/xsfg/ - XSEED and Friends General, formerly /rfhmg/

I lost my motivation to play anything but Destiny.

Pls convince me to play an XSEED game.

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>You'll never hear Vishnal screaming "SDF! SDF! SDF!" as he's whirlwinding his way through a 50-meter-thick mob of bugs
>Never see Forte going mano-e-mano with a giant fucking robot, literally cutting it down to size foot by foot
>Never see Dolce blowing dropships out of the sky with giant fucking fireballs and sucking hordes of enemies into dark magic singularities while Pico is scrabbling all over not-Godzilla and biting the shit out of it

A EDFxRF4 crossover'd be stupid as shit but that wouldn't make it any less fun.

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Happy 4th anniversary RF4

Why does everything have to drop everything when Neil enters or leaves the scene?

At least I triggered an Iroha event.

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>>148954382
>Earth Defense Force 4.1 has launched on Steam and is on sale for $35 until July 25th

And fuck it, bought and installed.

>>148967684
>Boot up and hear that wonderful menu input confirmation sound from EDF 2017

Oh god my heart, it's really a proper EDF game unlike Insect Armageddon.

>>148961950
What are their names again?>>148958530

>>148968332
>2nd >> thing

Stupid touchscreen.

>>148968332
Siluka and Iluka, respectively.

Not a fan of the winter theme in ToT. Fall was much better.

Fall usually has the bet theme in these games too.

>>148970826
Someone should extract and dump the music files in Mega for all to share.

>>148968829
So Siluka = pink, Iluka = blue?

>>148973041
Damn, I meant other way around: Siluka = blue, Iluka = pink?

>>148972454
I'm sure someone has already. You'd just have to search for it.

Game rips aren't going to sound great though and most of the music is unmemorable. So far the contest theme and the special flower event themes are the only ones that have been sort of good.

>>148976102
Dolce looks really sexy there.

>>148977657
She sure does...

>>148976102
Dolce is a sult.

>>148977969
Dolce is a pure and wholesome woman!

>>148978425
if that allows you to sleep in the nights

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>>148978830

>>148978425
>>148977657 here. She's pure.

Really though, when it comes to matters of romace, does Dolce drop a lot of pasta?

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While there's no bookworms in 3V, at least there's a teacher. I guess my top favorite waifus now are Siluka or Kasumi.

>>148981312
>romace

Stupid typos.

>two bachelorettes are copy-pastes of each other
>the flower girl is boring
>the spirit bachelorette doesn't even live with you

Way to go, Marvelous.

>>148983069
It's pretty clear from where's the demand of these games, anon.

meido is the way to go.

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>>148983863
You can't forget the qt teacher.

>>148986884
>trying to court Kasumi
>her next event apparently requires a bathhouse to be built in town

I've hit a wall and I'm a long ways away from getting that thing built.

>>148981312
She does do so quite often though not as much as Forte.

>>148991181
Forte confirmed for purest.

Is Seibah just as pastariffic in the Fate series?

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>>148983069
>flower girl is boring
Come say that to my face you homo. Lisette a CUTEST and MOST PURE.

>>148998930
Lisette was the first waifu I saw in 3V stuff. What's she like though? Based on her appearance, I guess she's like Shara of RF3, but not crazy and a little more shy.

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>page 10

>>148998930
Your flower-munching """"""""""waifu"""""""""" has nothing noteworthy to mention about.

>>148954382
>Story of Seasons: Trio of Towns (Cherished Friends of Three Villages) (3DS 2017)

Probably 2018 in yurop. How long was the delay between NA and EU for SoS?

>>149006090
That one took a while. Far longer than it should have really.

I think it was over a year.

>>149006090
9 months.

Then we have 13 months between JP and NA.

Let's estimate April 2018 for EU.

Stupid question but can someone tell me how to play a pirated EDF game in multiplayer?

>>149006706
>Then we have 13 months between JP and NA.

Don't you mean between JP and EU?

>>149009271
>JP and EU

I meant NA and EU.

>>149000605
I still have no idea desu, never was able to find that fucking script dump

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Something new in 3V that I think is pretty neat is being able to make fertilizer water.
Works the same as normal fertilizer, but with the convenience of using your watering can at the same time.
You use a special maker and wait for it to be done just like making any other product. It also doubles as a storage tank, so you can hold up to three different types of fertilizer water at the same time.

The only catch is that you're going to want to keep two watering cans on you when you do farm work. One with regular water and one with the fertilizer water of your choice.
Maybe even more if you want a can for each type of fertilizer.

You can also paint/dye your tools in this game and you can see the color of water when you select it, so you won't get confused easily.

Has anyone made a chart of all the 3V character's expressions, like with SoS?

>>149014030
There was one floating around. Let me see if I can find it on fogu.

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>>149014886
For some reason these last 2 charts are lower res.

>>149014195
>>149014554
>>149014710
>>149014886
>>149015085
Cool, thanks!

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>>149015085
Last one, I don't think Inari has a troubled portrait.

>>149014554
>>149014710
>>149014886
>>149015085
>>149015283
>children don't get different clothes based on where your spouse came from
some of these lulucoco and tsuyukasa children are vomit inducing

Can I have at least both children by now?

>>149017391
That was the last game. Not this time.

>>149017668
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT MARVELOUS.

>>149017265
Yeah, I'm not really liking the kid's design this time.

>>149017668
Also, I don't know if this is true, but I heard that you don't get to choose your kid's gender in this game, unlike most of the recent games. This time it's completely random if you get a son or a daughter.

>Be playin' EDF PC and decide to check CPU temps on a lark after finishing
>70*C on all 4 cores

Jesus, I mean it's mostly smooth as silk and all but holy hell they need to do some optimizing or something, The Phantom Pain barely hits 55* in comparison.

>>149017668
WHAT

Are you fucking serious, they actually removed the option for twins? God fucking damn it stupid shit like this is why I stopped playing HM in the first place and 3V seems hellbent on killing my interest in finally coming back.

>>149018013
I like the little duck suit the kid has as a baby.

>something about Clorica snoozing

I wonder how quickly counting sheep would make Clorica fall asleep?

