/wtg/ War Thunder General

>>149044490
Even on the remote chance that they add A2A I can 100% without even anything remotely resembling a shadow of a doubt guarantee they will never add the AIM-9. You need to get out of here with that shit before you infect some other poor deluded nigger.

>>149045294
Why wouldn't they. The first versions were hopelessly bad

>>149045330
Firstly, hard2code and beam-riding is already in the game.
Secondly, they'd have to break too many other rules to add aircraft variants capable of carrying those weapons.
Thirdly, have you ever even dealt with Gaijin or do you just shitpost here and on reddit?

>>149045486
It's not as if the AIM-9 was drastically better than beam riders of its time when it first came into service. You can literally dodge it with a sharp turn, and once you're out the seeker fov it's ballistic.

Jokes on you I don't even go to reddit and I'm not shitposting

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Reaper Meteor when?
ADEN Meteor when?

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So the M103, Conqueror, Chieftain and Conway all have a 120mm gun, right?

What would happen if you tried firing a Chieftain shell in the M103s gun?

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So this... is the power of APCR

>>149037668
>>149037995
>her
>Arthur ‘Pacifica’ Carley
I see

>>149045672
LOAD AYY PEE CEE OWR

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>>149045641
When?

>>149045665
AFAIK everything would be fine, but why on earth would you want to use something other than your OP as heck AP-T? )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

>>149045486
If ATGMs are any indication, air to air missiles are just out of the capabilities of War Thunders engines. Gaijin are already up to their tits with the problems of mouse/keyboard guided, subsonic missiles are giving the engine, I don't think they'd be able to make supersonic radar guided ones even possible.

I want to drop paratroopers in this game

>>149045763
What about fitting it all down the breech though?

Also wouldn't the high power shot of the M103s gun practically blow the turret off a Conway?

I wonder if they ever tried it.

>>149045828
>be skyknight
>switch from pilot view to "gunner" view (radar operator view)
>guide your Sparrow just like a sherri or IT-1 would
>anything but a Tu-4 or AFK IL-28 could ezmode dodge it
It wouldn't be that hard to do, but
>the real issue would be coming up with an A2A for everybody (that fits other aircraft restrictions ie. no afterburners)

>>149045672
I'm 100% that round is in game just so the devs can say "SEE YOU CAN PEN THAT TANK!"

>>149046184
I'm talking functionally mate, it would never work. As is, ATGMs have hit detection issues and flight issues. Now imagine trying to scale up the speed of the missile and make all the targets travel at transonic speeds, and imagine the WT engine, let alone the servers, try and figure out whether you hit or not.

>>149046184
Anyone that has a sabre could use the GAR-8 since it can be used on the versions currently in game

>>149046327
Most hit detection issues are tied to low velocity, and it's not as if supersonic projectiles aren't in the game.

>>149046332
>every sabre could mount sidewinders
>t. man who thinks every B-29 was silver plated

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>>149046437
>Most hit detection issues are tied to low velocity
you fuckin wot m8

Missile issues aren't the same as issues with low velocity cannons, you realise

>>149046327
Oh look its ATGMs dont work for me by memer the lemer.

Literally a (you) issue, upgrade from dialup you gigaslav

>>149046437
The F-30 could, and I'm almost certain they could get them on the F-25 and F-2, not to mention the Canadair

>>149046558
>memer the lemer
why you name dropping me? you're not even replying to me. Also the person I was arguing with about it was vegeta, and he was only arguing about it because he just wanted to shitpost about something

>>149046558
In what world are you living where ATGMs are all rosy and working perfectly? Are you saying there wasn't issues with SACLOS ATGMs flying off wildly in a different direction when fired? Or the ingame model of the rocket not displaying the true position of the rocket? Or how about rockets just plain old hitting tanks and doing utterly nothing, not even a hit?

Literally why would you try and defend it, other than to be a shill?

>>149046695
Cant wait to see you post your webm of you hitting tracks from houe it-1 and wondering why they didnt blow up

How much of an improvement will the P-47N be?

Pretty disappointed the P-51Ds got dropped BRs since they no longer face late war German fighters all the time now.

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>>149046558
>it's not shitty coding
>it's a (You) issue
+10GE

>>149046926
No, I'm talking about hitting a T-54 dead center and having the missile explode doing shitall damage.

Now do you actually have a stake in this shitposter, or were you just starting this because you thought I was your internet boyfriend or something?

>>149047005
There, he's even been kind enough to provide a webm.

>play 5.7
>1st game 6.7
>2nd game 6.7
>3rd game 6.7
>4th game 6.7
>5th game 6.3
>6th game 6.3
>7th game 6.7
>8th game 6.7
>9th game I don't know I uninstalled

Me being shit at this game is one thing. Me not having a chance to get better while being shit is another. I don't know if I should come back in a month when the game will feel fresh or just quit. I want to get good at this game but this is just bullshit.

>>149046926
>still being so retarded that you think everyone is me
>still thinking that a track would stop the ATGM

We had this discussion a few nights ago. A track isn't enough to stop the shaped charge from an ATGM or HEAT. Fuck off you retarded shill

I'm make it easy for you this time, because apparently you think everyone who disagrees with you, is me
t. meme lemur

>>149046587
The very first sabres able to use sidewinders were field modded in 1958. That's four (IV) "4" years after the timeline ends, and they weren't standard on any plane until a fair bit later.

>>149047005
Don't they have an arming distance?

>>149046926
>a track should stop the molten copper lining from an ATGM
no

>>149047137
No, not in War Thunder. They'd be completely useless on gaijin's 2x2 km meme maps if they did.

>>149047109
The cutoff date hasn't been a thing for over a year now you pillock.

>>149047137
IRL sure, ingame no.

>>149047137
no. the maps are way to small. but the retarded hit registration they sometimes have makes up for it

>>149047209
You're an idiot. It's '54 for planes, '69 for tanks.

>>149047106
Armchair generals decide what is real


t. Loser

>>149047109
>implying Gaijin gives a fuck about their own self imposed limitations

ATGM was a mistake to allow click and drag casuals a way to play tier 5 while giving soviets another top tier tank. A poor attwmpt to get more people from wot by adding stupid things

>>149047380
Alternatively, a poorly implemented representation of the evolution of armored fighting vehicles.

