/kfg/ - Killing Floor General

The only anime allowed in this thread is cory in the house

also flashlight buff is pretty neat

Pretty good patch
But not enough to revive the general for now

>Overall we felt that the Hans battle was still a bit too much of a shoot the shield fest so we have lowered his overall health. At the same time we have increased his damage slightly on some difficulties to decrease the chance of a long drawn out battle
Hans takes forever to kill what with having 3 times patty's health. Solution? Drop his health by 5% and crank his damage so we die faster. The fights are nowhere near as long when the players die!

>>149166103
shhhhh only dreams now

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>half a gig
>just bug fixes and tweaked numbers
>flashlight and night vision buff is the only thing worth mentioning only because maps like catacombs exist

>>149166360
This.
Literally tweaked values, wtf can possibly be half a gb?

>>149166103
why didn't they reduce the shield health too? shit's probably tankier than a fleshpound

>>149166360
>>149166447
the power of unreal packaging

>>149166447
UE3 bullshit.
>to change a single value you have to replace the file
>also the file encompasses 30 things vaguely related to each other packed into a library

I miss barking

so how much hp does 6man hoe hans have now

sometestmap reports 64k, same as before

>>149171356
The same, his old health modifier was 1.7, don't know why it says it was decreased.

Healslut's feet!

>>149172129
Post them already damn it!

>>149171972
fuck tripwire

the HoE community is already tiny, why are you not fixing the balance issues that have been present there for a long time?

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>>149172397

>>149172575
Because the HoE community is tiny they are not a priority

>>149172727
This game's community is tiny they are not a priority

>>149172727
they've been the longest players and biggest fans of the game, though, resulting in the most word of mouth sales

it's not fucking hard to look at your official forums, make a post to ask "what do you think is wrong with hoe balance?" with a poll and a couple options?

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post yfw it's a hans boss battle wave

>>149172924
>it's not fucking hard to look at your official forums
it's mostly just cocksuckers there now, either whining about "haters" or beating the same dead horse of wanting more content, faster
The mod forums are dead as shit, only 2 or 3 posts in the past 3 weeks, all in the same threads

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>>149172991
I don't have an image for leaving a game so

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>>149172991

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>>149172991

any words on the new content?

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>>149172991
>tfw not patty

>>149175235
who the demo (male)

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>>149172991

>>149172991
>Hans
>30mins kiting and dodging instakill melee attacks
>Patriarch
>30sec fight where he gets nuked by the Demo
Both fucking suck

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>>149175235
shitty edit

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>when you miss with the RPG

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>>149172991

>>149175576
WHO?

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>Boss Wave
>Now spawn all ammo pickups during boss fights

What? Does this mean that ALL the possible ammo locations on the map will have ammo there now EVERYTIME you fight the boss?

If so this is the most casual fucking thing I've heard of.

>>149180082
Honestly beats buying 3x copies of a weapon and leaving them laying about, and having to switch them every few minutes to keep them from despawning

>>149180082
Yes, which is fine since running out of ammo on a boss wave has been a massive problem for a long time now

They didn't fix Hans' ridiculous HoE health pool though

>ammo box only gives +1 rail gun ammo
how the fuck do I SS during boss fights?

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>>149180234
>>149180235
How about you shitters learn to aim for the weak points and manage your ammo. You have pistol and fucking knife.

Jesus fucking christ. Not only does everyone and the commando's mother get to see boss hp but now you have fucking infinite ammo.

What's fucking next? How could they ruin this game even more now? I swear to fucking god they're going to raise the overall carry cap for all perks next. You're going to have people running around with 7 guns soon, 8 of which are off-fucking-perk. goddammit.

>>149180323
M14 and spam it on Patriarch's arm/Hans head

>>149180323
Use m14 if you're lvl 25. Lvl 25 gives a hidden bonus of 5% chance of zed time on headshot. It's stupid i know. Just use that and co ordinate with a lvl 25 demo to nuke those fatasses.

>>149180694
>64 thousand health on 6man HoE Hans that can kill you in 2 hits, outruns every perk
>scatter 10 or so ammo boxes that restore 1 mag for each weapon across the map
>lol infinite ammo babies
based retardbro

>>149180694
>knife
And do what? 500 slashes until you get a pinch of their health down? Guess i'll take the katana just in case :^)

>>149180694
>You have pistol and fucking knife.
Yeah man I'm gonna kill that 64k HP boss that can heal with my Pistol and Knife, takes real skill of course to run the same kiting path for 40 minutes

>>149181663
Has anyone knifed Hans or Patty on HoE?

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>>149181214
>>149181663
>>149182213
The point is that it was possible to do so before this patch. It just took some skill and team of people who weren't fucking retarded.

Spawning all these ammo boxes just makes it easier for no other reason than to appeal the the casual audience. HoE is the hardest difficulty this game has to offer. Any old fuckwit shouldn't be able to boot up the game and beat HoE just because he had a infinite supply of ammo.

It's make thing easier and takes away all the fun and thrill of playing the hardest possible match the game has to offer.

If you left this shit go unchecked Tripwire if just going to keep adjusting the game to make it easier and easier until eventually it's an even bigger pile of shit than it already is.

Don't say I didn't fucking warn you /kfg/.

