/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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>still no EVA roguelike

2nd for I only play DCSS because of neat interface and mouse interaction.

>>149086870
cuck

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what the fucking fuck
they're drinking my potions even though they aren't even injured

>>149087130
Dankest Heck Beast
this is a Christian thread

>>149087245
These kobolds are bold.

>>149087473
>this is a Christian thread
Keep loli and shota out, please.

>>149087245
Yeah, the kobolds will go out of there way to prevent you from being able to use the items which generate in the game.

>>149087130
>a lategame pcb monster that only does 10℅ of your hp
sounds easy desu

>>149087995
I was thinking more late 30's, so as to be a challenge and remind players to not get cocky, like the original GHB does

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So I've been splatting IVAN characters.The one who got farthest got destroyed by an oak golem. I figure I got a little too happy grabbing loot so that must have fucked my danger level. I still managed to destroy some of its limbs with a wand of striking

It's honestly really fun even at the little I've been able to play. Was IVAN ever popular in the generañ or is it a more niche game?

>>149088805
It was FOTM during the winter, there were a few anons splatting and breaking it

>>149088805
hasn't the total number of ivan ascensions ever just barely hit the triple digits

>>149088805
>slip and fall down
>arm is severed
are you walking through a field of oversized razorblades or something

How do i teleport my character into a specific level (like inside a ziggurat) in wizmode?

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>>149089049
you're goddamn right
and not for lack of trying for sure
actually it's because nobody really plays IVAN anymore
I mean you really should see the forums they're so dead it's kinda sad

>>149089049
The total number of people who have played IVAN is probably also in the triple digits.

So should I watch 1.11 or just 2.22

>>149087245
Get fucked

>>149092567
0.28.181.40d

>>149087245
A lot of layouts in that game are flat out unwinnable

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21st for being killed by Mara's player clone.

>>149093264
oh boy dolphin porn
>>149093590
the trick is to wield a -2 dagger during the fight and ditch it for your current weapon when she makes the clone of you.

>>149093745
>she
also you can't wield weapons on a mumo

>>149093854
>Any MuMo
>reaching Mara

>Reaching Mara without anyone in the thread knowing about it

also what kind of dude calls himself mara
it must be a girl

>>149093590
>follow chei
>mara clones me
>my clone has all my stats and shit but doesn't move slowly

this is bullshit

>>149092567
neither
the reboots are shit

>>149093590
I've always found it weird how the second face looks so flat.

>No roguelike based on capeshit

Someone should make draconians of Chei and splat them en masse to leave ghosts with Cheistats and Bolt of Draining breath

>>149095663
Capeshit is the anti-RL. Now a Judge Dredd RL on the other hand.

>>149095663
>no witcher roguelike

>>149095663
>liking cape shit

>>149094751
the animation quality is really good

>>149093745
>dolphin porn
What? .40d is the last good version of Dwarf Fortress

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Going to the abyss for my third rune because vaults is suicide for someone like me. wish me luck

>>149097651
>chei
>presumably statue form castable
Nigga go slime.

>>149097826
Too late!!

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Any fitting sprite for a Vine stalker who sucks magic out of every living being?
The base tile is garbage and i can't find any monster resembling either a magic-sucker or a vine-construct, bog bodies look like slime mummies.

>>149097651
>Carrying around all that food
>Enchant weapon as a transmuter
>Amulet of the gourmand as a fucking switch
>Flight potions as a squid
>!lignification without scrolls of torment to abuse
>WHEN THERE'S ONE RIGHT IN THAT PIC
>Phantom mirrors instead of BoBs
Even with chei stats you don't have enough int, go do-
>>149098210
WHAT PART OF "TAKING IT SLOW" DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND

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excuse me

>I mustn't evoke my feet
>I mustn't evoke my feet
>I mustn't evoke my feet

Best ziggurat farmer race in trunk aside from Demonspawn?

Oops I died in the abyss. Didn't even get a pic it happened so quickly. Bunch of starcursed masses paralyzed me.

Darn, oh well.

>>149098478
I just pick up all the crap I can, I don't think I'd ever actually quaff lignification

>>149098806
go play elona.

>>149098806
mummy

>>149099292
>Not really.

>>149098806
Probably naga for high hp and full slots.

>>149098936
Already did
>>149098959
Permanent lich form is great, but isn't the lack of possible good mutations quite a big deal?

>>149099369
I was torn between Ogre (for max HP and regen mutations aviable) Naga (for HP and all slots) and Deep Dwarf of Pakellas (Damage shaving and HP and all slots, but maybe there's not enough mana for ziggs)
Naga of Chei i guess? Also, could a "Slouch-spam" build (hat of pondering + ponderous plate + Statue form + amulet of faith for piety gains) work or does Slouch deal too little damage to justify the piety usage?

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>>149099292

>>149098873
>Tabbing in the abyss
>Tabbing as an octopode
>Tabbing as a cheidude
>Dying to one of the most slouch-vulnerable mobs
What really baffles me is how the fuck did you get so far with an OpTm in the first place

>>149099684
I wasn't tabbing, I cast Blade hands and a bunch of Shadow Creatures and ran out of MP. I was on Abyss:4 and ran into a lot of guys. I probably should have just done like 4 Slouches.

>>149099818
>I was on Abyss:4
for what purpose

>>149099684
Oh and I was an OpMo.

>>149099926
Looking for the rune

>>149099292
>it don't matter
>none of this matters

>>149099347
RIP

Did they ever find spicerack's body in the tabascan wilderness?