>>149047274
The cutoff date was done away with over a year ago, with the introduction of shit like the Leopard. Now it's based on performance limitations, which for tanks is pretty much only limited to no composite armour and ERA, and for planes it's no afterburners, supersonic level flight or missiles.

Or how about I point out the only reason you made up a 1969 "cutoff date" is because the Sheridan was introduced then, and was only added THIS PATCH.

>>149047454
They should have never went past 1960. If i wanted AW i would play AW.

>>149047509
You won't be able to play AW much longer.

>>149047074
))

>>149047605
Good, it was a bad WoT clone with modern toys.

>>149047484
It's been 1969 for months, senpai, even before they added the falcon and claimed to be seriously considering the gepard.

>>149046976
Can't have realism, that'd mean burgers would need actually functioning pilots.

>>149047287
>Armchair generals decide what is real
what did he mean by this

>t. loser
o m g you madman. you did not just say that

>>149047509
What most of us wanted way back when the cold war tanks were first added was a 9.0 tank BR, and for all the cold war tanks to be added there. That way they'd never see anything short of post war tanks and nazi prototypes, and even then only on a maximum uptier.

At this point what I want Gaijin to do is split up their WW2/Korea era stuff and Cold War stuff into completely different games. That way they can go about extending further and further into modern tanks, without fucking over the tanks from 1930-50.

>>149047721
No, it hasn't. First it was dictated by cutoff dates, way back when the top tier stuff we had was shit like the T-54. Now this was fine and dandy for jets, because past their allocated cutoff date the introduction of supersonic speed and radar guided missiles came very quickly. But for tanks, there was decades of tank development with no major developments that would shake up the gameplay of War Thunder if introduced. So then Gaijin switched from cutoff to performance, which at the time mean no smoothbores, no ATGMs, no composite armour or ERA and no BVR artillery. For jets this was nominally limited to what the cutoff date already did, which meant no afterburners, no supersonic level flight and no missiles. Now as we know this has progressed, and Gaijin changed their list of allowed stuff. This started with the Calliope introducing a form of "BVR artillery", which slightly bended Gaijins rules. Then just recently they completely broke them with the mass introduction of ATGM tanks. And next patch we'll be getting the T-62, armed with a 115mm smoothbore cannon.

So go ahead and stick that cutoff date nonsense up your ass, unless you'd like to explain why Gaijin just keep adding tanks from later and later dates? Or at least find any shred of a "cutoff date" from Gaijin themselves?

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>>149047783
Suffering, I really miss the Bulge map and dishing it out with G-10/K-4s and D-9s back in the day.

>>149047074
I sign in once a day to see what booster I get and to use it if it's a 200% + one. I honestly can't take the amount of up tier I face.

>>149048207
>next patch t-62

STOP THIS

>>149048207
>set a date
>fill up the trees to a reasonable degree with stuff
>over a year passes
>run out of stuff they want to/have enough data to add
>extend the timeline
Yep, that's definitely not what they're doing.

>>149048403
>not prefering smaller boosters that last longer
The moment you activate a 100%+ booster you will get a guaranteed uptier.

>>149048420
The T-62 won't be that big of a deal but it will be fun.

>>149048420
No, dude, it's confirmed, just like boats, frogs, pasta, anime tanks, bomber cockpits, anti-cheat, player arty, and the removal of RNG bounce chance.

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>he doesnt leave max uptier matches

>>149048526
Yeah fun for slavaboo getting another top tier tank.

Fuck off already, your tree is already good enough.

>>149048552
>>149048420

IT-1 is literally the T-62 chassis, you realise.

There's some serious denial going on if you think it's not being added after being confirmed multiple times by BVV and Gaijin.

>>149048427
Or, right, listen here, mind blowing stuff, they did away with the cutoff date completely! Fucking mind boggling, right, the utter madmen?!

>>149048632
USSR currently has two top tier tanks. Same number as USA. And Germany.

Funny that.

>>149048427
They should have gone into paper tanks desu

Or japan
Or france
Or Italy

>>149048632
Until the IT-1 was added the russian top tier was the worst top tier for tanks, except for arcade shitters. The T-62 will have all the same problems that make the T-54 and T-10 worse than the Leopard and M60 and Chieftain, but it will at least marry the APDS performance of the T-10 to a medium hull.

>>149048710
>they should have given the naziboos even more papershit
>they should have given weebs their shitty tier iii max tanks

god no

>>149048756
>implying weebs won't get American tier 5 reskins

>>149048691
Who are the two top tier usa and nazi?

I only see the sheridan and leopard be worthwhile.


>>149048740
>worst top tier
>best heavy
>best SPAA that can kill tier 5 tanks with ease
>t-54 1951 race cars
>it-1 click amd draggers

>>149048491
I get up teried anyway. I'm not going to sit through 10 or 20 missions of missary.

>>149048756
You do realize clapper and soviets have lots of papershit that could be added but isnt.

Also japan has good tanks all the way to tier 5

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>>149048910
>Also japan has good tanks all the way to tier 5

>>149048840
>top tier aren't top tier unless I say so

convenient. The M60 and Rakatenjagdpanzer are both top tier, just like the T-51 and ZSU-57 aren't top tier. Unless they became Cold War MBTs/ATGM slingers while I wasn't looking?

>>149048910
Nazis would be the most pandered and benefit the most from papershit. Yanks and Slavs benefit the most from prototypes.

>Also japan has good tanks all the way to tier 5
How do I say this
"no"

>>149048691
>USSR currently has two top tier tanks. Same number as USA. And Germany.

>M551
>M60

>RakJPz 2
>Leo
>Kugel
>Jpz 4-5

>T-54
>T-10
>Su-122-54
>IT-1
>ZSU-57

Yep, only two. Just two, same as everyone else.

>>149048616
Why would you?

>>149048616
>he doesnt enjoy a challenge

Are 5.3 109s worth it? They feel like absolute shit when stock.

>>149049084
they feel like bricks when spaded too

>>149049084
Supposedly they're good spaded, but it's a pretty miserable grind.

>>149049064
>ZSU-57
7.7 SPAA, or 7.3, I forget.
>Su-122-54
7.3 now I believe
>T-54
7.7, and hasn't been relevant in years. The first two don't even have HEAT-FS, and the last one has it as a final tier module.

