/domg/ - Dominions General

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Claiming this thread for bats

>Page 7 already
THE NED TIMES ARE UPON US, BLESS THIS RAVAGED BODY

4th for domgluminati.

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HOW DO WE FIX LA MAN

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>>149001629
Make their crossbows not shit

>>149001629
give them more than one mage.

>>149001629
Anti-witch knights with insanely high MR, poison resistance, and undead/demonslaying weapons all at an affordable price

>>149001629
Like fucking Rockem Sockem Robots.

>>149001717
Why is Winter always such best girl?

>>149001717
>Buffing crossbows

THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN

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Vanarus, are you going to get your turn in or am I going to have to lazily edit some more grumpy anime girls?

>>149001839
Wait why are you giving LA Man witchhunters

How does this fit with the lore

>>149001629
Im going to make crossbows not AP, but increase the damage.

>>149002256
who is that girl in the window
what is she doing in there

>>149003002
waiting for turns

>>149002713
Kate pls

Kate

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>>149003192

>>149002256
I just did two turns. I'm taking a break, then I'll knock it out and maybe start a double.

Page ten, so say the prophets of doom!

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Thread on life support. C'mon, we had a 750~ post thread just a couple of days ago, is Midweek Dominions really this ded?

Dead game.

New PBEMs when?

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Now, behold the miracle of ILLWINTER CODING, you see here that my FINE FELLOW OF A COMMANDER HAS ACQUIRED A FROG!

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>>149009579
BUT SEE HERE, THERE IS NO COMMANDER. In it's paniced sate, the frog defaults to being a MERCILESS INDIE and sets upon the province defense with ABANDON! Or hops off the battlefeild turn 1, leaving a rather BEMUSED and TROUBLED bunch of soldiers wondering what happened.

>>149009096
It's night time in Europe and work time for East Asia.

>>149009747
> Hey Burney what so you think of that burned up tree stump over there?
>W-well I think it's nice that I came here and saw it with you even if you think it's stupid, Baka!

>>149002713
I'm gonna make crossbows AP, but decrease damage and range a bit.

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>mfw waiting for this turn

>>149001629
HAVING MORE THAN ONE MAGE WORTH A SHIT

What should I research as Riley?

>>149013057
i t

d e p e n d s

>>149013280
It depends on what? Riley is a pure astral nation, it's not like there's much you can do with it.

>>149013461
EA? MA? LA?
Fighting uw? (stellar cascades doesn't work underwater)

What are you fighting? 80% of research goals are tech to enemy strategies, usually.
But i'm a shitter, don't mind me.

>>149013461
Should you immediately go force Voice of Tiamat to search sites, evocation to give your Slave Mages some power, or construction to get your aboleths onto dry land?

>>149013057
I normally rush astral corruption.

>>149013057
Conj 5 should be rushed on ALL UW nations imo. Summon Water Ele rules UW, and Voice of Tiamat is priceless for gem searching.
After that it depends.

NOTHING BRINGS A THREAD ALIVE MORE THAN A SUDDEN REAWAKENING OF DER_GOTTERDAMMERUNG.

fuck that one guy who wanted to start on the weekend, I hope he's playing bats

>implying the only thing you should be researching as Riley isn't Greater Staling and Advanced Ritual of Going AI

>>149016000
trips confirm

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>>149015783

>>149016859
The mix of names taking themselves seriously, joke names, memes, and actual funny names never ceases to impress me

>>149016859
Bretty good 7/10 overall.

Special mentions to Lost at Nation Select and Dankdalf

>>149016859
>THere are people who unironically use default names
I'm going to kill those fuckers first, screenshot this post.

>>149016859
I'm going to rush cirno. I started next to him and he folds to bullying.

>>149019659
one problem with that plan. That isn't Cirno . . .

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Oh shit! Page 10!

>>149016859
boartiful made me kek.

>>149023021
Post memes to fight off the skeletons.

>>149023148
Who gives a shit about skellingtons.

Fight off the bats.

>>149023409
>>149000121
But anon, we are bats.

>>149023497
Then best to let the world rest in death. Only then, once all are dead, will the souls of young girls be safe from torment. Only then will the gnashing of father's teeth as they see their children ripped away from them end.

In death shall we all be equal.

>posting this here cause no one is left in the fucking game

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Post your wallpapers so /domg/ doesn't die.

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MEMES

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>>149000121
Amazing Bat Facts:
Bat genitals are usually 1/3rd the size of their body proportion wise.

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Quick /domg/! Claim your waifu to keep the thread alive!

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>>149029231

>>149029387
I'll fite you for that waifu.

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>>149029231

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>>149029231

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>>149025210

>>149029387
IMAGINE

>>149029387
>>149029504
>>149029841
Such fertility...

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>>149029231

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>>149029231

>>149030576
Your waifu is packing.

may i talk with gotterdammerung bats?

I really gotta get better at breaking stalemates.

>>149031978
I've gotta stop being a pussy and actually invade someone.

>>149031120

Yes you may.

>>149032723
go into steam chat then.

>>149032908

Group chat? I don't do Steam.

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/domg/ I think I broke the game somehow. Last battle I watched I was able to pull the camera back much farther than usual and then I was able to pan upwards indefinitely. I have screenshots that are entirely fog and skybox.

R'lyeh do your turn!

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>turn 3
>this happens

wew laddie. Perhaps 9 players in a 6 player map was not such a good idea after all.

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If anybody wishes to negotiate over control of Africa I'm open to the idea of discussion. C'tis I think you and me need to talk in particular since we're so close. I'm sure we can work out something we'll both find agreeable without too much trouble. I'm mostly interested in coasts.