>>149180082
I agree with you but it was better than nothing, those fuckers don't understand that hans still has a crapton of HP and it's a fucking chore to fight, I rather have no ammo and a reduced boss HP but hey it's TWI.

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>>149172991

>>149182905
>it was possible to do so before this patch
>by gunslingers and medics by abusing ledges
Ammo isn't the problem, it's his massive health pool basically requiring kiting him for 30+ minutes. Fix that and we can argue about ammo.

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>KF-ParkingGarage began development a year ago

It's an abstract kind of feel

>tries to download patch
>steam crashes
>it instantly closes after I launch it, even after I restart my computer
fucking tripwire. I have no idea what to do now, and it seems like barely anyone else is having this issue.

>>149185457
happy birthday doggie

>>149172991
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH939ugm_70

>>149187545
try offline mode

killer instinct should be in the OP

>>149187756
yea that works, but doesnt change anything. I cant stop the download, so when I go online, it instantly crashes again.

>>149187908
can you change KF2's update preferences in your library?

>>149180694
this has to be bait

I refuse to believe someone is masochistic enough to enjoy chipping away at thousands of HP with a knife and a pistol

>>149188016
nope, not offline. but I just decided to uninstall it and that worked. ill reinstall it another time, havent played it in ages. thanks for the help!

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>>149182905
With the health nerf on Hans now i'd agree that ammo spawning shouldn't be as frantic, but don't act like before was skill when it was running around for 10 minutes as something fast like medic or slinger, waiting for a box to spawn just to chip barely 1% of his health.

Thats not challenging in a fun way, its tedious and relying on RNG to give you a pitiful chance assuming they don't just give you something absolute trash like an AR-15 instead, if you want to run around as a low health demo using only your knife then more power to you I guess.

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>>149190304
>the health nerf on Hans
Hans 6p HoE hp didn't get changed at all

pic

>>149190708
>hans vs patty
who wins?

>>149190708
Tripwire be lying again?

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>>149190708
>Old man in a suit has more HP than a huge mutated mass of muscle

>>149180082
>>149182905
>>149180694
Are you the same anon that was angry about that armour dude being a costume rather than a character?

Being easier doesn't make it worse.

>>149190708
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOK27BZAARo

>>149191067
meant
>>149190758

>>149191067
This is an intense battle

>>149191032
Except it does when in referring to HoE.

Why else would someone play HoE other than they want a challenging experience?

>>149191467
running out of ammo for after using up several weapons isn't challenging it's just tedious

>>149190787
>oh 1.7x seems low enough for HoE, I'll write up that we've decreased it
wouldn't be surprised if we get 1040 in less than a day

if they really wanted to fix hans:
>bring back gas stacking to make him actually threatening in his first phase
>reduce melee damage, being 2shot by something that can outrun every perk in the game is ridiculous
>cut all hp values in half
>reduce all shield values to 75-80% of what they are now
Hans healing and mobility during his shield is okay, it's the 64k pool on top that makes it cancerous

>>149191467
show me one 6man HoE Hans kill that doesn't involve 20+ minutes of kiting or ledge abuse

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>>149172991

>>149191680
You know why it's tedious? Because it's fucking challenging you mouth breather.

You can't just look in the boss' general direction and click as fast as you can. You need to THINK about how you're going to kill and come up with a plan.

Sorry this is too much work for your under developed brain.

>>149192085
Please post a clip of what you think is a skillful Hans kill, then

>People defending Hans
Tripwire forums leaking again?

>>149192426
people just need to get themselves angry at everything new

That, and act intentionally difficult for (you)'s

>>149191067
>no one throwing dosh
kinda ruined desu

>>149192085
shouldn't you be on the forums slurping yoshiros fat cock right now, bud?

>>149192085
Are you really that fucking retarded or just a shitter that beat HoE once and thinks he knows everything about the game like that one guy on Steam forums who was saying that Zerker is still OP and unbelievably easy on Hoe and when I finally had a chance to play with him he was dying each round because he was trying to kill every big zed alone with Zwei.

>You can't just look in the boss' general direction and click as fast as you can. You need to THINK about how you're going to kill and come up with a plan.
But that's the whole fucking plan, you shoot him and run away when he's going for melee. Nothing more. There's no room for planning when he can one shot you if you don't have armor. You kite him and shoot when there's a chance.

It only challenges your patience, not skill.

>>149192085
>running in circles is fucking challenging
How about giving him flamethrower that was scrapped in developing?
That would change few thing about fighting him.
Who am I kidding it would look completely the same.

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This thread only serves to remind me that killing floor servers are mostly empty these days.

LET'S GET THIS THING STARTED

>>149198360
*unzips dick*

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>>149172991

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>>149180694

>64k boss health
>YOU DON'T NEED AMMO FOR YOUR $1500 GUN, YOU HAVE A PISTOL

>>149192085
>tfw you will never be as TALENTED as this guy

>>149199278
>>149199516
I'm pretty sure this guy is just trolling to get some replies and make this thread more alive.

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>yfw KF2 will go f2p during your lifetime

>>149200527
>we're happy to announce that TODAY, Killing Floor 2 is leaving Early Access!
>we will now enter the "post-support" period for the game, where we will be able to supply you with new, free content for the years to come
>I also have one more announcement to make...
>starting today... KILLING FLOOR 2 IS FREE TO PLAY! You can go on Steam and download it RIGHT now!
I only want it to happen because then more people would buy keys for my skins.