>>149100263
He still posts here regularly.

>>149100263
he's still here you fool

>>149100496
>>149100529
where

>>149100496
>>149100529
>disappears into the tabascan wilderness for months
>suddenly comes back like nothing ever happened
You blind bozos. Don't you see?

>>149100809
No circlejerking; just lurk more.

>>149100928
The pleasure of being cumin inside.

Be honest lads, if I play IVAN will I get btfo going in blind? Is it still being updated at all?

>>149102439
Yes. It hasn't been updated in like a decade. It's widely considered to be one of the hardest roguelikes.

>>149102561
Even harder than real life?

>>149103013
you ever fight a hedgehog in real life

>>149103474
never really had the need to

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>>149102439
>Is it still being updated at all?
It's been constantly updated for the past two years.
The last released is dated around a month ago, you silly goose.
https://github.com/Attnam/ivan/releases

>>149102561
You're thinking of Omega.

>>149103910
Isn't this an unofficial version though

>>149104006
No, you're thinking of CLIVAN/LIVAN/IVANT/3D IVAN.

IVAN 5.5 is the latest official version. They moved to github around a year and a half ago.

Really, it's all in the forums.

Evangelion is a reaction image goldmine

>>149102439
If you believe in the germ theory of disease then you can easily pass the first dungeon. The second dungeon is a set of easy puzzles. The ultimate endings are pretty hard to do, but you should be able to get the Elpuri ending on your 20th try.

page 10 bump

slow day for /rlg/

>>149109248
Slow day in general. I just fell asleep on my porch for a bit

>>149109248
Sorry m8, today's splats aren't interesting enough to post

>>149111585
>general runs on blogposts
That's when you know it's time to pull the plug.

>>149109248
>>149110913
>day
I wish eurasia would just sink into the ocean along with all its eurasians

>>149112201
It's not even 7 PM here, it's still light out. I live in america btw

>>149112257
>flyover country
you are barely people

>>149112426
I live on the west coast.

>>149112469
You're not people then.

>>149111897
>complaining about posting about roguelikes in the roguelike thread
That's when you know it's time to crawl up into a hole and wait for a cold lonely death, my man.

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Playing Sorcerers are weird. You use like a dozen spellbooks, and you'd think that'd cut down your inventory space, but really the utility spells you get from it free some up from devices/potions.

Furthermore, you can drop even more slots once you start to get redundancies with spellbooks and you can use one or two utility books to do the job that 4+ books used to fill.

You are legitimately helpless once your MP runs out though, and given that your only method of killing things amounts to "be literally the blastiest mage ever", that happens often. That you can do nothing melee but run away makes it even worse.

Hope I can scum 555 soon. I'd hunt in the mountains, but the LoS blockers work against me there. Also I can't wear anything without getting a penalty to MP, which leaves me vulnerable to everything. I really, really hope I get one of those made-for-sorcerers items, like the Robe of Twilight.

>>149113339
>still blogposting
Whatever you say.

>>149113921
Why are you even here?

>>149114169
For actual discussion about the games you retard.

>>149114169
esoteric memes

>>149113420
just use devices when you run out of mana
devices recharge over time my man

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>>149114579
>tfw you get three (3) ringmails of just getting along delivered by papa kiku

>tfw no pcb races that have nonstandart slots and can still choose a class

>>149116986
Draconian, pick metamorphosis at level 35. It's kind of not that good though, and some classes can't pick it (riding ones and the ones that depend on weapons like weaponmasters mostly)

ded thred

>>149100148

Anon, I hope it's just me but I think you're dumb.

>>149120113
This is a NO BULLY ZONE

No bullying allowed below this line
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>>149120281
kill you're self

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>>149120281

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>>149120540

Crusader
Skald
???????

What's a better name for a warrior-mage who buffs himself in order to get better at fighting?

>>149121974
Paladin.

>>149121995
paladins aren't mages retard

>>149122218
Make it like PCB you idiot, add healing too.

>>149121974
Cleric

>>149122490
>>149121995
Those both imply a religious rather than a magical source of power.

>>149121974
what's wrong with skald

crusader is fucked though it's closer to paladin than "buff warrior"

>>149122693
Add some sort of mystical life magic force and Paladins/Clerics are the ones that channel it.

>>149121974
spellblade
enchanter
zealot

>>149121974
could go fancy and call them sword singers.

basically just a skald though.

im trying to think of other historical names for warriors who were also scholars/wise men but im coming up short

shaman?

>>149121974
Wizard.

>>149122870
Skald is an uncommonly-known word, which turns out to conventionally mean bard. In RPGs bards are often buffers, but are rarely warriors. Historically, of course, they're just musicians.

>>149122693
So does Crusader.

War Mage is a classic
Spellblade
Magiknight
Rune Knight
Aether Blade
Muscle Wizard
Saiyan
Arcane Edge
Enchanter
Lord
[synonym for magic] [synonym for melee weapon/combatant]

I had a dream that I beat Omega.

>>149123336
I had a dream that dreams were memes

>>149123293
well they might be shittier than the fighter but they're a helluva lot better at hitting things than the wizard is

(just like in dcss)

am I just stupid or is adom pretty complicated

I feel like I should stop reading about it just keep playing it, this shit is confusing the hell out of me

>>149123645
read about it at the same time as playing it, jesus

>>149123336
I read the source code for the ending of Omega, and it felt satisfying enough that I stopped playing the actual game.