Also post music to keep the thread from dying.

https://youtu.be/oo-4Wjrf0TM

>>149035628
Is there an updated map? I got no idea who my neighbors are gonna be.

>>149035695
I haven't seen an updated one but I think I still know the gist of it. Who are you? I might be able to help with naming your neighbors.

I'm right at the top of Africa on an island in the Mediterranean.

>>149034357

>800 Maenads in a Fort casts Cleansing Water

I haven't been that satisfied in a long time

Yay, a land province to start. And blocked off by a throne. Truly an auspicious start.

>>149035628
>>149035974
Hip hip, squids!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnwDPQcJ6JY

>want to go with turn one shenanigans
>realize I'm most likely gonna end up in a province controlled by someone else
This is gonna be weird.

Riley do your fucking turn reeeeeee

>>149037948
yes goy, shove that map move 3 dragon right into my sacreds!

>>149038047
>dragon
>thinking about your cap

>>149038047

>>Dragon

so is this like dominoes or what

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bump you lazy assholes

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It's raining outside ! Fuck you sunny days, I feel fresher already !
>pic mildly related

>>149035893
Oceania

All I know is that there's another UW nation a bit to my right since there's some palace looking drawing on the tiles.

>>149040873
it's like dominoes + risk + a magical warhammer.

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>>149041096
Where on this outdated map would you say you roughly are? This map doesn't include R'lyeh so it might be them, but then he said he started on land so that's out. I wish we had a good map for this thing.

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will it ever change?

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>>149041859
Geographically I'd say I'm where Pelagia is, although in-game I feel like I'm a bit more to the left.

Pic related has the castle I'm talking about to the right.

>>149042047
Ulm AI or chainstaling by turn 5. mark my words.

>>149042051
If you're off the west coast of Africa we might end up neighbors.

I'm going to save this image and alter it as I start expanding and seeing where people are.

Talk about something, fags.

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>>149043073
Speed Racer is not only an underrated movie, it's one of the great movies of the millennium.

R'ley. where are you.

I need to buy a computer to play whenever I'm not at home for several days.

Can this game be played decently, without necessarily watching battles, with a semi recent Intel integrated graphics card and 4 GB RAM?

>>149044290
I can play it on one of these http://www.tabletpcreview.com/tabletreview/toshiba-portege-m700-tablet-pc-review/

>>149044290
95% of watching battles is looking at what items commanders are wearing and what spells they cast turn 1 ( which you can often guess just by their paths), so anything that can run battles at 1 fps makes you almost fully competitive.

>>149044290
>>149044782
I have one of these and it can barely handle the game

http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=WKSPB7308

>>149044782
Ok, good, thank you.

>>149044925
>>149044925
To be fair many of its parts are last gen
And this game can't use 6 cores.

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>badmin Asphodel stales for 30 turns
>suddenly comes back and throws half a game's worth of freespawn at me while I'm at war with 2 other nations

>>149045420
>stales for 30 turns
>still exists
This is your fault, anon.

>>149045557
I subbed into this position. Besides, I had better things to do at the time, like fighting nations that weren't chainstaling.

My only mistake was not just quitting a game where the admin chainstales for half the game.

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/domg/ is so dead around this time.

>>149047571
If only we had more memes. They would keep the thread alive. Or at least on life-support.

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>>149047742
I got memes, but they're old.

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Old meme bump

>>149045420
> at war with 2 other nations
To be fair one of those is AI

>>149034626
Just kill your neighbors lad.
I hope you took an awake pretender

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Is this ever worth casting?

>>149047742
Der_Gotterdammerung looks like it has a lot of meme potential. Maybe it'll do /domg/ a lot of good.

>>149053062
There's usually a better use for death gems, especially since it's conj 8 and needs D5 to cast

>>149053681
Yeah it seems that way, especially since most stuff you can cast doesn't have a 50% chance of backfiring at your D5.

>>149053062
An Ashen angel is a fairly decent assassin, and it's 50% PER COMMANDER in targetted province so aiming it an army is fairly safe.
Also a D5 can generally kill them no sweat due to dust2dust and/or witherbones.

Abyss, just so you know, I took cold scales, so plz no rush.

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>>149053839
>mage misses the D2D since it's only aoe 1

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Can someone explain to someone new what those bars mean?

I guess one is fatigue, is the other HP left?

>>149054653
speaking of rush, how's its gonna play out ? Will every nation try to pull a fast one on their closest opponent ?

>>149055829
The red bar is damage taken. The bigger it is, the more damage that creature has taken. The blue bar is fatigue.

>>149055829
Red: Hp damage taken
Blue: Fatigue
Green: Poison

>>149055874
Dunno. I have 100% peaceful intent, personally.

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CHECK YOUR TURNS YOU FUCKS

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Random screenshot time. This throne-sphinx mauled my prophet to death because it didn't occur to me that they can fly when I was positioning my commanders.

>>149053062
I've had it used against me once, and it worked fairly well the first time. After that I started giving my important mages guards.

I can't see it as something you'd use regularly, but if you already have the research a remote assassin spell definitely has some uses.

>>149053839
>aiming it an army is fairly safe
Aiming it at an army means you'll most likely hit something low value, which isn't worth the four death gems and D5 mage turn to kill.

>>149061278
If it's a late-game army with 5+ summoned commanders and cap only mages, odds are good to kill something decent. But that is a point, and why 1 PD is invaluable as it means when their stack advances you can see the composition.

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What's the best way to lose with MA Man?

I know standard strat is to more or less rush Mother Oak and spam vine ogres + longbows + projectile buffs.
A pretender with fire scales is probably far better for the flame arrows but I do like to meme the wardens, death weapon warbows on a quickened mother with water path is relatively ok but probably costs too much on gems
Am I missing anything? Nation is pretty mediocre.