>>149200794

Pretty much. The only upside for me is that the game wouldn't be ded 24/7.

Also ay yo are you the SWAT skins guy?
I've been trying to get my hands on your 9mm for ages.

>>149201205

>Also ay yo are you the SWAT skins guy?
Yes. I'm quite surprised to see how they're doing on the market, honestly.
The 9mm was the second lowest (only above the MB500) voted item in the collection, but it has the most demand and is the most expensive other than the SCARs of course.
I'd like to tell you to go gamble on some crates so I can get money, but since Tripwire gets 75% of it and doesn't seem to be doing anything for the moment I'll let my greed rest for now.

why is the crossbow so shit?

>>149201745

Yeah I personally don't use market skins since I prefer my own custom skins, but the one gun I like to buy for is the 9mm.

I've been using the Airlock for a long time, I really love it, but now I'm like man I NEED a 9mm brought to me by someone from /kfg/.

>>149202124
>not hitscan
>underwhelming sound
>stun is too short
>needs around 3 bolts for Scrakes

If the stun was longer I'd at least use it with the M14 to decap Scrakes

>>149201205
>>I've been trying to get my hands on your 9mm for ages.
you realize you can get all the official skins for free right? They're packaged with the game files

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>>149200527
>>149200794
>mfw KF2 goes F2P
>mfw I technically paid $30 for the exclusive Wilkes suit because EA buyers amirite?

I'm more concerned of the influx of shitters, BR's, and aimbotters in a PvE game if F2P does ever happen.

>>149203621
can you still solo the game on sui?

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>>149204872
Yes.

Unless that votekick option comes up on me because I'm actually carrying salty tryhards that got cornered and died.

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>wave 3
>people already welding shit

>>149206294
Are they ever going to fix welding

it's literally useless right now

>>149206294
I hope they buff welding too when they rework Support.

And we're back to 73% now.

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>>149206632
I swear, these reviews have to be from paid shills.

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>>149208201
>check reviews
>sadjkl
>y
>veri good gaem
Something seems fishy here my friend

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>>149208271
You're overthingking it, anon.

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>>149210783
Maybe, It's been a long time and I maybe need some sleep, I'm getting a bit paranoid to be quite honest my man.
Thanks for the heads up, cheers anon!

Info for demos

Armor Piercing Rounds increases an RPG headshot from 990 to 1320 on a scrake(248 to 330 with the M79), it's still a 2 shot kill with or without the skill, dud or not.

However, the skill will enable an RPG + M79 decap combo, which is actually pretty fast and works from any range. However, you will not be able to knock it down, only a stumble, and it will rage after an M79 headshot.

On a Fleshpound, it increases the impact damage on a headshot/chest plate shot from 248 to 330, no effect on the actual explosion damage, 4 shots to kill with or without the skill(3 RPG + 1 M79 works as well)

The choice is either

AP:
-RPG + M79 scrake decap combo
-slightly more damage to FP assuming chestplate/headshots(negligible, 320 damage)

Concussive:
-can knock down scrakes with RPG or M79 dud headshots(easier 2 shot decap but might screw up a teammate's combo)
-can knock down FP with RPG dud headshots(will not cause rage, could be used to buy time/make space)

High Impact Rounds does nothing at all, pick Extra Rounds every time

>>149203202

Oh I know that, I just want to buy the 9mm because I want people to see my 9mm skin when I whip it out.
Yes I know how autistic that is but I can't help it.

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>>149212272
vid

>>149206632
>>149208201
>>149208271
how does it feel to be on the wrong side of history?

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If that's wrong, then I don't want to be right.

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>When you see someone from /kfg/ step up on a fanboy with legitimate points and statements and the fanboy just melts into a puddle of "Yeah well ur a hater shut up toxic don't trigger me"

>>149216924
was this steam forums

>>149203202
How does one do this? Where would I find the files?

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>>149218804

Yeah it was.
Sad shit.
You'd think a fanboy would have the nerve to defend his own thread, not just cave in as soon as an unfriendly opinion rolls through his hugbox.

Man I miss the old days when people would put up a good fight for Tripwire.
I guess they all got fed up and left, because all I see nowadays are these jellies who melt in the heat.

>>149219071

Be advised, it works in first person only.

Smash or Massacre?

>>149219820

SM"ight makes right"ASH

>try to make good 6man HoE FP combo with RPG/M79
>explosion damage randomly fluctuates
why

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>>149219328
Thanks, Anon.

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>>149219328
>someone actually saved the sloppy MS Paint tutorial I did while drunk on a Thursday

>that level +15 guy that dies on hard
what's his story?

>>149222536
Guy who bought the game last sale and doesn't knows much about it or plays every few months and doesn't keeps up with with the meta

>>149220873
it works so why not? :^)))))))))))))

>>149227264
because it's full of typos and was sloppily done with no effort.

Still pissed the skins came with nothing more than a D layer. Kinda amateur if you ask me

>>149227847
you're sloppily done ;)

rip thread

see you guys next update

WANKERS

>>149231526
V 5 2

>>149206632
>>149208201
But recent ones only show reviews from last 30 days, so people whom posted after sharpshooter update will not count as much into it anymore.

