/evog/ - Evolve General

Do not pick Lazarus you fuckheads edition

Thoughts on wraith being on rotation?

Training should have every character and perk unlocked
I want to test out Crow, Lennox, and Cabot to see if they're worth buying damnit

>>149410626
crow and lennox are worth, cabot is not

HOW IN THE FUCK DO YOU BEAT KRAKEN?

EVERY GODAMN FUCKING MATCH THEY RAPE US BLIND

JUST FLY AT MAXIMUM HIGH AND SPAM SHIT ALL DAY WHILE NO ONE CAN PUT DECENT DAMAGE ON THEM

>>149411213
Harpoon them.
Shoot them.

>>149411101
Fucking scalies. How could anyone get off to the idea of removing a wraith's armor and licking her massive body all over, nibbling her neck and kissing her long tentacles? Only another monster would think about her cute mouth and tongue wrapped around a thick cock slick with her saliva, pumping in and out of her mouth until it erupts, the cum more than enough for her to reach stage 3.
The idea of thick viscous semen overflowing, dribbling down her jaw over her busty chest, her big claws scooping it all up and watching her suck it off is just horrible. You're all a bunch of sick perverts, thinking of spreading her smooth veiny thighs, cock poised at the entrance to her pure, tight, virginal pussy, and thrusting in deep as a whimper escapes her teeth which are slippery with cum, while her large body shudders from having her cherry taken in one quick stroke.
It is truly nasty how you'd run your hands all over her body while you violate her, feeling her breast ridges hardening against your tongue as you lick her chest and her neck, savoring the scent of her skin and sweat while she trembles from the stimulation and as she reaches her climax, hearing her cry out softly as she has her first orgasm while that cock is buried deep inside her, pulsing violently as an intense amount of hot cum spurts forth and floods through her freshly-deflowered pussy for the first time, filling her womb only to spill out of her with a sickening squelch. And as you lie atop her flushed body, she sighs breathlessly and her claws dig into your back as she feels your cock hardening inside her again.
You're all sick in the head.

>>149411268
>HARPOON
THEY JUST FUCKING AA AND SNAP IT PLUS HARPOON DOESN'T BRING DOWN A HOVERING KRAKEN

>>149411213
Stop being Lennox.

>>149411429
Harpoon it again. Just keep doing it so they have to knock it off. Just keep going.

EU servers dead?

>>149411213
Jack can push the kraken out of the air by angling his repulsor above it.

What perks do you take on Markov?

I'm thinking either all damage or Damage/Damage/Reload

>>149411932
>>149411614
>harpoon it which does nothing to stop the high altitude perma flight or have jack orbital drop from the pillar of fire so he can angle down

>>149411429
Harpoon it from behind, not from the direction that its already attacking

>>149412079
Just Harpoon it.

>>149412118
it's hugging the fucking dome with its back, there is no ass to attack

>>149411932

Le epig meme

>some 20 hour shitter whines about balance

http://steamcommunity.com/app/273350/discussions/0/352788917753921475/

what a fucking goldmine if you're looking for retards to laugh at

>>149412207
>Play Crow
>Kraken tries to be distant all the time and take cover
>We play the same game
>I just keep charging my shots to slowly drain it permanently
>Forced to come close
>We unleash everything we have and it dies

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Fuck this cunt, nerf when

flame goliath is just a better version of goliath? any refund tokens?

>>149412830
Last Thursday and next Tuesday.

She's not even OP, it's just that monster players aren't used to losing.

>>149413235
Don;t refund or they will ban you

>>149413456
What changed/will change, exactly?

>>149413632
Next week
https://talk.turtlerockstudios.com/t/balance-patch-estimated-7-26/94259

What already happened
http://steamcommunity.com/games/273350/announcements/detail/609493948032159746

>>149413632
shield burst and shield drone cooldown. It'll pretty much gut her completely and she'll fall to the same level as Bucket/Kala.

>>149413773
>Bucket
Bucket will be better after this.

Just like Rogue Val is the only good medic Hank will be the only really good support. Piss poor balance team.

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>>149413724
>Drone Cooldown increased to 6 from 1

Oh boy thank god

That drone is fucking annoying, on top of everything you need 3 basic attacks to destroy it or waste a cooldown just for her to drop another one right after. Then it doesn't help that it shields literally half their HP

Reminder that this game flopped because of its awful writing

hunters have easy mode. they respawn and game tells them where im at 24/7

>>149414896
what story though

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>someone picks laz
>you tell them to pick something else
>"LOL BRO LAZ IS GOOD"
>everyone fucking dies and Laz doesn't revive anyone

BRO LAZ SO GOOD BRO FUCK THIS SHIT GAME

>mfw people still don't know the most OP perk for monster

You guys are SHIT LUL

>>149415360
>what story though

That's kind of my point

It's all really bad character dialogue. All of the male characters are dumb and simple and all of the female characters are overly serious and annoying "I KNOW DA SCIENCE" types

>>149415612
what is it

>>149415570

I feel like they nerfed Laz. His "fast revive" isn't fucking fast at all.

>>149415612
But I've been running feeding speed, and slow claws for awhile

>>149415714

Did you run into Kala? Shes the shitest character

Caria is just a nerd

>The gorgon uses Mimic
>right after the Torvald mortared its position
>just as cabot starts damage amping
>every mortar hits
I never thought I'd see that assault do that much damage, holy shit
He lost like 2.5 bars of health instantly

So I've been doing some testing with torvald. When played sorta like a parnell with animation canceling and good tracking he can dish out a hell of a lot of damage but it requires you to have a fully retarded monster.
Even when played at his best I can't see why you wouldn't just play Parnell.
>>149415570
Laz is good.

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>>149416156
>Laz is good

I fucking LOVE the Kraken. Why is it such an underplayed monster?

>Play Medic
>Shitty team just runs in circles while i desperately dodge the monster for the whole match
>Monster eventually gets to stage 3 and is able to get me down

>Play as support
>do crazy amounts of damage while shielding on CD
>Medic runs behind a wall and dies because I cant shield them

>Play Hunter
>I know where the monster is the whole match
>team flanking to catch the monster constantly lets it sneak by them even though its fucking marked on the map
>Focus on slowing the monster in fights but our medic just stands in a corner and dies

>Play Assault
>Whole team is absolute trash and does nothing
>I still manage to punch every monster to death quick enough to win

I was trying to carry as Val for the longest time. Guess Lennox is the true carry.

>>149416557
Because Elder is better

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>>149415612
>Implying I don't know that climbing faster is the most important thing

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>When you play Lennox and shrek a Goliath so hard he quits

>>149413724
>All of these Hunter nerfs
>All of these Monster buffs

I get it, in their office they body their expert monster players over and over. Hunters have the advantage.

They really don't seem to understand that the majority of their playerbase just can't hang with the skill differential required between Monster and Hunter. Hunters have to be significantly better at the game than the Monster to even stand a chance as soon as the Monster player hits a basic level of knowing how to play.

