/mbg/ - Mount & Blade General

>>148723936
What mod

>>148724029
That's the touhou mod.

>>148724228
Well, everyone's wearing fancy headgear, so I'd believe it.

How do I make vanilla Warband nord playthrough FUN?

I have 800 hours so looking for new shit.

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I'm posting Cao Cao in honour of the poster who was posting in honour of the original Cao Cao poster until we get a good Romance of the three kingdoms mod.

>>148724361
>new shit
>playing native, as the "hit thing with axe" faction
uh

>>148723936
What are the chances Bannerlord will actually run well in decently sized battles?

>>148724553
In my SLIC Titan with 64 GB of RAMwith a SSD HDD and Xeon processor?

Pretty good.

>>148724553
The siege video supposedly had 500 units in one battle. Of course, we don't know the specs of the computer that could run that 500 man siege, so who knows how Bannerlord will actually handle it.

>>148724679
That rig will still run EU IV with MEIOU or endgame CK2+ with India like garbage.

>>148724228
Those are some pretty good textures.

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>>148723936
I am going to try and complete a playthrough of Warband without restarting like I usually do.

I got some questions become I am a roleplaying degenerate.

What happens if I marry the daughter of a Swadian vassal and then later push Lady Isolla's claim? Will her father join me or will he be against me? What happens if Lady Isolla becomes Queen?

What happens if I marry the daughter of a Rhodok vassal, push Lady Isolla's claim, win and then Swadia and Rhodok declare war on each other? Does my wife move to Swadia and does her father hate me?

>>148726228
yolo, family member. Just do whatever, that's what sandboxes are for.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpGz6orJaRU

WHERE IS IT

>>148726668
>that fur
>that axe head

Real "next gen", TW.

Is Gekokujo any good?

>>148727252
>fur
Good for keeping warm in cold places.
>axe
Used by cultures worldwide.

>>148728027
m8

>>148728193
Are you bashing how it looks then? I thought you were Strugianposter

>>148728269
you can say faggot, using side slurs like sturgian makes it just worse

>>148728341
...what the fuck are you even talking about anymore

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WHERE

>>148727373
Yes. If there's at least one thing they did really good, it's the music. It really adds a nice flavour.

>>148728432
>the barbarians destroyed entire settlements and hundreds of years later the land has still not recovered
Do we know if we can build new cities btw? The encampment thing from VC was pretty neat.

>>148727252
>fur
Should not be on his back
>axe
Not sure about this one, is it too fat and blade length not long enough?

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>>148728605
And then they terraformed Calradia into its current shape

>>148728736
Well the minor coastline changes are actually sensible, seeing as Neapolis's docks are now a few kilometers away from the Italian shore and several Roman villas now lie off the coast of Ravenna.

>>148728736
Anyone still has overlay of old map on the new one?

>>148728269
>Say "real 'next gen', TW"
>Somehow your first thought is that I'm not talking about graphics

>>148729789
Strugianposter kept pointing out the "le meme axe" and "le meme fur" so yeah...

>>148729985
I've only seen him talk about "le epic vikings"

>>148727252
I'd rather have massive and playable over top-notch graphics.

>>148730081
He replieed to literally that exact image before complaining about the danish two-handers, chainmail, helmets and fur so...
sorry

>>148730310
It's okay

Persistent Troop Identities is still in absolute shambles, but for the time being here's my custom troop trees submod, source included:

http://www.moddb.com/mods/custom-troop-trees/

I need to get to bed so it's a bit of a rush job; haven't had time to add instructions yet or anything. I'm thinking I'll add a video on how to merge it with other mods later. The mod itself could also use some work and the code isn't the most well-documented, but I wanted to just release something already. Have fun. I look forward to seeing the million uncovered bugs in the morning.

I should also add it to the forums at some point, but you guys come first.

>>148727373
No

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>>148727252
>next gen
Have they actually used this buzzword?

>>148731009
Next gen multiplayer battles.

>>148727252
Consider how Warband runs with its 90s graphics and then consider if you'd really want a next gen MB.

>>148731473
it is time for MB to grow up. people prefer a story-driven game rather than a sandbox which boasts about how sexist it is. no one needs to control hundreds of units because it can just be confusing and too much stress.

>>148731614
Irony?

>>148731675
What do you think?

my life is in complete shambles but at least i have bannerlord...

>>148732575
:^)

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>>148732575
WHERE IS IT

>>148730604
neat

>>148732665
:'^(

>>148731986
its too hard to tell these days

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>you will never have a pure, steppe waifu

Why even live?

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>Go to Moria
>Look for a secrete entrance
>spend half an hour lost in the tunnels
Damn they did a good job

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>>148733659
They really nailed the ambiance.

if bannerlord turns out to be shit i might as well just end it all
all ive got going in my life is this shitty general and 5 year old game

>>148733775
But they'll patch it!

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>>148733773
I got fucked by 3 goblins in the main hall. Didn't die, but I was too injured to go on. I really need a companion and some better fucking gear, preferably one that I don't need 3 blows to fuck up a goblin.

Moria has a couple of skeletons lying around, which makes me think that for all the wars in calradia, you never see a skeleton lying around.

>>148733454
Kys

>>148733918
i remember exploring moria
spent hours and all i got was some shitty book that idk what it's used for

>>148730604
Shit nigger, this is cool as fuck.

Actually being able to design your troops Fuck me.

But how do you balance equipment and shit

What's persistent troop identities?

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>>148734029
Well there's a "use item" action, so I guess it's for that.

>>148730604
nice, i'll be integrating this with my mod for certain

>>148733918
What is even the goal of TLD? I'm so confused every time I try to play it. I just do a bunch of generic quests for my starting area, recruit a bunch of guys and kill some goblins. Is there some overarching questline/story? It doesn't seem like you're supposed to be playing this like any regular m&b mod. Also, how do I get sexy equipment?

>>148730604
WEW

>>148730604
We should add this to 1257 AD for sure. What else can we add to it? Any Warphilia assets worth grabbing?

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LONG MAY HE REIGN

>>148733917
can't patch my life
3deep 5 me...

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>>148734901

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>Hear about how Swadia is gonna be buttfucked since it's on the center of the map
>It literally deleted the mongols, have taken most of Vaergis and the Nords and all that is left are the Sarranids which still have a good amount of keeps and the Rhodoks who are in their corner
>mfw

Holy shit, Dem fucking swadian knights. I have like 40 of those and won battles against 300 soldiers while I had 100.
Also, if I choose to renounce an oath to help a pretender take the throne I will lose my fiefs right?

>>148735048
if you take a castle and request it, you can renounce your oath and keep your fiefs if the king rejects your request

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>>148735048
>supporting any of the native claimants

>>148735048
nah if you swear an oath to the pretender you can renounce your oath without losing any fiefs

>>148724361
Attempt peace immediately with every faction, always release lords, never raid villages or caravans.
Until you declare war with the Sultanate at which point rape and pillage to your heart's content.

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>>148734167
Well, I found the book. Tried to venture further in the mines because of it, got lost once again, but already found the exit.

>>148734490
The quests and the game tell me we are to get ready for the big war. Once a nation goes below 2K power, it can get sieges and destroyed. If only Saruman and Sauron are left, the two towers will fight for supremacy.

>>148735048
Heavy Cavalry is insanely OP who knew.
>tfw no Catapracht troops in native

>>148735462
vaegir knights and khergit lancers are basically cataphracts
russia and turks were the true successors of byzantium

>>148736512
>successors of...
Stop. A dead state is a dead state. It does not have a successor.