>>149233324
That's not teleporting, that's the awful spawn system

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>>149212272
>>149215784
Thanks for the science anon t. demo main

High-Impact Rounds really does nothing? Sasuga Tripwire

>>149231931
>>149232149
anon your bloom is fucked

other than that pretty good/10

>>149233836
forgot to mention that you can knock down an FP with either skill with an RPG legshot

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>>149233324

Just to be clear, we are dead again right?

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>>149239343
Of course, anon!

Unless there is a WWAUT soon.

>>149180694
>How about you shitters learn to aim for the weak points and manage your ammo. You have pistol and fucking knife.

>5873 9mm bullets as any perk that doesn't get 9mm bonuses
>660 knife heavy swings as any perk that doesn't get melee bonuses
>ss with railgun takes 37 shots
>berserker doesn't take any ammo unless you're unironically using the nailgun or evis
>implying ammo conservation or money matters on the final wave of the game and people won't buy extra weapons anyways like before
>implying the ammo boxes make a difference on a good team
>implying seeing Hans' HP gives you an advantage when he has 64600 HP
>implying you even play the game and I'm just responding to old bait
here's your last (You)

>>149241697
>and people won't buy extra weapons anyways like before
Different anon here, would like to pipe in that the weapon despawn timers made me stop buying weapons. By the time you need a fresh one on most perks, the boss should be ded, and if it isn't, the guns have despawned.

>>149242591
Weapons take 5 minutes to despawn, not like you're going to do anything else with the dosh besides throw it around when you finally win.

>>149242719
>spend it on things that disappear
>throw it around
wow what choice

>>149243098
>playing a PvE game for fun
>shitposting in /kfg/
hmm...

>>149242591

5 minutes is plenty of time. You can even refresh the timer by picking the weapons up and then dropping them again until you need them.
If you feel rushed you can always just take the approach of trying to shit out damage as fast as possible rather than worrying too much about accuracy. Since both bosses have the same head health as body health you only get a x1.1 damage modifier for headshots. Unless you're playing Sharpshooter of course, in which case I guess you should try to aim more. But nonetheless you can still drop and pick up weapons between phases.

>>149191067
>hans heals on patty
>"WHAT DO YOU TIHNK YOU'RE DOING"
laughed

How do you get to play on the manor remake? I have never ever seen a single server playing it. i would hardly miss it too, the active HoE server list is like 15 rows long at any point.

>>149191067
Here's the map if anyone wants it
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxL0Z3fxfvI-Ymk4OWI2NU1TZTA/view?pref=2&pli=1
If you try to do a Hans vs Pat, whoever is the enemy zed will win because they can go into their healing mode, the "friend" zed can't for some reason so it's not a 'real' boss battle.

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>>149242591
>could just magdump with AA12 in like 2 minutes and do nice damage
>weapons expensive as fuck because ammo alone is almost 600 dosh (it may as well have stayed 1700)
>lucky to afford two because supports easily one of the worst when it comes to making money
>if I burn through AA12's too quick i'll probably just be twiddling my thumbs on the last stages and teammates would call me dead weight (actually happened from a firebug who had like 800 bucks cash leftover and didn't share like the jew he is)
The balance of life

When you can solo one entrance on your own while the rest of the team focuses on another. Feels good man. Feel like a true asset to team.

Upgraded my Computer and got back into the original game, right now I see no reason to buy KF2 unless it gets a heavy discount.
Am I right?

>>149246109
Holy shit hahaha, just checked the store page and it's STILL in early access
I remember the threads were people got so hype about this despite Early access going wrong 99.9% of times.

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>>149237984
>>149233324
Post more game conductor webums. That shit is retarded.

>>149246673
Hahaha bloat thinks he's a ninja

>start hoe game as fb
>small group of zeds approaching
>spray them with fire, all goes well
>siren yells
>bloat pukes
>i'm dead

what?

>>149216924
To be fair, a lot of /kfg/ -are- toxic haters.

>>149247078
not in chat ;)

>>149247220
especially not that dude steph

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>>149248760

>>149249221
>playing fatport
She had it coming

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>>149198853
f-for healslut??

that new flaslight feels amazing

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Posting some good old shit

>>149249363
I want to hold healslut in my small, scrawny commando arms but get cucked by a demo bull, while he makes healslut beg for his big RPG to destroy his succulent boipucci

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>>149249971
You only need to ---beg for it

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>>149249770
>crosshair

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>>149250175
come at me, I play Ana!

>>149250175
"le crosshairs are a crutch" memes aside, I don't get why people use the ones in-game, they're fucking terrible and I find myself missing from trying to rely on them.

>>149250339
>ana player
>complete and total garbage
like clockwork

>>149250175
>"memorizing" where the center of your screen is while hip-firing or using an overlay that doesn't show up on video so no one can call you out

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>>149250426
I can't be bothered getting a better one, I like the in-game one

>>149250537
Don't you get vac banned if you do that kind of shit?

Having no crosshair is an integral part of KF, there is no reason to have one. You are literally a shitter if you do.