I really wish Knights of avalon were sacred

>>149064626
>best way to lose
Take imprisoned dom1 chassis and best possible scales (no extra dominion), suicide your starting forces and send all your income to your strongest neighbour

Anything else?

>>149064626
MA Man has no idea what the fuck it wants to do.

I honestly think it's one of the worst nations.

>>149064896
Sounds fitting. A bunch of humans with normal human virtues at a loss as to how to get shit done and survive in the dominionsverse.

>>149064626
Summod or no summod? If Summod, make lots of knights, rush the special buffs, support with A evos.

>>149065229
How is summod as a whole?
I see a few games running it but haven't messed around with it myself.

>>149065664
Its the future of /domg/

>>149065664
I'm biased because I helped a fair bit with it, but it's pretty good at buffing a lot of options that were rather shit, and adding some interesting stuff to nations that were terrible beforehand.

>>149065664
Summod is what every sane person is going to use for MP games.

>>149065753
>>149065789
>>149065835
What about worthy heroes? Still in everygame?
Run it along with summod or does summod fill that role aswell now?

>>149065664
Tries to drag some of the shittier nations up to being viable and nerfs some of the blatantly too strong shit in others. It's still being worked on but it's doing very good things for Dominions. Ideally we'll eventually reach a point where any nation can have a chance at winning a decent sized game. There are still natural imbalances between nations of course, the aim isn't to bulldoze everything down to a boring flat plateau.

Summod has good goals for balance and is competently reaching them a few at a time.

>>149066023
Worthy heroes has inertia but has more and more minor grumbles about what it's doing. However due to it being mostly harmless and kinda cool flavour wise it's still prevalent.

In terms of other mods, Magic Expanded has been released but has a very on/off relationship with balance.
ItemUnits is nearly done for MA just needs Amuys to finish sailor training and then have some balance checks.
BlessMod is painfully inching it's way into existence, fuck Ulm and Atlantis.
UW expanded is neat but rarely used, is not compatible with summod.

Is Amuys going to only play UW nations from now on?

>>149012423
Those mind duels were pretty brutal. Probably not all that worth it for me, considering.

Also, Agartha if you're here, why'd you go AI?

>>149059630
>Casting fire elementals behind your own archers

That's like leaving an amulet of vengeance on a hoburg commander in the middle of your formation.

>>149067542
Agartha went ai? GG then.

>>149067770
That guy was my 'Fire Arrows' caster. I forgot to set him to conservative gem usage. This was pointed out last time I posted that.

>>149067542
Oh did you guys fight? What happened? Was it cool?

>#name "Hatching"
>#descr "Luckily for humanity, hunter spiders take a long time to mature from spiderlings. Unfortunately with powerfull magic this time limit can be bypassed to horrific effects, causing those blessed to have eggs grow within them and explode out, which if you're not a hunter spider is probably fatal."

On a scale of 1 to warcrime, where does this fall?

>>149069104
Offensive spell or ritual

>>149069283
Bless spell, to own side.

>>149068772
I dropped an army and 10 Dusk Elders onto Nazca's cap. He counter-attacked with a ton of H1s and some Mind Duel casters. My actual army losses were replaceable (lost a bunch of Knights, though) but he did manage to kill 8 Dusk Elders. I have more but, still, 160 death gems just dead. Kinda sucks.

>>149069315
Turns your troops to spiderlings?

>>149069104
In Dominions?

Eh, something like a 4.

>>149069424
Your troops start spewing spiderlings which rappidly start growing whilst the troops die to poison damage whilst spewing more spiders.

>>149069549
I rate 5/5 bretty gud.

>>149069549
That is pretty awesome.

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>>149069549
That's fucking horrifying but also really cool at the same time
Does poison resist stop them from taking damage, then?

>>149070234
That's a very good question. Poison Resistant troops should not be immune, and should rapidly dissolve into spiders like everyone else.

Maybe apply bleeding, or have each spider spawn deal a bit of AN damage?

>>149055874
Oh undah da sea. Down where it's wettah, oh down here it's bettah.

I sort of forgot how this song goes.

>>149071548
Same. Shall we split the world across the Equator, Squidfriend?

>>149067218
I get it!

>>149071724
>Squids remaining alive to split the world
>Not bulldozed by Pelagia
Good luck.

>>149074095
You know, now that I think about this, on maps like this where they're actually fighting, what, 4 other UW nations, Pelagia will actually get some mileage out of its aquatic units.

Noob here, is it normal to have populations drop each turn in all owned provinces as age 3 Ermor?

>>149074760
>age 3 ermor

Are you playing Dominions 3?

>>149074760
Assuming you mean Lemuria, then yes. It and several other spooky nations have a popkill mechanic. These nations typically give you freespawn units to make up for it

>>149074760
>>149075017
Oh, nvm. LA Ermor in Dom3 is closer to MA Ermor. Same idea, though. You have popkill from your dominion and rely on spooky skeletons.

>>149074368
EA Pelagia troops not so good though.

>>149045420

Are you Points of Light? Call you please kill me (Arco) if you're not one of the nations already trying to do so? I just want to end the game already but I don't want to go AI until I've had a decent battle

>>149075196
>>149075063
>>149075017
Good to know, thanks. I was worried about gold generation since I knew supply wouldn't be much of a problem, but I think I've been lucky since i have a couple of provinces with gold magic sites.

>>149075504
All you need is enough gold for forts. Take T3S3C3L3M1, spend the rest on a wicked bless, and drown the world in ghosts/skeletons.

>>149068772
I like to summon some Terracotta Soldiers to serve as blockers for my fire ele summoners.