People are just not good enough at this game and are NEVER going to get good enough to be able to cut it against the current monster design. They're going to go right back into the dead-game slums with no players if they keep scaring off their new hunters like this.

Monsters are too easy to play at the beginning compared to Hunters. They seriously need to revert the Monster power scaling to where 1 is weak as shit and 3 is overwhelming so shit monsters make it to power mode less, or make the skills combo or something where missing a combo makes you perform like garbage but hitting them consistently like a good player makes you body hunters

>>149416257
He is. You fuckbois just don't like him because he leads to dropped domes which wouldn't be a problem if you guys knew when to dome and didn't panic dome whenever you see a monster.

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198116892109

this guy is a faggot pedophile

>>149417605
Quitting is actually beneficial because he doesn't lose his win streak.

that's how people go 30+ wins

>>149418227
It feels just as good knowing that not only did you smash the scary winstreak but it wasn't real to begin with and you made the guy rage quit to keep his number.

>>149418072
No that character is shit.

He can't heal and this game is currently about survivability. Picking up dead people is fucking useless because they should not be dead to begin with. That is the problem.

If he picked up dead people and they took 33% less damage for 30 seconds with 20% movespeed or something so the entire plan with a Laz on your team is seriously to just suicide into the monster and die and if the monster knows whats up and doesn't kill you you just blast its ass while it derpvisions after Laz, then he might be good. But currently he's a shit design that doesn't work with their current game.

GOLIATH VS FLAME GOLIATH?

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What are the best perks for a gorgon? I've been using silver+gold cooldowns

>>149418630
I always use at least gold cooldown on every monster. It's too fucking good.

>>149418624
Meteor Goliath is significantly better.

>>149418630
I like the rightmost design but the one we got is the best I think. I like that all of the monsters look eerily humanoid.

As Abe once said
>What the fuck, am I crazy or does that Wraith have tits?

>>149418907
I assume all of the monsters are just Kala's gone full hulk then

>>149418072
>drop a really good dome
>it falls before the monster takes health damage because Laz can't keep people alive
>monster escapes

>wait to drop the dome
>the monster kills someone because Laz can't keep people alive
>dome disabled, hunter incapacitated
>monster escapes

>>149418624
>>149418821
What he said. Meteor Goliath is just far better. You know what he loses in exchange for more damage? Practically nothing.

I've won about 60 games of meteor goliath in a row now, where I'm only about twenty-five out of thirty-something on normal Goliath. That's not because I play meteor goliath better, that's for sure.

Is gorgon any good?
Or did it get nerf'd like everything else?

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>>149419301
Regular golaith actually has superior damage. meteor goliath just has a longer traversal, more health and armor, larger aoes and a longer charge.

The larger aoes and longer traversal are the big things that make meteor goliath better

>>149419696
Gorgon is probably the lowest skill ceiling and most pub stompy Monster along with Wraith, so yes. You should have a 90%+ winrate with it.

The occasional good hunter team will make you try a little harder.

>>149418227
>Quitting is actually beneficial because he doesn't lose his win streak
How? Quitting counts as a loss

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>tfw you have to buy all the monster cooldown perks because you can't get them by leveling
>and they cost a shit ton of keys

>>149420576
Meaty's DoTs add up to more damage overall, don't they?
It definitely felt like they did after he stopped being free and I switched to OG.

>>149420576
Nah. Normal goliath has higher base damage, but that doesn't matter since the burn does more damage in total anyway. Goliath only does more damage if you're hitting everyone with every ability in a row. Which tends not to happen.

When do rotations rotate? Any word on the next hunters/monster?

>>149421056
>>149421173
They do actually. 40dps a second every five seconds.

Auto attacks also dont apply the dot and the dot does not stack

For reference with both of the claw perks youre adding 69 damage a seconds

>>149421332
Every Friday or Saturday, I think.

No info yet.

>tfw you can't decide to buy kala or M goliath

>>149421430
Oh so it just reset last night or something? Shit son I only just started playing yesterday.

>>149421707
>buy kala
Dont you EVER fucking think about buying her. She is borderline the worst support and offers nothing to the team. M goliath is actually usable and wont make people leave the game immediately unlike monster bitch

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>>149421056
>>149421173
>>149421356
Also, since the dots dont stack, chaining your abilities with moliath might produce less dps than ability chaining with goliath

After crunching the numbers. The standard charge/leapsmash/flamebreath combo that you can hit very reliably, adds up to a whopping 1307 damage for goliath and 1249 for moliath

This also takes place over 2-3 seconds so moliaths burn tick hits two to three times for 80-100


Which means that yes, moliath does. ALWAYS do more damage than goliath. In addition to having his longer leap, larger aoes, more health and armor.

Goliath buffs WHEN

>>149421707
Kala's utility is non-existent if the hunters could not coordinate or capitalize on it.

>>149422015
Yeah, last rotation was Slim/Sunny/Maggie/Blitz Markov which kicked more asses than the current one.

>>149421707
Kala is complete garbage, get her if you want to waste keys and lose games. MG is neat

>>149422060
Also meteor's breath is about twice as effective.

>>149413773
kala is just so fucking annoying. I'm always tempted to quit whenever I see a Kala or and Abe, but I don't because I don't want to be a dick.

>>149422249
Its the same damage over a longer duration. Flame breath is the one thing goliath has over moliath because youre not sitting there staring like a dumbfuck twice as long for the same damage.

Its just shines for wildlife cooking because its super long, same deal for sunny drone and mines/poons

>>149422395
>Abe
Why's that?

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CAN THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN DO IT

>>149421707
Meteor Goliath is actually a good character. Kala is literally worst girl.

>match found
>you get monster
>enemy team is lennox, griffon, rogue val, and sunny
to dodge, or not to dodge, that is the question

>>149415761
>>149415726
>>149417537

All incorrect.

You'll never guess what it is scrubs.

>>149422489
fucking tracker darts man. I'm pretty sure that those things slow, and they're fucking annoying.

>>149422957
enlighten us then, sensei

>>149422957
it's obviously smell range

Behemoth when

>>149422472
That's the thing though, you can hit the entire enemy team with the range on meteor's breath, where it's pretty shitty in general for normal goliath. Plus the added never having to use anything else to kill wildlife.

On meteor you peek around a corner, hit the entire hunter team for 20% of their health with little risk. Or you hit a shield generator or field of mines from long range. On normal goliath its only use is for hitting people who are using all their fuel to fly high, apart from that you're better off just using your fists of fury.

alright. should I buy Meteor goliath, Gorgon, or a hunter? I've heard pretty good things about M goliath, but I kinda want to try something new with the monsters. Assuming that the only good monsters are goliath/M goliath, kraken/E kraken (who's expensive as fuck by the way), and wraith, I'll probably get a good assault/support/medic.