>>149048632
>T-62
>good
you have been severely misinformed

>>149048840
>best heavy
T-10 isn't a Maus
>best SPAA
close, maybe tied with Falcon
>T-54 1951 race cars
so you've never used one, because they have shit reverse, turning, and is slightly slower than the M60 in practice offroad.
>it-1 click amd (sic) draggers
the Sheridan missile goes 50% faster and is harder to dodge.

Anything else? Do you even play tier 5?

>>149049184
It really is amusing watching what I'm assuming are naziboos getting buttmad at what is essentially a worse T-54 with worse APDS than the 105mm.

>>149048840
you realise the sheridans ATMG is faster, has more range and is more manoeuvrable. The IT-1 has the least manoeuvrable ATGM

>>149049184
>>149049241
It's good to know this thread hasn't gotten to the dogs yet.

>>149049169
Are you trying to claim that BR is indicative of what's top tier?

>>149049191
Maus is a meme tank. It's not 100% bad, but it's also not post-war armor design. IIRC it also has the late war german armor modifier.

>>149049169
>top tier means 8.0

Idiot

>>149049064
what makes a tank top tier?
what makes the kugelblitz top tier?

The new damage models are so frustrating. Planes arent tanks, jewjin

>>149049379
Good pen, extreme RoF, MG resistant.

>>149049151
>>149049165
Is there a single competitive plane left in german tier 4?

>>149049290
It's the only tier V heavy that actually does the job of a heavy, though. In practice there is very little reason to pick the T-10 over a T-54 when HEATFS is on the table.

>>149049290
>Are you trying to claim that BR is indicative of what's top tier?
No, I can't be bothered explaining to you what makes it not top tier for every tank.

But if you really want to know, "top tier" refers to cold war MBTs or ATGM tanks. The ZSU-57 isn't top tier, it's an annoyance. The SU-122-54 has been irrelevant since it was first added, and then completely superseded by the T-10Ms gun anyways. The T-54 has been made irrelevant by the cold war MBTs, aside from the 1947 which still enjoys WW2 matchmaking.

I mean, your list also included the fucking Kanonenjagdpanzer as top tier for fucks sake, of course I'm not going to take it seriously. That tank is literally the M47s on a worse chassis and with no fucking turret.

>>149049260
You realize the IT-1 can literally hide the best of all ATGM and get kills without ever worrying aboht being shot back

>>149049443
Doras and the K-4 have always been good

>>149049241
>>149049282

ikr

Also, the main shell the soviets used on the T-62 for the first few years has worse penetration than the long 88mm APCR. if that's the T-62's sabot, I'm gonna laugh so hard

>>149049481
The raken and STRV can do it too. also, nice engrsihyd

>>149049443
D12, D9, that new Ta, the K4 is good if you git gud. The Me 410s and Do 335s are obviously still great at decimating tank columns.

>>149049443
d9 but it locks up when you go fast now

>>149049191
>maus
>good
Literally a giant slow billboard saying shoot me

And ZSU is miles beyond Falcon for being mobile td with autoguns

>dive on dicker
>cumming straight down on that mother fucker
>just start smoking it with shVAK cannons
>i mean i'm just splurging all over inside that big open box
>he starts backing that ass up
>i'm just tunnel visioned in on him
>i'm giving zero fucks at this moment
>i'm not backing off until i at least get a crit
>belt is 1/2 a second a way from being burnt
>fucking dive into that shit wings deep
>crash crits his track
>replay shows only about 2 rounds hit the rest were about one dick length to his right

I just don't know /wtg/...

I don't feel like playing much anymore after this. I think everything would have been fine if I didn't watch the replay and chalked it up to a bad damage module. After seeing this though all the other times that this happened is now coming to light. I mean I wasn't upset that I didn't get the kill until I watched the replay. I mean I'm thoroughly disappointed.

What the fuck /wtg/... I'm actually for the first time in over 1000 hours just disgusted.

>>149049080
+1 GE!

>>149049443
Doras are still good, and 30mm HVAP isn't what it was, but it still fucks up player tanks.

>>149049472
>400 mm pen HEATFS
>irrelevant

>ZSU-57 isn't top tier
Oh, I am laffin.

>>149049545
STRV cant do shit unless its behind a giant hill and even then its missles are pure shit.

>>149049545
The saving grace of the T-62 is that it will have APDS with the same speed as the T-10 APDS, which is the fastest shell in the game afaik

it won't really matter much because lol scope zoom and compressed ranging marks, but it's something

>>149049638
Soviet HEAT-FS is a meme that no one uses

t. Lohere

>>149049645
>ONLY THE IT-1 CAN HULL DOWN!!1!!
>THE STRV IS ONLY GOOD WHEN HULL DOWN

What are you even trying to argue?

>>149049741
Oké.

>>149049565
>And ZSU is miles beyond Falcon for being mobile td with autoguns

And the Falcon is any different because...?

>>149049638
Wow yeah 400mm pen HEAT-FS, that's ama- Oh wait, that's right, every other tank at Tier V gets the same stuff but they have a turret and more armour, shit. But what about that 122mm APHE shell, that must be goo- Oh wait, it's the same shell the IS-2 44 uses, that's right.

>ZSU-57 isn't top tier
The ZSU is an annoying SPAA, but it's preeeeeetty far from calling it "top tier". No HEAT-FS, no ATGMs, no impregnable armour, it's not even invulnerable to MG fire.

Just annoying, which unfortunately doesn't make it top tier.

>>149049905
What is shit pen for 500 points? Unless your willing to pay for apds after grinding 100k+ rp does the falcon even become decent.

>>149049845
LOW PROFILE MEME LORD THAT CAN HIDE ITS EVEN BODY PLUS TURRET VS A GIANT CENT 3

>>149049576
get better at aiming

>>149049964
>Y-y-you have to grind for the APDS belts, that means its worse!!!

It has APDS belts. Which means it can use those APDS belts. Which means saying it has shit pen is irrelevant, because those APDS belts don't have shit pen.

How about I just assume all ZSU drivers are just using HE, surely that means it's got shit pen too?

