffed up Alcides with Nemean Lion will ignore everything else Gil can throw at him and basically speedblitz his head off if he doesn't draw Ea.
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>>149837954
I didn't said they put it for sure, I said that might be something to explain how Durandal has miracles and Durindana hasn't. I didn't say it was a fact, I said it as an example to something that Nasu could use to explain the differences between the said origins of Durindana and Durandal. Let me reiterate that I don't said that is what happened, I said that might be something Nasu uses to explain it. Or he might not explain it at all, he could have completely forgotten about Durandal having those miracles. Just saying that until we get Roland with Durandal we can't be sure
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>>149837925
Not him, but you are truly retarded.
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>>149837872
Pretty much everyone as of Strange Fake knows Gil's strengths and weaknesses. The 3rd, 4th, and 5th Holy Grail Wars were heavily researched and analyzed after the fact in preparation for this Fake Grail War.
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>>149837763
>>149838073
Oh, also if you care about uncorrupted Heracles at all, this should be a fun read for you. Its literally the only twenty pages of dialogue in existence of his uncorrupted Nasuverse self.

http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/378-Fate-strange-fake-%28Free-Range-Spoilers%29?p=2412724&viewfull=1#post2412724
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>>149837753
Except she said her GB isn't a divine construct.
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>GBF is doing free gem roll for everyone

this is why it have double the amount of players compared to FGO
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>>149838149
Shuten can fuck on.
Fuck on me.
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>>149838289
>Double the amount of players
More like DelightWorks doesn't do player milestones as often as they are actually achieved because they're Jewish
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>>149838229

And who are you to dictate which is which before any actual evidence has come out that he remembers UBW?
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>>149838053
DON'T.
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>>149838289
Not our fault DW is full of fucking jews
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>>149838136
D-Do you happen to have one with Yorimitsu or Sanzou?
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>>149838289
How about you stop shilling for a moment?
I don't get this retarded rivalry between a fucking mobage.
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>>149838136
Thank you, easily $10
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>>149838229
>>149837717
No, other Anon is correct when he says that Heracles remembering UBW is fanon. Its just an idea created by people who wanted to see this play out as a personal revenge story trying to head-canon it. Servants don't remember previous summonings in subsets of Fuyuki war, and its confirmed this isn't UBW world-line either.

Fuyuki war was dismantled entirely during the fifth war, and Flat being this young means it isn't ten years later yet. Waver and Rin didn't do it, which is something that happens post-UBW route.
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Tristan was a joke compared to Gawain and Mordred.
I even went with two lancers because I saw that there were only archers in the quest without knowing it was him and no one died.

Is the next fight against him as well?
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>>149838053
Get out of here with your shit taste.

>>149838149
My brother!
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>>149838401
Yes
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>>149838274
It's surprisingly unfair. Then again, even the class system of the Grail War was rigged from the start anyway.
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>>149838401
Too late.
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>>149838437
57Ygt4T85
onis
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>>149838606
>Implying getting Ibaraki instead of banana tits is a bad thing.
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>>149838649
Agravain killed Lancelot right? Did Lancelot join our side?
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>>149838649
That guy is gay and nuts
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>>149838371
Because, it being fanservice doesn't require huge leaps of logic and faith?
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>>149838683
Thanks.
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>>149838746
Yes, he was already nursing some serious doubts over the whole situation and finding out Galahad was on our side was the last straw.
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>>149838761
At least he nuts, unlike you
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No regrets
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>>149838649
>tfw this is your family
Should I be happy or horrified?
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>>149838683
Do you happen to have one with
Me and (You)?
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>>149838276
>took 3 command spells and Grail mud to overcome Herc

His magic resistance is Arturia tier.
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>>149838709
Who said it was a bad thing
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>>149838636
At least she won't suffer alone.
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>>149838683
>missing letter
Don't toy with my heart.
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>>149838856
Martha is olev.
>>
News soon
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>>149838847
>hate women
>he nuts
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>>149838881
Took three command spells from someone said to be on par with Medea, for whatever reason. Heracles said that any modern magus couldn't effect him with command seals, which is why he was surprised these commands worked at all, saying that this man could only be on par with the witches of the age of gods to be able to effect him.
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>Get alt working
>Do a 10 roll
>God awful