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>>149250662

>>149250662
>Don't you get vac banned if you do that kind of shit?
lol no
>Having no crosshair is an integral part of KF
says who? hitboxes in KF1 were complete shit and adding a crosshair wouldn't make them better

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>>149250537
>game offers you a crosshair
>"nah this crosshairs shit tbqh i'm gonna fit on a better one"
>WE'RE GONNA VAC BAN YOU KIDDO HOW DARE YOU USE THIS FEATURE DIFFERENTLY
Its a fucking crosshair replacement dude, not an aimbot

>>149250561
Damn this medic just gave up lol

>>149250836
Says KF1 not having a crosshair, period. It was a choice to not have a crosshair regardless of hitboxes or whatever other goalpost you want to move.

I suppose it's an immersion thing, making the game feel less videogamey, as well as a way to increase difficulty.

>>149250881
The game doesn't offer you to modify that crosshair. Doing so requires third party software and I'm pretty sure they are considered cheats in VAC.

>>149249971
>demo
>bull

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>>149251076

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>>149251076
Demo is strong now

>>149250986
>Says KF1 not having a crosshair, period.
>KF2, the successor to the ridiculously fun and successful original title, has a crosshair in it
If it was such "an integral part of KF" why would they add a crosshair option and why are people so obsesed about using one or not?
Is it a superiority thing where they feel they're more "skilled" they can kill AI zombies better than someone else who uses a crosshair?

>>149249971
>succulent boipucci

>>149251372
Because they're casualizing the game for neo-/v/ and ps4 people.

Why are you so quick to forget that point when it fits your narrative?

Is it a superiority thing? Do people feel more skilled killing ZEDs without it?
Of course it is you fucking idiot, it's objectively harder to kill them without a crosshair, that makes them objectively superior. Are you trying to reverse-snob that?

>>149251372
>is it a superiority thing
Pretty much, like most people they just want to appear as "HARDCORE GAMER xDDDD", like the type of fags who will go out of their way to try top the scoreboard just to have a momentary gloat over a TEAM BASED game. Like chill you fucking niggers, save that shit for your CoD plays.

>>149251408
Yes???

>>149251606
>Because they're casualizing the game
>A company wants to make money so they added something I don't approve of and TW are clearly in the wrong how could they betray me!
>Wilkes is a costume for EA customers wth!
>Use pistol/knife on boss wave fucking shitters
>Don't you even dare enabling that crosshair faggot, because the only way I'll know you're using one is if you tell me you are or show proof of in-game footage/screenshots on the internet

>>149251731
>like the type of fags who will go out of their way to try top the scoreboard just to have a momentary gloat over a TEAM BASED game
>runs away from the team so medic can't heal them
>dies
>l33t cuckmando has left the game
>fatport: "he was obviously using a crosshair guise :^)"

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>>149251731
The concept of not trying to top the scoreboard when playing a damage-heavy perk is a fucking meme for kids trying to act mature on the internet.

Everybody enjoys the competition for high score when playing gs/support/commando/etc, it's part of the fun and it's not wrong as long as you don't actually lose the game doing that.

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>>149252151
I'm not going to answer that disgusting strawman, go fuck yourself. That'll teach me to try and reason with shitposters.

>>149252160
noice

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>>149252398
I've just had too many times when people actually got legitimately pissed because they were only third on the kill count, hell even in one game:
>commando is on his own because le lone wolf
>see he's getting overswarmed and heavily damaged so rush in and help clear for a few seconds before rushing back to the mainlines
>"fuck off i'm handling this side"
Then I just went full cheeky mode once he got so bitter
>fleshpound spawns his side
>calls out fleshpound
>say "no guys, you heard him he can handle that side himself"
>team actually listens to me probably because they saw how salty he was
>he dies a glorious death because crawlers blocked his backpedal and he starts saying he hopes I get cancer

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>>149252623
here's another one, not as clean but it worked

>>149252829
>corner husk/siren/bloat
EVERYTIME

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>>149252995

>>149253183
You were very close from being doubleteamed there.

>>149252516
>"they're casualizing the game"
>implying that's a bad thing for a company
>"Of course it is you fucking idiot, it's objectively harder to kill them without a crosshair, that makes them objectively superior. Are you trying to reverse-snob that?"
>getting defensive about not using a crosshair when the option is available to all players
Any time a post gets a response with ">crosshair" it's always the same shit with no real reasoning besides "I'm better than you by choosing NOT to use a crosshair :)"

>>149252828
Like everything, there are limits in which it's alright, but pretending to be clean of this sinful feeling is pointless. We all like it when we're up there with 800 kills, some more than others, some too much for sure.

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>>149253245
yeah it was one of those "oh fuck!" moments

>you will never doubleteam xenos
why even live

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>>149253284
It's a bad thing for the game and the community, everybody including you always agreed on that except now because you want to defend the crosshair.

I'm not getting defensive over anything, I'm clearly getting aggressive and challenging your notion that having a crosshair is good because... I don't even know what's your excuse for it, you haven't presented any argument past memes and "TWI put it in so it's a good thing" and "I'm better than you because I don't snob crosshairs".

Any time I personally say ">crosshair" I fully back it up with the reasoning that 1/ It's the opposite of what KF1 tried to do and 2/ There's no reason to have one beside making it easier. I mock people here showing off videos with the crosshair enabled because this is /kfg/ where everyone is a HoE expert and a 4K hours KF1 veteran and is the very cream of the crop of the community.

>>149253878
lmao if you think the players here are good you must be deluded. I've only seen a couple of posts that were definitely from good players.