>>149070363

What would the interaction between spider hatchlings and b9 be? All your sacreds just exploding and then all the spiders failing mr and exploding?

If it weren't for its awful morale, R'lyeh's triton Slave Guardian would be the most efficient UW unit
9 gold
15 HP
11 prot
19 damage trident
S E V E N morale

>>149075959

on top of that, what about underwater? Do your blessed sacreds slowly die and all the spiders then drown?

>>149075972
AMBER CLAN GUARDS

Seriously, those assholes shit on every other UW unit.

>>149075718
I have no idea what T3S3C3L3M1 is unfortunately, I'm playing the game blind, without guides.

>>149077294
T(urmoil) 3, S(loth) 3, C(old) 3, L(uck) 3, M(agic) 1. You have no recruitable units, so you can trash your scales really hard. Death 3 is also mandatory, forgot to include that. The luck scales gives you free gems and income, and the single point in magic gives you more research without making your troops more vulnerable to banishment.

>>149077294

On your pretender take the scales Turmoil 3, Sloth 3, Cold 3, Death 3, Luck 3, Magic 1,

2016-07-20 16:22:28 +0200
AI recruitment improvements

>>149077414
Thanks, looks like I chose poorly. I went O3, P3, G3 and F3.

Also I'm a little confused about who you play as. Are you supposed to be the pretender god you create or a god controlling the pretender god and everything else?

>>149077186

Pelagian coral clan soldiers are comparable at a fraction of the resource cost.

>>149077414
I find M3 works fine for Ermor. You kind of desperately need any research you can get and I hope to be fighting in enemy dominion anyways, at least at first. If you do end up going full cancer turtle I'm not sure if a point of MR will make all that much of a difference.

>>149078035
16 v 13 prot and 19 v 14 damage. There is a pretty noticeable difference
On the flip side, the coral clan has 16 v 13 hp, poison barbs, poison on their weapon, and formation fighter. I'd say you might get more out of them for their res cost, since you can build 2 coral clan per amber clan, but you get way more value for your gold from amber clan.

>>149077901
You're the pretender.

You make your will known to the nation's rules through telepathy/divine messages, which is why you can give orders even when imprisoned.The last one is pulled out of my ass

>>149079297
rulers*

I'm looking at trying to do an MA Ulm build with a pretender aimed at breaking into blood. Is there any way to scale up bloodhunting aside from empowerment and vampires?

>>149081924
I assume you already know, but you should forge Sanguine Dousing Rods for hunters

>>149081924
Just go with a dormant alchemist with D3B3 or so in addition to their other paths, as is standard. You don't need an awake expander, you don't really need an SC, and you have no sacred units. A rainbow's your best choice.

>>149077575
cool, although we already had a mod for than.

unfortunately recruitment is not enough to make playing against the AI decent.

>>149082014
Yeah, ofc
>>149082032
I'm honestly not a huge fan of site searching with a pretender, because that's 2 turns of what's theoretically your most valuable unit per province. That's also why I'm asking about scaling, because I want to transition to other bloodhunters ASAP so that my pretender is free to do the forging/casting that my other mages can't.

Man, more than half the people in memegeddon gone with Vanheim AI. Guess bats get to eat then as well.

Easier win for bats than Stalewarriors was. Shameful display domg.

>>149082473
MA Ulm really needs the diversity

Not having a rainbow is more of a meme strategy than a rainbow.

>>149083084
I do get what you're saying, but my idea of how a rainbow should be used is that you're looking to use the paths/crosspaths that it has to augment your existing magic.

That is, you take higher nature on your pretender, because you can site search with N1 indies. You take higher air and astral on your pretender, because you can site search with your A/S random smiths. Your pretender lets you actually use those air and astral gems for things other than crystal matrices and quills, but they don't need to trudge through every province to do that. I want my pretender to actually be making things or at the very least researching for those 20 turns, rather than doing nothing but building up my gem income a bit higher.

Because blood stones are so unambiguously good, I was hoping to have my pretender be more blood focused, since I can afford the paths fairy

>>149083896
since I can afford the paths fairly easily*

How bad are androleths?

They cost 40g, but are size2 Olms with 2 attacks, one of them being AP.

>>149084081
They're mindblasters. If you use them in melee, you're doing it wrong. They're way too expensive to be used for that.

>>149084378
but what i mean is that you get a size2 unit with 2 attacks after the ammunition runs out. (yeah, it's 10 but it still runs out), which is a lot better than olms for a cheaper cost

>>149083896
Rainbows are primarily for sitesearching. Crosspath diversity comes after you have gathered up your gem income, because what's the point of building a pretender around casting spells that you don't have the gems for?

You want at least level 2 searching or you're not going to get good results, which is half the point of a rainbow on MA Ulm.

>>149084378
>>149084081
Also, they're 50 gold, not 40.

>>149084498
I guess, sure. They're way too expensive to use that way, though. If you send them into melee, some of them die, and losing a 50 gold unit (who actually have a rest cost that makes them much harder to mass than illithids) instead of a 9 gold slave or a 5 gold lobo is a big deal.

>>149084619
>not playing in Summod

>>149084529
>You want at least level 2 searching or you're not going to get good results, which is half the point of a rainbow on MA Ulm.
The jump from level 2 to 3 gets you significantly more sites than the jump from 1 to 2 in every path except for nature.

>>149084657
Wait, summod buffed androleths? Why? New R'lyeh hasn't even been properly played, and they already got sweeping buffs.

