Heroes of the Storm General - /hotsg/

Where the FUCK is Maiev????

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tychus is objectively the coolest character in the game

also anyone who goes drill on him is a fun-hating faggot

>>147659935
i hope this semen demon has a sexy voice

Played about a dozen matches with Jaina on PTR.

She's not nerfed in anyway whatsoever and anyone who honestly thinks she is a stupid chimp.

Frost Armor (even slightly nerfed version) coming at 4 instead of not 7 (competing with a literal 15% damage increase talent) is huge. Ice Barrier buff is a massive survival bonus, the extra second is huge, and it's trivial to stack shields and maintain them while fighting on objectives, sieging, or clearing minion waves. Three waves of Blizzard completely changes how Jaina feels. She may as well be a specialist. You can start taking camps as early as 7. You can clear any wave (waveclear is crucial from the get-go with minion changes) with a single Blizzard starting at level 1.

She's still not as well-rounded as Li-Ming, but there is definitely a niche for her and she's amazing against frontline heavy comps that are fronting Sonya or Thrall.

Jaina is garbage on the PTR

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>no voice chat or all chat
>game reminds you every single match that you can turn off team chat so those mean toxic jerks stop triggering you!
>half the summoned units are AI controlled
>the other half can't really be micro'd, and have this stupid "re-targeting" system as well as leash ranges for fucks sake
>shit like pic related
>literally making balance changes to help solo queue shitters

This game is intended to be casual, that's fine, but it's to a point where this fucking game is literally designed for toddlers.

>play Jaina on PTR
>completely fucking useless

why does this hero still exist

>Quit when they nerfed Jaina buffed her counters and buffed Kael
>Considering coming back for this patch
>Jaina 'buff' is literally nothing
Wew Blizzard must be trying to kill this game to make room for Overwatch

>>147660513
>You can clear any wave (waveclear is crucial from the get-go with minion changes) with a single Blizzard starting at level 1.
Blizzard can't one shot a wave until level 4, you can test that in try mode.

>>147660840
Your hyperbole doesn't help your point.

This game is for people with 0 RTS and 0 MOBA experience.

>>147661273
Jaina's buff was actually a nerf. Her burst got nerfed in exchange for a third wave of blizzard. Not sure why they nerfed one of the worst heroes in the game but they did it

>>147660513
>Jaina
>amazing
>wasting an assassin slot for a mediocre specialist
>straight up spreading actual lies about her waveclear

Why are you like this

I hope you guys are wrong. I like the idea of removing burst mages and giving them other roles. I want Jaina to be good, but if she never bursts people, I'm good with that too.

Maybe she's just more team dependant? The idea of the three waves is to pair with other people's CC?

>>147661829
>it's okay to make one (1) mage completely shit because hurr durr muh variety when the niche she is supposed to fill after the changes is already hogged by 3 other (superior) heroes

JUST

>>147661829
>Maybe she's just more team dependant?

shes ult dependant. in other words, if you take ele you're shit. if you take ring and miss them, you're shit. if you hit your rings, you're kinda useful but even then less so than other mages. sad fact

>>147661829
The tiny radius on blizzard makes it so you have a hard time hitting the second wave even with CC, you never hit a third wave unless it's in a mosh pit.

But if you just make Jaina a wave clear mage, instead of an burst mage there is no point to actually picking her. Gul'dan is actually far better at wave clear than Jaina.

>>147661829
The only thing Jaina had going for her was semi-good burst damage and one ult. Now it's just that one ult and nothing else. There exists an entire class of heroes dedicated to waveclear already: they're called specialists and apart from Medivh, they ALL have superior waveclear. Jaina is a mage who is outclassed in every category and by everyone (except shitty meme heroes like Butcher or Tyrael who have even less going for them)

>>147662395
Tyrael actually sees a good amount of competitive play, he's more of a support tank with aoe invaulnerability, shields, speed buffs and can steal camps with holy ground. Jaina is just not played in high level team play though because she is so bad as well as the easiest character in the game to kill.

>>147662000
Fuck those other heroes. Nerf them to the ground for all I care.

>>147662090
Well, obviously, but if your team has good CC, you can hit your waves, right?

>>147662158
I don't want her to be a waveclear assassin. That makes no sense. I am hoping that there is genuinely some value in hitting one wave on two melee guys in a teamfight and then making the enemy have to avoid that circle for a few seconds every teamfight.

Teamfights are what, 20 seconds long? And like, at a altar or at Blackheart's turn in, surely there are places where you can fuck up one person and force unfavorable movement.

This is my hope. If she's trash, she's trash, but I hope that she isn't and everyone is just underestimating the value of a mage who doesn't have as much burst potential as first pick able bitches.

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>>147662626
>falling for the "stealing camps with HG" meme

>>147662626
Waveclear is all Xul has, Gazlowe doesn't need more nerfs and Azmodan can't be nerfed without making him into a joke.

>>147662769
>Waveclear is all Xul has
l
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>>147662649
>shitty peashooter damage on high cooldowns that doesn't burst
>value

Dude, just let it go. Jaina is absolute shit. Outperformed by fucking Nazeebo who isn't even meant to be a DPS.

>>147662395
But isn't the fact that you can slow people at all relevant?

You could maybe keep cone up to prevent people getting near you, you throw Blizz at choke points and you frostshot stragglers? I'm thinking on like Sky Temple bot for example.

I'm very likely wrong.