>>149253313
I'll admit I do get a moment of joy when i'm just taking my usual routine and end up there on the high end of the boards, but going out of my way to force myself to get ALL the kills just isn't fun. if anything it just feels like i'm being annoying because i'm hogging a chunk of the fun just for a moment of glory, like 'that' firebug who just sprays everything and runs away, I ain't about that.
I'm just a man who prefers to do his bit to be an alright guy, than just rushing in front of teammates to block and snag some extra kills like a right cunt.

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>>149253972
good like Kilo?

>>149253976
There's a balance to it, yes. It's only fun for me when the 2nd and 3rd player are close and compete with me. When you're 200 kills ahead you're probably being annoying I agree.

>>149254113
>you will never explode on kilo

Why are french faggots consistently the best yurop players I come across? Every single time I play with really solid players they turn out to be french, or russian sometimes.

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>>149253878
The thing with KF1 was you didn't even need a crosshair because everything moved so slow and hipfiring felt accurate, though the funky hitboxes probably helped in that regard.

KF2 is just a rushfest with screen shaking from as much as a medic gas grenade lightly puffing out gas, zeds that flail in circles, hipfires feeling way off compared to before and weapon recoil feeling far more strong, its not exactly the same game as it was before where you could just calmly fire in your own time.
I can't blame someone for using a crosshair, albeit a shitty one, in this generic action movie fest, i've personally gotten used to it but this isn't the same as it was back then.

>>149254393
>russian
You can't fool us

>>149254393
HoE community, from biggest to smallest is:

Japan>Korea>America>Russia>Europe

Source: Friend who plays HoE with many different countries, some of the best players too.

>>149254393
It appears that there are nice people in all countries, who would have thought?

>>149251606
>it's objectively harder
>that makes them objectively superior.

bruh
not everything hard is good

hard =/= good

hard things can be good
easy things can also be good

So did they show SWAT shit in the QA stream thing?

>>149253878
>1/ It's the opposite of what KF1 tried to do
If I wanted to play KF1:HD remake, why not just play KF1, KF2 shouldn't be a direct copy of KF1
>2/ There's no reason to have one beside making it easier
What easier? it's not like the game is aiming for you when you enable the crosshair.
It only provides less strain trying to find the center of your screen.
It's not going to make you a god-tier player and it doesn't make you a shitter.
Playing with the HUD makes the game easier, so are you saying if it was disabled by default, turning it on would make you a shitter?
Using a crosshair or not doesn't prove anything when you could just ADS which is basically just toggling a visual crosshair with the weapon's iron sights.

>>149254484
Fair point but I do just fine without it so I'm inclined to think they took the easy solution instead of letting the players get use to it. It's probably enabled by default isn't it?

>>149254632
Superior doesn't have to mean good. They're objectively superior in the art of popping ZED heads because they don't need a crosshair to do it. I don't know what more to tell you.

>defending crutches and a general dumbing down of the game
>in the killing "hell on earth" floor general
baka desu

>>149255178
>implying there's a hell on earth mode for VS survival
>implying I'm not x10 better than you when I plug in my Steam™ Controller©
okay kiddo

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>>149255178
>killing "hell on earth" floor general
No, we're the killing "hard, the only difficulty that matters" floor general
If you want to be smug over some dying PvE game, go to reddit.

>>149254993
It's one of the things that made KF1 what it is and I think they should have kept it this way.

Playing without HUD would be great if there was an alternative to it, but there isn't. Crosshair has an alternative: tracer rounds and iron sight. That's another thing, both of these have drawbacks and advantages, but they don't actually matter because crosshair does it better with no drawback at all. Even moreso if they do a dot/ut99 crosshair like you would prefer, I assume.

>>149254506
i'm calling bs
all the americans i played hoe with were terrible

>>149254837
Only the MP5 really. go watch the twitch vod you lazy crap, or look up a summary.

>>149255081
oh right, i thought you meant it made the game "objectively superior"

reguardless, it's still a dumb sentiment - it's a PvE game, and people should be allowed to that how they want

anyway, people can get the same effect by just sticking a bit of glue tack to the center of their screen, so it'd just be easier to let people get their crosshair normally

>>149256786
I don't mind that they do, I mind that TWI made it possible in the first place. And I'll call people who defend it in /kfg/ shitters because it literally makes the game easier to play and we're the first ones to whine that HoE is too easy.

>people can get the same effect by just sticking a bit of glue tack to the center of their screen, so it'd just be easier to let people get their crosshair normally
people can get aimbots on russian cheat websites, so it'd just be easier to let people get their aimbot in the option menu, right?

>>149251076
rimworld confirmed demos for bulls

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>>149257239
>comparing crosshairs to an aimbot

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>>149257763
>pretending I didn't make a solid point

>>149257840
Your point is that people will play the game how they want because they don't care about someone's opinion on the internet?

Ana think she slick......

>>149258057
what?

>>149257840
>Arguing with people on the internet

thats some goodshit rightth ere

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>>149258317
Is there a sticker I can put on my monitor that gives me infinite ammo and aimbot?

>>149257239
>we're
/kfg/ is not one person.