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>>149023253
Are sheepgirls affected by sheep counting?

>>149027521
If not, she could count plain humans.

Being an Air Raider in planet space is suffering.

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>Kasumi always smiling when I talk to her
>she now also gives me homemade food presents

My heart can't take it.

>>149018426
Most things about 3V seem pretty good so far though.

>>149018426
If you haven't played the last HMs why do you even complaint, SoS was incredibly solid and 3V looks like it has a lot of improvements in town events and socializing.

>>149036579
I'm certainly enjoying it.

>>149036830
I've been wanting to play it, does it have furigana?

>>149018426
I think I recognize you, you're that guy that was saying that RF4 is better than HM, and that called portable entries "mobile".

3V is actually looking really good, the only real disappointment is fox waifu not being able to have kids.

I've noticed that 2D girls satisfy all my emotional needs, the only real reason I want a girlfriend is to have sex.

I need help anons, I may have to leave you to keep my sanity.

>>149036925
It does not. My moon is poor, but it hasn't stopped me from enjoying it.

>>149037168
My moon is probably worse, I can read kana but I only know like 30 kanji give or take.

I guess I'll try it, I can probably play the game just fine with kana, it'll be a shame not being able to read the dialogues though, maybe I'll use a dictionary.

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>>149037413
Thankfully the community has people that actually do work for us EOPs and there's also a japanese wiki with all the info if you need it. Fogu has been pretty helpful with this stuff too.

http://friendsof3villages.tumblr.com/post/146743010827/fertilizer-and-livestock-treats

She mostly posts about the character she married, but posts like the one I linked are pretty damn useful.

http://wikiwiki.jp/boku3sato/?FrontPage

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>>149037069

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Last one from me.

>>149031921
Cute

there appears to be a loli ventuswill in rf4 that covers the fanart thing in the trophy room
do I get the option to fuck that ventuswill later in the game

>>149049616
>do I get the option to fuck that ventuswill later in the game

_______no______________

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>>149049679

ANB is so excrutiatingly slow wtf.

>>149049679
okay im over it
time to woo sleepy butler

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Realky atrocious.

>>149009271
9 months. NA release was 31st March. EU was 31st December.

>>149015283
>No troubled expression for inari not even a marriage photo

Still holding out for DLC, hopefully

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>>149050467

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Why the insistence on top-down in a lot of HM/RF games? Why not an isometric perspective?

>page 10

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>>149057813
>page 10 again

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>Finally 100% Phantom Pain, time to move on
>Thinking of either Dragon Quest: Taloon's Great Adventure or HM: FoMT since I never got around to it
>Choose HM, but the DL link on my go-to rom site's broken

It's like the universe itself is repelling me from the series at this point. Oh well, been meaning to do DQ:TGA for almost a decade now.

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I should draw more of these. Oh well, maybe later.

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What do you guys usually name your farms?

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>>149054180
>confirm the origin of fire
>no harvest moon with monster girl waifus and ds combat

>>149068317
Been running with Funny farm since the HM 64 days.

>>149068317
nice scene

I need a dance partner.

Blue or Pink twin?

Playing RF4.

I need more lumber.

>>149077370
Pink.

>>149079876
Wait for Arthur to sell it.

>>149080032
How long will that take?

I need the Chem set ASAP.

>>149080641
He sells whenever he's at his office and his inventory changes when you reset the game. You can just reset thee game.

If he's not there you can just invite him to your party and walk him back there.

>>149085730
Sleeping next to a ghost must be interesting.

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>>149086267
Must be quite cold to sleep next to her.

>>149087891
I've heard that ghosts cause the temperature to drop. I wonder why that is. Absorbing energy?

Also, I see Forte is waiting there for a spaghettiriffic date.

>pirate RF4 undub
>clorica greets me in the morning
>hnggggg.zip

She will be my main squeeze.

Maybe until Dolce's in the picture

>>149088315
Why not knightfu?

>>149088315
I honestly couldn't stand Clorica's japanese voice, it sounds like a little girl on helium.

>>149089237
Really? I guess the sleepy warm cozy zzz-inducing dub voice is better.

>>149088315
What does Dolce's Japanese voice sound like?

>>149093093
I found a video of her Japanese confession event, although she doesn't talk much in it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=939tOy9SvFQ

Here are the ones for the other girls:
Margaret: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewwJehmmHMU
Forte: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF93MeTongU
Clorica: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtSyJSH0oIs
Xiao: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4wGhaGcPZ0
Amber: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDio7xmUrjU

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>>149094902
>High-pitched Dolce

That's not right. That's just not right. And poor Meg sounds duller than a sack of hammers. Xiao and Forte actually sound pretty decent, though, and it's especially neat to see how well they preserved Forte's butterflies-in-stomach audio through the dub, though it's a shame she doesn't do her total freakout one.

There's not really much to fairly judge Clorica on, and Amber - well, we've made all those gesticulations countless times already, no need to repeat them.

>>149097853
That user also posted Forte and Clorica's Japanese proposal and marriage scenes, but not the other girls.

Forte: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tIuNWE8-P4
Clorica: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_EdbnSYlTs

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>>149094902
>>149098416
I much prefer Forte's original voice. One of these days I'll do an undub playthrough and marry her again.

Also, I'll probably hang out with Dylas more often in the undub.

>>149094902
Lest sounds more manly than I expected.

>>149098416
Forte has the best voice of the JP voices, I think.

>>149101932
translation please.

>>149102431
He also sounds like the most stereotypical anime/RPG protagonist ever, all he needs is black hair and a bit more edge to it and he'd match that pic from last thread.

>>149104219
Kind of like Darling/Boss/Master/etc from Monster Musume?

>>149105714
Yes

>>149097853
I've played the undub and japanese Dolce isn't high pitched at all, not even in that video.

The japanese voices are great, honestly I can't tolerate most of the american voices.

>>149111871
Who's the worst dub voice to you?

Does RF4 ever go on sale on the nintendo eshop?

>>149054742
Imagine if RF/HM was a side-scroller.

>>149112934
I've only seen it happen like once.

>>149112905
Dylas, it doesn't feel like it fits him at all.