>>149084529
>Rainbows are primarily for sitesearching
You are literally backloading your power by 2 turns per province. A dormant site searching pretender is literally not making anything until turn 40ish, at which point the way that the game is going is likely already decided.

i don't wanna die

>>149085046
I think the idea is that, with Ulm at least, your troops and mages are good enough that you can afford to delay your god actually doing anything until then. As long as your national stuff is good enough to let you keep pace with other nations, your god steps in only at that point (turn 40ish seems about right) and then starts helping your nation do other things.

I'm not actually an expert or anything, though, that's just sorta been my understanding for what the rainbow on Ulm actually does.

>>149087171
That seems really bad to me. Unless you're on an enormous map, an Ulm that managed to get bigger, build more forts and mages, and win an early war against another nation more decisively should be in a better position to snowball their advantage into an actual win than an Ulm with 50 more gems.

>>149064626
BUFFED FORESTERS STEALTHILY RAIDING, FUCK LONGBOWS FUCK KNIGHTS YOU GOT AN AXE IN ONE HAND AND A DAGGER IN THE OTHER THE FUCK ELSE YOU WANT

LOGRIAN WISE MEN FOR DAYS, YOU ONLY NEED A FEW N3 CASTERS BUT YOU CAN NEVER HAVE TOO MANY E2 MAGES SPAMMING DESTRUCTION

GET A N/D PRETENDER SO YOU CAN GET LAMIA QUEENS WITH ALL YOUR SHITTY N GEMS

But yeah you're basically like a shitty cross between Pangaea and Eriu. Arrow buffs aren't worth investing in long term, protection buffs or storm will kill your arrows.

You can research like mad with Monks and Wise Men, the issue being that you have no paths to cast anything. Your lategame is shit, so you better start warring ASAP and snowball into a throne rush. Man can be pretty brutal in early wars, but the longer you wait the shittier things will get for you.

I go for a dormant Monolith with 5 nature, 2 death, some astral and earth. It can cast mother oak or telefrag on unprepared midgame armies with Soul Vortex(use extra D gems). A single skelespammer might kill it though, use wisely.

>>149087393
I love the logrian wise man. I just picture a cheeky cunt from the countryside.

>>149070234
It will be aimed so the 25 poison resist spiders-without-hats take some damage but not much.
>>149070363
It's a poisoncloudish thing, I think.
>>149075959
Not that, damage source will be a persistant area over the spawning sacred, so B9 won't cause explosions.
>>149076184
Not UW, for that reason, well, it could be but I choose it not to.

>>149089718
>>149075959
Poison damage never triggers blood vengeance or damage reversal anyways

>>149084779
Are you concerned that 40 gold androleths are too powerful?

Agartha and Yomi, git fucking rekt.

>>149084779
Not to mention that like all the level 3 sites give interesting recruitables.

>>149091472

In a vacuum? No. I think that androleths could cost anywhere from 30 to 75 gold without significantly changing how they're used, since their recruitment is limited by resources and the fact that you only buy them when you want mindblasters rather than purely mages and chaff (R'lyeh has no trouble spending all of its gold, after all).

In that relatively common situation, you're giving R'lyeh another 10 gold / androleth. Reducing androleth's price would do essentially the same thing as reducing R'lyeh's mage costs; it's just saying "R'lyeh has more gold to work with now." In the context of all of the other changes made to them, I don't know if it's a buff they need.

Maybe it is, but I don't agree with making that change unless you already saw that they needed it after seeing them with easier air-breathing access on their fish, semi-amphibious polypal spawn, and the new units that they got in the vanilla update, offset by the fact that it's easier for landnations to go underwater, etc etc.

Basically, R'lyeh has already been drastically changed in how they play, almost all of which has been for the better. When you don't know how strong they really are now, you shouldn't be putting in gold cost tweaks on units when the changes don't actually affect when they'll be used.

>>149095404
Semi-amphibious polypal spawn has been only recently introduced, overall the problem is in expansion getting a foot onto land, and compared to making another uw fort is less worth it.

There's been some testing of R'lyeh, Der_gotter and PriceOfSmokedFreedom will help add to this, and walking back changes as necessary will happen if they are found to be too much.

We need a sub for Ys. If you ever wanted to try them in a scrub-rich environment, leave me your e-mail.

>>149096147
[email protected]

>>149096120
The problem is that the change is very hard to feel because of the fact that it doesn't change how androdai are used and because there are so many factors that affect how the games go. They won't suddenly be OP with the price change, and they also won't be noticeably weaker without it. I like the idea of tweaking things to make nations slightly better or worse, but you shouldn't be making those number tweaks in the wake of larger changes until you've seen how they pan out.

>>149042051
>>149041859
Can someone link me to where I can dl this awesome earth-like map?

>>149096652
>>149095404

Thank you for your concern, but this isn't a recent change, and sure as shit didn't follow the other ea ryleh buffs I implemented.

It was one of the first changes I made to EA Rlyeh, and I made it, along with other changes, in version 0.4, about 4+ months ago. It accompanied the MA Ermor and EA Therodos changes.

It's now been in the game for 4+ months, and I've just recently added the semi-amphibious polypal spawn, since it's clear ryleh still has a "getting on land" and "using spawn for literally anything" problem.

>>149099443
>R'lyeh changes are 4 months old
Jesus, time flies.

For people who were asking for a summod game, dom4mods has one booting up:

http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=3030

>>149100924
Were people asking for that? I wouldn't mind hosting one here if there was enough interest.

>>149102827
Please do. LA?

>>149102896
Ok.

Game's going up in a few minutes. Just need to put the latest summod on llamaserver and so on

>>149103556
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=WhenYouStaleIRL
Game is up

>>149103960
DO NOT JOIN THIS GAME

IT WAS MADE BY ILLUMINATI TO CATCH UNSUSPECTING PLAYERS

IF YOU JOIN THIS GAME WILL BE YOUR LAST

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>>149103960
>>149104121
The map looks kind of neat though.

