/fog/ - Fallout General

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>>149152453
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I heard someone say big, strong, burly, frightening waifus!

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>>149152487
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>>149152395
>>149152495

Samefag

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>>149151964

Nah I'm not gonna skip work over a mod.

Sorry. I'll release it as-is (and after 2-3 days) I'll begin working on it again.

>>149152548
You are wrong, though I understand I cannot prove this.

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>>149152532
>tfw no psycho courser waifu

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>New Vegas had hidden triggers for companion quests that you might not even find after many playthroughs, companions quests had different outcomes, some even changed your interaction with factions, impacting with the game world
>in Fallout 4 you just need to spam actions the companion likes to be BFFs

Thanks, Todd.

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Presented without further comment.

>>149152820
What's wrong with your FAAACE?

>>149152820

I feel like this series was accidently good

>>149152820
>>149152975
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa5IzHhAdi4

>>149152820
"It's the end of role-playing as you know it"
Predicting 4 way before its time.

>>149152820
That feel when no water chip

>>149152820
>it's the end of role playing as you know it
How oddly prophetic

>>149152623
God bless you

>>149153047
Now I want to play FO1.

Why is there conflict between the factions in Far Harbour?

What the fuck is DimA's plan? I feel like this is really poorly explained and I don't understand what my options are.

I want to side with Far Harbour if possible and save the people there, but I don't even know how to do that.

>>149153214
Grab 2 right after that, get the various restoration mods too.

>>149153263
It as a really shitty DLC, anon, basically:
>dima created fog condensers
>children of the atom get mad because of that
>CONFLICT!

Literally worse than Fallout 3 DLCs.

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whats going on with my mods?

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>minecraft shit in far harbour

every single one of the compter simulation type plot lines have been total dogshit in both F4 and 3. But this one is by far the worst.

>>149153831

>Anchorage
>Shit

Communist detected

>>149153263
>>149153541
Premise is silly, but I found the writing to be much better than the basegame.

And they tried to add skill checks to some quests. Backpedaling aside, it's nice to know Bethesda realizes they fucked up in some way.

>>149153917
Yeah, but we know what Fallout is for Bethesda:
Just a cashgrab and a testing ground for TES games.

>>149153831
>Beth can't make a single good DLC especially if tech is involved
>Obsidian come along and SHIT all over them with OWB.

>>149154107
>OWB
>not the epitome of Science! xD

>>149154269
just dont respond to it

>>149154269
You need to step up that bait game, son.

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>>149154297

this

>>149154107
>>Obsidian come along and SHIT all over them with OWB.
>Fetch Quests: the DLC

The dream, I imagine, would be someone picking up the pieces of Van Buren.

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And I've uploaded my Animu Hairs WIP. Feel free to work on it (If you want) or just simply enjoy the hairs as they are now. I'll get back to work on it on Monday / Tuesday or something.

https://mega.nz/#!qRkWlYBQ!l2AqeshipYb0f1hFB_3YbHUE-IdbruHRQvtPMk2ERRw

>>149154297
>>149154353
>NVfags don't have an argument so they have to resort to shouting bait! xD

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>>149152672
>>149152532

>[...] idea that the robots and technology of Fallout would be based on technology that the 50s projected into the future, so that's how Fallout got explained to people [...] we didn't want to see Terminator style robots, we wanted to see Robby The Robot style robots, we wanted to see Forbidden Planet styled rayguns, and often we came back to this movie

Then comes Bethesda and puts Terminator style robots and futuristic synths.

Ayy.

>>149154597
>sell my car
>cry when someone does something to it that I don't like

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>>149154518
yay ty bb

>>149154597
Interplay never should have gone bankrupt.

>>149154663
That metaphor doesn't work, and you know it.
Thus: learn how to bait.

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>>149154518

thanks, looking forward to the finished product

>>149154741
Maybe if they made a profit off their games they wouldn't have gone bankrupt.
How about this one -
>I can't pay my loan so the bank takes my car
>cry when it gets sold to someone else

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>>149154663
I wonder how people will manage to blame bethesda when obsidian sells out to become relevant again

>>149154794
Still nonfunctional.

>>149154863
Also, stop samefagging.

>>149154863
How is that related to Bethesda at all?
They worked in one project years ago.

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>>149154928

>>149154928
sorry multiple people aren't agreeing with everything you say

>>149154978
Congratulations, you've proven that you can use image manipulation programs.

>>149155026
>butthurt

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>>149155026

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>>149155026
>on an iPhone screenshot
Topkek
Check the timer anon

I think the problem is todd tried to do something new, and ultimately he failed. He tried to appeal to a younger more general audience, and in that way he succeeded but he lost a lot of his hardcore, and modding audience (which the game was directed towards). You can't blame the guy(completely) for trying to compete with games in the modern age on an old engine.

>>149155026
t. delusional obshitards

>>149155110

>on an iphone screenshot

is this the meme that was promised

>>149155026
Haha oh wow

>>149155078
I know you are.

>>149155110
Alternatively, more likely, you've learned how to post from multiple devices simultaneously. Congratulations.

>>149155150
>old bait
Please, put your imagination to use.

>>149155026
He's not samefagging, mate, there are more Bethesda babies than ever lately.

>>149155253
I'm sincerely sorry anon. See you next release.

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>>149155253
HILARIOUS POST

>>149155254
I've noticed that.

>>149155324
>implying I'm leaving
Please, some voices of reasons have to remain.

>>149155358
Thank you, I try.

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>>149155254
>>149155324
>>149155253
>>149155358
>>149155150
>>149155141

>>149152395
http://imgur.com/a/c0G7T

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>>149152395
Daily reminder you should spend more time playing whatever FO you like more than shitposting about the one you like less!

>>149155141
The problem is that they turned Fallout into a soulless cashgrab.

They obviously tried to appeal to CoD players, The Sims players and Minecraft players.
So they'll keep dumbing down the game to appeal to these audiences.

>>149154518
How does it work ?

>>149155414
>ywn be raeped by your deathclaw waifu

>>149155498
Replayability only goes so far. Now I'm stuck with unlimited sadness.
Though I've been experimenting with some /x/ shit lately. Maybe once I learn how to lucid I'll be able to literally play the Fallout of my dreams and stop shitposting.

>>149155619
time to find a new game then, anon.

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Frost when

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>>149155613

It adds some hair options to the game

Also in Hubris comics are some equippable bangs you can simply put on like hats. Female only. I think they'd look weird on males anyway.

>>149154748
>>149154691

You're welcome, have fun

>>149155672
Can't.
Nothing will fill that emptiness.

I mean, I could pick up Arcanum again...

>Sneak up on some deathskull radscorpions
>cap one twice in the back
>it burrows into the ground and instantly pops up behind me
>"pssshhh.... nothin' personnel.... kid"
>instant-killed

Working as intended.