>>148736512
vaegir knights have axes, thats not very cataphract

A cataphract has
Lance
Sword
Small shield
throwing javalins
bow
arrows
Fully armored horse

This was medium cavalry :^) The heavy cavalry had two layers of armor covering the entire rider and horse.

Nobody in the middle east used the same kind of european chargers though.

>>148736556
They had those people in Lemnos that considered themselves Romans until the 20th century.

>>148737163
khergit lancers in 1.011 had bows

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>>148735048
>normally don't play swadian, but they usually do okay in my experience
>start game as a swadian freelancer
>literally every other faction declares war
>fight hard but to no avail as I'm still a barely armed peasant, with the AI at the helm
>helplessly watch as swadia is devoured utterly within 100 days of non-stop rape
war is hell

>>148737163
>medium
No it wasn't. It was heavy cavalry. The next version was just even heavier cavalry.

>>148737264
> Some of the children ran to see what Greek soldiers looked like. ‘‘What are you looking at?’’ one of them asked. ‘‘At Hellenes,’’ the children replied. ‘‘Are you not Hellenes yourselves?’’ a soldier retorted. ‘‘No, we are Romans."

to be fair
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rum_Millet
everyone in the orthodox was a "roman" under the turks

>>148737264
We had that crazy bastard who considered himself emperor of america.
That totally makes it true.

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Come on Mordor.
Can't you just wait around a little bit more you massive faggot
I didn't even get enough influence to convince the elf faggots to give me proper gear

>>148727252
That is good. Bannerlord is not a next gen consoles game anyway

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>>148739061
Ok dad, I will obey the elves.

>>148739061
What mod is this?

>>148739416
Think it's The Last Days.

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>Uruk-Hai fucks me up in one fucking blow
>Fuck up my party
>I still win the engagement
oook
Maybe it's time to start a new game and not get 30 party members until I have proper gear
Or was that level based

>>148739416
Gekokujo

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>>148737643
Funny, the first time I played something like that happen and I played Nord.
But I dunno if me luring the enemy troops this time as a swadian made them win some fights easier and from there they just steamroalled
I swear man, more than half the map is orange now. I think in less than a thousand days they will conquer all the continent

>>148737943
It's just a shame the US government committed blatant treason by ignoring his decrees.

>>148737943
the non-muslim subjects of the former (byzantine) Roman empire all considered themselves romans until the effects of modern nationalism in the 19th century
the roman national identity in the region over 2000 years old sadly snuffed out by arrogant greek nationalists denying their own history and roman identity of their ancestors

>Lord Erdogan has indicted a vassal for treason...
>Lord Erdogan has indicted a vassal for treason...
>Lord Erdogan has indicted a vassal for treason...
>Lord Erdogan has indicted a vassal for treason...
>...
>...
>...

>>148742468
>Coup Leader has been taken prisoner by Sultan Erdogan

>>148742468
>The Turkish Rebels faction has been destroyed.

Is there a list of unique units, in Gekokujo, somewhere? Like the Takeda Fire Calvary and Shimazu guys

>>148742329
That doesn't make it true
Some russian tsars claimed russia to be rome, some turks claimed to be the continuation, that doesn't make it true

>>148744257
The Russian one isn't true. The Ottomans, however, are the third Rome. They were declared to be so.

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>Go help elrond that faggot, not that he needs my help
>almost no kills because I'm a poor as fuck dunedain ranger while the rich elf faggots are rolling in their horses and shiny armors because apparently being immortal really helps you be rich
>Finally strong enough to one-hit shit goblins with my shit sword
>See trolls very fucked up, think I can give it the last blow
>It sends me and other 5 faggots flying away, I die in one hit
Fuck I need some good armor

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>>148744631
And a fucking pike to deal with these faggots.

>>148744631
why not play blood in the west? it's less retarded, you get to roll with the fellowship & you have a better chance of winning a 1v1 with a troll. only downside is that they make peace often.

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So I downloaded upstab anon's modified Tocan's and everyone seems to have bald spots with a bunch of the haircuts.

Is there some way I can make all the hair slightly bigger or the heads slightly smaller?

>>148745508
I didn't know about. might give it a try. I'm enjoying TLD though.

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coup failed, so might aswell just return to sturgianposting

>the sturgians are not slavs
>they're generic "le ebin vikings xD"

>>148747285
rogain

>>148748156
>the Vlandians aren't Franks
>they're generic "le ebin vikings xD"
>the Battanians aren't Wiccan Celts
>they're generic "le ebin vikings xD"

>>148748628
no

>the vlandians aren't franks
>they're generic "le ebin knights xD"
>the batannians aren't celts
>they're generic "le ebin archer forest people xD"

>>148744257
it does though
roman was a national identity formed naturally over 2000 years, just because the empire is lost doesn't make the people any less roman

>>148750143
>natural identity
>I identify as a roman shitlord, you can't say I'm not one

>ust because the empire is lost doesn't make the people any less roman
>Not born in rome
>doesn't speak the language of rome
>doesnt have the culture of rome
>but I identify as roman shitlord
Let me guess you believe in white people who self identify as latinos

>>148747285
Open the hair brfs and right click them, then roto translate rescale

>>148750324
Not him but "Latino" is not actually a race.

>>148751370
Who the fuck are you to say that shitlord? If he identifies himself as one he IS one!

>>148750372
>roto translate rescale

I don't understand what that means

>>148751676
nevermind i found the button

>>148751862
just play around with it before you save, the bottom 3 are the actual rescaling ones you'll want to use
you'll need to uncheck the box that makes them uniform and play around with the x and y values, leave the z value

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>>148731320
Next gen e-sports

>>148752312
Thanks anon, so far it's working very well

Anything that says "lod" is for when characters are far away and I can leave it the same, right?

>>148753273
Fuck off gingercunt.

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>>148744631
>Being with the pansy elves
ez mode
True men serve Gondor

>>148753356
ideally you should double click the mesh and it'll select all of them then roto translate
though i doubt it'll matter much, i just do that for consistency really

>>148755025
I don't think I'll need that, I'll go through them one by one

Some of the hair is perfectly fine and others has the baldness stuff

>>148755316
pretty sure the heads are slightly bigger or something due to the new faces

>>148755415
they might only be bigger in one direction or something

some of the hair starts to float in the air very noticeably when i change them the same as the other ones, bald spots seem mostly at the back and back part of the top, so i need to move the hair a little bit when i make it wider so it doesn't float in the front

>>148755728
if you just do small increments then it should be ok, and modifying one of the 3 scales will move the hair mesh forward, usually it's Z but sometimes it can be one of the others depending on the orientation of the mesh

>>148755982
there's a field for moving it in the field too, so I've been doing small corrections with that and the wider/narrower buttons

>>148750324
>not born in rome
rome as a city wasn't relevant at all in the later stages of the empire
>language of rome
outside of alexandria, egypt, rome had the highest number of greek speakers in the empire, greek and latin were frequently referred to as the two languages of the empire
>culture of rome
the eastern roman empire's political culture and otherwise has had an unbroken continuation since polybius all the way until 1453, the people had been thoroughly romanized and never considered themselves anything other than romans, even after being conquered by the turks. it was only modern greek and balkan nationalism that ended the roman national identity.

