/rlg/ - Roguelike General

I guess we could use some new material some time, huh?

Torpor Snails should be peaceful if you're a Chei worshiper.

>>149501743
>trees in a volcano
wut

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>>149503380
i too was confused

>>149503215
Unfortunately this genre and general don't really generate huge swathes of OC outside of the material which is used in the games.

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>>149503369

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what to do
i have barely any resists, a +3 demon tri of draining, +5 ring of slay, +4 am of reflection

>>149508646
If you're that merfolk aquire armor, you got shit so far. You're still too squishy to gamble for wands, but that slaying ring will offset the shitty weapon

So, I've gotten wins with every UC skill title except Featherweight Champion. My choices for that are Halfing, Kobold, and Tengu.

Opinions on which would be easiest? I'm leaning towards Tengu if only for the aptitudes.

>>149508950
Halfling for the not-shit HP and good armor apts
Also slings are way better than people give them credit for

>>149508950
I would go tengu.

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>>149508781
i accidentally pressed 'i' after switching back to the game, and got fucking gold
at least i picked this up from elven halls 1

>>149508950
KOBOLD
O
B
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Remember to do your best, anonymous!!

>fedhas cares only for mold!

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Damn it i faulted again

>>149511782
Also fun to see that all lvl27 characters on my highscore list were killed by hellfire

>worship Fedhas
>thorn hunters and shambling mangroves are pacified
It would be pretty neat if you could get them as allies.

Also, I dicked around in wizard mode last night and the enchanted forest can be explored, but exiting it takes you to a random place in the Vaults.

>>149511782
You have to be real careful in statue form. The 1.5 delay is actually lethal if you're at low HP. Surprised you didn't potion petition or quaff HW. RIP my favorite sister fister.

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>>149511970
>>worship Fedhas
>>thorn hunters and shambling mangroves are pacified

>>149511970
>but exiting it takes you to a random place in the Vaults
You do know how the forest branch used to work, right?

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Tornado > Shatter confirmed.

>>149511970
It would be neat, but they are also some of the only interesting monsters in Swamp so it would be kind of lame to never fight them as fedhas.

>>149509158
>>149509160
>>149509536
>one vote for each

Huh. I guess they're all alright?

>>149514757
Felid

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>1
>7

>>149514848
I've seen worse.

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>>149514243

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just cleared d:15
now what?
fucking nikola is on swamps 2 or 3 and i have no rElec
spider almost raped me also

>>149515185
Do you have a potion of res on you? Didja do Orc?

>>149515342
yes and yes
forgot about res pots actually

>>149514782
Felids get their own unique UC titles.

>chei gets mad if you use a speed brand weapon
>chei is fine if your natural weapon skill allows you to attack super quickly

Explain this shit.

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Having another go at this human sorcerer again. You have *so* much mana early, with the decrease-mana of the wizardstaff and the regeneration spell. I've been hunting for xp in the wilderness mostly so far. Probably will finish my early 2 quests and continue to range in swamps near morivant, maybe pop into forest and try to pick some non-fire hound packs or something.

>>149515976
because chei babbies would cry about it if he didn't let your weapon speed improve
also chei improving your EV (via dex) doesn't make any sense since you would dodge much fewer attacks if you had slowed movement

Jessica just dropped a +5 club. Girl's got game.

>>149516268
Protip: Daemon has the best first-book offensive spells. It has a weak ball spell with mana-typed damage, and a powerful single-target spell with disintegration-typed damage. Neither of those types are resisted by what you should be fighting at the levels they're available.

>>149514628
It happens in the game, though. It'd probably make Fedhas better if you could gain them as allies anywhere (they're merely pacified in the swamp), but that's just me as I'm still new to the game.

>>149517112
Shows what I know about Fedhas.

>>149516594
>You're slower so you should dodge worse
I always figured it was something akin to the drunken style of Kung Fu
Just taking it so easy you sleaze your way past all the attacks
You take a nap and the LCS flies over you

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and now
to swamp
or something

>>149516594
I always took Chei dodges to be slowmo matrix dives.

>>149516594
Chei teaches you to be like water, and dodge attacks with a minimum of motion so that you can take it easy. You just kind of gently move out of the way as if it was luck.

>>149517039
I think you're thinking of daemon book 2. Book 1 is MAgic Missile, Detect Unlife, Evil BBless, Resist Fire, Horrify, Nether Bolt, Summon Manes, and Hellish Flame (which is maybe good enough? "Fires a ball of evil power. Hurts good monsters greatly." dealing 3d6+21 at my current level and for 9 sp, 24% fail. ehh...)

I have been considering carrying a magic missile book though, since it's more efficient than Lightning Bolt, but I think it would be almost the only thing I'd use it for. If Hellish Flame is good maybe I'll use Daemon for that and mm. I'll carry it a bit and see. But I think you're thinking of book 2.

