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Reminder that SteIIaris has its own general and discussion of the game doesn't go here. Thank you.

We don't have an official steam or discord group. If anyone posts in the thread about any "official" or not steam or discord groups, promising MP or not, be sure it's a shitposter group known for organizing raids and shitposting in the thread. They are known for false-flagging.
Report and ignore it.

How fares your empire, /gsg/?

This day in history, July 5th:
1809 – The largest battle of the Napoleonic Wars, the Battle of Wagram is fought between the French and Austrian Empires.
1811 – Venezuela declares independence from Spain.
1884 – Germany takes possession of Cameroon.
1940 – World War II: The United Kingdom and the Vichy France government break off diplomatic relations.
1943 – World War II: German forces begin a massive offensive against the Soviet Union at the Battle of Kursk, also known as Operation Citadel.


>News
HOI4 DD17/06
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/hoi4-dev-diary-june-17th-patch-1-1-red-ball-express.949237/

CK2 DD 11 - The End of Days
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/ck2-developer-diary-11-the-end-of-days.950847

>Random Country Picker
http://randomcountry.gbasood.net/

# Archive
https://mega.co.nz/#F!WZZFXDyT!yyb25ZuLdLs0B8vhoKS3LA

# Mods
>> READ THIS FIRST.
http://pastebin.com/cCdcev76

>>[HoI4] - More Music Mod
https://mega.nz/#F!v5wXURpJ!TvoBinBVQWJbaYJsluyoFA

>>[EU4] - Expensive Warfare Mod 1.0
http://pastebin.com/gThqFi54

>>[CK2 - 2.5.2] - After The End
https://github.com/notalbanian/postapoc

>>[V2] - Historical Project Mod 0.3.5.1 - 20/06/2016
http://pastebin.com/66gpxbKk

>>[V2] - Napoleon's Legacy v0.3.1.7
http://pastebin.com/sN1g69sr

>>[V2] Alternative Flag Pack V7
http://pastebin.com/PRQH8vcV

>>[V2] Many Houses Divided - v 0.0.1.1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jso7qa1c4ystej7/MHD.rar

>>[V2] - 7 Years v4.1
http://pastebin.com/fMCvXaAA

Old Thread >>147414204
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Reminder to report and ignore shitposting.
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Incoming steamgroup butthurt.
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Reminder to pay for the games you play
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Reminder to make Germaniums Grob again
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>>147477274
*cringes*
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>>147477274
What's that box above Scandinavia
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>[V2] - Legacy of Slovenia v1.01*°
http://pastebin.com/72Yhqm5i

>>[V2] - unHPM v1.5*°
http://pastebin.com/zK3YrpNx

>>[V2] - Robmod v2.5*
http://pastebin.com/MHswMhZi

>>[V2] - Visegradmod v3.2
http://pastebin.com/C8swKB9t

>>[V2] Liquor and Bureaucrats Mod 1.2*°
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ r1s3v3z0d17ctya/liquornbureaucrats.rar

>> Updated Waggle Pastebin*
http://pastebin.com/33A7wXdB

* The R&I will sperg out if you download this
° Alex da Silveira and his Grandi Youth will harass you if you download this

Reminder that unHPM is the arch-enemy of HPM.
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>>147476953
HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS
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>>147477120
It's basically suicide to use that law though.
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>>147477551
Based Cobra
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>>147477275
>Meanwhile in Europe
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>>147477551
>The R&I will sperg out if you download this
No he won't, he is a bot
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>>147477678
But he does, he has tried several times to delete that post and engaged in several spergouts to try to rally his supporters (Grandi Youth) to make it a bannable offence. Luckily your friends at Radical Yugoslavia are aware of this and quickly put it up again to remind the R&I that he can't monopolize the mods /gsg/ plays.
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Arumba
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>>147478131
has he offed himself yet?
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JUST
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>>147478080
The only reason those mods are not in the OP is because there is no space, and those mods are associated with shitposters or are rarely updated.
The only reason anybody reports that is because you use it to derail the thread, nothing more.
If you want those mods to have recognition, add them to the archive.
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>>147477658
>french north Africa isn't Vichy
what the hell game
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>>147478131
me on the right
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>>147478583
>those mods are rarely updated
>Napoleon Legacy
dead. 4 times
>7 years
Dead
>Many Houses Divided
deader than dead
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>>147478624
Why so nazi, anon? Can you show me on this doll where did the jew touch you?
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Did HPM fix the economy yet?
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>>147478871
The same way people "fix" their pets.
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>>147478871
>Victoria economy
>being fixable
wew, lad
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>>147478583
>no space
Of course there's no space when you waste it on two useless warnings. Also, most generals use the first post as a place for extra links, but you seem really bent on shitposting the thread with another warning that attracts nothing but drama

>associated with shitposters
This is meaningless.

>The only reason anybody reports that is because you use it to derail the thread
If you manufacture a drama over mod links of course that will derail the thread.

>If you want those mods to have recognition, add them to the archive.
Do you remember the last time someone played with Commiemod or Liangmod, yeah me neither. The links are more visible in the thread, where they belong.
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>>147479193
>le ebin jew meme

So original. Haven't seen that 1000 times before.
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>>147479564
I customized a patrician family in New York, gave the founder many stereotypical traits and went full meme lad, don't blame me
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>>147479564
>le reddit false flag bait
so original
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>>147477551
>>147478080
>>147479193
This mod always crashes on start-up for me
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>>147479781
Do you have the conclave patch? Or the previous one 2.4.5?
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>>147479564
>>147479738
Who are you quoting?
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>>147479193
>Of course there's no space when you waste it on two useless warnings. Also, most generals use the first post as a place for extra links, but you seem really bent on shitposting the thread with another warning that attracts nothing but drama
The warnings are there for a reason.

>This is meaningless.
To you maybe, but people don't like shitposting in general and if your mod list is filled with shitty meme mods, it's natural that you get adversity.

>If you manufacture a drama over mod links of course that will derail the thread.
You're the one creating drama, with the all the anti-HPM nonsense that does nothing but trigger autists, there is no organised "grandi youth" or "HPM defence force" people are just tired of you shitters attacking mod simply because it is popular.

>Do you remember the last time someone played with Commiemod or Liangmod, yeah me neither. The links are more visible in the thread, where they belong.
It's not like those mods are often updated so there is no reason to kick up a shitstorm over it.

Just fuck off to your steamgruppe
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>>147479872
My copy of Crusader Kings II should be up to date.
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>>147479909
it's actually a direct quote from johan
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stop using the old OP pic
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am i the only one here that loves dissolving retarded epic grossgermanium empires in gsg games?
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>>147480408
yes
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>>147480264
Surprised they have distant worlds and not stellaris
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>>147480408
>dissolves groBgermanium
>makes meme France blob
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>>147480563
Distant worlds is a good game.
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>>147476953
Nigger do you not work? Or sleep, either?
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>>147480264
The margins on this pic are cancer.
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>>147480660
so is EU3
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?
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>>147480689
You're fucking cancer go fuck yourself neckbeard
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>>147480264
>no EU4
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>>147480749
Memes and train timetables.
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>>147480749
Pasta
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Daily reminder that captain autismo replaced DH with HoI4 in the infopic because he hates the game
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>>147480640
>Sarre
>Catalogne
That's all rightful territory
>No Belgique
>No Flandres
>No Savoie
>No Corse
Literally the furthest thing from a blob I've ever seen

Daily reminder France's rightful territories stop at the Rhin
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>>147480043
>The warnings are there for a reason.
Yeah, to deter the hordes of stellaris posters that constantly shit up the thread and the warning that nobody reads or cares about, really useful me lad xDxD

>it's natural that you get adversity.
Only you are upset about it. When nobody posts the links I always see at least a couple of posts asking for unHPM and alternate v2 mods.

>people are just tired of you shitters attacking mod simply because it is popular.
When HPM fucks up, legions of shills appear to defend his decisions to the death, like No Iberia, Wallonia-France union, Vienna award borders in Transylvania, the Liquor and Steel prices etc... The HPMIDF is real me m8. We simply don't want the thread to become passive yes-men when it comes to that mod.

>Just fuck off to your steamgruppe
When you stop checking the group every day to screencap new comments and post them here and on /leftypol/ I will :^)
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>>147479193
tfw i can never get rid of the uncrowned trait in this mod
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>>147481003
>We simply don't want the thread to become passive yes-men when it comes to that mod.
Gotta agree with this one, and the worst thing is its literally just one autist. Its so annoying.
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To unite radicals and gsg as one,
To erect a flag of rebellion,
To get rid of the R&I and his autism,
To resurrect gsg,
To cut away OP corruption,
To save the people from the excesses of the Grandi Youth

Peace with Cobra, Down with the R&I!
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>>147481584
Obrigado, baseada Cobra
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Why don't you lads ever play Divergances? I mean ignoring your problems with PDM integration, it's really fun.
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>>147482180
>PDM
No its not
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>>147480870
The joke is that the trains running on time was a meme.
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>>147482180
link?
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>>147482405
That's not really a reason. You haven't elaborated what your problem is.
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>>147482485
>Horse factories
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AARnon, if you see this, you better not get married again.
Don't sully her memory.
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Is there a way to get rid of India in CK2+?
And for that matter, Western Africa?
Literally pointless regions of the world that do nothing but gobble up resources.
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>>147482987
There are mods that remove them, yes. CK2+ map overhaul has a lite version that does that, but I'm pretty sure there are non-overhaul mods that do it too.
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>>147483167
Link to CK2+ lite?
I know you can remove India. I have a mod that does just that, but it doesn't work with CK2+
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>>147482747
Don't worry lad, barring events which force me to become lustful, etc., Baudouin will be celibate the rest of his life. And even if he does take a mistress, he would never marry her.
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>>147483293
Derp, I'm sorry, I think I got things mixed up. It's HIP that has the map mod that removes India and Africa.
CK2+ used to have a submod for that, but it's unmaintained IIRC
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>>147482485
Yes I did, its PDM. Stop shilling your shitty mod here anyway
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>>147476953
Reminder that spam is a form of shitposting and against the rules and a reportable offense.
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>>147483867
>unable to offer any criticism
talex
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>>147483867
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Help, there's a Brazil in my Brazil.
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>>147485091
>Brazil
>Civilized nation
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>>147485150
>Brazil
>Anarchy
>Ruled by bourgeois dictators
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>>147485150
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>>147485278
>bourgeois dictatorship
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>>147485296
me in the left upper corner
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>>147476936
>July 5th
FUCKING EUROFAGS
GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY THREAD
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>>147478131
look at that gut
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>>147485539
Good post
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>>147485539
bit mad that one innit
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>>147478552
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>Zoroastrians
>finally get my hands on Khiva after years of fucking around with court intrigue under a Sunni liege
>Abbasid blob stretches right through persia
>they declare war
>they send in a fucking 15k stack
>ive got enough money for mercenaries for equal numbers, with a small advantage
>charge into battle
>I easily win
>in 2.4.5 or lower updates that battle would have ended the war
>SHATTERED FUCKING RETREAT WITH 75% OF THEIR FORCES
>6 months later they come back with 20k stack whilst being in debt, while I was still dirt poor from hiring all those mercenaries for the one battle (disbanded them right after)
Paradox is so fucking incompetent, I hope Johan chokes to death on Wiz's cancerous ballsack
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>>147485739
stop being bad
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>>147485739
>SHATTERED FUCKING RETREAT WITH 75% OF THEIR FORCES
You have yourself to blame for playing 2.5
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>>147485820
oh yeah its my fault the AI gets retarded bonuses
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>>147485898
Yes it is all your fault now stop being bad
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>>147486030
top tier shitpost lad
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>>147486101
Calling something a shitpost doesn't make it not true, baddy
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>>147485820
>>147486030
t. Wiz 'mp balance & women rights in the middle ages lmao' Anward
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>>147486180
im sure it does
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>>147486206
Wiz is based

>>147486291
dumb baddy maybe when you wisen up you can beat our shitty AI :^)
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>>147486393
t. 'thick skinned' Wiz dishing out salty """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""banter""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
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>Its a strong HRE
I didnt know how easy it was to keep it strong, just ally with them and be decently strong. No ones dared to war with them, and Austria keeps the internal cogs running.

Now, question. Hungry game.