>>149050029
Are you retarded? you know the STRV launches it's missiles vertical. so it can hull down better than the IT-1 now because the IT-1 had it's sights lowered

this is some weak shitposting

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>tanks

>>149045175
Image is untrue. First combat engagement with Tiger IIs wasn't on the Eastern front, it was on the Western one with a British tank company.

They lost 3 Tiger IIs to the British :^)

>>149050108
You clearly never played the STRV. Its literally shit and the missles are shit too. You cant even club at 6.7 with it and you get 3 max

>>149049905
ZSU-57 has better pen on its APHE than the falcon's HVAP, not to mention its AP-t.

>every other tank at Tier V gets HEAT-FS
>not posted from my M46, T32, T95, Tiger 105, Maus, Jagdtiger, or any bong

Oh, wait, 400 mm pen HEAT-FS?
>not posted from my M47, M48, M103, Jpz 4-5...

>not to mention the 45 mm pen HMG

Guys i have every tank in the game, I think I know better than you guys. Please shut up and move onto a mew topic.

>>149050212
>>Its literally shit and the missles are shit too. You cant even club at 6.7
Literally posted from your centurion mk5 that gets more zoom that every other gun tank in the game. Fuck off and get good

>>149050051
+5GE

i think this meme is about as dank as the just flank ))) meme

>in order to get better at aiming you have to stop shooting the target and start missing in order to actually hit it ))))))

>>149050350
>muh zoom
Literally meaningless for a tank with a railgun and barely any drop

>>149050191
>the first combat encounter between Soviet tanks and the Tiger II

also
>trying to say Zaloga is wrong about something

>>149050258
>ZSU-57 has better pen on its APHE than the falcon's HVAP
And the Falcon has a blitzing faster fire rate than the ZSU.

>not posted from my M46, T32, T95, Tiger 105, Maus, Jagdtiger
Then let me adjust it to "top tier v", which I assumed you would be able to deduce on your own but here we are. You know, because your entire argument is about top tier tanks.

>or any bong
The bongs that get extreme pen APDS as their default rounds, right.

>not posted from my M48, M103
M48 and M103 both have HEAT-FS though...? The M47 and Kanonen are piles of shit, everyone knows that.

>not to mention the 45 mm pen HMG
how is this related?

Is there any proof the Tigêr 2 even existed?

>>149050358
>eplay shows only about 2 rounds hit the rest were about one dick length to his right

so you missed most of your shots. You think everything is at fault but you. But clearly your leading was slightly off

>>149050532
I'm not sure nazi germany isn't a fabrication

>>149050529
You dont need fire rate when you can kill tier 5 tanks in just a few brusts that leave no reaction time. Its amazing how ZSU players actually think their mobile td is not the best, then again thats about every soviet player attti

>>149049905
are you unironically retarded? the T54 lacks armour? It's the only T5 medium of any nation to reliably deflect APDS and sometimes HESH shells (inb4 hurr durr heatfs) not everyone runs HEATFS you slav monkey.

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>tanks

>>149049576
>I'm now slightly aroused

Honestly though friend if your first few rounds in that situation aren't killing him you need to adjust the aim even if that means you aren't technically aiming at him. I learned that from the HE 112 A-O. I love using that plane to bust up open top SPAA in low tiers. A lot of the time I have to aim a little off after the first volley sparkles. You will know when cannon rounds are hitting an open top because they will melt fast friend.

>>149049059
ZSU-57-2 is one of the best T5 vehicles since it pens almost any German and British sugarcube with ease, while being fast and rapid firing.

Tanks ruined WT

>>149050648
>reliably deflect APDS
There are people who can't pen a T-54 with 105mm APDS? Literally shoot the upper front hull and done. Not even a slav player here, I farm these things in the M60.

>>149050452
>you don't need more zoom when your gun has no drop
yep, you're retarded

>>149050721
Boats will ruin it further.

>>149050529
>And the Falcon has a blitzing faster fire rate than the ZSU.
Fire rate really only matters vs planes.

>how is this related?
You can kill any light, any SPAA, and even some TDs and mediums you see using it, including the leopard. How could it possibly be unrelated?

>>149050358
>you have to stop shooting the target and start missing in order to actually hit it
Yes, that's pretty much how leading works my man

>>149050763
>gets told
>resorts to insults

Git gud

>>149050609
>You dont need pen when you can kill tier 5 tanks in just a few brusts that leave no reaction time. Its amazing how Falcon players actually think their mobile td is not the best, then again thats about every bong player attti

amazing how quoting borderline irrelevant stats about a tank can pass as an "argument"

>>149050648
What the fuck are you spouting you fool, I didn't mention the T-54 that entire post.

>>149050706
So by "almost any" you mean "just the Leopard" and "with ease" you mean "only the lower glacis of British vehicles", gotcha.

>>149050820
>ZSU is weak and hard to play, british bias
t. Shitter

>>149050804
>>>>>>gets told
yes dude, you sure blew me out. Tell me more about how zoom doesn't matter. What kind of wood is your brain made from? Is it a hard or soft wood?

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>>149050780
Wow yeah, I've seen all those montages of people racking up kills galore with those MGs. Utter menace, just gunning down Maus' without even needing to reload.

Not like the only place 45mm of pen could kill a Leopard is from the ass or anything.

>>149050908
Excellent comeback friend.

>>149050559
>>149050787
You're not really suggesting sparkling doesn't happen are you? You're not really really suggesting that the hit detection is good are you?

The amount of times the replay shows a far different bullet deviation than my actual recording of it happens so much I stopped saving the clips because they were taking up space.

>Yes, that's pretty much how leading works my man

Shills really need to stop acting like they don't know what someone means in an attempt to make their logic right.

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>>149050951
>any light, any SPAA, and even some TDs and mediums
>Maus

>What is the side of the hull of the leo
Go get yourself tested, you're clinically retarded.

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>play germans
>climb to 5k
>retard allied team is all low
>getting slaughtered
>my options are diving down like a retard and ripping my wings or ending the match with zero points

>>149050949
>binocs on other tanks is hard to use
>I need max zoom on railgun tanks
Shitter

is the improvement from t-34 1942 to t-34e stz worth +0.3 br?

>>149051017
>any light, any SPAA, and even some TDs and mediums
>Maus
It's called hyperbole. I was mocking you.

>What is the side of the hull of the leo
45mm angled at 40 degrees, per the image.