>>149515976
>>149516594
Chei prohibits unnecessary haste. That is, going faster than is natural. He's okay with creatures that are normally fast being faster, and creatures that are normally not-slow being not-slow. They get less benefit from him, but that's because they don't take it as easy as some do. The reason he slows his most pious worshippers down is because he believes taking it easy to be a blessing.
>also chei improving your EV (via dex) doesn't make any sense since you would dodge much fewer attacks if you had slowed movement
Dexterity is economy of movement. Spriggans/Felids/Halfings have naturally high dex and naturally high EV because they have a lot less to move around. Vice versa for the larger races. Chei, in teaching you to take it easy, teaches you to dodge better with less movement. Presumably, you do that wuxia thing where they just sway out of the way, deflect attacks, or take the blow so well it doesn't hurt them at all.

>>149517774
Sorry, I meant Chaos' first book. The spells are Mana Burst and Fist of Force, respectively.

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shoutout to the anon who suggested formicid
this is awesome

>>149518616
make sure you get a vorpal axe of distortion

>>149518616
Where is your shield anon

>>149518743
naw i am solid set for a good while with that axe, all i need is a better shield than the +2 buckler i just found and I am in

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>>149518840
literally found it 4 turns after that on the ground
for now it's all i got

>>149518616
>Formicid
>No shield
You wot?

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>>149519059
and theres another
also
ten turns later
_Put on which piece of jewellery? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
_R - a +5 amulet of reflection (around neck)
time to fuck up

>>149519059
Don't be afraid to go to 15 Shield skill: it takes less than a branch's worth of EXP, and all that fake-EV makes up for not actually having any EV because of your heavy armor.

>>149519405
15 shields will get him to large shields, so he really has no reason not to.

>>149520256
This is Ketziah. I don't think anything is too obvious to state.

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>>149520332

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>>149520446

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>This trove needs a gf to function.

Playing mages is so annoying. Having to hem and haw while slowly picking off popcorn when a melee character could just hold down tab is annoying.

>>149520734
They ought to be removed.

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dare i finish elf:3?
somehow i've been poking my way through elf easily, finished shoals and spider already
i only have 2 MR pips

>>149520734
>>149520886
>mages are bloat early game
>tablords are bloat late game
When will we get a god that can give tablords a Tornado equivalent so that we can just remove mages entirely?

>>149521369
>i only have 2 MR pips
I hope you like the Abyss

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too good

>>149514628

Tornado a shit! A shiiiiiiiiiit!

>>149521369
2 MR is pushing it. 3 is really the magic number

>>149521380
Cheibriados. Qazlal. Possibly Uskayaw.

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>>149521773
>>149521585
i'm a gambling man myself

>>149521754
>that axe
>with a shield
>god of tabbing
>that ring
If you splat this you should ctrl+q IRL.

>>149521906
run dude thats like 400+ damage possible ni a turn not counting summons

>two-handed polearms STILL aren't piercing types
Have the devil's team ever explained this particular bit of mental illness? What is the point of having THREE (3) slashing weapon types and ZERO (0) piercing types?

If I wanted to swing around a pole with an axehead, I would fucking use axes.

>>149522690

a two handed str<10 char piercing 2 death yaks/giants is against all forms of mental stability

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what a nice party this will be

>>149523384
>That's so "Formicid with more SH than AC and EV combined"
And where the fuck did you find a large shield so early

>>149522690
Please explain to me how weapons with the shape that halberds, glaives, and bardiches have are supposed to be effectively used as a piercing weapon.

>>149523384
>urug in full armor
enough of this heresy

>>149523365
What? I'm referring to the bludgeoning/slashing/piercing triangle, not a 2-for-1 attack effect.

>>149523384
Aw, how cute. They're trying to be vault guards.

>>149523520
>>>>>>>If I wanted to swing around a pole with an axehead, I would fucking use axes.
Halberds, glaives, and bardiches can go right to hell.

>>149523714
>Halberds, glaives, and bardiches can go right to hell.
Too late, tridents already got there and they cornered the market.

>>149523714
Name some alternate large polearms.

>>149511782
how can you see your skills, abilities and enemies like that ?

>>149524014
Playing offline, aka download the client

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>literally tabbing through norris without realizing while watching seinfeld
the fault approaches

>>149523830
Not him, but lucerne hammer, lance, spetum. All very piercey looking weapons

>>149524542
Tabbing through dangerous uniques is always such a weird feeling
You know you should've paid attention, you know you shouldn't be alive, but damn it feels good to have gotten this strong

>>149523830
Big-ass lance like Wyrmbane or some of these random wiki'd spears:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xyston
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarissa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranseur
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_(weapon)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamayari

>>149523515
see
>>149519267

>>149524941
>no billhook
gay

>>149521763
Shut the fuck up disgusting earthfag.

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>>149525790
>Derived originally from the agricultural billhook, the bill consisted of a hooked chopping blade with several pointed projections mounted on a staff.
>a hooked chopping blade
>chopping
>piercing type

>>149523384
Think about how awesome it would be if Urug turned out to be the final boss of the game, and you didn't have to slog through 20 more levels.

>>149524941
All different names for the same weapon. It depends on the head of the armament, be it halberd, bardiche, spear, lance, or war fork.

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How do I manage what to keep on me and what to leave behind? My bag keeps piling up with drops that I can't decide whether to keep or leave behind.