>Catholic
>Protestent
>Reformed
Pick one.

Has nothing to do with stats, give me a successful kebab removers choice.
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>>147486552
Wiz is based
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>>147486581
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>>147486564
orthodox
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>>147485296
>tights and bitch slippers
thank god i dont live on pre 1800s earth
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>>147486801
Far too late for that, Ive removed them, there are 6 provinces left that hold it and they arent in my hands. Atleast in the area I plan on owning.
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>>147486859
>pre-1800s

nigga that's some time in the mid 1800s
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>>147485739
git gud
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>>147482485

FIX YOUR FUCKING MAP PDM, IT LOOKS LIKE SHIT REEEEEEEE.

If you do I might pirate your mod
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>>147485739
see >>147486946
& >>147485820
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>>147486695
There is literally nothing wrong with liquor.
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Do cappies ever build telephone/automobile/gear factories by themselves?

I want to rp a laissez-faire economy but always get paranoid late-game about lost shekels that I end up trying to get gommies or Fascists in.
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>>147487115
According to Comrade Alex, liquor is a capitalist bourgeois good that harms worker pops and must be nerfed, so I am forced to label your post as 't. rob' and suggest you go to a R&I reeducation camp.
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>>147487503
trob
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErVKHFG70Bs

Does anyone know what this song actually is? Or just more context on it? I mean obviously the title is the video's title but I can't find anything esle about it on google which is especially annoying since it sounds so familiar.
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>>147487648
I recognize it, it's CCR - It Ain't Me
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>>147487648
Anthem of the Ottoman Empire, Turkish Military March
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>>147487648
>http://www.ottoman-club.com
>It's in German
AYY LMAOOOOOOO
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>>147487648
>Read the description
>Google "Ottoman Anthem"
It's Abdülmecid I's anthem, composed by Giuseppe Donizetti. That sure was hard, wasn't it?
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rate my map
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>>147488164
>SC4

my nigga
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>>147488327
what's with all the fucking colroes
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>>147482485
Is it updated to 3.04?
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>>147488471
Colors of different shades represent separate 1st-level adminstrative divisions within a country, which are separated by blue lines.

Colors which are different represent different countries, separated by thicker, black lines.
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>there's unrest in south east asia after liberating them from the UK, France and the Netherlands
wew lad
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Don't worry AI, this is a fantastic idea that could not have any negative repercussions.
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>>147488858
who the fuck let HOI 4 become this
it's just an impossible to predict blobfest with no basis in reality
it's like they had a good base game, then let 50 schizophrenic people with no hands finish the rest
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>>147488819
t. ojo
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What are some lesser known gsg-approved films?

I'm bored of Distant Worlds and Vic2 and since paradox has ruined all of their other titles I need something else to do.

Pic related, would definitely recommend.
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>>147488979
It's clearly centred around multiplayer

>>147489037
Wild Geese
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and The Man Who Would be King, Sean Connery and Michael Cane travel to Afghanistan c. 1880 with a couple dozen rifles to make an army
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>>147488979

This is why I can only ever play Axis, Comintern, or a meme faction if I want to have anything close to fun. If you go allies, you literally don't have to do anything, the war wins itself unless you want to wreck the commies.
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Really newb CK2 question: how do I take back a county I gave to a guy in ck2? Will revoke title give me the county back? I tried killing the guy and it just gave it to someone else.

t-thanks
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>>147478131
Why is he with those "people"?
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>>147489586
are you actually retarded?
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how do i change the starting GPs and spheres and shit, i cant find it in the history files
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>>147489961
everyone has to start somewhere
>>147489586
the only way is to revoke or you can fuck with inheritance but that takes a while
if hes killed his child or heir takes the title
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Trying to play DH on W8, and I can't seem to get anything to make it work. The game caps out at about 5fps no matter what I do. I've done shit to my registry, fucked with the settings file, put it in windowed mode, put it in 16 bit colors, nothing seems to work. Anybody else have this problem?
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>>147490048
Starting GPs is based solely off of their starting prestige ranking, which you should find in the history/countries files. Starting spheres are defined in the history/units files.

t. Cobra
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>>147489586
Have your chancellor fabricate a claim on the county so you can revoke it without a relations penalty.
>>147490080
>the only way is to revoke or you can fuck with inheritance but that takes a while
>if hes killed his child or heir takes the title
Also, if there is no heir the title goes to whoever's vassal held it, which in this case is you.
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>>147490209
well, thats a weird place to put spheres in, thanks lad
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>>147489586
I think there's a plotting option for that, check out the intrigue screen
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Where were you were when kraut was kill?
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>>147490503
I love that game's map
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FOR SWEDEN! FOR DIVERSITY! WE SAY YES!
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By the way what the fuck is this?
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>>147485296
literally me in the middle
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>>147488979
By good base game you mean HoI3, right?
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>>147490503
>unused IC
>ahead of time research
>AI control
>Using partisans

ae remember when /gsg/ cared about these things?
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>>147487148
Yes.
Those are some of the most profitable factories in the game. Of course the AI will spam them.
Now tanks and planes, you might have to force.
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>>147491408
Since there are 3 (or 4?) different types of democratic parties you can install your own favorite flavor.
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>>147488674
>Russian Patagonia
>Russian Mali
>Russian Iberia
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in the EU4 mega link, there's a "53 DLC" and "DLC Activator". do i run the DLC, then activator, or do i only need one or the other?
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>>147488674
You're map's outdated lad, france has way less regions now
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What does expensive warfare do?
Does it change the game enough for me to reinstall EU4?
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>>147492767
You buy the game.
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>>147481003
>When you stop checking the group every day to screencap new comments and post them here and on /leftypol/ I will :^)

Fucking hell, that was savage.
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Well gsg, how am I doing? Any requests? Also, the Romanovs became the ruling dynasty during the war that resulted in St. Mecklemburg (St. Petersburg) becoming German clay.
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?
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>every major CK2 overhaul keeps India
>except SWMH
>which adds in 1000000000 pointless provinces in the Sahara and West Africa
Why don't map modders understand some people don't want characters that do nothing but slow down the game?
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Why does the archive not have the South Indian portraits?
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how to convert a 3.03 mod to 3.04?
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>>147494925
It's a fucking free DLC, why would archive have it
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>>147495215
>implying I own the game
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>>147495104
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>>147495104
I'm tipping my fedora harder than it's ever been tipped.
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>>147494270
This used to be a valid meme, but the SWMH team made mini-SWMH like six months ago, and it rips out India and all the Sahara provinces as well.
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>>147495104
ebin as fug
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>>147495215
It's free IF you own the game. If you don't own it you can't supply the needed CD-key.
Faggot
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>>147489037
Watch Deutschland 83, it's really good.

PUNISHED MARTIN
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>>147495641
Then buy the game?
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niggers
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>>147496224
Finally, a post we can all get behind!
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SWEDEN YES!

Allies were destroying Hitler and Mussolinni. Sweden decides to be a hero and declares against the Soviets for Leningrad. Ruskis have over 800 divisions and are pouring into the Rhinelands.

Historical AI. Not even once.
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>>147495104
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>>147497279
HaHa where did you find this one?
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What the fuck, guys. I thought a Paradox gsg of all things would be safe to play around my kids, but I boot it up and there's this gore all over the screen and my kids start screaming behind me and I think my wife is going to leave me. pic related
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>>147497635
Believable Worlds
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>>147497779
Oh, you should've seen my cherokee game where GB and some random allies of his decided it made sense to ferry 60,000 men across the Atlantic just to push my red-skinned shit in.
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>>147482473
>>147488606
Sadly, the main forum is at Pdox
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/mod-divergences-of-darkness.870326/

History for various countries is here:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/divergences-of-darkness-history-thread.823974/

But it is hosted externally,

Main mod:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/u0osjfn20q5hh2h/Divergences%20of%20Darkness%200.85.5.rar?dl=0

And hotfix
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/mod-divergences-of-darkness.870326/page-86#post-20398805

>>147483867
I'm not the author, just a lurker who likes it.
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>>147489037
Day of the Jackal? Fredrick Forsyth is seriously one of the great authors of our time, and a guy who knows the world of mercenaries and shadows extensively.
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Is it just me or is the Mongol Empire terrible in CK2 and struggles to invade anything
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I don't know if you're still there, but thanks for the tips Scandinaviabro. I managed to form while keeping Schleswig-Holstein and Prussia is getting properly shitted. I'm running a little late for the scramble because I didn't store enough RP to rush MGs, but it will be sorted out in time.
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>>147496893
Hearts of Iron IV reminds me of the time my girlfriend mocked my small dick and then spat in my face and left
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>>147500247
>anti-war
>also an interventionist
retard
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>>147500247
>>147501668

>kind
>also wroth
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>>147500247
JUST
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>>147500247
>chaste, proud
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>>147500247
>free trade
what a globalist cuck

Why don't people understand that a kumbaya we all stand together mentality will only pacify us as a race and lead to our inevitable extermination at the hands of aliens?

Earth is our testing ground, we need to divide ourselves and constantly compete and struggle to determine who is on top. We need to ensure that one day when we begin spreading throughout the galaxy and beyond we have our best most formidable representation of humanity we could come up with on Earth. Otherwise we will end up as slaves or simply genocided by some xeno scum.
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>>147481003
Iberia is dumb as shit but I agree on the general sentiment
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>>147502859
>Current work: none
What a surprise
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>>147502590
wew
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I never played GSG until stellaris and hoi4, but now I want more. Should I play eu4 or ck2 next?
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>>147504149
>stellaris
>hoy4
>grand strategy
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>>147504149
Both are great games and you should play both, just make sure you get all the DLCs.
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>>147504278
pls no bully, i just want to be autistic
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What could go wrong?
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>>147504335
>I want to be autistic
If you're not already autistic, you're not going to like grand strat
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>>147504472
ck2+
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>>147504427
>Celtic Union
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>>147504335
Get out.
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>>147504427
>prussia almost controlling Hamburg
>but neither Königsberg, nor Memel
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How the fuck do you survive a 769 start as Asturias in CK2?
I thought I'd ally with Charlemagne but after we were allied he never sent help. Just did his own thing.
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>>147505750
You mean Kaliningrad and Klaipėda right?
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What are some decent 4X / Strategy / Grand-Strat games that have actually decent, competent AIs to play against? It seems as if though every single one I try out has potato-tier AIs that can just be easily exploited through loopholes / doing cheeky things the devs never thought of.
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>>147505820
Convert to the one true religion. Then Jew the ummads out of Iberia
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>>147506040
Hearts of Iron IV
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>>147506129

Well memed my friend :^)
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Been away for 2 weeks. Any new /gsg/ memes popped up?
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>>147506202
t. steamgrüppe
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>>147506090
You want me to convert to mudslime, swear fealty and destroy them from within?
That's not a very righteous reconquista.
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>>147506398
You said you wanted to survive not have a righteous reconquista
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In HoI IV can I get a more detailed view of casualties in a war like how much equipment i've lost?
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>christians deus vult'ing everything in HIP
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>>147506916
We'll add that in the upcoming DLC.
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>>147506923
>maronites only have two provinces
never thought nestorians would have competition for smallest Christian sect
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>>147506923
I dont see the problem
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>>147506923
Good times
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Wait did Paradox seriously go on vacation for a month while HoI IV is in shambles?
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>>147506915
Fair enough.
How can I do both?
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>>147507028
They actually only have one in Beirut
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will suck dick for a upload of HIP for CK2 2.5.2
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should I sit on my forts or rush B no stop?
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>>147507307
Here m8

http://www.torrentdownload.on.zoy.org/7b5bfc998a55%Historical-Immersion-Project-Mod-Patch-2&%5&%2/
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>>147507295
Who controls Sidon?
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>>147507419
uninstall.exe
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>>147507459
seems legit
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>>147507221
They should just outsource development to poland or some other country where you aren't allowed to take vacation.
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>>147507294
Swear fealty to charlameme when if he forms HRE or somehow hold the u mad caliph's close relatives hostage so he can't declare war.
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>>147477658
Ive taken back all of my northern territory plus some. The south is still in a stalemate but I hope to break that soon with tank production, though I feel like just putting AT guns in my infantry divisions would be better. Thoughts?
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>>147507928
>just putting AT guns in my infantry divisions would be better
Usually not worth it. How many tank divisions doees the jap ai have in your game?
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>>147507928
Surprising, though I dont think I need them at this point.
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>>147508171
I cant see any divisions, it mostly looks like they focused on motorized with maybe one tank in a division.
>>
gh
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>>147507462
The province is Isma'ili but controlled by the Byzantines
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>>147508478
it looked like maronites controlled it
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>>147508363
They start with inf divisions with one tank. The ai probably didn't make anymore, so at guns would be a waste. Just try to get a few tank divisions going yourself
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>>147506923
>all those wastelands
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>>147507221
Sweden goes on vacation in July. France goes on vacation in August. Honestly, if you can't be bothered to check the calendar, I don't know why you come in.
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>>147481003
>like No Iberia, Wallonia-France union, Vienna award borders in Transylvania, the Liquor and Steel prices etc
>waahh HPM doesn't agree with me in my meme unions, in nazist-created borders or the price of stuff
>if he doesn't do what I WANT he fucked up
>WTF there's people who agree with him
>No we can't allow this HPMIDF/trillions of shills
Look lad, the only one with a "IDF" here is you
You created a group dedicated to do whatever the fuck you want, to try and kick someone out and to change our thread