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jaina is for ____

>>147662963
>25% slow

Dude, fucking Leoric has a better one (40%) with a more reliable radius on a shorter cooldown - and with all the blinks in the meta, slows don't matter for shit. What's a shitty slow going to do vs Muradin just jumping the fuck away or Valla vaulting in any direction that isn't "your face"? Jaina doesn't have the range to take any advantage of it. Hell, her entire passive is negated by Sonya's and Li Li's passive. Add to that how prevalent Cleanse is in the meta, and you got yourself an assassin who literally does nothing but weigh her team down. Even trollpicking Nova is less of a burden on your team than Jaina.

>>147663240
Throwing.

>>147663240
leaving to gather dust in your hero roster

>>147663240
filling with orcish seed

>>147663240
nerfing

>>147662649
>I don't want her to be a waveclear assassin. That makes no sense. I am hoping that there is genuinely some value in hitting one wave on two melee guys in a teamfight and then making the enemy have to avoid that circle for a few seconds every teamfight.
She's not a very good waveclear assassin, it's a 15 second CD and a small radius so she can clear one wave, but if there is 2 or more waves she needs to commit more to try to clear it. Hitting one wave of blizzard does less damage now, hitting two waves of blizzard and a cone of cold does less damage now than before, she only sees the buff if you ever hit 3 waves on someone.

The biggest problem was 2 waves of blizzard was hard to hit at all even with the radius increase at 4, and now that's is 16 and competes with good talents. You never took the 3rd wave on blizzard at 16 because it was a bad talent, so they just weakened her early game a lot.

Kael can clear waves about as fast, with shorter cds and more mana efficiently. Jaina is nerfed far too much to just have a weak 25% slow that really only ends up being good after you already won the team fight.

>>147663240
cute!

Jaina removed from HotS when?????

>>147663698
Next week

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>>147663698
if you take out the orcs and put them in another game jaina will follow them

>queue up for HL
>get into lobby
>nice bantz, no AFK shitters or anything
>they grab le china mage
>lock in Thrall
>dumb ass motherfucker picks Jaina
>alt+f4

>>147664026
>giving up before the match starts
Bronze league detected

>>147664612
>trying to win with a Jaina on your team

I thought this shit would stop above Diamond, but it seems like they don't. People still pick that useless piece of shit and I'm not gonna waste 20 minutes of my life on a predetermined loss.

>>147663352
>40% slow
>can be upgraded to a 60% slow
>can be upgraded to double swing for 5 total seconds of a 60% slow
>perfect set up for entomb

>Jaina follows up entomb with a triple wave blizzard
>kt follows up with three man flamestrike and living bomb
>medivh follows up with sheep
>artanis follows up with laser
>valla, raynor, and tychus have a field day

based skellyking

>>147664938
Why are you trying to make Jaina look like she matters in that combo? Everything that's subjected to 2 skellyswings, Entomb, Flamestrike, Living Bomb, and Polybomb is DEAD. You literally do not need Jaina here. You don't need her anywhere.

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>>147664752
>azmo/rexxar first pick
>azmo doesn't go stack talent
>forced onto support
>enemy has tass + one of the better tracers in NA
>win

There's no such thing as a predetermined loss unless the enemy team is just stupidly better than you. I've won with Jaina on my team, too, this patch.

>>147665404
>low 400s GM
>shitposting like he knows anything

literally LMAOing at you're life

>>147665404
>enemy has Tass

Sounds like you won in draft senpai

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something looks wrong here.

>>147665539
That's an old screenshot, anon. Mind enlightening me on your own rank, then?

Jaina's bad, but acting like a single pick determines a game is just fucking stupid.

>>147665684
I was pointing out tass + tracer, rather than just the tass. Tass + Tracer is an insane combo.

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maiev when?

>>147665834
this is jimmy

I love jaina and she is my waifu, but she just feels bad on the ptr landing blizzard is just not satisfying anymore they should have made the radius increase baseline and given her a new level 16 talent or something because the radius increase a level fucking 4 talent at level 16 now without any kind of buffs to put it at 16 will never be picked up you can't really build around her blizzard and now you just build q or e

>>147663240

breeding!

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>>147665930
your waifu is a slut

>>147665898
>not posting a recent one because it'd show you've fallen back into shitter league (aka Diamond)

>>147665910

>read file name as breast warden

>>147666072
Jaina is pure!

>push the shit out of the enemy team
>gain our team a level lead and kill buildings
>everyone keeps crying about me not going for team fights at objectives, saying they will report me
>end up killing all 3 keeps solo and half of the enemy core
>say "gg carried" at the end
>everyone salty as fuck despite winning

>>147666242
purely for penis

>>147666243
30% of my 3000 games are with nazeebo and I relate to this post

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>>147666232
the artist does draw some amazing tits for night elves

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Reminder of reddit karma-whoring sell-out rats: https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/4mh256/theres_a_guy_on_4chan_who_has_accurately_leaked/

https://www.reddit.com/user/SSJ5Gogetenks
>ponyfucker

They are in this thread RIGHT NOW!

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>>147666119
Just for u bb. And this is after days of decay and having like half the games to grind as 90% of the GM board.

Mind enlightening me on your own rank, then?

>>147666604
I'm Dustin Browder

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>>147666667
So close to the get, shame.

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why are there no good streamers for this game?

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64 posts

13 posters

ded game

>>147667325
But Grubby is streaming right now, anon.