>>149423426
Get whatever role you have most fun playing, obviously.

>>149423426
Gorgon's pretty good too. The spider trap disable anything the hunter has, so you acid spitting the hunter inside usually leaves them with near-zero health left.

Definitely one of the harder monsters to play, though, for trap placement alone.

>level 39 as Abe

After I get his skin I never want to play abe again

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>>149422595
SO
CLOSE

>>149423178

It's the smell range perk, he's correct.

>>149423067

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>>149424203
>>149422595
is this some sick joke

>>149419213
>>149418543
>Laz can't keep people alive
spotted the shitters.

>>149426893
back to r/evolve for you.

ded thread

>>149427653
your next line is ded game

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>>149427653

anyone want to join on discord and maybe play evolve together

https://discord.gg/DSYW8Ae

>>149428009
sad

>>149423426
I just got meteor goliath
why didn't I get him sooner

>>149428009
You'll get there anon, I believe in you

I have never played a game where the lowest tier character (Torvald) is this fucking shitty. If someone goes kraken you just auto lose if you wind up with a torvald.

>>149428767
Kraken tends to win regardless, but honestly I just can't play him or elder kraken as a monster player.

He's supposed to be stupid overpowered but I'm just not seeing it. I must be missing something. Someone needs to tell me how 2 kraken.

>Cheesing a stage 3 Kraken for ~45 minutes by dancing and camping by the pedestal in Orbital Drilll
>With a Rogue Val/Tech Sgt. Hank/Lennox(me)/Abe team
I almost felt bad for him, the 3 times he did go ham I just fisted his shit in and throughout the entire thing I was popping mines so much and T.Hank & R.Val were keeping us up so well that he was lowkey accusing us of cheating "No way she can heal that much". also the Abe nades really fucked with his lightning strike. Possibly the best team against Kraken on that map with that strat, except maybe switch Lennox for Blitz.

Of course when the time finally went to the last 5 seconds he quit lol.

I think I'm done with the game, my friends are just the average evolve players so my premades don't do any better than randoms and this game is plain and simple too hard for most of their target audience.

Monsters are just too easy to play honestly. And yes, I've played Monster. I haven't lost a single match and I noticeably suck at it.

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>>149428767
Torvald is in a really bad spot though hes getting changed in 3~ days so his mortars are less dogshit

Ive been on the forums and I swear the only reason he hasnt been buffed sooner/more is one fucking console Autist who named himself after the character and shows off tons of stage1 footage telling people to gitgud whenever they show off how subpar he is

>want to buy/try Hyde, Lennox
>as well as Griffin, Abe, Crow
>as well as Cabot and Hank
>only 10k keys

WHAT DOOOOOO

So yeah, I just got one of those founder's keys people talk up here and there, if you don't wanna grind characters get that shit ASAP.

Like $12 and I got all the monsters, damn near every hunter and then the 30k keys they give you on top of everything is enough to get like the small handful not included, minus maybe 1-2 so just pass on Kala I guess.

>>149429453
Lennox/Crow/Hank/Abe first your choice
the rest are ok-iffy at best

>>149429453
spend a massive 10 bucks for a founder key

>>149418630
I hope the Gorgon variation that will come sooner or later will have on of the other models

>>149429128
Fly all day every day.
Ignore aftershock, it deals good damage but welcomes the Assault to pound your ass.
Spam banshee mines, they are easy to kill but in high tension moments it gives very good distraction and generally just gives more shit for them to shoot at.
Do not miss your skills, this seems obvious but it's vital for you to land almost all of your skills. Your weak-ass health provide you little room for fucking around.

>>149418630

No other way to play Gorgon IMO.

70% winrate here

>>149429610
Well actually scratch that, all the monsters minus Gorgon (Yes behemoth too), who again if you want them is just like a click away when they give you the boatload of keys to blow.

>>149428531
I feel kinda bad playing meteor goliath over normal goliath really. I had someone tell me he was impressed with how good I was while playing meteor goliath last game and my only reaction was 'No, not really, this monster is just pretty strong, if I was playing normal goliath this wouldn't be so easy'.

Maybe it's an exaggeration, but it really seems like you need to be good to win with normal goliath and you need to spam your abilities to win with meteor goliath.

>>149429721
>10 bucks

Key sites I checked don't have it for that cheap. Is there an official place to buy it or were you hinting that key sites are the only place?

>>149430425
i used g2a and got it for something like 11 bucks

>>149429453
you can get hyde as a login reward and cabot is shit

>>149430470
so what exactly does that get me if I go to g2a and snag one of those right now?

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Not long now.

>>149430223
It's not an exaggeration, Normal Goliath takes real effort and is actually respectable, as is Behemoth.

Everything else at this point? Overly easy garbage that just runs hunter players off to find better games.

The skill difference required for good play between Hunters and Monsters is so skewed that it's kind of fucking the game up at this point.

I literally got bored of 100% win rate on Monsters and start playing Hunter, and it's ridiculous how much I can see people trying but it just isn't good enough because the average Monster is playing almost optimally because there's just that much less involved with playing the Monster.

>>149430716
moliath, kraken, e.kraken, wraith
markov, barkov, hyde, parnell
maggie, waggie, griffin, e.griffin,abe
val, r.val, laz, caira
hank, tech hank, bucket, cabot
30k silver keys, and a bunch of badge emblems, along with all future variations of characters.

Return of Behemoth when
He's the only monster I really like

>>149429376
I hate "No one is bad, it's all the player"/"You just haven't seen a good one :^)" fags so much. Sure there's hard characters in video games but sometimes you have to recognize facts and admit when something is just shit.

>>149431217
>>149429376
this reminds me of that guy who played pichu in melee and beat people using a modded memory card that buffed pichu

>>149431426
What a cheeky cunt.

>>149429128
Kraken benefits from fighting in favourable terrain more than any other monster in the game.

You want to get domed in the shittiest terrain possible so the hunters have to constantly waste jet fuel and time just to engage you while you're just floating over all the bullshit. The actual terrain you're looking for depends on what hunters there are and what hinders them the most.

>>149430721
Yeah, keep nerfing Hunters and giving the Monsters buffs. See how low that shit can go.

This is what they get for not putting the effort in to make the Monsters not feel like horse shit to play against.

>>149431079
>Along with all future variations of characters

Jesus christ, when are they gonna start cracking down, because with how fast people are jumping on the keyseller train they aren't gonna have a chance in hell at monetizing anything unless they hire on a visual design guy and start making some actual skin-skins over recolors or something.

>>149431859
if they started selling a "totally not founder pack" that was something like that they would be a-okay
but as of right now they're making zero money off of the game

>>149430721
You do realize that's how this shit goes when big, especially F2P rebrands happen right. Every spergoid retard and their cadre of pals try it out once or twice then leave forever, it dips from a spike, then evens out lower. Like I 100% guarantee, would bet money on, that it's at the very least never gonna even approach what it was before, it's damn near impossible for a steam F2P game to flounder that hard, even the most obscure of chinese MMOs and shit.