It's pretty ironic you accuse people of having an IDF because they don't want to do what YOU want them to do in THEIR mod when YOU are the one with a group created to do your bidding, not them
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>>147508208
>Poor Little Jap boy

In other news all the rest of the Axis got drawn into this conflict, but thankfully I joined the allies so now I cant fight their war for them.
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>>147509181
>everyone going on vacation at the same time
How can this company function?
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Is a German surface fleet a viable option compared to U-boats fucking everywhere in HoI4?
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>>147509567
Just doomstack the anglo's shit up
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>>147509508
How can an entire retarded nation that goes on vacation for the entirety of July function?
Answer: It literally doesn't, and invites migrants in to rape all its young females
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>>147509567
Give it a try. Even your advisors seem to be biased towards subs and commerce raiding though, they're all geniuses, while the cap and carrier focused ones are simply experts.
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>>147509567
Just spam CL and DD. I had a fleet of 32 with a few battlecruisers and heavies thrown in and it won nearly every naval engagement.
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>>147509492
Toss them back into the sea!
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>>147509567
British doomstacks tend to wreck your shit.
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>>147509865
Now you need to research the technology, and build the equipment to invade Japan, because no one else will, and it may take you a year or two.
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>>147509632
>le funny immigrants maymay
Seriously though, who thought having everyone go on holiday at the same time was a good idea?
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>>147510289
Several years ago France experienced a heat wave that killed a number of elderly. Doctors and caregivers were on vacation.
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>>147509865
There arent even Japanese people defending Korea anymore.
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>>147510767
>Japans divisions vs mine
>tfw me and the UK are the only ones doing anything
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>>147510289
In Germany, evening schools requested the same holidays as public schools. So everybdoy wanting to do a language course or some such over the Summer is fucked.

And oh yeah, health workers are also cucked out of the communist general holiday as well. having to work all year.
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>>147510767
Tibet, Xinjiang, the Ma clique, Mongolia, Tuva, Yunnan, the Guanxi clique, Taiwan, Korea, and Outer Manchuria are all Chinese clay.
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>>147506040
Distant Worlds AI with the AI mod , beware, pretty ruthless and aggressive.
>>
Is Historical Alex Project multiplayer compatible? Asking for a friend
>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5EA5p5lyj8
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>>147511081
>health workers are also cucked out of the communist general holiday as well. having to work all year.
That is only reasonable though.
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>>147511150
Mongolians are closer to finns than chinese though.
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>>147511225
It totally is, because so are policemen and military staff but why aren't school teachers (who are state officials for some reason)?

The continent is a bureaucratic hell hole.

I just want all officials to have the same status of nurses and soldiers. Doughnut dippers don't deserve better.
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>>147510767
It was a little rough the first year but when production kicked into high gear they ahd no chance.

>Tfw still basic infantry equipment

Southeast asia is the current allied front, I would take the time to annex the warlord states but it wont let me justify the wargoal, probably because I am in the allies.
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>>147511351
>>147511225
>>147511081
>>147510289
Tell me europoors
What's so difficult about just giving workers X days off a year and letting them take holidays when they want within reason? Why does EVERYONE need the same holiday?
True the US gets national holidays but those are few and far between.
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>>147511448
thats not how it works you fucking burger
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>>147511448
It goes back to having complicted legal codes that stretch back to before Napoleon. Hell, there is shit from before Weimar in our public law.

Common law is much sexier in that regard. Courts just constantly update anglo law so that businesses don't need to put up with tons of legal effort.

Why do you think the EU is in this state? Because the Germans and the fucking French built it up and crammed French bureaucracy all the way up its arse.

Why do you think that there is an EU regulation on fucking straight bananas?

Written legal code that keeps bureaucrats fat and lazy.
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>america
>supposed to be first world
>doesn't even have free healthcare

Holy shit lol
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>>147511667
>Everyone complains about everyone getting the entire month off
>Why does it work this way?
>but that's not how it works
Oh so you're just entitled.
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>>147511732
>Why do you think that there is an EU regulation on fucking straight bananas?

Probably because someone tried fucking a straight banana once, it got lodged in his colon, and the banana claimed it was raped.
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>>147511667
Fuck our German entitlement and our fat-ass pension-guzzling teacher cunts.
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>>147511838
And then goes on to send someone else's son to Afghanistan where HE gets killed BY HIS OWN OUTDATED EQUIPMENT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>147511448
>What's so difficult about just giving workers X days off a year and letting them take holidays when they want within reason?
That's mostly the norm in Germany though. Only some of the more useless state employees and school teachers get a holiday like that here.
For example, my dad used to work in a ministry and he didn't have a scheduled holiday, instead he had I think up to 31 days per year that he could take off. That's why I was so surprised over a normal, private company having a scheduled holiday like that.
>>
>bought Hoi 4
>out of money
>21
>rock bottom
>only have 2 dollars to spare for food every week
>costcutters
>buy 4 of these 50 cent instant meals
>cantbetoobad.jpeg
>get home
>hungry as fuck
>pop one of those fuckers in
>have to ration them out over 7 days
>couldbeworse.png
>microwave dings
>pull that fucker out
>so hungry i dont even hesitate to any extent
>the only thing i cared about is getting that shit in my mouth
>take 4 bites without blinking
>suddenly urge to vomit
>brain catches up to reality
>meal smells like fucking death
>vomit everywhere
>my spare 2 dollars wasted on vomit machines
>cant eat for the rest of the week
>cant eat regardless due to holocaust food poisoning
>game sucks ass
fucking Johan
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>>147512175
>>
>Want to reclaim Constantinople as rightful greek clay
>Entire world goes to war with me to stop it
Race traitors all of them.
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>>147512476
This site is for people older than 18.
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>>147512476
>HOY4
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>>147480670
No, my good Anon I do not work, I live the superior NEET life. With my ample free time I am able to pursue fine arts and also ensure that the highest quality thread on /vg/ remains so.
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>>147504427
>slovenia is so small it still remains intact
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>>147512546
>>147512579
>>147512607
These are ugly posts
Please don't post this in MY thread, it offends my cosmopolitan posting sensibilities.

t. a willy fan
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>>147511376
>Not have any planes in your homeland

ISHYGDDT
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>>147512730
Deleted my post for you, does that make it better?
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>>147512794
Yes thank you friend, a franco-iberia union bump for you
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>>147477212
underrated post
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>>147512978
overrated post
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>>147512791
>Meanwhile, In the western front
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>>147512175
>>bought Hoi 4
There's your problem
>>
>>147513304
>italy not dying in half a year
what is this
>>
>>147513304
It happens in every game. Those British fuckers keep redeploy their army around the world. Their troops spend more time on ships than on land.
>>
Any EU4 mods that let me form an English-French union?

looking to add the files to my personal mod.
>>
Whats bettsr
Greek Hellenic Egypt
Egyptian Coptic Egypt
Or Arabic Sunni Egypt?
I feel like an aegyptus run since my only foray into middle eastern politics have been in iberia or crusading
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>>147513912
Italy is based
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>>147514315
Greek Norse Egypt
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>>147514367
W-wew lad
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>>147514315
Nubian Egypt :^)
>>
>>147514395
Not even entirely sure how you'd accomplish this but make it happen pls, I will give you (you)s all the way
>>
>>147513129
underrated post
>>
>>147514626
rated post
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>>147514513
WE
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What major should I play as with ai historical focus turned off?
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>>147514741
Poland
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>>147514741
prussia
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>>147514741
Ming.
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>naval bomb Britain
>make sure have air superiority
>build marines
>invade
>there is like 10 divisions half of them not even British
why do I even bother
>>
>>147514947
I'm still not sure why any of you are playing HoI4
>>
>>147515089
Its sorta fun, not like irredeemable shit that EU4 is.

Besides I just started
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Post big battles
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Does anyone have that Nazi anti-Semitic propaganda picture with Johan's head instead of the Jew? pls gib
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>>147515416
Which one? There are a few
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>>147515473
that was the one, thanks
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>>147514741
What does it matter? Historical focus doesn't seem to do anything, on or off.

>>147515242
Bullshit, EUIV was fun back in the days, and is still with the right mods.

HoI4 is horse shit though. Darkest Hour is way better.
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>>147478552
>he's not called Justinian
wasted opportunity
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>>147515597
>Bullshit, EUIV was fun back in the days, and is still with the right mods.
>>
>>147512104
What would have made more sense would have been for Paradox to wait until after their holiday to release the game. That way they'd be refreshed and actually have to deal with issues.
>>
>>147509262
>Iberia & Wallonia-France are meme unions
>Even more than the fucking Arab Blob and the PLC
>This is what talex judges as believable, plausible worlds

WEW
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>>147514570
One way I could see it would be to give the Varangian Guard control of Egypt as reward for services rendered. Brother or whatever gets a claim and the Norse decide to invade.
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>>147516008
>I think that X make as much sense as Y so Y should be in too waaahh stop oppressing me fucking hpmidf
kek
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>>147516264
>You will do this
>No, I don't agree for these reasons
hpm
>Fucking hpmidf keeping me down why doesn't he do what I want in his mod he's controlling EVERYTHING and people agree with him instead of me what the fuck fucking hpmidf
>alright steamgroup, let's try to kick him out since he doesn't do what I want
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EU4 babby here

It doesn't seem to make any difference if I give countries provinces like I promise them when I call them into wars

Does it?
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>>147514045
coptic of course

reclaim the alexandrian episcopal see as a solomonid
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>People still playing hoy 4
How are you guys not bored of it yet? It's shallow and easy and there's only like 8 countries worth playing... How do you keep it fresh?
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>>147514301
Lads?
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Should I use a revolter or one of the Jurchen tribes to unite China?

How much of East Asia is rightful China "proper"?
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>>147516956
Guten morgen
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>>147517167
>How much of East Asia is rightful China
All of it
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>>147498138
Hotfix can't be accessed outside the forum, mirror?
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GreekMod guy here
So I've done a shit ton of changes for this and I can't list them all in one changelog.

Enjoy: http://www.mediafire.com/download/zdo05x1o24yk4z6/GreekMod.rar

I've been also interested in making the ultimate German flavour mod too, would anyone be interested in that?
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>>147517167
This >>147517325

Only stop when you border Bengal
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>>147517325
>>147517458
Directly or indirectly?

there's also still the question of who
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>>147516414
>tfw I actually spent several threads arguing with the HPMIDF about Iberia a long time ago
>I presented my sources, which were in spanish
>They all got dismissed because nobody in this fucking thread can read spanish
>Also, because le english wikipedia and le british scholar said it was impossible lmao
>That was judged more valuable than 19th century spanish writings
>I also learned that all the intellectuals I quoted were irrelevant because they were catalan/didn't write in english/weren't known in the english world
>Apparently that wasn't enough to demonstrate that the idea floated in the minds of people, even statesmen, even if it wasn't too popular.
>B-but the PLC is ok because Pildsudski had a wank thinking about it xDxD

No lad, I already learned my lesson. I'm not going to waste my time again arguing with memers and shills.
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>>147517326
Ooops, sorry, that was just a link to the page where the fix is listed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gp6khtm8ehn7vy9/interface.rar?dl=0
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>>147517945
Post link to the posts in the archive, I want to read these sources
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>>147517945
>Catalan intellectuals
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>>147517945
Who the fuck reads such a shit language anyways?