>>149104174
DO NOT LET THEM TEMPT YOU

>>149104668
I don't understand, whats the problem with it?

>>149103960
>Nations Joined So Far: Unexpected Nation
What does that mean?

>>149105017
lemuria

>>149104716
I prefer large islands to big lakes. It's a little easier to fort the edges of an island than a lake for Marignon.

>>149105017
It means spoopy ghosts have entered the battlefield.
Be afraid of the spoop.

>>149105017
It means some faggot picked Lemuria as the first fucking pick.

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>>149105452
At least somebody picked 'Fuck Ghosts: The Nation' as the second.

Now we just need Atlantis and we can call this a party

>>149105452
>a bloo bloo bloo I have to do more than just mass infantry to win the game

>>149105804
... boner

>>149105160
This map is really well balanced for sailing, though. Like, there's a clear and noticeable advantage to being able to sail, but not a stupid one like you see on several maps.

>>149103960
>Roleplay is encouraged. For instance, you can pretend to not be a hate filled autist for the duration of the game.
I like this admin already.

>>149107731
>Not "You can pretend to not be a staler and DO YOUR TURNS"

>>149107852
I like that. I'm using it. It's mine now. You will not be credited.

>>149107968
T'ien Ch'i here, I will cover the world is horses if I dontfuckitupbecauseImnotexperiencedohgod.

>>149108278
IN HORSES, IN

>>149108473
Promising start.

>>149103960
Do you know if in this summod Goetic masters have master ritualist?

>>149109331
>Removed LA Marignon master ritualist ability, as it was bugged.

>>149109652
And I pointed out that bug... At least I got to enjoy it once.

>>149109331
>>149109652
>>149109780
What was the bug about?

>>149109957
You could cast in battle as if your level was one level higher, so in effect master ritualist just means you don't forge as the next level.

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This is one of the more confusing 4x games I've played, and I've played many of them

>>149110616
It's not a 4X game. You've been confused even before you started playing.

>>149110616
Is that because it's not a 4x game?

>>149110754

Why does the maker say it's a 4x then?

http://www.illwinter.com/dom4/

>>149110069
>>149109957
>>149109780
>>149109652
>>149109331
Fixed ;)
https://github.com/sum1won/summod/pull/83

>>149110841
Illfraud knows fuck all about their game. You can't play it without mods. It's like Bethesda only worse.

>>149110975
>Memes
I know they nerfed Therodos and Machaka, but please, they're not Bethesda tier by any means.

>>149111308
You didn't see their code. They're even worse.

>>149111381
I don't, I've meant to properly look at it but haven't dived deep enough yet.

>>149111460
Don't look to deep. You will only see your reflection and Illuminati's faces.

How do I suck a cock?

>>149112053
I'm sure answer is in the manual somewhere.

>>149069359
What were the overall results? Is Ermor's campaigning finished for now? Is Nazca wounded? Is the world doomed to skelespam?

Is there a most used balance mod? I've played through a few singleplayer games and won some, but I'm not versed enough in what the fuck is going on to know what could be more balanced.

>>149069359
Magic Duel is fucking retarded.

>>149112053
Pretty sure Cirno's guide has a page about that.

>>149111308
At least Bethesda would know how morale mechanics work.

>>149113118

Is someone cutting onions in here? This kind of savage interaction is heartbreaking. I'm crying. I'm literally crying

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>>149112716
I bet you've never been in a situation where its viable. Did you get your S1 pretender smoked one time?

>>149105804
What hell of a spell is that.

>>149116125
Dust to Dust, high level Banishment, and Wither Bones.

Does everyone here use mods?

>>149116342
No, fags generally don't.

>>149116470
Cirno plays with mods.

>>149117053

If you don't shut the fuck I'll suck your dick

>>149117237
You just TRY to suck my dick, and I'll beat you off

>>149117437

What a fag. I'll hold you down and suck you off bitch. I'll fight you

>>149117237
>>149117437
>>149117653
Hey buddies, I think you got the wrong general, /gsg/s 2 pages down

>>149104174
>Cave Network

Oh hot diggity damn you know my weakness. I'll just send in a pretender now before the Illuminati get m-

>>149002048
>Wearing a bedsheet like she's scared Allah will strike her down if she doesn't
>Best

TheNewCool is approaching turn 100, and there have been no stales in the last 10 turns.

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Dammit people we're at page 9

Hey Is there somewhere I can download the .6 version of summod? I have .64

>>149124627
nvm I found it.

Atlantis, you okay? I didn't know you went AI just as I was just getting into it. Real life issues? Regardless of how fierce of enemies we may have been in the game and meta, I hope everything is going well for you irl.

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>>149127886
I...

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>>149127886
>>149127997
I'm so sorry
Xilbobo the anti-bat dragon strikes again. I was chosen to be the hero that /domg/ needs, but doesn't deserve.

>>149128117
HE ACTUALLY DID IT

THE ABSOLUTE

MADMAN

>A message has arrived from X!
>"Let's be friends!"
>A message has arrived from Y!
>"i'll fuck u up m8 swear on me mum"
>A message has arrived from Z!
>memes

DG everyone.

>>149128117
>>149127997
>>149127886

Congrats on wasting more than half of your pretenders points of a 100% fine, capable of winning, arguably top 3 EA nation to gimp both yourself and your neighbour.
You may have stopped him but you have also stopped yourself. crappy scales and just W9 bless won't bring you that far in this memegame.

i am actually not even bat, i just admire your stupidity

>>149130201
Those crappy scales are xibalbats. A W9 awake dragon is shockingly affordable.