>>149431859
they may be planning reset all accounts once the game comes out of '''beta'''

>>149432037
dont give him (you)s, he post it in every thread multiple times

>>149432054
To be honest they got enough assblasted people just from the F2P wipe, I know they're not staffed by super geniuses but they're probably gonna be a lot more careful to not go overboard on all the new converts and turn-arounds on the game too fast.

>>149432054
What did you say? They're planning to reset the game's playerbase back to 100?

>>149432037
Yeah, 200 peak like before is too low. but with how it's going to end up since it has no new player retention WHATSOEVER it'll easily end up at sub 2k if not around 1k~ which is unsustainable

>>149431079
>30k
I thought it was 3k
aka 'it's fucking nothing'

>>149432140
That's the first time I've ever said anything of the like duder, if there's someone else doing it too then woo, because that's how it's gonna happen. It's never gonna have a giganto massive playerbase, but the gimmick's enough to hold more than 200 fuckin people when it's free.

>>149432292
It was 3k initially, then after people unanimously said 'lol what' they scrambled and made it 30k.

>People angry in Russian or some shit at me in after game lobby
Real embarrassing.

>>149432310
Actually woops I'm retarded, sorry, I misread how that was directed.

how do we fix Slims spore launcher?
>it prevents the monster from smelling you
thats bs. while the monster in-universe can't detect you, the player of the monster works with his visual sense behind the screen.
the spore launcher, as long as the monster stays inside the cloud, should make all team mates invisible

How to beat Gorgon? It seems like all they have to do is roll their face on their keyboard and they win.

I still don't understand how they think new laz is even remotely acceptable with how fucking awful he is. I'd love to see what went through the balance teams minds when they did this.

"Yeah his revivier is too strong, so lets increase the cooldown by 300%, double the time it takes to pick someone up, oh AND have it give strikes to dead players. Lets also make half eaten bodies not be revivable and let's neuter his cloak so that it's no longer actual invisibility and is just a shimmer instead."

It's like someone suggested a list of ways to reduce his toxicity and told them to pick one and the balance team said "Hey these are all great, lets do ALL of them"

>>149433307
Don't get trapped, that's about it. Also, make the effort to not swim in acid and stay.

>>149431660
>more than any other monster in the game

Thats behemoth

why did they take behemoth out of the game? it'd be understandable if he was overpowered, but he was pretty bad from what I've heard. they didn't need to remove him to fix him.

>>149433927
i would argue that they removed him because they didnt want new players to spend their keys on a worse than useless character, but torvald is still purchasable

>>149433927
Preemptive solution to "BEHEMOTH UP I'M QUITTING" fags that'd swarm the forums.

>>149434039
Honestly today I've been seeing people land Torv mortars like crazy and do work, not even on full retard monsters. Like I'm not arguing he's not in a bad place, because he really obviously is, but if the stars align he can at least work in passing.

>>149433927
he needs a serious buff to be even slightly playable.

i'd vote for heavily increasing his abilitys damage.

>>149434234
yeah, he has been seeing more play by people who understand how he works so he has that going
the buffs next week are a good start, but it's clearly not enough

>its a medic literally cant do jack shit to keep themselves alive episode

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>find albino
>'noice, a little benefit will help us win'
>can't find the pixel to click to achieve bonus

>>149434763
you mean a lazarus episode

>>149434786
lazarus is probably the most survivable of all medics.
the moment a monster even looks in his direct he can cloak and fuck off.

>>149434786
it was a caira
if i see lazarus i just leave, not dealing with that shit

>>149434763
That tends to be support/tracker's job to keep medic alive with movement impairments.

>>149434842
Cloak is pretty shitty. It only works if you're cloaked before you get into trouble. If you cloak and the monster is already coming at you then a good monster will still know where you are anyway.

>>149434842
>cloak stops monster shitting on him

>>149434881
i wasn't playing support or tracker and the medic literally didn't do anything, not a single dodge, not trying to los the monster (it was a kraken) or absolutely anything like that, she would die in seconds every fight

>>149434926
monster can't shit on you if you're 200m away from the fight leaving all your other comrades to die.

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>>149435034
Who else but Lazarus.

as a trapper main with 200 hours nothing makes me more angry than getting some absolute shitter griffin on our team spamming harpoons from the front and literally not doing a single damn useful thing the entire fight

>>149435360
guilty

>Rolling full on damage perks with Abe against Kraken
Here we goooooooo

>>149433927
I thought it was on account of the maps being too rough for him to traverse, he's a big guy who can't actually jump, has to roll around like a bowling ball. No easy way to move through and hunters are playing pinball with the poor bastard from way out of reach.

>>149436230
>damage perks
>on a shotgun
anon, did you ever stop to think about what 20% of 9 is?

>>149436595
We won but yeah I should've gotten reload or even capacity, makes a lot more sense.

why are all of the monsters aside from behemoth so fucking OP. Like I rarely loose as a monster, and that's when I'm going up against people who are like level 40 or some shit (keep in mind I got the game 2 days ago). We really need some buffs for the hunters

>>149437959
>tfw can never tell if bait or shitter when talking about evolve

>>149437129
Reload is better, get more stasis grenades out faster + the obvious faster reload on shotgun.

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>Picking any assault except le suicidal slav of lightning

Explain your faggotry.

>>149438386
He's kinda boring.
Zap zap zap zap change to assault gun atatatatatat chance to lightning gun zap zap zap zap.

The only interactivity is throwing down random mines, which don't tend to matter much in the current always-fight-at-level-2 game.

So is parnell good? Seems to be the only person I can use that is good against the fucking perma hover krakens

>>149438386
Parnell Is fun and can really take advantage of the people that pick kala or Cabot for whatever reason

has ANYONE been in a match where the monster destroyed the relay? because that shit never happens. By the time you can get to rape the relay everybody's dead, and since if you get shot at you stop attacking the relay, if literally ANYONE is near the relay, you can't do jack shit to it.

>>149438887
I've been, a couple of times. Usually happens when a hunter somehow gets away and is hiding for the dropship to come.

>>149438887
I have destroyed the Power Relay 3 times.

1st as Gorgon
2nd as Wraith
3rd as Kraken

I have lost because the Power Relay was destroyed only once, and that Goliath was scary good.

>>149438796
he is good now, he wont be after his nerf though. So don't bother buying him, a 10% hit to his primary damage source is a massive fucking deal.

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>tfw all the hunter perks I want are aquired from leveling my favorite hunters

>playing monster against a hank and a sunny

wow so fun

>>149438386
Do people even play regular markov or is it just blitz all the time?

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>>149439215
HANK IS ONE OF MY TRIGGER WORDS
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>149439137
Is there just a list of the best ones and how high a level you have to level the characters to somewhere? Or do I literally have to check every single wiki page in order to find out?