Thank you Jesus
I needed to get this monkey off my back and keep myself from using my main account
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>>149838935
The best
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>>149838865
He killed the traitor unlike you,Shitwain
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>>149838448
I'm not shilling I'm just saying since we got anniversary event like tomorrow
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>>149838881
Ordinary command spells don't even work on him apparently, so even greater. His magical energy will just shrug off binding commands, while Artoria can only manage to hold herself still in defiance.
Heracles can defeat the world itself with his willpower, a magus is nothing. It just so happens that no amount of mystic might can intercede with the command spells this master used, which purely affected his thoughts to weaken his immense will.
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>>149838649
Wait why was Agravain already all fucked up by the time he was talking to Lancelot? Is Lancelot such a dense motherfucker that he stopped fighting just to listen to Agravain bitching?
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>>149838746
Galahad bitched him out until he joined, and then called him daddy, which caused Lancelot to break down and join us.

I'm exaggerating, but Mashu does call him dad.
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>>149838990
The Eizberns were wise to make him into a Berserker. Archer Herakles would have slaughtered them for doing anything bad to Ilya.
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>>149839023
She was my first gold servant, and I still have a soft spot for her.
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>>149839092
>Is Lancelot such a dense motherfucker that he stopped fighting just to listen to Agravain bitching?

Yes. Agravain lashes out halfway through that (Lancelot blocking) too, and he attacks Lancelot again at the end (cut to black with a slash sound effect)
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>>149838979
spoken like someone who never had pussy
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>>149839092
They were already fighting yeah
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>>149839084
Its the same level as Karna, who also claims normal commands will have no effect on him if he doesn't want them to.
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>>149838843
>>149838870
As >>149838904 said, there's a missing character, find it and it's yours

Sanzou+Yorimitsu+Scat

Also whoever got the Ozy+Waver one I'm willing to trade a Drake+MHX+Cu Alter+ all event Servants for it: [email protected]
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>>149839092
I figured it was one of those anime battle style conversations that happened while their swords are locked against one another face to face
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>>149839194
Same here anon
Lost my original account and she was the first to appear when I made my new one, just felt it was necessary to max her skills as well
Here's to hoping we get a 3rd skill one day
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>>149839092
You can talk while fighting you know
>>
I know Fake Rider was hyped up to be the counter to Alcides in SF but now that I think about it isn't Enkidu the worst matchup possible?

Gilgamesh considers Enkidu more of a NP of the Gods than a servant and his version of Enuma Elish LITERALLY turns him into a Divine Construct. Any of his clay projectiles should be able to bypass Nemean Lion.
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>>149839202
Anon plz dont talk about your personal issues here
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>>149839356
How would Gil react to Enkidu BTFO Alcides? Will he orgasm?
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>>149839356

Fake Berserker, not Fake Rider.

Fake Rider is currently being hyped as Enkidu's natural counter.
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>>149838649
Would there happen to be one for him reporting to Arturia?
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>Do Altera's interlude
>it's canon to nasuverse that she married Siegfried's wife after he died
>mfw
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>>149839356
Alcides counter would be someone like Jack though.
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>>149839469
Look at the Camelot spoilers pastebin
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>>149839102
How could he say "no" to this?

I don't know what kind of relationship he had with Galahad, but I wonder if he ever wanted a daughter.
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>>149839435
He orgasms every time you even mention his name
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>>149839356

Yeah, great, Enkidu can hard counter one of 14 minimum NPs, with there being potentially more than one per Labor.
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>>149839201
Did Agravain buff himself before the fight or during his rambling? Did Lancelot actually get distracted by the speech or was that Lancelotfag made bullshit? Did Lancelot lose his gift?
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>>149838649
Sorry for the ignorant question but what is the meaning of those dots above some of the symbols? Is to give them emphasis or what?
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Give me a rate up.
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>don't want any servant
>strong urge to roll
What are the odds of a new servant being added soon or a limited servant gacha?
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>>149839479
Its a mutual benefit marriage though.
I really want Kriemhild Avenger as servant.
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>>149839614
I'll give you burnt down villages and dead shitskins
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>>149839580

During the rambling.
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>>149839590
yes
anything else?
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>>149839356
>>149839578

Enkidu has the highest parameters of any servant, even higher than Heracles, he'd be one of the few whom Heracles can't just turn into meatpaste with Goddess of War + a few punches.