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>>149526362
>all pole weapons are the same weapon because they have poles
>staves are spears

>>149526368
if you arent going to use it or if you have multiples of a wand with a decent charge leave em some where. jewelry is a bog offender too, try and gauge what you will need based on the branch you are tackling

>>149526689
Still new and this is the farthest I have ever been so I don't know when I will need what res.

>>149526610
>ranseur
>xyston
>sarissa
>not just a renamed pike
Immediate suicide is suggested

>>149526689
well whatever you do dont go in tomb without n+++ and alot of ways to heal yourself and escape. there has to be other places you can go and clear besides there

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The world gets really scary when you run out of sanity.

>>149526827
>The bardiche differs from the halberd in having neither a hook at the back nor a spear point at the top.
>bardiche is just a renamed halberd

>>149526368
Your EV is super shit. Train some dodging/armor, you have almost 4 times as much AC as you have EV. Neither of your main defensive stats should be over twice as the other unless you're playing a race with equipment restrictions. Formicids in particular have no excuse not to be super diesel in all 3. Switching to your FDA is probably better as well since you have a source of rC, unless that armor is amazing.

>>149527234
when did i mention that? every polearm i named has a different tip.

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>>149527323
The FDA give me less AC since I have had a serious drought of finding enchant scrolls. I have found more brand weapon scrolls than enchant armor scrolls this game so far.

>>149527045
I have not done depths, swamp, or cleared vault 5 yet should I do those instead? Have gotten abyss rune and spider rune so far. Also cleared the elven halls.

>>149527769
swamp with rpois somewhere on your body, maybe flaming or a fast way to kill hydras

>>149527641
AC is less important than EV and even heavy armor armor focused characters shouldn't be as lopsided. SH is a bit like EV so that's probably what's been saving your ant ass up to now. Post a screenie of your skill menu

Also, enchant armor is best used on aux slots, not on your body armor

>>149527438
Just realized I was confusing the ranseur with something with a totally different head, and so misunderstood your original post.

My bad, famalam.

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>>149527925
Was just starting to level up the spell schools so I could use the spells I have while training my armor and fighting more.

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What about this partisan here? That shit looks spicy as fuck.

>>149524542
which episode?

>>149528087
while i agree a ransuer is a bit different from a spear a bardy and a hally are far different than any of those other ones. it really came down to regional naming and shaft length, also MAYBE a cross hilt. but in the end a spear is a pike is a stick with a pointy end. there are many polearms but most are just cultural differences for the same concept

>>149528306
You didn't really need 9 Invo with Oka, 4 or so for reliably using Finesse would be enough. Definitely train more dodging, to 10 or so at least. You trained too much armor and a tad too much shields but that'll come in handy since you want to cast.

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>>149528535
the episode that runs in reverse, kramer keeps wishing for himself not to drop dead, final season
rewatching it again for laffs

>>149528646
Also, getting your exe axe to mindelay was quite a heavy investment, skills get increasingly more expensive. If you had settled for a battleaxe for a while you could have had a lot of leeway to train other stuff

>>149528763
Nice. My favorite is the one where George does the opposite of everything.

>the amulet "Huetemop" {Harm *Drain +Inv rElec rPois Int+2}
I know harm is bad, but it's the only source of rElec I've found apart from a +1 artifact robe (which I'd like to switch out for something heavier).

Should I keep the robe, go without electricity resistance, or wear the amulet?

>>149528368
awww yea
i need the other one too
voulge was the one i was missing as well as partisan and naginata. but polearms are very diverse

>>149528828
Ok thank you. Can you still train skills once you get to lv 27 or no?

>>149528570
I wasn't being sarcastic, anon. I genuinely confused the ranseur with something else.

But anyway, I don't care if they literally just call them
>smol spear
>normie spear
>big spear
>HUEG SPEAR

I don't want THREE (3) fucking slashing two-handers and ZERO (0) fucking piercing two-handers.

>>149529069
Yeah you can. You can even farm on Abyss, Pan and Zigs since they're all infinite sources of XP. Some people like maxing all their skills with them

>>149528847
beautiful show indeed

>>149528925
rElec is not that serious

>>149528925
Most of the effects of rElec are negated by Harm. *Drain is just the siding of the shit sandwich

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>vaults 5
>50 hp
>bodies everywhere
>enemies keep coming
>kill an enemy
>all of a sudden back to full hp
Didn't use pots or any healing yet somehow I healed to full? Game just says "The terrible wounds on your body vanish."

Does Stomp with Uska need a lot of Invo to be good?

>>149528925

wear the goddamn robe and throw that abomination into the lava

>>149530839
Flayed ghosts inflict imaginary "wounds" on your body. It checks for mr+ before applying the debuff I think?

You can get rid of the wounds by killing it or walking out of line of sight for long enough.

>>149530839
That's what flayed ghosts do

>>149530839

That's from a flayed ghost. Is it your first time encountering it?

>>149531093
Yes. Saw them in crypt and tomb but did not know they did this.

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First time ziggurat completer!
It was fun for portions, but mostly the game was either frustrating or too easy.