>>149259194 (You)
Yes I am, stop samefagging

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>>149259194
>>149259798

>>149258925
What does it matter whether it's a sticker, software or even hardware?
The idea that "if people can do it with 3rd party we might as well do native support of it" makes no sense

>>149260090
Golden times

>>149260271
What part of it makes no sense?
100% of FPS games today have a crosshair option and no one complains about it.
Yet 0% of games include a built-in aimbot which is why it's frowned upon because those games also have a competitive mode as well.
KF2's "competitive" mode is just VS Survival and even without a HUD you could stomp the player zeds without even trying because the difficulty it's limited to is fucking normal.
Getting riled up over a crosshair in a primarily PvE game is just full blown autism.
The "well KF1 did this" mentality needs to stop, just play KF1 if you want to feel cool.

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>>149261282
Of course there are fps game today that don't have crosshairs like Rust, or KF. It's a fucking game design decision, you don't have to do it because most other games do it.

If players want it hard enough to find 3rd party solutions then that's how it is, you don't have to change your game design because of that, hence the comparison to aimbot. Some people want it but it's not how the game is designed, thus they will use cheats and not a game option.

You can stop bringing up "competitive" buzzword, it's irrelevant in KF2.

You seem to be the one getting riled up I'm calling you a shitter for using it.

The "KF1 did this" mentality has no reason to stop because KF2 is a sequel to KF1.

Are KF1 harder than KF2?

>>149263307
Yes

>>149263307
No

>>149261282
100% of FPS games today have a crosshair option
no

>>149263019
>>149263496
>only lists rust and kf1
99.9%

>>149263496
i meant to use meme arrows, i let you down /kfg/, sorry

>>149263307
maybe

>>149263307
I don't know.

>>149263307
Can you repeat the question?

>>149263584
Doesn't make your point any more relevant. "Most games have it" is not a good reason for anything.

Most fps have iron sights, why do cs get away still not having iron sights???

It's game design for fuck sake, I can't believe I'm explaining this.

KF had no crosshair and it was perfectly fine. Maybe some people used software to have one, maybe some other used tape on their monitor, so it should have one built in too??
People use autohotkey to have sprint toggle, people buy mice with "single click" or "three clicks" button for controlled shooting, that should all be built-in too, right???

I understand people saying the crosshair is good because the game is harder than KF1 when it comes to aiming at bobbing heads, that makes sense although I still disagree with it, but you make no fucking sense my friend.

christ, this crosshair discussion is autistic as phuck

>>149265609
Let it go anon.

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>>149265816
The only upside is that its keeping this place alive with actual discussion, even if its a minor thing.

Gunslinger is objectively the best perk, fight me.

>>149266386
I agree

>>149266386
Subjectively too, desu

>>149266065
what about local sluts

>>149267196
>local sluts
Everyones pure here, no sluts, just us clean virgins

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>>149266386
>That feeling when you're soloing scrakes and fleshpounds left and right while people are asking where are they or did they got stuck

>>149268227
Play demo and get to feel this even more

>>149268346
>even more
Not really, it takes some accuracy to do it.

>>149268346
>play demo
>shoot fleshpound
>its body ragdolls right on the edge of the group and gets pissed
Good times

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>>149268646
>play demo
>shoot fleshpound
>its gets sent flying outside the map

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mENp-S8h7NU
LOL

Guys
Reddit actually made something decent
https://www.reddit.com/r/killingfloor/comments/4u24rr/kf2_nichijou_music_mod/

>>149269487
Yes, YES!

>>149269487
>not initial d music mod
disappointed desu

>>149269726
didn't one of those get made?
otherwise post the songs you want and I'll convert them, I have time

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>>149269487
KF2 is saved

>>149269845
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r1LBJK0zxo
This for Hans fight.

>>149269845
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v2hj0mDd7E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ezd24krgiQ

>>149270467
https://mega.nz/#!7xtHnaQZ!30Ht-QvY_jm5647VPPd05Hl7Z08-KeHXXo8bSGLeziE

>>149270835
where you want em?

>>149271487
This one is probably higher quality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv13gl0a-FA
doesn't really matter, surprise me.

Where the anime sluts at? Everywhere on /vg/ has them and you're no exception

>>149275062
they couldn't handle the banter.

>>149275062
GROUP
CHAT

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>join game
>2 commandos
Kill counts leaderboards are a mistake

>>149271487
You should put these in a Mega folder or Pastebin so they can be in the OP too, it's already close enough to the char limit.

>>149275575
Play sharp then and never have to deal with trash ever

>>149275575
>Trash cleaners get a lot of kills
Woah holy shit call Gibson

>>149276000
trips confirming SS to replace commando.

>>149275575
what's the point of commando when firebug exists?

>>149276576
Pre-Bullseye FB I'd agree but current FB?
Nah nigga, nah

>>149276576
To appeal to the Call of Duty: Global Offence audience

>>149276576
zed time extensions, stalker/pat call-out, and you don't blind you're teammates or panic the zeds with fire, which also ruins you're teammates' aim.

>>149276449
no retard, with 2 commandos trash will never be an issue, so you can railgun and chill as sharp

>girlfriend wants to play KF
>only plays on meme maps

>>149276778
>no commando
>still chill out as SS

>>149276904
>*demo and firebug causing havoc and screen shakes in front of you*

>get hated for joined latewave
>end up being the last survivor
>leave a simple zed alive
>quit

>Still can't assfuck a Clot's shit-crusted asshole raw with my dick.