>>149839484
>>149839446

Sorry got them mixed up. How does Jack and Pale Rider counter Herc and Enkidu though? I'd understand Pale Rider countering Herc as it's literally Death but Jack is the manifestation of the Ripper legend so in some respects it's the most human creation of all.
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>>149839675
>killing best boy's wife
Fuck him.
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>>149839675
That's fine as well
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>>149839696
Is the Kugelblitz theory real?
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>>149839653
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>>149838883
Ibaraki is too fucking cute. The perfect Imuoto Servant.
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>>149839356
Gilgamesh considers Enkidu a real human bean, or more beautiful and perfect than anyone that's ever existed. Its Enkidu himself that considers himself just a tool or worthless, since he's the opposite of Gil when it comes to arrogance.

I don't think Gil ever said Enkidu was a weapon/NP, in fact he shut Enkidu up once when Enkidu was going on about how he was just a weapon/tool for Gil to use.

>>149839484
Yeah, he confirms as much. Although no one knows what he means yet.
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>>149839479
>Sumanai literally cucked after death by Altera
JUST
>>
Baking.
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>>149839254
I got the Ozzy/Waver. I'm actually interested in that Sanzou acc. If nobody got it yet I could trade it for that one.
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>>149839675
>half responsible for killing Hassan's waifu

Truly the worst hypocrite knight
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>>149839653
>mutual benefit
>kriemhild manipulated her family and the huns into killing each other
Yes avenger Kriemhild could be nice but she doesn't seem to be the fighting type of servant
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>>149839653
>mutual benefit
If it went down anything like Kriemhild's marriage to Etzel did, the word "beneficial" doesn't really apply to it very well.
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>>149839771
>>149839880
>TRIGGERED shitskins
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>>149839641
>What are the odds of a new servant being added soon or a limited servant gacha?

Roughly 100%, give or take.

New gatcha is 29th
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>>149838276
>wants to call him Heracles Alter
Epic meme, Narita
>>
How strong is King Hassan if he was able to BTFO Ozzy and can casually block full power Galatine.
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>>149839879
I got it, but it had no Yorimitsu although Waver and Vlad are NP 2, missing character was h
>>
someone bake
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>>149839681
So Lancelot was winning like he did during life, then Agravain buffed himself and won? Whatever that drug is, I need it.
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>>149839536
Oh, sorry about that. Didn't realize it had been updated.

>Bedivere says that everyone except Galahad (the biggest ditz of the round table, but who understood people the best) hated Agravain, who seemed to actively try to get people to hate him. Bedivere himself only realised much later in retrospect that it was Agravain who held the round table together; It was his death that led to their fall.

Literally fucking Oberstein. It's even better since Rider binged on LOGH during the twitter event so Nasu could absolutely have been drawing influence.
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>>149839880
How is it hypocrite?
You might argue it was not really something good but it was true to his feelings about loyalty. And it wasn't even him who did it.
>>
>>149839356
It depends on what his EX rank NP is. If it's based on him defeating the giants then Enkidu could be at an enormous disadvantage due to his connecting to the planet and how that NP in a sense would be the crystallization of a moment where Gaia got defeated in battle.

This is of course just wild speculation. Enkidu is in any other scenario the biggest possible threat against Alcides.
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>>149840027
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>>149839765

We don't know enough about Pale Rider to say for certain yet why Enkidu is so scared shitless of him, but Jack is just a natural counter to all pure human Servants it seems. We'll find out soon enough why Jack is strong against Herc in the next volume when they have their showdown in the police station.