>>148756470
i mean if you rescale in only one of the three directions it'll also move it, dunno why
but yeah the first category lets you fine tune where exactly it is

>>148756507
You might as well argue we are still the exact same as our money-like pre human ancestors, because really we didn't change THAT much, did we?

>>148756507
>rome as a city wasn't relevant at all in the later stages of the empire
It was still the official capital and the namesake of the whole territory

>outside of alexandria, egypt, rome had the highest number of greek speakers in the empire, greek and latin were frequently referred to as the two languages of the empire
Nope.

>the eastern roman empire's political culture and otherwise has had an unbroken continuation since polybius all the way until 1453

No, it changed a fucking lot
That's why historians use the term byzantium to refer to the place

>the people had been thoroughly romanized
WEW
They weren't even close to romanized lad

> and never considered themselves anything other than romans
>respect my pronouns

> even after being conquered by the turks
wew

> it was only modern greek and balkan nationalism that ended the roman national identity.
I can't deal with this shit, it's too much, you are killing my sides

>>148756780
You might as well argue your parents are a completely different culture, any change is enough right?

>>148757307
I'm genetically, culturally, linguistically, geographically and so on and so forth very similar to my parents.

You might also have noticed that the issue at hand is a society and not an individual

>>148756973
>>148756780
>nope
read a book

rome wasn't the fucking capital for the last 200 years of the western empire

>>148757578
I never said that my roach friend

>>148757307
>you aren't ethnically roman
>you weren't born in Rome
>you don't hold the city of Rome
>you don't speak the roman language
>you don't have the roman customs
>but I identify as a roman shitlord so I am one

The roman people didn't go anywhere, they stayed in rome

>>148757578
Yes, it was. The whole purpose of creating capitals in the border was to defend Rome, shithead.

>>148757726
>defend rome
must be why the capital was moved to Ravenna in 402, and to mediolanum before that
must be why rome had a population of about 30,000 towards the end of the empire and was basically fucking abandoned

rome's just a fucking city, what it means to be roman in the roman empire is to have the roman customs and roman laws

read a fucking book

Hellenism in Byzantium
The Transformations of Greek Identity and the Reception of the Classical Tradition, Anthony Kaldellis

>>148757726
>Yes, it was.

It wasn't. The capital of the Western Empire was moved to Mediolanum, and then to Ravenna.

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Man
This mod is great
Too bad it will never be finished

>>148758262
>>148758267
>getting this assmad

top KEK

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HRE and poland simultaneously besieged two of our towns at once
thankfully it was magdeburg and rouen so they weren't far off, managed to push them back since the grand welsh army numbers over 4000
HRE's on its last legs, only two castles left

>>148758267
Indeed, not that we should look up to late Roman empire, I wonder, has Constitutio Antoniniana played in to drop of significant's of Rome.

>>148744117
I never found a list but i know some of them.
Shimazu - tachi hero
Date - nodachi hero
Uesegi - chosen (nagamaki)
Takeda - fire cav
Chosokabe - bow hero
Ryozoji - tetsubo hero
Oda - sharpshooter (gun)
Otomo - sharpshooter (gun)

I have no idea if this is all of them

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>>148758267
It was.

>>148758262
>must be why the capital was moved to Ravenna in 402, and to mediolanum before that
Precisely.

>Its capital was transferred to Ravenna in 402 largely for defensive reasons

>must be why rome had a population of about 30,000 towards the end of the empire and was basically fucking abandoned
It may be come to a shocker to you but turns out creating capitals in the fringes to protect rome didn't work out as expect and the roman empire actually ended in 476

>rome's just a fucking city
The city and namesake of the roman empire.
You know, the empire of the Romans, those guys based/born/culturally/linguistically/ethnically on Rome who forged an empire.

>what it means to be roman in the roman empire is to have the roman customs and roman laws
Just because you act like an american and follow the american laws doesn't make you american, pedro

>read a fucking book
I suggest you do that, actually, as you are ignorant of why the capitals were created.
I'm baffled.

>>148759764
I should clarify, that's gekokujo newer

>>148759764
You forgot Ikko Ikki - Naginata Champions

>>148756973
>>148757726
>>148759917
>muh roman language
>There was never any legal requirement that citizens should learn Latin
>The Emperor Claudius even praised a barbarian for "mastering our two languages," namely Greek and Latin
>Before the founding of Constantinople, the city with the largest Greek-speaking population after Alexandrai was in fact Rome
>Greek had become heavily Latinized with thousands of loan words for both law and daily use, many Roman terms would be accepted by the Western not directly from Latin but first through the East

>muh roman culture/institutions/ethnicity
direct political continuation
"they were all romans because they shared the same religion, language, art, and architecture, history, state and laws, and customs"
"the romans, and later, the byzantines did not define their national community in terms of ethnicity"

>muh namesake
empires evolve

Hellenism in Byzantium, Kaldellis

>>148759917
the western empire had been a economic and cultural backwaters for 400 years, Constantinople was the new rome
empires move their capitals all the time, who gives a shit about "namesakes"

>>148759917
The biggest problem is that neither the Ottomans nor the Russians actually acted like Romans, they never assimilated the culture. It doesn't matter that the ERE had by 1400 ceased to be Roman in the way we usually think of it, but the fact remains that they were the eastern half of the Empire of the Romans, just as Vichy France remained France despite holding only half of it and none of the Duchy of France.
The Ottoman Empire were fundamentally foreign conquerors regardless of whether or not they held the title itself (William the Conqueror isn't English although he held the Crown of England), while the Russians had a blood tie but were hardly Roman in culture.

>>148760775
>>148760590
Not him but why are you arguing about the ERE and WRE? They're obviously both parts of the Roman Empire, they were divided literally for administrative ease. I thought we were talking about the Turks and the Russians.

>>148759917
You ignore that a large portion of the ERE's military efforts were trying to retake Rome and old Roman territories. And on at least one occasion they did retake Rome.

>>148759917
>the roman empire ended in 476
losing the most backwaters and shitty portion of the empire literally doesn't matter
the eastern emperor was the real emperor, with an unbroken political succession through the roman system, and the western emperors and goths that followed all acknowledged that

>>148761167
>losing the most backwaters and shitty portion of the empire literally doesn't matter
>Gaul is backwater
>Iberia is backwater
>Italia and Magna Grecia is backwater
>North Africa is backwater
Really mate?
Also he obviously means the Western Roman Empire...I hope.

>>148760982
we were never talking about turks
turks have never been romans
christian subjects underneath the ottomans however were part of the "Rum Millet" (Romans), and nationally identified as romans up until the 19th and 20th centuries until balkan and greek nationalism subsumed the roman identity in favor of ethnic identities

>>148761297
Egypt Syria Greece Asia Minor was richer than all those areas combined x3

the western empire was a literal shithole in comparison

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>>148760590
>>muh roman language
>>muh roman city
>>muh roman ethnicity
>>muh roman culture
>i don't need any of these shitlord, I'm roman

Protip: greek was the lingua franca in the med. That's why it was so widely used. It was also teached by greek slaves and the slaves overall seen as weak, slave subjects.

>direct political continuation
There isn't direct political continuation without owning Rome.

>the same religion
Being protestant doesn't make you a german.

>language
The language of the roman empire is latin, silly.

>art, architecture
Yes, the nobles and the powerful were educated in Rome and mimicked the roman architecture to try and make their city more like Rome
It doesn't make their city in Rome, not even close
Proof of that is that the upper class abandoned all these customs not long after the fall

>"the byzantines did not define their national community in terms of ethnicity"
It would be pretty hard justify saying you are human if you justified it through your ethnicity, right?