Amazing how much paralysis wand trivializes some encounters. With 4 Evo I had over 50% chance to paralyze Psyche. Many splats could have been prevented if I knew it was that good.

>>149531347
The things the enemies do are explained in the x-v screen.

>>149532482
You can cheese a lot of standard speed enemies with a wand of slowing. Wands of confusion are especially useful against orc priests if you have enough evo.

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>>149532447
Also artefacts.
And dump: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/nikheizen/morgue-nikheizen-20160725-040637.txt

>>149532482
Psyche has the HD of an ogre and the MR of an orc wizard.

>>149532482
Psyche should be the least of your concern

I got bored and faulted my level 40 warrior to death. Is there some advanced tactic that opens up with late game options? Pretty much every fight was maneuver enemy into corridor/killhole, quaff speed, possibly use _curing or _teleport, be disappointed at crappy drops.

It doesn't help that I'd been using the same weapons forever and it was kind of stagnant. Is 40 around the time it makes sense to start reforging artifacts onto blades of chaos or something?

>>149533923
Psyche is pretty high on my concern list if she shows up and there's nothing else dangerous in the level due to being able to turn invisible and often having a disto dagger.

I didn't know staff of poison gives rpois how neat

>be gozagfag
>fund several shops (7)
>equipment is almost optimal after Spider branch
>collect as much gold as I can (16k)
>only crypt and extended left
>XL 25

I'll open all shops at once, ditch Gozag and switch to TSO

>tfw can't even reach XL 27 before ditching Gozag

>>149534701

It's common knowledge that Gozag is a cheat feature waaaaay worse than MiBes because you get to abuse item RNG. And if that wasn't enough of a bullshit already, it even gives you asspull potions and bribery.

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Find some plebian with a makeshift crowbar walking about. Tell him he can come with me since I was gonna see where the fuck the irratiated wanderers are coming from.

I let him walk around taking out most of them after I handed him a combat knife, because my torso and head are real beat up and the rifle I have draws too much attention.

Noticed he wasn't doing too good so I checked on him and his arms are both fucked. I assume he's dropped the knife somewhere in the sewage so...

Wat do?

>>149534701
Doesn't gozag close up all shops when you abandon him?

>>149535318
break her legs too and make her a sex slave

>>149496984

Super late, but get spider form to a reliable miscast rate, then get 6 unarmed, then get some stealth, then get 11 unarmed, then get some dodging, then get ice form and use ice form through lair. As an Op, ice form buffs your AC in addition to the 25% health bonus, and it does almost as much damage as blade hands if they don't resist. At that point, you need fighting, may or may not want some evocations and more stealth, and can add in more dodging and unarmed combat as needed. UC breakpoints are 6, 11, 16.2, 22, 27.

Use spider form and sticks to snakes liberally in the early game. Use sticks to snakes more. You're not using sticks to snakes enough.

OpTm is very similar to most **Tm in the early game; abuse sticks to snakes and spider form. The main difference is that blade hands is much better for other races, and ice form is much worse for other races. Hopefully you find statue form relatively soon, but you should be able to use ice form and blade hands to get 3 runes if you don't. If you do get statue form, you'll probably want to wear a shield. You need 5 shields skill to remove all the penalties from a buckler, 15 for shield, and 25 for a large shield, although a large shield probably isn't worth it until you're already most of the way through extended.

God choice changes your playstyle a lot. Makhleb is a good choice, both for the increased survivability you need as an Op, and the ranged damage options you need as a Tm. Chei is also strong, but requires a more drastic shift in playstyle instead of just making you stronger for free. You could do sif for book gift hoping for statue form, but I'm not a huge fan of that. If you do go sif you should take advantage of everything she gives you by branching out into more spells, instead of just hoping for one spell.

>>149535495
I think that's a dude, also no.

I do have psychopath though, so I could just pop the guy in the back head and see if his armored leather jacket is still good.

2 Kobold demonolgists and 3 orc warriors in a bailey. I am a Level 9 MeGl^Okie doke. I should probably just ditch. I might have fought if I still had an invis pot.

>>149535532
If he's playing trunk Sif is just Vehumet but better. Only things Vehumet has over Sif are increased range and failrates, and in any case if you're casting conjurations before you're supposed to be able to they're going to be shit

How hard does Trog punish you when you leave him? Im 23 on my NaBe and considering switching to chei for the late game but I have great doubts.

>>149536246
He occasionally will summon packs of berserking enemies the worst mobs in the pack, that I can remember were iron trolls and stone giants.

He will occasionally light you on fire for sticky flame damage.

I forget if he would occasionally crystal spear you or not. I don't think he does, but I am not sure.

>>149536246
A lot. One of the worst wraths.

>>149536067
That reminds me of the sewer with Grinder and a kobold demonologist apprentice. I barely managed to kill Grinder, but the latter finished me off with ease.

>>149536246
He essentially uses Brothers in Arms to create whole packs against you and gives you penalties as if you had berserked, to start

>>149536407
>>149536467
>>149536516
Sounds like ill wait till Im 27 with V:5 under my belt before I abandon him

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That looks like a weapon I could use.