Nah, I know your pain. Just make a submod, and put it in. That's the best way I've learned, to get around modders who don't want to do something. It may actually migrate back to the base mod.

Demonstrate excellence
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>>147517945
Oh, you are that guy
>le three catalan anarchists think it's a good idea
>so it's totally plausible guys!

>Spanish and Portuguese crown don't want it
>the portuguese don't want it
>the spanish don't want it
>sources presented that the idea was very unpopular, that the portuguese and spanish had a big enmity that didn't disappear until mid 20th century even without mentioning the border problems

>but let's overlook ALL that, le three catalan anarchists wanted it so it's totally plausible

Your sources were retarded
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Am I really supposed to take the stab hits for declaring no CB wars on all the protestant pissants as Austria in EU4? My IA is disappearing out the window fast. Why am I not getting a religious CB to convert member states?
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Why didn't you lads tell me Paradox sometimes makes good music?

Seriously, listen to this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quP_YS4fan0

It's fucking beautiful.
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>>147517553
Try Jianzhou
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>>147517996
Thanks anon. Looks interesting. Not sure I agree with some of these PDM changes, but then HPM is pretty bad nowadays too.

Interested in how an unciv so close to europe can far, so I'll be playing crimea my first game.
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>>147518313
Let's be honest, "doesn't want it" means "can't say they want it because it would cause immediate political problems".

>people can't decide to reconcile their differences in an alt-history game
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>>147518769
>but then HPM is pretty bad nowadays too.
How so?
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>>147518110
Let me look it up. That was roughly 6 months ago.

>>147518185
>>147518313
>eminent intellectuals
>B-but they're catalan anarchists they're irrelevant :'(

Also:
>Spanish and Portuguese crown don't want it
The keyword here is CROWN

>the portuguese don't want it
>the spanish don't want it
>sources presented that the idea was very unpopular, that the portuguese and spanish had a big enmity that didn't disappear until mid 20th century even without mentioning the border problems

Have you polled the farmers in Kazakhstan if they would like to form an union with their neighbors called Turkestan? Of course you didn't, of course HPM didn't, it was simply deemed as plausible. I don't have to demonstrate that the idea was popular or inevitable just that it was plausible.

What I argued is that, to undo the centuries of rivalry, the spanish would have needed to do something incredible to win back the portuguese, like siding with them during the 1890 ultimatum and winning the war against the UK. Tell me if that wouldn't have been enough for the populace to begin to seriously consider a closer alliance and perhaps, an union.
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>>147518884
>centuries of rivalry and distrust should vanish because some catalan anarchists wanted an utopic state in iberia

This reminds me of a post in the TaleWords forums where one guy was making an absurd suggestion and when someone rebuked his suggestion for not being realistic he claimed "well in this game you level up so it's not realistic so this unrealistic thing should go in". It's essentially a slippery slope.
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>>147518719
>sample music
>good
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberian_Union

daily reminder
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So I'm done with this campaign. The goal was to make sure Germany didn't form. What should I play now? I kinda want to play an unciv that's not Japan.

Also rate Europe pls
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>>147518921
Sorry, not gonna be drawn into your silly charade HPMIDF.
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>>147519024
fuck off back to your steamgroup
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>>147518719
lots of good music in CK2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bPMzD7xY1A
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>>147518769
You'll like it, I think so. Sadly, the Histories thread is at Paradox forums, so if you can't read it, some things won't make much sense.

The mod is a lot more fluid than baseline V2 will be. Very few events are at nearly always happens tier, and even then, none as far as I know are at 100%. Well no, maybe one, but that's about it. It's a bit like Kaiserreich in that regard.

Crimea westernizes pretty fast, they should be near civ already. Unfortunately, I'm not sure how far their content has gone, I know some work's been done in the area of peoples, pretty much all of Central Asia was redone since the last version.
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>>147519075
>he doesn't own Åland
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>>147519101
>ask question
>muh HPMIDF
wew so you were just shitposting
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Iberia is literally as implausible as Babylon. If you think otherwise then kill yourself.
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>>147519269
talex
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>>147519269
iberia being united? impossible. it has only been united four times before and only 50% of the population wants it.
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>>147519265
>wanting to play games rather than waste time discussing mods with idiots who just want to shut out other mods is shitposting.
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>>147519024
>eminent intellectuals
They were eminent catalan anarchist intellectuals aka completely irrelevant in spain and the rest of the world

>The keyword here is CROWN
And the landed nobility and the rich and basically everyone
>two countries that had a longstanding enmity suddenly becoming ok with each other in the ERA OF NATIONALISM
WEW

>Have you polled the farmers in Kazakhstan if they would like to form an union with their neighbors called Turkestan?
>comparing uncivilized pops and nomads to europeans in the era of nationalism
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW

>I don't have to demonstrate that the idea was popular or inevitable just that it was plausible.
It wasn't plausible, just because Trotskiyst or whatever communist shitfuck thought communist was plausible doesn't make it true
Just because 3 anarchists from catalonia think it's plausible doesn't make it true either

>seriously consider a closer alliance and perhaps, an union.
>in the era of nationalism, when passions are high, after centuries of rivalry, after the colonization of the new world, after centuries of an alliance with the UK, with the portuguese proud that they ended their PU by force with spain they would just throw that all of the window if spain won a war against the UK
>the spanish would submit to the portuguese in a union for the same reason
>Spain would simply abandon their history of conquering and submitting kingdoms in the spanish culture to agree some compromise with the catalans, basques and protuguese
>even if they repress these to this day
>portugal would suddenly forget about nationalism if spain won a war

>>147519069
You can do that in any mod too, it's called "puppet nation".
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>>147519265
>I don't think hpm is good
>b-but why?!?!?
>*says why*
>f-fuck off back to your steamgrupppe you're just shitposting

why would he even waste his time on an autistic subhuman such as yourself
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>>147519037
>sample

And where is this sampled from, exactly?

You do know that the tune for Oh I'm A Good Rebel is quite different, and it isn't (at least usually, I can't claim to know every instance of the song) played with horns or strings besides a banjo or guitar, right?

>>147518769
Is the green Russia?
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>>147519403
>shut other mods
>a guy who literally gives a link to other mods if you ask

>wanting to play games
and yet you started this, but refuse to explain

>147519463
>*says why*
Where? Because he didn't say it
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>>147519075
Vietnam is comfy
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>>147519465
You might wanna look up what sampling actuallly means in a musical context, laddo, but to save you the time, game music (barring few examples) isn't actually recorded, it's manufactured by using huge databases of individual sound bits.
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>>147519069
>The Habsburg king was the only element of connection between the multiple kingdoms and territories. The governments, institutions, and legal traditions of each kingdom remained independent of each other
really makes you think
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Good Italian EU4 music?
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>>147519680
Oh right, that. Sorry, thought you meant the other sense.

Wait, so you think music can only be good if it's done with a full orchestra? I mean, I guess that's an opinion, but how many people are you cutting yourself off from then?

I've tried Reason, but just didn't have the patience to stick with it. Maybe one day I'll try again.
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>>147519463
>*says why*
Shit, I must have missed that part.
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>>147519821
he probably posted it but HPM went back in time again to delete it from our memories
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>>147518769
Going to try and control the black sea. Safavid war had to end due to a rebellion appearing under my invading units

>>147519560
Already said I'm not being drawn into your shitposting ring. Sorry. I know this infuriates you and that you'll pretend I'm the one shitposting for not shitposting.
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>>147519821
>inb4 he makes a list of things he doesn't agree like "Iberian union isn't in but scandinavia is" or "liquor being too cheap"
>>
>Charlemagne DLC was released 2 years ago
>Still 16$
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>>147519560
>it's the archive autist again

He obviously wasn't talking about HPM, he was talking about you.

>>147519821
I was just a mock retraction of how these kind of conversations usually go.
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How ruined would this country be if this happened irl during this time period.

Also when the war started I was the only one with cannons out of the 4 people on my side, despite all of them having higher mil tech them me (was 1 down at 7 because I was finishing my idea)
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>>147519887
But you are shitposting. I made an innocent question about why you think something and you immediately started spouting "hpmidf" like some schizo.

If you didn't want to answer, you could simply say "I don't want to tell you why I don't like HPM".

>>147520004
>it's the archive autist again
Who? Since when using the archive became a bad thing?

>He obviously wasn't talking about HPM, he was talking about you.
>Why HPM has gone to shit
>YOU WANT TO SHUT DOWN MODS I WON'T ANSWER HPMIDF
That sure escalated quickly, my strawman friends.
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>>147519075
Sokoto. Continue the eternal Jihad.
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>>147517374
Can you take over development of /gsg/ mod?
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Are there any religions that allow you to marry relatives in the After The End Mod?
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>>147518313
>anarchists
>want a big unified state

Man wtf even is anarchism
Such a meme ideology
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>>147519269
>>147519334
Believe it or not, looking in the archive, this was an actual quote during that discussion:
>Iberia, Byzantium, Babylonia all fall under the unplayable to fantasy shit category

>>147518110
>https://books.google.es/books?id=wYCKX3gkrxYC&lpg=PA200&dq=&hl=es&pg=PA200#v=onepage&q&f=false
For starters this. TL,DR: It was plausible, but the idea didn't spread far enough for people to ponder on it. Both crowns were against it and supported the status quo.

>>147519420
>They were eminent catalan anarchist intellectuals aka completely irrelevant in spain and the rest of the world
>It wasn't plausible, just because Trotskiyst or whatever communist shitfuck thought communist was plausible doesn't make it true
>Just because 3 anarchists from catalonia think it's plausible doesn't make it true either
Ah yes, Mendizábal, Unamuno, General Prim, the second president of the republic amongst others were commie irrelevant fucks in Spain. Excellent arguments me m8 :^)

>And the landed nobility and the rich and basically everyone
Proofs?

>comparing uncivilized pops and nomads to europeans in the era of nationalism
Yes, I also wonder why the uncivilized pops and nomads get to unite in the Historical Project Mod.

>[rest of your post]
What? When did I imply this? I simply said that the union could only have happened anyway with an extraordinary circumstance, like winning a war against the most powerful country in the world and getting their Mapa Color da Rosa handed to them. The ultimatum was undeniably the height of portuguese iberism, while the spanish iberism peaked in the short-lived republic, without the constraints of the crown.
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>>147520591
They didn't even want something like that, they wanted a federation
Probably some shit like the commonewealth but evne more loosely held together
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>>147520172
>accuses others of strawmanning
>completely misinterprets other people's post

Alright, let me rephrase so it can get through your thick skull, HPM doesn't do anything bad, he's just a modder, but his little fan club he managed to attract is an absolute fucking blight.

>I made an innocent question

Yeah, that's why you're arguing with that guy that had the AUDACITY to say that HPM is bad for how many posts now? Pretty sure that constitutes as shitposting as well, but whatever.
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>it's an Iberian Union thread
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>>147520770
>but his little fan club he managed to attract is an absolute fucking blight.
So a mod has gone to shit because you don't like the people who like the mod for some reason?

>his little fan club
Shit, can you point me out there? Where's this alleged fan club?

>hat's why you're arguing with that guy that had the AUDACITY to say that HPM
NICE
STRAWMAN

>why?
>FUCKING HPMIDF FUCK OFF THE AUDACITY
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>>147520912
Everyone who doesn't agree with me is HPMIDF
>>
trobinho all up in here.

Stop falling for his shitposting.
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>>147520172
>Arguing
Look lad, the only people who not only believe in "hpmidf" but basically react to any post by shouting "hpmidf" when someone doesn't agree with them or ask them to explain themselves is the ritalin group
They also believe in a leftsist and reddit conspiracy is trying to take over /gsg/
You are wasting your time, he doesn't want to explain himself. Even if he did reply, it would be simply a list of things he doesn't like instead of a critique HPM could actually use.
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>>147517945
>he can speak spanish
t. robinson juarez
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>>147520920
>So a mod has gone to shit because you don't like the people who like the mod for some reason?
The thread has gone to shit because his shills can't accept any criticism of his mod and have to make everything drawn out.

