/tsg/ - The Sims General

I had problems with TS4 and the "time warp" bug months ago, causing me to stop playing. This is the bug where the clock keeps moving forward, even if you pause it, but the characters just stand there and won't perform any action. You have to CTRL-ALT-DEL out of it.

Anyway, I started playing and had the same bug come up. At 5am game-time, in 'Open' restaurants, it would time-warp. Every single time.

I spent 3 hours trouble shooting and found the culprit - Master Commander's Population module. I am guessing the game generates Sims at 5am, and something with how MC's Population module interacts with that causes a hang.

>>147878795

Oh, and this only happens on hugely populated lots where there is 10+ NPCs. Like the game is creating new NPCs to deal with the increased demand.

Will the g4tw version of ts3 run better than the MR DJ repack?

3 posts and nearly dead again.

NOT ON MY WATCH

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>>147880860
we'll keep this thread alive together anon

Who else here is glad that there's an anon developing a sims clone?

>>147882302
>developing a sims clone
please clarify

>>147882383
They're making a game like the Sims and they're making it in Unreal Engine, So far they've got free-form lot sizes and open world, and plan on adding terraforming. I also suggested it them that character creation have sliders for gender, age, body type and height, the age slider would also allow for linear aging instead of separate life states

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So I'm trying (emphasis on trying) to introduce functional newspapers back into the game (nothing fancy, just trying to add random popup messages to the newspaper machine world objects - pic related).

Ideally the mod will have the following options:
>Read Newspaper (SimCity Chronicle or National Simquirer - each newspaper has different types of headlines, either politics/sports/current events, or paranormal/celebrity stuff)
>Find a Job (Sim opens up their phone and the job menu pops up)
>Read Obituaries (identical to the computer interaction, available if Sad)
But fuck me if it isn't ridiculously hard to implement. No matter what I do, my Sims can't interact with the object at all. It's driving me insane.

>>147882605
>sliders for gender,

dafuq

>>147883757
There would be a slider that makes your "sim" either male or female and can be used for minute adjustments in body type and such. It would also be a lot less clunky than EA's gender menu

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STILL NO FUCKEN DINE OUT CRACK. IT'S MAKING ME ANGER!

>>147885346
Shit's crazy. I've spent the last 3 days or so deciding whether or not to just buy these goddamn packs, and trying to find a key site that isn't gonna screw me.

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>>147882605
Sounds neat, any link I can follow to read up more on it?

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>>147885346

No crack, no updates, no nothing on the pirate scene. There's nothing past Get Together. It's kind of hard to believe.

Either they've been beaten by Origin (ha!) or they just don't give a shit.

>>147885724
Check here: https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/147456615/

And here: https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/147341391/

>>147885346

maek angry poop

How do you make the sims 4 fun?

>>147885930
My bets are on a combination of both.

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Marypost.

I haven't touched the game since Dine Out released.

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bump

>>147888539

Some Mary is always nice.

>>147890617

>"I've been watching you masturbate - and I gotta say, you're pretty good."

>>147890617

scary

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Adopted Asian cuckdaughter just graduated from college.

Time to become botbuilder.

>>147891824
>yfw robots in ts4 are built via 3d printers

>>147888539
I'm in love with mary

>>147891824
Man, I miss the old regular telescopes. WTF were they thinking when they made that ridiculous observatory shit? Why can't I just have a fucking telescope on tripod?

>>147893594
And the arcade machine that takes up an entire room.

Fuck, I hate how huge objects in this game are.

>>147885930

They care. Just not as much as they did for previous games - the ones that were good enough to have a following. I mean, just look how fast this General dies. The game has hardly any following. They'll so it eventually, but they are in no rush. They might want another few months for a few more packs.

It's not like they're getting paid or anything. If the demand isn't there, they will focus their efforts on better games.

I am not poor anymore so I actually buy them. But I stole 1, 2, and 3 and hundreds of other games when the money wasn't there.

For the people dying for Dine Out, let me tell you - from a veteran of every sims-style game from Play to Medieval to Stories to the 1/2/3/4 - It's really just filler. Owning a restaurant is basically a click-factory. You just walk around clicking "Welcome" "Check on table" "Recommend Dish" and "Praise". The construction elements are the same as always, and the diner-specific customization like Menus is really not as interesting as it sounds. There is no point in even reading the names. You assign them by price. There is no smart calculations done based on theme or anything. All that matters is price and difficulty rating (1 to 5).

Visiting restaurants feels very redundant. Like I've done it hundreds of times in other Sims games. Nothing special.

I've parsed the tuning at length, as a modder, and the mechanics behind the restaurants are ridiculously amateur. For example, the star rating of customers is based on invisible happiness buffs. When you welcome them (+1 Happy), when the deco is Beautiful (+3 Happy), if the Hostess is in a bad mood when checking in a customer (+1 Angry), if the live music is good (+2 Happy) ... the entire star-rating they give your restaurant is derived from simple Happiness buffs. The same as your character gets from listening to music, good decorations, or positive socials. It is not nearly as complex as they make it seem.

And that sums up the entire pack - not nearly as complex as they make it seem. You're not missing anything just because it's not cracked. You can definitely wait and not buy it.

>>147894591

Oh, and for those excited about building a restaurant, let me shatter those dreams - The only way you'll get a 5 star rating is to put the hostess station and cookers in the middle of a circle of tables. This is to minimize the travel time to the tables, and is especially important for the hostess.

I mean, feel free to put the cookers in their own room in the back the hostess station by the front door 30-steps away from the tables, but you'll never hit a consistent 5-star rating like that.

You will also need to do 2 socials with every single guest for 5 stars. Also, socials are worth 25 perk points each and required to buy perks. And perks are absolutely necessary or you will never, ever turn a profit since there are 6 that increase revenue. And keeping the tables and hostess station clustered makes for less travel time for yourself since you'll be constantly on the move doing socials.

if you design a restaurant just to be pretty and not efficient, that's up to you. But don't be surprised when you can't break 3 stars.

>>147894591
>basically a click-factory
That's the sims series in general m8

>>147893803

They made objects huge to compensate for their being less of them.

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>>147894591
>>147895161
Well, at least they didn't make an expansion out of it. The only thing I'd be particularly interested on is if they make a seasons pack or a new vacation world.

>>147894591
As a pirate, I'm wanting the lighting update and romantic garden/the hippie stuff. It's not just Dine Out we're behind on.