>>149155812
Anon I don't mean drop it completely. Just put it down for a few months and come back, see how refreshing it is
T. Replayed every FO to NV on a binge before picking up FO4

>>149155810
What the fuck is wrong with the textures of your clothes and skin?

>>149155810
hnnng

>>149153769
textures or shadows

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Raider playthrough

>SPECIAL favours strength and endurance
>Do not take any perks related to advanced technology such as Hacker, Science! and Nuclear Physicist. Perks like Gun Nut and Scrapper are fine
>Scrap based weapons and armor only. If it looks like it was made by somebody with two brain cells you do not use it
>Abuse drugs and alcohol like mad even out of combat, you cannot take perks that remove addiction
>During dialogue, always take the threatening/selfish options, also any options where you kill people
>Naturally avoid the main quest and any faction allegiances, and if you're prepping for Nuka World, avoid killing settlers for now
>For Far Harbor players, side with the Children of Atom

>>149156286
>raider play through
Do whatever the fuck you want

Well to be completely honest the settlement building shit was a very popular mod in fallout 3 and new vegas, people complained about how the fallput games felt when shooting in 3rd person and how the guns didn't feel real. This community is unpleaseable. I think bethesda tried to add the shit in we asked for.
>>149156371
Restrictions add challenge and fun to the game anon.

>>149156451
And removed things we like, like roleplaying capability, good dialogues, good characters, good worldbuilding, good quests, good companions...

But hooray for adding Minecraft shit that is as bland and shallow as the FO3/NV mod.

>>149156371
That's not how it works. A Raider is a Raider regardless of the fancy name like Gunners.

>>149156451
Honestly I was just memeing, but imo a "raider" play through should be a bit more varied i.e. What if I want to be a triggerman, gunner, or just a rogue Talon Co, they're raiders, right?
Needs more paths ya know?

>>149156371
>>149156286

builds themes or whatever the heck this is are cheesy just do it and show your actual character

>>149156286
>Raider playthrough
>SHAUN! SHAUN!
>WHERE IS MY SHAUN!
>mild asshole options only

Fixed.

>>149156537
>bland and shallow as the FO3/NV mod
hyperbole

>>149156648
but with the main storyline there's potential for that mild asshole to totally become more twisted and deranged as the plot goes on.

>>149156675
Not really.
Sure, there is more useless clutter to add, but that's pretty much it.

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MOTHERFUCK what did automatron change with the castle? Before automatron came out i could build in the hallways. After it came out, shit like this happens.

I have it sitting on two rugs under the floor because the rugs wouldn't sit ON THE FUCKING FLOOR OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGH

>>149156748
By doing what?
There is nothing twisted or deranged in the plot. You'll always be a mild asshole no matter what.

>>149156859
I forget that most people don't make headcanon for their characters.
how do you live with being so boring?

>>149156648

>>149156916
this
if you can't do it without the need to have the game explicitly referencing every little thing youve ever done, you are not really roleplaying

>>149156573
You don't know what a cheesy build is. A cheese build is 11 in every stat with every perk and best weapons/mods.

>>149156916
>>149156992
>just ignore the game, bro, that's the only way to roleplay

Kek, Bethbabies are delusional.

>>149156992
THISTBQHWYF

>>149157043
>MOOOOM WHY ISNT THE DM RAILROADING ME THE WAY I WANT TO BE RAILROADED
>MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
this is you

>>149156992
>roleplaying
>in fallout 4

>>149156648
>Avoid the main quest

It's not hard to do. I avoided the main quest shit in NV.

>>149157127
>roleplaying
>in fallout

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>>149157127

>>149157079
this is you

>>149155810
where in hubris comics?

>>149157215
>literally the coolest kid in the fucking house
I'm okay with this.

>>149157079
>>149157215
Honestly pathetic bait attempt.

>>149157191
Last Fallout game you could roleplay in was 2.

All these kids today, killing the RP in RPG.

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>>149157343

How to avoid the main quest.

>Don't talk to Codsworth
>Don't go to Concord
>Don't interact with Piper when actually inside Diamond City
>Don't go to the Vault where Nick is held

It's not hard.

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>>149157343
its just the truth which is why you're upset now

>>149157472
Why are you posting a screenshot of your browser?

>>149157564
why not?

>>149154269
>>149154297
>>149154353
>>149154551
But it is true

OWB's writing and undertones are absolute GOAT

>>149157658
>lol you just got lobotomized and had all these fancy robot bits installed in you and your body totally never rejected them infact they offer you no negative effects at all lol science! xD

Great story desu.

>>149157771

sad bait

>>149157771
Have you even payed atten......oh wait

You're a 2 seconds attention span I prefer le shooties over RPG beshitdrone aren't ya

>>149157821
Sad but true.

>>149157875
>>149157821
>the two obsidian shills are going nuclear

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>>149157949
>if I call anybody a shill they'll go away ahahah

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>>149157875
>lol but it's okay you got plot armor just like every other character in this game
>ulysses survives nukes
>you survive countless stupid bullshit
>graham survives a dive off these cliffs
face it. NV was about as poorly written as FO3.

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>>149152395

>using vanilla piper

>>149158068
it's actually far sadder than shilling

it's spending hours every day, in every thread trying to advertise your -opinion-

at least shills get payed

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>>149158082

>>149156794
that's a bug, reload save

>>149158297
goes both ways bub, atleast I'm actually playing inbetween shitposts.

>>149158343
>no argument
Kek. This is the part where you go full damage control.

>>149158082
>but it's okay you got plot armor just like every other character in this game
?????
The only immortal character in NV is Yes Man, and he can be killed with Plasma weapons
>Ulysses survives a nuke
Does it hit him directly ? no
He was saved by eyebots made specifically for this
>You survive countless bullshit
Like literally every other game ever
>graham survives a dive off these cliffs
And the man's a legend for it, he's known all over the Mojave, Utah and Arizona for this feat
Fucking Moira survives a point blank nuke and nobody bats an eye

>>149158443
>>149158343
Stop replying to bait.

>>149158405
>Respond to NV posters with B8 claims

>nod an argumend xDDD
wew
>>149158517
It's fun to see test how delusional shootyfags and waifufags are

>>149158443
>Moira
Ghouls are kinda explained in lore lad, countless pre-war Ghouls even in NV.
>lol nukes have to hit you directly to kill you
Wow. I guess the entire mandatory 3 month shelter thing in the vaults was just Vtec being mad scientists, huh?
>like every other game
Don't remember any other game starting with you getting shot in the head and somehow revived by someone who isn't a trained neurosurgeon.
>he can survive a dive off a cliff
So how did he survive the dive while on fire?
Unless he's a Synth, he's not surviving that fall.
Face it NVfag, Graham is Darth Maul-tier.