>Shit, can you point me out there? Where's this alleged fan club?
>>147520912
>>147521021
>>147521027
>>147521039
>>147521079
>>147520172
>>147519951
>>147519821

>NICE STRAWMAN
It is not, not everyone has the time and energy to spend 7 hours arguing with the HPMIDF to get even the smallest thing added to the mod.
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Ming westernised. Might they be able to push back the Persians?
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>>147521209
How. Lets forget about the 150k rebels they have to put down, three different times, how on that date.
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>>147521208
>criticism
Look lad, criticism involves critique. You know, putting some effort into it.
>Evaluate (a theory or practice) in a detailed and analytical way:
Saying
>I don't like thing
Isn't criticism, it's an opinion.
When someone asks why you have that opinion and you just start stramamming and shouting "HPMIDF" it's pretty clear you don't want to discuss anything, just to shitpost.
The thread went to shit because someone posted their opinion and when asked about it, he sperged.
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I don't want to nuke them but I don't know how else I gonna advance.
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>>147521448
>"PUT THE GUN DOWN OR ILL SHOOT"
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>>147521435
Show whole theatre
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>>147521396
>the guy literally said he doesn't want to get in an argument
>LELELE HE SPERGED MOM HE SPERGED YOU'RE SHITPOSTING YOU'RE SHITPOSTING WHY DON'T YOU LIKE HPM WHY


jesus...
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>>147521303
Conversion from CKII. Western Europe is a mess. Exploration of the Atlantic doesn't seem to be happening.
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>>147521547
>I DON'T WANT TO GET IN AN ARGUMENT FUCKING HPMIDF I WONT BE BAITED
>No I'm not sperging

If you simply expressed your opinion without looking like you forgot your ritalin, then maybe that would be believable.
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>>147521396
>Implying the shills in this thread don't act like HPM's word is final about everything.
>Implying arguing about stupid details with shills for 10 hrs doesn't discourage contribution to the mod
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>>147521713
>muh big conspirancy
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>>147521659
>you

I'm not him you fuckface, I'm just flabbergasted at how fucking autistic you people get when someone dislikes HPM.

And for the record, I actually play the fucking mod.
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>>147521713
Yeah, great contributions like pops eating steel.
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>>147521659
>You MUST like HPM or you're baiting
>If you DISLIKE HPM, you must explain why, and show your sources

autism
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>>147521835
I don't care he doesn't like HPM, I care he can't reply without spouting conspiracy shit
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>>147521954
>being so fucking triggered by a four letter acronym

Lad, I think you have issues...
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>>147521951
>You MUST like HPM or you're baiting
>If you DISLIKE HPM, you must explain why, and show your sources
Nice strawman

Or you could say "No I don't want to explain my opinion" without spewing conspiracy shit
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>>147521954
Saying that idiots like you would try to start a shitposting war is conspiracy shit, when it's literally what you are doing right now?
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>>147522045
>I can't show dislike to the adoration HPM receives here
>I can't argue that eating steel and cement is unhealthy.
Ok.
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>>147522045
Wew, he said "I don't want to explain my opinion because you would then try to bait me into shitposting when I'd rather play Victoria 2".

But I guess that flew over your head in your red haze there.
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>>147522161
literally "stop liking what I don't like" the post
>>
>HPMIDF is literally a trigger word for some people

You just can't make this shit up.
>>
Lads have we ever considered that the pops aren't eating the cement and steel, but consuming them through home improvements? We are all consumers. That doesn't mean we ate that copy of HoI4 we all paid full price for. I only ate mine in protest.
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>>147522032
Not as triggered as someone who can't hear a "why" without going full strawman-addled ritalin rage

>much fan club
>why people like HPM
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>>147521535
here everything I conquered so far.
I want to finish this very quick by just DOOMstack-blitzkriegging there capital but I think this isn't going to happen. They just have too many stacks but they are all just infantry.
I thought japan would be done in australia in the time I invaded but they are stuck and I have to fight alone.
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>>147520679
>For starters this. TL,DR: It was plausible, but the idea didn't spread far enough for people to ponder on it.
>mas bien en una acentuacion del nacionalismo y afirmacion de fronteras
>por otra parte los nacionalismos que en el ultimo cuarto de siglo empezaron a precoupar espana fueron de caracter disgregador
It literally doesn't say that, it says that nationalism was the biggest shit in the middle of it and even worse, nationalism in spain was usually the one that threathens to rip your country apart

>nationalism literally threathens the unity of spain
>i know, let's add more foreigners that don't want to be in
If nationalism in Spain and Portugal were of the same kind that happened in Germany, maybe that would be plausible


>Unamuno
>Basque anarchist and lusophile
Wow

>Mendizábal
>General Prim
I'm pretty sure both wanted Spain to conquer Portugal, they weren't interested in having the portuguese happy about it

>second president of the republic
Pretty sure that was a butthurt catalan too

None of these intellectuals actually mean the portuguese would agree or that the spanish would submit themselves to the portuguese in the case the portuguese formed it

>And the landed nobility and the rich and basically everyone
Pic related

>Yes, I also wonder why the uncivilized pops and nomads get to unite in the Historical Project Mod.
Because they did. See Arabia

>What? When did I imply this?
Everything you are saying implies this

>that the union could only have happened anyway with an extraordinary circumstance, like winning a war against the most powerful country in the world
Lad winning a war doesn't make other people forget their own country or nationalism
There's not even a guarantee if you win a war against the UK they will eb the most powerful country when youd o so
No getting a few more colonies in africa doesn't make people forget all the shit I mentioned.

> The ultimatum was undeniably the height of portuguese iberism,
source
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>>147522304
>B-but I need you to give me good reasons to dislike HPM
>But according my logic, there are no reasons to dislike HPM
>Therefore you're a ritalin-induced shitposter
epic
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>>147522403
Nice

Strawman
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>>147522304
Again, that wasn't him, that was me. He actually stopped responding a long time ago becasue he knew you'd explode in an autistic rage and shit up the entire thread like this. You aren't arguing with a single person.

Also, could you stop projecting, please? Not everyone is an americuck with a crippling prescription drug addiction.
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>>147522512
>he would explore in an autistic rage
wew, the only one who exploded in autistic rage are the ones who spout "hpmidf" for anyone whod doesn't agree with them or even better, just ask 'why'
>>
Daily reminder that the HPM defense force committee has investigated HPM and determined that there is no reason to dislike it.

Anyone disliking HPM who is unable to provide definitive proof to the HPM defense force committee that is unanimously agreed to as being "a bad change" is guilty of heresy and shitposting.

Thank you all for remaining fun and enjoyable /gsg/ posters who have the freedom to play any mod you like.
>>
>literally one guy asks why someone doesn't like HPM
>the steamgroup starts sperging out about hpmidf
Can't make this shit up.
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>>147522602

I just went back to the reply chain and I assume this was the guys last post, because you were mainly responding to me after that.

>>147519887

That was almost an hour ago. Meanwhile, you're still sperging out and shitting up the thread with offtopic bullshit with me.

It's pretty clear who exploded into an autistic rage here, m8.
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>>147519887
Pls share mod for us pedophiles
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>>147519952

They just had a Steam sale. If you paid anything more than $8 in current year you got ripped off or you're too eager to give Johan shekels goy.
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>>147523098
>giving any money to johan to begin wtih
>ever

The only legally owned paradox game I have is victoria 2, because it came with some humble bundle for like 50 cents.
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>>147520591
>>>147518313
>>anarchists
>>want a big unified state
>Man wtf even is anarchism

Black block. Pop requirements are .gov welfare and Soros shekels to spread.
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>>147519887
Westernized.

Wasn't sure whether I wanted to westernize early or blob more (uncivs get infamy reduction). But I couldn't ally with civilized countries and the Ottomans allied the Commonwealth which really scared me. Aside from that the East is all my cultural union anyway and the only other avenues are Muscovy (too big) or the Safavids (not really worth waiting for). So I westernized. Allied Bohemia immediately.

>>147523030
Another anon posted links
>>147498138
>>147517996
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How the fuck do I use pirated HoI 4 dlc with Steam version?
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>>147516008
>Wallonia-France
What is this meme, Wallonia is France anyway :^)
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>>147523360
>>147498138
>>147517996
Ty bb
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>Norse-Catholic-Zoroastrian Holy War
Will this make Europe look better or worse?
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>>147523429
You buy them all
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>>147523429
fixed it ))))
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>>147523698
>buy ru key for 10$
>pirate all the dlc
>spend hundreds of hours on the game
Gaming is a wonderful hobby.
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>>147522327
I fucking did it, I got thrugh the river.
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>>147522402
Not that guy, but if they even talked about it it seems like it was plausible to me. It doesn't have to be a 100% sure thing, just an option. It could even be difficult to do.

>Unamuno
I don't know where you're from, but in Latin America, at least in my country, he's pretty well known in the classroom. I imagine even more so in Spain.
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>>147523993
delet
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>>147523360
>crisis
>my ally bohemia backs moldavia against me
>commonwealth backs me
>GP in the middle of the crisis and Bohemia immediately gives in.

Average v2 crisis bullshit I suppose
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>>147523993
How do i get 10 dollars?
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Why the fuck can't I unify South/Latin America in HPM?
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>>147524351
Is Crimea fun? I remember playing as the Incas and it was one of the best vicky games I've had.
Also, is it compatible with the Wiz update already?
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>>147524361
suck d
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>>147524210
>but if they even talked about it it seems like it was plausible to me
People talked about any shit at all times. People talked about putting a monarchy in the US more seriously than they talked about an iberian nation and that shit was also impossible.
No really, people talked about the most retarded ideas throughout history, doesn't make any of them plausible.

Fact is, the Portuguese didn't want to be absorbed in Spain. They really didn't want that. The Spanish aren't known for sharing and respecting culture, they are known for the exact opposite of that.
This doesn't even mention the possibility of Portugal absorbing Spain, which is even more ludicrous.
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>>147524361
Ask your parents for an allowances since you are too young to work
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>>147524393
Because no fun allowed
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>>147522402

>It literally doesn't say that, it says that nationalism was the biggest shit in the middle of it and even worse, nationalism in spain was usually the one that threathens to rip your country apart
Iberism collapsed because the crowns were more interested in keeping the status quo and avoiding any revolutionary ideas from spreading.

>Unamuno
>Basque anarchist and lusophile
>Wow
How does that dismiss his opinion? He was influential actually.

>I'm pretty sure both wanted Spain to conquer Portugal, they weren't interested in having the portuguese happy about it
Proof?

>Pretty sure that was a butthurt catalan too
>None of these intellectuals actually mean the portuguese would agree or that the spanish would submit themselves to the portuguese in the case the portuguese formed it
We are talking about plausible things in an alternate world where the player can steer history to a more desirable outcome.

>Pic related
Seems more like perfidious albion wanting to avoid their ally from being gobbled up or Spain becoming too powerful.

>Because they did. See Arabia
But that didn't happen in Turkestan. Dutch/Boer South Africa Scandinavia, and the PLC also didn't happen. They are in the mod because the player can plausibly steer history there.

>Everything you are saying implies this
I didn't, you're implying that the current situation of separatism in Spain was as strong in the 19th century.

>Lad winning a war doesn't make other people forget their own country or nationalism
>There's not even a guarantee if you win a war against the UK they will eb the most powerful country when youd o so
>No getting a few more colonies in africa doesn't make people forget all the shit I mentioned.
>Implying that a great act of cooperation and friendship as big as actually defeating an agressive GP threatening you can't make people forget about old dynastic wars and petty feuds.
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>>147524716
my parents died in a cholera outbreak you insensitive prick
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>>147525025
God stroke them down because you are a failure for the human race
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Ok, so I haven't been here for a couple months /gsg/uys. What's this mod? >>147479193
Is it after the end mod? It looks different...
Has it been updated?

And I remember a guy making a Warcraft mod for CK2, how is he?
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>>147515335
The fact that your generals level faster when your casualties are through the roof is a fucking joke. MP balance ruins everything
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>>147524728
Iberism never took off. The Portuguese didn't want, I already demonstrated that to you. SOME spanish wanted to conquer Portugal, but they weren't interested in sharing power. SOME Catalans and the Basques wanted a federation aka a decentralized country where they got self rule. Most catalans and basques wanted out entirely.