>>149433927
I fought a behemoth today. Hes not removed?

>>149439271
I find that Blitz is fucking awful because you can only reach full damage potential by concentrated firing, and the monster can stop that by hurling you away of jumping away himself. Regular Markov might deal less damage than Blitz with full charge, but at least he deals it as a constant.

>>149439380
If you are not going to use the turbo damage off blitz, why not just use hyde if you're going to be that close?

>>149439215
whoops meant the bitch with the healing grenades

>>149439315
go to the profile page, click a character, and it shows their level up rewards.
You can scroll through them.

I didnt realize you could scroll at first too.

>>149439380
regular markov is actually really fuckin' good right now. I run Damage Cap Cap on him, drain the lightning gun, empty the assault rifle and switch back to a nice filled lightning gun to do it all over again with occasional mine replacements after emptying a lightning gun.

>>149439536
it's a new feature they added last patch. scroll didn't exist on launch.

>>149439536
you couldn't before last patch

>>149439471
Because Markov with damage and capacity perks can deal damage way faster than Hyde due to the lightning gun ticking damage faster than the flamethrower. And Markov's mines deal a huge chunk of damage if you manage to get them to go off.

But in the end, Hyde and Markov are fairly even in their damage output, so it really comes down to preference.

Is there no way to get the third tier of defense perk for hunters? Other than buying with keys?

I was gonna go tier 3 defense and tier 2 damage perks. Guess I have to reverse those though.

How good is the wraith compared to the other monsters?

Who is the best medic and why is it caira

>>149439787
Wraith is weirdly balanced.
Certain Hunter compositions literally just insta lose to Wraith.

Also, Wraith is the best monster at stage 1.

What do you do when you did everything right, and as best you can see your team did everything right, with no fuckups, and you still lose? How do you start to improve from that?

I wish we had replays.

>>149439787
Loses really hard to good team comps, particularly sunny but she's getting nerfed hard, and markov's mines are really good against her
Completely fucks bad team comps, but so does every monster
Actually kind of weak against cabot if the players are good, because her health is so low that in the time it takes to work through the medic and shield burst defense you've lost half your health

>>149440146
Speaking of replays, why does it only sometimes show the map and movements after a game?

>>149440725
What, you've had that happen? I haven't seen that once since the f2p switch

>3 fucking server freezes in an hour
>at the relay fight
>when about to win

>>149442181
WHERE DO I COMPLAIN

>>149439340
He's just not available for purchase

>>149433353
Don't forget they are nerfing his damage as well because the spreadsheets say he does too much damage vs afk monsters.

>>149441446
Like, three times in a hundred or so matches it's shown the map and monster-hunter movements over time in the after game lobby.

Maybe there's a key to hit to being it up or something? Maybe it's bugged? I dunno.

>>149442640
god forbid a character designed to punish body camping does too much damage.

>>149433353
In fairness, pre-nerf Laz was unbeatable bullshit for most monsters. You 100% HAD to gun for Lazarus and camp him until he died. And if you didn't get him GG, you're done. Because knocking anyone else down at all didn't matter at all, they were up in a cloaked-instant with no strikes. If the hunter or support stopped you from killing Lazarus? You're done.

He's pretty bad now, yeah, but he was bad the other way before, so it's not as though he's ever been balanced.

This was original beta days, mind you, I dunno how he was on release.

>>149439215
>>149439298
You guys bitch too much, it's not that hard

>>149443380
>I dunno how he was on release

I dont think anyone did. Nobody actually paid for this game.

>>149438887
i destroy it pretty often desu

>>149443521
Makes sense considering how overpriced it was.

>>149443521

I did, he was an annoying cunt

>>149443380
Laz has always been bad, even on release, though he was at least kind of usable and still a threat. The whole point is he is a gimmick character meant to circumvent the meta. That's pretty difficult to balance for, he will always be bad, there isn't really any way to make him work.

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Reminder to leave the lobby anytime someone picks: Torvald, Lazaraus, Slim, EMET, or Kala

Look at the rank and be wary of: Cabot, Waggie, Bucket, Parnell, Jack

>>149444239
How to git gud at Caira?

I always die nearly every dome as her and it makes me want to quit so I can stop failing my team.

>>149443380
the counter to laz is focusing him. Due to the hard nerfs to trappers ability to crowd control and the nerfs to torvalds and lennox's damage, it's pretty much impossible to peel the monster off someone for more than 2 seconds.
If we took 1.0 Laz and put him in stage 2, he'd be pretty okay whereas he was much stronger in the original 1.0 due to how powerful all the other classes were at forcing monsters away or off other hunters.

Simply put Laz was "good" in 1.0 but was overshadowed by everyone else being great which made him look like a god to low/mid ranked monsters since you COULDN'T body camp a downed hunter back then.

Nowadays you can take 1.0 laz, stick him and everything would be fine since all the other classes are fucking awful compared to their 1.0 counterparts.

>>149444372
Sorry what did you say?
Laz is too strong? Nerf the damage as well? Okay got it chef, nefs coming right up!

>>149444465
Spreadsheets of damage data against literally braindead monster players don't lie, Laz must be nerfed.

>>149444465
you forgot to increase the cooldown on his revivifier from 30s to 60s

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>>149444548
>mfw I afk at spawn as monster and hunters get to shoot me in the head and do massive DPS
>the shit devs will look at the statistics and notice that monsters don't survive past 2 min and the headshot dps is very high and nerf both hunters and buff monsters more

Have there been a more incredible situation as TWO of your teammates getting eaten by plants at the same time? When everyone else is down? When the monster is running away?

Fucking cunts.

>>149444645
Why bother? My teammates deny 100% save revives and give my teammates strikes anyway.
Laz is the only medic, where your direct counter is your own teammates fucking each other in the ass.
>le just a game XD XD XD y so mad salty man
even when I scream in mic for them to stop reviving as I am 1m away from the body they still do it.
I imagine the monster is laughing in tears at me when ever he downs people and has to run away he expects people with no strikes and then by stage 3 my team has like 4 strikes that could have been avoided with ease.

>>149444239
you can also add a more to that list since the recent hunter nerfs (tech hank. rogue val can't heal shit anymore except herself, once. maggie is shit, her dog is shit, useless as a tracker, might res someone if the monster is a complete idiot, snares take forever to activate, break if the as much as monster looks at them)

>remember to avoid half the hunter roster

I wonder why the game is dead again

>>149445139
i can't fucking type

>>149445004
I'd be a happy man if I see a Lazarus actually use his glove.

>>149444329
She really isnt that hard to use. A couple tips of advice:

1. Lots of times, monsters just dont know what to do and waste a lot of time if you go up and down a cliff a lot. Sometimes even going up halfway and then boosting backwards can completely throw them off of you. This doesn't work 100% of the time, so you may have to ring around the rosie while putting trust in your teammates to peel him off

2. Get used to staring at the ground because that's what you will be doing a lot. Make sure to keep yourself healed in all the chaos by shooting at your feet.