>still don't have a cyst bf to dominate my tight boipucci and make me his little sissy bitch

>>149270835
do you have anything where the songs are separated

>>149279827
didn't realize the download link had them all in 1 mp3.
I could just post sepearte YT links.
What's the limit for songs/song IDs?

>>149280641
I think like 30 songs per ST, instrumental or vocals

>>149281131
49 songs

>>149281131
>>149282132
I might do it myself, is there a pastbin list for only instrumental or vocal IDs with their track lengths?
I've converted tracks before but I never knew if the song limit were too long or too short and the song getting cut off or being silent in between.

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>when the medic gets more kills than you

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>>149284028
>when the medic gets killed on hard

>>149284126
context of the gif?

>tfw all perks at level 20 or higher
should I off myself or keep playing?

>>149286916
>Not all Perks at 25
What do you think buddy?

>>149287212
>can't get more xp
feels kinda worthless, I have fatport at 25 and don't play him anymore because of that.

>>149287473
progression has fucking ruined video games

>>149287473
>Playing only for the grind
Having all Perks maxed out is the best, you can finally choose to play whatever you want at any moment you want without worrying about wasting time not leveling X Perk
>Team dying? I'll just go Medic
>Trash overwhelming us? I'll just go Comm/FB
>Boss wave? Time to nuke that nigga

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>>149287640
>Trash overwhelming us? I'll just go [...] FB

>>149287595
it's more about having 250 hours in the game and finding no reason at all to keep playing.

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>>149287640
>I'll just FB
[Votekick initiated]

>>149287640
>ever switching to commando
did this ever happened? did anyone felt like switching to commando ever?

>>149288093
Commando is quite fun to play, and since Firebug is dead and Berserker is trash it's your best option.

>>149288093
I'd hope not, slinger maybe, but never as something as downgraded as cuckmando

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>>149288198
>Commando is quite fun to play

>>149288198
Pre-Bullseye Commando was kinda fun, new Commando is boring as fuck.

>>149288093
>>149288218
Commando is a perfectly fine perk, only people who are shit at the game think it's outright bad.

The problem with commando is that he has no niche (Except for zed time extensions and stalker sightings, which i feel should be the direction he's pushed in further). Sharpshooter for example can kill trash pretty ok with m14+Crossbow(not as good as mando, but still well), and can also deal with big zeds, sort of nullifying any point in taking commando.

>>149288557
>Sharpshooter for example can kill trash pretty ok with m14+Crossbow
his big zed killer is the railgun, without that he's just a shitty commando

>>149283983
I just look in the MACT.txt, instrumentals are ID'd by the _inst. The tricky part is songs that have no vocals at all go for both soundtracks

>>149288557
Commando has:

>most ammo
>most efficient kills on anything smaller than a scrake(3-4 SCAR/AK headshots)
>stalker spotting(massive)
>zedtime extensions
>great damage on SC
>great damage on FP with HE nades
They do nothing badly

>>149288915
If you can only kill big zeds with railgun as sharp you need some practice my friend.
>>149289145
>great damage on SC
>great damage on FP with HE nades
I'd like you to show me some 6p HoE kills using commando. I'm genuinely curious if you can solo big zeds with commando, because if you can i want to learn how you do it. Extra praise if it doesn't need off perk weapons.
HE nades might be ok on FP but only being able to do it once or maybe twice? not really that great then...
Commando clearly cannot deal with big zeds well, unless you can prove me wrong, which i genuinely hope you can.

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>>149290160
It's possible, it's just extremely reliant on how fast you can spam ak12 burst fire into scar mag dumping without missing too many shots.
fleshpound is more reliable since you just follow his head during the rage animation then jump to get hit and finish with the scar.
scrake on the other hand rages almost instantly after a few shots from either scar or ak, so it's a lot sloppier and more work to land headshots

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>>149292707

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>>149290160
Please show me a better kill than this, let alone a 1shot sc kill, without the railgun

Also "great damage" =/= soloing, commando has great DPS in teamshoots and helps a lot of perks combo easier, like GS, Sharp, or demo

>>149292707
>>149293961
Very nice, but looks very difficult to pull off. I'll practice these and see if i can do em. thought my point still remains that SS can do this easier while still killing trash ok.
>>149294263
I can't because the Railgun is a strong (OP and boring) weapon. Even then my point was that the M14 can still kill FPs and Scrakes as Sharpshooter relatively well, yet your original post said that M14/Xbow SS is "just a shitty commando".

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>TFW recognise the shortcomings of KF2, but like it anyway


All we want is a rebalance and more classes

>>149295023
Well commando great at trash clearing and is ok at big guys, while SS is the best for big guys and is ok with trash.
Gunslinger is the best mix of damage and ammo desu.

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>>149295105
>all we want is a rebalance
We're very slowly getting there, now we just wait for the dreaded medic and support changes. Medic will likely be gutted and even more a chore, and support will either be great or rip, its middling and can only get better or worse.

>>149295348
my bet for medic is an accuracy nerf, each weapon shoots like 6 MOA minimum when in a medic's hands

>>149295348
I suppose Medic is gonna get the Zerk treatment and either have to choose between high speed or powerful armor. I think Support will be fine though.