I want to be bullied while playing Jaina like the useless feeding slut I am, I want to miss my ring of frost in a crucial moment just so I can be called a retard dumb bitch with less damage than Uther, I want to blow all my spells at close range against a tank to burst 1/3 of his health only to be healed back again in a instant and have everything in CD for 15 seconds, ahh and my team just screaming at me for being such an brainless idiot I can't do anything at all, I want to be useless and be carried by strong efficient assassins so I don't need to think anymore, in the end I'm just an object to be used as a meat shield and slow the enemy down (sometimes) by 25%, I hope the +5% slow from the level 1 talent that you can't even notice allows you to escape easier while I abandon any hopes and just let them rape my worthless ragdoll around, until I spawn again only to defend an unstoppable wave of 2 minions waves while everyone is dead and get ganked near the core, GG.

>First game in months
>Enemy team has two complete retards who feed non-stop
>Easily win
>Want to queue again
>Scared those retards will be on my team
>Exit game

>>147667671
grubby is turbo autistic

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>>147667804

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>play 8 games quest
>play one unranked where everyone in my team is a mouthbreating retard
>go play QM with Xul and just push lanes all game
>lose only one game due to someone disconnecting as soon as the game started
>actually had a decent time with the game for once
I guess ignoring everyone in the game and just pushing lanes is the only way to have fun in this game

heroes should drop regen globes

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>5 man party vs 5 random

k

>>147663352
Sure, but theoretically Leo can only slow... oh wait, does swing also slow? I don't know actually.

>>147665834
okay this applies to several things
zeratul's blade flies around at an uncomfortable distance away from him as well
this is only happening on the ptr for me
why is this happening
i dont recall this having happened before

>>147668939
It's PTR, so naturally there's gonna be bugs. The whole point of putting stuff on PTR is to find and fix bugs before it goes live.

>>147669061
but they rarely ever fix anything on the ptr it feels
and nobody reported this happening to them
it kinda worries me you know

>>147669235
They changed things once that was with the arthas nerf like 2 days after the PTR but yeah they usually don't do anything with the PTR.

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>>147669061
>>147669235
it does look pretty funky but it is slightly annoying
hopefully this'll be noticed and fixed in time

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cheers love, the ____ is here!

>get ganked 4 times in the first 10 minutes
>they even overextend into fort range one time and almost get killed by fortress shots just to kill me
>somehow I'm to blame for losing

yea sure next time I play nazeebo I'm just gonna stay behind my gates and never push any lane ever. that'll make sure I don't """"feed""""

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>>147670043
getting ganked means you were over extended and not watching the mini map nub

>>147669776
imbalance

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>>147669701
even on maxed out settings it still appears
could someone boot up the PTR and check up on it on their end?

>>147662963
the mix of cooldowns, pvp reliable shielding aren't really there for here to be much more than a cheap greymane/kael burst replacement and glorified specialist. for the slow to really matter consistently outside of chasedowns she needs to be rebuilt into a shorter range brawler from lvl1. total rework with baseline ice barrier and a short blink at 16 or 20.

>>147667804

yeah i really don't understand why everyone likes grubby so much.

>>147669776
my wife's son

>>147669235
They fix bugs on PTR all the time They use PTR for bug testing, not balance testing.

>>147669776
Rubbish.

She says this line all the time.

>>147670332
>enemy team literally dives me under my own fort
>hurr durr u wer over extended durr

JUST

>>147669776
"Cheerio darlings, the infantry's comin'!" - Tracker

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It's turned around for me!

>>147672242
spoken like a true bronze naz picker

>>147669776

bull

>>147672447
time for it to turn again

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How does Illidan cast metamorphosis in the same game as Gul'dan?

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>>147659935

did a quick sonya sketch

also im super hyped for guldan but kind of disappointed how they put the most powerful demon summoning warlock in all of wow and blizzard lore combined and he doesn't summon a single demon

that fucking fear shadow thing that flashes onscreen for a split second and does like 400 damage 1 time doesnt count imo&tbqh-senpai

ive got over 15,000 gold saved up for him so im ready to buy him as soon as he goes live

>>147672873
>legs and abs have no definition

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>>147672606

>>147660210

this is her voice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEAPxgMCEA8

>>147672969
>>>/vg/dsg

>be losing
>everyone's shitting over everyone else in chat
>be winning
>everyone's shitting over everyone else in chat

thank god voice chat isn't a thing

>>147669776
global thermonuclear war
cyanide
paternity test
there
colonoscope

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>>147672873

like in my reference? no thinks, i dont like drawing abs on men or women just dont like drawing them lol

>>147672873
arms are a little too thin
something about the head's shape looks really off but i can't pinpoint it

>>147673396

woops, meant to replay to: >>147672951

>>147673396
>i dont like drawing abs

Then you're not drawing every part of the character's body.

>>147673514

well it is a wip, when i paint it up to a finished piece i will maker her arms a little bigger to match her big legs!

>>147672873
how big is her dick?

>>147673517
also ignored the quads

step it up drawpai

>>147672873
...needs color

>>147671270
Apparently, he's good at the game and actually talks about the game rather than bsing.

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>>147673639

she doesn't have one

she has a plump pussy

>>147673802
anyone got a link to his stream?

>>147673993
twitch tv/followgrubby

He also does wc3 on the weekends.

I know blogging about your shitty bronzie QMs is lately not kosher, but if we have a siege abathur who hardly hats people, it is not my fault as Chromie that we are losing teamfights.

>>147676447
just leave already ipwnlocks

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Which hero has your favorite trailer so far?

Pic related for me.

tracer has a very punchable face

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Man, Garden of Terror. I used to be a staunch defender of you. But this is unacceptable.