>empires evolve
They do, but this one died with Rome.

>>148761117
>You ignore that a large portion of the ERE's military efforts were trying to retake Rome and old Roman territories
No fucking shit, they knew it was pretty silly to claim to be Rome without actually holding Rome.

>>148761167
The Roman Empire IS in the italian peninsula. The whole reason they moved their capitals to the BORDER of the peninsula was to protect the most important part of the empire. Rome and the peninsula.

>>148761516
After Italy was sacked and torn by wars, it was.
Turns out war and plundering does that to you!

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>>148761516
Actually the backwater shithole was the area around byzantium
really makes you think

>>148761618
latin has always been the tongue of the lower class, the elite in rome have always been thoroughly hellenized

>>148761367
I would imagine that they could culturally identify as the Romans just fine, since they're conquered citizens. What's the issue here? If you suddenly gave Berlin to Denmark, the people of Berlin are still Germans, just as the Ming Chinese never thought of themselves as Qing citizens.

>>148761516
>x3
Going to need a source on that, because Iberia, North Africa, Italy and Gaul were rich as fuck. Sure, the Eastern Empire was much richer as a whole, although a good deal of that comes from getting looted to oblivion by Germans or just outright conquered.

>>148761618
The Eastern Roman Empire remains the Roman Empire, or at the very least a valid descendant empire thereof, despite not holding Rome. The language of the ERE remained Latin until an imperial decree changed it to Greek.
The Roman Empire wasn't the Empire of the City of Rome. It was the Empire of the Roman peoples.

>>148761890
Bit too early to be relevant lad

>>148761890
>14 AD
the color of the area around byzantium isn't "shithole" it's "no data"

>>148761618
>Roman Culture
Preserved under the ERE and underwent 1000 years of evolution. The Latin culture in 700 BC wasn't the same as it was in 400 AD either.
>language
Remained Latin until it was changed by lawful decree.
>ethnicity
What the fuck is Roman ethnicity? You had plenty of Emperors who were LITERALLY barbarians.
>city
Huge symbolic hit but the Eastern and Western Roman Empires were split before the fall and the Eastern Roman Empire never owned Rome. Your argument is invalid unless you're claiming that the latter was never a Roman Empire despite it being recognized as one by the Emperor who split it as well as his son who ruled the Western half.
The Imperium Romanum Pars Orientis remained the eastern half of the roman empire, regardless of what happened to the western half.

>>148761995
>ming chinese
well, many conquered romans assimilated fully into being turks/muslims (most turks are turkified romans), just like many ming chinese fully assimilated into being loyal subjects of the Qing. many also did not

roman cultural identity would end when nationalism caused everyone to decide they were actually greek or vlach or some other shit despite all trace of those identities being basically completely erased under the umbrella of Roman since 200 AD

>latin language stuff
the roman empire actually never had an official language. if they had one it'd be greek anyways, since that was what all the non-plebs would have been speaking since the republican era. the change by decree stuff is a myth

>>148763056
>the roman empire actually never had an official language. if they had one it'd be greek anyways, since that was what all the non-plebs would have been speaking since the republican era. the change by decree stuff is a myth
True but the idea is that Latin would have been their native language, so to speak, until the man formally made Greek their new language. Obviously Latin being their ''''native''' language was a holdover from having split from the overarching Roman Empire but whatever.

>ming
My point was that they retain their claim to being [x] peoples since they were originally conquered anyway.

>>148724029
>>148725959
that's War of the Vikings
it's dead don't get it

>>148763605
buying as we speak

>devs say no Rome at War update for at least 2 months
>Docm says L'Aigle isn't dead but no update this year
>Fires of War trapped in eternal state of almost done because the scene update isn't coming out
>Gabby working on 100 mods at the same time and not finishing any of them
>Europe in Flames dev nowhere to be found
>next Warsword update in 10 days

wow I can't wait for all these great Warband mods coming out after Bannerlord

>>148764059
No I mean it's literally dead, Paradox have upped and said that they have nothing planned for the War franchise and that there is no development team assigned to war of the roses or war of the vikings.

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>>148761618
>saying you are human i
Fuck autocorrect, saying you are roman

>>148761894
Wrong again, jesus you know shit about this isn't?
And, by the way, mass is what decides what the country is, not the elite. Just because the Romanovs were Germans doesn't make Russia in the German Empire.

>>148761995
>The Eastern Roman Empire remains the Roman Empire
No, it doesn't.
No capital, no romans, no Roman Empire. They claimed to be, and that's what it ever was.

> The language of the ERE remained Latin until an imperial decree changed it to Greek.
Nope, last emperor to speak latin died not even 100 years after the fall of the Roman Empire.

>The Roman Empire wasn't the Empire of the City of Rome
Yes, it was. It was the Empire of the Romans, the sons of Rome and that built that empire.

>Roman peoples.
Pfff HAHAHAHA
The roman peoples are the romans and the latins directly neighboring rome, it certainly doesn't include every people they enslaved, like the greeks.

>>148762116
>Bit too early to be relevant lad
Yeah, better talk about being rich after the place was sacked, that is much more relevant.

>>148762647
>Preserved under the ERE
Wrong.

> underwent 1000 years of evolution
Roman culture was preserved in rome and evolved in rome. You can't steal someone's culture lad when you don't even speak their language.

>The Latin culture
Was the direct descedendant of roman culture, made in rome by the romans.
>The term East Rome accurately described the political unit embracing the Eastern provinces of the old Roman Empire until 476, while there were yet two emperors. The same term may even be used until the last half of the 6th century, as long as men continued to act and think according to patterns not unlike those prevailing in an earlier Roman Empire. During those same centuries, nonetheless, there were changes so profound in their cumulative effect that after the 7th century state and society in the East differed markedly from their earlier forms.

>>148764578
>>saying you are human i
>Fuck autocorrect, saying you are roman

Anon, to be Roman is to be human.

>>148764462
Fucking parajews, good thing taleworlds now publish their own games

holy fucking shit you nerds are fucking insane

i just came here for dank butter memes

>>148765307
Unless TW died during the attempted coup. Then Paradox can buy M&B again and sell DLC so that the Bannerlord factions look unique instead of everyone looking like Battanians.

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>>148764578
And as my image denotes, greeks were considerate subordinates. They were often slaves too. Thinking slaves could claim the title of the roman empire is ridiculous.

>Remained Latin until it was changed by lawful decree.
Pfft Latin was barely used in the east, only by a few of the rich to imitate the romans.

>What the fuck is Roman ethnicity?
You don't know the ethnicity of those that built the roman empire?

>our argument is invalid unless you're claiming that the latter was never a Roman Empire
You mean THE roman empire. It was a province of the roman empire but it was never THE roman empire. Egypt was a part of the roman empire, so was israel and france and spain and the balkans. Being a part of something doesn't make you IN that something, not necessarily.

It's subjects were greek, spoke greek and had greek customs. With the exception of the rich imitating the romans, they had shit all to do with the romans except paying taxes to them.

The byzantine empire was born of the fall of the roman empire. It was a way to try and keep the empire together when it was falling apart.

>To maintain control and improve administration, various schemes to divide the work of the Roman Emperor by sharing it between individuals were tried between 285 and 324, from 337 to 350, from 364 to 392, and again between 395 and 480. Although the administrative subdivisions varied, they generally involved a division of labour between East and West. Each division was a form of power-sharing (or even job-sharing), for the ultimate imperium was not divisible and therefore the empire remained legally one state—although the co-emperors often saw each other as rivals or enemies.