>>147897195
As a pirate i'd like to have everything.

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>tfw you keep finding fat men in dresses parading around your town when they're not supposed to be there

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>>147894591
Norman's sister and brother in law got in a heated argument in my restaurants early days

>>147899785
They probably needed to have angry sex

>>147900206
They both come in frequently with different people. Claudes grandpas were flirting once

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>>147899785
>>147900206
>>147901167

>>147901883
The entire family are always coming in. But seeing norman and all the different babes he brings in gives me joy

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>>147902146
>But seeing norman and all the different babes he brings in gives me joy
I'm glad he's living the good life in other realities.

>>147902472
Norman goes psycho when?

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>>147902536
The longer it takes for it to snow again, the more likely he will snap.

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the shit you'd see firefighting

>>147902472
I had to delete all my mods and shit so after he started coming in he was bring a few bald naked gals. I had to fix that cause, dress code ya know?

>>147904719
>he fell for the delete all your mods meme

>>147905304
Im getting a new computer tomorrow and want to slimline shit for the move.

What did the gender update do to cc clothes and hair?

My game is pirated, but I want to know for when the cracks eventually come.

>>147899639

>"But booosss, these aren't free range organic eggs! And is this real milk?! Don't you know I'm lactose intolerate? I only drink sugar free lightly sweetened gluten free soy milk! OMG! You did not just open a bag of peanuts, do you know how allergic I am to peanuts?! They could literally kill me!"
>"... this is the last time I hire a goddamn Millennial."

post waifus

>>147910226
>only millenials have allergies

wut

dead thread
dead franchise

>>147909716
I'm sure S4S will have a batch fix to fix the tables, beds, and CaS cc before we get the crack.

>want to play ts3 again
>remember all the lag

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>>147919396

>>147905304
>he fell for the delete all your mods meme

Yeah, k, as a modder, this really isn't a meme. When Dine Out came out, the first mod I made was for "Welcome" and "Check on Table" and "Recommend Dish" to all be top priority so I wouldn't have to be a click-slave, and a week later, a patch broke it. The next week, my mod that locks employee satisfaction to "Very Satisfied" so I didn't have to keep sucking their dicks to keep them in a good mood - that broke, too.

When a game is patching every week (some bigger patches than others), mods are constantly breaking. And you're depending on independent modders to keep them up to date. These aren't software companies. And I've had at least 10 normal, non-scripting mods cause game breaking bugs and corrupted saves. This absolutely happens.

It's not hard to learn how to mod. Most mods are only 1 or 2 resources, which can easily be compared to the latest patch when it comes out to see if anything has changed. You just export them in Sims 4 Studio and use DiffCompare or some other online tool to compare the mod XML and the game XML. It'll save you from destroying a 200+hour game save.

>>147917619

The occurrence of allergies has skyrocketed in the last 30 years. Particularly the peanut one. I went to school in the 70's, I'd never heard a damn peanut allergy. We didn't have schools banning peanut butter sandwiches - that didn't happen until the 2000s.

Millennials definitely have some deal with allergies that other generations do not.

>>147931743
That's because the newer generation is the most sterilized and cuddled up ever. Sterilized diapers instead of simple cloth ones, high temperature dishwashers, mothers that thrice-boil baby bottles, don't let their kids cavort in the mud, and shit like that. The poor bastards are never given the chance to develop a proper immune system.

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>>147895161

This is my waffle house that uses that same concept. The tables in the shot are the only ones in the restaurant. I've never filled them up so no need for more. The hostess never has to walk more than 5 paces away from the stand so there's just about zero wait time, and the 3 servers spend 90% of the time watching TV in the back room. I should really fire one or two.

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Bumpity

Benis!

>>147934119
The restaurant name alone deserves 5 stars.

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>>147936612
B u m p

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>>147938690

bit of false advertising, really. There are no waffles on the menu. Pancakes, French Toast, Eggs are there. But no waffles. Because EA.

On the bright side, there are certainly plenty of tits.

>page 10

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>>147942758

live entertainment?

>>147943091
>no waffles
>plenty of public woohoos

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Decided to make my loner/hates the outdoors sim become an author at an anon's recommendation.

I didn't actually know you could write books while a child.

>>147885346
dine out is shitty and broken. don't get so hyped over it.

if you want a better, cheaper restaurant experience in the sims, play TS2.

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I miss the floating heads

>>147943091
That can't be sanitary,,,

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So I come back from checking up on this kid's mum and he's standing in the sink

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Fucking snow days are the bane of my life.

This kid will age up in 2 days but he has only been to school once so his grade stayed a C and he will get a shitty trait.

Oh well, he's already on his fourth novel so who needs school.

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>>147952637

Imagine you are in a room. All of the outer walls are decorated with baseball robot pitching machines that look suspiciously like kitchen appliances, throwing baseballs with pictures of the red boxes on them. In the middle of the room is a 4' square pedestal with 2 red shoeboxes separated by a wall you can't reach around. Around you is 20 of your neighbors, all chatting each other up. In the background, you can hear someone playing a piano. You own this room and pay the staff to maintain it, the catering to feed the crowd, and the utilities to keep the lights on.

Your goal is to remove both boxes simultaneously to win $1,000,000. Only no one will help you by moving the second box because they're determined to chat/flirt/dance instead (and keep trying to suck you into it, no less) all while being smacked with projectile imagery of the boxes as a reminder. The pitching machines are just tossing balls all over the place and don't actually do anything useful and they have no chance at hitting the boxes - only people.

You are perpetually stuck in this social gathering of a black hole where everyone is stupidly oblivious to the role they are supposed to play even though you tell them again while baseballs are flying all over, and again, and again and it SO SIMPLE but they just WON'T STOP TALKING. Every day you are paying a fortune to keep these people in perpetual conversation, while only recovering the costs via whatever change they drop on the floor when they stand up and sit down every 5 minutes.

This is Dine-Out.

>>147950537

I hope there's a movie adaption, kek

>>147961570

Jesus Christ how horrifying

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>>147961570

>$200,000 restaurant, +3 Beautiful buff on every square
>capacity for 60 patrons, never had more than 8 seated at the same time
>2 servers, 2 chefs, 1 hostess, all 10/10 maxed skills
>max-difficulty meals, top quality ingredients, 300% markup
>hired skill-10 pianist and skill-10 mixologist
>5 star rating
>every guest welcomed, table-checked,meals recommended
>all perks to increase revenue and speed
>bust my ass for the lunch and dinner shifts, 11am to 11pm.