>>149051027
damn dude, stop roasting me with your superior intellect and knowledge of the game

>pockrt gets up to go to summer school to make up for the classes he failed during the school year
>immediately starts shitposting about how hard2use Russian tanks are
lâl

>>149051031
It's extra armor against idiots. Good players will still penetrate your turret and wreck you.

So yeah it's worth it.

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>>149050529
>falcon has higher pen on the APDS
>but anon the ZSU 57 has more pen on its aphe
>FALCON HAS HIGHER ROF THAN ZSU57

>"Wow yeah 400mm pen HEAT-FS, that's ama- Oh wait, that's right, every other tank at Tier V gets the same stuff but they have a turret and more armour"
>but anon the M46, T32, T95, Tiger 105, Maus, JT, M48, M103, Centurion 10, Conqueror, Chieftain does not get 400mm pen HEATFS
>THEN LET ME ADJUST TO TOP TIER V
>b-but what I meant was "but they have a turret and more armour"
>but anon the T54, T10M are overall better protected than M103, Conqueror, Centurion 10, Leopard 1, M60, M48, M47, M46, King Tiger 105, KJP! only chieftain, Maus, T95 and JT having good armor!
>no WHAT I MEAN IS, the "m48 and M103 HAVE heatfs" m47 and kjp is dogshit anyway xD
>h-hahaha

can you change goalposts any more times in the same post you fucking slav nigger?

>>149051017
You can easily pen the leo from the front with the ZSU. 142mm of pen goes a long way.

>>149050820
Oh well, in addition to Leopards theres the raketenjagdpz, jagdpz4 and Coelian. Also have you checked what's behind the british lower plate? I'll tell you; ammo. ALSO remember we are still talking about FRONTAL engagements, not the side where the thing can pen anything.

>>149050996
Ok. Your aiming had surgical precision and everybody else is to blame. roger roger

>retarded women gives me a deadline by EoD today
>get into work at 7 am
>email from the same women saying it needs to be done urgently

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SHE DOES THIS ALL THE TIME FUCK OFFICE JOBS I JUST WANT TO PLAY WT

>>149050996
But thats how leading works. I just told you. You dont shoot at your target, you shoot where it will be. git gud

>>149050820
>"Oh wait, that's right, every other tank at Tier V gets the same stuff but they have a turret and more armour"

I was talking about this you russoid mongol.

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>>149051070
Wow, dude, right again, as always!

>>149051026
>no help to the team
>reeeeee shit team

>>149051070
>It's called hyperbole
you mean the lowest form of humour that only literal low functioning autist and literal sponges find funny

>>149051026
>dive 1,5k above them
>BnZ fags trying to chase 190s on the deck
>end game with 2-3 kills even if we'd lose
Play the game more and become flexible.

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>>149051095
>falcon has higher pen on the APDS
Except I never said this

>THEN LET ME ADJUST TO TOP TIER V
I explained this, I really didn't think you wouldn't pick up on the fact I was talking about top Tier V. I mean the entire discussion is about top tier tanks, remember? The only possible reason you'd include non-top tier tanks would be to intentionally derail the argument for whatever reason.

>but anon the T54, T10M are overall better protected than M103, Conqueror, Centurion 10, Leopard 1, M60, M48, M47, M46, King Tiger 105, KJP! only chieftain, Maus, T95 and JT having good armor!
but you never said this
>no WHAT I MEAN IS, the "m48 and M103 HAVE heatfs" m47 and kjp is dogshit anyway xD
I don't even know where to start with this.To quote you:
>Oh, wait, 400 mm pen HEAT-FS?
>not posted from my M47, M48, M103, Jpz 4-5...

Like, you literally said it yourself. Now you're trying to say that I'm the one who said it. And then trying to shit on me pointing out that you were wrong.

Get help, anon.

>>149051031
Fuck no at 4.0 you will be seeing a lot of M18s and 85mm t34s.

>>149051154
Shills going to shill.

Sparkling is horrible in this game. It happens a lot. It happens to a lot of people.

If your rounds are sparkling on the tail feathers of a plane chances are you aren't hitting it. In that situation aiming a little higher like at the cockpit will either knock the tail off or kill the pilot depending on whether or not the server side hit detection synced back up.

>>149051406
hyperbole is not a form of humor

I bet no one here even has a tier 5 tank

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Can I get a translation? I defended and killed two separate krauts in scissors and he'd say something after each kill. Just curious.

>>149051406
Hyperbole isn't a form of humour. It's purposeful exaggeration that isn't meant to be literal.

I didn't expect to be giving high school english classes on /wtg/ today.

>>149051529
Anyone here without at least two is a false flagging redditor, I guarantee it.

>>149051448
Yeah, sparkling is shit. Never claimed otherwise you strawmanning shill-spouter.
But you said
> 2 rounds hit the rest were about one dick length to his right
missing is not sparkling

>>149051461
>>149051589

>"hyperbole is not a form of humor"
>"It's called hyperbole. I was mocking you."
here we see the Natural 'Sponge brain Slav pants' in it''s natural habitat. be careful, big words and a basic understanding of the English language can send it into a frenzy

it's what I was getting at

>>149051263
What the fuck are you on about? Seriously, explain to me what the fuck your logic is. I don't understand where the hell you are coming from.

>>149051003
having more fun in their games at the moment 2bh

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Здpaвcтвyйтe

>>149051570
Basically translates to:
Idiot
Faggot

>>149051448
>Sparkling is horrible in this game. It happens a lot. It happens to a lot of people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqSQaDEu3Io&

n-no anon that isn't true!

you j-just need to aim b-better!

try leading the t-target anon!

>>149051678
pls no bully

>>149051070
>>149051438
No response to >>149051279 or have you decided to get tested after all? Maybe after you're certified as a retard you'll be able to quit your job at Chick-fil-a and just live off Obama-bux!

>>149051657
Hyperbole isn't a form of humour, you called it the lowest form of humour. Mocking someone isn't a form of humour either.

Continue popping flares, please.