I don't know how the hell this happened. We were level 27 when the game ended. Absolutely miserable game.

>love playing the fuck out of stitches when he's free
>level 7 before I even buy him
>bros and I struggling
>no one is tanking well
>people start getting uneasy
>finally buy Stitches
>hook niggers 24/7
>win most games
>get called based Stitches
>people surprised I'm that good when I just bought him right there
Who /stitches/ here? This nigger is fucking ballin'. Very underrated. Hook a nigger into your team = instakill. Enjoy your 5v4. I tend to go http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator/stitches#o0yz -- 16 depends. Either range or double hook, depends on map and teamcomps. The regen cheese talents may not be the best but they're great and I like the infinite stack talents. By the end of each game I have ~75 life/sec.

>>147679110
of course 10 death nova

>>147679213
He's so fun and even if you can't hook for shit, those games when you do make you feel amazing.

>>147660513
>>147660614
I'm getting mixed signals here

>>147679110
>65 kills

>>147679110

You know exactly how it happened, you have a Nova on your team

>>147679110
TRAIT VALUE

>>147679794
The fact that we won despite that shit show and not having any keeps for ten minutes is the stupidest part of all that.

>>147679613
>>147679870
Yeah, Leo's a peach. Look team, look, I'm a ward, they are all here. Oh look, I'm slowing one down. Oh look, it was 1v5 and I died accomplishing nothing.

>>147680115
so thats why I sometimes get "wp leo" when I finish a game with less than 4 deaths on Leoric. I honestly didn't know it was this bad.

Man, I'm so sad they are nerfing Anub. He may have been busted in high tiers, but in my scrub league, I barely got a chance to play him.

Was it really that bad?

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>it's a "solo support kharazim builds full damage" game
then they have the audacity to ask why our teamfights are bad

also people can't fathom playing with vikings even when i spoonfeed them how to play

>>147680765
>it's a "Viking player tells Nazeebo to leave lane and stay with the team even though Nazeebo's entire fucking gimmick is stacking big dick numbers from minion kills" episode

>>147680904
>it's a "Nazeebo fails to stick to Baleog's lane and/or fucks up gathering all those sweet big dick numbers from minion kills" episode

>>147680904
i'm sorry you also play with retards anon
maybe we can queue up and pretend to be vastly more skilled than our teammates together

>>147680904
You shouldnt be laning if you have a viking, rotate as four and leave the lanes to the vikings.

>>147680481
>nerfing anub

he lost like 100 hp

i just played him earlier, he's fine

>>147679316
Agreed. The games where you land those GODLY hooks and max-range hooks are some of the best and few reasons to keep playing this game.

>>147681153
Okay. Thanks.

Honestly, I am so trash at new Anub I'm just worried. I am so used to using Burrow as an Escape only that timing the engagement Burrows is not going so hot.

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>>147672873
>>147673664

ok here is a tiny bit of color so far

its still got a long way to go

>>147680904
You don't need to stay in one lane to stack with nazeebo, anon. You can rotate with your team, gank a lane, clear the wave, repeat. In fact, you get even MORE stacks from rotating than just staying in one lane.

>>147681426
>precision Lamb'ing a Li Li out of her team and chopping her into fresh meat

>>147681610
>still no quads

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tyrande best waifu

the minions now doing 200% damage to structures is amazing. played Sylvanas on PTR and used her posession to steal enemy minions and help crush enemy forts and keeps with incredible ease.

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>be me
>carry the team with both sustained damage, insane tanking and "q" slow
somehow we get the enemy core to 1%
>our raynor decides minions are more important, LEAVES THE CORE AT 1% AND GOES DOING CAMPS
>we lose
Why am I even playing anymore? Ranking is even worse, there's always a fucking chronic feeder in every game.

>>147685145
Pushing lanes will become really important after the patch hits live and all the casual fucks will be crying even harder when you run around pushing lanes instead of team fighting around the objective all game

>>147685270
>playing qm

theres your problem, only retards play qm and unranked

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>>147683696

Known formally as the Sucubi, a Succubus, or Semen Demon, is a female demon that drains on the essence and vitality of men, typically young men, through sex and cannibalism. They acquire their 'nutrients' through ingesting the semen as well as eating the flesh and blood of their victims.

>>147683696
>>147686182
Can you really blame Illidan?

>>147685845
only people in the EU still awake at this hour(5 am)are russians.
Losing in ranked its even worse. and its not even that better.
My last 10 matches has been an horrible rollercoaster of winning and losing-not in a good way. Every loss has been due to single retard throwing horribly and/or picking random heroes when the enemy has already its counter-every-fuking-game.

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>>147682075

i know a lot about anatomy and i still dont know what you mean by "quads" can you draw some red lines on her and show me?

>>147681610
almost done

>>147687116
>i know a lot about anatomy
>doesn't know what quads are
This is just bait now.

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30 more games to go
>le forced 50

i admit, i'm actually having to play with a lot more focus when it comes to some of these games. i've lose one on a complete fluke, and the others i've won were pretty damn close games

61.4%

>>147686842
No, I also want to fuck Tyrande in the ass

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>>147686842
at least he got raped by maiev for 10000 years

>ywn be raped for 10000 years by maiev

ded thred
ded gem

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>>147688989

you can no longer afk level up heroes?I tried that in training and my game ended after like 3 minutes

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>>147688989
Its ok, the next big patch after the Gul’Dan one will save it for sure!