>>149123619
Is a poet necessarily better at fighting than a wizard?

>>149123952
well a d&d bard is better at fighting than a wizard

and a non-dnd bard just sings songs and makes poetry, not magic spells

>>149123619
Wizards are not that much worse at hitting dudes than a skald is in DCSS.
Their major disadvantage is a lack of instrument with which to hit dudes.

>>149123645
there's a lot of spoilery stuff a la nethack, but it's stuff that you can pick up as you go along

just try to have fun and treat it like a CRPG with permadeath instead of a roguelike

best god for OpTm?

>>149124216
Cheibriados

>>149124216
>best god?
xom, for any character

>>149124395
Really? No Sif?
I figure it's not exactly easy to find high level tmut spells

>>149124842
Sif is a dreadful choice if you are transmuting.

>>149124881
Well, I'm basically fucked if I don't run into statue form then, right?

>>149125060
Most spells show up by the endgame.

Statue form is in several books.

>>149125060
no because you can still cast your other spells and hit things with your high UC skill

worshipping sif gives you nothing except statue and dragon form. you are a melee character, pick a melee character god

>>149124842
No, you're a melee first and caster second. A squishy melee at that. UC benefits most from stats so chei is good, makhleb gives you effective hp and some other utility, oka is always useful.

What's the point of magic in PCB? After playing it for a while I came to the conclusion that it's just awful. Why the fuck would I want to spam manastorm/shards (which is no fun at all anyway) that can only do a max of 500 damage at 50 when I could just equip a Glaive of Pain on a Warrior and consistently dish out 530+ a round in the 40s? Melee also gets to kill the golem uniques who a near-immune to magic. I've also noticed that a lot of the classes in this game are shit like Bards who as their final spell gets an invulnerability shield but when it breaks they lose a handful of turns. Who wants to lose turns to something like Serpent? Other bad classes to name a couple are Rage-Mages who we had a discussion about a while ago and Imitators who look like they had no second thought put into them. Their gimmick is that they "imitate" whatever ability that a monster used against them which sounds sort of cool except that most abilites that monsters have coincide with their element. Let's say something like Ungoliant uses darkness storm, would you really want to use an element that a monster resists heavily against it? The best that you can do with that class is get a unique summon mimic off and you'd probably just have to dismiss them a few turns later since you'd have trouble handling all of the uniques. Really bad effort by Chris right there and it ruined a ton of potential fun.

>>149125895
because you get to cast those manastorms from far away instead of melee range

not only does this mean you don't have to deal with shit like "it can hit to reduce all stats, hit to drain charges, and hit to disenchant" but it also makes it easier to kill shit that has summons etc because you don't have to be in the middle of the fight to do damage

>>149125654
>>149125174
>>149125168
Thanks a bunch. So is UC priority after getting all my tmuts online or is dodging? I feel like I've got pretty shit survivability right now

>>149126360
>after getting all my tmuts online
nigga UC is ALL of your damage, you don't wait to train it until all the tmuts are castable

tmuts are buffs to UC, not the other way around

some people advocate rushing spiderform asap because it's strong as fuck but even if you do that you should train UC ASAP after getting it

>>149126223
Being ranged is not that big of an advantage in PCB as it is in many other games, since most very dangerous monsters are as threatening at range as they are in melee.

An archer can do >1000 damage/turn at level 50 AND they get to split up their turns into 5 actions, effectively eliminating enemy double moves.
Casters don't even get this ability.
The biggest benefit of offensive spells is AoE, but unfortunately AoE is largely worthless in PCB since you always want to fight foes one on one if possible.

>>149125895
I sort of agree because mages are miserable in the midgame because of the way they gain power (almost entirely from levels and finding a couple specific items, unlike melee which is pretty much all gear based aside from hp) along with awful hp, but you underestimate them late game.

You entirely avoid melee damage and auras, can cast over summons, and never miss, unlike melee. Really the only downside at level 50 is that your hp is total garbage.

pcb magic would be great if dispel didn't exist

>>149126223
The radius for manastorm specifically is 4 tiles or something like that, at least from the staves. I'm not sure if you get to fire it like a ball when you get it as a spell. I guess the shard breath range is pretty long though.
>not only does this mean you don't have to deal with shit like "it can hit to reduce all stats, hit to drain charges, and hit to disenchant"
Honestly it's pretty easy to find something like the Ring of Ages that sustains all of them, the charge thing can be alleviated by just taking Demonic Grasp and the disenchantment one isn't too hard to deal with since Razorback gives you a guaranteed resist along with electric immunity that casters can't wear.
>easier to kill shit that has summons etc because you don't have to be in the middle of the fight to do damage
I think it's better to just use that good device skill that casters have to get a mass genocide off especially since the later summons are summoners summoning summoners.

>>149126617
>your hp is total garbage
just play bloodmage :^)

actually don't though they get half healing from all sources, which sounds miserable

if it wasn't for that it might be neat to try a bloodmage of craft

>>149126745
>that casters can't wear
i don't see antimagic there

is it just the weight?

>>149126865
It's the weight, it disrupts spellcasting or whatever bullshit excuse. Some casters can't even wear gloves because of the same reason.

>>149126745
>I'm not sure if you get to fire it like a ball when you get it as a spell.
You do, I think.

It's more than just avoiding on-hit effects, the serpent hits for like 15d15 x3 or something ridiculous plus earthquakes. Not getting whacked with that every turn it doesn't cast is a big benefit to how much healing you need.