>How does that dismiss his opinion?
Because it proves the point. Iberism was mainly an idea of anarchists who wanted some utopic federation.

>Proof?
Nigger you didn't even bring proof they were pro-iberia.

>Tras el fracaso de esta rebelión, Mendizábal se lanzó a una empresa política y financiera nueva: intervenir en la guerra civil portuguesa apoyando a los liberales portugueses exiliados que estaban liderados por don Pedro que había vuelto de Brasil para devolver la corona portuguesa a su hija María da Glória que la había perdido en favor del absolutista Miguel I de Portugal, el hermano de don Pedro, todo ello como preludio a la unión ibérica de los reinos de España y Portugal bajo una misma corona.

He wanted the crown of Portugal for the Spanish. He didn't want a new country, he didn't want to share the power. He wanted to puppet Portugal.

>Prim
>Los progresistas proponían la candidatura al trono de Fernando de Coburgo, padre del rey portugués Luis I, mientras los unionistas proponían al duque de Montpensier. La candidatura de Fernando fracasó por su matrimonio morganático con una cantante de ópera y la oposición del príncipe a que pudieran unirse las coronas de España y Portugal
That's the only shit I could find that's even related to Prim and Portugal, and it also pretty clearly says it failed thanks to them rejecting the idea of even a PU.

1/2
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>>147524650
This one was more plausible than others though. To my knowledge, the only time when an American monarchy wast taken seriously was when it was offered to Washington. 2 presidents of the first Spanish Republic talked about it, along with a long list of writers (some Portuguese included) and leftists and, of course, university students, as was the case with most unions like this. The prevailing idea was a federal Iberia.
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>>147525240
They weren't anarchists, they were mostly socialists.
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>We are talking about plausible things
And I'm saying it isn't plausible nigger, that in the era of nationalism, the Portuguese, who pretty much didn't want in, would happily join Spain.

>Seems more like perfidious albion
>Completely ignoring the part that clear says "PORTUGUESE FEARS OF BEING ABSORBED IN SPAIN"

>But that didn't happen in Turkestan.
Which doesn't make Iberism any more likely.
>oh look I disagree with this union and England and France were under a PU some long time ago why can't we make a new country it makes as much sense as arabia

> you're implying that the current situation of separatism in Spain was as strong in the 19th century.
It's called the era of NATIONALISM and the SPRING OF NATIONS for a reason.

>Implying that a great act of cooperation and friendship
>here, I defeated your ally for more than 500 years over a few colonies, now you suddenly don't oppose losing your independence
Spain was more threatening to Portugal than the UK ever was.

>>147525252
It isn't. It's pretty much spelled that even PU's failed because the Portuguese didn't want in.

>when it was offered to Washington
It was never offered to Washington, jesus christ.
At least I understand why you think this is plausible.

>>147525373
They were mostly anarchists.
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>>147525552
Meant for >>147524728
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>>147525135
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>>147525552
I'm not American. I've just heard it mentioned, I've read more about Latin American and Iberian history. I guess I'm wrong about the American monarchy thing.

It still seems to me that a Federal Iberia was more plausible than other unions that are in the mod.
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>>147524097
IT'S OGRE, THEY ARE BREAKING DOWN, now I have to take the whole rest of the country because of the bullshit victory points ratio the USA has
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>>147525552
So you're saying that it could only be in the mod if it actually happened and the Portuguese said yes?
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>>147525894
It isn't. The portuguese absolutely dreaded the idea, the Spanish weren't interested in sharing power, much less being submitted to a Portuguese created country, neither the UK or France would allow it to happen and in foreign relations, both countries had an historical rivalry and enmity, not to mention outstanding border issues.
The idea being plausible is a result of the times you live in. Both countries are now in good relations and the EU seems like countries joining together could become a reality. But back in the hardcore, nationalism-or-death era?

>>147526050
No. I'm saying that arguing that Turkestan is stupid doesn't make your idea any more plausible. If you think Turkestan is stupid, go ask him to remove it. It has shit all to do with Iberia.
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>>147525954
Proud of you anon
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>>147526280
But the Catalans hated union under Spain just as much.
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>>147526280
>No. I'm saying that arguing that Turkestan is stupid doesn't make your idea any more plausible. If you think Turkestan is stupid, go ask him to remove it. It has shit all to do with Iberia.
Historically, yes. But maybe what HPM is hinting with his Turkestan, Scandinavia, Arab Union, Danubian Federation, Maghreb, Dutch South Africa, Gran Colombia, United Provinces and PLC additions is that any plausible unions or countries are ok in his mod.

>The portuguese absolutely dreaded the idea, the Spanish weren't interested in sharing power.
That's where you, the player, come in to steer the course of the nation into a more desirable outcome, where you foster this idea in the population and give the middle finger to the other GPs. That's the whole point of playing Vicky, isn't it?
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>>147526280
I guess Gran Colombia, Turkestan, and a bunch of other unions should be removed then if we're talking about absolute historical accuracy, since there was basically no chance of any of those happening apart from conquest.
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>>147526642
And that's why they wanted to destroy Spain and create a loose federation. I mean the anarchists, because most Catalans just wanted out completely.

They also didn't have the choice to "join in". If you are arguing a new country could be born after 3 centuries of Portugal being conquered by Spain, sure, though I doubt the Spanish would change their name because of it.

>>147526781
>any plausible unions or countries are ok in his mod.
What he considers plausible or not is irrelevant for this discussion.

The country isn't plausible at all.

> come in to steer the course of the nation into a more desirable outcome,
This isn't HoI4 where you can get your country from nazis to communists in one year. You can't simply pretend none of this shit ever happened.
If you want to use the "I can suddenly make all the history of a country, the era of nationalism, the springtime of nations and basically any history disappear" then you could use it to justify any union you want.

>>147526793
Then go argue that, it doesn't make Iberia any more likely and it doesn't strengthen your point at all.
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>>147476936
Newfag to grand strategy here, is Hearts of Iron 3 and 4 any good?
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Will suck dick for Divergences for 3.04
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>>147527331
HoI3 is good, yet somewhat restrictive.

HoI4 desperately needs more content. I got bored of it already.
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>>147527147
>What he considers plausible or not is irrelevant for this discussion.
Of course it is, he only adds unions that he considers plausible. Don't play dumb.

>The country isn't plausible at all.
Didn't happen in history != Not plausible at all.

>If you want to use the "I can suddenly make all the history of a country, the era of nationalism, the springtime of nations and basically any history disappear" then you could use it to justify any union you want.
So now forming Iberia is as crazy as Germany going democratic in 1937, really epic.

>Then go argue that, it doesn't make Iberia any more likely and it doesn't strengthen your point at all.
We are not arguing that this wasn't a sort of fringe idea in real life, we argue that it was plausible enough to give players in an alt-his game the option to form it if they meet some requirements.

>And that's why they wanted to destroy Spain and create a loose federation. I mean the anarchists, because most Catalans just wanted out completely.
Woooooooooooot?
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>>147527147
It was also unlikely for Greece to become a great power in the time period of the mod, but it still happens. I just find it dumb to not include it in a game that has something like the PLC, which Prussia, Russia, and Austria would've never let exist.

>This isn't HoI4 where you can get your country from nazis to communists in one year. You can't simply pretend none of this shit ever happened If you want to use the "I can suddenly make all the history of a country, the era of nationalism, the springtime of nations and basically any history disappear" then you could use it to justify any union you want.

That's exactly what the mod does. Vicky 2 can turn just as implausible as HoI4 can in some games.
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Are you retards still arguing about Iberia

Make your own fucking mod if it bothers you so much literally who cares
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Tfw no Rule the Waves
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>>147527463
Are you a guy?
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>>147527626
>make your own mod so I can not put it in the OP and call you a shitposter for posting it.
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>>147526781
The last king of Portugal before the "union" was D. Sebastião, a very young and very bold king that was loved by the people and the nobility
During a war against Morocco he died, the Portuguese never recovered the body, and with the succession crisis coming right after that lead to the Spanish control of Portugal, despair fell on the country and the Portuguese started believing that he actually never died and that he would return and save the country from the Spanish and return Portugal to its golden age, this myth and the mentality that came with it was VERY strong in the 19-20 centuries, from the highest intellectuals to the poorest serf.
Do you really think that an Iberian union was plausible in this era, when the pro-autonomy, anti-Spanish mentality in Portugal was at its highest and when nationalism almost broke Spain apart?
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>>147527498
>Of course it is, he only adds unions that he considers plausible. Don't play dumb.
Then he doesn't consider it plausible.

>Didn't happen in history != Not plausible at all.
I know. I'm saying this country isn't plausible at all.

>So now forming Iberia is as crazy as Germany going democratic in 1937, really epic.
Not what I said.

>, we argue that it was plausible enough
And I'm arguing it was a fringe idea that wasn't plausible.

>Woooooooooooot?
You think the catalan anarchists wanted to strengthen the Spanish? Or a strong, unified country?

>>147527539
>but it still happens
This is a slippery slope. Exactly as >>147519034 described.

Just because you think a country becoming a GP isn't plausible doesn't make anything you want plausible.

The rules for GPs are very different than what we are discussing and have nothing to do with what we are discussing.
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>>147528014
fuck off back to your steamgroup
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>>147528014
Plenty of new mods added to the OP, just don't shitpost and cry when people don't sponsor your shitposting
Shit even the mod of the creator of the discord group came back :^)
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>>147528216
>Shit even the mod of the creator of the discord group came back :^)

No one yet has answered me how this came about. I mean, he created a shitposting group guize!?!?!
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>>147528089
>someone thought a latin and a world federation was plausible
wew, according to >>147524210
>f they even talked about it it seems like it was plausible to me
we should add a new tag for a world federation
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>>147527896
ye_
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>>147528089
If you won't consider that, consider the PLC or Turkmenistan or 99% of the other unions, which were even less plausible. Even then, how does the slippery slope apply here? The whole game is alt history. It can lead to a bunch of possibilities that are less plausible than Iberia.
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>>147528526
Then go argue for the removal of those unions, just because you think these unions aren't plausible doesn't make Iberia plausible.
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>>147528373
This just in:
1. Communists believed that after their victory in Russia. a world revolution would happen.
2. The world revolution did not happen.
Therefore, communists are implausible

Iberists BTFO
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>It's another Steamgroup/Discord raid episode

Cancer
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>>147528586
Ok. I guess steering history in a slightly plausible way in a game where you're supposed to steer history how you want it is out of the question. I'll ask him to remove all unions next time.
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>tfw dynasty spreads out
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>>147529014
I had a game where my dynasty was on the throne of nearly every christen ruler
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Alright goyim, I'm going to start a new game of Hearts of Iron 3 as Germany. I want you goys to lay out what my ideal goals should be.
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>>147529014
>tfw 10 different rulers all have claims to your title
>tfw 20+ vassals have title claimant modifier
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>>147493059
It makes it gud. Get the steam version if possible, I think the mediafire is outdated
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>be English emperor
>80% of my vassals are my dynasty.
>France is my dynasty
>spain is my dynasty
>lithuania is my dyansty and its big
Can i even lose at this point?
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>>147529307
Get on my fucking level, pleb.
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>>147528851
They happen like every other day it's sad
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I'm working on an alt history mod for HOI4 because im quickly getting bored of Vanilla.

What should the premise be? I want it to be eventually as fleshed out as Kaiserreich is.

Give me good historical "turning points" that could create an interesting scenario come 1939.

Poop mod extended to the 20th century?