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>>149158517
>stop replying

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Almost personal Vault Time!

>>149155810
I'm using NMM, the mod isn't working

>>149158713
>Ghouls are kinda explained in lore lad, countless pre-war Ghouls even in NV
Except the bomb detonated few meters near her house, and the chance of ghoulifcation is extremely slim, otherwise you'd have 1 billion ghoul roaming around the USA
>lol nukes have to hit you directly
Except the Divide is huge, and only certain areas were hit, we don't know his exact position when it all went to hell
Plus, military medical eyebots.
>Like everyother game
People survive having whole spikes and bars going trough their skulls with only their personality damaged, hence why the courier irrationally wants to fuck up Benny
>Graham
I already explained, the guy is barely alive

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TES formula:

- Morrowind
- Oblivion
- Skyrim
- Fallout 3
- Fallout 4

Fallout formula:

- Fallout 1
- Fallout 2
- Fallout: New Vegas

Discuss disrespectfully.

>>149159083
Spit out the hook, son, it's only gonna get worse.

Long gone are the times when baiters used to practice catch-and-release.

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>>149159083
>barely alive
thats not what your mother said last night

>>149159231
Where does Tactics come in?
Where does Daggerfall come in?

>>149159293
>not even married
Down with the false prophets.

>>149159231
I fully agree
>>149159234
It's just fascinating

>>149159083
>otherwise you'd have one billion ghouls roaming around the USA
There are probably a few million, considering direct radiation exposure is all you need. Nuke's just faster.
>slim chance
Welcome to the mechanics =/= lore section, where you can finish a quest!
>nukes are small radius lol
Oh. Okay. I guess a fat man is an accurate representation of an ICBM.
>muh anecdotes
Okay, so the courier surviving a shot to the head is not plot armor.
>barely alive
He wouldn't be alive at all anon.
The Grand Canyon was canonically used for uranium mining. There's literally no way he could have survived unless he got ghoulified, which, as you said, is a very slim chance of happening.

>>149159231
what exactly do you mean by formula

>>149159418
though, now that I say that, him being a ghoul makes a lot of sense.

>>149159418
I was hoping you were actually genuine and not biased, but damn

That's one hell of a bait

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OK if all you people are gonna do is argue about which game is better then I'm outta here

we have enough acoustics as it is

>>149159534
refute his points don't bitch out

>>149159534
>it's another "I'm just going to call every post bait!" episode
I'm willing to agree with you on two points, fuck off.

>>149156570
Theres a mod that lets you join those factions, and you can take over settlements by killing all inhabitants(it unlocks the settlement vanilla) then you can recruit your own settlers and give them gunner or triggerman gear.

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My fallout suddenly crashes when I press play on the launcher ;-; REEEEEE

>>149159748
loot your load order, use an xedit to check incompatibilities.
sounds like a mod broke.

>>149159342

TES GOAT-tier formula (doing the same thing, but better than the rest TES games):

- Daggerfall
- Morrowind

Fallout spin-off formula:

- Fallout: Tactics

>>149159419

What the games are known for.

TES:

- Lots of exploration.
- Lots of bad sidequests.
- Lots of killing.
- Few ways if any to solve quests in multiple ways.
- Few NPC interactions other than "go do this".
- Grand magical plot.

Fallout:

- Emphasis in interaction with NPCs over exploration.
- Less sidequests, more multiple choices in the sidequests.
- More meaningful sidequests that make sense in the world and generally involve pressing matters. Example: solve the conflicts involving a man taking over a town as opposed to fetch some firesalts for some alchemist.
- Much less killing if you want to play a Speech-based character.
- Less grand storyline, more believable progression.

>>149159586
>acoustics

Nice one, scrufftale.

>>149159810
>less grand storyline
How does FO4 not follow that? It's literally smaller-scale than NV.

>>149159418

>implying all a Nuke does is release radiation
>implying there's no such thing as a fucking blast of heat that turns you to ashes
>implying Moira didn't turn into a ghoul solely because she was the only memorable character of that god awful town
>implying there's actually a plausible explanation behind her ghoulification

wew

>>149159601
>>149159630
Sure, i'll respond to bait

>nukes are small radius lol
You do realize the path you take in LR is only a small part of the divide ???
>Okay, so the courier surviving a shot to the head is not plot armor.
Nope, happens all the time in real life if we are talking realism here
>He wouldn't be alive at all anon.
That's why he's so feared and famous, the guy has tank endurance

>>149159969
Moira literally turned into a ghoul so you could complete the Wasteland Survival Guide, fuckwit.
There's a reason nobody else survived.
This post is godawful bait with no actual basis in lore. If she should have died, Ulysses should have died.

>>149160056
>happens all the time
Sauce, I want 24 instances within the last 24 hours.
>graham
Like Darth Maul, Graham was killed off for the plot and brought back for money.

>>149159931

It's far more grand in concept. "Frozen for 200 years and out to find my now grown up son who's leading this magical factory of balsfbladgbsdg that is wrecking havoc in the wasteland."

And since you are basically shooting things left and right, and you are given PA very early in the game, I'd say it fits the bill.

>>149159809
Thanks for the tip, but I don't use any mods ;w; Could it have something to do with the intro movie maybe?

>>149160130
>I'm looking for my son after being in cryogenic stasis vs I'm the literal centrepiece of a war between two large nation-states

What


>>149160171
Resolution possibly. It was a bitch for me on release before I got my 1080p screen.

>>149155696
they had 90% of the fo4 beta covered in snow and ice and shit, but they changed the whole map for the release

>>149159748
>launcher

so dont use the launcher

>>149160128
>Moira literally turned into a ghoul so you could complete the Wasteland Survival Guide, fuckwit.
Good, so you ARE admiring that Fo3's writing is full of plot armor ?

>Sauce, I want 24 instances within the last 24 hours.
Frontal lobe damage is NOT fatal. That's a medical fact
>Like Darth Maul, Graham was killed off for the plot and brought back for money.
He didn't even appear in the base game you chucklefuck, so it's not money squeezing

>>149160128

>Moira literally turned into a ghoul so you could complete the Wasteland Survival Guide, fuckwit.

No shit Sherlock, that's what I just said.

>If she should have died, Ulysses should have died.

How? Moira's house was right fucking next to the goddamn bomb. It's not about the radiation, it's about the blast. The blast would have totally offed her.

We can't say the same about Ulysses, because we don't know for sure where he was exactly when the bombs denotated. Plus he did have medical eyebots to help him, which Moira certainly didn't have (not that it would have mattered, they would have turned to ashes too).

>>149160239

>What

New Vegas' plot makes far more sense, because it is happening with or without you. What you end up doing is solely tipping the balance one way or another, in realistic ways in fact.

You could basically say the Courier is James Bond, and I would be hardpressed to tell the differences.