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>>149116903
Nurses a best.

In ANB, does dialog increase with heart level? It seems like Iroha says is asking me if I like smithing.

>>149119575
Dialogue always changes with affection level in HM games.

>>149118537
Is she a baker or waitress in HM64?

>>149119575
>seems like Iroha says

*seems like all Iroha says

>>149119708
Ellie is a baker

>>149119656
By expanding, or just changes the one line they say?

>>149120149
Generally a bit of both. You'll still keep the lines that are really generic like things about their work or family, but you can get more friendly and personal lines/greetings.

>>149119774
and a nurse, and a mayor's secretary and a weather girl and I think I'm missing one more job she had.

>>149120369
So Iroha will eventually say more stuff than just "Bagel, do you like smithing?" and she'll still say that? I guess that's OK.

>>149120927
What game was it that had her as Weather Girl?

>>149122963
Not that anon, but I think it was Tree of Tranquility or Animal Parade.

>>149126902
Shoe Pie wants to sleep in your room.

wat do

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The horse in SoS was a stalker.

In 3v/ToT the horse always fucks off somewhere and I have to find him if I leave him alone for too long. It's honestly annoying.

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Just got Kasumi's blue flower event

You walk into town and find a person peeping into the womens baths at the bathhouse. The guy runs off and you end up taking the blame.
Your character is trying to explain what happened, but they aren't listening to your excuses. Kasumi shows up because of the noise and ends up bailing you out of the situation.

You then help her catch the guy when he shows up again. She's not fucking around either since she uses her naginata on him.

You two then have a short chat, she gets flustered, and then walks away smiling. You continue to leave a good impression on her.

>>149132274
If she murdered him I'm definitely marrying her

>>149132274
Wow, I didn't know that SoS/HM could get so violent?

Is this peeping thing in the Japanese village? Do other villages hear of it? And do they forgive you since you said Kasumi bails you out?

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>>149135220
>Is this peeping thing in the Japanese village?
Yes

>Do other villages hear of it?
Not from what I've seen. It's very much a Kasumi only event.

>And do they forgive you since you said Kasumi bails you out?
The one's who confront you are just generic no name NPCs. It'll never be brought up again.

>>149135741
So what happens to the guy who got naginata'd?

>>149138186
Maybe he ran away from the village after being pointed at with such a weapon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zk9gJ4balM#t=16m11s

Ys VIII map theme confirmed for being a banger, XSEED save us

>>149149747
I think I like shiny Forte more than normal Forte.

>>149150412
Why's that?

>>149153165
She reminds me of autumn.

>>149150291
I am really digging that overture, plus it sounds like they're doing a nice sort of throwback thing with some of the tracks, can't wait for FMA Guy to finish processing the OST.

>>149103248
>This girl looks so girly (womanly? ladylike?)~ so cute~ how nice~

>Wow...
>?

>>149163856
Why is she wearing a towel in the bath?

>>149165426
Why aren't you?

>>149154847

Any idea where to find the OST once it's available?

>>149169461
Ha, I was about to say the dude who runs the Falcom Music Channel on Youtube is probably itching to get at it but he's already uploading stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCz7eke4JGlbtc11_6mmA7ew

As for retail and hi-fi sources I could only hazard a guess that the usual services like itunes and whatnot probably have it, maybe the JP Amazon as well. I'm sure Falcom's got their own store for distributing merch too and it's probably there.

>>149165426
It's a Japanese cultural thing.

>>149170443

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EO_vDe_zeg

oh my fucking goodness

>>149172451
Hot damn, JDK hit it clear out of the park again.

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qt

>>149169960
There's also the Safety Lance.

>>149177214
And elegant too

>>149169960
I like the description for butter.

>>149184264
>no waifu might even get close of Elise again in a looooooong time thanks to Marvelous.

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>>149186146
what do you mean?
tsundere/ojou-sama is the bread and butter of any waifu sim

>>149186302
but in HM when was the last time an Ojou was a elegible candidate?

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>>149186537

>>149186670
and that was how long ago?

Such a cute villian.

>>149186670
Which game is that from?

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>>149186976
quite some time ago
there's a lot of ojous in the RF series as well
>>149187528
Harvest Moon Hero of Leaf Valley

>>149187685
but I wasn't talking about RF since I knew that.
also such a shame not many people loves Electra.

>>149187685
>Harvest Moon Hero of Leaf Valley

Looks like a Wii game.

>>149190826
Remastered graphics gets you that.

Even though it's a PSP game ported from the PS2 one.

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Does Amber have more lines like this?

>>149191645
I forgot how goofy Amber can be.

After sleepovers, she wonders why people wear PJs.

(I haven't played RF4 in awhile)

>>149191645
Looks like Dolce's home. I see all the sewing stuff down there.

>>149186146
And that's alright, do you want the same archetypes every game?

I'm tired of people shitting on Marvelous so much lately.

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>>149193793
It is. It's raining outside and she stopped by Dolce's.

>>149192961
I haven't unlocked any sleepover event yet. I just hit the first Summer.

I'm importing Ys VIII tomorrow! Just decided this, so excited

>>149195134
Amber is lewd.

>>149195134
RF4 swimsuits are so lame.

I wonder why did they switch from unique swimsuits for everyone in every other game to different girls having the same, color swapped swimsuits depending on their body types. It feels cheap as fuck.

Xiao using some chinese themed swimsuit would've been much hotter.

Hey, Is EDF coop over internet?

I don't have any friends who want to buy in.

>>149203343
Yep, 4.1 has online multi.

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Hm, EDF general died ;_;

>>149204395
Do we have a 4chan group? I would love to join.

>>149204806
I'm looking through the old launch general right now to see if anything's there, if not we can probably set something up. Should probably think of doing a EDF pastebin too with stuff for PC/PS4 folks if interest spikes.

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5 hours it took me. Damn

>>149206241

I'd love to help if you can think of anything

>>149206241
>>149204806
The maker of this group comes here, lots of people in it do I think

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/EarthDefenseForth

Holy hell the medley on EDF site is catchy

http://www.d3p.co.jp/edf4.1_pc/#top

>>149204669
Is the EDF game on steam any good?
I'd love to play with /xsfg/

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Ys VIII OP for anyone who cares.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7WGCwnejXQ

Did EDF move here?