I'm guessing Enkidu is afraid of Pale Rider because Enkidu is associated with beasts, and beasts have no defense against diseases, though. Whereas humans have medicine and magecraft and stuff. Also, Heracles did in fact beat up Death in his myths, so.
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>>149840024
There is already someone baking.
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>>149840027
>hated so much he keeps people together
Based sounds like me
>>
>>149840010
Grand level, as powerful as divine Arthuria when she was using her NP, and he wasn't.
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>>149840013
>>149839879
Here's the pic
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>>149839943
I'd like to be lead by Hassan instead of a woman.
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>>149840132
Fuck off, jetfag.
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>>149839765
Enkidu's death in myth is because the gods cursed him with illness, and Fake Rider is illness itself.
Do the math.
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>>149839765
>I'd understand Pale Rider countering Herc as it's literally Death
Herc wrestled and won against Death in his myth so I don't think he's a counter.
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>>149840116
>Herk
Was herk summoned or something?
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>>149840027
>jetfag is the Agravain of /fgog/
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>>149840165
>desu I rather follow a shitskin man and a white woman

but the tits
>>
>>149840116
>I'm guessing Enkidu is afraid of Pale Rider because Enkidu is associated with beasts, and beasts have no defense against diseases, though.

Its because he died to disease in life, meaning that conceptually this is his counter you could say. The rot of destruction that all people face, death, disease, plague.

Thing that killed you in life has advantage against you in death at times.
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>>149840185
We're never going to see half of these servants do anything at this rate
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>>149840216
Heracles=Alcides=True Archer
>>
Does anyone have an account with Dantes
>>
>>149840116
I hope Alcides doesn't just get killed off like that. I feel like given how hyped Archer Herc has been for years it's only fitting that he dies only to Gil or Enkidu. God knows he's jobbed enough in F/SN

>>149840116
>>149840198
>>149840198

Thanks for clarification anons. Forgot Herc beat up Death in the legends (though half of the Greek heroes waltzed in and out of Hades on a daily basis it seems)
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>>149840198
Heracles died to poison, so I think the closest counter in SF is Saber summoning Loxley
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>>149839943
>>149840242
>following shit autistic king
>rather than based leader that actually understand the situation of his fellow follower
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>>149840242
I'd trust a man more. Fuck women and all of their kin.
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>>149840291
What happened to mesau or whatever?
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>>149840216
Yes

He was summoned as Archer, and then warped horribly to become Alcidies.

>>149840356
>so I think the closest counter in SF is Saber summoning Loxley

We already have Jack say he can counter him. I'm willing to say its correct. Its meant to be an unusual counter, that shows power levels aren't too linear, sometimes the peasant can beat the king if things line up a certain way.
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>>149839879
This >>149840162 was what I posted no Yorimitsu, sorry, trade for Drake+MHX+Cu is still available if you want to

>>149840313
I have a Ozy+Jack and another Vlad account I can giveaway, give me ideas on how to do it
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>>149840356
Or Zealot channeling Serenity's Zabaniya
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>>149840141
Wait did KH confront Arturia? (I haven't played through the whole chapter yet)

All I've read from spoilers is that he dicked around with Gawain for a while before BTFOing him and saved Cursed Arm Hassan at the end
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>>149840356
Heracles died by immolation after tearing down a forest to build a pyre for himself.
Now, the reason for this self immolation was because he poisoned himself, but the poison wasn't killing him, it was just an unimaginably painful living hell without end that he needed to escape from.
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>>149840371
Agravain please.
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>>149840010
Who knows. If he's a Grand Servant then he would be in the same category as a guy who can tell space-time to go fuck itself and vaporize the Earth with the force of a billion Excalibur blasts.

I found it interesting that one of the first things Team Chaldea jumped on was that he might have something akin to MEoDP. If that's true then it's also a decent test of Ramesseum Tentyris' properties. It would be sort of a major thing if Ozymandias actually had his lines cut but thanks to the temple still managed to not die.
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>>149840457
>>149840457
>>149840457
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>>149840465
No, that was bullshit
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Remember how you used to be before F/GO corrupted you?
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/128785938/

Back when people thought rolling Sumanai was amazing.
Back when if you had Medusa and Cu you were considered to be top tier/lucky as fuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqvUz0HrNKY
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>>149837519
Do we still have good female candidates as servants do we not?
>>
>>149840458
Put them in an image
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>>149837717
>Beowulf got his ass handed to him by Li Shuwen
But its the player who defeat everyone! reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
>>
>>149840513
A lot of things may or may not be bullshit at this point. We work through it a bit at a time to figure out entirely what happened and what didn't. I think everyone here is solid on a few plot points at this point, but clueless on a lot of the rest.
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>>149837717

All Li managed to do was stall Beowulf for 5 minutes, he didn't even beat him.
>>
Where can I go to read the story up till this point in english?
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