/lozg/ - The Legend of Zelda General

>>149256405
Skyward Sword a best

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>Fifth match is Midna VS Linkle
http://poal.me/q4208k

Usual disclaimer:
>I am just a normal guy making a poll on an anonymous imageboard. You can imagine I can't decide if a poll is rigged or if someone is cheating by posting the poll link in other threads/sites. I can't check such crazy variables. My borderline legal suggestion is: support your favourite girl and do it with all your strenght. Don't expect your adversaries to be 100% fair. That's it. And yes, we have already seen some cheats by this point.

Now, vote my friends, the poll closes approximately in 21 hours.

>>149256405

Thread Theme(s):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6nJysVtCrM

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Have a wonderful day

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>>149256536
Coincidence.
Right?

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>>149256405
By all accounts, this is a pretty shit OP image. But I chuckled, so whatever.

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I WANT TO FUCK FI

>>149256584
>Peatrice is on there
>Where the fuck is Kina
This is definitively memes.

>>149256584
Fuck, I forgot the tripcode. That post was made by me, it's not an impersonator.

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Reminder that Sheik is MALE

>>149257182
That's everyone. Move along, nothing to see here.

>>149257201
Blame whoever didn't name her before the tournament started.

>>149257201
>mfw I literally saw her till my second playthrough
>I had to google her just now because I didn't even know her name

Literally who waifu.

>>149256331
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>>149255770
I'd play a Steampunk Zelda.
Inb4 "Spirit Tracks".

>>149257445
You would like Spirit Tracks

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>>149257445
Play Spirit Tracks.

>>149257303
>That's everyone.
I don't think so, there's people who don't understand that Fi is great

>>149257508
Not him, but as someone who loves all the Zelda games, ST's most redeeming quality besides Ghost Zelda is shooting bunnies in the face with a cannon, it's stupidly satisfying.

>>149257305
>>149257307
I'm hurt.

…not really. She's only seen in an entirely optional sidequest that can be safely ignored the whole game. All you're missing out on is a heart piece and some gratitude crystals.

>>149257598
Oh don't worry, many people do.
That, or Fi won her match in the Queen tournament because of cheats. Choose one.

>>149257609
All DS Zelda games are crap.

>>149257598
Fi is shit.
Total shit.
0 personality.
Clippy is a more interesting character.

>>149256584
>next match is Tetra v. Irene
BOARD
WARS

>>149257902
I've only played PH, but I really liked it.

Yes, the controls are a pain in the ass at first, but beyond that the characters, dungeons, puzzles, quests and locations are all pretty good. Plus you can personalize your ship.

>>149257598
>she was up against literal cockworship stalker witch
I can see why /feg/ is hated here.

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>>149257902
Not all of them

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>>149258010
What are you implying?

>>149258202
I admit, that was way more fun than I'd anticipated.
>>149258209
I'm implying there's gonna be a bonfire of epic proportions.

>>149258030
You should play spirit tracks too

>>149258209
saucy.

>>149258509
I want to but I don't really want to emulate the game and I haven't found a used copy

>>149258010
I wonder if Irene will get more support than Maple.

>>149258209
If you post something more reserved of her, albeit still sexy, I'm going to vote for her.

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>>149258684
Perhaps this?

>>149257582
We need more possessed Zelda.

>>149258761
Not enough. Also, too thicc

>>149258761
>broom isn't between her thighs
GARBAGE

>>149258621
She's fresher in everyone's minds, plus less of a tsun, IIRC. Also, color.

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>>149258883
>Not enough
What is it missing? Have another Irene in the meantime

>>149258946
Futafags should be gassed desu senpai

>>149259019
>Futafags should be gassed
NO YOU

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>>149259019
>Futafags should be gassed desu senpai
Agreed. Why wanting a woman with a dick when you can have a girly looking boy?

>>149259259
Homosexuals fall into the "to be gassed" category senpai. No, traps are not ok either

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>>149259318
Rude. Pretty boys are for straight men.

>>149259019
Bigdead93 is so good.

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I really, really think he is right.

>>149259019
The other one was too thicc and showed too much skin. This one shows almost no skin and silhouette, her pose isn't sexy too.

>>149260794
No one said that it was wrong being bad at a game.

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What theories are you working on today, fampei?

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>>149260954
>This >>149258761
>thicc

>>149261893
I really want to rework the timeline trying to erase the Downfall timeline.

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>>149262063
How so?

>>149262063
>I really want to waste my time

>>149262372
>he says while posting on 4chan

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>>149262336
Some anon last thread agreed the Downfall timeline was a bit of an asspull.
So I started wondering where should I fit the 2D games if the Downfall timeline didn't exist. Just out of curiousity.

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>>149262372
Not that guy, but are you suggesting that the Hyrule Historia is actually intended to be taken as canon outside of being a speculative handbook? Interesting, what proof do you have for this?

>>149262372
Wew lad, quit complaining, it's just a gripe of mine.

>>149262542
I take offense at this comic. Who would call Miyamoto by his first name?

>>149262654
Oh boy. Anti-HH zealotry incoming.

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>>149262654
The HH is canon. But still a ground where further speculations should be made.
I said it many times, the HH will be reprinted and many things in it will be changed, retconned and added.
So as of now, the HH is necessary canon but we can still speculate about the fixes Nintendo will make in the future.

>>149263086
>can still speculate about the fixes Nintendo will make in the future.
Like giving a stronger argument for the Downfall timeline as to how it came to happen besides "Link lost xD"
It's literally impossible to remove the timeline entirely

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>>149262542
Ah, say no more. In my opinion the 2D games all fall post-FSA on the Child Timeline. It's correct up to there.

But I think Hyrule Historia was designed with a contingency in mind, that if for some reason they changed the story of a game, that timeline could still ambiguously work in another place. The problem is, I think they forgot the material and made up a new one. But it's obvious where the train switch was. The Oracle games. The Oracle games are ambiguously direct sequels to Majora's Mask. Right down to Link returning to Hyrule from Termina. It's my theory that at that point in time, the story for Twilight Princess was still cooking, and Nintendo had this in case it failed to seam into the 2D series. Which ultimately, it did.

>>149263086
So, what I'm taking from this, is that you think it's not canon, but you're its bitch anyway and will defend it, cause Nintendo says so, just like Other M. Is this correct?

>>149263298
>dude so mad that his kiddy game has kiddy plot

>>149263451
I mean the timeline was designed with a contingency. Not Historia.

>>149263298
>It's literally impossible
Not literally. Nintendo can do whatever the fuck they want.

>>149263727
Well yes, they can always release Zelda: Other Z and retcon every game before it, making everything pointless.

Something like that however, is very unlikely to happen.

>>149263451
>So, what I'm taking from this, is that you think it's not canon, but you're its bitch anyway and will defend it, cause Nintendo says so, just like Other M. Is this correct?
I think that's a big fat strawman. I never implied any of those things.

>>149263491
>dude so mad that he can't comprehend any story that doesn't spoonfeed him with exposition. Even if it doesn't make sense. Cause he needs to be told how something how something works or else it doesn't work.

There's a Homer analogy in here somewhere that you're a living ensample of.

>>149263848
You said it.
>"But still a ground where further speculations should be made.
I said it many times, the HH will be reprinted and many things in it will be changed, retconned and added."
How can something be objective and yet subjective? Canon by definition is or it isn't.

>>149263451
>Ah, say no more. In my opinion the 2D games all fall post-FSA on the Child Timeline. It's correct up to there.
>But I think Hyrule Historia was designed with a contingency in mind, that if for some reason they changed the story of a game, that timeline could still ambiguously work in another place. The problem is, I think they forgot the material and made up a new one. But it's obvious where the train switch was. The Oracle games. The Oracle games are ambiguously direct sequels to Majora's Mask. Right down to Link returning to Hyrule from Termina. It's my theory that at that point in time, the story for Twilight Princess was still cooking, and Nintendo had this in case it failed to seam into the 2D series. Which ultimately, it did.
Very interesting take.