I guess they published the vita port?

Just starting on Air Raider, am I right in guessing limpet guns aren't worth a damn and it's better to double on artillery and work a howitzer from the back while they recharge?

>>149212480
It runs a bit hot on the CPU but besides that and just a bit of slowdown when stuff gets super-fucking crazy it runs well on a midrange system (i5 4750, GTX 4750). Haven't tried MP yet but apparently the one issue's that VOIP volume isn't changeable and low by default so discord or another VOIP program's preferred.

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>>149213664
Seems I don't even meet the minimum requirements for the game
maybe someday

>>149213664
If you're playing coop maybe.

Limpet guns are your only unlimited ammo weapons. I like the ones that sprays flachette on detonation.

>>149214318
Scratch that, I think turrets recharge by themselves too.

Why are there no dragons in this thread ever?

>>149200865
Not really. She's just quoting Lumie there.

>>149201668
Yeah, it seems like they rushed that part. There's even a comic about the swimsuit selection (I forget where).

Please tell me there's a way to descend with the Heli's in EDF 4.1. I want to rain napalm, but I float like a helium balloon.

>>149221821
Only choice seems to be to let go of ascend and let it come down naturally.

>Have functional and capable flight system with Wing Diver, and with helis the mass is now a 90/10 split between chopper and user, so you'd think they'd be even more responsive
>Rather than copying that to make helis more responsive than a brick on a balloon, they use the 10-year-old physics from 2017

At this point I'm chalking it up to a mix of tradition and some weird message about men being more powerful than machines, which is something the franchise has rolled with for a while especially in final missions.

>only general EDF is mentioned in
Is there any easy way to work on the Fencer? I can't figure out how to run him solo without getting facefucked by ants.

>>149223650
It's all about dash cancelling and crowd penetration, I don't know the specifics of it since I mainly play Ranger and Wing Diver but it's along the lines of raising a shield cancelling the dash animation so you can start it all over again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXEvlo_-o_c

>>149220331
I hope there's swimsuits or at least a Beach Day in 3V.

>>149206859
>>149204806
>>149206241
https://discord.gg/Zf4dKwC is the EDF discord that was linked in the EDF general earlier.

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'night thread

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It happened. I got her reverse confession.

>>149231000
Wait she proposes to you? Shit sign me the fuck up

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>>149231052
All the normal candidates can confess and propose to you if you want it that way, not just Kasumi. I'm not sure about Inari.
You could do the same thing in the last game.

You need a pendant this time around and if you have it in your bag when you talk to them they might ask to speak with you privately. The pendant is a symbol of going steady with someone.

It's pretty great. She lets all her spaghetti out and you have the option to accept or decline.
She didn't know that you have the pendant with you, so when she's waiting for your response your character shows it to her and she immediately understands. It's kind of sweet.

You can also choose a nickname for yourself just like the last game.

>>149231709
>>149231000
Looks romantic.

I want to see what a reverse confession from Siluka is like (she's the blue one, right)?

late night bump

late night bump 2: the bumpening

late night bump 3: where is everyone

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>>149242364
I'm here but I was too busy playing GTA V to bump

>>149242364
Asleep probably

A reminder to all of you that its been four years and that I no longer believe.

Just give up.

>>149248496
Holy shit it has been 4 years.

Yeah there's probably going to be no more RF. New SoS and maybe other projects like more poposomething, but no more RF is likely.

>>149249885
>>149248496
That probably has to do with Forbidden Magna being a flop.

Well, I wish another RF came out, but I didn't like the direction RF4 went (I still like the game though) so I'm glad they're taking longer, I'm fine with playing SoS until then.

>>149250449
>I didn't like the direction RF4 went

What direction do you mean? And how does FM flopping (I still like it though) ruin RF's chances?

>>149250576
>What direction do you mean?
Important events being randomly triggered (to make the town feel more alive, though it's cumbersome for the player), how cheap a lot of stuff feels compared to other games in the series (swimsuits being palette swaps, furniture placing works like shit and has no grid, some of the random "events" like characters taking out items for no reason don't make any sense (though this started in RF3), etc). Also while it's the first RF to do it (so I don't want to be harsh), having different genders was implemented poorly, with the only real gameplay difference being the marriage candidates (and some males still hit on Lest)

More importantly, the farming taking a backseat to everything else (not to mention ranching sucks). The game is great, but it feels more like an RPG with farming being another subsystem instead of the HM + RPG formula that it originally was supposed to be.

And arguably it has the most shallow bachelorettes since RF1. Venti should've been a marriage candidate since she blows every other character out of the water.

>And how does FM flopping (I still like it though) ruin RF's chances?
Because FM was the big bet of the RF team to make something new, and they failed (sales wise, I like the game too), so I wouldn't be surprised if the team was just assimilated by different Marvelous teams.

>>149251402
>characters taking out items for no reason

You mean the holding stuff randomly? I think it's cute. Although it is awkward when you confess to Forte and she's looking up at a medicinal herb she's holding.

The bachelorettes aren't as gimmicky as RF3, so I don't think they're that shallow.

RF4 kind of feels like the deliberate end of the series to me, what with all the cameos and amount of references to previous titles the other games don't have. That and the rushed parts like the glitches and small swimsuit selection.

>>149251868
>The bachelorettes aren't as gimmicky as RF3, so I don't think they're that shallow.
They're still pretty gimmicky though, and gimmicky doesn't mean shallow in any case.

RF3 had some shallow bachelorettes, but they're pretty much on RF4's general level of depth (aside from Colette, why does she even exist aside from being cute). But then it also had some that were decent characters like Raven, Dahlia or even Karin. It's not like RF4 didn't have a couple of stand outs, Dolce and Xiao are pretty good as characters. No idea about the males since I've never picked Frey, so I only know them as friends.

Huh, so Sora no Kiseki got an animation, I wonder if it lives up to the expectations set by other Falcom-based shows.

>>149265375
Is Amber ever not happy?

How do you plant trees?

RF4 btw.