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>>149160128
Here's your sauce faggot

Even a brainless faggot like you might survive a headshot

>>149160327
I never denied it was?
???
The conversation had been about bloody NV plot armor before you brought Moira into it lad.
>no sauce
So it doesn't happen all the time, it's just not fatal.
Gotcha. I already admitted it wasn't plot armor, btw. >>149159418

>Mentioned only character killed off for plot was brought back for money
Okay, so he's not a 1:1 of DM.
The point remains, killed for plot, brought back for cash.

>>149160365
You're responding to a post responding to two different anons.
>implying Moira didn't turn into a ghoul solely because she was the only memorable character of that god awful town
Is horrible bait btw.

>right fucking next
You answered your own question. She survived for the Wasteland Survival Guide quest.
If not for the quest, she would've died.
Prove me wrong.

>>149160528
>so it doesn't happen all the time
Nice.

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/16572/?

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>>149160669
>killed for plot
He did not even have any significance whatsoever in the main plot, but why Lanius is a legate in the first place
It's called 'foreshadowing' ye wit

>muh it won't survive
If you can survive pic related with minor injuries than you can definitely survive a 9mm bullet

>>149160892
just chiming in here, phineas gage did not survive with "minor injuries"

his life was absolutely irrevocably wrecked, pick up a psych textbook

>>149161071
Check >>149159083

I did not deny the mental problems

>>149160892
>muh it won't survive
you guys aren't even paying attention to the fact that I've agreed that the courier surviving his headshot was not plot armor.
What gives?
I asked for sauce on how it happens ALL THE TIME.
Because those were the words that were replied to me.
It apparently happens ALL THE TIME yet I can't find it at ALL within my local area.
How?

>muh foreshadowing
It wasn't foreshadowing until the DLC was released and you met joshua graham.
That's shit tier foreshadowing and a flimsy excuse.

>>149161163
>It wasn't foreshadowing
But it was, especially if you side with Legion

>>149160669

>implying Moira didn't turn into a ghoul solely because she was the only memorable character of that god awful town
Is horrible bait btw.

It's not. At all.

>If not for the quest, she would've died. Prove me wrong.

But those two are connected, friend. She is memorable because of that stupid quest, and because she is silly. Do you think she would be memorable if she didn't have that long ass quest associated with her? Not at all.

She survives even if she has completed the quest before.

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didn't think this one through :/

>>149161317
>He did not even have any significance whatsoever in the main plot, but why Lanius is a legate in the first place
>this is foreshadowing to NVfags
So do you wait for every mentioned-only character referred to as dead to be released as a centrepiece for a DLC or what?
Because apparently all they need to do is die without you seeing it.

>>149160669
>>149161392

And before you claim "she survives anyways because the devs are lazy":

"If the quest was not started, she can be found in the Underworld, whereupon she will claim she was 'out-of-town' during the detonation, and apparently unaware of her recent affliction. Depending on how the Wanderer breaks the news to her, she will either fall into despair or remain positive."

They were clearly not lazy enough, as they added a different "meeting" outcome if you had already completed the WSG quest beforehand.

Face it. The devs liked her so much they wouldn't allow her to disappear from the game. No other NPC in Megaton is anywhere near as memorable as she is.

>>149161392
No, she survives because the Wasteland Survival Guide is shown in the Commonwealth in 2287, which means that the Vault Dweller would have had to have assisted her in her experiments. She doesn't die because that's the canonical outcome to the quest.
>>149161510
See above, she has to survive to distribute the guide.

>>149161423
>So do you wait for every mentioned-only character
Except he's hinted to alot, far more than other background characters
>referred to as dead
No, people don't know if he survived or not, that's whole point
And Joshua is not even the center of the DLC

>>149161609
Your only example of foreshadowing was
"He did not even have any significance whatsoever in the main plot, but why Lanius is a legate in the first place"
That's what I went off of.

>>149161423

What is foreshadowing to you? How do you know something is being foreshadowed unless you've actually have proof something happened afterwards?

Joshua Graham was foreshadowed. Why? Because:

- He is mentioned in the game for little to no purpose other than saying "look how cruel Caesar is", but we know already Caesar is a cruel SOAB.
- He appears in a DLC centered around him.

>>149161707
So why doesn't the Legion just get happy-go-lucky after you meet Vulpes? After all, they've already showed you how cruel Caesar is, what's the point of reinforcing that?

>>149161568

>No, she survives because the Wasteland Survival Guide is shown in the Commonwealth in 2287

And canonically the Vault Dweller is a male, though I can play as a female.

And I can convince Moira not to make the guide at all.

So why should she even survive Megaton, if I can chose not to help her? Your argument doesn't make any sense at all.

Moreover, I can actually kill Moira.

>>149161906
>mechanics =/= lore
Sorry lad, FO4's out, WSG is canon.

>>149161779
>what's the point of reinforcing that

Because most people join legion for their edgyness, if they shower you in kisses and flowers after slaughtering the Mojave Outpost in their name that'll put most players off

>>149161779

Because it would break everything established so far. Do I need them to continue with their tough guy looks? Yes. Do I need them to explain how they burned a guy before? No, not at all.

It's foreshadowing. That the DLC came out is proof of it.

Again: what is foreshadowing to you? How do you know you are being foreshadowed something?

thank the emperor that we wont have to deal with the autistic /v/ and NMA retards next week

>>149161980
But anon, we've already shown how cruel caesar is, we don't need anything to reinforce it!

>>149162027
So you agree that it was only foreshadowing after the DLC came out, and was a weak attempt at establishing lore before? Or am I reading this wrong.

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>>149155810
Thanks so much for this! Can't wait til the full release

>>149162189
>But anon, we've already shown how cruel caesar is, we don't need anything to reinforce it!
And I just explained why you shitlet, epik xD

>>149157184
FO4's main quest is a bit harder to avoid.
Can still be done. Its just annoying.

>>149162267
I'm arguing anon's point about how Caesar's punishment for failure is somehow foreshadowing a cheap filler DLC inbetween the overarching plot of the others?

>>149162338
oh, sorry

>>149162408
It's okay
I actually liked NV and HH, it's just Grahamfags are the worst

>>149161938

You still haven't responded.

You said Moira survives the explosion just for her guide to be made. And I just told you you can complete the guide, kill her, and the guide isn't distributed. Moreover, you don't even need to destroy Megaton.

So, once again, you are not making any sense. You can do whatever you like with Moira. You can even murder her.

So what makes you think that she survives the explosion just for the WSG to be made, when I can kill her? Why didn't make her an essential NPC?

Moreover, that such an idiotic quest is canon proves my point that the devs really liked her, and that is why they didn't want you to get rid of her because of Megaton. They wanted the player to have the fun of nuking the town, but not necessarily kill Moira.