>>149263982
Because Nintendo, in a note in the HH, said what they wrote might be subject to changes. Nintendo are the authirs of the series. So whatever they say must be taken for golden, since they created it. If they change idea, so does the canon. Which is exactly why we fans can we still speculate about it. Nintendo set a canon but still gave us the chance to discuss it.

Get it?

>>149263982
With an ongoing creative series the people in charge of it are free to change things as they see fit from game to game.

Canon in a completed work is different than an incomplete one. Until Nintendo says they're never making more Zelda games, or the series goes dormant like F-Zero or Mother, then we've got a slightly squishy canon since Nintendo can change things in any game.

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What exactly is wrong with this?

>>149264442
Nothing. Nerds just get butthurt about anything; it's in our nature.

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>>149264442
Nothing. I accept it like it is. But speculation is fun.

>>149261893
Where exactly are you getting at?

>>149264301
>Nintendo set a canon but still gave us the chance to discuss it.

This is where you contradict yourself. If they've told you, it's subject to their whim to change, then how can you possibly discuss it? You'll always be wrong. I would be 100% with you if you were arguing that that's why Nintendo kept it secret, so that you could discuss canon. But confirmation with a caveat of "Fuck you, if we want" isn't very noble, especially when it's obviously wrong, and you have to use that "Fuck you if we want" as the excuse for those errors.

I think you realize this, but you like most fans, are afraid to jump off the ship and decide for yourself what's canon, because you're not used to it.

Maybe the problem with the timeline is the 2D games are hard to implement with the 3D games due to limitations. Downfall is all 2D barring ALBW

>>149264442
What is wrong is that it does not align to the headcanon of some people and they don't like it when people stick to that book like they stick to their canon.

You people have to understand is that our problem is not with your fanfic, but with the holier-than-thou attitude when the discussion takes place. It always goes with "i'm smarter than you" arguments.

Nintendo said that the HH can undergo future changes, but at present time it did not. This also does not mean that the current canon will undergo MAJOR changes as some headcanons that appear here suggest. For all we know the changes in the timeline that they mentioned may only apply to future games that they set in between the past games, which will change the narrative a lot by adding more stuff to it.

>>149265035
>jump off the ship and decide for yourself what's canon

Michael Kirkbride, since when did you go to /lozg/?

>>149264386
>slightly squishy canon

Name an instance where this has ever happened in the games themselves.

>>149265373
It hasn't, not that I can think of off the top of my head. But future games can always add more detail to past events or affect how people interpret them.

Perhaps it's more accurate to say Nintendo has a squishy canon. The fans have the canon as presented, but on the developer's end, as the authors of the series, the options are more open because they control it.

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>Anon arguments about what's canon or not.webm

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>>149264442
It's missing this

>>149264932
Nothing. I'm just trying to corroborate all the Sky Characters with other symbols.

>>149256584
Midna winning? Ewwwwuughhh.

>>149264442
Personally I like the idea of Link pulling a heroic sacrifice, so nothing is wrong with that.

>>149267449
>Link pulling a heroic sacrifice
Something like that is never stated or even implied to happen

>>149260794
His points were shallow, biased, and lacked a real thread to an argument or legitimate comparison between games. Not to mention, Ocarina of Time did the best job of any 3D game up to that point in TEACHING you in the first level, the thing he sucked Megaman's dick over for half an hour. Completely ignored it.

>>149265749
Ew, no. In one of the timelines Arin Hanson is playing is all.

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>>149268095
>Egoraptor caused the Downfall timeline

Headcanon accepted.

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>>149268095
I chuckled

>>149268095
>Ew, no
>not wanting to make Chococrazy slut canon

>>149256584
I'm so sick of these rigged polls. I'm calling shenanigans because everyone I've voted for has lost.

Coincidence? I think not.

>>149268774
Your computer has a virus that freezes the button for your choice, so everyone has to pick the other one.

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>>149268774
That's what happens when you have shit taste, anon.

>>149265749
But this is stupid

>>149269213
How so? Adult timeline and Downfall timeline differ in no way up until Link loses. You can't have a copy be different without external intervention.
And to be honest Cia intervening being the catalyst for the split is a much nicer theory than quantum Fi

>>149264442
>the dark wold

>>149264442
>a link beetween world

>>149269539
They differ in plenty of ways. In some, Link didn't get all the heart pieces, in some he never completed the trade quest, or went fishing, etc. There's a million little differences, but losing to Ganon is the only one that matters.

>>149269859
>In some, Link didn't get all the heart pieces, in some he never completed the trade quest, or went fishing, etc. There's a million little differences
What caused these differences?

>>149269539
And the quantum Fi theory is stupid also. No theory is very good but the "Ganon just kills Link" is better than Divine Intervention and whatever the Fi thing is.

Hey guys how do I use proxies? Asking for a friend.

>>149270008
>"Ganon just kills Link"
Yes, Ganon kills Link, no one is telling you otherwise.

But something must have caused his defeat to be inevitable in order for the timeline to differ and cause his death. Alternatively, he was always going to lose the final fight no matter what until something changed this.

Now anon, what caused this change?

>>149270325
>what caused this change?
We (the player) did.

>>149269998
The incredibly fast and loose and retroactive framework the creators of the story gave the world, dummy.

For real, all we know is that there is a difference. We don't know how or why or what that does. But I don't think Grezzo's weird side characters have anything to do with the vision of the people that made the real games. Take it as it is. It's all just intermissions in the Super Mario Theatre Production, anyhow.

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>>149270427
>We (the player) did.

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>>149270325
Something other than Divine intervention. If there is a timeline split at this point then you could say that there are two timelines that were exactly the same except for this one point in which Ganon defeats Link, but that is silly as well, which is why I don't like this whole thing because it's just "what if Ganon defeated Link" timeline.
Actually Cia's intervention could work if someone wanted to incorporate Hyrule Warriors into actual canon. Cia saves Link from OoT and puts him in a pocket timeline where she gets to play with him.

>>149270878
>Actually Cia's intervention could work if someone wanted to incorporate Hyrule Warriors into actual canon.
Don't even need to make all of HW canon, just make Lana/Cia canon and explain the Downfall timeline as the inevitable outcome of OoT until Cia changed things allowing for Link to win.
Then everything goes on as normal with Zelda fucking shit up creating the second split.

>>149259585
HNNNG PLUMP

>>149260794
He wasn't. Jesus fucking christ.

>>149271186
I disagree because I don't like the thought that Link's success is solely dependent on an outside force.

>>149271632
The Hero of Time is already a fuckup, some more won't hurt him.

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>>149271186
>>149270878
I think you're both missing the forest for the trees here and overlooking that itsy-bitsy detail that this doesn't make the fork timeline any less shit. We hate it, because it's a baseless retcon, not because of the reasoning. You're arguing over pittances.

NOBODY CARES ABOUT WHY IT DOESN'T WORK. INSERTING ANOTHER GAME TO MAKE IT WORK, IS JUST AS BAD.

Damn, do I have to spell everything out?

>>149271880
Who the fuck is inserting anything anywhere?

>>149271943
MUH HYRULE WARRIORS!

I'd like to propose something.
Perhaps the three timelines given in Hyrule Historia are in fact NOT the only timelines that exist, but rather the only timelines in which published zelda games take place. So there are countless timelines where link fails or succeeds, but they are not included because no games take place on those timelines

>>149272142
>every step
>every swing
>every item
>every outcome
>creates a new parallel universe

What's the point in talking about this anymore?