>>147689471
Nope, you have to actually play the game now

>>147689568
but that is boring

>>147660513
Are you that guy that said Jaina was going to get better after they removed bolt from her?

>>147690258
I was the guy who said people should get good and stop relying on a stupid crutch talent like bolt. Also i'm not the guy you responded too.

>>147689471
>Tfw I actually play less since they made this change

>>147665910
sauce please

>>147691367
>I cant read file names and use google

I bought the pig but I still don't have enough shit to spend gold on. I could start getting Master Skins, but I already have cosmetics for the heroes I like.

Should I just start buying the entire roster?

>>147691493
Just pile up gold so you can impulse buy anything you want

>>147691493
>I have nothing to buy!
>doesn't own all the heroes

>>147691830

And always keep at least 10k handy in case you end up liking some new hero. You never know.

That said, wait till after any nerfs.

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hey guys does this general have a discord server!?

>>147694118
No, fuck off to reddit

>>147694185

you're still not unbanned from the discord senjinn

just wanted to let you know

>>147691493
there's not much point. don't really need much more than 10 bought no matter your hero league approach (fill,support,etc.) with the mix of the free rotation. most QM players could get by with next to nothing. it's not like you can get bored of 10 characters fast on a couple dozen games a week. save until you really miss something.

Why can Diablo throw and push people behind gates yet most other abilities/heroes that look like they should be able to actually can't? They just jam against the gate. Like Stitches hook.

>>147697517
I AM TERROR INCARNATE

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Who /stitches/ here?

I've fell in love with Azmo on the ptr. New dunk talent is strong enough to make dunks good without overshadowing the current one if you've got a pocket Jojo or something to min/max.

>>147697517

Stitches hook would be super cheese, but I don't see why someone like a Artanis can't since it's kinda the same move.

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>>147678665
I dunno I think maybe Leoric. I lov his voice and his quotes

>it's that time of night again
>all the good players have gone to sleep
>everyone else that's still playing is literally cancer

it was fun, i'll see you guys tomorrow when the people who actually know how to play start waking up

>>147678665

Jaina's is a old one, but it's great.

>>147701414

Should get special mention though for 'I've only chosen allies I know will never betray me' *Illidan and Arthas give him a look*

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fair and balanced matchmaking in HL

>>147703195
Who are you? And also,
>playing HL
MMR and rank are shit in this game.

>>147694241
senjinn here

the discord is full of sub-diamond 3 shitters, there's really no reason to be in it

>HL
>I pick Medivh
>They already picked Sonya and Muradin
>Our master picks Leoric as solo tank and morales as supp

It is my fault that we lose because I picked medivh on the first pick, ok.

>>147666503
Give it a rest

I'm scared guys. Auriel doesn't look like a support.

>>147706740
Get out, ponyfucker.
detroper.

>>147668367
naw man that would make team fights even more snowbally then they already are

i just watched the gul'dan spotlight? does horrify make them run away from the center of the cast or in random directions? just wondering if you can make enemies run in the direction you want them to run.

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is this going to get a nerf?

>>147707230
from the center

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post yfw you realized dodging the HL draft doesn't subtract any points

why is guldan so fucking mediocre? why does kerrigan deal so much dmg?
>>147708005
really it doesnt in season now?

has anyone tested muradin, can he get rooted in the air now, like if he jumps above malfurion's roots?

pretty gay nerf

>Our battle cannot remain here!
>It must move slightly to my left.
>Enough! I seek better ground.
>Slightly to my left.
>I tire of this stalling!
>So I'm going to literally stall.

>>147708005
I know if you exit the game really quickly after your queue pops (like if you see some players on your team you wany to avoid) you can dodge leaver status but you have to be quick

>>147709120
>THOSE FOOLS WILL NOT BEST YOU AGAIN
>they do

>>147708578
>Kerrigan
>Damage

>>147709235
>Have courage mortal, hope remains!
>It doesn't

>>147709657
>Kerrigan doesn't do damage
Try landing some skill shots boyo.

>>147710008
>dude just do the combo that is worse than Muradin's storm bolt while being 5 times harder to land

>>147710047
>tales from bronze
Just wait a fraction of a second and it's impossible to juke

>>147710854
>having whorrigan as your waifu
just switch over to tyrande shes actually viable

How easy is to get to master if you have just promoted to D1?

due to zagara definitely being the first ban after the patch and gul'dan maybe being second just because new, will we actually manage to draft KT now?

>>147711145
>playing post-nerf Kael
Now, now.

>>147711456
>KT """"""""""""""nerf""""""""""""""
He's just overrated and most people can't even play him for shit.

>>147711456
>nerf
im sorry what

>>147711145
I'm happy for zagara's redesign, her previous kit was boring as fuck

>>147692720
I already have a bunch of heroes just gathering dust.

>game starts
>diablo runs in middle lane and auto attacks creeps
>dies
>"lol sorry guise i went to take a piss"
This nigger RUNS into the middle of the creep wave, THEN goes AFK to take a piss. Only constant, right. Needless the say they fed hard the rest of the game. Instalose.

>>147710984
YOU TAKE THAT BACK FAGGOT
the banshee queen is my only waifu desu

>>147712447
This sounds made up.

Was it at least QM? I guess with Unranked Draft finally being out QM is for people who don't give any shits.

>>147713087
I wish it was made up. That match alone made me stop playing right after it was over. All 4 of them were brainless and dead. I couldn't believe it. Sylv ran in against 4 (we all seen the enemy) for no reason and of course died.