CSA wins Civil war and remains independent?
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Why is a 25% Tariff in Vicky2 unhealthy?
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>Ai is set to not move until fully reinforced
>army will lose a good 5-6k by the time its back to 54k
The downside to doomstacks

Also, I held out for half a month while winning with a mere 10k against that thing. Morale is OP, and so is rolling 14s against -2s
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>>147529398
Franco Prussian war never happened and therefore no united germany.
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>>147529398
>What should the premise be?
That HOI4 is a good game.
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>>147529398
Poland agrees to gib Danzig to based Germany, so Germany has another year to prepare for war, until the ALLIES start the war in 1940.
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>>147529398
French empire wins franco-prussian war.
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>>147529381
Is the Discord doing this?
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>>147529571
I'll have an event chain where computers are invented 80 years early and a ground-breaking group of brilliant Icelandic and Danish scientists create historical simulators that are actually gud. The Danish will then use these to simulate war games with the Swedish, invade, and reform the kalmar Union
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>>147529398
The gommies started the revolution not in russia but in germany.
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>>147529398
October Revolution fails
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>>147529398
>eventually as fleshed out as Kaiserreich is.
So you want it to be a railroaded shitfest? Fuck off HPM.
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can you appoint female stewards in ck2 vanilla or is it just hip invention? it triggers me
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>>147529398
>What should the premise be?
The French actually fight the germans instead of being surrender monkeys.
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>>147528089
>Then he doesn't consider it plausible.
Yes, that's most likely the main reason why you consider it also implausible.

>I know. I'm saying this country isn't plausible at all.
In real life? No.
In Vicky 2: HPM? Possibly.

>Not what I said.
Exactly what you said and implied
>This isn't HoI4 where you can get your country from nazis to communists in one year. You can't simply pretend none of this shit ever happened.

>And I'm arguing it was a fringe idea that wasn't plausible.
Fringe idea? Yes
Plausible? Given the right conditions, which you, as the player, can nurture: Yes.

>You think the catalan anarchists wanted to strengthen the Spanish? Or a strong, unified country?
Not all iberists were catalan anarchists, stop with this meme.

>This is a slippery slope.
Fuck off with your slippery slope. I didn't see you throwing a fuss when HPM added other crazier unions in the mod. Because we all know that if HPM considers it plausible == Plausible in real life :^)
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What would you like to see in a hypothetical Victoria III? I'd like to see two things added: a better trade system and a better military system.

Trade:
>Streamlined without casualizing. The unoverseeable system we have now is replaced by a simple one of supply and demand: the more a certain good is in demand, the more consumers pay. The higher supply, the lower they pay.
>Capitalists figure out for which product global demand is highest and adapt to that
>Factories can be converted into factories that produce other goods, removing the whole "break down and build a new factory" bullshit
>However, capitalists will only independently convert their factories if their current one is running a negative profit. So even if for example in 1850 steamer factories earn you moer than clipper factories, they will not convert until the clipper factory runs a negative profit (which might never happen)

>Trade depends on being able to reach a country: owning ports means you can trade with everyone who also has ports, but for overland trade you need either a direct border with said nation or "passing through" rights with all countries in between
>War with a certain country may have severe consequences in trade. For example France going to war with Germany means overland trade with Germany but also Russia ends
>If Prussia then blockades France's ports, it also no longer recieves trade from Britain and America for example
>Italy might profit from this because they have a land border with France and France being isolated from other trade options means the French might buy more Italian goods
>The Italians might even give the Prussians financial support to keep blockading the Fernch

1/2
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Should I give it to them? I can't imagine they'll be able to hold onto it against either Mali or Persia. Do they get special troops or something?
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>>147530023
>global demand

Fuck off, this is much more complex than that and VicII casualised this way too much.
In the 19th century there was no "global demand".
Regional, maybe.
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>>147529398
>gutter crown
>Frederick III lives a bit longer
>one of the polish uprisings is successful
>Franz Joseph dies much sooner
>summer offensive is successful, but commie shit hits the fan far harder than irl
>austroslavistic effort during spring of nations was not in vain

pick or discard what you fancy
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>get sixty years on a single character in CK2
>game wont save
>can't advance another year

pretty epic stuff right here
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>>147530023
>Separate import and export tarrifs
>Putting both at 100% means nothing enters the country and nothing leaves it. This might be a smart move for fully self-sufficient countries that cannot compete with foreign produced goods (like early game Russia or unwesternized China)
>Western nations can fabricate a "trade conflict" casus belli (à la Opium Wars) against uncivs
>Winning a trade war earns you a single sub-province as a trade port as well as the "unfair treaty" modifier, which basically means that country's tarriffs no longer affect you (they export their raw resources to you sans tariffs and you can export your industrial goods to them sans tariffs)
>If the uncivs manages to reconquer that trade port or westernize, the "unfair treaty" modifier ends
>Trade ports can be very benificial to bypass blockades. For example if China's ports are all blockaded by Japan, British trade is unaffected because Hong Kong has a direct land connection to China and is itself not blockaded (unless Japan is also hostile to Britain)

Military
>The "military organization" techs no longer confer flat benefits, but instead make the military more complex with each stage, adding a new "level"
>At the start you only have armies and generals, but with each passing techs you can divide an army into groups, brigades, divisions etc.
>By the end of the game, you get a simplified version of HoI
>Each level gets their own leaders (from generals all the way down to chief brigadiers), meaning that at the lowest level soldiers get benefits from multiple military leaders
>It's also a way to put all your military leaders (of which you should have A LOT) to good use in the late game
>You can choose to micromanage your entire military, or just manage everything down to a certain level (for example from headquarters to army groups) and let the AI manage the willy-nilly of the rest
>You can also assign it so that conscripted troops automatically join certain armies or divisions

2/2
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>>147530098
What, you want to make the economy even more autistic than the economic system of Victoria II? The one literally ONE GUY understood?
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>>147530305
I studied Business and Econ, so yeah, I want something that doesn't kill me by being a simplistic meme.
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What triggers a heresy to replace the main religion in CK2?

Yazidi has a religious head and is at 71.3 MA with 63 provinces and is still a heresy, while Sunni has no religious head and is at 0 MA with 42 provinces.
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>>147530497
Never mind, not five minutes after posting this it happened.

It had been dominant for a few years though.
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>>147530497
Seems like it should have switched.
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>>147529912
>Yes, that's most likely the main reason why you consider it also implausible.
Sorry to break it to you, but I consider implausible because, unlike you who claim Mendizabal was an iberist, I actually understand shit about Iberian history. There's no HPM conspiracy out to get you just because people share an opinion with him.

>In real life? No.
Glad we agree it shouldn't be in the game then.

>Exactly what you said and implied
No, I specifically talked about nazi to communist, not democratic.

>Plausible? Given the right conditions, which you, as the player, can nurture: Yes.
The player can't erase history or nationalism. He can't nurture the right conditions.

>Not all iberists were catalan anarchists, stop with this meme.
No, a few portuguese and basque anarchists also agreed. Doesn't make it any more plausible.
They also believed in a world federation, better put that in according to the slippery slopes you love so much.

>Fuck off with your slippery slope.
No, you fuck off with your slipper slopes. I'm not the one doing it.


> Because we all know that if HPM considers it plausible == Plausible in real life :^)
You complained no one read your source that "proved" you were right. I read it, it doesn't prove you are right. To the contrary, it agrees with me that nationalism basically fucked up any chance it had of happening.

Even more, I brought you sources that showed you how the portuguese dreaded even a fucking PU, afraid of being absorbed. So don't try to backpedal in some conspiracy shit nutjob, actually bring arguments and sources instead of crying no one read your shit to then complain people don't agree with you because of HPM when you get BTFO'd.
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>>147530418
Not trying to offend, but are you literally autistic? You know that it's impossible to make a game without slightly dumbing it down, right? Especially something as all-encompassing as a century of politics, economy and the military. Making it 100% accurate (if that's even possible) would make it boring and tedious.

What alternative would you propose that's neither impossible to program nor something that would bore any non-economy autist to tears?
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>>147524351
>unite tartars decision is bugged to have you inherit all sphered countries

wew
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>>147530845
No, but you seem to have misunderstood my point.
I wasn't saying "Try to create a simulation", I was saying "Don't dumb it down to levels of stupidity".

Introducing regional markets would be easy, could be streamlined and would enhance the realism.
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Alright guys, my current goal is to reclaim all lands that Germany has claims on (this is the HPP mod, so pretty much all lands of the Willyreich). What should my goals be after that? Should I go for lebensraum?
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>>147509262
>nazist created borders

You fucking what
The north trannsylvania compromise had existed as an idea for a long fucking time.
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>>147530950
>What should my goals be after that?
Destroy Communism, but don't take lebensraum.
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>>147530418
Wew lad if any of the other paradox games had an economy and population system as simple as V2 they would be infinitely better
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>>147530950
>playing germablob
kill yourself is a good goal
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>>147529868
>le ebin surrender may may
>dude why didn't they visit more needless deaths and destruction upon their country like the germans and russians, why didn't they fight to the bitter end lmao

Not even french but fuck off already
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>>147531036
I'm thinking that my means of doing that will be annexing the Soviet Union, then establishing all of the current "ex-Soviet" nations as puppet states.
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>>147519114
Nice fucking useless shitpost.
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>>147531302
fuck off back to your steamgroup
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https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/crusader-kings-2-dd-13-pagans-advisors-and-warrior-women.955632/

W E W
E
W
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>>147531269
Balkanise it
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Is unHPM even a meme mod or simply allows ahistorical shit
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>>147531630
>teutonia
>slavia
It's a mememod
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>>147531630
t. unHPM
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>>147531630
It's a mod made by shitposters for shitposting and to attack HPM. Ignore it.
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>>147531498
The shit until the shieldmaidens was fine. But starting in

>Firstly, close relatives of a ruler with high stats may ask to be given a job. Secondly, a talented woman may show up in your court and offer her services to you.
This shit is getting a little obvious, isn't Paradox?
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>>147531630
It's a meme mod but I like it.


>>147531720
>implying if russia didn't go to town on A-H and gained control of all the slavic populations a unified slavic state would be something far fetched
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>>147530824
>Glad we agree it shouldn't be in the game then.
>It didn't happen in real life so it shouldn't be in the game
Glad to see your actual argument finally.

>No, I specifically talked about nazi to communist, not democratic.
So you made a big strawman anyway.

>The player can't erase history or nationalism. He can't nurture the right conditions.
The player can nurture the right conditions, the player can even go farther than the statesmen of the time. That's the whole point of the game, you dunce.

>No, a few portuguese and basque anarchists also agreed. Doesn't make it any more plausible.
>They also believed in a world federation, better put that in according to the slippery slopes you love so much.
Oh right! All iberists were minority anarchists that believed in a big iberian state while wanting to dismantle it at the same time. There were no important or renowed writers, statesmen or intellectuals at all :^)

You also took a world federation quote out of context because that suits the huge strawman you're trying to make, don't you?

>No, you fuck off with your slipper slopes. I'm not the one doing it.
Of course you're. Apparently adding Iberia will be the end of the H in HPM while several other unions can stay there without controversy.

>You complained no one read your source that "proved" you were right. I read it, it doesn't prove you are right. To the contrary, it agrees with me that nationalism basically fucked up any chance it had of happening.
That's what happened in real life. However you could just not go down that path while playing Spain and change the conditions. You're the player after all.

>Even more, I brought you sources that showed you how the portuguese dreaded even a fucking PU, afraid of being absorbed.
Yes, in the fucking 16th century, we're talking about the 19th. In the game you can start cooperating with the portuguese in 1836 and ease them to the idea. I never said that the requirements should be easy to achieve.
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>>147531498
>Warrior women
How do I know Paradox is Swedish?
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>>147530870
Finish what genghis started
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>>147531930
>>implying if russia didn't go to town on A-H and gained control of all the slavic populations a unified slavic state would be something far fetched
It's far fetched any you put it lad
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>>147530824
>BTFO'd
le internet argument pro xD
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>>147531903
>>147532059
GG pls go
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>>147531903
>>147532059
Literally t. reddit
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Is there a General Changes Mod for 1.1?
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>>147532145
How the fuck is it far fetched if that were the literal designs russians had in mind for all the slavic populations?
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In HOI 4, how the hell do I COMPLETELY defeat an enemy? I conquered all of Engand with paratroops, yet I get "Englad has Capitulated!" and the war doesn't end. How do I make them surrender completely? This is very annoying.
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AAR
Germany-Veteran-Historical AI
Axis Allies: Latvia, Lithuania
Goal: Early Poland and early Barbarossa without fighting Allies

Timeline:
Poland
Spring 36: Justify war against Poland for Danzig as soon as you have the political power.
>Only Justify for 1 province, it takes 250 days.