>>149270017
There's a tree to the west of Obsidian Mansion where you can get tree seeds. Once you plant them in your field keep watering them as they grow. Once it's fully grown it won't need water anymore and it takes quite a while for it to fully grow.

>>149270208
I know that already.

Do you just plant them on cultivated land? Do you need to give space for the tree? Will it take a soil plot or can the tree share space with other crops/trees?

>>149270714
It'll take up one space on cultivated land and once it's fully grown you can't walk over it so keep it mind how you lay the trees out. You don't really need to give space for the tree unless you box one in a 3x3 plot of area.

>>149269994
When the topic of winter comes up.

>>149270714
They're basically single-tile impassable crops, so you plant them on the edges of your field or whatever and work them from there. You can plant other crops right next to them with no problem as long as you have room to actually get to the tree for harvesting.

>>149270871
>>149271047
Thanks gentlemen.

Gonna plant some apples for Clorie's Apple Pie.

>>149269994
>>149271000
>I can't take this... [shivering]

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>>149273662
Good.

>>149273662
I have 3 large trees, one for each fruit. 4 regular trees produce more produce than a large tree though, but I like how they look.

Does Emma ever get more lines in ANB? Aside from her "I'm eating" and greeting line, all she says is that "I'm happy you live in this town" line.

>>149274031
Cute

>>149275776
If you get to be friends with her.

That's the case for every townie you meet. Be friends -> more dialogue.

>>149280379
Ah good, I thought the dialog expansion only applied to bachelor(ette)s.

It's really cute how Bagel (my ANB/SoS characters) "talk."

>[waves arms around]
>[musical notes]

>>149281106
Is this your first HM?

Earlier RF entries were like that too.

>>149281623
I haven't really played much HM, so in a way, yeah. The farthest I've gotten into any HM/SoS game so far is the first summer. I guess RF spoiled me and made HM hard to enjoy, so I'm trying to enjoy HM games anyway.

>>149282546
It doesn't help when Marvelous attempts at extending game play mainly revolve around crippling it. The first spring in ANB was a good way to drive players off, and the farm renovations system in TTT has the dubious distinction of driving me to such a rage that I nearly threw my DS at a wall.

>>149284772
>It doesn't help when Marvelous attempts at extending game play mainly revolve around crippling it.
This is only in certain games though, I think it's unfair to generalize.

If you go back to Gamecube or Wii games they're just fine, same with handheld releases until the DS era in which even I dropped the series.

I came back with SoS and it's alright again, the tutorial is only one week long and can be finished in less than an hour really. The only crippling thing is that 2 of the countries are pretty much impossible to unlock, but they're kind of a bonus, like marrying the HG.

>>149282546
Well, HM are slower paced than RF and they have less stuff to do (though SoS got pretty crazy with all the fields you could have + all the things you could make). But they're pretty comfortable and usually the farming feels more satisfying than in RF, so if that's your thing, I hope you enjoy them.

>>149284772
>farm renovations system in TTT

I got to the point where the guy in the Not Japan town told me about irrigation. How bad is it?

>>149285690
Thanks, me too.

>>149285440
It not a generalization but something that’s been creping in over time starting with the DS games. It started with only a few minor things but grew. Consider farm upgrades. Until Sunshine Isle you could the farm upgrades whenever you wanted, money and materials permitting. Grand Bazaar limited that to once a week with the additional requirement that you had to improve the bazaar first. TTT then limited that to once a month and tied it to the main (laughable) story quest and the marriage option. Given that the both story and marriage quests override the farm expansion for that month, the game effectively controls how fast you expand where it was the opposite in the previous games. Thankfully they got rid of it but it shows the sorts of things they like to try.

>>149287315
It's kinda frustrating. There are about a dozen or so expansions for each farm but you can only get one a month, assuming the story events don't override it.

>>149287912
Anon, I said that I skipped all DS games, and I did for a reason.

It is generalization when you talk about it like it's the norm in the franchise. It's not, it's not present before the DS era (nor in most of the DS games really, as far as I know) nor in the 3DS games, which aside from long tutorials (which SoS only made 1 week long thankfully), they're pretty good.

Just finished Obsidian Dungeon.

Doug really has some seroius beef with our lovable Queen.

Also, I'm swimming in Iron.

>>149288496
AFAIK, Wada handled all of the HM games until Grand Bazaar. After his resignation from Marvelous, Hashimoto took over.

Also, don't blame the RF team for failing to make bank with Forbidden Magna. Hashimoto handled that game too.

In any case, most, if not all problems solely come from Hashimoto himself. That dude makes questionable decisions sometimes (like the Paddy crops not being viable in ANB and now reverting to auto-water paddy fields in ToT, for example.)

>>149289148
>Also, don't blame the RF team for failing to make bank with Forbidden Magna. Hashimoto handled that game too.
Just like he handled every RF game, or are you forgetting that he's the producer for all RF games to date?
Forbidden Magna is a good game, it's just a flop like many good games are, there is no one to blame here, they tried a new franchise and failed.

>In any case, most, if not all problems solely come from Hashimoto himself. That dude makes questionable decisions sometimes (like the Paddy crops not being viable in ANB and now reverting to auto-water paddy fields in ToT, for example.)
I'm not sure you should blame everything on Hashimoto, there are whole teams behind each game and I'm sure he's not the one deciding minor stuff like how the paddy fields work.

And in any case, I don't know why are you bringing him up, I was just saying that it's a generalization to say "It doesn't help when Marvelous attempts at extending game play mainly revolve around crippling it." when it's not the norm for the franchise.

>>149288496
It didn't start as the norm for the franchise but it has become so now. If it was something that occurred randomly throughout the franchise then yes it would be a generalization, but it's something that has been occurring for several games in succession.

>>149290516
You said it only happens in Grand Bazaar and TTT though.

ANB's Spring is just an overly long tutorial, not a way to extend playtime but an admittedly bad choice, and while SoS is introducing mechanics until your first Autumun (Summor introduces field contests, autumn introduces the Safari), you're still free to do whatever you want after the tutorial (which is only one week long).

>>149289983
>"It doesn't help when Marvelous attempts at extending game play mainly revolve around crippling it." when it's not the norm for the franchise.