I just don't even know sometimes. Doesn't mean shit that I got a very good first blood when my 4 teammates collectively die ~15 times in 10 minutes. Doesn't matter. You can not win from that if your teammates are that stupid.

>>147713232
Unless you're playing vikings.
I've won games where my teammates kept losing 4v3 on garden and Zera kept killing me. 8-32 in kills, still won.

So, specialists. When do you have to get one in Ranked? When is 3 assassin, 1 warrior, 1 support wrong?

>>147715381
>When is 3 assassin, 1 warrior, 1 support wrong?
next patch, you will always need a specialist or two

>>147715381
Map dependant. Can't get away on tomb or cursed hollow without specs for one. Could get away with it on blackheart, battlefield and shire.

>>147715440
i love it

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Have you done your placements yet?
Do you have a senpai to carry you?
Even bronze TL gets the mount.
Play with us! Join the /vg/ chat and find a new friend!

>>147715483
>>147715381
xul great on bhb and ds, sylv great on boe

all in all will only get better next patch

>>147715754
Yeah they're good, but not necessary. Not having a spec on Tomb and Hollow is just signing a death sentence.

>>147715381
2 warrior has been meta for a while now

>>147715837
So, Warrior-Bruiser-Two Assassin-Support? Or just two bruisers?

>>147715483
Thanks.

Despite Jaina being worse on the PTR I noticed that she now only has 3 options per talent tier except for 1 and 20, most heroes have 4+, but jaina has only been losing talents.

>>147715754
Yeah, Xul, Sylv and Zag are basically the only 3 specs you need. Naz is a good extra, and vikings gets you freewins on garden if you have any multitasking whatsoever and your team isn't completely terrible.

>>147716320
the talent system in general is being phased out in favor of a more streamlined quest system and an item shop at your base.

>>147716320
Medivh only has 3, I think going forward they want to eliminate as many talents as possible so you only have 1 or 2 choice per level. A bunch of talents per tier is just confusing for players, it would be better if you really only had 2 good choices per tier so people can't mess up their builds too much as anyone who plays this game are pretty incompetent, even in diamond people aren't sure how to spec heroes.

>>147716671
Why even have talents if there's only one good choice per tier anyway. Just make them automatically activate when you reach lvl X and stop making players click the same shit every game, possibly in a team fight where it distracts them from playing.

>>147716759
Sometimes it's good to go more defensives or more offensives, so they should have at least 2 option. 3 options is probably too confusing for players though

>>147716759
Many heroes have many tiers of multiple choice. Some heroes don't, sure.

>>147716875
Just add the defensive one to baseline kit. Fixes 90% of all heroes' problems.

>>147716935
Sure if you're an idiot you can totally pick Regen Master on Hammer or Demolitionist on Naz, but that just makes you lose harder. Talent system was a bad idea from the get go.

>>147716950
Just think of li-ming with all her defensive talents baseline while getting full damage specs

>>147717030
Good thing those two heroes aren't the only heroes in the game. And good thing there's more than one talent tier.

Talent concept is good. However, like everything in HotS, there's room for much more.

>>147717034
Like I said, fixes 90% of all heroes' problems including Li Ming's lackluster performance in the current meta.

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This ugly mother fucker is fucking hot assassins with this one weird trick.
and basically, you're fucking stupid.

>winstreak 3 and get promo
>lose 3 games in a row
>now worse off than where i started today
Sure is fun having your rank determined by the PUG lottery. can't even escape the shit players and feeders in diamond

By the way, in case anyone didn't know this: you can dodge shitters on your team from the previous game if you stay in the stats screen. Hover over the party invite and it will tell you whether or not they are in a game already.

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>>147717109

>including Li Ming's lackluster performance in the current meta.

>>147717097
How is it a good concept if there's 1 talent per tier that has 90% pick and 70% win rate? Nobody's making use of most of the meme talents Blizzard stuck on their heroes. Heroics are the only talent choice that actually matters.

>>147715505
>/vg/ chat
>friend
everyone in there is a contrarian faggot

>>147717185
>>147717185
Just because a talent is picked far more than others doesn't mean it's the auto-pick every time. It's good to have situational/niche talents. You seem like somebody who uses hotdogs like a bible and doesn't think for themselves.

>>147660167
I follow guide rules on which ult to pick, mech on push maps, drill on objective maps; so yes I might be a faggot
But you have to admit, seeing the enemy carry walk miles away from a fight to get out of range of the drill is pretty funny

>>147717203
Is misha for sexual?

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>>147717259
>carry

GTFO

>>147717261
the bear?
i guess, but bears dont have particularly special pussies or cocks.

horse/dog pussy and cock are unique and fun.

i think lunara would either have a horse or deer pussy, which would be good.

>>147716671
If you look at recent heroes like li-ming she has at least 3 very distinct talents plus maybe a clone of some of those 3 talents which does the same but works sightly different.
For example Astral Presence and power hungry at level 1 both are for mana regeneration, but the rest are different. At 16 you have 2 talents for magic missiles and the other 2 are different. However all her talents are useful in some way, even Astral Presence is way better than power hungry in Infernal Shrines, you never run out of mana and can keep fighting all you want and force armor is still the best magic block in the game combined with fireflies you just can't die. I think Li-ming has the best talent tree so far and this is what they are trying to achieve with all heroes now.

Btw Jaina Q build with icy veins is stronger now, it's just her W build that feels lacking.

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>>147717312
desu 4/5 people who play this have never touched a moba and suck anyway, so there's always going to be the one man carry

>>147717548
>Btw Jaina Q build with icy veins is stronger now, it's just her W build that feels lacking.
The Q build does the same as it did, you just get 10 mana back per frost bolt hit.