>>149160327
>Frontal lobe damage is NOT fatal. That's a medical fact

Being shot in the brain does not cause swelling and choke off the blood supply resulting in the death of the brain?

Yes you can wreck your skull but you need immediate attention to prevent trauma brain death which the Currier did not receive.

>>149162485
>kill her, guide isn't distributed
Appears in FO4, so mechanics =/= lore
>you can murder her
Her guide appears in FO4, see above

>blah blah blah opinion.exe rageqq

Mate, I don't care, WSG is canon, that's not an argument. You're throwing a fit over literally nothing.

>>149162189

Well, I wasn't the other anon you were arguing with.

But to me, you can only recognize foreshadowing when the foreshadowing comes to be true. It is my opinion, though, that it was foreshadowing before the DLC came out, because the story was too good for it not to be a DLC. (Especially since, IIRC, there were legends of him being alive)

It is my opinion, though. The only who can judge it is the devs themselves. We would need to ask "when you wrote that, did you know you were thinking of a burned man DLC?".

>>149162654
Mate if you've ever read a halfway decent novel you don't need to wait for it to come true to know it's foreshadowing.
Okay, maybe you'll need to read like 3 to recognize it. I'll give Obsidian credit in that they managed to pull the final product off okayishly without really offending muh lorefagginess, but there's no doubt that any "foreshadowing" was literally an attempt to build lore with the Legion and it was expanded upon (applaudable, but Graham should've stayed dead and there should've been his loyalists instead of just him)
But hey, life's not perfect.

>>149162604
>Being shot in the brain does not cause swelling and choke off the blood supply resulting in the death of the brain
Depends on the caliber
>you need immediate attention to prevent trauma brain death
He did, he got traitement from a Vault physician

>>149161420
post moar of dat ass

>>149162619

What you don't seem to understand is that we are both right. It's just that your opinion is a consequence of mine: "We like Moira, therefore her Wasteland Guide is canon, despite it being meaningless crap that doesn't even make sense 200 years after the bombs drop".

That is why she survives the explosion, quest completed or not. Because she is a likeable character, and we want to allow the player to have some fun without necessarily getting rid of her.
And that is why she can be killed. Because if the player doesn't like her as much as we do, he can always put a bullet in her head.

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>>149162915
well immediate generally means a bit sooner than the time it takes to bury a full body then unbury it.
Here's what you have five minutes to fill up then dig out again, then perform surgery on.

>>149163130
So how does any of this refute the fact that the WSG is canon?

>>149163135
That's actually pretty quick to dig in two people and they even half-assed it keeping the Courier's hand out and not properly digging him, as we can see when Victor rescues him. It was a shallow grave.

t. dug holes a lot in my life

>>149162846

There are quite a few examples where we are baited to believe in something, only for it to be the opposite. So when we think we are being foreshadowed about something, we end up baited and our expectations are reversed.

It's my opinion that it was foreshadowing. You can call it good or bad foreshadowing, bad meaning "it didn't feel like foreshadowing".

Like I said, the only one who can settle this is the dev behind it. "Yes, I knew we were going to make a DLC about this character, so I added this bit in". Or "no, I didn't, I just added something that sounded cool".

>>149163308
based on that courier's body and the size of that hole his hand would have to be extended and held by something as they buried him to stick out of the ground anon, unless victor was nice enough to dig out the dirt underneath the courier as well.

>>149163379
nice headcanon brah. Without your DLC it would just be another food supplement tier conversation bit.

>>149163135
There are too many factors deciding whether he survives or not
As for the speed of digging, we're talking a robot here, plus the courier's hand and legs were sticking out, so it's a pretty shallow grave

>>149163268

Who said it wasn't canon? All I said was that Moira surviving was a result of the devs liking her and her quest.

That the WSG is canon proves they liked her. They liked her so much, they incorporated her shitty quest into the canon of the series.

>>149163521
Yet the grave it shows you in game is not shallow enough to allow that without something really odd happening while you laid there.

>>149163556
Because that's the point of my argument? Moira survived because her quest was planned to be canon. It doesn't take mental gymnastics.

>>149163135
>>149163308
>>149163521

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZQPmDye5xA

Take your time, Vic.

>>149163480

And like I said, your opinion is just as good as mine. That's what they are. The only one who has the facts is the guy who wrote it.

>>149163696
So it was all a ruse and anything mentioned for lore value is an opinion because a dev didn't come out and say it was canon.
Gotcha.

>>149155498
So you mean we should be talking about 1, 2, and NV then. 3 and 4 arent actually Fallout games so I dont know why we bother discussing them in this general.

>>149164231
people like you are the reason FOG has a strict no-fun-allowed rule
t. anon you responded to

>>149163683

It was your argument because you missed the point of mine.

You can kill Moira in the game. That doesn't stop the WSG from becoming canon.

So, why doesn't Moira die in Megaton? She could die, and her quest be canon afterwards.

Because Moira is likeable, that's why.

>So it was all a ruse and anything mentioned for lore value is an opinion because a dev didn't come out and say it was canon.

what

Are there any FO4 overhauls similar to Better Loacational Damage (with the optional mods installed) or is it the best/only one?

>Once they'd run off, I dug you up to see if you were still kicking. Turns out, you were, so I hauled you off to the Doc right quick.
Says Victor.

And the Courier was in a coma for two days.

Is TTWfixes ever gonna get updated?

>>149164313
>Fun
*Idiocy

>>149163480
I've been staying out of this so far but I thought it was decent worldbuilding, the whole "nobody is exempt from Caesar's law, even his most trusted commander was set aflame and thrown into a canyon for failing him" vibe puts weight behind the legion's actions, they have a very real reason to be afraid of this man that will toss them aside for a single failure, it's not just saying "traitors will pay" it's having an example, and an example of somebody that could have gotten a pass, that presses Caesar's and the legion's clinical inhumanity.

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>>149164231

Amen.

>tfw trudy won't piss in your piss to take care of your thirst

WHEN DOES BUFFSCALE RETURN FROM WORK??????

>>149164320
Your point is that mechanics somehow = lore.

>anything mentioned for lore value is an opinion
It's literally what was said.
>"And like I said, your opinion is just as good as mine. That's what they are. The only one who has the facts is the guy who wrote it."
So until a dev comes out and says "THIS WAS CANON" it's just an opinon.
>>149164473
I already said that up here, it was ignored as per usual.
>>149162338

>>149162915
>>Being shot in the brain does not cause swelling and choke off the blood supply resulting in the death of the brain
>Depends on the caliber

It was NIOT a .22 Short, it was a 9mm pistol round.

>>you need immediate attention to prevent trauma brain death
>He did, he got traitement from a Vault physician

He was tossed in, covered by the rubble and abandoned.
His grave was discovered AFTER the killers left (an unknown interval), he was dug up. carried to the Doc's house and had brain surgery.