3. Like I listed in my post, be vary weary of the support pick. Without a support, you will die easily no matter how good you can dodge. Same with the trapper and assault. Sadly, TRS have no fucking clue how to balance and some hunters are LITERALLY useless.

4. Perks I use are
- 5% movement speed (1st perk barely makes a difference no matter what you pick so you can change this)
- 2nd tier reload perk
- 25% capacity
You MUST use reload and capacity perks on Caira. I bought the 25% capacity because it gives me 1 extra nade per reload, and then of course I use reload speed to keep them coming out fast

5. Use the movement boost wisely. Always use it at the start to get a head start on the monster, and then use it in the dome at dire moments.

6. It's always good to put the monster on fire when in the dome with your napalm. Of course, only shoot the monster if everyone is currently ok. Putting it on fire will prevent it from regenerating armor as well as letting you know where it is at all times.

That's all I can think of for now. With R Val nerfs incoming, I think Caira will start to shine as the best medic with her healing potential as long as the player uses her efficiently.

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>>149445343
I would be a happy laz if my teammates didn't sabotage the team by rezing teammates when it's 100% safe for me to do so.
I swear to god people don't normally revive but as soon as they see a laz on the team they will waste all of their jetpack, ignore the monster and just gun it for the fallen teammate just to rez him 0.5 seconds faster then I would have.

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>>149445347
Oh, and the kind anon that made this tier list is 100% correct. This is where hunters stand and I honestly would never play with anyone below tier 2 in pubs.
Just a reminder that nerfs are coming in 2 days and many top tier hunters will become a lot worse


>>149445139
You're definitely correct. It's late and I typed that up really quick

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>>149444863
Fuckin plants man
>last other hunter goes down
>wraith is pretty low on health, respawn is fairly soon, we can do this
>just need to survive for 20 seconds
>have a pretty decent lead, should be doable
>wraith gets line of sight, goes for an abduction
>boost sideways, perfect timing, sail gracefully out of her way
>land on a plant

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>>149445532
Laz, Torvald, and Emet should be in Tier 5: "why the fuck are they even in this game"

>>149445532
How do I effectively Lennox against a Wraith spazzing all over the place like a fucking pinball in a pinball machine?

>>149445532
Sunny Tier 1 > Tier 3, the nerf to drone will pretty much only leave her with a jetpack booster which is very nice, but it's worse than hanks shield

Rogue val 1 > 2, the healing nerfs hurt a lot, but she'll still be a fine pick.

Parnell Tier 2 > 3.5. Parnell is all about burst, and when you lower the damage of the strongest burst part of his kit by 10%, it hits hard

Tech 2 > 3, the nerfs to his shields and shield projector is too hard. no point picking him over regular.

Waggie 3 > 4, she's shit senpai.

Cabot 3 > 3.5, Reducing an offensive supports shield for his team + his primary gimmick capacity is fucking retarded.

Torvald 4 > 3, better mortars that's nice, but need a major velocity increase to actually be reliable.

Kala 4 > 2 in premade, 4 in pubs. She's really fucking good in a premade with good players, recommend pairing with emet for some shenanigans.

Slim 4 > 3 yeah he's fucking bad, but his healing is 30% higher than caira's which means a good slim+hank makes it near impossible to die on anything that isn't a kraken or gorgon.

Laz 4 > 5 No fucking point playing him over any other medic after the blanket nerfs to him.

>>149446020
You get above him.

>>149446112
>Laz 4 > 5 No fucking point playing him over any other medic after the blanket nerfs to him.
What's that? Damage too good? Got it chef, nerfs incoming, I got laz in the pan, one patch chef.

>>149434780
>find small albino critter
>it runs off and disappears into the terrain under its feet in under 3 seconds

>>149438887
a few times, maximum of 5 times or less

one time this motherfucker of a monster got to stage 3 near the other end of the map and then rushed to the relay and destroyed it before any of the hunter team could make their way to the relay

>>149447071
>spawn form the dropship
>drop
>as I am about to hit the ground I go through it
>I am falling through the map now
>WARNING LEAVING BOUNDS message pops up
>WARNING, WARNING
>Dead

What the fuck!?
Why did they not just put me back on the map, they know I am falling through the map and they kill me off?!

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>>149444239

Don't leave, politely ask them to change to a viable character. Emphasis on politely. People are far more likely to cooperate if you ask them nicely.
Additionally, you can gauge their stupidity. A lot of the time people who want to pick Laz genuinely are mouth breathing imbeciles, but sometimes you'll get someone who was just curious, or wanted to switch things up, or is chasing perks. The latter are often willing the switch, the former, however, are likely to be as stubborn as they are retarded.

I have 247 hours put into Lazarus. AMA

>>149447554
How do you handle people reviving teammates when you could have done it 0.5 seconds later with no strikes?

>>149447407
I usually say "[character] is garbage and you should never use them" and wait 20ish seconds. If they don't change I leave

>>149447407
"NAHUITI MEDIC BLYAT" has yet to fail me

>>149447680
You're a lazarus soldier, accept your fate and move on. These weak minded simpletons cannot possibly hope to begin to comprehend our greatness.

>>149447734

Most people will take that as an insult. If you say their pick is garbage they will take it to mean that THEY are garbage. I used to do that too but it was getting me nowhere.
Just ask if they have any other characters, or ask them to pick specific characters. They might respond with something like "Laz is good" or some other retarded statement, just say "ok, but could you please pick Caira or Val". Feel free to tell them how fucking stupid they are if they refuse to change.

>Monster picks wraith
>Stacks speed perks
>No one seems to be able to dome it since it's just too fast

I just leave, Wraith got nerfed but it's still a colossal waste of fucking time.

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So do Slim's grenades actually do ANYTHING now?
In legacy Evolve there was a time when he was the most effective medic and was ridiculously effective, but now his grenades just don't seem to do anything.

>>149448972
they lower the smell range of the monster by 75%. That's it. It doesn't stop health bars or damage numbers from appearing.

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>>149449201

Hahahahahaha oh wow

>>149449201
They didn't even bother to make it a full disable? What is the fucking point unless you can make the effect apply to an entire dome?

>>149446112
>some questionable opinions
>Kala 4 > 2
Opinion completely discarded.

>>149449739
Better yet, the monster has to be in the spore cloud for 2 seconds before the effect kicks in.

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>spend more time looking for games WITHOUT retarded team mates than actually playing the game
>Finally get a game where the medic picks rval and the support picks hank right off the bat
>Pick crow and ready up
>Wasn't paying attention to the Assault
>Everyone's locked in
>It's fucking Torvald
>Monster is Kraken
>mfw

>>149446112
Honestly I think Rogue Val is dropping to t3 or t4, with the new changes she is literally incapable of actually keeping a single person up against a monster sneezing on them occasionally

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Gorgon and Wraith ruin this game. You spend more time chasing them, than actually fighting them.
When you do fight them, you don't even get to actually fight them because it's either Decoy spam or Tiny-Spider spam.