>>147717114
I hate hate hate when I see a hatted Monstrocity. Like, fine, you took a thing to split push, now let it be and hat people in teamfights.

Evo is so fucking good, but if you are doing hat build, you can't hat people when you are being a clone.

I wish it were acceptable to take monstro when you are doing hat.

>gutting brightwing's fun build
>forcing you to go afk heal totem build
fuck this game

>>147718905
i do take monstrocity while doing symbiote build.

and a hatted monstrocity that is fully grown is the strongest champion in the game, can easily 1v1 anybody.

>>147719021
>champion

>pre-season
>60% win rate in HL

>season 1
>40%

Silly Blizzard, that's not how forced 50 works, now stop giving me whiny feeders who don't ever supp.

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>>147719021
>mfw I tried to 1v1 a hatted symbiote with greymane because he was almost half health

>>147719009
They buffed Greymane, and already very strong assassin and nerfed Jaina, one of the weakest assasssins. It's a pretty bad patch for balancing.

>>147719567
>tfw shitting over hatted symbiote from 5.5 distance because you're Nazeebo with 150 stacks of death ritual and 13 GP

>>147717862
Yeah but that's why I don't need to pick any regen talent anymore, I can go Q range, pierce and lower cooldown, maybe I mean "buffed" not stronger.

>>147719769
You can build it now without regen, and when you have icy veins up mana isn't an issue.

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What are some solid builds with Nazeebo lads?
He was all about spider talents when I used to use him alot, but I see alot of toad play these days.
Have they fixed the gargantuans DOGSHIT AI yet?

>>147719021
Yeah, but you slithering over to where the timefight is ongoing is a waste of time. Feel free to hat a monstro if nothing is going on and someone decided to go defend against it, but at my MMR, people literally hat the fucking thing and pretend to be a regular hero until it dies.

Wait, so there is a new hero on PTR and the thread is still dead? Is he that dull?

>>147720615
He's okay, game is just ded as fuck

>personal rank adjustment -24

cool, so I get penalized for losing even when I'm winning.

>>147720615
Dull'Dan lmao

>>147720743
welcome to Whose Ranked Is It Anyway, the game where the meta is made up and your points don't matter

>>147720848
>>147720727
His gimmick is using life, right? But that's it, he's otherwise just another ranged assassin?

>>147721109
no really, why do I get points subtracted for winning AND losing.

>letting the other team pick Vikings on Cursed Hollow
>blaming me for throwing when I wasn't even in charge of bans
>personal rank adjustment -35

THIS IS FINE

>>147672242
If it's 3 v1 in the early game I dive forts for kills too. Anyone would, if you are alone and don't know where the enemy is you are over extended.

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Get on my level

>>147672242
Perhaps you should remember MOBA-like games are the most ass faggot games ever made where you win by numbers and ganking 5vs1 from bushes, skill is an illusion that comes from the combination of reflexes and knowledge of what to do in the right time.

>>147672447
50/50 winrate is a turnaround?

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every god damn time.

>>147724538
>skill is just reflexes and knowledge of what to do in the right time

not to be a shitter, but isn't that what skill is in any game and IRL

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The spanish Medivh here

All draft flamed when we picked TLV+Medivh on HL but it was really neccesary to protect our only tank, a fucking Artanis, and to do some dmg.

Kharazim spouting "I will report you because we will lack dmg"

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>it's a all games are decided by one retard on my team solo facechecking at 20+ minutes and us then losing day

>>147727586
I know how do you feel, and why the lost vikings aren't called "Los vikingos perdidos"?
>Cringris
Kek, they should leave "greymane" even RAE allows it now

>>147728372
That's not his name in the Spanish version tho. Same with German.

>>147725701
that forced 50.
it's real

So, when will be Chromie a strong choice?

>>147728921
She will get weaker next patch with her bad waveclear

>>147728921
when jaina stops being an orc slut

>>147729309
never then
sadness

>>147728921
when they lack counters it does more dmg than anyone.

>>147729309
Jaina has never been an orc slut so Chromie must be good now

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>>147729474
metzen pls go

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>>147729474
>Jaina has never been an orc slut

>>147720094
froggos
just nothing but froggos

fuck you!!!

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HALLELUJAH, IT'S RAINING SAND!

>>147660167
literally Chromie with guns

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>>147727586
>pick vikings on vikings maps
>teammates complain
>win handily with multi-level lead

>>147732169
tychus doesn't die in 2 seconds and has an escape though
also please never compare him to that hobgoblin nobody asked for

>>147732169
>activate laser
>OMG EVERYONE CHAAARGE WE ARE UNSTOPPABLE!!! GET THE OBJECTIVE QUICK!!! -dies
>activate thor
>EVERYONE RETREAT AND USE THOR AS A MEAT SHIELD LMAO NICE RETREAT ULT DUDE

>>147732546
>not being able to nuke and poke from a safe distance
WEW LAD

the only way to play "CROMI" is being far beyond the great darknest and poke-nuke the other team I GUESS
and sometimes help your team I GUESS
but of the times be a lil tiny squishy flayin sneik

>>147732169
Tychus is absolutelly nothing like Chromie

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it's one of those days

>>147729907
>>147730025
Only in fanfiction

Is Time Loop just not supposed to be used in teamfights? The range on it is so short and my team always says I'm getting too close to the enemy team when I try to use it.