Hero is defeated =/= Ganon killed the Hero

Ganon simply beated Link. But he survived and joined the Hyrule Knights that defended the seven sages/Maidens while they were sealing Ganon in the Sacred Realm.
ALTTP Link is the descendant of that defeated Link.

>>149272345
Why are you guys so defensive about Link surviving? Ganon does four goddamn hearts of damage a swing, it's safe to assume Link could have gotten beheaded.

>>149272142
Anon, scientists agreed that in our world there is an infinite number of parallel universes. Same thing applies to Zelda. It's just that we should focus only on the timelines where there are games we played.

So yeah, there is a universe where Demise won and raped Fi and Ghirahim's pussies for centuries. But we don't care because no game is set in that universe.

>>149272651
Ganon's swords were almost the size of Link he would have gotten chopped in half.

>>149272314
Laying down support for a canon Linkle timeline.

>>149272767
Details, details. I almost said skewered but then I remembered Ganon doesn't thrust with his swords in OoT.

>>149272651
Because otherwise ALTTP doesn't make sense. ALTTP Link is a descendant of a Hyrule Knight, one of those Knights had to be either the Hero of Time OR a descendant of the Hero of Time. Either way, the Hero of Time had a son or daughter. But if he was dead, he couldn't fuck any woman to give birth to his child.
Inb4 he fucked a girl before being defeated, you should see it during OoT but it never happens.

>>149272767
Nothing says Ganon beat Link, Ganondorf beat Link.

Tennis is hard, sometimes you lose. Wimbledon isn't always sunshine and roses and a Southpaw like Link would have a tough match-up at times.

The real reason Link lost in the Downfall timeline is because he got hit by a falling rock escaping Ganon's tower.

>>149273031
Skyward says the Hero has to have the Hero's SPIRIT, unlike the Goddess's blood reserved for the princesses. Therefore, ALttP Link doesn't HAVE to be a direct descendent of the Hero of Time.

>>149273031
ALttP was a descendant of a Knight of Hyrule, that doesn't mean it has to be Link, it could have been some random guy and down the line eventually ALttP Link was born.

The Knights of Hyrule aren't made up of just Link.

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link had mostly likely died against Ganon when the Master Sword was knocked out of Links grip in the final battle in OoT
i cant wait for a Zelda game when she is the main villain

>>149273690
>The Knights of Hyrule aren't made up of just Link
Uh oh. I just found where FS fits in the new timeline.

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>>149273525
>Hero's SPIRIT

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Someone explain FSA's shape to me.

>>149274280
Not canon

>>149274217
I don't have bold here. Everything sounds hammy.

>>149274458
Definitely canon.

>>149274587
The map was retconed at least

>>149274704
The only game that can retcon it would have been Twilight Princess and most of that map is north of FSA anyways.

I mean it's obvious that a lot of Hyrule ends up underwater by the time of FSA, but the shape in relation to other places doesn't make sense to where they should match up on the rest of the maps.

Like imagine plotting out a map of the US. We'll take Florida as a good example. Year 100/OoT everything looks like it does now. Year 200/ALttP, everything still matches up because we can assume we don't actually know the borders. Year 200-Timeline 2/FSA, despite the locations being the same as Year 200/ALttP we know borders on this time, so now Florida's shape is utterly different, unless we want to change the shape to match things up.

>>149275212
No nigga, the story is there but the map itself was retconed

>>149275476
That also retcons ALttP's map since it's very clearly the same map, yet ALttP matches up just fine without every single game. Who the hell looked at FSA and thought showing an actual sea border was a good idea.

Is this the Federation Force general?

>>149277137
No. Check /nintyg/. That's your new home.

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If the theory that Termina is Link's psyche (not his death, stalfos, etc. or anything like that obviously), then who do some of the random people such as Gabora represent from his life, or Sakon and stuff for instance?

Like I'm all down for the theory, but there are definite holes in it.

>>149280306
That's the body part miniboss from the Shadow Temple

>>149280306
Well, he's a kid. Kids have lots of immagination.
He probably mixed up what he saw in OoT with his fantasy.

>>149280306
Sakon is Ganondorf, a thief from the desert/canyon. He just sees him as some fruity weirdo. Zubora and Gabora he must have met at some point realistically, their names are inscribed on Phantom Ganon's sword in WW, so they must have existed in Hyrule as well.

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>>149274280
K. FSA was made to connect the 3D games to the 2D series. However, they hadn't decided yet how far into the future, ahead of Twilight Princess, so what they did was they flooded the entire thing; under the presumption they would one day create a "flood" parallel story like the backdrop of Wind Waker on the opposite timeline. Then, that flood leads to ALttP, after the waters dry up. Keep in mind, this is what sets the events of ALttP into motion - Hyrule is suffering from drought.

Editor's Note: You know this was meant for the child timeline because the Deku Scrubs tell you they've been asleep for hundreds of years and they don't appear in Twilight Princess, as well as the fact the Twili are briefly mentioned.

>>149274704
>>149275476
>MUH RETCON "niga"!!
Go back to whatever hellhole you crawled out from.

>>149275212
>MUH NORTH AND SOUTH HYRULE FAN-FIC
I lol, everytime. There's only one Hyrule. It's always the same. Every Zelda game is just a loose geographical interpretation of the last Zelda's, since the very first Zeldas. Like the Hylian script, it's not meant to be taken as consistent. It evolves with the series, chronologically. I should have known I was dealing with another native Floridian.

>>149277137
If by that you mean "is this where HH defenders take it up the bum from Nintendo," then yes. You've found the right place.

>>149281547
>There's only one Hyrule.
Although disclaimer. Maybe there's another Hyrule, early in the timeline (like SS and FS era), but after OOT it's the same.

>>149281547
>Anti HH autism
>Avatarfagging as L
Man, you are cancer.

>>149257445
Spirit Tracks is gud

>>149281863
>MUH CANCER!
Can you do anything rational without 4chan norms dictating your actions?

>>149281547
>I lol, everytime. There's only one Hyrule. It's always the same.

Wrong. Adventure of Link clearly takes place above Death Mountain (which is never seen in any single Zelda game beyond a few Islands in WW) and the Fire Sanctuary in SS. TP also has the Temple of Time and Death Mountain match up pretty much just fine based on relative location to OoT, yet there are tons of stuff north of that, presumably this is when Hyrule began to flood eventually becoming FSA.

Hyrules actually aren't always the same, most of them are, but there are games where it's very clearly a different part of Hyrule, AoL being the most obvious case. As for Hylian, that actually has an explanation for most of the games to why it's changed, and it's called time.

Now back to what the other anon was talking about FSA not making sense, he is right, the map actually doesn't make sense with how it's laid out in comparison to where places should actually be. Clearly it's retconned as another anon also said or not thought out all the way as it's Nintendo, but everything does stand.

>>149282068
You are so smart. I will name you the King of /lozg/

>>149282068
Yes. I can call you "idiot".

>>149264442
I'm still a little salty that The Minish Cap is no longer first

>>149282454
Honestly, I feel like Minish Cap's place is not after SS.
There are too many discrepances. The story about Ezlo being the first hat, the presence of Din, Nayru and Farore from Oracle games, Malon. I don't know, something is off.

>>149282127
>Wrong. Adventure of Link clearly takes place above

Negative. This isn't canon yet. The only evidence for this is the Variant Comics series. It has never been officially confirmed. That's because it's NOT canon. If you look at the entire map of Zelda II Hyrule, it's a blown up version of that "tiny Hyrule." For all you know, that plot of land is a big privately owned replica. The game never refers to Death Mountain.

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>>149283008
Sigh

>>149281547
>Twili are briefly mentioned
You're not referring to the tribe that made the Dark Mirror are you? 99% sure they and their creation are unrelated to the Twili and the Mirror of Twilight.