>>149051438
no, I am saying the T54 and T10m are better protected than THOSE tanks.
and it was you who said every other T5 tanks have HEATFS with 400mm of pen, before changing goalposts to "top t5s" as if the Chieftain is not a top t5.

anyways
>>149050529
>not posted from my M48, M103
M48 and M103 both have HEAT-FS though...? The M47 and Kanonen are piles of shit, everyone knows that.

again you change posts to JUST HEATFS down from 400mm HEATFS.

>>149051329
No anon, we were winning. But no american came up to me so I had nothing to fight.
By the time I could savely have gotten down they were all dead.

>>149051657
what are you on about? Hyperbole is NOT a form of humor. What is so hard to understand about this? You can use it to mock other people, sure. Stop spouting buzzwors and learn some real ones

>>149051797
>hyperbole is not a form of humor

do you have this thing they teach in school? it's called "language proficiency"

>>149051739
>>149051797
it appears that my sarcasm has sent the Sponge brain slav pants into a spiralling fit.

He said He was trying to be funny using hyperbole, and I was making fun of the fact he said that by making a spin of what he said

>>149051649
Are you trying to be retarded? He said the replay showed 2 rounds hitting. The replay records what happened on the server not what happened on the persons client. The vast majority of the time there will be very minute differences and some of the time the differences will be rather pronounced. In the end the replay is almost never the same as what happens in the client.

>>149051797
>>149051739
>I don't understand sarcasm
The post.

He wasn't even replying to me and i knew he was joking. Fucking american education system

>>149051884
I think you misread something. He said he was using hyperbole to mock you. Sometimes mockery isn't funny, it's just sad. You are a weird little retard.

>>149051884
You didnt. You said hyperbole is a form of humor:
>>149051406

Thats wrong. Why cant you just accept this?

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>>149051570
>>149051678
googlefu'd it myself

i don't even know

>>149051993
>he said to you
Did he? No, he wasn't even replying to me
>mockery isn't funny
it's literally part of it's definition you illiterate sponge brain

>>149051776
You're right, instead the Chieftain has APDS with 400mm of pen. Shocker.

>again you change posts to JUST HEATFS down from 400mm HEATFS.
The M103 and M48 have 380mm pen HEAT-FS rounds

>inb4 400mm APDS isn't 400mm HEAT-FS!
>inb4 380mm isn't 400mm!

It's nice to see you trying to argue semantics and the wording of my post though, it indicates that you cannot argue with the true point of my post, in that the SU-122-54s 400mm HEAT-FS round does not make it top tier.

Can anyone here prove that nazi germany even had the technology to make Ho 229s?

>>149051993
>He said he was using hyperbole to mock you.
There are quite a few anons posting right now, anon.

>>149051993
>Mockery isn't always funny
wew
>>149052073
>You didnt. You said hyperbole is a form of humor:
it was a sarcastic post imitating what he said. Jesus fucking christ

>>149051971
>>149051884
>literally "I was only pretending to be retarded"

Sure anon, I believe you. You totally didn't think hyperbole was a form of humour.

>>149052130
Try the Smithsonian?
https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/horten-ho-229-v3

Or the US Army?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBnBSJ9bz3A

>>149052184
>when the burger education kicks in
And we wonder why every country on this planet hates us. it's starts with your inability to read simple grade school tier sentences

>>149052171
mock
>verb
>gerund or present participle: mocking
mimic (someone or something) scornfully or contemptuously.

English is complex.

>>149052241
Yup, keep repeating that anon. "lol ur retarded" is a great comeback too I hear.

>>149052171
nice damage control.
What exactly were you imitating? You just said it is a shit form of humor. How is that sarcasm?

>>149052090
yet Chieftain's APDS will inherently have a higher bounce RNG chance.
so it having a 400apds doesn't change anything. it's still not a top tier tank armed with 400mm pen HEATFS.

M103 and M48 needs those HEATFS to fight russian tanks such as T10m and T54. the Su122-54 will be fine with the APCBC shell in T5 battles because most western tanks lack workable armor.

>when you witness the true power of the american education system first hand

truly, the greatest super power

>>149052241
>ad hominem
>baseless assumptions
ah, the signs of someone getting btfo

>>149051448
t-34 dont meet t-34
that's the main reason im switching to soviets, i dont want to destroy soviet tanks, i sympathize them

>>149052372
ok Messere "Pooperpower by 2020" Messer

>>149052236
I feel like its a fearkongering conspiracy tho, notice how only the amerricans had proof of this machine? During the same time Northrup was making his own flying wings. I feel like the Ho 229 is just a failed northrup wing used for allied propaganda post war to show how bad the nazi were and how close we came to all dying etc etc.

t.underagealaskancuck

>>149052387
>>>>>>>>>>>baseless assumptions
>being this vain
furthermore reasons why people hate america

>>149052353
The Su-122-54 is also only 7.3 BR, which is significantly lower than other 400 mm pen HEAT-FS armed vehicles.

>>149052429
>A Horten glider and the Ho 229 V3, which was undergoing final assembly, were secured for sending to the United States for evaluation. On the way, the Ho 229 spent a brief time at RAE Farnborough in the UK,[3] during which it was considered whether British jet engines could be fitted, but the mountings were found to be incompatible[6] with the early British turbojets, which used larger-diameter centrifugal compressors as opposed to the slimmer axial-flow turbojets the Germans had developed.
Stop shitposting.

>>149052471
it's HEAT doesn't have 400mm of pen

please check penetration cards before shitposting

>>149052353
I'm not going to bother with your comment about the Chieftains APDS, I'm pretty certain at this point you don't actually have any Tier IV tanks, let alone Tier V.

But yeah, SU-122-54 will be fine against M103s, Conquerors, Chieftains and M60s with it's 200mm pen APHE shell. Absolutely A-OK.

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Reminder that soviets get pic related next patch. It shoots APDS at 3.4k-4k rounds per minute when you combine all 4 autocannons.

>>149052413
All I'm saying is that there are more 5.0 tanks than 4.0

The chances are you're going to be up tiered to at the very least 4.3, but more often than not 5.0

A lot of soviets drive t34 85s so they are sucking you in. Then the 5.0 clap lineup is strong so they suck you in too.

>>149052550
More propaganda, is there any real proof it was in britian or germany for that matter?

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>>149052570
You fucking what?

>>149052372
You're really bad at guessing

>>149052713
Your tinfoil hat is on too tight.

>>149052580
Ive never seen a su-122-24 in an 8.0 game, ever.