It became the norm for the past 3 games.

>I'm not sure you should blame everything on Hashimoto, there are whole teams behind each game and I'm sure he's not the one deciding minor stuff like how the paddy fields work.

Oh, he does. The producer gets the final say on what goes in, what goes out and what is changed. Also, he's handling them one game at a time. Why do you think, despite Neverland's dissolution, we haven't had an inkling of a new RF game for 4 years? FM, SoS, PoPoLoCrois, now ToT. It wouldn't be a surprise if the next game is a spinoff or a new franchise.

>>149291909
>It became the norm for the past 3 games.
ANB and SoS don't cripple the gameplay at all, specially not in the way you described GB or TTT, ANB suffers from a long tutorial and that's it. SoS even less, as it's only one week long.

>Oh, he does. The producer gets the final say on what goes in, what goes out and what is changed.
But the director is the one in charge of most of that minor stuff, not the producer. Blaming the producer on a bad gameplay choice doesn't make any sense, as he's not the ones designing the game. You should blame whoever was in charge of designing the paddies, Hashimoto is just a face (and usually a Yes-man, unless you're Shigeru Miyamoto).

>Also, he's handling them one game at a time. Why do you think, despite Neverland's dissolution, we haven't had an inkling of a new RF game for 4 years? FM, SoS, PoPoLoCrois, now ToT. It wouldn't be a surprise if the next game is a spinoff or a new franchise.
I don't see what's the point of bringing this up. In any case, is PoPoLoCrois any good?

>>149290847
The farming upgrade thing yes but that’s only one thing. Also as of GB, mining as a whole was gutted all while still relying on it quite heavily. That persists until the current game.
Fishing now can easily result in you pulling out as much useless junk as you do actual fish. Was only just noticable in TTT but got much worse after. Actually acquiring the fishing rod has also takes longer. Before it was either available from the begginig and had to be bought, or took giving some gifts to raise friendship. As of GB it was flat out unavailable until summer. Those are the main things I can recall really.

>>149292853
So GB and TTT are pretty bad, just like I expected (that's why I didn't play them, after being disappointed by Sunshine Islands, I think, or maybe it was HMDS after it corrupted my save).

In any case I'm not saying the franchise is devoid of any flaws, I was only correcting one phrase that seemed like a gross generalization.

I don't remember when you got the rod in SoS but you can dive and fish that way in any case. Mining was never an issue in SoS to me either.

Is the Marvelous hating anon only one person? I swear I've seen these same arguments over and over in the past threads.

>>149293242
Otmar gives you the rod first time you visit him in the summer. Diving gets you some of the fish but not all of them. Also nets you a fair bit of non fish stuff too.
Early on mining isn't too much of an issue since you can also get the basic minerals from diving as you mention, and that's all you need at first. Problem is that the more advanced plans require things from the mining point in the Safari zone. That gives a random number of random items so it be weeks to months just to get what you need for a plan.
You can of course buy the minerals but those don't unlock until summer of year 2 and require you to have unlocked the vendor (including either ice or tropic)

So your only truly free to do things after a few game years. Until then the game actively limits what you can do. Compare that to the earlier games where you where only limited by how much effort you were willing to put in.

(and what the hell is up with the qr upload crap that keeps happening when I try to post.

How is ToTT aside from the farming thing? It's no RF, but it seems like the characters are going to be enjoyable.

>>149293372
Dunno if your referring to me but I don't hate them as much as I hate the direction they've been taking things in order to make it seem they're innovating.

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Entered year 2 and I finally got around to upgrading my house. Here's the first western house upgrade. There's a bathroom and closet to the left.

There was also an option for a eastern and tropical house if those are more your fancy.

>>149295806
ToTT is fairly good game, it's just a few design decisions that can cause a lot of frustration.

>>149296061
Do you have tropical place upgrades?

>>149296440
I do not.

>>149295747
>Otmar gives you the rod first time you visit him in the summer. Diving gets you some of the fish but not all of them. Also nets you a fair bit of non fish stuff too.
Earlier games don't have you started with the fishing rod though, so I don't see how is this crippling.

> That gives a random number of random items so it be weeks to months just to get what you need for a plan.
You can savescum the mining points anon, though I know that's not the point. Also mining is random in every HM/RF game (and in the case of FoMT/BtN even more so, since you could get trapped in mine floors with no stairs going below or your stamina running out, in a game where stamina recovery was very expensive). I don't get this complaint aside from the mining points being more limited now, which is a fair complaint but not gameplay crippling.

>So your only truly free to do things after a few game years. Until then the game actively limits what you can do. Compare that to the earlier games where you where only limited by how much effort you were willing to put in.
That's not entirely true, earlier games had much less stuff to do (unlike SoS) so you simply didn't have to make great efforts to get what you wanted. There is nothing limiting you in SoS aside from materials and plans (recipes), and that holds true for most HM and RF games.

Also HM has had unlockable things ever since ToT (with the rainbow seeds, I think they were called), back then I complained like you are complaining now, but nowadays I notice that it wasn't a big deal at all, and that I was still free to do pretty much everything.

>>149295972
Aren't they innovating though? The clothes and furniture system in SoS was amazing, so much I hope RF can take a hint about how it should work, because the furniture in RF4 blows, and most clothes are palette swaps.

>>149292529
Yeah, removing a feature from a previous game then locking it away behind a retarded socialist land sharing system for 'innovation' is not crippling at all. Nosiree.

And the mines. Only a fucking single node. Accessory making requires metals and precious stones, and where do you get them, hm? Five whacks governed solely by RNGesus and his random touch is no way good. I'm actually bleeding money for keeping up with accessory trade requests because of this shit.

It always one step forward, three steps back.

>>149296674
So how do you get upgrades for the home? I remember seeing a screencap of the home in the I Can't Believe It's Not Japan style too.

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>>149297952
It's mostly lumber and lumber like products if I remember right.
The western house also required 30 Marigold flowers and you can buy those from the vendors in town. Other houses required slight variations on the materials.

Here's a shot of Ford's office during the winter for no real reason.