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>>149283008
Also it does refer to it as Death Mountain, as it's a far bigger version of the LoZ Hyrule, which refers to the very clear same area as Death Mountain. Also the fact that Spectacle Rock exists within Death Mountain (which is the case for every single Zelda game as well).

>>149282887
It's just because Ninty wanted to cash in on the hype of an "epic origin story". It's understandable, but I don't like how it displaced the original origin story. Plus I like TMC a hell of a lot more than SS.

>>149282887
Ezlo being the first hat never made sense anyways. The Hero of Time wore a hat because it was reminiscent of Kokiri Garb. That was the origin of the hat. Now you might ask yourself "Well why don't other Kokiri wear a hat?" It's simple, they don't want to. The Hero of Time was a baby when he was brought to the Deku Tree and had never left the Forest, so it stands to reason that the hat is Kokiri. It never needed an origin story, only that it was just a hat that happened to represent living area and culture.

>>149284557
Mido wears a hat.

>>149284638
Does he? I honestly can't remember, it's been awhile, that just further helps the point that the hat never needed an origin story and Ezlo never had to make sense.

I love MC, but it's not a big deal at all and doesn't explain why every Link has a hat. If anything OoT already did that, with WW or TP saying that either the Hero's Tunic is passed on by the Gods or it's a ritual in his honor.

>>149284942
Yeah, the only origin SS gave was the legendary armaments, the Hylian Shield and Master Sword.

>>149284942
He does, I played it recently, and i think at least most of the Kokiri males do. Makar's ancestor wears one too.

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>>149284942
All of the boys wear hats similar to Link's. The girls wear headbands.

>>149283919
I am. They're unnamed, but they're also because they're never seen. What other races are there sealed inside an ancient mirror? It even produces Dark Links, like you see in Lanayru's warning. (Although I think this is an unintentional connection.)

>>149283961
Ok, you're right. A character does refer to Spectacle Rock once, and "Death Mtn" so it is Zelda 1 Hyrule. I concede that. I was wrong. However, the connection you made in your picture is far-fetched and bogus. It's more likely that area is Lake Hylia, what with the big tree, the dragon statues in the Water Temple, and Aquamentus. The Boomerang is also a Zoran item according to the manga. Etc. Except all these things are just coincidences not connections. Know when to stop linking tangents.

Twilight Princess is such a good game. Hena is perfect waifu material.

Gorons are the power race. They'd immortal if plot deaths weren't a thing.

Resistant to both extreme low and high temperatures. Survive lava. Do not need to breath. Extreme fast movement. Skilled merchants. They could conquer the world if they weren't so much into their tribal thing.

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Boi, this will be a sloooow weekend.

>>149286931
Gorons are the Jews of the Zelda universe.

>>149286931
You are forgetting they are like coal factories and need lots of substance to keep running. They have to stay close to mountains or else they'd die.

>>149274280
FSA was originally a multiplayer ALttP version since the beta version has sprites of them.

>>149287193
How do they survive Wind Waker or city life?

>>149286931
They look very lazy in general, there are the exceptions like Darunia. Probably because of this >>149287193

>>149287383
Really? That's a neat trivia. The Anniversary edition of Four Swords has got some special stages made in old 2D games' styles.

>>149287431
They don't. That's why they've become traveling merchants. They scour the Great Sea on rafts, like ants searching for islands to devour. They don the cover of tourists so as not to attract attention. Why do you think there's one at Great Fish Isle?

The whole trade quest, with Zunari is their codified way of communicating that they've found a new hub to gorge on. Zunari acts as a sort of middle man for the message to assure it goes through.

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>>149289667
It is still a little too early to say that, anon.
You almost got it right.

>>149285328
While true that placement of Ocarina of Time is purely speculation based on the Lost Woods location, it's still a northern, north-east Hyrule compared to the rest.
>>149287383
Not him, but the map is still wonky as hell honestly. You can match things up based on where they should realistically be, but the shape changes quite drastically I imagine.
>>149287737
More trivia for you.

OoT was originally supposed to be AoL and then ALttP.
OoS was originally supposed to be OoS.
ALBW was originally supposed to be ALttP.
Legend of Zelda was originally called The Hyrule Fantasy.
Also in LoZ/AoL, the Triforce and it's religious connotations have been replaced by a cross, where the Book of Magic in Japanese is called The Holy Bible instead. Which makes some interesting connections when looking at the original Gerudo Symbol and the entire story of a battle of a Holy Land between Christians and Muslims.

>>149289936
Oops meant OoS was originally meant to be LoZ.

What are the main differences in Oracle games?
I'm trying to decide which one playing first.

>>149290410
Ages deals with Past-Present Time-Travel and is more puzzle oriented.

Seasons deals with Season Switching and is more action-battle oriented.

Their linked game implies that OoS comes second though based on the intros of the linked games making more sense going from OoA->OoS as opposed to vice versa.

>>149290410
The gimmick. OoA's gimmick is better than OoS's.

>>149290605
>>149290571
I'll go with Ages first then, thanks. I love puzzles.

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>>149290571
>going from sunset to midday makes more sense than vice-versa
And don't you dare try to tell me that's a sunrise in OoA, because sunrises do not look like that.

>>149290410
OoS is based on the original Zelda so it's more action based. OoA is based more on Aonuma-style Zeldas, so it's puzzle based and half the game you spend reading text.

Also, don't listen to >>149290605
OoA has the least in-depth time mechanic in the series. It's more like an event trigger than a gameplay mechanic like Seasons.

I would only play Ages if you have lots of free-time to kill. Ages has brick walls, due to either boredom or obscure puzzle solutions; or worse, both, like Tokay Island (imagine the past in Skyward Sword where Link loses all his items, but ten times worse and without the sense of threat).

>>149291554
*part in SS.

Here's another (You), to stave your imminent demise /lozg/.

>>149291448
I meant more that you take the ship and end up shipwrecked where you do in Holodrum

They are also two completely different continents so the time of day/night doesn't particularly matter.

>>149291554
Going through the seasons is a chore with the rod. If you activated it by some menu that popped up when going up in the tree stump it would be much better.

>>149291554
OoS's season changing is an event trigger too, only certain things are active during certain seasons and it's mostly just changing it around to get around that one lone puddle or rock. It's also far more tedious than the time switching.

I'd have to agree with the other anon, OoA's gimmick is better.

>>149291776
You leave Labrynna by boat at the end of OoA's linked game as well, you know.

>>149292050
Yes, but you start near the wrecked ship in OoS's linked game by the sea, it just makes more sense to me personally.

In the end it doesn't honestly matter though. The ultimate outcome is their both done right next to each other and then the stuff afterwards (since that anon might not know I won't say it, but you obviously do).

Can't we just redo the original NES and GB games to make the map accurate?

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How is twinrova alive in OoX ?

>>149292982
Because.

1. They were revived using Dark Magic like Ganondorf does at times.
2. The Hero of Time never actually killed them and somehow managed to get into Ganon's Tower with only 6/7 Sages, hence why he fails and the remaining Sages do their best to imprison him.

>>149292797
The NES games are fairly accurate, most of the games actually are. FS and FSA are the two that cause a bit of problem. They wouldn't cause a problem if it wasn't for the fact that Kakariko Village in FSA is the Lost Woods in ALttP and as Historia states it was once a Temple, so likely the Temple of Time (it would match up with Death Mountain, the Graveyard, and Zora's Fountain/Waterfall) from OoT, but this causes some severe problems when it comes to FSA. FS you can ultimately fix and deal with, with Talus Cave having the same general shape as Lanayru Mines and the Sea of Trees being near the Sealed Temple for instance.