>make between $1,600-$2,800 a day
>wife makes $3,100 as a Celebrity Chef autonomously without me clicky a thing.

I need a raise. Like, at least 400% to justify the investment and effort

>>147962643

>10 customers
>4100 dollars spent

>>147952637
I would agree if it was actually possible to turn a profit from a restaurant in TS2.

>>147962643
>12 hour shift
>10 customers
How

>>147966732

That's how many sat down. On any given day, I have 30-40 people walk through my diner. I never get more than 14 or so seated. It's not that they get frustrated with the wait and leave. They just want to fuck around talking to everyone and never make it to the hostess station. They will have a "3" over their head showing they're active customers, but they never go to the hostess to be seated. Because they have zero focus.

This all stems from the terrible autonomy in Sims 4. They do the stupidest shit when left to their own devices. Modders have yet to identify how to make 1 autonomous task take priority over another every time because it's so messed up.

>>147967782

Something's got to give!

>>147967782
I think it's hilarious you sometimes see this image on serious discussions where people honestly believe it. I once saw this in printed out on a poster during a remembrance day at uni and had to force myself not to burst with laughter right then and there.

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>>147967782
ONE, nothing wrong with me.

About to commit sudoku
I've been trying to get my male sim pregnant to continue legacy challenge but he never conceives when he gets abducted. It's been like 5 hrs. Before you could get preggo in your first abduction but bitches complained that it happened too often, now EA changed the rate to like 5% what kind bs is that

>>147972140

Master Commander, Occult Module. It will let you toggle how aften abductions happen and the pregnancy percentage. As a last resort if you lose patience, you can run that just to get your sim knocked up then delete it.

>>147973692
Fuck me, I have MC and didn't realize there was an occult module.

>>147974369

Don't feel bad. Just yesterday I realized there was a Woohoo module. It's mentioned at the very bottom of the ModTheSims page as the last module, then tells you to go to their adult content site to get it. It has lots of cool options like adult/teen romance and nude woohoos/spa massages/etc.

>get new lappy
>forget to bring old one to transfer files and sims to
Well no fancy super awesome graphics sims tonight

>>147979269
You don't have an external?

>>147911085
Tamara and Cyclon3 are my favorite OTP

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I was on YouTube just now and came across this (pic related). Gave me chuckle. I guess it counts as Sims-related.

From here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsTACGVoNLw&feature=youtu.be

I'll take any chance I can get to bump TSG.

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Any good sites for clothes that actually look like they belong on the sims (none of that shiny shit)? I always dress my sims up the same after a few generations..

Help me come up with some newspaper headlines, /tsg/. For a mod.
>Willow Creek Llamacorns beat Oasis Springs Llamacorns 24-10 in sports game
>"Clear skies ahead", says city soothsayer
>This week's winning lottery numbers: 3, 11, 24, and 45 and six-eighths
>Dance fever sweeps SimNation; Smustle death toll continues to rise
>Sixam Missile Crisis enters second week; Ministry of Propaganda says "everything OK"
>Mayor's office announces funding cuts; Will they regret this?
>Arstotzkan dignitary takes wrong turn en route to embassy, refuses to ask for directions
>Newspapers "still relevant form of media", says publishing mogul
>Mayoral candidate "not funny enough", warn political cartoonists
>Is online clickbait killing the humble newspaper? The answer may surprise you!
>Sims Forever sequel announced at gaming expo; Die-hard fans stage boycott, claim "too many features"
>Annual kaiju migration levels newly-gentrified shopping district; Hipsters outraged as organic food shortage grips city
>Miss SimNation unveils new park at ribbon-cutting ceremony; Joyless citizenry temporarily placated
>Journalist stages, thwarts bank robbery as slow news day enters fourth hour
>Is nobody safe? Legally-safe pastiche of beloved 1980s horror character "can travel through dreams", says leading oneirologist
>Horror movie pastiche sighted in Granite Falls; Sims urged to avoid spooky cabins in the woods
>Johnny Knifehands strikes again! Police suspect victims "split up to cover more ground"

Is the first Sims game still worth playing?

>>147984204
Depends. It's limited as fuck, but it's not without its charm.

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>>147984204
Only for the nostalgia if you've played it before. It's a great game and has lots of fun stuff not in any of the newer sims games, but it's harder to get into w/ less customization/no generations and it's also more difficult in general.

If you're curious though then go for it. I actually just downloaded it yesterday to play..

>>147980980
Nope.
I will once i get transferred over.
I spent $3000 on this new one

>>147984204
It's still charming af and totally unique but it really is rough, keep your memories intact.

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ITT: Douchey sims, self-promoting, and a bump all at once!

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>>147981520
wish i can understand a word she's singing

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So what good are clubs for other than using club members as cleaning slaves or gym buddies, or making it seem like your kid has friends like in those anime (pic related)

>>147992635
Flavour, mostly.

I've got a secret society that dresses in robes and hangs out in the ruins and a superhero who only wears his costume during club gatherings and beats up gangsters at a seedy nightclub.

Also useful for keeping track of certain Sims. I've got one that has every member of my Sim's extended family so they can maintain relationships easily, and another that keeps track of all the disguised aliens the game generates.

>>147981520

That video. That girl. Oh my god so precious. HHHNNNNNGGG.

Also bump. We'll see if TSG can make it through the night. not betting on it

>>147992635
>other than using club members as cleaning slaves or gym buddies

Gardeners. Best damn use of club members.

Earlier today it occured to me that Get Together was an expansion. Expansion Pack. Not Game Pack, or Stuff Pack. It was meant to be a full blown Expansion Pack like World Adventures, Generations, Seasoons, and Pets. .... and it's just fucking clubs. Completely useless. That should have been a free patch into the game because it added pretty much nothing at all.

Anyway, what made me mad, was that it took the slot of a true expansion pack. EA follows this pattern - Expansion, Stuff, Stuff, Game, Stuff, Stuff, (rinse and repeat) ... we have Backyard Stuff coming then another Expansion pack right after it. But the point is, that precious expansion pack slot was wasted on Get Together. God that peeves me off.