>>149297715
>Yeah, removing a feature from a previous game then locking it away behind a retarded socialist land sharing system for 'innovation' is not crippling at all. Nosiree.
It is innovation, I don't understand your complaint here, so they can't make changes to the land system to make it more engaging? It's not even challenging for old players anyway, and unless you seriously depend on that paddy, it's not crippling at all. You just simply don't like the contests, and that's okay, but that doesn't make them retarded.

>And the mines. Only a fucking single node. Accessory making requires metals and precious stones, and where do you get them, hm? Five whacks governed solely by RNGesus and his random touch is no way good.
The lack of mining nodes is a fair complaint, actually. I just never had issues with it so I didn't think about it. The randomness has always been part of HM's mining, however.

>I'm actually bleeding money for keeping up with accessory trade requests because of this shit.
Are you complaining about having to manage your resources?

I think that SoS making you to devote only to a few activities instead of being able to do everything well is not crippling, it's actually a good move. Most of the time when I play older entries I end up doing exactly the same every time, if I play SoS again I'll try ranching or crafting instead of farming or doing the flax empire

>>149297715
>It always one step forward, three steps back.
You're a fucking drama queen, stop exaggerating.

>>149297715
Oh, >>149298601 here, forgot to say something.

The game has flaws, so what, that wasn't the point we were discussing, we were discussing how this: "It doesn't help when Marvelous attempts at extending game play mainly revolve around crippling it." is a huge generalization.

>>149297024
>Earlier games don't have you started with the fishing rod though, so I don't see how is this crippling.
Earlier games didn't actively block when you could get it either. If you put in the effort you could get it fairly early and have another means of income.

>Also mining is random in every HM/RF game etc.
Has more to do with the randomness itself. When it was mining floors, the tables were weighted such that you had a fair chance of coming away with one or two of what you wanted once you hit the right floors. With the mining point however, things are weighed in such a way that rarer items are harder to get. The old system took far more effort in regards to stamina and whtnot, but it added a game play element in the form of needing to properly plan and execute a mining expidition. The new system doesn't have the same stamina penalty but the time penalty is much worse.

>There is nothing limiting you in SoS aside from materials and plans (recipes), and that holds true for most HM and RF games.
Except that the majority of these are tied to unlocks unlike the older games. The older games may have had them but they were far fewer. Most common were the seeds really. SoS however has the majority of its items like that. How fast some items are unlocked is tied to effort, but some items are time unlocks that can extend to the third year, regardless of any effort on your part.

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>>149231709
Something I forgot to mention when selecting nicknames. The character limit is still 6.

If I had the ability to use a Japanese input keyboard on my NA 3DS then it wouldn't be a problem, but I hope that the English release gets the expanded character limit just like the EU version of SoS got.

>can't select Sweetie
>can't select Darling
Six characters really limits what you can do and I had to settle for Honey just like I did in SoS.

>>149297262
Not saying they aren't, but some things are just flat out cock blocking moves that aren't really innovation but just things that are done to extend game play for zero effort on their part.

>>149300758
>Earlier games didn't actively block when you could get it either.
I'm sure some of them did, and SoS at least diving.

>The new system doesn't have the same stamina penalty but the time penalty is much worse.
That's fair complaint as I said in my previous post, but I don't see how that's crippling to the gameplay, also older games had you going into insane floors to catch specific fishes, for example, so it had it's own share of issues. I don't like the mining either but the discussion wasn't about SoS flaws anyway.

>How fast some items are unlocked is tied to effort,
And that's good.

>but some items are time unlocks that can extend to the third year, regardless of any effort on your part.
And those are mostly fancy stuff like that machine for auto watering crops. I see how that can be annoying but I still don't see how it's crippling.

>Except that the majority of these are tied to unlocks unlike the older games.
SoS just happens to have a lot more stuff than older entries, anything in older entries is available in SoS almost right from the start.

>>149301013
You seem to be exaggerating a lot m8. I understand you don't like some stuff but not liking something (like contests, for example) doesn't mean it's a bad mechanic.

>>149300782
You could do "Sweeti" or "Darlin."

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>>149303669
It's not the same anon. It's just not the same.
Also, the shortening doesn't fit with Kasumi's mannerisms.
Darling is already pushing it, but she doesn't seem like the kind of person that'd be saying Darlin.

>>149300782
Select something that sounds nice in japanese.

Like Anata.

>>149304264
>pic

Sexy.

Not Minea is Iluka, right? (the blue one)

>tame 2 buffamoos
>send them home
>they're not in any monster barn

help

>>149305309
Siluka is the blue sister.

http://fogu.com/sos2/

>>149305492
I wonder if you can marry both?

Yeah I know, HM/RF games don't let you do that sort of thing.

>>149305460
nvm

they were in the extension

anyone know what's the max limit a barn can hold?

>>149306097
4 for each floor.

>>149306341
thanks man

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Mentioned before in another post but your mother comes to visit and stay over for a few days.

Just like your sister she stays over at your place for a few days and you get an event with her before she leaves.

You show her around Lulucoco for her event.

>>149307896
Cute!

>>149307896
>The undateable milfs now include your own Mother
God dammit stop it

>>149307896
Does your dad still treat you like an embarrassment or have you made him proud yet

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>>149308506
I bet you'd go after your sister too if you had the chance.

>>149308661
I haven't completed his challenges yet, so probably not. I might be mistaken, but your mother actually talks to you about him and how you feel about him after you left the house.

Like I said before my moon is still poor, so I may be wrong.

>>149302946
>I'm sure some of them did, and SoS at least diving.
Nope. It was either a flat out cost or required friendship with someone. As for diving, it has a fairly limited amount of fish. Half the list of stuff you get is items, clams and crabs.

>That's fair complaint as I said in my previous post, but I don't see how that's crippling to the gameplay, also older games had you going into insane floors to catch specific fishes, for example, so it had it's own share of issues. I don't like the mining either but the discussion wasn't about SoS flaws anyway.
Those things were either for the best items or were more for a challenge for completions. And were aren't just talking SoS either. ANB had a cave with three mining points that randomly generated both the amount of items and the items themselves. Also some items were limited to certain nodes. ToTT was the same with four nodes. See the progression there? It's made worse in ANB and SoS because the addition of a lot more creatable items via the blueprint system meant that minerals were in far more demand than in previous games. In the earlier games, beyond tool upgrades and maker/accessory creation, mining was mostly for extra money and not really required.