>>147734536
If you don't secure a kill when you use it, you used it wrong.

>>147734536
>Time Loop just not supposed to be used in teamfights
>taking a 70 second ult thats negated by a 60 second cleanse

lul

>>147734536
It's not THAT close range. Just don't use it to start off a teamfight unless your target is very out of position. Wait for the teamfight to develop a bit before you step up to use it.

>>147736032
>tfw a heroic is countered by a cleanse
might as well not have a heroic tbqhfamilamily

>>147736576
a bunch of ults are countered by cleanse

>main account
>2200+ games played
>2800 QM and HL mmr
>it hasn't changed one bit after the last 500 games
>make a new account
>less than 30 games played
>already master in QM
what's the point of this post? mmr hell exists

>>147737623
Keep playing, anon. 30 games is a shit sample size. Come back at ~200 games. You'll probably be higher than your main, but not that much.

If Zeratul hits a Chromie who then fast hearths and Zera uses vorpal blade, will he teleport all the way to the enemy altar?

>>147738464
yes
then he'll bounce off the altar and get shot down by everything

>>147702131
I lost it when Illidan looked but I didn't notice Arhtas do it to

>>147737623
>play game, make mistakes, learn
>make new account, learned not to make mistakes
>my current self is better than my old self
?

mmr hell doesn't exist, anon, it never has

>>147736450
Okay. That makes sense.

>>147736032
>>147736305
>>147736576
All about timing. Plus, hotdogs.

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>>147740282
>All about timing. Plus, hotdogs.
mine, your's?

>MY WEB WEAVERS SHALL WEAVE A WEB OF DEATH UPON YOUR FOES REEEEEE

what did she mean by this

>>147740282
>time loop is about timing
wew ladde

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>heal from hydra damage
>evolve hydra to muta
>place muta on camps
>mutas have unlimited life
>place mutas on all camps
>own the nexus like its your bitch

>>147737623
Anon, MMR doesn't exist in this game, period.

>>147742709
delete this

>>147740478
also, you only use Time Loop because the alternative is somehow even worse
>sands
>just a pathetic version of Thrall's earthquake

>>147742709
>you try to do this in a real match
>you realise the mutalisk gets killed by the camp in seconds

>>147743204
creep the camp and put it over the wall
granted will only work on traditional 4 minion bruisers

>>147742709
perfectly balanced nothing wrong here

>>147742709
I hope someone post that on reddit so it can be fixed

>>147744976
but I took it from reddit

Is there a certain type of collection of guys I should aim for if I wanted to start tryharding in this game? Like 2 of each class so when one gets banned I have a backup that I'm gud with?

>>147694118
how big is sonyas dick?

>>147745521
ideally all

>Warriors
Bruiser subrole
Leoric - good vs multiple warriors
Artanis - good vs auto attacks (valla, raynor, tychus) or solo "protect the illidan" style
Sonya - good for maps with multiple objs, like BHB

Tank subrole
Diablo - well rounded tank, good on cramped maps (BoE, Shrines, bot lane BHB)
Johanna - good tank for Shrines, Spiders, other maps where fast wave clear is needed
Muradin - good disengage frontliner

>Assassin
Sustained subrole
Raynor - well rounded, loses to dive comps
Tychus - good vs multi warrior,

Burst subrole
KT - good at poking, clearning objs
Jaina - good vs dive comps (will probably die, but helps set up good trades)
LiMing - poke damage

>Support
Lili - anti auto attacker comp (increased blind duration)
Kharazim - anti burst + vision (good against Nova, Zera, Greymane, etc.)
Uther - chunk heals + set up
Malf - vision, zoning, sustain (vision ward thing is pretty much required)
Reghar - diver support, good peel late game (for your Sonyas, Diablos, Greymanes)
Moralies - "protect the X" composition (Cho'gall, Illidan, Greymane)


Specialists are wildcards in that they're pretty flexible regardless of which team comp. Xul, Sylv, Zagara have strong engage/disengage depending on which ult and when you use them. Murky is good for splitpushing objs like Dragon, Garden, etc.

>>147742603
>>147740478
>>147743161
Okay. So don't bother unless the opportunity is right.

>>147745521

>Warriors:
Anub'arak
ETC
Muradin (though, is he any good after the upcoming nerfs?)
Johanna

>Assassins:
Falstad
Greymane
Kael'thas
Li-Ming
Thrall

>Supports:
Brightwing (is it any good after the upcoming nerfs?)
Kharazim
Lt. Morales
Rehgar

>Specialists:
Nazeebo
Xul
Zagara

why is dehaka so fucking shit, how do you guys build him

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>>147746391
>doesn't mention greymane
he's getting stronger next patch too you know

>>147746885
he's cool too i guess
good 3rd/4th pick
i wouldn't pick him early or it's too easy to counter him

>>147746768
dehaka is pretty shit right now, like a worse version of artanis

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>check captain's profile during draft
>see this
>enemy team has two grandmasters, one at #6

predictions on how bad this assraping is going to be?

>>147746391

>i have to git gud with literally all of those characters.

fuck that

i want to make a youtube channel with guides,
\suggestions?
thinking in murky/valla/sonya guides

>>147750010
>youtube channel for a dead game
Dead channel incoming

>>147746391
>Jaina - good vs dive comps (will probably die, but helps set up good trades)
She isn't good vs dive comps, she is the easiest assassin to kill because she has no defensives. You really don't want to worry about playing Jaina.

For burst get good with greymane or falstad, Jaina is a very bad assassin right now, if not the worst.