Decoy doesn't hurt too much but the fucking spiders deal way too much damage when they pick you up.

The monster should be a single thing that you just fight like Kraken, Goliath and Behemoth so you're actually fighting it, not its fucking spawn and decoy crap.

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>>149450071
w h y

is there actually any perks that are good to have for any monster, or does it depend on which monster you're playing?

>>149450331
Because spreadsheets say it's toxic and overpowered.
Same as cloak, or laz in general
Remember if a team of highly coordinated players can win against a monster it means the game is unbalanced and more hunters need to be nerfed

>>149450272
You have to shoot the spiders. If someone with a good primary weapon is on the ball you can almost completely negate them. My last game against Gorgon I was bucket, and his rocket launcher kills them in 1 or 2 hits. Unless someone was standing right on top of it when it activated they never got the chance to grab anyone.
Also I'm pretty sure the turrets shoot them.

>>149449826
her dps is comparable to markovs, teleporters allow some real shenanigans, and the armor reducer allows you to chip away at a monsters health bar during the chase.
She's definitely not for pubs or casual premades, but for the vets with excellent map knowledge and an understanding of feeding routes, you can do some real harassment to the monster.

>>149446112
>Sunny Tier 1 > Tier 3

The cooldown is only being increased by 5 seconds, that is not a big enough change to warrant her dropping 2 entire tiers, infact she's probably still in tier 1. Her booster is fucking fantastic and she will still be able to keep her drone up with good placement.

>>149450602
>drone already takes 7 seconds to actually start shielding
>not she needs to wait 5 seconds to actually put a new one down and start the 7 second charge up

Sunnies desu fampai

>>149450602
>Shield drone goes from taking 6 seconds to arm and shield, to 12 seconds
>essentially a 50% reduction in shield uptime
>Tier 1 still

That alone is easily a 1 tier loss. Then her shield burst is being lowered as well. I'd say these two push her down 2 tiers. Why take sunny when you can have a hank with on demand shields and an orbital to forcibly peel the monster off?

>>149450123

>RRRRREEEEEEEEEEEE, THEY ARE NOT PLAYING ONLY 100% META APPROVED CHARACTERS MOMMY MAKE THEM STOOOPPPPPP!!!!!

Jack's pretty cuhrayzee on stopping Wraith's abilities, huh. Shame our Torvald did around 0 damage to it.

>>149450825
>torvald
>damaging wraith

Kek

>>149450602
The cooldown is being increased by "only" 600%
And it already has a 5+ second arming time.
So now if MGoliath breathes fire at it, there are 11 seconds where you're relying on your 4 for defense. Fire Breath is off cooldown now.

And her shield burst is getting nerfed too.
Jetpack booster is great, sure, but her shields are getting reduced by at least 50% and now a good monster can completely negate them.

>>149450786

We lost, because Torvald did literally no damage to the monster.
Fuck off retard.

>>149450786
kill yourself, my friend )

>>149450883
>>149450776
>>149450756

Alright, alright, I get it. I didn't realise it had a 7 second charge up. She's shit now. Calm down.

General is
DEAD
E
A
D

Please just let it die.

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>>149450431
I know, one rocket as Parnell does the trick too which who I usually use if I go Assault.

But that match no one really had anything AoE explosive stuff to take them out with ease, I was spending more time having to shoot the fucking things while flying in the air above them because if I landed they'd wift me away and deal 1/4th of my HP.

Even then at one point the monster manages to shit out two spider eggs. Seriously what the fuck that's stupid as fuck.

Ever since the playerbase dropped from the hype of the free to play model, more and more people are sticking around to pick Wraith & Gorgon and likewise the hunters generally pick whatever is free, so this week is absolute trash to deal with anything.

>>149450852

>torvald
>damaging anything that isn't afk

>>149450937
>>149450967

>giving a fuck about winning in normal hunt
>WITH PUBS

Top kek, you might as well just play ranked. People there will actually give a fuck about winning and queue will be the same (if you keep dodging non-meta picks)

>>149446112
Why wrong with taking Kala in pubs? The teleporter will still work.

>Hank back to being best support
>Until they nerf him too because the monster is UP in the top 0.1%
They wanted to bring their game back but it's going to be dead again before they can make any money off it. These free rotations are also hyper extreme mega cancer, jesus christ.

>>149450786
but we're at the point where the "meta approved" characters are the only ones who stand any chance against a somewhat competent monster, especially in a random public match

Theres a difference between picking non meta and picking literal garbage.

>>149451241
This is so fucking true and I wish people would understand this.

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>competitive hunters are actually so bored theyre using laz and bucket now
>still win 90%+ of their inhouses against competitive monsters


There can be no hope in this hell, no hope at all

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>>149451192
here's a tip for you

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>>149450825
>>149450852
You can do decent damage with torvald if you aren't retarded and take the right perks.
He is still performs worse than other easier to use hunters though.

>>149451610
I run swap with double capacity. Makes your mortar barrages more devastating and allows you to spend time more efficiently with your shotgun cycles.

Alright, it's official, I'm in love with Jack. Lil' nigga stops monsters like no tomorrow and tracks them sanic fast.

>>149451958
your secrets?

>>149452204
weapon swap double capacity.

>>149451610
>You can do decent damage with torvald if the monster is retarded

Fixed that for you

>>149452204
Use Planet Scanner and Satelite thing in alternate. Once both's used Planet Scanner would be pretty close to off-cooldown.

If the monster stops for a split second in dome, it usually means it's going to use an ability real soon. Jump infront of it and repulse its ass. If it's a Wraith trying to abduct/warp blast you, you're pretty much cash, repulse it and he's out of position to do much. If an ally is downed and there's a chance of you not getting destroyed while rezzing, jump near him and guard your ally that's hopefully rezzing said ally.

He's basically reverse Griffin with more self-defense capabilities, you want to jump into danger when repulsor is off-cooldown if the situation allows.

Lastly, most trappers don't seem to realize that planet scanner increases movement speed like Caira's adrenaline boost. Use it like that when in dome.

Jesus shit parnell's shotgun feel worse than Abe's. It's abysmally slow without rage and its spread is so fucking wide.

>>149451192

>playing ranked

No thanks, it takes 15 minute to find a team that don't make shit picks in unranked, in ranked it takes that long just to find a fucking game, never mind what they're picking.

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Should Slim's spore launcher freeze the monster's ability cooldowns while he's in the cloud or would that be OP?

>>149452578
lul jus aim gud parnell op he do most damage many months ago in s tag 1 lol xd scrub

>>149452864

That would be insanely OP. That would be worse than legacy Slim.

>>149452947
How about added time to ability cooldown while in the cloud instead of a straight freeze?