>>149126912
that just reduces max sp, it doesn't stop you from casting
it's reduced more the farther you go over the weight limit, so it may or may not be a big deal

and the glove penalty doesn't apply if the gloves give free action or +dex

>>149127038
but on the other hand having shitty caster hp means there are more times in the earlier parts of the game where your hp is under the threshold for "it breathes you die" so you have to blow your 0% fail potions instead of using staves

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>>149127038
>casters are okay since they don't have to grind their eyes out for *healing*
10/10 design

>>149127179
just play a blood-mage :^)
then you get to cast spells AND grind for *healing*

>>149127038
I think you're missing the point a little. Being ranged doesn't save you from being pelted by shit like J breath, Hand of Doom, or whatever bullshit that it has. Like said here >>149127179 you shouldn't be playing a caster over melee because you don't have to grind *healing* and life. Not only are the casters designed like shit but the game itself has a major problem if you really need to take grinding into account on how much fun you'll be having. Sounds like PCB is a chore and I have no idea how anyone can put up with that stuff.

>>149127717
no but being ranged means you're *only* taking damage from J breath, instead of taking damage from J breath PLUS J melee PLUS J auras

and pcb ai is stupid. enemies breathe/cast spells from range just as often as in melee range, they just spend the turns in between walking forwards instead of hitting you for 15d15 to reduce all stats

>>149127868
Don't they get mad at you if you hurt them from range and they do that sort of stuff more often?

>>149127967
yes, but not if you pick the demigod mut that stops it

>>149128072
So everyone is shoehorned into human/demigod?

>>149127967
Do they actually cast more often or just use better spells? Does that include breaths? Take resists into account? It is all a mystery.

>>149128163
not really, you can win without the OP demigod muts

i keep picking demigod because "the perks are so good!" and then giving up before 50 because 2much grind

>>149128260
>mystery
>open source game

each point of "anger" increases spell frequency by 10 percentage points, and all anger is reset each time it successfully casts a spell

it also reduces their chances of healing or running away but increases their chances of casting summon or attack spells

it also means that they will never cast blink or invulnerability, if i'm reading this right

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help

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alright so i got 2 runes and cleared V:1-4, haven't gotten farther than depths before. what spells should i learn that don't require too much stat investment? all i have at the moment is blink and RMsl. should i just keep training armor/fighting from this point?

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>>149129065

>>149129468
Yeah just keep training armour/dodging/fighting, assuming invo is at least 8 and eveningstar is at mindelay.

>>149129583
how much of that was afk though

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For some reason it never moved until now, even after I teleported it twice. Anyway, glad that it's dead and gone.

>>149131295
enemies randomly choose one of several AIs to use when they spawn

one of them is the "statue" AI, which never moves

>>149131295
How the fuck did you kill a statue phoenix with <300 HP.
Unless by "Never Moved" you are including attacking.

>>149131425
What is typically the shittiest AI to fight?

>>149131812
either he's immune to fire or it never breathed

>>149132635
>tfw no GE
The glyph highlighting of names in the UI is good btw.

>>149131821
Statue.
Some monsters with keep-away are unfightable for some characters though (melee against a monster who is faster than you and using keep away can be completely undoable).

>>149121974
Hedge knight.

Skalds are more like mages in original lore.

>>149126360
So the real answer is that it depends on how strong your character gets from drops. The quick and dirty answer is "Get spider form reliably castable, get UC to 11, get a few levels of stealth at some point, get blade hands, get dodging."

More tips:

One point of poison magic is peanuts and it adds as much to spider form as getting transmutations from 5-6.

As an octopode, ice form might actually be better for you than blade hands in a lot of situations. It's relatively shit past the early game for most Tm because it kills your defenses and your gear, but on an Op, it buffs your AC by about 7, only reduces your EV by ~3, and increases your HP by 25%. And it shits out almost as much damage as blade hands unless they resist cold, on top of giving you useful resists.

Don't follow chei too early. Until you get slouch you will have to punch everything you see to death, or blow a consumable to get away. If you're still at a point where you can't punch things to death comfortably, it's probably too early. Getting him after you get ice form is probably pretty safe, but it's a judgment call based on what your consumables look like and how strong your character is at that point. Chei piety does come very quickly, but those first few pips are pretty rough.

Make use of that chei int. Learn freezing cloud.

Oh, and use sticks to snakes more. It's... it's really strong. And it keeps being strong.

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>>149131295
>level 33
>only 218 hp with that con level
>trying to win

>>149132775
Thanks, yesterday I only worked on UI. Today I am probably going to finish reimplementing items.

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Oh baby.
>>149132034
I had double light and triple or quad fire. I was playing peekaboo with a door when it fucked me up with a nasty breath.

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first time I've played Yred in years, also my first 15 rune win. I don't recommend anyone else plays Yred melee only in extended game because it wasn't very fun but profane servitors are ridiculous

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>A Megaphone-Yamabiko comes into view.
>It shouts!

>>149134931
Program a youkaiband or fuck off.

What does aggravation do in PCB?

>>149135386
Aggravates monsters.

>>149135386
everything in range wakes up and gets pissed at you

so no stealth and no friendly monsters

>>149135504
So is Doomcaller shit then?

>>149135578
aggravation isn't really that bad as long as you're not relying on stealth and you have a good source of detection so you still see shit before it breathes on you

>>149087245

What game?

>>149137884
>image titled "smart kobold 042"
hmm do you think it's smart kobolds?
nah that would be too easy. it's probably sil or something

man you guys were right, hikari IS worstgirl.