I know stimpacks can cure broken bones but can they regenerate dead after three minutes brain tissue too?

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So on a scale of 1 to 10 how disappointing do you guys think Nuka World will be?

>>149164706
10 nvfags crying tier.

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>>149164567
Fuck off, this is fallout general not Buffscale anime hair blog.

>>149164742
What do NVfags have to do with this ????

>>149164820
I don't give a hooker's last queef about that mod. I just wanted to know how I can increase the polygon count of any given .nif using blender, or whatever!

>>149164836
well for about 5 days after release we'll have a general full of people playing the DLC and encountering bugs and NVfags memeing their asses off about said bugs.

>>149164706
10, really disappointing.

>>149164313
Well, the thread is called Fallout General. Generally I'd assume that means you should be discussing Fallout games, and not TES with Guns/Minecraft.

>>149164939
>well for about 5 days after release we'll have a general full of people playing the DLC and encountering bugs and NVfags memeing their asses off about said bugs.

Isn't that what you do in the /v/ threads ? Isn't NV being buggy your whole argument against it ???

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>>149164969
OH SNAP!!!

>>149164969
>7/13 links on the OP are about FO4 alone

Sorry lad, bit too late to stop it now.

I'm making a mod that changes the gunners to the enclave. I'm also making them neutral to the player unless he attacks first.

>>149164969
>TES with Guns/Minecraft
This is terrifyingly accurate


Atleast Fallout didn't fall as deep as TES did, Fo4 still has glimpses of rpg

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>>149165051
>Isn't NV being buggy your whole argument against it?
No, my entire argument against NV is it has the same shit-tier writing as any other FO game.
I unironically enjoyed all of them, to be frank.
Kinda why I encourage you to play what you want to play.

>>149165183
Nope, TES is actually more of a roleplaying franchise than Fallout is now.

>>149165259
>NV is it has the same shit-tier writing as any other FO game.

Realism =/= Good writing
Fo2 was wacky and unrealistic af but it still had excellent character and story writing, so did NV

4 and to an extent 3 were watered down trash

>>149164614

>Your point is that mechanics somehow = lore.

I already told you that isn't my point.

My point is that there are tons of ways to stop Moira from completing her quest. Yet the devs wanted her to survive a bomb. Why? She could have died, and her guide would have been completed canonically. They weren't okay with her dying because of a bomb, but they were certainly okay with the player putting a bullet in her brain.

Why can't you explain that? Lore has nothing to do with this discussion, no matter how hard you try to force it on it.

The fact is that:

- I can tell Moira not to do her quest.
- I can kill Moira.
- I can put a bullet in Moira after the bomb explodes.
- Yet for some reason, the bomb alone doesn't kill her.

I can do all the first three things, and the quest will have been canonically completed. So why did the devs feel the necessity to keep her alive after the bomb? "Because the lore is she completes the guide". Then why am I allowed to kill her?

Your argument doesn't make any sense at all. Mine does: Moira survives the bomb because they wanted the player to be able to bomb Megaton without feeling bad for killing Moira, because she is the only character one may regret not speaking to again. By the time you choose to bomb Megaton, the quest can be easily completed, so Moira serves no purpose in game.

>It's literally what was said.

That was a response to someone talking about Joshua Graham and foreshadowing, it had nothing to do with this discussion.

>>149164706
>So on a scale of 1 to 10 how disappointing do you guys think Nuka World will be?

Trolling this hard, why no wait until it arrives and is experienced before you neck yourself?

>>149165259
So how about you shut the fuck up in the thread then? If you are some kind of equalist, why did you shit on 'NVfags' specifically? You're part of the problem and should stop typing posts.

>>149165371
>opinions.exe
Cool story bro, go play NV and enjoy it, ignore FO3 and FO4 baitposters, and live a happy life.

>>149165183

The Elder Duty: Modern Minecraft

>>149165356
>implying

Atleast Fallout 4 forces you to choose on side

in Sky's rim you can become the master of all the guilds ffs, even if they are the complete opposite of your build and still do it easily

>>149165183
I could actually role play in Skyrim
I could not do the same in fallout 4

>>149165473
Because I see NVfags shitting up the thread constantly. It's not my fault they can't take criticism against their favorite game.
What's your excuse for not ignoring the bait and playing the game?

>>149164614
>>149165394

To put it bluntly.

The Vault Dweller is canonically male. Fuck, even the ending sequence is of a man.

Yet you can choose a woman or a man. Why? Because you have the freedom to do as you please. It won't change the canon.

You don't see FO1 enforcing a male character on me. But what you are saying is that Bethesda enforced Moira surviving the bombs "just to keep with the canon", which doesn't make sense, since I can kill her and be done with it.

>>149165654
>Because I see NVfags shitting up the thread constantly
Nah mate, this a fallout GENERAL, not Fo4 tripfag orbiting waifufagging muh obshills xdddd center

Take it or leave it

>>149165532
At least in skyrim you can be a bunch of different races, and you don't have to have a kid and a fucking spouse and be eary middle aged.

There is literally one choice for the background of your character in fallout 4. Is he a male ex-soldier with a kid, or a female lawyer with a kid? Choose wisely.

>>149165769
There you go again, shitposting in the general because somebody said something about a game you like.

>>149165573
>>149165794
Yeah I see


>>149165841
You didn't even say anything about the game you wank, you're mourning cancer

>>149165654
>nvfags shitting up the thread constantly
That is literally the opposite of truth.

>be me playing fallout 4
>find the game to be really disappointing and shit
>post my opinion in the thread
>'HURR DURR OBSIDIANBABY! GO BACK TO NV!'

Sorry, mate, but Bethesda fans are extremely retarded and put New Vegas in EVERYTHING and then start talking shit about NV because MUH COMPANY WARZ!

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>>149165371

True dat. Pic related.

>>149165904
I don't see you playing the game, I just see you shitposting whenever someone mentions it.

>>149165971
Well, were you comparing it to NV like you expected a carbon copy or what?

>>149166116
>I don't see you playing the game,
What am I supposed to play the game 24/7 ????

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New Vegas is a better game then fallout 4

>>149166116
Nope, I didn't even mention NV, people who were defending Fallout 4 mentioned NV and then simply started bashing on NV for some fucking reason when I was talking about Fallout 4.

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>>149165658

>Fuck, even the ending sequence is of a man.

Disregard this false information. I just searched and it appears there are two variants of the ending.

Doesn't stop Fallout 1 from having a canonically male character, though.

>>149166071

>>149165794
>>>149165532
>At least in skyrim you can be a bunch of different races, and you don't have to have a kid and a fucking spouse and be eary middle aged.

No, you had to be a prisoner who had special powers to become the Hero who saves the world in every game.
Not a preset character in any way, ever.