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Draw your current character, /rlg/.

Challenge mode: don't end up with something resembling ubbo-sathla's pride parade.

>>149536487
I actually managed to pick them off one by one by throwing stones and then going to the water moat outside. The best thing I got was the FREE EXP, but it was still good.

>>149535393
Yeah, that's why I'll fund everything I can with this 16k before switching to TSO.
I have 3 spare scrolls of acquirement for acquiring gold if the last shop I fund has many good items.

I'm aiming XL 27 because that's when Gozag's shop powerlevel is maxed.

>>149535031
>not abusing scroll of acquirement god
>2016

I'm greedy, so now I only use bribing branch on Zot:5. It doesn't last very long, when I used it on Zot:1 and came back, the enemies become hostile again. Otherwise I'll use it to fund shops.

His wrath is a joke too, compared to Trog.

I never use potion petition besides the first free sample, because it's fucking expensive and the money can be used to fund other shops.

>>149537815
Yeah, bribing Zot on the fifth floor is good if you want to get the Shrek out of there quickly. It's also useful to bribe the Depths and Dungeon as you ascend with the orb for you to increase your chances of survival. I usually don't bother bribing the Depths, though.

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>>149536680
Best I could do.

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This is a nice mid-lair gift.

>>149539321
It is OK.

>>149539321
That is exactly what I could use right now.

>>149539391
I'd love to see what you think a good weapon looks like

>>149520734
threadly reminder that crawl characters should more or less always be hybrids and if you cant killdudes with a weapon at all then you are probably doing it wrong

>>149539536
-) blade hand

>>149539536
I can understand why he isn't too impressed. Vamp is a brand that falls off later and at least if it was just a D Trident with vamp and +9 I could turn it into a Triulsha endgame.

It is a nice 3-rune weapon though.

>>149539536

Something that's not a 12 dmg horseshit obviously

>>149539536
>>149539702
FWIW I was being sarcastic. That's a top tier weapon.
15 runing sucks anyhow.

Man, I wonder how I did not know sooner how goog the rod of clouds and the decks can be.

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Do you guys play DCSS online or downloaded?

>>149540073
online console is best

>>149540073
Online via ssh.

>>149540073
webtiles

>>149539843
It's all good.

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I can feel it, the 15 runes is close at hand!

>>149540375
You ever been to hell before, cutie?

>>149540073
I've mainly played 0.17 offline. I'll probably play trunk and older versions after a few more wins.

>>149540073

I never play online because it's slow as hell (even slower than Chei) even without any spectators and I don't like how the items/skills etc. do not constantly show at the bottom right corner of your screen.

>>149540073
I only play real roguelikes.

>>149536073
Vehumet is already shit for Tm, anon. Sif is less shit for Tm.

>>149540527

Yes, never as a pure caster though.

>>149540375
Get defenses please

>>149540375
>14/16/5
>94 HP
Fucking invest your defenses, nigga. Shatter won't save you from everything.

What's the main reason body slot mutation is considered as good mutation by dcss developers ?
Maybe level 1 or 2 is still good to increase damage, but level 3 is bad because the bonus damage is not significant and you lose one equipment slot.

It's not good mutation, it's neutral at best.

>>149541273
The main thing to keep in mind is that you can't sit around and wait to recover MP if you spell everything, so invest in a way to kill enemies without expending any MP. Otherwise you'll run out.

>>149541519

I'm free to do that with SOB

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>A Yamabiko comes into view.
>It shouts!

>>149541598
No seriously

>>149541598
>SOB
shit of balls?

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>>149520678
>tfw no gf

>Mara can appear as early as the freaking swamp
>he dies as soon as he makes a copy of my character
Rod of clouds is 2gud.

>>149520678
>>149541623
>>149541821
Bad posts.
Reconsider existing.

>>149520678
>>149541821

>tfw anon shitposts when he should just an hero

>>149541650

That's if and only if I can find a Majin-Bo and I certainly won't rely on acqs for that.

Otherwise, I'll just find a way to do it while only wielding a staff of power and and some shit buckler.

Do NPCs in cataclysm actually need food or can I tell them to shut it and not worry about it?

>>149542202
You need to know how to tab or something. Some of the pan/hell lords don't die so easy, and you'll easily burn all your MP without killing them. Even certain enemies easily take 3-4 shatters to kill. You can't just blow your load and expect to live.

>>149541687
sublimation of blood

it's a shit plan though

why willingly do lots of damage to yourself just so you can firestorm shitty tab fodder when you could just invest in a melee weapon and tab the shitty tab fodder while saving your mana/hp for actual threats

>>149541437
And for many of them you don't get the effect if you're wearing equipment in that slot for ranks 1 and 2. Antennae 2 is pretty good. Pseudo-SInv + detection through walls, and can still wear hats? Not bad.

>>149542202
Why is this even an issue? You've got high earth magic. Equip staff of earth. Kill a single enemy while training staves to get min delay. Kill 3 more enemies while training evocations. Enjoy massive unresisted damage every 6 auts.