>>147993521
Yeah I honestly don't remember what the ep brought other than clubs and Windenburg.

Get to work was.. okay. It really should have had dine out content included.

I hope the next one is good, I don't even know what I want heh (doubting Seasons or Pets yet) so..

>>147992635
Some people have been using the clubs for challenges and making school-like roleplay stuff without needing zerbu's mod. You make them into groups for classrooms/teachers instead

>>147993279
too great for this world

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>My teen sim is total cis passing scum and is a qt trap

Fuck. Also yes, I'm playing a sim legacy starting from Kim K whose son married a Mila Kunis I downloaded and ya. I love the sims 4 gallery.

>>147995265
>Yeah I honestly don't remember what the ep brought other than clubs and Windenburg.

Neither did I. SO I checked the page on Origin. That was it - Clubs and Windenburg. I don't even use Windenburg, but I there are so good families there. I value those families more than clubs. Just the NPCs. More than clubs.

The predominant line of thinking is that the next EP is either Seasons or something having to due with city life.

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>>147996972
Cis version. Idk what to do with him since he has better face genes than his brother but his brother has better body genes, kek.

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Money can't buy class.

>>147997835

I don't care what the moral majority says, adult-to-teen romance mods are awesome just because you can do stories like this.

>>147997661
Okay I checked the SimsVIP page and it made me feel less guilty for buying it.

They went into detail on all the skills/items added + hair and clothes. I still think Dine out could've been included in Get to work (for business) or Get Together (to.. go out) etc. but eh

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>>147936612
>Bumpity

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I-I'm scared

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>>147997835
>>147997965

>>147999267
What are you scared of?

>>147999519
Please keep /tsg/ alive with this

>>147999537
My sims disappointing the cougar

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>>147999267

Some guys are into MILFs. Like this beauty. I get hard just imagining what the back of her knees smell like.

>>147999934
They won't. Unless she's really that loose.

Are they doing this on a dare or something?

>>148000105
Uhh... That's more a gilf than a milf desu

>>148000458
Same

>>147999198
>tramp stamp

>tf all tattoos in game are ugly and can't make waifu a bonafide slut

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>3 generations in on Random Legacy Challenge
>Most of the unconventional careers which I keep rolling are boring to play
>Suddenly want to play a normal Legacy game
welp

>>148000450
It was their dad's birthday party and she was eyeing them. Now I need to get one of those teen-adult romance mods, also bc the other poster using pregnant Cassandra is making me chuckle.

>>148002079
For teen-adult romance you need the woohoo module for MC command center

12AM and I'm just starting CC hunting. RIP

>>148002257
Ah that's the only one I didn't have, never got an account at sexysims or whatever its' called. Thanks m9

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>>148001641
The base game is really lacking in both tats and hair dye styles. I still miss how you could color different parts of the hair in 3. I can't believe how they thought it was a good idea making the meshes on the few hairstyles that support different colors tied to specific hair colors.

>Find a ton of nice hair that doesn't make my sims look like IMVU characters
>Be optimistic for clothes
>Literally look like IMVU/second life imports

Pls... gib recommendations

>>148006069
Try looking for clayified hair or semi-clay hair

>>148006069
CC clothing is the fucking worst.
Rule of thumb, if they use an IMVU-looking Sim to model it, it will never look good on a Maxis Sim. Ever.

And that goes double for hair, makeup & accessories.

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>Unsatisfied with potential heir because he didnt inherit his father's (and grandmother's) assets
>Realize I can just add it on my own
MY DICK. New heir chosen.

>>148006741
>>148007390
Thanks guys, I just downloaded a few decent pieces from MTS. Might look at the stuff packs to see if any of them have some decent clothes & if they're worth b-buying

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Here's a list of tumblr blogs I usually visit to find new custom content
It's mostly CAS and Adult Female stuff though, so if you're looking for furniture or male outfits you may want to lurk more
But yeah most of it fits really well with Maxis's style imo, tell me what you think

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Instead of transferring my old saves over from my old computer i decided to just start anew.
God damn shit looks better.

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You may see me posting more often.
i need to sort out some stuff like why my $120 mouse wont pitch and rotate like my old one.

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>>148012249
I think the maxis match blogs in the pastebin are more male oriented.

I like the style of the sims in TS4. The clay hairs are cute.

The only game where I go for shiny anime sims is TS3 because most of the base game sims are ugly as fuck. High poly hairs don't look so out of place from the aesthetics either, as long as they aren't too shiny. Always go for base game style clothes though, since shitty 'realistic' textures on flat, poorly made meshes are the worst.

>>148004297
>12AM and I'm just starting CC hunting. RIP

I get so carried away looking for cc. I go in thinking 'all I need to get is a new hat' and I come out with 5 new hairstyles, 3 dresses, a couple of furniture sets, and some ridiculous accessories I'll never use. And usually no hat.

Is this what shopping is like when you're rich?

>>148015393

>redhead titty monster

I like your style.

>>148020779
I like tits and i like ass. So shes got all that and a teeny waist.
not sure if im going to breed her or not.

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>>147909716
speaking of the gender update, does it affect randomly generated sims as well? It'll be pretty annoying to go back and change everyone back.

>>148006069

What is IMVU?

stealth-bump

>>148030378

It's a cruder version of Second Life. Basically, if Second Life fucked tumblr while it was passed out, IMVU would be the baby they left in the dumpster.

>>148028246
Ive been having issues with sims wearing incorrect gender clothes.
Mostly mailmen and gardners wearing party dresses and shit as uniforms.
This one old guy was wearing the female club outfit for a club he was in.

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>>148020779
>>redhead titty monster
>>148023239

I you make a sim with realistic proportions, it is not as aesthetically appealing. And I don't mean in a sexual sense. I mean it just doesn't fit the cartoony Sims 4 style. It is okay to have titty-monsters in The Sims 4 because it matches, like clay hair (as they were talking about earlier).

Also, realistic proportions -
For MC Appearance, it's like this for an adult (what's in the picture):
Belly -100
Butt 60
Chest Depth 0
Chest Lift 20
Chest Size 40

Hips 0
Lower Arms 50
Lower Legs 40
Shoulders 10

Upper Legs 80
Upper Arms 100
Waist -15

.... this is pretty realistic, though still very flattering. The breasts are a super-bra'd D, the arms/legs are a little wider instead of sticks, the butt is flatter, the frame is a tad larger than YA, she is fit and slim but still within realistic bounds for a 40 year old if they take care of themselves, etc

You will immediately notice that it looks really bad once you start doing outfits. The breasts grow and shrink. They look like GGG in some outfits, and B in others. Naked, they're more like C. In a normal well-fitting shirt (60% of CAS), they're D. And the ass varies wildly depending on the type of pants, and especially skirts and dresses.