>>149166250
Well you could start by spending more time playing it than shitposting, since you obviously have nothing better to do.

>>149166261
I dunno then anon, any time I've tried to discuss FO4's merits I just get overflowed in a shitstorm of "BUT IT'S NOT LIKE MUH NV LOL MINECRAFT KIDDO TODDMEME".
Maybe it goes both ways?

>>149165971
amend that to "post my opinion 3 times minimum every thread"

>>149166436
Anyone can be imprisoned
Anyone can be the dragoncorn

>>149166478
What merits are you even talking about?
All the complaints about Fallout 4 are legit, since they were a huge step down from New Vegas.
You may not like it and even get offended by it, but Fallout 4 was a huge step down from New Vegas in many ways.

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>>149164473
good thing they dead

caesar's legion worked because caesar was stupidly smart but legate lanius or w/e and everyone after would've just devolved it into a group of raiders

>>149166478
>spending more time playing it than shitposting
I actually do, I rarely come to /fog/ because it's most of the time bethbies suckling on the feet of tripfags and completely ignoring any NV/1/2 related post unless it's claims NV/1/2 are better than shootyshootycrafty, then they drown it in "MUH B8" "OBSHILL PLOX"

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>>149166580
>dragoncorn
Funnier than it has any right to be.

>>149166683
>right back to the NV comparison
I'm sorry that a game developed by a different company is not a carbon copy of this game developed by the other company.
Merits? How about the ability to die without being a complete retard?
How about how viable almost any combat build you want is?
How about how much fun PA is as opposed to the glorified outfits locked behind perks in the previous two titles?
How about the fact that you can pick up a rifle and have it last you well into the endgame simply off the vanilla modding system?
How about the fact that you don't have to wait 12 months for a lore friendly housing mod to store your shit?
What about the atmosphere you're in which the Wasteland actually feels uncivilized without large cities poking their roofs over every other block?
What about the smaller scale conflict rather than a grand nation against nation scheme they put you in back in NV?


>>149166719
>muh bethbabies
right back at you anon, cya.

>>149166580
>Anyone can be imprisoned
>Anyone can be the dragoncorn

Daggerfall was a shipwrecked character, the rest of the series had the MC a prisoner every time.
"You were born under an unusual star configuration".

Anyone random prisoner can be the N'wa, Dragonborn, or NEET.

>>149167057
>filthy N'wa

>>149166436

>No, you had to be a prisoner

You were someone caught crossing the border, which is not the same.

>who had special powers

Literally a prophecy.

Face it, Skyrim was a shit game, but made a much better job at letting you craft your own background.

>>149167031
Except Obshills defend the superior game and aren't toddlers blinded by le big tank PA and repetitive guns

>>149167256
>weak bait
Actually refute the points lad.

>>149167031
>How about how viable almost any combat build you want is
In contrary to
>PA
It's supposed to be a suit you dickshit
PA training was a mistake made by bethesda because they can't level properly and introduced lootable paladins right in the first hour of the game
>How about the fact that you can pick up a rifle and have it last you well into the endgame simply off the vanilla modding system?
That's because the weapons pool in Fo4 is smaller than Fo3's, that's quite the feat
>How about the fact that you don't have to wait 12 months for a lore friendly housing mod to store your shit?
Literally ever main town in the U route there's a player house
>What about the atmosphere you're in which the Wasteland actually feels uncivilized without large cities poking their roofs over every other block?
The bombs fell 210 years ago jumbo, not 20 minutes ago
>What about the smaller scale conflict rather than a grand nation against nation scheme they put you in back in NV?
How is that any good ? That's just neutral shit and if anything makes you feel less powerful and influential

>>149167242
>>No, you had to be a prisoner
>You were someone caught crossing the border, which is not the same.

Being caught, arrested, loaded on a cart with other prisoners does not make you a prisoner?

You must become a blacksmith to craft good armor and weapons, you must learn enchanting to soul capture, you must learn alchemy to craft potions and you could waste the rest of your skill points trying to become a bad Wizard.

The game puts you on rails worse than FO4 ever did.

>>149167762
>Powered armor isn't supposed to be power armor xD

>weapons pool is smaller
That doesn't refute the point
>railroading players to one of a few specific, uncustomizable spots in the middle of a specific town you're forced to be resident of
Love it.
>bombs fell
So every area has to be fully rebuilt by now? Nice.
>feel less powerful and influential
That doesn't refute the point, it's not my fault you have a power fetish.

>>149167762
>weapon pool is smaller
Thanks to the weapon mod system, it ain't.

>>149168365
don't use logic, it'll break their little brains and they'll have to cry about muh retextured uniques.

>>149168004

>Being caught, arrested, loaded on a cart with other prisoners does not make you a prisoner?

What I mean is that you weren't arrested for, say, raping someone, or stealing someone, or something that would give us, the player, a good idea of a background.

You were a poor sod in the wrong place at the wrong time, nothing more.

Whereas

>have a wife
>have a kid
>have a military background
>wife has a lawyer background

Is a pretty set background.

>>149168093
>Powered armor isn't supposed to be power armor xD
Except that power armor can run on a single microfusion cell for 300 years
>railroading players to one of a few specific, uncustomizable spots in the middle of a specific town you're forced to be resident of
That still proves you wrong, you do have player homes
>So every area should be rebuilt by now
210 years is a long, long time
Enough for a bunch of brahmin farmers to build a democracy spanning from north california for the Baja peninsula
>That doesn't refute the point, it's not my fault you have a power fetish.
That's you just being a damage controling fuck

>>149168365
>A variation of a gun is now considered a whole new gun

Ebin logic

>>149168741
>for 300 years
Citation needed, FO1 said 100, and specified a Microfusion PACK, not a CELL.

>this proves you wrong
And you know what proves me right? How many people use Home Plate in FO4 when they can build their own base somewhere else?
>210 years isa long time
And I guess everything has to mirror everything else because it happened there so it has to be able to happen here? Like, what's your angle here?
>b-buh muh playstyle!
not an argument, cuck.

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Wow, that's a big waifu!

>>149168921
So why do people count uniques as seperate guns?

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>>149168365
>Thanks to the weapon mod system, it ain't.
but it is
>laser and plasma pistols can be turned into rifle variations of them respectively
>10mm pistol to 10mm smg
>hunting and sniper rifles are now the same gun
>no chinese pistol
>no chinese assault rifle
>no g3 assault rifle instead we get a machine gun in its place
>melee weapons are relatively limited
>unarmed weapons even more so with only the meathook,deathclaw gauntlet and power fist as well as any variation of knuckles

more mods does not equal more weapons, just more modifications to those weapons

if the DKS and WM Chinese assault rifle mods are anything to go by they could have had more than 5 guns total in the game but they said fuck it we'll merge most of them into the same gun and leave what was previously a variant in the same class,such as with the hunting and sniper rifles, is now an upgrade to the hunting rifle

>>149169294
>A pipe rifle that shoots a 308 caliber bullet and a pipe rifle that shoots a 38 caliber bullet are the same thing
Wow.