>>149052625
be more afraid of the Gepard

>>149052625
I keep hearing this. Is there any proof?

>>149052469
cool. that was a complete non-reply. I'm not even murrican. Thats what I was talking about with baseles assumptions. Are they supposed to help your case? sad

>>149052471
so it's a top tier vehicle?

I'll (humour) you,

"top-tier
adjective
adjective: top-tier
of the highest level or quality.
"a top-tier medical school" "

so, it's a 7.3 tier TD (less SP needed for spawn) with a 16 sec reloading 122mm that can fire a ~290mm pen APDS A N D a 400mm pen HEATFS?

gee totally not top tier!

you do know top tier means both of highest quality and top level right? right? or are you really this stupid?

/wtg/ has always been bad but when did it become worse than the official forum and choked with forced memes?

>tankshitters pitch yet another category 5 chimpout
>thread immediately goes to shit

Day of rope for tankniggers when?

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>tanks

>>149052862
>copypasta

>>149052841
Battle rating is spell T-I-E-R. You heard it here first! Tell your friends!

Alternatively, see:
>>149049290
>>149049294

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>>149052580
Your move slavshit

>>149052862
Too be honest I think it's when the marketers started to flood in.

>>149052789
That's because almost no one plays it, just in general.

>>149052841
It's not top tier, because actual top tier tanks either fire shells with the same kind of penetration with turrets and better protection than it, or fire controllable ATGMs. Funnily enough, having ONE aspect of a top tier tank doesn't actually make a tank top tier.

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>tfw you neutralize a bully

>>149052580
"most" western tanks. Conqueror, m103 and m60 both can be dealt with frontally with any of the AP-HE, APBC-HE, APCBC-HE shells from the 122-54. Only troubling opponent would be Maus, T95 and Chieftain. JT too, but it has shitty LFP.

I think it's you who lack T5 experience.

>>149052987
>filename

>>149052671
oh, i see, thanks
it makes sense to drive t-34 1942 then

>>149053008
OK, so now a tank must have turret to be top tier. Where's my Strv 103? clearly that should be in WT and put at 7.3 because only turreted tanks can be "top tier"

Why was west germany allowed to make the leopard and other tanks after losing WWII and killing 6 million jews?

>>149053128
M103 and M48 can deal with the T-54 and T-10M frontally too if you want to measure by your standard. Shoot the T-54 in the mantlet, shoot the T-10M in the spot underneath the gun.

But I would like to see the 200mm 122mm shell deal with an M103 frontally.

>>149053272
Because it was inducted into NATO in 1956 and allowed to re arm as a response to the East re arming first

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>>149052987
>when someone saves your photo and the meme it was replying too

good shit

>>149053262
ZSU has a turret

>>149053262
>only turreted tanks can be "top tier"
Your words anon, not mine. I was merely pointing out that other tanks had the same penetration rounds, but had a turret, which is better than no turret.

>>149053128
>Maus
>I can't pen a 220 mm plate

>T95
>literally what is a cupola

>I don't have 400 mm pen HEAT-FS or ~300 mm pen APDS

>Americans start waking up
>Thread immediately goes to shit

>>149053358
IT WAS YOU? NOT YLM? YOU CAUSED ABOUT 100 SHITPOSTS OF PEOPLE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO IT WAS

YOUR MOVE, SLAVSHIT

>>149053358
OK Triahx

>>149053428
Thread has literally been shit since it started, did you just wake up amerifat?

>>149053294
you clearly have no understanding of how horrible the M103 AP shell is. It'll actually bounce on that mantlet 9/10 times. Same with APCR, any sort of angle involved, and it'll bounce. the 122mm has far superior normalization than both.

and to top it off, with a penetration M103 AP shell and 90mm APCR will probably kill one crew, two at most. with a penetration the 122mm will kill the entire tank.

your move slavshit.

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>>149053428
Who could be behind this post?

>>149053272
why are 6 mln jews more important than 6 mln poles?

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>>149053294
>But I would like to see the 200mm 122mm shell deal with an M103 frontally.
Oh, look, it's the M103 """""HEAVY TANK""""" meme again!

>>149053358
ok lohere

>>149053358
> T-10M 161 45.96%

LOL
O
L

>>149053330
>East re arming first

they made a nuclear bomb in response to us having one, they are rearming the first))))

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>>149052987
Not him but I was calling you a retard earlier. That's also not your autism scoreboard, but I'll take the bait.

>>149053358
ok ylm

>>149053397
Troubling=IMPOSSIBLE!

do you even have any grasp of the language whatsoever? or do you just type in memes without knowing what they mean?

>>149053632
>only one spade, none at 8.0

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What did he mean by this?

>>149053706
>modules added that I can't be arsed to unlock after the tanks stop being relevant

>>149053525
>look at my tiny weakspots!!!

LMAO

>>149053775
Yeah that would be my excuse too

>>149053604
I pretty much only played it when it came out, so everyone good goy's the HEAT on the leo and M60

>>149053632
>literally only one of those is spaded and you probably did it back before it was tier 5
Wow, you must be an expert!

>>149053664
They're not even challenging. The Su-122-54's HEAT-FS blows right through any of those.

>>149053469
>you clearly have no understanding of how horrible the M103 AP shell is.
My M103 is spaded. It's AP has no problem going through the T-54 mantlet. Sure it does fuckall damage in there, that's solid shot for you. But no, it will no bounce "9/10 time", you absolute shitter.

And no, APCR ALSO won't bounce that much. These shells have REDUCED EFFECTIVENESS AGAINST ANGLES. No, that doesn't mean it'll always bounce, it means angled armour is more effective against them.

Besides if you're shooting right, the T-54s mantlet IS FUCKING FLAT. You're fucking horrible at aiming is what I'm gathering.

>>149053525
And I've sat frontally to a T-54 repairing for two minutes and had him constantly bounce off my frontal armour. The M103s mantlet is a complete dice roll.

Can we stop shitposting about tanks and post planes instead?

http://www.dieselpunks.org/m/blogpost?id=3366493%3ABlogPost%3A171670

>>149053841
Sure thing MEME LORD

>>149053853
>y-y-you have to spade all your Tier V vehicles for your opinion to be relevant!