>>149137884
Vanilla Bagel

>>149138278
™

I want to try a no-spells ziggurat, whic weapon would be best?
>Two-handed Long blade + gloves of riposte
>Two-handed Axe
>Long blade + shield + gloves of riposte
>Axe + shield

>>149140030
>duel-wield shields of ponderousness
>go Chei for that sweet slouch
Alternatively
>executioner's axe + fencer's gloves
>go Qazlal for that sweet disaster area

>>149140030
That's almost impossible.

Even with the best gear and TSO, including Cloak of the Thief for fog spam, my Minotaur with executioner axe were dead when I met multiple tormentors, hellfire spammers, tier 1 demons, mummies and panlords.

To complete it without Level 9 spell, either you're lucky enough to never meet those faggots, or you have shitload of blinking scrolls.

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This vault is quite neat, props to devs.
The price of the labirynth is the STAFF OF OGLEB, is it worth training staves to use it? I have already high evo for Pakellas, it could make both a nice weapon AND give me nice ranged spell options. Also, does the staff also poison poison-immune enemies sometimes like undeads? Or are immunes still immune?

>>149140281
>dual wield shields of ponderousness
Is it even possible? It'd be very neat if that was the case
>>149140538
I see, maybe only Lichform could be allowed to avoid being raped by torment, Hellfire is more a matter of max HP than anything else really, and as you said cloak of the thief reduces LOS already.

>>149140538
>That's almost impossible.
Stop spreading poor information.

Spellless Zigs have been completed (without disc of storms spam) in versions where both Cloak of the Thief and cleaving didn't exist. If anything, it's easier in recent versions.

I'll try to pull some example morgues/ttyrecs from the bots for you guys to look at. It's been a while though, so hopefully I can figure out what search parameters to use for this because I have no idea offhand which of my morgues to reference.

>>149098501
what game?

Can every piece of armour in theory have the ponderous ego?
I know for a fact that a plate armour had that ego, but i wonder if gloves/shoes/shields ect can as well.

>>149143509
PosChengband.

more like pozchengband
because aids

>>149143719
hue

>>149143656
Just go back to when chei required you to enchant your shit with ponderous

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>>149113420
wtf your charisma blows

>>149143153
A few example morgues here:


http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.10/Implojin/morgue-Implojin-20120705-010958.txt
http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Implojin/morgue-Implojin-20121018-172514.txt
http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Implojin/morgue-Implojin-20130725-021506.txt
In the third morgue, only the first zig was spellless.


ttyrecs can be found with the bots if you want to watch them, there's a bunch of links that are too long to paste here. Also Sequell can't find the first game's ttyrecs, and I'm not going to track down whether or not they still exist.

If my memory isn't failing me it's also been done spellless invocless instead of just spellless, but Sequell seems to be missing some games that I think were on experimental branches and tracking that down seems not worth the time.

These are just the first examples I could find, several spellless zig completions have been posted by other players in more recent versions.

>>149144850
You seem to know your shit, so i wanted to ask you: what woudl be the most optimal way to go about a melee-centric Ziggurat (i mean race, background, weapons, minimum AC/EV and god)?
Nightstalker is RNG-based, so i'd exclude it. Maybe Naga?
Also, how many ziggs would be doable spelless today?

>>149121974
Berserker.

>>149123441
I had a dream that memes were just a dream.

>>149145260
>what woudl be the most optimal way to go about a melee-centric Ziggurat
In recent versions, you'd probably want a broad axe of holy wrath solely for the cleaving, and you'd definitely want Makhleb or TSO. In old versions, a sacred scourge was often used for the very low mindelay. Reduced auts between swings means more chances per overall turn to quaff or read or reposition if you have to.

As that other anon mentioned, you'd also want a Cloak of the Thief (assuming that it still exists in current versions) for the unlimited fogspam. Oh, and you'll probably also want to make sure you have +regen from something. Boots of running, or playing Ce, would help too.

Skilling and approach would depend on how you want to go about completing them: As one example, something like spellless but allowing evocations would be trivial to do in current versions with disc of storms. Spellless but allowing invocations used to be trivialized by allowing cleansing flame, although I have no idea if the damage of cleansing flame has been nerfed. Spellless but with ranged attacks is again also pretty easy, longbow too stronk. (Triple crossbow even better now? Who knows, nucrawl is a mystery.)

Pure melee is obviously the most challenging, but if you allow things like wands of healing and haste and the various sources of fog things become manageable with decent play.

Target prioritization is important.

Background doesn't matter at all, by the time you reach the point of the game where your character is ready to enter your starting job is irrelevant.

Race, something with a high HP modifier is probably easiest. You could do something with torment immunity, but that comes with the issues of DU vulnerability and no potions, so eh.

I would stay away from Naga for trying this the first time, because slowmove will be a pretty big handicap when you're trying to reposition.

>>149145260
also:

>how many ziggs would be doable spelless today?
This I don't know. The answer is probably "more than one but less than a dozen", but I can't say how long it would take in current crawl to hit a wall. Try it and find out how quickly things ramp up relative to survival?

>>149146248
I see, thanks man, that's why i like /rlg/, there are anons who know their shit and explain it in detail too.

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well that's the second elephant gun I've found

only 28 more and I'll have enough ammo to actually use it

>>149141031
>Is it even possible
No, but since you're talking about things that are impossible, I figured I should too.