Point being, there is nothing wrong with not sticking to the cartoon vibe and making larger chests and asses. It seems like it was just meant to be, with TS4 art style.

>>148015393
>i need to sort out some stuff like why my $120 mouse wont pitch and rotate like my old one.

TS3 controls option in the game settings?

>>148028246
>speaking of the gender update, does it affect randomly generated sims as well?

Only sims you create. There will be no surprise penis parties. At least, modders haven't made them yet. I imagine if you modify the surprise-alien code, it would make for a great little mod. Lots of possibilities by using the same dialog and actions as discovering aliens.

>>148031932
Its not that. I have to calibrate it through some downloadable program apparently.
Dumb free gaming mouse with $2800 computer.

You press the middle scroll wheel button and it doesn't do shit at all.
But its late so im waiting for the morning to sort it out

>>148031824
I dont mind normal bodies in the game, i find some clothes look betterbin averagebreasts. But yeah i enjoy the extremes.

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No big boob shaming. Save the titties!

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I did this, then my first thought was "So, this is what people who cut on themselves with razors feel like"

>>148034482
There is tastefully large, firm breasts, then there is gigantic, floppy ,saggy bags of fat.

Breasts that you insure against accidents and theft, and breasts that only cause problems when not being used as sex toys.

Breasts you want to love and caress, and breasts you want to experiment with to see "What happens if I do THIS?!"

Breasts that make you look a girl's face because you want to know who owns them, and breasts where you just wonder why they look like with less covering them.

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>>148034482
Boobies? I like boobies.

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Sure are a lot of dark babies being born.

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I've been playing so much Sims 4 (finally made it to 3rd gen without getting bored as hell) but I still miss literally everything minus the lag and graphics from 3...

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>>148042676
>Get stronk desktop
>download lots of CC
>enjoy TS3 as it was always meant to be.

>>148043071
It runs fine without Nraas' SP mod, but I literally cannot enjoy the game without it. I like legacy playthroughs & want to see my spare heirs have stuff happen to them without me doing anything.

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>Spooky Day costume sex party

>>148043071
>>148043885

I'm too lazy to install the SexLab stuff, but holy shit those expressions are hilarious.

>>148042676
I hope that if a Sims 5 comes out it can combine the good parts of 3 and 4, instead of trying to squeeze more money out of players with less content.

I don't even care about the lack of CASt and open world, even with multiple expansions, 4 feels empty.

In 3 it seemed like there was always something more to explore, I've been playing it on and off since it came out and there's still things I haven't done but mean to, like the Firefighter and Ghost Hunter careers, or starting a band.

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>>148044331
you might as well just install it. There's only a couple of files that pop in just like any other CC. That being said, Oniki hasn't updated her public version since December (though she does still produce weekly-ish updates for Patreon supporters)

>>148044370

Once game franchises start going down hill, they never recover. Sims 5 will be worse than Sims 4 because all their high-paid market analysts will pinpoint exactly every little thing they can remove from Sims 4 and still be able to find suckers that will pay for it.

I bet Sims 4 sales numbers are very similar to Sims 3 (after both have been out for 18 months or however long). But no one talks about Sims 4 because it's shit. Like TSG - this is a great example. But people are still buying it. People that don't know what a good game is, or how to put pressure on the companies to perform. People who's parents or boyfriends buy all their games and expansions for them.

So, Sims 5 will be even worse. And people will still buy it. Not us, of course. But the idiots.

>>148044370
>EA
>Not squeezing us for all the money whenever possible

Top kek. It's gonna happen regardless, but I do just hope for better expansions + long throughs in 4 & in Sims 5 a good base game.


I mean idk Sims 4 has good stuff but it just can't hold me for very long.. I think get together is barely keeping me on the game actually since the Clubs can be fun at times.

>>148046551
>high-paid market analysts will pinpoint exactly every little thing they can remove from Sims 4 and still be able to find suckers that will pay for it.

I wonder how big the kid/preteen market for Sims still is. Since they barely ever figure out all the workings of the game and just fuck around with cheats and killing Sims, kids probably wouldn't notice a lot of the things that are missing from TS4.

When I was younger it was the most popular video game in my class, I remember everyone would avoid paying for it by buying a later expansion then borrowing the other discs off of friends. But does it still have a casual fanbase or is basically everyone into it now the kind of person to do challenges and mod their games?

What mods are you guys all using on TS4? Besides the big ones like MC commander.

I don't think we have a recommendation list like we did for 3 here.

>>148048949
I'm not sure about that. With all the drama in CSGO right now and Valve getting sued soon microtransactions might actually have to be regulated

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>>147997753
Alright got bored of random legacy challenge lol, so now I'm gonna do regular Legacy challenge with one of my current heirs. Don't know who to port over to new save as heir though between the brothers.

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Randomized his traits with random generator and got really good traits. Damn lucky that he loves the outdoors because he sure is gonna see a lot of it.

>>148043198
What does it do different to the regular story progression?

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>>148043198
It's the reason why TS3 runs poorly even on fairly strong rigs; nraas story progression can run every single npc's daily life in the entire neighborhood, including relationships, conflicts, sims buying cars and moving to new houses, parties, and so on, with staple personalities (like the town bully or magnate) that interact with one another.

And rather than just calculate it separately, nraas story progression pushes the npcs to the correct location. So when two sims are flirting with each other, they really took time out of their career schedule to travel to the beach and interact, and depending on how that interaction went (which, of course, the player can interfere with), determines how the relationship goes.

It's really beefy, but it's also very taxing on the CPU (especially in conjunction with other very-script-intensive mods, such as Oniki's kinky mod), though I find that relatively modern processors don't have much trouble if story progression is just set to a dozen or so sims, rather than hundreds.

>>148057414
It actually runs it well and "realistic." It pushes sims to get careers & do hobbies that match up with their LTW and traits. They actually procreate and you can set ancestral homes so you can make Landgrabb, Alto, Goth etc. families, name, and household actually last.