>>149542687
This. Staff melee with high magic skill is huge.
Also training Evo unlocks the massive power of the great and grand CBoE.

thank god for the archives from 2014 exist

>>149542819
I've never actually done staves other than earth. Is it worth it, when the damage is typed as fire elec or ice, instead of physical?

got a wish in nethack

here's my choices

magicbane vs gauntlets of power vs bag of holding

i'm playing priest so gehenmon is easy mode

>>149543354
?

>>149543387
Yeah. You should always carry an extra option for resistant enemies though.
My air caster used LCS and 'nado.
Ran into trouble on the air zig floor though.

>>149543508
I didn't have to bother you all with where to find and how to install certain custom tileset for UnNetHack.

>>149543387
Staff of Death is easiest 3 rune.

>>149543450
gf

>>149543450
did you already do sokoban to see if the reward was amulet or bag? do you have a source of MR?

>>149543450
Bag of holding for sake of convenience.
You already have MR+Reflect+BoS? I'd prioritize those over the listed 3 personally.

>>149544040
doesn't magicbane provide MR

or is that just in dynahack

>>149543982
>>149544040
yep. I've got all the basics sans power and holding. I'm considering Athame since I will not get a proper weapon until near the castle and i'm starting to get mid tier enemies, and sacrifices are practically random.

I'm heading towards the mines for the luckstone, I I'm lucky I'll find a bag in the stores. Or I could find orcs.

>>149543957
no feels

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>>149543450
I'd wish for a gf.

>>149544538
The devs think of everything, so they'd give you a girlfriend if you wished for one, right?

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>>149544798
I wished for a gf and tried to genocide Russians but neither worked.
I'm never playing nogfhack again.

Girlfriends are overrated you sad bastards.
I find more enjoyment playing roguelikes and doing programming than gfing.
And you don't need a gf to have sex.

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>>149545069
>you don't need a gf to have sex

I had sex once but the girl thought I was fingering her with my pinky.

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>>149545215
Inchposters OUT

>>149545215
But your disgusting sausage fingers are huge, you fatass.

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I have the strangest feeling the retarded shitposting with >nogf maymay is just one person.

ok I figure I can do without gauntlets of power. whic leaves the bag of holding. mmm-

magicbane is my best bet, besides, I don't need many more items beyond a luckstone, a fire wand for slimes and a lizard corpse

>tfw you will never be able to ascend with Roxanne

>>149545875
of course it is

he always posts the meme frog too

stop shitposting about nogf and start shitposting about futa dragons, retard

>>149545875
>tfw gf
>tfw it's a long distance relationship and she recently became a Mormon so I basically don't have a gf

>>149546030
>she recently became mormon
you need to immediately sever

anyone who actually cares enough about a religion to convert TO it is extremely crazy and probably mentally ill

>>149546132
especially if it's mormonism or scientology or something like that, it's impossible to follow those religions and NOT be crazy

>>149546132
I agree anon, but
>dispensing/taking relationship on /rlg/.

damn i wish i discovered nethack and specifically unnethack earlier

>>149546029
I prefer futa demons

crawl devs are going to remove book amnesia

>>149546896
I swear to god I will kill the shit out of pleasingfungus if he merges that branch with master.
How the hell else will I forget corona at XL 1 and pretend I am playing a good class.

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>dis 5
>vault
>implying there's any loot inside
>implying any sane player will open the door

>>149547284
Do it. You know you want to.

>>149547284
$10 says the stairs are in there.

>>149547284
Doorboxes are the fucking stupidest shit.
It's like an Angband vault, but worse, and not in a game with instant teleport.

How bad is -5 slaying?

>>149548897
Pretty bad. Lowers your effective damage by a ton.

>>149549009
Well, for me right now it seems somewhat manageable, but its effects are fairly noticeable. I think I'd do better without it on the artifact as its benefits aren't too big for me at this point.

>>149548897
Absolutely unmanageable if it is early and you want to hit things.
Still quite bad post DLO completion.

>>149534145
>Pretty much every fight was maneuver enemy into corridor/killhole, quaff speed, possibly use _curing or _teleport, be disappointed at crappy drops
IIRC you start to use staves of Destruction to break of LoS better too

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No dragon hides except a god gifted poison dragon armour and abyss 3 took forever, but hey I finally got a formacid win
c:

>>149551440
swda is the ringmail of dragon armors, anon

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Am I doing it right?

>>149553048
ALLAHU AKBAR.
Also probably a good idea to < now.

How do i get the playermons tile for Bai suzhen's dragon form? I can only manage to edit in the rc the base form.

>>149553296
tile_player_tile = tile:MONS_BAI_SUZHEN_DRAGON

What's something solid to play in DCSS that doesn't rely on o and tab spam.

>>149554125
>something to play in DCSS that doesn't use autoexplore

doesn't exist

i guess you can worship qazlal and then instead of exploring the level you just stand on the up staircase while your loud as fuck thunderclouds wake up everything on the level and bring them to you

>>149554229
One day i'll find both the singing sword and shield of gong
Then get shoutitis
And become the loudest motherfucker there is

>>149553862
>tile_player_tile = tile:MONS_BAI_SUZHEN_DRAGON
My nigga, thanks.