It's mostly just FSA that's the problem. You can assume and slightly rotate some stuff around to fix, but FSA has a very fixed shape, which is the main issue.

farm girls

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>>149292982
Cause Histori = non-canon

>>149293263
Stop soliciting us! Nobody wants to buy a Hyrule Historia.

>>149296791
It wouldn't matter if Historia was canon or not, we know the Oracle games are sequels to ALttP, we've always known this, and with TP and WW, ALttP can't fit anywhere but a third timeline, it's not physically possible without massively retconning one of those two.

>>149297303
Why tell me, WHY, you think it can't fit in (follow me here, I'm just going to play advocate to the devil like you), in either of those two timelines.

C'mon, give me your best shot. Right here. Tell me why you think it needs some imaginary off-screen intervention in order for it to fit any less arbitrarily, than you think it does with the fork timeline.

Let me guess.
>anon ran away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFch6XO5I_c

>>149298240
So smart

>>149298240
ALttP says that Ganondorf invaded the Sacred Realm after the Imprisoning War leading it to turn into the Dark World.

That means these.

>Between MM and TP
Ganondorf is executed
>Between TP and FSA
Ganondorf has been recently revived and is referred to as Ganon II
>After FSA
FSA is not the Imprisoning War.
>Between OoT and WW
No Hero existed and Hyrule was flooded
>Between WW and PH
Not possible, same Link and months at most have passed
>Between PH and ST
Not possible only 100 years has passed and only one Hero.
>After ST
Hyrule is still underwater and Ganondorf still with a sword stuck in his head, also no Imprisoning War as he's already Imprisoned

Now would you like to continue arguing, or are you satisfied that ALttP can only fit after OoT (as that is Ganondorf's first appearance) and deals with the Seven Sages and ultimately the Imprisoning War (without Historia knowledge).

>>149298240
Not that Anon, but my guess is he bases the placement on the plot of the games. When you use the storyline of the games, LTTP only fits directly after OOT. The internet is overflowing with kids that cram LTTP in random places simply because they never actually played anything older than OOT, and simply had no idea what the story being told was.

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>>149299139
First, sorry. I did not expect such an eloquent answer from you or I would not have jumped to conclusions and acted condescending to you, if I came off that way.

>Ganondorf invaded the Sacred Realm after the Imprisoning War
You got that the other way around. He invaded. Imprisoning War happened to prevent him from getting out.
>Ganondorf has been recently revived and is referred to as Ganon II
He is referred to as "Ganondorf" even in FSA.
>FSA is not the Imprisoning War.
It was. There is text mentioning it in the files, but they scrapped this because they were going to use TP to cover the events instead.

Ok, so now that we're square on that possibility. Let's move unto the adult timeline.
>No Hero existed and Hyrule was flooded
True. Only if Wind Waker didn't exist, then the events for ALttP fit perfectly, minus Twinrova being alive, """"BUT""""" with one very large caveat; the Hero never died. He beat Ganon and sealed him inside the Sacred Realm. That's the only way ALttP works. It doesn't work if he wins. But I guess this was your point all along.

Alright, I cede victory to you. I was bested in argument.I have nothing more to add, other than the fact that ultimately the canon is TP --> FSA --> ALttP, where TP is the first part of the manual intro, and FSA is the Imprisoning War (Link won, knights are killed by Link, and Ganon is prevented from breaking out; these three consecutive events don't happen in any other continuity). Also, this is supported by Four Swords where you find the sword broken.

>>149300569
*it doesn't work if Ganon wins.
I meant.

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>>149300394
Very nice, if I find more webms I'll make sure to post them here

>>149300394
Add the little lake to the South East of the Great Plateau that leads to a river, I can draw it out real quick if you want based roughly on what I remember from the demo I played.

>>149300569
>He invaded. Imprisoning War happened to prevent him from getting out.
Not the inteligent anon here, but ganondorf went into the sacred realm, touched the Triforce, it split and the sacred realm turned into the dark world due to this. Then he took over hyrule and then the imprisioning war happened to seal him in the dark realm. then alttp happens.

I don't think this can be done in any other way, despite all you've said.

>>149300569
If you really wanna get down to it, then ALttP breaking off from SS would actually make the most sense and you could add more games due to the huge gap in time between the two. There is a paradox resulting from Demise/Imprisoned after all. You could easily pull that off as the Imprisoning War which would ultimately lead to Ganon, Demise' incarnation of hate.

>>149300723
Thanks anon.

>>149300838
That would be great, if it isn't too much trouble. Did it have a name?

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>>149301154
>That would be great, if it isn't too much trouble. Did it have a name?

Wasn't possible to tell, it was below the Great Plateau and I didn't wanna jump down and die to find out.

This could be off a bit, as there might be a tad bit more distance between the two, I didn't mark it, just from memory, and the rivers might diverge in a slightly different angles, but this is about as accurate from memory as I can recall.

>The Great Plateau has a waterfall with no apparent source.

>>149300972
>Then he took over hyrule and then the imprisioning war happened to seal him in the dark realm. It never says he got out though. The intro even says, "No one ever returned." This is ALttP's most peculiar point and I wonder about it everytime I play the game. Basically, Ganon got in and turned it into his home, but he never manages to escape. My reasoning is that this is why Agahnim exists in the first place. He was one of the evils that seeped out of the gate.

ALBW also supports this offhand. It says that after he touched the Triforce he took his campaign to Hyrule. But then it skips over to ALttP, cutting out everything in between.

>>149301129
What paradox? Skyward Sword is a temporal loop.

>>149301993
Has anyone tried overlapping Skyloft over that?

>>149302089
Dumb greentext.

>>149300972
My greentext absorbed my reply.

It never says he got out though. The intro even says, "No one ever returned." This is ALttP's most peculiar point and I wonder about it everytime I play the game. Basically, Ganon got in and turned it into his home, but he never manages to escape. My reasoning is that this is why Agahnim exists in the first place. He was one of the evils that seeped out of the gate.

>>149302089
>What paradox? Skyward Sword is a temporal loop.
The Imprisoned exists in the present, in which to be fought. The Imprisoned is Demise who was Imprisoned in that specific spot. However Link travels back to the past and Imprisons Demise in the Master Sword instead, that should theoretically mean the Imprisoned was never Imprisoned there in the first place, or at least up to the point where Demise is defeated by SS Link.

>>149302206
Not to my knowledge, no.

I've seen TP, AoL, and OoT and that's about it. Though it's hard to match things up beyond just Great Plateau by itself because it appears to have been moved, it's elevated and there is a mysterious fog surrounding only it, Hyrule Castle also appears to be elevated around a crater or some type of chasm, likely where the Great Plateau used to be, it would be in relation to Death Mountain after all.

>>149302435
Just at first glance, the top-down of the GP looks kinda like Skyloft. Or at least the southwest side of the GP anyhow.

>>149302220
>The intro even says, "No one ever returned."
Can you link me a vid where it says that? It's been a long time.

>Basically, Ganon got in and turned it into his home, but he never manages to escape.
But he did and it's clear in OoT since he took over Hyrule.

The imprisoning war as far as it's understood is what happens after Link is defeated during the last fight in OoT. At that point a war is waged against Ganon, leading to sealing him in the Dark Realm. After this was done, balance was restored, or so it was thought. This explains why many attempted to get into the sacred realm to obtain the Triforce.
Later shit started coming out from the so thought sacred realm and the King ordered the seven sages to seal it. Then Agahnim comes, kidnaps the girls, breaks the seal and ALTTP happens.

At least that's what I think.

>>149302996
I can try and match it up and see, no guarantees it'll look good enough to tell anything though.

>>149302285
Hmm... Possibly. Except there's nothing to suggest that continuity exists as anything more than a pocket dimension until it reunites at the end.

>>149303235
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC0KIrKIEYM

>But he did and it's clear in OoT since he took over Hyrule.
You're using circular logic here.