Then there's all the extra modules that add neighborhood ____ (tart, villain, "bike") etc., things that make them buy cars and pay child support etc. Once you play with the mod & see other sims do interesting things, it's hard to play without it.

>>148059534
Yeah, what I usually do is try to go to smaller worlds so that there are less sims for the CPU to process.

Which sims game has the best soundtrack?

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Alright this might sound kind of dumb, but how do I create new sims in CAS on an existing save? I just see the gallery option...

>>148060832
Sims 1 has the best background music and Sims 2 has the best stereo music imo.

>>148049705

Most countries do not allow subscriptions, microtransactions, or DLC on games that are sold upfront.

For example, World of Warcraft is given away in a lot of countries. They can not legally charge for the game, otherwise they can't charge a monthly subscription fee or sell DLC or in-game content.

Is sims 4 worth pirating yet?

As in, is it better than 3 with all expansions yet?

>>148063694
That depends, does your Sims 3 run fine? Sims 4 is still lacking content but it runs way better & also looks much better so eh.

>>148063982
Runs great currently

>>148064131
Meh, I guess you should try pirating it just to try it out. The sims look way better and the multi tasking (besides group convos) are great.

>>148063694
Well, pirated copies are really good value for money.

It's not BETTER than 3, but it has some features that 3 just doesn't. Camping and dining out at a restaurant just aren't in 3 at all, but are in 4, for example. But on the flip side, no pets, no toddlers, no weather, no magic, no celebrities, no time travel, no tropical resort towns.

>>148061072
>Alright this might sound kind of dumb, but how do I create new sims in CAS on an existing save? I just see the gallery option...
You gotta do it on the start screen. Which is weird.
But it'll create those Sims in whatever your most recent save is (and save them to the gallery too, if you want them in another save).

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What did /tsg/ think of Sims 2 Castaway on ps2? Game was the tits mane

>>148065810
I just want the decision made for me desu, did the majority of people here make the switch or not?

I wanna be a sheep.

>>148066114
I play TS4, yeah. TS3 has more shit, but it runs like shit and looks like it too.

The art style alone is what sold me on TS4.

>>148065985
>TS2 sims in high detail
That's kind of unsettling, somehow.

>>148066621
It's ok, the in game graphics are awful

>>148065985
Fookin loved that game man. I almost played it as much as I did Urbz and Bustin Out.

>>148065940
Ah right duh, I forgot I always see that. Thanks!

>>148065810
>Camping and dining out at a restaurant just aren't in 3 at all, but are in 4
Wow, were those never added? I switch back and forth between 2, 3, and 4 too often I forget what's not in what.

>>148066114
I think a lot of people on here made the switch and love the style of TS4 and how well it runs, but we do all agree that the amount of content is still shit. A few more patches, good game packs, and maybe at least 2 good expansions and it'll be better than 3 (content wise)

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Here Elaina (Who was the next matron but was disowned by her family for refusing to get preggo and b/c she moved in with her girlfriend) Is meeting her niece, born from her brother, Rez, and a rando alien. Her name is Maia, and she def takes after her aunt.
If you don't remember, since Elaina dropped out of the legacy it was up to her cousins, Nico, who did find a girl, but she turned out to be trans and couldn't conceive, (They're still dating though) and Celina, who decided she'd rather go to college and be successful than to be a baby mule. Leave it to Rez to find a way to continue the bloodline lol

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>>148061072
You click lot and then click this button

Or use the edit household in the household management thingy.

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Waifu found.

>>148069716
>Kiara still uses adfly instead of just setting up a patreon which would get them way more money

Do you guys know if there are any known compatibility issues with the sims 4 and windows 10?
When i was on windows 7 my game started first time everytime and now with windows 10 i have to try to start it several times before it will run.

>>148071238
>windows 10
There's your problem.

>>148072337
I didnt have a choice. I bought a brand new computer.

>>148071238
Have never had a single issue with the game on Win 10 myself.

>>148072884
Maybe its the computer then.
damnit.

>>148072650
Do yourself a favor anyway and downgrade (downgrade lol) to back to 7. 8/8.1 and 10 are literal broken garbage.

>>148073447
I have no idea how to do that.. but i may look into it.
Thanks

>cc creator uses mediafire and adfly

Is there a list in the OP that I'm not seeing of must have CC/mods or is there no such list and I'm not blind.

>>148073447
I've been using 8.1 for well over a year now and it's been fine. Really I find it faster and more stable than I did back on 7, what's wrong with it?

>>148075834
Absolutely nothing anon, other anon's is still blinded by their unreasonable love for an outdated OS. Win8 and above run/boot smoother and faster, and has better security than 7 did.

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>>148067767
Maia's super cute, idk what it is about her. I'm glad she got most of her dad's gens rather than the Pollinator's.

>>148076091
hmmm okay that makes sense. I couldn't wrap my head around the hatred for 8, here I thought it was just because of the metro thing.

Kind of want to learn how to make cc. Is it worth it?

>tfw ive failed in life so i play the sims to fulfil my shallow urges.
all i do these days is try and create a big family tree.

>>148065985
Loved it.

Had it for the Wii.

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After booting the game 8 times it started
>takes this opportunity to make a pretty restaurant
I wish Romantic Garden Stuff gave us more things to choose from

>>148078303
get some wallpaper on them walls, holy shit anon.

>>148078587
Obviously its not finished. I mean, its pretty clear its under construction

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Bump
>tfw she spills sgettis allover fancy white couch
>tfw I've been calling her Maia this house time but her name is Macie

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>>148081576
Change her name

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i wonder if i leave this unowned if a random sim will run it

>>148082094
If it's set as a restaurant they will, yes.

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I miss TS2 style proposals over a dinner table. I don't imagine that's in Dine out?

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>>148082390
Neat.
>starting the painstaking task of fully customising the sims save

>>148083095
ive only ever taken married couples to the restaurants so im not sure.. but somehow i doubt it

>>148083095
It's not.

>>148083095
>I miss TS2 style proposals over a dinner table.
Wow I didn't know that was in there.

I forgot about falling asleep in their food too.

Fuck.

Sims 3 feels like such shit without all that stuff.

They kinda brought it back in 4 but not really.
It has more of the little things that 2 had but not as much.

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>>148084568
>Wow I didn't know that was in there.
Heh, yeah. Once Nightlife came out, pre-teen me would ONLY have my sims get engaged that way. And all my weddings looked the same... houses too actually.