As a Deep Elf Conjurer, does Sif Muna have any benefits over Vehumet, or is Vehumet bar none the best?

>>149556572
Are you playing stable or trunk?

>>149554125
mumo
secret tech is to press o and tab once your skills have reached critical mass

>>149556696
Stable (0.18)

>>149556891
Sif's channeling is still quite good, but it requires invoc investment. Book gifts are a lot later than spell gifts and free +Wiz>Miscast protection for most of the game.

I would just go with Veh, or pick a god that's actually good like Ashenzari.

>>149556779
>once your skills have reached critical mass
Good luck reaching that point~

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>>149539536

>excited to try new OWH
>check steam
>listed release date pushed back to august 31
k ;_;

>>149557801
It's gonna be shit anon.
It really is.
It's a mercy they gave you a month to lower your expectations and forget your hopes.

>>149557870
You must be fun at parties.

>>149557937
How rude.
For caring about a fellow anon and telling him to deflate his great sack of dreams?

>>149557801
there's that one post on steam community or something where a guy writes a wall of text about why it's going to be shit
sadly, it's legit criticism, don't get your hopes up

it's a shame really, OWH+ is really fucking cool game

>>149558729
what is owh

>>149559649
one way heroics, but don't worry about it
it has a mechanic to store items from a winning character's inventory and start with them on the next guy so it is Not A Roguelike

>>149559649
one way heroics, read the pasta in the OP
nice looking anime roguelike with great OST, actual story and a twist - it's a sort of side scroller

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>>149559649
Owl Herder
Best damn roguelike I've ever played.
The gameplay was good, but damn- the story nearly brought me to tears.
>tfw you gave a hoot

>>149558729
Link, I looked around and didn't see anything.

>>149559943
I don't have it, sorry, check the archives

>>149559943
http://steamcommunity.com/app/409000/discussions/3/350533172679322728/

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>>149559809
I wish more roguelikes would feature owls.

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>>149560212
>all this doomsaying to say that there's traps and he doesn't like them and the twinking feature isn't as good
>assuming loading issues on a fucking vita will be present on a pc game
>taking issue with more monsters not being tab-tier
Opinion discarded.

>>149560574
random traps that you can do nothing to detect/avoid are shitty, and anyone who isn't a retard knows this

and the complaint isn't "monsters are too strong", it's "monsters with spears can hit you (and potentially oneshot you) when you can't see them"

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>>149560716
>attack direction
>any trap in that tile is immediately destroyed 100% of the time
>"n-nothing I could do"

>walk into no line of sight zone
>surprised when you get attacked by things you can't see

>>149561032
If you actually read the thread you would notice that the guy you are disparaging responded regarding the (very bad) first point you are making.

The second point you are making is also very bad. It's not like monster detection in OWH is Angband-tier in the first place.

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>>149561176
>"y-your points are bad but I won't say why"

>>149561268
I did say why your points (not your posts) were bad, greentexter.

Your post quality speaks for itself. If you are having trouble reading, you should head back to /s4s/, I hear they are more light on the text portion of posts.

>>149560363
baby birds are fucking horrifying

>>149559809
lol

>>149560363
>kill me, it hurts to live

>>149560363
Owls are so often poorly represented in video game media.
It's a damned crime.

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>>149561446
>>you can detect and disarm by attacking
>"y-yeah but look at this forum thread though"
>>walking into places you can't see monsters is dumb
>"y-yeah but that's a very bad point t-though this is not angband haha"
I don't think you said anything at all my friend. Original OWH and+ already have you play extremely careful when you assume monsters exist but you can't see them.

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Thank you fellow elven shopkeep

>>149561776
Having to reduce your movement speed by 50% in a game where the primary gimmick is "keep moving or this wall of destruction will end you" seems like a good idea to you?

I cast darkbolt

>>149561969
Are elves the jews of fantasy?

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>>149561969
>falling for elvish tricks

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>>149562604
Who is this tiny-chinned man?

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>>149562604

You just had to jinx it. Good thing I brought a cancellation with me

>>149548897
like having a constantly corroded weapon but slightly worse

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>>149563496

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How do i reach Lichdom as a Troll?
For far too long hunger has been an issue, now it is time to truly become the perfect race!

>>149563496
is that the worst item in the game? holy shit

>>149566434
Yes. It's a standart.

>>149565750
do they fuck

>>149565750
worship chei
grind pan for ages to make up for your terrible apts in necro/tmut
realize by the time you're done you've picked up enough permafood such that hunger is irrelevant

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All of this on D8.
Is this a trunk thing? Never seen that layout before.

>>149568380
Looks like a Xom's chess board vault.

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Is this the right place for Unreal World?
If it is i need a few tips:
I would like for my first game to be a comfy fishing life, but every time i spawn in a fishing area i don't have any tools or i'm just stranded.
Also alot of the shops don't sell the tools i need to build a house.
Is there some critical crafting that i'm missing or do i actually need to spend months travelling around to buy tools to build a proper house?

>>149570049
Basically the traveling life. Sorry. At least you will have oppurtunities to find better spots.