(to be continued)

>>149308985

>And those are mostly fancy stuff like that machine for auto watering crops. I see how that can be annoying but I still don't see how it's crippling.
Because its more than just that. It's the game enforcing how it wants you to play regarless of what your objectives are. Want to make a greenhouse to grow specific crops on a different season in year 1 to unlock the golden crops? Well fuck you your waiting till year 2. Pre ANB you could get the greenhouse when you had the resources to have it built. So tell me how does limiting my options compared to previous games not cripple game play? Just because you may not want to do something doesn't mean that others don't want to do so. Yet they no longer have the option.

>SoS just happens to have a lot more stuff than older entries, anything in older entries is available in SoS almost right from the start.
Well, except for the fishing rod. And mining. Did I mention the greenhouse? The TV is another but not all games have it so that goes either way. The point here being that the older games had plenty of stuff that isn't available day one in SoS. Hell some of it wasn't available day one in the old game.

>You seem to be exaggerating a lot m8. I understand you don't like some stuff but not liking something (like contests, for example) doesn't mean it's a bad mechanic.
And now mate your putting in stuff I never said. I specifically pointed out things that add no value and were blatant attempts to extend game play. The blueprint system? Thats innovation. Time locks on things that didn't exist before, like the fishing rod and cutting off access to thing we could do earlier in previos games? Thats not innovation, thats cock blocking for the sake of extending gamplay thru no no innovation or effort on the devs part. And it a shitty mechanic.

One more thing. The "innovations" are so great that Marvelous was forced to add seedling mode due to complaints from japanese players about the needless difficulty they added.

The horse really is a good way of getting around in ToTT.

>>149308985
>Nope. It was either a flat out cost or required friendship with someone.
That's either a paywall or requiring a week or two to befriend someone, instead of that you gotta wait 1 month. Big fucking deal, it's still not crippling, and now you can dive.

>See the progression there? It's made worse in ANB and SoS because the addition of a lot more creatable items via the blueprint system meant that minerals were in far more demand than in previous games. In the earlier games, beyond tool upgrades and maker/accessory creation, mining was mostly for extra money and not really required.
Yes, the mining system sucks, as I already said a hundred fucking times. But it's also not crippling, you just gotta make compromises between what you want to make, because there is a lot more you can do. Is resource management so fucking bad to you?

>Because its more than just that. It's the game enforcing how it wants you to play regarless of what your objectives are.
No, it's not. You have less options at the start but that doesn't mean the game is forcing you to play a certain way. Games giving you more options as you go on is not fucking crippling, it's normal game progression, and SoS is pretty free for the most part. In fact there is a lot more stuff to do than in other HM games.

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>>149310651
>So tell me how does limiting my options compared to previous games not cripple game play?
Because you're not limited aside from some luxury items? HM has never had everything available from the start, for fuck's sake.

>Well, except for the fishing rod. And mining. Did I mention the greenhouse?
You can mine in places other than the safari, the rod was behind a paywall or a soft time block that required you to befriend people, it has never been a starting item, and the greenhouse is not in every game anyway, and while I can see why it annoys you, it's still not fucking crippling.

>And now mate your putting in stuff I never said. I specifically pointed out things that add no value and were blatant attempts to extend game play.
I was replying to someone else, if you didn't notice. And no, they're not attempts to extend gameplay. You know what's an attempt to extend gameplay? Having more content than any other game in the series, that's what makes SoS longer.

>Thats innovation. Time locks on things that didn't exist before, like the fishing rod and cutting off access to thing we could do earlier in previos games? Thats not innovation
And I never said they were, the contests are an innovation though (if you mean those), whether you like them or not (no idea, because that was a reply to someone else). And it wasn't what we were discussing for fuck's sake.

>The "innovations" are so great that Marvelous was forced to add seedling mode due to complaints from japanese players about the needless difficulty they added.
Again, there is no point in bringing this up, because it's completely unrelated to what we were discussing.

Do you even remember older games? They have always had some stuff limited to later seasons like exclusive winter mines, characters moving in, etc.

>>149311183
I seriously think you don't remember much from the older games, most of them aren't nearly as free as you're making them up to be, not to mention they didn't have nearly the same amount of stuff as ANB or SoS.

No idea about GB and ToTT but they sound like shit anyway, since that is actually crippling progression (limiting house upgrades per season, for example), unlike ANB or SoS where you're really grasping straws about what "crippling" is.

The games aren't perfect, but they are getting better (at least the 3DS ones, since I skipped the DS ones), saying stuff like how they cripple the gameplay more each time is a huge exaggeration.

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>>149308948
I like lolis, but she looks like a toddler there, so I probably wouldn't go after her.

>>149311726
This all started because I said that the statement "It doesn't help when Marvelous attempts at extending game play mainly revolve around crippling it." was an unfair generalization.

I have no idea how it escalated so much.

>>149310651

>That's either a paywall or requiring a week or two to befriend someone, instead of that you gotta wait 1 month. Big fucking deal, it's still not crippling, and now you can dive.
Bullshit. The first month in ANB flat out proved it. SoS doesn't do the same for good reason. And diving is both SoS only and isn't fishing no matter how you try to spin it. Don't forget we're talking about the how things are trending in the series and not just SoS.

>Yes, the mining system sucks, as I already said a hundred fucking times. But it's also not crippling, you just gotta make compromises between what you want to make, because there is a lot more you can do. Is resource management so fucking bad to you?
Yes it is because the game has come to rely more and more on those resources while limiting said resources. Remember those two countries you said were crippling to unlock? Part of that lies with this.

>No, it's not. You have less options at the start but that doesn't mean the game is forcing you to play a certain way. Games giving you more options as you go on is not fucking crippling, it's normal game progression, and SoS is pretty free for the most part. In fact there is a lot more stuff to do than in other HM games
Yes it does when the reason you have few options is because the developer dilliberality locked away options the existed in the earlier games at the same point.