Bad times. But yeah, loved that feature.

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Bumping with ugly yet hot teacher
I don't like her though, Maia/Macie asked her to teach her motor skills and she ignored her to play blic-bloc on that computer, get up and do your job unibrow biotch

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I never not have gay people in my stories

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I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to bend your spine like that when exercising...

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someone make a crack NOW

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One of my fav couples, Nico and Dylan

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>>148089581
>>148090574
I decided on making one of my sims gay & got him a sugar daddy and made him able to get pregnant before the sugar daddy died so he could have his babies. It was pretty hip. Now I want to make a tumblr lesbian couple

>>148073447
>8.1 and 10 are literal broken garbage.

God, you computer people are so stuck in your ways. Windows 10 is fine. If you're used to 7, you will need some tweaks to make the UI similar. There is nothing wrong with Win 10. My laptop has WIn10, that's fine. I have 2 desktops in the house that use Win7 and always will. Win10 is not good enough to upgrade to, but it is not nearly bad enough to actually downgrade. There are a million reason to stick to Win10 - and that's just the updated driver database. The only reason you'd downgrade is if you're a big baby that can man-up and adjust to a new interface.

In relation to the Sims 4, I own all the buyable content and run it on Windows 10 x64 and it runs flawlessly. The only game-stopping bug I've ever encountered was caused by MC Commander.

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Nancy has a sour bitch face all the time, why

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>tfw I'm too dark skinned to have a cute daughter like Maia

>>148094842

no pedo plz.

>>148095103
No pedo. Internalized maternal instincts to have the cutest kid on the block.

So what how do you guys play the sims? "Normally," challenges, or do you just kinda stick with one sim and keep them immortal/long lifespan? I always loved Legacy style since I find myself getting too bored without new generations.

Also does this thread ever survive the weekdays?

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>>148095586
I normally do legacies or just let it play out and use it as a character/world building source, as I also like to write fiction.
& the thread hardly ever survives every day, I've almost been the only bumping it for like the past 2hrs

So there haven't been any updates for the cracks with new packs and expansions?

>>148096837
They've given up and it's dead

>>148095586

Completionism. I want to collect every object and have a room dedicated to each collection in my house. I get level 10 in all careers. I complete all aspirations. I become best friends with anyone who isn't homeless. I sleep with every woman.

... Basically, if it can be maxed out, perfected, or conquered, I do it - all on a single sim. Aging off. No kid, no family, no marriage.

Sims 1,2, and 3 were MUCH better for this than Sims 4.

>>148095873
Yeah same, I've been posting my same sim where my game crashed so I haven't actually played him since, heh.

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Welp I'm going to bed, hopefully someone else'll keep the thread alive. (hint hint)

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>>148094501
im going to take my laptop back some time this week and see if the tech can help.

>>148095586
I switch between legacies and immortal sims.
but i started my game again on a new compuiter so at the moment i am building a new town and filling it with my own townies

>>148094501
I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Windows 10, is in fact, NSA/Windows, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, NSA plus Windows. Windows 10 is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another locked down component of a fully functioning NSA system made useful by the NSA corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by the government.
Many computer users run a modified version of the NSA system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of NSA which is widely used today is often called “Windows 10”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the NSA system, developed by the NSA.
There really is a Windows, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Windows 10 is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Windows 10 is normally used in combination with the NSA operating system: the whole system is basically NSA with Windows added, or NSA/Windows. All the so-called “Windows” versions are really versions of NSA/Windows.

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>>148105240
My screenshots are always tilted to the left, idk why. maybe b/c I'm left handed... or I have a tumor

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>>148106136
The end of my cozy SS collection, goodnight.

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>>148106219
>06219 ▶
>>>148106136 (You)
Shiiiiiet.

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>>148106374
Is that caves or sixam?
I feel like its caves, but I don't remember the ceiling having stars/being open

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>>148106506
Not them but its caves.

>Play ts3
>make toddler sim
>Set span of toddler stage to 2 days because you can't do anything with them save for play with their imaginary friend doll

What's the point of bringing back toddlers if you can't do anything with them? Is it just because they're cute?

>>148107426
>sims 3 toddlers cute
spawns of satan

However i really enjoyed them, maxing out the skills they can learn through toys and books.

>>148106374
These look great dude. Really cozy

>>148107426
>Is it just because they're cute
Yes, they're adorable and can you imagine if they had activities that let toddlers play together? or more puppy + toddler stuff?

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>Pirate TS3+Expansions to scratch the itch
>Spend a couple of in game "years" getting enough money to make a house that isn't a shoebox
>Get kind of attached to my sims during that time
>Had ageing turned off
>Want to start messing about with getting kids and actually making a proper family through generations
>At the same time don't want my starting sims to kick the bucket
wat do?

>>148107734
Yes I can imagine, I suggested that if they were brought back that they had things like preschool and playdates. But the problem is that most of the people who want toddlers don't think of the new interactions that can be added or don't care and just want cute sentient decorations

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Newfag here. Anybody can tell me what are the hightest qualities of items which you can make in TS4? I am fucking pissed now, because I cannot found it anywhere.

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>>148107881
Keep the tombstones on your lot and they will haunt you.
But yeah.. its hard to part with sims.

Great, now that toddler sim won't age up even after blowing out the birthday candles and having the age transition triggered by cheats

>>148110663
How'd you manage that?

>>148111231
I have no clue, I'm loading the save now and they've just disappeared

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>>148111425
I dont know much about the sims 3 so i cant really help.
But thats annoying.

>>148111681
Sims 3 is a meme game to be honest, It's supposed to be so much better but with how poorly optimized it is it's basically just "but muh open wurldz" and "muh content" even though that content means NOTHING if the game doesn't run well and it can't be used to its full potential. It's like all they care about is the content and not the PoS game that it has to be used with, it's like people care about quantity over quality and not the other way around

So I clicked "fix invisible sims" in debugenabler to try and fix it and while they aren't aging up still the game somehow changed their face entirely and now they have anime eyes

>>148107426
>What's the point of bringing back toddlers if you can't do anything with them? Is it just because they're cute?

Honestly, I'd rather have no babies than no toddlers. Babies do fucking nothing.

>>148107881
You could try saving up aspiration points for the immortal rewards.