The division was east and west because, guess what, the east was GREEK and the west was LATIN

>The Imperium Romanum Pars Orientis remained the eastern half of the roman empire
The eastern provinces of the roman empire stopped being part of the roman empire because the roman empire stopped existing. Not hard

reminder that khergits are the true heirs of calradia

>>148765850
>shit all to do with the romans
yeah except for roman laws, institutions, justice, extensive loanwords from latin, shared history, and you know, direct political succession and Roman Identity

>greeks
almost nobody considered themselves greek from 400 AD until 1800 AD
even the greek language was called "Romaic" at the time

your 19th century esque byzantine denialism is amusing and all but no modern historian would agree with you

will Warsword ever fucking update? I'm waiting for their next """"Hotfix"""" and it's been over a month or so. I want to play it, but it has some major issues.

>>148766637
come on anon, these guys are spending their time making something for FREE, and you're complaining!!?? looks like you have a lot of growing up to do

>>148764578
>Was the direct descedendant of roman culture, made in rome by the romans.
You don't even know who the Latins are, do you?

>rest of the wall of text
Irrelevant, the Roman Empire before him formally split the RE into the Pars Occidentalis and Pars Orientis. Your logic does not matter. They were recognized as Romans by the Roman Emperor, they were ruled by a Roman Emperor, and they were once a part of the Roman Empire and remained part of the Roman Empire, ruled under one of the two administrative sectors.
You need to address this point, because it was, formally speaking, just as much of a Roman Empire as the Western one. Neither was subordinate to the other, so it logically follows - regardless of what your interpretation or logic - that both sides are the Roman Empire, and that the loss of either does not in any way diminish the Roma-ness of the other.

>>148765850
This is some autism, but show me where the dissolution of the Roman Empire occurred, where the Roman Emperor stopped existing. Everything else is completely irrelevant.
As it were, if we split the United States of America into the East and the West, then razed the East to the ground, then would the West still be part of the United States of America? It holds none of the original territory, nor the capital. Same shit, the Western US is obviously still the western US, their peoples are still Americans, their culture is still American, and it doesn't matter if they start speaking Spanish, for they remain, in essence, Americans.
Now you'll obviously pull the "but they're still in America", but they don't even hold all of it! If the Roman Empire held only one forum in Rome and territory elsewhere, are they still the Roman Empire or by your logic would they be the Empire of the Third Forum in the Western Corner of Rome?

>>148766853
>are they still the Roman Empire or by your logic would they be the Empire of the Third Forum in the Western Corner of Rome?
Speaking of which, the Pope technically answered to the Byzantine Emperor up until the 700s.

>>148767102
>pope
wasn't he just Bishop of Rome at the time?

>>148767371
Same shit, one of the five Sees.
Speaking of which the Pope has literally zero basis for breaking off and I'm pretty sure that's the main difference with Orthodoxy so fuck him.

>>148766836
Yep, and I will continue to. You don't make promises to have things done in a speedy manner. Maybe if they spent less time sperging on the forums it would be done by now.

>>148766421
>yeah except for roman laws
Look lad, just because you we use the french principles of the french revolution doesn't make me french.
Otherwise we can argue that the ostrogoths, visigoths and all the other people who adopted roman laws are romans too.

>institutions
As with laws, when the roman empire fell, they were left to fend for themselves. They didn't scrap everything they had to live in chaos and anarchy, that doesn't make it them romans. Britons and basically everyone in the roman empire lived under the roman empire and institutions, that doesn't make them roman.

> shared history
Conquering and enslaving someone is as much shared history as the spanish have with the aztecs. The shared history is a history of greek subordination to the roman conquerors. Same shared history the russians and mongols have.

>direct political succession
Well, there wasn't direct political succession without owning the capital. For example, one of the most important bodies or institutions, immovable, was the roman senate. It stayed in place and continued working under Odoacer. There's no political succession here.

>Roman Identity
You mean the literally
>I feel roman so i'm roman
shit?

>>148766853
>You don't even know who the Latins are, do you?
Nice ad hominem.
>literally nitpicking and ignoring everything
kek

>almost nobody considered themselves greek
Hellenic or whatever city state they came from
Not that it matters anyway, considering yourself something or not doens't change what you are

What is amusing is literally shoving sources down your throat just for you to ignore it because
>muh feels, I feel roman

>no modern historian would agree with you
I just cited several modern historians.

>formally split the RE
> for the ultimate imperium was not divisible and therefore the empire remained legally one state—although the co-emperors often saw each other as rivals or enemies.
>he didn't read shit

/mbg/ - Historical Discourse

But do continue it's actually pretty interesting.

khergits = turks
sarranids = turks
vaegirs = turks
rhodoks = mountain turks
nords = gokturks (look up the turkic runes)
swadians = turks as well (sun language theory)

reminder that calradia is turkey and that the great pan-turkic empire will be restored just like ataturk envisioned

>>148766853
>Neither was subordinate to the other
It was, legally. It wasn't de facto because power was shared because the empire was falling apart.

>This is some autism
Facts, sources and actual arguments may sound autistic for the uneducated. :^)

> but show me where the dissolution of the Roman Empire occurred
476 with the fall of rome.
When the capital of the roman empire lost its power over the rest of the provinces, all it was left was a bunch of claimants trying to get some glory. They ultimately failed.

>As it were, if we split the United States of America into the East
>Comparing modern nation states to the roman empire
I understand everything now, you are legitimately retarded.

>literally has to back down to a false analogy to keep his argument
kek

>>148767637
>hellenic or whatever city state
nope, all those identities were already subsumed by 400s except for a minority of diehard educated antiquarians. they were all romans that spoke romaic

>muh feels
by this logic the only true romans are the people within some shitty city with a population of 30,000 c.400 AD
roman identity had long since evolved beyond being a citizen of some shitty city, all the subjects of the empire were considered roman by the time of the late empire

>>148767596
He's memeing, just like the Byzantine denial autist.
I refuse to believe that anyone actually thinks the Byzantines didn't have direct political connection to Rome. Sure you can argue that at some point it resembled the old one less and less or something but it's the same fucking entity.

>>148767637
>ad hominem
This isn't an ad hominem, I'm legitimately asking if you know who the Latins are, because it doesn't mean the same thing as Romans.

>nitpicking
Where am I nitpicking? It's literally the only thing that matters. We can debate the rest but that's only a debate on how closely they resembled the old Empire, not whether or not they ARE the Empire.

>Hellenic
If you were a Roman Citizen you were Roman, period. This isn't up for debate, you don't get to say [x] isn't a Roman because he doesn't meet your arbitrary standards for being Roman, culture wasn't standard throughout the Empire unless you pretend literally the only Romans in the entire place were in Italia.

>sources
You didn't provide any, I'm scanning your posts and see no sources or links, you're quoting things from Wikipedia and wherever else.

>not formally split
The administration was formally split, Honorius and Arcadius were Co-Augustii and ruled separate halves of the damn Empire. Are you going to pretend they ruled separate halves and yet somehow those halves didn't exist?

>imperium was not divisible
Similar to to the way Christ combines Human and Divine for lack of a better analogy, both are equally Roman, both constitute that which is Roman, and neither is superior to or inferior to the other, they're separate yet indistinguishable.