>>149452864
slow that shit down considerably instead of stopping but the cloud would have to be a bit smaller or it would be op as shit in the hands of good players

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>val (me)
>kala
>jack
>torbad
>11 win streak wraith
>monster gets domed 30 seconds in
>kala manages to get monster to last bar of health
>by that time everyone is dead except torvald
>12 seconds to survive, on final silver of health
>monster going for the kill despite being on last silver of health
>everyone watching with dread
>torvald actually survives
>HUNTERS WIN appears as we drop from the respawn
so not only did torvald hold out, he landed that last mortar and 1v1ed a wraith
this doesn't change my opinion of him but my fucking sides

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>>149453140
>Reloader
>Speed Reloader

>>149453102

That sounds cool actually. Would take some careful balancing though.
I'd love to be able to play Slim again.

>>149452864
Freeze is too much, but a straight up debuff % could be cool.

Is capacity worth it on jack? His thing runs out in seconds.

>>149453350
Why the christ did that wraith not pounce

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>25 winstreak with M Goliath

Is he getting MORE buffs?

>>149454960
No, but hunters are getting nerfs across the board

>>149444239
>Be new
>see torvald
>AW SHIT HE LOOKS DOPE
>He is god awful

>>149455150
same with Lazarus

>>149455150

Pretty much every interesting character is garbage. All viable medics are the typical "hold LMB to heal" ones, the only skillshot based assault is garbage and meta supports are all about shield spamming. Also, TRS keeps narrowing the selection of good hunters by nerfing the good ones instead of buffing/reworking the shit ones (plus obligatory lazarus nerfs for a good measure)

>>149455754
>>149455471
>>149455150
Why do they want to kill the game off so badly?
They are trying their best to make it happen, why?

>>149455754
Torvald wouldn't be garbage if it wasn't so easy to bait a cave dome in which he is a worse Abe.

>>149445532
>Bucket
>Not good

Where does this meme come from. He's not oh my god incredible, but bullshit if his "Oh you want all your cooldowns back here you go" isn't a beautiful thing used well. Also as long as you're not a dumbshit and don't clump them all together, his little babby turrets can be nice.

> Hunter meta!!1!

Why do people keep saying this as hunters are nerfed and monsters are buffed?

https://talk.turtlerockstudios.com/t/suggestion-bolster-system-to-alleviate-the-differences-between-premades-and-randoms/94759/24
they did it the absolute madmen

>>149456106
Torvald is garbage in any location. Now if his mortar had any tracking left he'd be a scary motherfucker for monsters.

>maybe we could just buff the few really bad hunters so they'd be a viable choice for nearly every player?
>nah let's just focus on making every hunter fucking garbage by nerfing them to shit
>yeah everyone fucking loves it when everything is nerfed to wimpy limp wristed shit on all sides yay!

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>>149456491
I must be fucking misreading here

Give me a few minutes to go outside and scream

Hank or Tech Sgt Hank?

>>149457512
Let's be honest, how would you balance this game if not by using some cheesy strats like this one?

>low levels: the monster wins most of times
>high levels: hunters win often
>premades wins almost everytime
How do you fix this if not by nerfing premades or something along these lines?

>>149456491
oh for fuck's sake

>>149456491
>anoteros shitposts all the time on steam forums
>got banned
>now shitposting in trs forums and agreeing with game ruining suggestions

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>>149456491
>WAAAH DON'T BE GOOD AT THE GAME

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>>149458041
>t. normie that plays with friends all the time
Feels good not to have friends

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>>149456491
What the fuck?
No seriously what the fuck?
They're actually just straight up cheating in favor of whoever their spreadsheets say should lose the game?
And they don't even think to mention it anywhere. Its just a random tidbit casually tossed into a thread where some retard suggests that very thing.
They're literally insane.
I would drop the game immediately, but I'm honestly too curious about what they're going to do next. What's the next stop on TRS' wild ride?

>>149458440
I'm starting to think TRS_Insane is legit insane

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>>149458440
I suggested the same shitty "balance method" 2 weeks ago, but I wanted it in ranked mode only

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>>149457917
Maybe it's okay that Ken has a 90% winrate in rookie league because people can't figure out how to block wakeup shoryuken

Maybe that's just fine

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>>149458374
>Feel good not to have friends

I've never wanted a game I thought was cool to die as hard as I want this one to die again.

They keep destroying hunters to unplayability and buffing Monsters at the same time, and they're too lazy to implement a real solution to how polar opposite the winrates are between new and veteran players. They're alienating NEW PLAYERS with flat Hunter nerfs and flat Monster buffs and new players what you need to keep a game afloat.

No new player retention, no new money on whatever they plan to monetize(skins I assume), no game.

What the fuck is the plan? Git gud as developers and stretch out the monster skill bracket or this shit's going under.

>>149458563
But would nerfing Ken in rookie league be a bad balance choice?
Like nerfed only in rookie league.
This would make shitters happy while not touching more skilled players

>>149458708

Hunter nerfs aren't alienating shit.

The Monster buffs are fucking negligible.

>>149458374
My friends listen to me thinking for them and telling them where to go because they don't know what they're doing so we usually have good positioning to intercept the monster everywhere it goes, but once the Dome hits it's a my little pony fuckfest and no one does their job for fuck all so it's just as bad as solo queuing.

Not-good video game friends frustrate my anus.

>>149458714
Before 20 minutes ago I would've told you that no dev in their right mind would ever do something so dumb and lazy

>>149458847
>Didn't see massive Monster Perk buffs

Bitch nigga monster only player, please play Hunter a little bit so you can take a gander at the quality of player you've been shitting on thinking that you're hot shit.

These people get shit on for awhile because Monster is that much easier to play, and then they leave. This game already bleeds off players like it just got gutted by a butter knife, new people coming in and having it even harder will make them quit even faster.

It's a dumbass design decision and there's nothing else to it.

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>>149456491
>Literally nerfing co-ordination because it is too OP

>>149459095
Honestly you kind of have to admire their balls
They have a pretty delicate problem. They're trying to make their asymmetrical fps/monster simulator both accessible and competitive. If they could manage it, it would only be after a lot of fine tuning and careful consideration, with slow small changes to both characters and basic systems to nudge the game towards its desired shape.
Instead they just sledgehammered it.

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>>149459095

Did they seriously do that?

Really?

Seriously?

A literal cheat system that attempts to enforce 50/50 winrates between diametrically opposed teams. One of them is consistently unable to win once -skill- is involved, and they think this somehow allows them to better balance for low-skill players?

They're making balance changes based on a fluid system that is literally hacking to make sure someone doesn't win too much.

...

>>149459095
I agree that it sounds lazy (and maybe dumb), but if it works, why would it be a bad choice?
I don't see any drawback (in the Ken scenario).

In Evolve you could argue that a group of good solo players that uses mics would be advantaged compared to a premade of normal players (or even good ones), but in the end how many times does it happen to find good and cooperating pubs?