This is advanced level autism. Btw there's these things called rangefinders, they reset spades for most tanks a while back.

>>149053907
ok bb

>>149053853
I was talking about the AP shells of 122-54 there. But yeah, the HEATFS makes everything trivial, in a BR where it can see 6.3 tanks.

>>149053810
>>149053962

tbqh it's a crime that gaijin adds modules that change the RP costs of a tier of unlocks and then makes you grind them out too

I should probably get them on my M103 though, that talisman used to mean something

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Reminder, this entire shitposting spree started because of an argument about how many top tier tanks USSR has.

I knew it wasnt YLM yesterday, he hates soviets just as much as the next guy. Makes sense that it was memer the i hit tracks all the time with my it-1 and then cry about it lemur.

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>>149053870

/wtg/ has always been bad but when did it become worse than the official forum and choked with forced memes?

>>149053867

>And I've sat frontally to a T-54 repairing for two minutes and had him constantly bounce off my frontal armour. The M103s mantlet is a complete dice roll.

bullshit. no one worth their salt shoots the mantlet of a M103 when the cheeks are almost entirely flat. I doubt you even have a M103.

>>149054087
It should have ended with >>149049191

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>>149054087
>tfw i started this

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>>149054087
>it's time to stop posting
No, not until anon admits that some nations have more top tier tanks than others.

>>149053758
She meant she wants people to gaypost about her!
>ywn force ylm on a semen only diet to lose weight

>>149054206
It should've ended immediately because top tier means cold war MBT and ATGM tanks

>>149054245
It was literally me that replied to the first person

>>149054261
Yeah, Britain only has one top tier tank after all. Everyone else gets two.

>>149054206
>it should have enddd with my post that shows i have no clue about tier 5

The fact you said maus was best heavy makes you a retard

>ywn rent YLM out to older men and film her slow descent into corruption

your move, slavshit

>ywn lock YLM in a room with a horny lesbian and watch her eyes turn to despair as she realizes that as a slave she has no say in what happens next

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when?

>>149054321
>falcon
>not top tier

Is this the part where you try to lie to me again about how only 8.0s can be top tier?

>tfw vegeta shitposts about YLM while hes at work

I wish Vegeta would stop relying on his mom and welfare and get a job

>>149054478
FUCK
OFF
YAK

>>149054505
haha okay yak what's it like pretending you have a minimum wage job to draw attention away from how you're bankrupting your family with your war thunder addiction?

>>149054342
>thunder league teams all agree that its only tank whose armor matters at tier 5
>saying someone has no clue about tier 5 after you say the T-54 is fast

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when ?

>>149054478
If falcon is top tier then so is ZSU-57 which means soviets get more top tier.

>>149054505
But that's wrong. Vegeta's banned for posting cock-licking porn.

>>149054521
>>149054572
>vegetathepedo literally waking up just to shitpost
ok

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When?

>>149054572
Chick-fil-a pays about min wage, your move welfare whore.

>>149046976
they're 5.0 and 5.3 in Sim
>>149047783
or battles that don't roll down to clibracing or/and low-alt fighting
>squad achieves altitude dominance
>waiting for Germans to make a move
>they don't
>game spawns ticket-bleeding trucks
>pick your poison: go low and die, or stay high and lose

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>>149054623
>bans
>anything more than a 10 second timeout as you double tap the airplane mode toggle
oké

>>149054594
Yes, wow, it's almost like what we've been saying the WHOLE TIME! >>149049064

>>149054578
[citation needed]

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When?

>>149054702
Instead of trucks they should have spawned bombers at 5k or so.

>>149054693
Above*, avg wage is like $10 for slav toer, more for managers.

>>149054727
He wasn't using his phone, lohere.

haha, meme

>>149054727
What does airplane mode do?

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wen?

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>>149054642
FUCK OFF PLANEFAG

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>first time making OP
>this thread

>>149054909
Watch the webm. The short of it is that it resets your data connection so you request a new IP. This works especially well if you're on a carrier with full IPv6 like T-Mobile.

>>149054984
well it's another 4 hours before the janny wakes up so yeah this is about what to expect desu senpai

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>>149055052
Literally didn't exist

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>>149054950
>tanks

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when?

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Any Mustang fans able to tell me how the D30 is different to earlier blocks in reality?

Did it even make the war?

Can't really find anything with google.

>>149054702
That would be fucking perfect.

Put the D5/20s back at 5 and D30 at 5.3 in RB.

>>149055247
Ingame, the D30 Mustang is running Korea War engine boost settings, meaning it has slightly higher performance than the D-5 and D-25.

What this should also mean is that it should be called the F-51-30 and also given M3 .50 cals to match it's Korea war settings.

>>149055247
IIRC the D-30 was the version that saw Korea, don't quote me on this though

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>>149055247
irl D20 should have 75" boost too. D30 is basically D20 but one that saw service in korea. Should be named F-51 anyways.

>>149055052
F' u' and your slav shit

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>>149055132
NO U

>>149055865
fuck the leopard 2s gun is short

assuming that's the 120mm, the M103 makes its dick look tiny

>>149055343
>>149055345
>>149055523
Cheers. So F-51s in Korea had their M2s swapped out for M3s?

Mad.

>>149056051
>So F-51s in Korea had their M2s swapped out for M3s
No, the M2's were still standard issue. but airfield ground crews were supplied with M3's and the ground crews were authorised to change put them in as a field mod

>>149055954
120mm L/44, later variants increased it to 55.

The successor 130mm with be L/51 calibres.

>planeposting takes over tankposting
>the shitposting immediately stops

hmmmmmmmm

>>149055954
sherry has 152 mm :^)

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325th for hype

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>>149056197
s-sure s-s-s-sempai ~~~

>>149056431
fuck off yak

>>149056197
Naw, yak had to leave for work.

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>imma dive on this p38 going really fast a couple of hundred meters below me dude energy fighting what could go wrong lmao
Lockheed a best

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>>149056902
so you got him on the fourth pass. good for you I guess?

>>149057175
>Mig-76 imaginary model kit box art

>>149057175
>stall speed at 300 kmph

>>149057203
>letting a p38 get on your tail after having been above him
yeah dude should've gone for first pass even though I would've lost all opportunity of future, more safe shots, because it would've been more mlg