Unless he took Dom9, in which case his scales are cancer too.

Given that Xibalbat has trash scales, actually, he might have been going for a similarly rush oriented strategy. That might be a big-bless Asshole Batman that was looking to cheese Mictlan just as hard with assassination + domkill on his cap.

>>149112696
70% of our games are starting to use this https://github.com/sum1won/summod

which is made by one guy of our community.

anothe, older and somewhat disliked, balance mod would be /domg/ balance mod, aka Chronemod.

in single player AInorec mod is a must; it limits how much the AI will recruit the worst shittiest indie troops.

Almost all games run a version of Worthy heroes, just google it and grab the most recent one. it does very little however, it just adds some heroes.

I suggest you to move to multiplayer ASAP.

>>149128117
>no order, no growth

what is this xibalba even trying to do, jesus fucking christ. i understand super bless to counter rush, but at least get one goddamn gold/bloodhunting scale.

>>149130325
> A W9 awake dragon is shockingly affordable
it's only 1 or 2 scales, even after heat scales.
i guess it's decent since you can dump production, but i wouldn't call that great for a game that calls high dominion, dual bless and high growth scales.

>>149130838
Given that you're playing a nation vulnerable to being rushed, being able to crush another nation Turn 2 like Mictlan is doing here can easily be worth the trade off. For all he knew, the alternative may well have been his dying under similar circumstances.

>>149130656

>bunch of people last thread talking about destroying you asap
>he should have taken scales for the late game!

Come on, mate.

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>>149128223
I made this for you

>>149130201
The scales aren't even mine m8. Don't go full autismo on me,

>>149131240
I'm not nick, but that's a good picture.

>>149131240

Your dragon is going to die, mate.

>>149131078
What is your build, btw? Tribless? Awake duobless?

>>149131341
I SINCERELY hoped that you took a dom 9/10 stealth pretender and are dom-killing Mictlan this turn, but judging by the 1 dom on your cap, I fear that this isn't the case.

>>149131341
I figured.

>>149131325
>>149131240
Fuck I messed up the name. I told you I was drunk that night when you told me.

>Finally got around to learning MA Ermor
Thanks
This is fucking hilarious.

>>149131518
>learning

There's very little to learn, honestly.

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>>149131612
I have no idea who told you. I was saying that I (the person who called you a madman in-thread) am not Nick. I'm also not the one that suggested you do that.

>>149131675
Oh, I see. Well, you inspired me, thanks.

>>149131551
You underestimate how dumb I am sometimes.

i need to send fucking gold to someone and the game doesn't let me: all nations are grayed out when i try to send something, even for gems.

i dont' even understand why, i sent gold in that game before.

>>149130925
Considering what happened to mictlan on this map last time, seeing turn 7 will be an improvement

>>149131612

Why are you so happy, mate? Didn't I tell you your dragon was going to die and the only thing it will have done is killed my cap PD, right?

I still offer you an olive branch and the alliance as per the message, just move your dragon away from my cap this turn before my troops hit it and everything I said in the message I will uphold.

>>149134121
>he thinks there's only one pretender on his cap atm.

>>149134929

And where exactly would another one materialize from?

>>149135453

Wow how dense, it could fly over the ports? The map is very well connected overall and Xibalba is within strike range of 3-4 nations right off the BAT hehe

>>149136737

Well, let us entertain the thought for the sake of bumping this thread if nothing else. First of all, for it to be there this turn, as in actually be there and not have a move order targeted there then it must be stealthed. If that is the case, then it doesn't matter to the battle which will occur. If it has a move order there and isn't stealthed or if it's there and unstealths, then it risks running into the dragon itself in which case, all the more power to him, mate.

Aside from all of that, I really don't see why anyone else would bother. Mictlan is my neighbor and there's a history of him dying to Xib on this map, so I can see why he would do what he did. Why would anyone else create a pretender specifically for killing me and thus gimp themselves in the long run, when they know that I am a scrub with no scales and with a nerfed Xib (summod)? It just doesn't make any logical sense. This other person wielding your hypothetical pretender would have to have an irrational hate towards me to care enough to do all that.

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Play your turns

Yo so I haven't played Dom4 since around middle of last year or so, have there been any major changes I should know about?

>>149138642
MA has a new nation: Ys.

>>149137328

Because when I was asked to join this game I was also asked to join in the gang bang on Xibalba? It was made pre game and certain players agreed to take certain pretenders that can reach Xibalba and kill it.

Not sure if it was executed ofc but seems like it will be.

>>149139889

Well, if that's the case, then I hope you're ready to lose your pretender as well, friend ;^)

>>149140079

I am not in the game but there isnt much that Xibalba can do to defend this early, their sacreds dont really have the power to punch thru a decently protected combat pretender. Even with a solid bless.

You better have an awake yourself.

>>149140392
What if they're tribless, including W9B9?

Just as a heads up to avoid any accidents. C'tis I'm moving my army onto the mainland via (130). It's within my capcircle if that wasn't clear from the map.

>>149140558

Theyre bats with 9 str and a good weapon but their hp is very low.

Lets take this blue dragon shall we. It has 2 attacks with 15 att that instantly kill whatever they hit, one aoe1 attack with 15 att that clears a square of bats and one 4 aoe frost attack that also should clear the squares it hits. And the dragon gets the first attack now since its sieging so turn one, pre bless, it could clear 5 squares of bat sacreds.

Then the bats can retaliate, blessed. Their attack is around 17 dmg vs 18 dragon prot so it barely does anything even with B9. F9 wont help much either because of 18 prot of the dragon. If the dragon also has awe the number of attacks hitting is also low due to low bat morale.