>>149144838
I figured Athena's bonus to spellcasting would be better than Aphrodite's bonus to Charisma.

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SIGH

>>149150604
I dunno. It's a 2% (I think) flat reduction to fail rate and you pay half cost for failing a spell. It would probably be more helpful if your casting stat was int, but you'd probably have to a do a wizmode comparison at 50 with maxed or close to maxed chr to really tell. At the point we're both at though I'd say me having 4 more chr is doing more than your benefits.

>>149140030
>>149140281
Why double shield of pond cuz you can get a hat and chest of ponderousness?
Does shield of ponderousness exist anyway?

>>149151237
I'm considering the long game. I will eventually max out CHA at 18/***, and so will you. But I will always have Athena's benefits, and you will never have them.

Anyone know how to create specific items/arifacts in PCB wizmode? I need a charisma booster.

>>149151403
remember though that you get +5% (or -5%, if negative) maximum mana per racial bonus to your casting stat.

>>149151403
Sorcerers do get all the trump summons, so aphrodite's reduced summon cost would also be useful. Neither artifact is particularly useful (unless randarts, in which aphrodite's is at least possibly usable). Which one ends up better, I don't know.

>>149152570
if your copy allows debug commands, use ctrl+a to activate debug, then C for create artifact, then the number of the artifact, which can be kindof a pain to track down. Some to try:
82 is Ringil, 158 is Anubis, 120 is Gandalf, 245 is Maglor, 246 is Daeron, 203 is Morlock (remember to use ?*remove curse*), 233 is Heavenly Maiden, 138 is Gil-Galad, 33 is Indra, 61 is flora. There are many more of course.

Why Flayed Ghosts are so moe? Yred is best god.

>>149152947
Thanks, was able to max my chr with Gandalf's staff and learned that its boost to spell capacity seems to increase max SP for sorcs. Interesting.

>>149151403
Final result for Athena vs. Aprhodite with maxed chr at level 50 is that you will have 2% less failrate on the spells above 0%. As >>149152573 said you also end up with less max SP barring items that increase it in addition to what you get from chr.

>>149152593
>Neither artifact is particularly useful (unless randarts, in which aphrodite's is at least possibly usable)
I would say Aprhodite's is decent, has decent resists, reflection, and telepathy. Plus sorcs can's actually use Athena's artifact at all without incurring icky wield penalties.

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I love it when randarts roll a higher score than the original item.

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It took until level 41, but I finally ate enough crowns of telepathy to add it to something slightly more useful.

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depths done, am i ready for V:$?

>>149155939
Try it and see. You might have trouble cutting through the sheer number of vault guards without any area attacks

>>149156086
i have a disc of storms (but only ~10 evos) if that helps, unfortunately with vamp weapon i can't really swap it out to any rods

>>149156156
Might not be enough. There's seriously a ton of guys down there, have you ever done vaults?

>>149156881
i slaughtered everything without dropping below 100 hp, this vamp eveningstar is seriously overpowered. used some summoning scrolls to clear them out in the beginning then just spammed oka abilities

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Which of these are good for a Sorcerer? I absolutely want Subtle Casting, but that still leaves one slot. Which is best? Trying to pick between Cult of Personality, Evasion, Infernal Deal, and Fell Sorcery.

Does anyone know the actual, mechanical benefits of each of those? Evasion seems like it'd be great, but I don't know the chances on that. Similarly, I don't know how much HP/SP you get for each kill under Infernal Deal, and Fell Sorcery might be worthless with sufficient stats.

I wish this was more transparent: 50% chance for summons to be friendly, 33% chance to dodge breaths, +(CL/5) HP/SP for every kill, +30% spellpower, and or something like that.

>>149152573
>>149152593
>>149153310
fug
seriously considering starting over

>>149157467
http://pastebin.com/hTi24Nky

I am probably going to take Astral Guide if I make it to 40 because you're basically guaranteed dimension door (it's in the second trump book).

>>149157467
>>149157862
Evasion reduces breath damage by 10-20%, since the pasta doesn't mention.

Infernal deal is +10 hp, +5 sp per kill (+15 if you don't have sp).

>>149157862
>>149158373
So Subtle Casting/Cult of Personality it is. Thanks!

How do you make arrows as an archer in PCB? I only have make [S]hots option... Do I have to be a certain level?

>>149159017
Nevermind, I just got it.

>>149146248
Is ZigSprint comparable to an actual ziggurat?
Because if so I'd HO, Mi, or Fo Fi/Gl of Qazlal will probably get pretty damn far. If not then ignore me.

>>149161164
Not really. Major difference for Qaz worshippers is that piety gain is greatly boosted in any given sprint, so it's much easier to just spam disaster area once you have it online.

http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/audkyrie/morgue-audkyrie-20160721-163107.txt

first win pls gz
ty for your help /rlg/

>>149143509
>filename
Pesky Reticulans, Improvements, Moar Everything
aka PRIME for short

learn to read pls

>>149098501
>that UI

>>149098501
>0 con
radiation poisoning is a bitch in that game

is there any way to actually restore the lost con other than paying all your money to the doctorbot in town?

>Splat to unseen horror
>On D5

Now THAT'S bullshit.

>>149161164
Scaling in zigsprint is a bit off.

The thing about not taking Makh or TSO in a meleezig is that HP on kill provides a very helpful buffer against torment. Generally it's easiest to have that HP return available.

This doesn't matter as much if you're allowing yourself to use invo/evo, in which case you can level your aoe skill of choice and go to town. You'll just have to slow down and play more carefully depending on the floor's monster set.