>>148768105
>it was, legally
No, it wasn't. There was no distinction, legally, between the empires, separate but indivisible and indistinguishable, both the halves of the Imperium.

>comparing modern nation states...
Mainly because you literally cannot get it into your thick skull that moving east doesn't make an Imperium no longer an imperium.

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>>148767814

>>148726228
1) He will not automatically join you at the start of the rebellion. He might later though, same as any other Swadian lord.
2) Your wife automatically joins your faction (assuming you're playing vanilla/don't marry a woman with her own troops). Her father won't automatically hate you just because war is declared.

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>>148768431
>nope, all those identities were already subsumed by 400s
Wrong again. Not that it's like something ou can prove anyway, or that it matters. Just because you think you are roman because your greek government calls your roman doesn't make you one.

>he only true romans are the people
Yes, now you are getting. The romans were the people who were born in Rome, or frequently the cities and villages nearby, whose his fathers were born there and his fathers fathers. They built an empire, based off rome, and spread their own culture and language in europe. The empire they built ultimately fell.

Those are the romans. Romans still exist, they still live in their own city.

>roman identity
There you go again, speaking like you know how people identified themselves and "I feel roman so I'm roman" crap

>>148769390
Having a political connection to rome doesn't make you into rome. Being conquered by rome doesn't make you into rome.

You seem incapable of understanding the difference.

>This isn't an ad hominem,
Yes, it is.

>Where am I nitpicking?
The fact that you are ignoring everything else.

>If you were a Roman Citizen you were Roman, period
No, if you are a roman citizen you are a roman citizen. When the entity that gives you citizenship crumbles, you stop being a citizen of that entity.

>arbitrary standards
wew

By your logic, btw, since all male persons in the roman empire were declared by Marcus Aurelius Antonius everyone and their mothers that used to be in the borders of the Roman Empire became roman so all sucessor states, including ostrogoths kingdoms, egypt et al were rome.

>You didn't provide any
Then I'm sorry to say but you are going blind. Bot going to waste space spoonfeeding you common shit anyone who isn't a byzaboo knows.

>The administration was formally split
They split de facto, not de jure. For reasons already explained, but you don't seem to understand the difference.

>>148769390
>Similar to to the way Christ
wew, what a retard
Yes, it was not divisible. It wasn't divided, someone chopped half, it died.

>There was no distinction, legally,
>The administration was formally split
You are contradiction yourself now
You are agreeing and disagreeing with me in the same post, top kek

>that moving east
Nothing was moved east. The empire crumbled when it lost its capital. The eastern provinces weren't as affected, so they keep claiming the empire was alive.

It's like if the UK was conquered by Germany and WW2 and after peace Canada changed it's name to the United Kingdom of Wales, Scotland and Ireland.

>>148761618
>There isn't direct political continuation without owning Rome.
Numerous political entities have continued to exist after losing their capital or even most of their country really.

Like France in WW2.

>>148771534
France existed as a government in exiled in their allies. It's different.
Byzantium wasn't a government in exile during a world war because of an occupied territory. It was a collection of provinces that were put under adminstrative division of someone else to try and stop the destruction of the empire and when the empire fell, they claimed they were that empire. But they weren't. They were something else, thus we call it the byzantine empire.

>>148770585
>Yes, it is.
Asking you if you know what something is is now ad hominem? I guess I've been being insulted throughout my entire life by schoolteachers asking me if we've learned this material before or by uni professors asking if we've covered this in other classes.

>the fact that you are ignoring everything else
Why yes, because as I've just justified, nothing else matters.

>if you are a roman citizen..
Are you actually arguing that Roman Citizens cannot be considered Romans?

>wew
No argument? You're actually saying that the only Romans in the entire Empire were in Italy and bits of Gaul?
You heard it here folks, there were no Romans anywhere but Italy, or perhaps only in Rome proper, despite emperors often being fucking barbarians!

>By your logic, btw...

None of them claimed to be Roman, and none of them enjoy direct ties to the Roman Empire as a descendant.

>you are going blind
>I'm not going to provide it
I know you have them, since you're posting screenshots, so I'm not going to pretend you don't have any, but you're actually not giving any sources.

>de facto not de jure
Irrelevant, because formally the co-augustii Arcadius and Honorius had authority over half the Empire, each. Losing half the Empire doesn't mean you lost the whole thing. Han China continued until Cao Pi's time without most of its territory. Song China continued without it's entire northern half. Rome continued without the City of Rome.

>>148770962
>someone chopped it in half
See above.

>contradiction
It wasn't legally split but the entire idea that you have two emperors each in charge of one half is a formal split.

>Canada
No it would be as if Britain were exiled to Ireland and continued calling itself Britain, which is fine if a bit weird seeing as there are de-jure Crowns of England / Scotland / Wales that it owns no territory in.

>>148771824
NOBODY called it that when it existed.

>>148771994
I'm going to sleep btw, the sun is rising here.

Here's what I don't get about the Collapse argument. You've got shit like Hungary or the repeated partitions of Poland where a lot of their shit gets pawned off to other people, the shrink to tiny lands and sometimes core lands disappear, but they're still themselves, if very much diminished.
Thinking of the Roman Empire as a whole, what happened was it got fucked up in places and held on in others, and the East was at that point already considered "essential" land, on part with North Africa, Iberia, or Gaul.
Then shouldn't we just say that the "Byzantine" empire was just a much-diminished but still powerful Roman Empire that had lost much of its territory?

>>148733928
fat

>>148771994
>Asking you if you know what something is is now ad hominem?
Stop pretending to be retarded.

>Why yes, because as I've just justified, nothing else matters.
You didn't justify shit.

>Are you actually arguing that Roman Citizens cannot be considered Romans?
Let me explain for you them. Roman citizenship was issued by the senate of rome and derived power from the senate of rome. It's only as valid long as the senate and the power structure deriving from it exists.
If you are a citizen of the US and the US is suddenly wiped out, your citizenship stops existing with it. Yes, that's how it works. That's how people become stateless.

>You heard it here folks,
Nice strawman.

>None of them claimed to be Roman
So by your logic, you only need a citizenship and claim to be roman, that automagically makes you roman forever.

> of them enjoy direct ties to the Roman Empir
They enjoyed as much as byzantium.

> since you're posting screenshots
Yes, there's something called google. use it.
I'm not going to spoonfeed you sources, especially in a discussion where I'm the only one bringing it.

>Irrelevant
There you go again, being retarded. It's the whole point.

>Han China continued
China as a unified state didn't exist during the warring states period. Each lord was the ruler of his own state.

>Rome continued without the City of Rome.
Not the city of rome, the whole core of the roman empire. The Italian peninsula, and the whole source of legitimacy for their citizens: the senate.

>See above.
Not an argument.

>It wasn't legally split
Thanks for repeating what I said and contradicting yourself again.


>NOBODY called it
No, they called it the "Empire of the Greeks" in the west. The only persons who called greeks "romans" were the arabs, but that's because they desired the title and knew shit about what happened,
Byzantine is a modern word, yes, used to make a difference between the roman empire and the provinces that broke off of it when it fell.

Can these turbo autists arguing about Roman ethnicity and whatnot fuck off please? Thanks.