>The imprisoning war as far as it's understood is what happens after Link is defeated
There is no "Link is defeated" canon in the Zelda series. You have a compressed idea of the chronology and think the maidens are immediate descendants of the Seven Sages, when even their own fathers don't indicate any knowledge of direct ancestry.

ALttP happens four generation after the Imprisoning War. Sahasrahla tells you.

>>149303817
>You're using circular logic here.
I warned you I'm not smart

>There is no "Link is defeated" canon in the Zelda series.
There is in HH

>and think the maidens are immediate descendants of the Seven Sages
No

>ALttP happens four generation after the Imprisoning War. Sahasrahla tells you.
Yes

So in any case, what about everything else I said? I think it makes sense.

>>149303403
I can't personally get it to match up properly.

The best I could do was match up the Statue of Hylia with the one in the Temple of Time with both the 2D and 3D maps, didn't really seem to fit anywhere.

Matching up the Statue of Hylia based on the size of the Hyrule Castle ruins however by lines, puts the SS Lighthouse where the Temple of Time is, right around the Statue of Hylia in BotW, there is a similar enough path from the Lighthouse to the Statue/Temple to Hyrule Castle as well, it's nowhere near exact as it doesn't curve in the same way or as drastically, but it is interesting nonetheless.

>>149303817
>Hmm... Possibly. Except there's nothing to suggest that continuity exists as anything more than a pocket dimension until it reunites at the end.

Zelda is odd in the fact that every possibility of how time travel works, exists within Zelda. Paradoxes, Temporal Loops, Consciousness Travel, Timeline/Multiverses, Preset Destiny, etc.

Zelda is weird in that fact that it doesn't have a consistent use of time travel at all, and I blame that mostly on the fact that most people who do time travel in their stories have no idea how it should work within their own universe and end up using multiple methods that cause some problems.

>>149304623
>most people who do time travel in their stories have no idea how it should work
But it can work in any way!

Because it's not fucking real and will never be

>>149304435
I think it might be best to start with the water features. Both have an infinite waterfall.

>>149304747
>Because it's not fucking real and will never be

Every second, you're actually going forward into the future which then becomes the present.

While true that time travel to the past may never actually exist beyond it creating multiverses which don't matter to us or a preset destiny (which also means you can't change anything and are just there to witness it and try not to die), it does have to work at least somewhat logically and consistently. Like I have no problem with say Zelda or Chrono Trigger or whatever with some of their time travel inconsistencies, but it would be nice if it was a little more consistent, I mean it takes maybe an hour or two of thought to make something more a little more logically.

>>149257201
I'll have you know that Peatrice had multiple supporters.

>>149304798
Seems like it would be off. The river or the little circular waterfall at the top would need to be moved down or over to the left respectively, and the little pond/lake itself would either be too big or too small to compensate in BotW, likely too big.

>>149305512
Rotate 90 degrees clockwise, and assume that the goddess statute didn't land perfectly where it used to be.

>>149305893
Oh tried it in several places, I still couldn't personally get it to match up 1:1, certain parts of it did, but not the whole.

>>149257218
SHEik

>>149304380
I know you're smart because you're using sarcasm properly without resorting to misusing the made up word "unironic", on impulse, which is lost on 90% of 4channers.

>There is in HH
Exactly, not in the series.

>what about everything else
The only other thing relevant you said is, "This explains why many attempted to get into the sacred realm to obtain the Triforce." That's never delved into the games. I.e I think what you're asking is, "Ganon's acquisition of the Triforce was needed or prompted the Seal War." There's no case scenario for that. Let's list them.
A. Ganondorf grabs the Triforce. Since he has the Triforce, nobody would object and dare cross him, as in ALttP.
B. Ganondorf grabs Triforce this is supposed to lead to people wanting it, like you think. But Ganondorf already had it. He didn't prompt the search for it. It already happened. OoT complicates this, because the Triforce is a guarded secret then. That means generations have passed since the wars for it. But let's assume we're looking at a broad retrospect, it doesn't make sense that Ganon caused this search unless Ganondorf lost the Triforce at some point. Which he does, IN TWILIGHT PRINCESS. I don't know if that's what you're getting at or not, but it doesn't help the original anon's point about a third timeline, which isn't that what you were originally arguing?
C. (The actual canon) Ganondorf grabs the Triforce and him, Zelda, and Link end up with it at the end of OoT. Even though this Ganondorf dies, this somehow passes down history to ALttP. From this point, there's two options:
Alpha- OoT Ganondorf becomes sealed in some unseen game that is the Imprisoning War.
or
Bravo- OoT Ganondorf dies in TP, and a new Ganondorf enters the mix which gets the Triforce and is sealed in the Imprisoning War.

Alpha is what Nintendo wanted at first. Bravo is what they actually ended up with in the end.

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>>149301993
So it looked similar to this?

>>149308317
>Alpha is what Nintendo wanted at first. Bravo is what they actually ended up with in the end.

I would honestly say that Alpha is actually what we have right now as canon. The idea of a game being set after TP and FSA doesn't really make much sense to me.

Of course this is just my assumption, but after Ganon, in OoT, defeats Link, the imprisoning war happens and he gets sealed. We never get to see how this goes down though. Although it would be a neat idea to set a Zelda game right after OoT Link lost with Zelda leading the sages and whatever forces there are to imprison Ganon, lots of sacrifices and stuff.

Also as to what caused a lot of people to attempt getting the Triforce was indeed Ganondorf obtaining it. A whole war was fought against him in order to imprison him away, not even defeat him. You'd think others would want that kinf of power for themselves and they would venture into the sacred realm. get turned into an animal or monsters as seen in ALTTP and never return.

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>>149309414
It's the same map

>>149310268
>airship isn't even close to the end of the map

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>>149309586
>I would honestly say that Alpha is actually what we have right now as canon. The idea of a game being set after TP and FSA doesn't really make much sense
By Alpha I mean, following the ending of Ocarina of Time. By which, I mean, the actual ending, the child timeline. That is the only way it makes sense. Link HAS to go back in time for Ganondorf to have been thwarted or otherwise sealed after getting the Triforce of Power. One could say, the intention was to make Link seal him in the past, by returning and leaving with the Master Sword before he ever gets out; but him going back to meet Zelda was more poetic. Either way, it's not a big deal. The fact is TP came out and corrected this small change, with Ganondorf sealed. Which is all that matters (the intro to ALttP doesn't actually say he was sealed in the Sacred Realm/Golden Land), and the Twilight Realm is a good a place as any since it actually matches the manual story of ALttP saying the "Triforce among the twilight."

>Also as to what caused a lot of people to attempt getting the Triforce was indeed Ganondorf obtaining it. A whole war was fought against him in order to imprison him away, not even defeat him. You'd think others would want that kinf of power for themselves and they would venture into the sacred realm. get turned into an animal or monsters as seen in ALTTP and never return.
Now I finally see what you're saying. Agreed, even though we disagree on the placement that would happen.

I haven't actually finished Four Swords Adventures, but there's one other thing that confirms all this, that I ran out of room before. When Zelda gets the Light Arrows in Twilight Princess, the Sacred Realm is dark. Why? Because Ganondorf's wish was still active from Ocarina of Time. Vaati is killed and Ganon is sealed in the Dark Mirror world I believe in that game. Which leads into GBA ALttP's bonus content. The significance is obvious. It all correlates to ALttP on the child timeline. The Bravo option.

Four swords remake when?

http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/youtuber-uncovers-new-evidence-for-breath-of-the-wilds-old-man-being-the-ki

>>149313254
Actual voice acting in the game is going to be weird. I wonder if there will be an option to turn it off.