>>149162691
congrats~

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>>149162691
grat

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>>149162691
Gz anon!

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>>149167984

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>>149162691
Nicely done, anon.

>>149165073
It's so ugly it reminds dev of his mother.

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I just want it to stay in a single shape for long enough to tab it

Why do they even heal?

>>149171487
It changed into a satyr and then back into anaconda before dying from poisoning

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Any mods for Cataclysm DDA where hunger and thirst goes down slower, alt scenarios/profs that start with the recycler bionic?

>>149173525
Debug in less thirst/light eater.
Or just ignore it, you can go into starvation without that much impairment.

Should I invest in shields for OpTm? I've got statue form online and I just finished Lair.

>>149173525
You really don't need it.
Trust me.

>>149173993
Yes yes and yes
Maybe not tower shields, but if you're killing stuff well enough a shield and especially a buckler are incredibly worth the investment

>>149175184
Thanks a bunch. Found a book of the Dragon in a bazaar - worth picking up for dragon form? Or is that garbage on an Op?

>>149175897
Statue form is for optimal play. Dragon form is for fun.

>>149092567
watch the original series

>>149175897
Dragon form absolutely shits on everything, especially if you're an octopode since jewelry doesn't meld
If you can get it castable do it, but remember that statue form is still the best, defense-wise

>>149175897
Dragon form dishes out more damage than statue, especially if you're a cheipode, but it tanks your defenses. Its a higher level blade hands, if that makes sense. Anon played a strength stacked berserked dragon pode that wrecked fucking everything in 2-3 hits. It was pretty funny.

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Awoo, anons.
Remember to play with yourself today.

>>149178101
>>149176647
>>149176021
Hope I find another, then.
How's Hydra Form? Don't remember that being a thing. Sounds fun on paper.

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>>149178115
>play with yourself today
That's every day.

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>>149178115
I wish to use my "rng seed" to randomly generate a "level" within her "dungeon".

Speaking of which, Brogue!

>>149171487
Make hole in shapeshifter, it changes the shape of the wound into the shape of a non-wound.

>>149178115
I just sit around browsing ecchi all day without actually getting down to the fapping.

>>149179840
You are WEAK!
Unless you cum to roguelikes ascii regularly there is no place for you in /rlg/.

>>149178167
Just use dragon form

It's incredibly fun and you'll be shitting all over everything in 2-3 hits. Even more so since you get to keep your rings, which is why octopode dragon form is the best

>>149180380
Also, as a Chei dude you have no excuse NOT to have amazing EV

>>149178115
I would not touch Awoo in heat. I would not give her my dungeon meat.

I would not touch Awoo in bed. I would not pat Awoo on the head.

I would not touch Awoo with a bee. I would not touch Awoo as a tree.

I could not,
would not,
In the lair.

I could not,
would not,
ANYWHERE.

NOT IN A VAULT
SHE WON'T MAKE ME FAULT
NOT INSIDE ZOT
NO I WILL NOT
TOUCH THAT AWOO
LEAVE ME ALONE, SHOO SHOO

I preferred it when shitposting was about ants instead of this anime bullshit.

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>>149180924
Awoo this!
*unzips thicc*

>>149181068
NOT IF SHE IS THICC. NOT IF SHE HAS A DICK.
NO, I WILL NOT TOUCH THAT BLASTED AWOO.
PLEASE, I BID YOU GOOD DAY, ADIEU.

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>>149181065
Anime is and always will be the lifeblood of /rlg/.

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>>149138249
I fucking tried to tell you, man. I tried to warn you.

But you didn't listen, so now she's your waifu. For laifu.

>>149180753
is 32/31/18 amazing enough scores or do I need to dump shit into dodging more

>>149168056
dumb akari poster

>>149181412
more like a genetic disease, like downs
it won't go away, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't

>>149181412
2hu isn't anime.

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>>149181756
>>149181891

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>>149180924
>>149181240
noice

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>>149182000
>takes me almost a minute to realize this isn't my /jp/ tab
What the fuck are you guys doing?

>>149181653
Those are some mighty good defenses, but he was talking about dragon form. What do you get from that?

>>149182312
awoo let the dogs out

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>>149181975
Abyuse is more RL.

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Konata > 2hu secondaries

>>149182481
Literally the only good thing to ever come out of Lucky Star: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R9k0yl8Atk

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What roguelikes let me be a vegan?
I mean with realistic downsides (less calories, more evil creatures being hostile) and benefits (better health, harmony with nature, alignment moving towards good and law), not just roleplay bullshit challenge.

I know nethack has the monk class, but that's pretty much it.

>>149182481
>playing pretend

>>149182952
spriggans are vegan

>>149182952
>He isn't an oxygenarian
Look at this turtle tamer and laugh.

>>149183108
fuck you i still have ptsd from hardcore oxygenarian

>>149182952
>I AM SILLY

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>>149183552
Vegan comics are high quality I AM SILLY, because non-vegan arguments don't require much (if any) changing to become I AM SILLY.

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>>149182952
>tfw I only eat animals that eat other animals

Dickothep would have never allowed such vegan shittery to take hold on the thread. Shameful!

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>>149183805
>As more people have gone vegan, there is less demand so I am closing down.
Here is the real joke.

>>149183805
Literally who makes that argument

>>149184843
I'm a vegan and I hear this argument a lot. Usually on /v/ and on /pol/, when I interject veganism into random, unrelated threads.
I am a vegan, so I would know.