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>want to play mountain blade
>mountain vanilla is too bland
>mountain weeb is too hectic
>have a solid campaign going on from half a year ago but cant remember what is going on
>dont want to restart either
this is suffering

>>148772848
Nation-states are something else entirely.
But lets develop your argument: as long as poles exist, they can form their own state. But pole isn't the black guy who speaks arabic, a pole speaks polish, war born in poland, from parents born in poland with parents born in poland.
They are a group of people.
But the romans and the greeks are different. They are born in different places, they speak different languages and they have different cultures. They only used to share an empire because the romans bent them over and fucked them.
So a better example is Austria-Hungary. Imagine that if, after losing the Austrian part, the Hungarians started calling themselves Austrians (or even better, Viennans) and their state "Austria". Sure, they once shared a country, but Hungarians aren't Austrians and Hungary isn't Austria.

>>148764462
>announce paradox arctic
>literally does nothing
wew

>>148734030
Equipment balance is the one thing that still needs updating; each tier of troop has the potential equipment limited to the highest value equipment used by other troops in the game of the same or lower tier, but it's still pretty OP if you pick the best items for each category. Sword sisters have plate armour for example, so you can get that as soon as they pass sword sister level. I have to add in either a limited pool of funds for the entire set of equipment, troop wages rising strongly with equipment value or both.

>>148774203
But how you simulate how much money is paid for the upgrade or you don't at all, I mena if I make sword sisters full of weapons but naked, how's the overall price calculated?

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What file is the character creation regulated in?

I want to import native character creation into a mod that has it's own faces

Just copying the assets isn't enough because then changing the eye brow height makes the jaw wider instead of changing the eyebrows for example

>>148734030
Oh and persistent troop identities is my other mod where each individual soldier has a name and stats tracked over time, etc. Their face and equipment persists across battles and they can pick up items from the individual enemies that they personally took down.

>>148774397
That sounds really, really awesome, but what about the load? thousands of soldiers - living, picking up shit, dying, being replaced, start again

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>Silverstag
>ecorting caravans
>easy money and xp
>reach Khudan and take next mission to wercheg
>meet some sea raiders
>50 them vs 30 me
>they think they are some hot shit and throwing their axes
>get killed
>fail escort quest
>now doing escort between Praven and Suno
>for easy living
>mfw

What is the reason you guys hate ACOK, it's actually the best mod amongst ones I tried to play, so far I tried floris, pop and ad1(random number(no plate armor)), yes stumble and stats changing sucks, but its kinda realistic that you fucking fall if you are not atleast a little athletic and the stats changing kinda balance each other out after some time, you are at 0 gain/loss...

>>148775130
I need to give ACOK a fair try, but I have to agree with you in some points. I didn't give PoP a fair try either but flors and ad1257 are shit.

>>148774380
well the character creation is the same but the base mesh is different
i imagine skins.txt and the resource files that have the heads/faces

>>148775130
>but its kinda realistic that you fucking fall if you are not atleast a little athletic
And? Realism doesn't always make for a better video game experience.

>>148775130
because it's only interesting if you're a GoTfag
>but its kinda realistic that you fucking fall if you are not atleast a little athletic
just because it's realistic doesn't mean it's a good idea

>>148775289
pop has a good idea, but it's too damn hard, it's not hard the right way, it's what I like to call the artificial difficulty, like dark souls, it's not hard because it's hard, it's hard because it's unfair and sometimes god damn laughable shit unfair....

>>148775130
The stumble fall and loose stats isn't that bad, but random event with no right answer is horrible.

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>>148775630
git gud cyka

>>148775525
>>148775616
got 4 ath on my char now, I barely ever fall

>>148775670
It's just a dice roll man, like in real world, sometimes a drunk guy is a real sweetheart, sometimes he smashes your head with a bottle, that's just how it is...

>>148775339
Ah thanks anon, I forgot the skins.txt and that made it all goofy

>>148776007
>force people to get a stat because you're too much of a fag to set it to an option
the brytenwalda team realized how stupid that shit was and didn't even implement it to VC

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>>148775630
>...
I guess you´re new here, who on reddit linked you to this thread
>its hard
its only hard if you dont know what you´re doing or ctrl+space carelessly

there are some parts I agree are bullshit like initial sieges or your own and the excessively giant merc armies, or the absolutely fucked noldor tournaments, but the base game is barely harder than vanilla
you just feel it more when your weapons and armor are shit because those matter for a change

>>148776427
actually PoP just has really high RCM values and the difference between top tier troops and regulars is the difference between t2 troops and lords in native
not to mention the demon guys who have huge amounts of health

>>148776427
Nigga when I full charge couched lance I expect to btfo the other guy, but no bcoz he is elite snek worshipper in elite snek armor, fuck that shit nigga you got 750 kilogram delivered to your chest, get down !

>>148776007
>It's just a dice roll man

No really, there is one or 2 events that you can't win and get permanent stat loss.

>>148776792
so you're telling me that you can actually learn to behave in those situations in time, like in real life, wow *leepicsmileyface*

>>148776736
>muh vanilla meta
learn to adapt fgt

I bet you also whine about shields in Geko

>>148777162
I don't do weeb shit
Also it's not meta, it's a fact, when you start to weigh 10 times more towards the back, than you do towards the ground, you tend to fall backwards.

>>148777162
couching is one of the only ways to deal the most amount of damage in a single hit, along with pike bracing
it's pretty fitting for PoP when everything has huge health pools and armor

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>>148777046
yes

>>148775630
>artificial difficulty
Not this dumb shit again.

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Are there troop trees for the modified upstab-Anon Tocan's in the OP pastebin?

Troops are all different and I want me some troop trees to see what's going on

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>tfw the Roach Rebellion is starting again and Bannerlord is doomed

That will teach me to expect anything from roaches.

>>148779647
>the ride never ends

>>148779647
If you're in the US you can be happy if you still have internet by the time Bannerlord is out and the race war is in full swing

>>148780453
>Implying bannerlord will ever come out

How are you preparing for the race war friend? I need to get some more ammo myself.

So, has anyone from Taleworlds actually posted online since the incident in Turkey happened?

>>148782080
theyve been purged by alluhu snackbars

>>148779647
>the Roach Rebellion is starting again
Really?

Guys is Taleworlds alright?

>>148782704
im pretty sure everyone likes mount and butter, i dont think they have anything to worry about

what mods change how arenas or tournaments work?
so far the only ones i know of are
1257
1429
l'aigle

>>148783109
>Implying mudshits care

entertainment is halal infidel slime, the great prophet will give you eternal punishment

unless you're talking about raping children, that's free game.

>>148783661
I thought bad things were haram and good ones halal

>>148783303
sands of faith

>>148784421
caught you mohommad

>>148784449
what'd they do instead?
also forgot WFAS changed them

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>>148785036
Same as floris

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>>148785126

>>148785126
>>148785356
not a fan of the vanilla moshpit style

i have got to be the biggest fucking idiot

can crush through blocks means delivering damage even if your opponent is blocking

not actually destroying blocks of material, making holes in walls etc.

fucks sake

>>148779115
i never made one, sorry
i was hoping the naming convention of the troops would make the tiers more obvious though

>>148787295
>making holes in walls

dude fucking what lmfao

were you thinking it meant crushing literal blocks was possible? are you playing fucking minecraft

>>148787426
Nah, it's ok, I'm getting by just fine
I like troop trees though

Are Vaegirs good at anything?