>>149313254
We already knew about it. Also, why does that site link to a youtube video which goes on rambling forever without ever actually getting to the video and DOESN'T EVEN GIVE A LINK TO THE GUY WHO FOUND IT. REEEEEEEEE-


Here everybody, I'll save you 6 precious minutes of your time or digging through a bunch of a garbage white noise.
https://vimeo.com/173065145

>>149313254
Oh wow, I actually never heard that faint Zelda's lullaby when she spoke until now.

So what other themes do you guys think we will hear again, either slow down or sped up, since this is a pattern that we keep seeing?

>>149309414
Not as big, but it seemed that way, but the river is just guesswork from me, they could have diverged completely different ways, I just saw where they went off on general directions and that was about it.

>>149314652
I bet we're going to hear Zelda's Lullaby backwards

>>149314652
I imagine we'll hear Hyrule Castle, Ganondorf's, and Saria's Song.

I could see a Great Bat variation too at the beach area.

>>149312336
>Link HAS to go back in time for Ganondorf to have been thwarted or otherwise sealed after getting the Triforce of Power.
I'm having a hard time grasping at what you're tying to get with all that. But let me tell you this, in the Child timeline, Ganondorf gets the Triforce of Power in the last minute before being sealed in the twilight realm by the weird sages we see in TP. Link returns to before he meets zelda for the first time.

The only way for everything to fit into ALTTP, is to have Ganondorf be sealed after he gets the triforce of power and uses it in the last battle turning into Ganon. Which can be explained, outside of the games, by stating that Link loses the fight to Ganon and then the imprisoning war happening as I've said before.

As for the last paragraph, I don't think we ever see the sacred realm in TP. The Twilight Realm is another realm entirely of course and Zelda gets the light arrows in a cutscene that is indeed placed against a black background, but Ganondorf NEVER ever touched the Triforce in the child timeline, so he never made any wishes that would corrupt the realm.

>>149312336
>>149317126
LTTP Ganon has the entire triforce. Even though Nintendo intended OOT to be the IW, the division of the triforce was a bit of a plot hole. The downfall explaination does a tidy job of plugging that hole, since OOT's triforce mechanics gives Ganon the entire triforce if he can kill Link to get it.

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>>149319201
>since OOT's triforce mechanics gives Ganon the entire triforce if he can kill Link to get it.
Well yeah there's that as well.

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>>149317126
I'm saying that for the story to sound like Ganondorf failed right from the get-go before he invade Hyrule, he had to have been stopped more or less before he even started. Like the ending to OoT shows.

Also, you like to ignore TP a lot. The only reason Ganondorf has the Triforce in that game is because he wished on it, and it transcended time with the other two.

Lastly,
>The only way for everything to fit into ALTTP, ... uses it in the last battle turning into Ganon.
Exactly why it's option BRAVO, there's a new Ganondorf in FSA, but even disregarding him, if it was Alpha, then we never found out what Nintendo truly planned with TP anyway.

This argument is rhetorical at best from your point, and redundant from mine, cause ee're back to arguing about the same thing. It's simple: the canon is OoT --> ??? --->ALttP if you take only those two games, OR OoT -->FSA -->ALttP if you played either TP or FSA. Pick one, or admit HH is fan-fic and you just want it to be canon.

My whole concern with the Alpha option is that Nintendo can write a new game in that at any moment and the only thing it would contradict would be TP and FSA. You keep on going back to "Link died! Link died!" There is no basis for a timeline where Ganon wins. There is no need for a timeline where Ganon wins. Nintendo didn't make a timeline where Ganon wins at any point.
GANON NEVER WINS; ALttP's lore contradicts it! There's more basis for a timeline split after the child end of OoT than a Bad end where he lost.

Ok, I'm done. I have no more to add to this argument. Take it or leave it.

>>149319689
I don't get you, you say Nintendo didn't make a timeline where Ganon wins, yet Nintendo made Hyrule Historia which says exactly that. Which is it?

>>149319689
AoL includes the names of the OOT sages as town names. They never became sages in the child line, because the prior sages were not killed by Ganondorf.

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>>149319201
Ah, great. I was dreading that someone would throw this gas canister into the mix. Listen up, and listen well, because I'm only gonna say this once.

Basically, Nintendo does what Nintendo wants with the Triforce from game to game as it suits the story. It is never consistent. This isn't a bulletpoint for the story, because in ALttP the idea of a split Triforce was never delved into. On top of this, there is no basis that Ganon even had the Triforce anymore after the Sages conducted the Imprisoning War. This matches with the ALttP manga where he doesn't have it, but is trying to get it, but equally important it is consistent with FSA.

-A Ganondorf- got the Triforce once. Another Ganondorf entered the Sacred Realm, in this case, by force, but never left it. ALttP takes place.

Those three sentences ^^^? Those are the only things that matter in Zelda post-OoT. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS. IT JUST WORKS. TRUST ME ON THIS OR KEEP GETTING LOST IN THE FOREST, BUT I'VE RUN OUT OF ROPE TO PULL YOU OUT.

Ciao, /vg/. Till the next thread.

>>149320497
Ganon still held the triforce in LTTP. LTTP tells you the IW as how he got it. It's in the game.

>>149319689
>the canon is OoT --> ??? --->ALttP if you take only those two games, OR OoT -->FSA -->ALttP if you played either TP or FSA.
I've played all but FSA, so there could be something I might be missing here, but as HH states, and as logic dictates, OoT happens, and there's a split that follows Ganon being imprisoned before he reaches the Sacred Real that leads into MM and then TP, and a different timeline where he reaches the Sacred Realm and is later imprisoned.

ALTTP lore does not contradict Ganon winning a fight against a hero, as it never delves into what happened before the Imprisoning war, thus we can establish that HH is canon and in concordance with the lore established on ALTTP.

>There's more basis for a timeline split after the child end of OoT than a Bad end where he lost.
Absolute not. In the child timeline Link and Zelda manage to get Ganondorf sealed after they prove that he was planning treason.

>Also, you like to ignore TP a lot. The only reason Ganondorf has the Triforce in that game is because he wished on it, and it transcended time with the other two.
Ok, where has it ever been said that the TF trascended time? The reason why Ganondorf got the triforce of power in TP was because of a cruel joke from fate, he obviously wanted the TF. Nothing states it travels in time, like why would it even need to do that?

You want to get rid of a timeline which makes complete sense in regards to how it is explained, beyond the very vague "Link lost" part.

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How much does this make sense to you guys based on a quick glance at the maps for Hyrule up to the timeline split?

>>149321913
Looks good to me

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>Bosses that involve deflecting power balls back at them
The best bosses

>>149324541
Surprised that was in Hyrule warriors. Or did they add that in Legends? I know fuck all about that game besides the characters.

>>149321913
I don't see any reason to have more than one Lake Hylea, and the wilds really don't resemble the lake at all.

>>149321052
>Ok, where has it ever been said that the TF trascended time? The reason why Ganondorf got the triforce of power in TP was because of a cruel joke from fate, he obviously wanted the TF
That's a misunderstanding by the sages who don't know about the split. Also, it was in Zelda and Link's hands in OOT because it transcended time.

>>149324696
Wasn't even. I'm sure you understood anyways.

>>149323547
Hmm.
>>149324746
Well I was under the impression that the Zora's take it over and rename it, so Castor Wilds eventually fills up (instead of being a swamp) and is renamed to Lake Hylia instead.

But you do have a point, it was mostly on where they are placed roughly.

>>149321913
why.jpg

>>149324541
I just got done playing MC. The octorok was pretty fun to fight, Vaati infuriated me with that though. The shots would either veer off wildly or I'd just get hit by his stupid lightning balls and have to spend 10 years charging the damn sword again.