>>149185019
Well, just so long as you don't start doing it here, okay?

>>149185158
I asked about vegan RLs, that's related.
Certainly more related than awoos and 2hus.

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>>149185158
>>149182952

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I left all my magic mapping scrolls on my stash of course

On a separate note Shoals looks super nice compared to the rest of the game. I like imagining my character is going on vacation and picking a rune on the way. If it wasn't so fucking dangerous I'd do it first every time

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Something seems... off about this series of posts.

>>149185575
>having a stash when there's no item destruction or weight limit

>>149185575
>Keeping valuables in your stash
>Keeping a stash after .14
For what purpose?

>>149185575
It's not like you'd have enough money for anything good anyway

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>>149185256
Fuck you and fuck your whore of a mother.

>>149185575
Shoals gives me a headache.

>>149185575
>Shoals
>XL15
Incoming splat.

>>149185990
He could be diving for a better trident. Maybe.

>>149185932
Have you seen old shoals or swamp?

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>>149185990
It's a minotaur. I was tabbing through everything

Only problem was that I got tired of fighting a bunch of satyrs since I wanted to get to the caravan so I teleported away. Worst tele in recent memory
>>149185692
>>149185712
Because I like having inventory space. I also keep enchanting scrolls, brand weapon, recharging and such there

>>149186372
?Magic Mapping is what you keep in the inventory.
?Branding and ?Enchant * are what you leave behind for later

>>149186372
Fault. Don't keep stashes. Instead, learn to use your autopickup properly, and know what is actually garbage and what isn't. I guarantee you probably had a bunch of trash wands, lignification, brilliance and amnesia scrolls clogging up your inventory. Being proactive is required but why the hell wouldn't you do it? It removes so much tedium to stay on top of it.

>>149186640
Eh, no, I didn't. I had like 20 free slots.

>>149165243
what
there's a town in that game? how many floors deep is space base?

>>149186758
You only need 2-3 free slots.

>>149186848
I like keeping 10+. When I'm doing a melee dude I keep staves and books there. On that character I also kept a crystal ball of energy, a disc of storms and a box of beasts there since my Evo was still too low for them to be useful. Potions that are useless past D:3 like berserk or lig go straight to the stash. Rings I don't need (like stealth for a character in heavy armor or wiz/magical power for a troglodyte) also go there. Shit amulets like harm, to the stash it goes. Gear that becomes obsoltete or nice randarts that I can't use too.

I honestly don't think I'm being too picky. I'll make a note to not drop magic mapping again though

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>>149185256
But what about awoos in a roguelike?

>>149187672
>and at the center, an elf with the autumn katana
heh

>>149187489
Here is what you do. Keep books until you have too many. Drop them all in one pile. Wield ID staves if you have remove curse, drop them immediately. Only keep a disc/cball if you plan on using high evo (literally 20+). Turn off autopickup for stuff like rings of stealth, berserk and lig (those are both still really great, but for other uses that take a specific character to want them). Leave every ring that isn't EV/AC DEX/STR or an important resist and shit amulets on the floor, as well as bad randarts. Leave standarts you can't use too. Don't even bother with shit wands if you aren't using evo (10+ by the time you're doing your first branch), because you will never use them over another viable action. Keeping a stash just wastes turns and your time.

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oh

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>>149187672
Hi.

>>149188335
Put them on your head.

>>149188176
But what if I think it's fun to keep an autistic dragon hoard in Temple

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>>149188416
I wish this was real

>>149188531
Oh, its you. Keep on doing your thing.

>>149188648
Should be a thing if you have horns 3, instead of a helmet you can put a boot on each horn.

>>149188669
I'm not him, just inspired by him on that respect

I think I'll worship Fedhas for the rain power at some point and lure an iron dragon there to trap him between deep water.

>>149188993
Or, a la IVAN, bootpunching

>>149181065
Awoo has always been here, anon

>>149186837
robot town is on SB:10 and it has staircases to 2 or 3 different branches I think

>>149189018
the deep water is temporary unfortunately

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oh shit

>>149189848
Necromutation is shit

If you had the power to mix and match features from different crawl versions with your mind and do so flawlessly at the first try, what would the game look like?

>>149190062
I would just make my own roguelike if I knew C++ that well.

>>149189967
i'm all for a tomb cakewalk, either way

>>149190062
Sludge elf in hydra form casting hydra storm

>>149189848
If you have statue form, you probably don't want necromut. They fill similar rolls and 8 spell slots is a lot for having 2 of the same spell.

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>>149190529
Does statue do anything for torment? I can't remember if it does or if it's just rN+

Either way, I'm pretty huge already

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>>149187489
>>149188176
>lignification
>useless

get your shit together /rlg/

>>149190697
rN plus you take reduced torment damage on top of that.

>>149190759
It stops being useful after lair. Literally only good for cheesing TRJ after that.

>>149190697
>rF++++++
And if Cerebov hits you you'd still go down to rF++ immediately.

>>149190886
>cheesing TRJ
How? ?torment?

>>149191119
Yep! For a full consumable kill, you quaff haste -> quaff lignify -> read torment x 2 -> read immolation -> zap iceball until you start the reaction. Keep a cancellation or two around just in case it goes bad.

>>149191119
>Lure it outside
>Pelt it from a distance to make it split
>Read immolation
>Blink away
>Quaff lignification
>Read torment with everything in LoS
>Repeat
>Kill a random jelly
>Enjoy fireworks