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>>148787295
>not actually destroying blocks of material, making holes in walls etc.
You weren't kidding when you said you're the biggest fucking idiot

>>148787507
refer to the first line and
>>148787830

>>148787809
>I like troop trees though
glad to hear it, i never got much feedback on that mod
>Are Vaegirs good at anything?
their axemen get bardiches which are pretty good, especially since they have good reach
they get cavalry archers as well as skirmishers

>>148783661
but isis plays vidya games, im sure they probably attend many feasts

>>148787996
The mod itself is pretty good, it's an upgrade to native without any stupid shit and I'm enjoying that

I went a bit autistic with the new faces being too big and clipping through the hair though, so after fucking around with the models and moving the hair around a bit I imported Native faces and that worked out well

Can you tell me what file has the plant models in them? Or is it just the native ones?
I saw some plants and trees glowing really bright at night, I've seen it happen with other mods as well but I figured I might as well try different models to see if anything happens

>>148788457
>in them
are in

>>148788457
yeah i didn't add the faces or any plant stuff, that was what tocan's did originally so i didn't change any of those
i just looked through the assets and i didn't see anything relating to plants, so maybe it's something to do with the shader files, dunno

Anyone else play Brytenwalda? For some reason every marketplace I visit they have no items but a single pair of leather boots or tunics. That is it. Every place I visit and I'm not sure if this is a bug or something (I'm sure it is) because I'm stuck with 40k but no items.

Noob modder here. Does commented (with # or ##s) lines hold any meaning on .py files? Could I just get rid of them?

>>148788842
>looked through the assets and i didn't see anything relating to plants

Yeah that's what I did, that's why I was wondering if you might know anything

I'll maybe try and fuck around with shaders or something later on, right now it's really not very bothersome and it might very well just be some setting on my end

>>148789647
there's an easter egg in the chest in rivacheg

>>148789220
They're just information for your benefit. You can delete them and nothing will happen.

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>can only make a select few mods do this
feels bad man

>>148791930
why only a select few

>>148792283
have to replace the sideswings of one of the three weapon types
i replace 2h since 2h axes/clubs can use the polearm sideswings, but if a mod has a 2h sword in it then it's either take out the 2h sword or don't add the sideswings in

>>148792407
Ah, you meant the 2 side attacks.

I was wondering why most of the upstab mods didn't have that - it was really cool to do in Caribbean.

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>>148792576
yep, it's annoying since they're really useful, especially the left butt swing
the right one isn't as useful and i've considered replacing it with a right stab but i didn't find that necessary

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What are good mods that include firearms?

>>148793304
Gekonewer is aight and has a fair amount of guns in like 1568 Japan. And a player-only way to recruit portuguese soldiers, who will have firearms.

Just be prepared for most clans having 90% similar troop trees, if such things bother you.

Why is Tocan's Calradia by Upstabanon called "Way of the Sword" (well, the folder is named that)
Does normal Tocan's Calradia do that?

>>148794070
because it was the really old name for M&B and i'm uncreative

>>148794223
>because it was the really old name for M&B
Huh, interesting. Didn't know that.

>and i'm uncreative
That's fair.

>>148793824
What's Gekonewer like compared to Gekokujo?

>>148794601
The changes.txt file for gekonewer has

>Larger Parties for Lords, Player & garrisons
>Yari's & spears are now purely thrust weapons but now have an additional thrust attack replacing overhead swing (aka Upstab)
>Good relations with villages give even more recruits
>Much more morale from leadership
>More morale from food
>Increased betting amounts @ tournaments
>Increased payouts for arena fights
>Increased income from businesses
>Prettier Faces built in (aka LoliMod)
>Historically Accurate Kenshin Uesugi & Date Masamune are the pretenders for thier clans
>All factions either get a third Hatamoto unit OR a a special unit beyond Hatamoto
>Western troops can be recruited at Tsushima off the coast of Kyushu after you capture it
>Towns on Kyushu have a selection of rare nanban imports
>All those nice armors from the original GekokujoNew plus some ones that were in it but never used
>Better banners for Oda & Takeda
>Skirmishers no longer effected by random weapon script
>Yokai units can be recruited from Sado Island


Pretty sure it also added some unique units, like Takeda Fire Cavalry, or the Chosokabe Bow Hero

>>148756470
Can you share your changes, please?

>>148795584
I ended up importing native faces

I got some of the hair pretty good and did a shit job with others, but the thing is that as soon as the troops move a little farther away the hair model changes and it looks all fucked again, and correcting those would be a pain in the ass because you can't even check in the character creator how you are doing
The skulls are funky shapes too, some of the hair looks kind of retarded because I had to make it all high and whatnot

To import native faces you replace the skins.txt and look in the shared resources folder (in the M&B folder, not in the modules) for textures_face_gen, materials_face_gen and meshes_face_gen and put those into the Way of the Sword resources folder

Now everybody looks like they do in native and nobody is going bald

Why doesn't Armagan move to Germany like the Crytek founders?

I edited the poleaxe so I could swing it while on horseback

the reach of that thing is just mind boggling

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>>148779115
>>148787426
>>148787996
whoops I might be straight stupid after all, there's troop trees in the game

You can't see the very bottom but you can guess what's there based on the troops you have and stuff

>>148797778
what the fuck i didn't even know that

Merging mods is a tedious nightmare.

>>148798851
God be with ye.

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>>148798497
it's under the reports, I'm not sure how I didn't see that earlier

I guess the mod generates it itself

>>148798851
it really fucking is

>just paste everything into a folder and run mod merger ;^)

>>148799010
problem is it's kinda fucked up and doesn't display the progression on some of the trees correctly
i don't know if that's because of the amount of branches or just because of how this troop viewer works
the one in VC is better, you could implement it too but you need source

any news on Taleworld devs?

>>148801821
Dead.

>>148802132
us too thanks

>>148742710
>>148742852

>Erdogan Khan has conferred the honor of the fief unto Erdogan Khan

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ded

Why can't they at least make a Steam page for Bannerlord

That would make it more real you know

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I'm posting George Washington until we get a good American Revolution mod.

>>148811027
Just play Gabby's mod.

>>148811027
finish gabby's mod for him

>>148812004
>>148812167
read the filename

>>148742710
How do you take yourself prisoner?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h_hS0d4vqg

>>148813330
by getting a job

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>>148802132
Please don't say that.

>>148814938
Bannerlord is NEVER EVER coming out now.

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>>148816386
Bannerlord is the ONLY video game I am looking forward to though...

>>148816563
Well, you can play it if you die and go to heaven.

anyone remember if hispania 1200 used PBOD or was it just vanilla formations

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>>148816563
If my parents weren't alive Bannerlord would be the only thing keeping me from offing myself

who here can rel8

>>148816830
I refuse to accept this.

>>148816830
don't say things like that dude

>>148816940
Things keeping me alive.

1. Mom needs me.
2. Bannerlord.
3. Bannerlord mods.
4. M&B 3 in the future.

So any reason I should buy the original M&B or should I just skip it and get warband?

>>148817000
>>148817085
It's time to accept reality. Bannerlord is dead.

>>148817427
Get Warband, it's basically the same game only that Warband is better in literally every way

>Frank normally shitposts on Twitter all day every day
>Still no tweets since the coup

He's actually dead isn't he lads?

>>148787295
>can crush through blocks means delivering damage even if your opponent is blocking
>not actually destroying blocks of material, making holes in walls etc.
>making holes in walls
Just think of you, peasant with a fucking crossbow waiting in a siege, in the fucking hell that is war, crying and missing home, just to look up and see your commander trying to breach a castle by destroying a wall with a fucking warhammer

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>>148817879

>>148792761
get the fuck out of my tavern you taffer

which of gabby's mods are the most complete?