>>149324541
>A new game precedes every game by 300 years.
>It takes place during the golden era in which technology magic flourished and everyone prospered.
>A bitter tennis rivalry destroys that civilization.
>The loser swears eternal revenge.

>>149324968
Boredom and I saw people talking about the maps and FSA earlier, so I just quickly threw something together.

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>>149324696
You do play tennis with the first phase of Phantom Ganon in Legends, yes.

>>149325247
Marin is not for sexual

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>>149325425
What about Best Sage and cutest girl that friendzones herself?

>>149325425
And yet somehow this is the first time I've seen a sfw image by that artist.

>>149325247
Ahh right, sounds cool. Kinda wish some other fights were more duels instead of playing the waiting games with weakness meters. I got so excited when I got to one on one some generals only to find out it's not that great. guess you can't win 'em all.

>>149325594
those hairstyles look atrocious

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>>149256536

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>>149326852

>>149325247
>kill nightmare with a boomerang

>>149273253
Underrated post.

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Fags are asleep, post Vaati

slow euro hours

>>149256584
>More votes than posters in this thread
Seems like someone's cheating. Again.

>>149337532
>muh gay-safe Link sexual fantasy isn't winning
>CHEATS!!!!

Get out

>>149336957
Fuck, I love it, I really can't wait to buy this physics sandbox. I might even play the zelda game that comes with it.

>>149337715
It's Fi all over again. Waifufags are autistic.
At least Fifags had a good reason to cheat, Cia was going to win.
Midnafags cheat even when they are confirmed to win. Fucking embarassing.

>>149338520
Midna was winning by a decent chunk after the first few initial votes anyways. This isn't something like Cia/Fi that completely flipped it.

>>149335969
Weekends are especially slower for some reason.

>>149337532
its lurker-votes like mine.

>>149339559
What kind of hothead would come in this general and lurk without posting?

People who wish to discuss lore but decide to disregard Hyrule Historia should declare this at the top of every single lore related post they make. It's very confusing and hard to make sense of these posts without that information.

>>149340109
It's very easy to spot those who disagree with the Historia. Most of the time, they write some headcanon bullshit you won't find anywhere.

>>149339948
the kind that doesn't really have meaningful discourse to add, but enjoys watching the wild mass guessing and art in the thread

Is it really possible to skip over the Shadow Temple in OoT? I didn't replay it at all until OoT3D came out, and I had basically no memory of the Shadow Temple, and then I heard that you can technically skip it.

>>149340190
Well depends on the headcanon, some of it actually does take the Historia into account or tries to make some new theories based around things, others are just straight headcanon.

>>149340506
'Skip' is a bit too strong. You can do it after the spirit temple. You just need to clear the well.

>>149340506
At the gate that opens up the shortcut before the Boat/Ferry. When you first go in there the area between the Gate and the Wall that connects, if you line yourself up about center with that look towards the block and place a bomb, you can bomb yourself into the gate and backflip out, skipping all the dungeon. So you just need to ride the boat, get the boss key, and then fight Bongo-Bongo.

>>149340680
Huh. I wonder if 1998 10 year-old me actually managed to do that on accident somehow or if I just blanked out on one dungeon somehow.

What do you guys think of this guys' analysis of dungeons? He has videos for LttP, LW, and OoT so far.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouO1R6vFDBo

>>149340872
It's possible, but it does require some precise positioning and not moving, I imagine most kids wouldn't sit still long enough to stay near a bomb in a tiny cage area. At least I wouldn't have, but that's just me.

>>149340979
I like his take on the Water Temple. I fear his analysis of WW's dungeons, it will be a slaughter.

>>149340979
They're interesting, though I wish it was more from a lore standpoint as of right now.

For instance based on the staircase design of the Eastern Palace and where it sits in connection to the Lost Woods (once a Temple), it might be a rebuilt/purposed Forest Temple.

I've thought about going through the games here recently and trying to make some theories and general layout reasonings for the dungeons or just areas in general to match them all up and toss it in a pastebin, but I may not.

I do have a basic map I've been working on, but FSA has been proving to be a nightmare for the Child Timeline portion solely because of it's shape, which I'm having to either change or assume different things about it, and it's still not perfect by any means whatsoever, though I could post what I have if anyone is interested.

>>149341254
That guy focuses more on game design than on stories and plot points. And thankfully so.

>>149341784
Yeah that's fine and understandable, I do appreciate that he's doing it honestly. It's also nice on story and plot points too though. Like I get Nintendo doesn't typically think much of connecting the games beyond the 3D ones and the DS/3DS games, but it is nice to see like "Oh that place is totally that place when you put all these pieces together."

So what are the chances that BoTW properly explains the "Link is defeated" copout event that lead to the downfall timeline?

I'd say it's 50-70% likely.

>>149342523
Link was defeated, that's it
Fucking get over it

>>149342523
A video posted a while ago had the theory that BotW takes place after WW, in a split timeline where Dorf managed to get his wish granted. I find it very interesting.

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>>149342750
Daphnes the Lionboat will always defeat An-Nasir Ganon ad-Dorf Yusuf ibn Ayyub.

>>149342636
In that's really the case, then there are multiple splits where ALL Links were defeated.

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>>149342925
Like OoT Link always defeats Ganondorf? Oh, wait

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>>149343007
Blame Fi, she didn't wanna work in Downfall.

>149343007
>People always bring up OoT Link when it comes to the possibility of the heroes being defeated

>meanwhile everyone forgets about AoL Link and his optional bad ending, AKA return of Ganon

>>149343403
To be fair they all have optional endings, but so far only one has actually diverged into a separate timeline.

>>149343403
>Not giving me a (you)
REEEEEEEEE

>>149342981
Yes. But we care only about the splits about released games.

I'm curious, what would people like to see in regards to a lore discussion that I could potentially try and work out best I can?

Dungeons, Bosses, NPCs, Topography, etc?

>>149343664
I think something about Sheikah would be nice.

>>149344242
Anything in particularly on them in regards to a specific game, dungeon, items, etc?

>>149344675
I was thinking about a "sheikah timeline", like their history across the games, with references about their presence in each game.

>>149344787
I can do that, it may take a few days though to compile all of that together.

>>149345012
Well, we are here waiting.

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Lunch bump

>>149321913
May I ask what game those sprites are from? They look unfamiliar to me.

The middle row pics I mean.

>>149346943
They in chronological order, so for instance on Death Mountain that would SS->MC->FS->OoT. FS being the 3rd pics in Death Mountain, Lake Floria, and Faron Woods based on SS.

With the 2D Map being MC, such as say Castor Wilds or Minish/Picori Woods.

>>149347110
I didn't express myself properly, sorry, I just wanted to know what game the pixel maps were from.

But gotcha, Minish Cap then, thanks. Now that I look at it again I recognize the regions displayed there at first glance I had forgotten they looked like that.

>>149347326
Well glad I could help, even if I was roundabout it.

Yeah MC's map looks pretty odd when you actually separate the things. Also has different graphics compared to most of the 2D games too.

>>149343403
AoL is canonically the last Zelda game (so far). If there's a timeline split afterwards, we haven't seen it yet.

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>>149347421
Yeah, it's cute though. Minish Cap was really pretty, and was their last Zelda made in pixel art. I was pretty sad when Zelda DS was shown to be 3D. I still like them but a part of me would've liked having some more 2D Zelda; pixel art wasn't dead either at the time, Drawn to Life as an example was quite pretty.

They had use and promote the DS's new functionalities though so it's understandable they had to make somewhat unorthodox games.

>>149347860
It'd be nice to see some 2D games again, but I don't mind the 3D Handheld games, I personally like them despite their flaws quite a bit.

I wouldn't mind seeing some of the other 2D games remade though in ALBW engines, like say OoA/S.

>>149347315
>Vaati
>Two eyes
NOT
CANON