>>149571518
So you're saying i should travel alot to buy shit?
Should i settle on the outskirts of a town?

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First time I see one of these

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*** LOW HIT-POINT WARNING ***

>win dcss once
>never want to play again
I often feel alone

>>149577665
Well, you can mod it so it's more fun to play.

>>149578125
or play a good, real roguelike that doesn't have to be modded

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p10 bump

>>149574691
Troll Wizard of Chei? Goofiest build found!

>>149578697
Meh, dcss is honestly the third best roguelike. df is best and nethack is 2nd. Everything else ranges from shit to somewhat playable.

>>149581461
actually, Sil is best roguelike

personally I would rate IA and Brogue somewhere in the top 5-10

if only incursion wasn't abandoned...

>>149581703
Brogue is a good example of a non-real (and shit) roguelike. It could only make top-5 because everything else is shit, too.
Sil is just shitty-angband.
Then again I wouldn't expect good taste from someone who likes IA.

>>149581461
Those are some spicy opinions, m8.

>>149582073
sil has the best AI in entire genre
this alone makes it top3 becasue AI is important

>>149582073
brogue would be gr7 if pender just
!!!!! REMOVED !!!!!
the ally system

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>>149520678
underrated post desu

>>149581461
I obviously get nethack, I never had the patience to get into DF so I won't comment on that, but what on earth is your reasoning behind dcss?

>>149582073
>Sil is just shitty-angband.
I don't think you have ever played Sil, you awful troll.
Probably the same goes for half the other roguelikes you've mentioned.

>>149582792
it has tiles and i can play it with my mouse

>>149583283
I know you're not that anon but yeah, I had a giggle m8.

I'm worshiping Ru. I'm at *****. piety and can use Apocalypse. Ru is asking for another sacrifice. Is there any benefit to sacrificing more?

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what the fuck am i supposed to do about this

>>149584359
Improves the power of your invocations.

>>149584432
nnnl>r{letter assigned to ?tele}
alternatively
3336

>>149584434
Thanks

>>149584432
they can't trample. stairdance the shit out of them and abuse the 1-tile corridors in D plus your VS regen to kill them

>>149584565
i'm just gonna go back to the dungeon and hope they're somewhere else when i come back. i do have a bunch of fear scrolls at least

>>149582792
It isn't too grindy like *bands, while having slightly better difficulty scaling than *hacks. It has a lot of content without being ridiculously bloated, and the RNG variance, while it could be slightly better, is still pretty good. Races and classes aren't as balanced as they could be, but they are typically a lot more interesting than in most (but not all) other roguelikes, too. Overall, it's a good balance of content and difficulty without turning into pure grind.

>>149584704
>hope they're somewhere else when i come back
Hahahahahahhahahhha.
No. The monsters only care about you. At most their positioning will be slightly different.

>>149584950
that's what i mean, i'm assuming they'll just wander away from the entrance eventually

>>149584905
my biggest issue with dcss is that oftentimes it doesnt matter what class you pick and only your race matters

>start as an assassin
>want to be all sneaky peaky like
>RNG throws certain items at me
>end up as full AC faggot with executioner axe because RNG

this kills what i like most - actually fulfilling the role I want to play aka RP

Oi, I need a way to kill the town watch in nethack wihtout penalty, I accidentally angered them by mining a hidden door and I desperately need to convert their altar

>>149585534
So basically disabling the ability to learn certain skills by certain races/classes?
Why do you hate freedom?

>>149585534
>RP
get out

>>149585712
you can always compensate that with let's say abilities each class automatically learns with more XP
one day I will remake this whole skill system and create the ultimate roguelike

>>149585534
Classes not mattering much works very very well for DCSS gameplay-wise.
If anything was class-locked the game would be much worse off for it.
The races are generally distinct enough that they make up for this lack of post-DLO distinction.

why does the canadian dcss server utilize a facebook level 'accent' text?
it's more akin to scottish or something, also retarded

>>149585907
remember to keep wanderer so people who don't care what role they play can still enjoy the game
>implying you will ever do this

>>149585712
>every character should be able to do everything
I don't entirely agree with this design philosophy.

>>149586020
cjr is a meme server.
If you connect via ssh it's fine though.

>>149586020
edit your rc

>>149586264
tell this to dcss devs

I want to see someone autistic enough, to do every combo possible and end up winning it as a full STR AC Trog worshipper and slap it to devs face, maybe they would finally finish their Magnus Opum and go Brogue style, no race, no class, just @

>>149586805
>Magnus Opum
Eat dog eat world out there

>>149586805
When Sage was going for greater ogre way back when I remember most of his characters ending up as Trog/Oka/maybe Makh worshipping GSC wielders regardless of starting class. I think that was what really showed me how meaningless class in DCSS was.

>>149586805
>>149586998
i'm dying

>>149587023
and why I personally can't enjoy it
I can understand people liking it, but I simply can't, there has to be some sort of a role to fulfill
maybe I'm just autistic and look for particular self-insert scenarios, I don't know

>>149586805
well then why not instead of "just @" you automatically start as MiBe since it continues to prove to be most OPTIMAL™ way to play this fucking game?