>>149168940
>FO1 said 100, and specified a Microfusion PACK, not a CELL.
And that proves you wrong
>And I guess everything has to mirror everything else because it happened there so it has to be able to happen here? Like, what's your angle here?
So west coasters have enough brain cells to actually farm, use dams and build towns but west coasters don't ? How do they survive ffs
Why is not boston scrapped clean ? Why is still full of loot ???
>b-buh muh playstyle!

>Muh I don't want power
You're the real cuck here boi, and it's not just a question of power, it's also a matter of influence
You feel lost between each side in FNV, as each have their reasons
Now that's real atmosphere

>>149169074
Because unique weapons are unique.
You can't get them in any other way and you can't craft them.

Is Lucky a different weapon than .357 revolver? Yep.
Is the 10mm Pistol with a silencer a different weapon than a 10mm pistol? No.
Is Laser Rifle a different weapon than Laser Rifle with stock mod? No, it is the same weapon.

>>149168993
Are you going to post nudes of her?

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>>149168940
>And I guess everything has to mirror everything else because it happened there so it has to be able to happen here? Like, what's your angle here?

AHAHAHAHAHA
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THIS

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>>149169424
daily reminder that Microfusion Packs link over to Power Armor frames as they are now the same thing.
Daily reminder to stay up-to-date on lore before you argue about it.

>low tier bait
you've been unable to prove any of the merits you asked for wrong. I'm sorry.

>>149169484
>a variation of a gun is now considered a whole new gun
ebin.

>>149169574
I would if there were some fun poses out there!

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>>149168993
my waifu > your waifu

>>149169601
I believe that FO1/2 were really inaccurate in their representation of a post-apocalyptic setting, and the state of Arroyo reflects the attempt to add more realism to it.
Though honestly I don't see a big unifying faction coming out on the EC any time soon et al NCR. Sorry

>>149169818
>that forehead
pretty good though, senpai

>>149153263
DIMA wants the Synths he's saved to have a hate free environment where they're left in peace but can't get it. Fishermen hate both Synths for same reason as Commonwealth and hate CoA because they tried taking over. CoA want to kill Fishermen and Synths as Far Harbour is their Jerusalem basically

>>149169818
Anon you should pick up some of the modded freckles. The vanilla ones look like skin cancer.

>>149169720
Can't wait.

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>>149169607
I'm talking old lore here, not beshitsda rape

>you've been unable to prove any of the merits you asked for wrong. I'm sorry.

I did, my arguments are perfectly correct and your being in denial here
>>149169862
I believe that FO1/2 were really inaccurate in their representation of a post-apocalyptic setting
Elaborate

>big unifying faction coming out on the EC
Elaborate on the reasons

>>149169934
That's what freckles are.

>>149167031
>How about how viable almost any combat build you want is?
This isn't really a merit when the previous game also had that and in a better way.
You can't play unarmed for shit with Fallout 4 because it only has 3 unarmed weapons.
Grenade launcher? Nope.
Shotgun? Only if you enjoy choosing between TWO SHOTGUNS!

>How about how much fun PA is as opposed to the glorified outfits locked behind perks in the previous two titles?
I agree, PA is actually pretty good in Fallout 4, that is a merit. What is not a merit is how it is presented in the game, being literally everywhere, owned by everyone, with fuel everywhere and fuel even being a thing.

>How about the fact that you can pick up a rifle and have it last you well into the endgame simply off the vanilla modding system?
That's not because of the vanilla modding system, it's because of levelling.

>How about the fact that you don't have to wait 12 months for a lore friendly housing mod to store your shit?
Minecraft shit, not a merit.
Plus, in New Vegas you had SAFEHOUSES that you had to EARN, not just "LOL LET ME CREATE A WHOLE CITY TO STORE MY CITY" and then have the city to be lifeless because the settlement creation is as shallow as RTS mod from 3 and NV?

>What about the atmosphere you're in which the Wasteland actually feels uncivilized without large cities poking their roofs over every other block?
Except civilisation is an important part of what Fallout is about.

>What about the smaller scale conflict rather than a grand nation against nation scheme they put you in back in NV?
What about it? It was extremely bland, poorly written and the factions were not memorable.

>>149170062
WAAAAAAH WHY ARE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT A GAME IN THE FRANCHISE WAAAAAH

>>149170062
>Fallout general

>>149170069
>moving the goalposts
top kek.
>my arguments are perfect
So you managed to disprove two of my points, and your original claim that FO4 has no merits is groundless as you were unable to disprove the rest. Cool.

>elaborate
You said old lore, so there is nothing to elaborate on, as the EC isn't touched in old lore.

>>149169484
Unique weapons are only unique in that they they sometimes have new textures and different stats. Hardly much different from the mod system of Fo4 and Fo4 lets you make more variations and has the legendary affix system.

>>149170069
Please end your fucking life i want to murder you. I just want to enjoy fallout 4 discuasion without this daily fucking torment from you fucks. Please either kill yourselves or go to another thread. You're ruining peoples interest in the game and modding it to make it better. Fuck you you cancerous piece of ass. Youve done nothing but bitch and whine for 4 hours about how the game is not as good as new vegas. WHO FUCKING CARES, MAYBE I WANT TO DISCUSS THE GAMR IN PEACE

>>149170282
New Vegas > FO4

>>149169862
>faction coming out on the EC any time soon et al NCR. Sorry
I think the Minutemen have potential to be that faction. The only previous attempts at uniting the Commonwealth (the CPG and the original Minutemen) failed due to infighting and a big fuck-off mirelurk respectively, and on top of that the Institute has been spreading distrust and paranoia the whole time which I think led people to form smaller insular groups instead of larger, expanding ones. If we assume it's canon that the SS leads the Minutemen and destroyed the Institute, they could easily grow to the point of evolving into a government.

>>149170069


which was Lore raped by avelonnne already in memeout 2 and NV, even Sawyer and Tim cain HATED IT

can we please report these fucking NMA kids

>>149170259
>So you managed to disprove two of my points
GOOD, you said I didn't disaprove any of your points

Everything else discarded

>>149170259
Fuck off goalposts cunt. Hang yourself.

>>149170282
>Fallout general

>>149170387
>NMA kids
I wonder what is the target audience of Fo4

>>149170274
No, they are unique because they are unique.

Kellogg's pistol is not an unique weapon, for example. It is just a modded revolver that you can do it yourself.
If in New Vegas you could make the Lucky, then I wouldn't consider it unique at all, it would just be a modded .357 revolver.

And the legendary system is extremely fucking dumb that belongs to a MMO game.