Odds arent in favor really. And non sacred bats are obviously awful.

>>149140686
The breath is a ranged attack so it doesn't use it the same turn it uses the other attacks.

>>149140686
do fatigue critical hits do anything against him( he has high prot but he is unarmored)?

>>149141132
Yes.

Which nation is best for someone completely new at this shit?

>>149140686
>non sacred bats are obviously awful

Let's do away with this forum defense meme. Their worst troops, at 7 gold and 1 resource, do die in one hit with no protection and 7 hp - but they've got 11 defense, 11 attack, and a length 4 weapon. Plus above-average MR of 11 and morale of 9, which is bad but not awful.

Let's compare that to Bandar Log's Makarta. 2 less gold, 5 resource 1 gold, and for that we get a unit with a 1 length weapon, 2 less points of strength, size one, four less points of magic resistance, one less point of attack, two less points of morale, two less points of HP and three more points of defense. While the Xibalban can reliably kill something with their piercing weapon doing around 11 damage, the Makarta can't kill anything ever with a blunt weapon doing 7.

Or we could compare it to Machaka's pygmy, priced at the same as the Makarta (two less resources than the Zotz). Four hitpoints, MR 10, morale 6, strength 5, attack/defense 7/7, and precision 10 with an 8 ammunition range 20 6 damage bow.

Compared to things of similar price, their worst troops are much, much better.

nerf it

>>149140686
You're overestimating the breath and attacks a bit.

For the breath and melee attacks the bats only need to roll a couple points higher on the damage check to live through them (unless the 10% chance of head hit occurs).

For the tail sweep, it's 20 damage against 16 protection. Xibalban sacreds should have a good chance of surviving two.

I still think the dragon would win the fight overall (Xibalba won't have many sacreds yet), but the majority of his sacreds should live through the first round.

>>149140854
I thought it had the same tag as drakes, letting it be used in melee?

>>149141132
Yes. Not great chances of that early in the fight and dragon gains fatigue quite slowly.

>>149141291
EA Fomoria. They can do deploy many different tactics and are good with a wide number of different pretenders.

>>149141337
Whoops, that should be 5 gold 1 resource for the Makarta and Pygmy, not 5 resource 1 gold. I'm a bit tired.

>>149141337
>Let's compare bats to units that are objectively shit and are never used except as trash or flaming arrow fodder
>Oh look, these units which are considered good are better than trash!
true op plz nerf

Bat lancers ARE efficient, but you are using a retarded comparison that doesn't show your point. You need to compare their cost to things like exp parties or raiding units (steel maidens, maybe?) or at the very least against units which are actually used as mainline troops.

>>149141291
If you're playing against the AI you won't have to worry about losing really. Any nation that doesn't really on complex magic should be good for easing you into the mechanics.

Pretty sure the OP used to include a bit about easy starting nations. Some are:

>Early Age
Ermor - they're Rome. Everyone has javelins and a big shield with a sword. Just by producing big stacks of infantry you can beat an AI in a 1v1 game and get some confidence with the basic mechanics. That's the idea behind playing the AI.

Tir Na Nog - Irish elves who can cheese enemy armies to death by being ethereal (ghost-like in form making them very hard to harm).

>Middle Age
Ulm - burly stupid German men who dislike magic and put all of their faith in superior metal-forging.

Marignon - Inquisitorial state that has hardy infantry, spammable crossbows and lots of fun and easy to use fire magic.

>Late Age
Man - Their crossbow + sword&shield wielding heavy infantry is strong as hell and that's all you should need to beat the AI. Their magic game is kind of weak but could get you to start thinking creatively.

Also most giant factions aren't too hard.

>>149141337
Hell, they even beat units that are priced above them significantly. Look at the Pelagian Militia, 8 gold and 1 resource, which is 1 more gold than the Zotz or generic warriors. For five more points of HP and one point of protection (not enough to stop a Zotz from one-hit-killing them often), they get a length 1, damage 1 weapon that makes them do less damage than the Zotz despite having five extra points of strength, as well as having two less points of defense and three less points of attack. Not even mentioning the fact that the Zotz have stealth and mapmove three inherent. It's ridiculous.

>>149141546
The point is that you can mass an enormous amount of these units, more than you can mass of normal militia or even the absolutely cheapest of ANYTHING except for stuff like Makartas and Pygmys, and they're fucking good. Why would I compare them to steel maidens when steel maidens cost 14 gold and 13 resources? For that gold cost I can buy two Zotz, and for that resource cost I can buy thirteen. If we meet in the middle and say I've got seven Zotz for every steel maiden, I'll annihilate them every time, easy.

>>149141665
Glamour isn't Ethereal, scrub.

>>149141724
>Why would I compare them to steel maidens
because none of the units that you are choosing to compare them to are used period.

Again, I'm not arguing that zots aren't amazingly efficient. I've used them. They are. I'm saying that your arguments are awful and don't do a good job of showcasing this.
>49 gold vs 14 gold
>meet in the middle
Okay lad.

>>149141814

Yea, its mirror image.

>>149141864
Gold versus resource cost you retard. The comparison is that they are much, much better than units of similar pricing, because if a unit costs about the same it should function about the same. I'm not sure why you are having so much difficulty grasping that.

>>149141934
If you compare Yomi's units on the basis of their res cost alone, they look good too.

More importantly, though, you don't compare units to crap that never gets used when trying to show that it's strong. If you genuinely don't understand why your comparisons are bad after having it pointed out for you, I'm not going to bother. I know that zots are too good, but you're making an awful case for that by flailing around and acting retarded while arguing for it.

>>149141814
same thing more or less, I don't play elves