>>148111869
I used to run all the sims 3 content but it was legit not pirated. Pirates seem to have more issues. Though i agree the game can and often does run like shit.
The things i miss most from the sims 3 is build mode and CASt.
Building was so much more fun and unique with the sims 3.

>>148112081
Pics?

>>148113656
I didn't get the chance to screenshot cause I was so bent on trying to undo the the changes to the face

>>148114821
Aw damn. Could have been the next op

I just want a TS4 seasons expansion. It makes the game so comfy.

>>148107881
Use master controller to age up the sims by hand?

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rate this waifu

>>148129624
Is she drunk?

Doctor, Scientist, or Detective?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY9lkbzl1i8

I miss this kind of shit. There's something charmingly horrifying about it.

>>148135117
I take the 'miss' back, actually.
This person still makes shitty TS2 soap operas that look like they're straight out of 2007.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms1tHeaC-bE

>>148111869

90% of stability issues in Sims games are caused by mods. If you go to their tech support site, you see hundreds of threads that - if you have some experience - you can immediately identify as a mod problem. People upload their saves and they work perfectly on unmodded games, and EA flags them all as "Solved" with bullshit excuses because they just don't want to deal with the modding community.

Such as this:
http://answers.ea.com/t5/The-Sims-4-Bug-Reports/Time-freezing-amp-Resetting/td-p/3806607

Someone mentioned this earlier. It's caused by MC Commander's Population module.

The Sims 3 has a LOT of scripting mods. Like NRAAS and Awesomemod, to name the largest. And everyone used them. A lot of people think CC is harmless, because they think CC is just hairs and furniture. The most heavily abused CC is scripting and tuning mods, and those are the ones that can potentially wreck a game.

Those mods that make your sims eat fast, or make "Work Hard" more effective, or force friendships not to decay (this one corrupted a Sims 3 game for me personally), or make gardening faster, or remove the TV distortion on fast-forward - these are all tuning mods that can potentially corrupt game. All it takes is one sloppy, untested line of code, and it happens ALL the time.

Point being, don't blame a game for being shit when you're loading 20+ mods into it.

>>148136053
>Point being, don't blame a game for being shit when you're loading 20+ mods into it.

mod interaction is also problem and hard to test and pinpoint. 2 mods talk shit to each other, damage a save,

then the player loads the save without any mods to see if it was a mod problem and the bug is still there because the save file got corrupted by them, then they're like "oh, its not mods, because my game is still broke"

no you dumb fuck, corruption is saved to the game file which is why its called a corrupt saved game.

>>148111869
An example of how poorly optimized the game is and how EA basically just pumped and dumped: Isla Paradiso.

>>148091653
cute af

>>148094691
Because she's not young anymore.

>>148111869
IT was garbage.

And they didn't expand on new features they added either.

>only two professional bars in the game
>Exclusive to late night

Fuck that really pissed me off.

I love the mixology skill but the fact that every other bar released was a shitty one that wouldn't level the skill annoyed me.

Open world was empty as fuck.

AI was fucking braindead.

Pathing was fucking horrendous. I swear there must have been invisible boulders everywhere with how often my sims would tantrum at not being able to walk somewhere.

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What's your best looking sim, anon?

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>>148143791

How many of you are grills?

How many of you are guys?

How many of you are "grills"?

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>>148144131
Dat schnozz

>>148144818
yes hello it is i a grill. how may i help u

>>148144818
I'm surprised when I see guys playing the sims more than casually.

>>148147005
why?

>>148147346
It's like an unconscious bias, like how most people think of a woman when they think of a nurse.
It's probably because the dollhouse/ create your own soap opera/ dress up stuff seems to appeal to women more than men.

>>148144818
>>148147005

I'm a guy. Been playing hardcore for at least decade. Half my time is spent making mods, so that's part of it. I enjoy the mod scene.

The reason I keep at it is mainly sex. With a few mods, you can do some pretty lewd stuff. And developing those mods further to see just what all the engine will let you get away with is pretty fun. It's not for jerk-off material. It just tickles that 13-year-old side of me to see a mod come to life in the most inapproriate ways. The last mod I made was a roofie/date-rape mod. Just to see if it could be done. A mixologist here, a new recipe there, a few borrowed animations from one sex mod, some custom interactions and moodlets, some tweaking of the illness skins to emulate physical abuse, etc

Right now I'm working on a Get To Work whore house. Been working on it for about 3 months. It is very ambitious. It's all just immature fun. It shouldn't be surprising. The most popular mods have always been sex-oriented.

>>148148598
wew lad

>>148132990
No, looks more like she's wearing tumblr blush

>>148149380
There's a japanese makeup trend that's meant to make you look tipsy, iirc.

cracks when

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RIP Mom

>>148148598
>Right now I'm working on a Get To Work whore house.
Mind elaborating more? This might be the mod that makes me pull the trigger on buying Sims 4. I had a lot of fun doing the brothel challenge in Sims 3 and I'm getting bored with Sims 2 again.

I pirated all expansions, but I've only installed Late Night, Seasons, Ambitions, Generations and University Life.

I want to install another, which one should it be?

>>148155503
Supernatural

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>>148155503

If you like the idea of your sims exploring some new areas, try World Adventures. Trips are expensive and the travel visa system is a pain in the ass, but you get to raid exotic locations and steal lots of national treasures. Plus the WA expansion lets your sims learn martial arts.

http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/The_Sims_3:_World_Adventures

benis?

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Playing pok- I mean voidcritters with a girl from school, I think Maia's winning

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>>148162225
She won hah

>>148107426
Basically.

You just know if they bring them back, it'll be the same old crap.
>teach to talk until parent's needs hit red
>swap parents
>finish teaching to talk
>take care of toddler's needs
>teach to walk
>lather
>rinse
>repeat

Which is a shame, because Maxis could do some neat stuff with emotions, if they wanted.
Have a Baby Mozart radio station that gets toddlers Focused. If they age up with that emotion happening more than the rest, they get a free Genius trait. Read them stories and make them Inspired, and they get Creative. Forget to have them play with other Sims? They become Loners.

I miss the old days when raising a Sim kid actually had some impact on how they grew up.

I think I found a glitch; since the kids stuff pack game out if your child is in a club where they play with toys together their friendship maxes out rather quickly. Like 2/3hrs in game quick.

>>147997835
Jesus