11 November, 36 - Declare War on Poland
>I had to be fast with everything I had, England did everything they could to bring Poland into the Allies
8 December, 36 - Treaty, Annex all Poland
>World Tension~33%

Preparation for Soviets early 1937
>Help Nationalist Spain win
>Anschluss
>Anti-Soviet Pact
>Only focus on Infantry with artillery at 20 combat width
>Perfectly time War with USSR to be done as soon as USSR finishes The Great Purge
>World Tension~45%

Barbarossa
14 July, 37 - Declare War on Soviet Union
>World Tension~60%
>Invade the day after The Great Purge
>Focus majority of units to push and take Moscow
>Moscow Falls early winter
>We wait out the rest of winter, prepare for Stalingrad and Leningrad in the spring
>Latvian and Lithuanian Legion, our only allies focus on pushing to Leningrad
>Best troops push for Stalingrad
>By winter 38, the advance comes to a halt, we have Leningrad, Stalingrad, and much more
>Spend Spring 39 cleaning up all the victory points in the west I can without pushing too deep
3 June, 1939 Peace Treaty, Annex entire USSR
>Pretty much GG at this point, World tension Fuck all, but still no war with Allies.

At this point you can either go straight to war with Allies, or you can stay in a cold war and build up your tech and industry with your vast living space. You can't start any more wars really without a guarantee, but you have everything you need besides rubber which can still be traded. I ended up inviting Italy, and they immediately started WW2 by invading Yugoslavia. Doesn't matter, game was too easy at this point.
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>>147531147
>not even french
Nice try Abdull
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>>147532043
>It didn't happen in real life so it shouldn't be in the game
>Glad to see your actual argument finally
Glad to see you are adding some variety instead of "slippery slope" all the time. A stawman once in a while will sure convince me.

>So you made a big strawman anyway.
No, I made a comparison. I said V2 isn't like HoI4 that you should be able to promote such profound changes in the history of your nation in a short time frame. If want an example of an strawman, just read a little above in your post.

>There were no important or renowed writers
>or intellectuals
Anarchists, the same shit. Just because your anarchist friends believed in a world federation doesn't make it true. And yes, anarchists are usually "writers" or "intellectuals", what a nice find you have there Einstein.

>statesmen
No, I already proved it to you, Prim and Mendizábal aren't iberists.

>You also took a world federation quote out of context
The context is there. It's a full phrase, from a full stop to another.

>Apparently adding Iberia will be the end of the H in HPM while several other unions can stay there without controversy.
Never said that, but nice strawman.

>That's what happened in real life.
>The source agrees with me
>No it doesn't
>abloobloobloo this is what happened in real life I should be able to do what I want
Again nigga, it happened in real life and it isn't plausible in game either. You can cry all you want, but your source doesn't prove shit.

>Yes, in the fucking 16th century, we're talking about the 19th.
Wew, you didn't even READ what I posted?
The source IS about the 19th century. Believe it or not, in the era of nationalism the portuguese didn't want to lose their nation.
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>>147533040
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>>147532043
bruh calm down
Spain is already a union of Iberian nations, why would it change its name if it added another one to it?
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>>147533130
He just want to blob without infamy
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>>147532410
proofs?
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>>147532916
Doesn't that source implicitly make it a possibility?

It says "due to the doubts and fears of the portuguese being absorbed by spain". That implies that it was a possibility. If no one in either portugal or spain wanted it, it wouldn't have been feared.

Furthermore it states that a big issue was the opposition of both France and Britain to the idea. This could potentially not be an issue in an alt-history where france and Britain are either not great powers or Iberia doesn't fear them.
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>>147532613

There's probably a lone Englishman drinking tea and enjoying tiffin with penguins somewhere who doesn't know the war is over. Watch out for a sneak attack by Motorized Penguin Divisions.
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>>147533216
This
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>>147531498
>more nordic pagan bullshit
>nordic pagans are barely in the game unless you pick one of the two meme starts
Thanks Johan
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>>147533216
I don't see any sign that he said the union should be infamy-free.
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>>147533232
Are you being ironic or do you not know who pushed the pan-slavism meme the hardest?
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>>147533234
>Doesn't that source implicitly make it a possibility?
No, where did you take that from?

>That implies that it was a possibility.
Oh, that. Yeah, the possibility would exist if portuguese nationalism wasn't a thing, if they didn't care about their nation or its independence.

> it wouldn't have been feared.
The portuguese feared it because they already tried to make Portugal a province of Spain.

>Furthermore it states that a big issue was the opposition of both France and Britain to the idea.
No, it says it was also a factor. It doesn't say it was a big one. The biggest factor that made it impossible was portuguese nationalism.
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>>147533498
Not him, but I thought the panslav meme only extended to Orthodox slavs.
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>>147533498
So where are the proofs?
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>>147533501
Would England prevent a marriage between the Queen and a Spanish king for fear of creating a union? No, because such a thing would be impossible.

If a ruling party feared something happening and took steps to stop it, it's impliticly possible and plausible that a ruling party with a different goal would have encouraged it and seen it happen.
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>>147533498
>>147532410
What's up with the whole "if someone thought it up it's totally plausible" retards today?
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>>147533776
No, the biggest factor here isn't the UK. It's the portuguese.
>If a ruling party feared something happening and took steps to stop it,
It's not talking about the ruling party, it's talking about the portuguese people. You know, the ones who absolutely didn't want this thing?
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>>147533258
Kek
But seriously, what can I do? I own the English isles and I own France. Do I have to take their colonies too? I am lost.
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>>147533569
>the first proponents were literally catholics

What even lead you to such conclusion? It was popular among czechs, croatians and slovaks as well.

>>147533746
Just google pan-slavism if you're such a retard.

>>147533865
The russians literally used it as an excuse to blob into the balkans, how is it fucking unplasuable to think that if they'd ever gained control of the area they'd mostly likely create a meme state to pacify their newly conquered subjects?
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>>147534069
>Just google pan-slavism if you're such a retard.
That isn't proofs
Bring proofs
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>its another one autist desperately trying to defend everything HPM does vs a steamgruppe memer episode
You are both cancer, please die
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>>147534069
>The russians literally used it as an excuse to blob into the balkans
The russians and every fucking nation used any fucking excuse to blob anywhere
They used the christians in the ME as an excuse to blob in turkey, so we should create an russian-middle eastern christians unions then? Russyria?

>how is it fucking unplasuable to think that if they'd ever gained control of the area they'd mostly likely create a meme state to pacify their newly conquered subjects?
Because they NEVER did that before? Why would they start NOW? Why would that even pacify then?
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>>147534104
>le ebin russian proofs meme

/int/ is literally r.eddit, fuck off with your unfunny bullshit
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>>147533991
open up the war and see who is a major leader in the war. make them capitulate and you win

it's probably the raj for some stupid reason
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>>147534201
>it's another anyone who doesn't agree with me is defending hpm episode
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why don't people here play games wtf
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>>147534201
>le superior apathetic fence sitter
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>>147534347
Oh shut up, its literally one fucking guy doing this all the time.
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In HoI3, can a corps HQ be airborne?
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>>147534201
>only one autist desperately trying to defend everything HPMeme does
>anyone who dislikes HPMeme is a steamgrouppe memer
talex
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>>147534589
t. rob
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>>147534589
HPM was only brought up by one side to try and attack the other when he lacked any fucking arguments

No, disagreeing with you doesn't mean you are defending HPM. Go take your ritalin
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>>147534226
>why would that even pacify them

Because if they went in and said didn't actually conquer them but """"liberated"""" them from their germanic oppressors and thrown in some token self-autonomy the people would be relatively content? Are seriously this retarded you can't comprehend this or are you just being argumentative for the sake of it?
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>>147534702
>ritalin poster is sperging out again

Didn't you shit up the thread enough already?
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>>147534829
>everyone who doesn't agree with me is the same person
>everyone who uses a word is the same person
You are a paranoid wreck aren't ya?
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>SJW vikings
When exactly did Paradox die?
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>>147534702
I hope you realize that you are causing more damage to this general than anyone else with your extreme autism.
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>>147534716
>thrown in some token self-autonomy the people would be relatively content?
No, why would they? Why would they even do that? They basically never did that

Shit nigga giving autonomy to someone doesn't stop them from wanting independence, it never pacified anyone
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Great game
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>>147534278
How do I check the major leader? It doesn't say.
t. newb
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>Be Germany
>Wage war on Britain
>Decide to take Plan Z and befriend Denmark and Norway because they're Nordic brothers
>Japan conquers China. World tension at 150%
>Next up is Befriend Sweden
>Sweden loses Neutrality Policy
>Sweden has joined the fucking Allies
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>>147534998
When they decided to add vikings in the first place
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>>147535138
mouse over one of the countries im pretty sure
it's probably the raj though, have fun in india
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>>147534716
>russia conquers a fuckton of land through their history
>never change their name
>blob in the balkans
>wew better make a new country
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>>147529398
>Byzantium never falls, instead with the help of an up and coming Orthodox Russia it enters a golden age during the 17th and 18th centuries. Byzantium expands and controls the Eastern Med as well as Southern Italy, Gibraltar and various islands. It holds Spain as a client state.
>Islam didn't spread nearly as much. It is contained to mainly the Arabian peninsula and East Africa
>Protestant Reformation happened in England in the 17th century. England and its puppet Ireland are largely isolationist and tend to avoid continental affairs, focusing on their holdings in South America
>Germany and France are the main powers in Western Europe, and are both democratic nations with Catholicism as the state religion, and while the role of religion in government has been in decline since the 19th century, it still plays a large role.
>Germany unified in 1848 in a democratic fashion with the support of the French people. Switzerland was divided between the two and each expanded by absorbing Northern Italian states in the 1860's.
>Netherlands, Scandinavia are Catholic nations yet tend to remain neutral in world affairs, focusing on their shrinking empires
>Portugal is neutral
>Modern USA was settled by the Dutch and saw a fair, however lesser amount of immigration compared to its real-world counterpart. It is somewhat of a crown colony of the Netherlands
>Canada is split between a Scandinavian client state and Russia, and is a point of contention.
>The Papal State controls Northern Italy and wishes to return Catholicism to Dalmatia and Southern Italy/Sicily. It is allied with France and Germany.
>The Magyar Union and Czechoslovakia are both German Catholic client states
>Poland and Lithuania exist as buffer states with no state sponsored religion
>Aragon is a French client state that wishes to see Iberia united
>China is a Confucian great power and a threat to Russia in the East
>Japan is split between China and Russia
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>>147535063
that argument works both ways you little shit
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>>147535236
Is it the percentage of war effort that each country contributes that determines the leader? Britain has the most and they're down for the count.
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>>147530142
>>Frederick III lives a bit longer
>Friedrich III lives until 1920, when he dies at age 89
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>>147535307
How the fuck does it works both ways? Russia doesn't give them any autonomy but still change their name?
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>>147535307
>>147534959
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>>147532916
>short time frame
We are talking about 100 years, hardly a short time frame.

>Anarchists, the same shit. Just because your anarchist friends believed in a world federation doesn't make it true. And yes, anarchists are usually "writers" or "intellectuals", what a nice find you have there Einstein.
>Estos ideales fueron promovidos principalmente por movimientos republicanos y socialistas de España y Portugal, desde el siglo XIX, cuando tuvieron mayor predicamento ideales nacionalistas de carácter integrador, como los movimientos equiparables del Risorgimento italiano o la Unificación alemana.

Actually it was supported by socialists and republicans and fiercely opposed by the crown and the absolutists, who saw it as a revolutionary idea.

https://web.archive.org/web/20141018135337/http://e-spacio.uned.es/fez/eserv.php?pid=bibliuned:ETFSerie5-741AEB48-8009-2CB9-7355-A47005713569&dsID=Documento.pdf

TL,DR: Idea peaked in the 1850s-60s, especially during the Spanish Republic. But didn't manage to gain a proper foothold because of the apathy of the general people and the crown.

The document says that the idea floated in the minds of many, which is more than enough to deem it plausible. Not without hard requirements though.
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>>147535298
It seems too stretched for a wwii era game.
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>>147535298
>>Japan is split between China and Russia
Gooks please leave this site immediately
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>>147530142
just keep britain out of the war and keep the empire tbvqh lad
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>>147535273
Yeah, it's really funny how muscovy never evolved into something else and retained it's name...
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>>147535478
>>147535478
That's just the background

The main areas of fighting would be between the Catholics and Orthodx in Iberia, Italy, the Balkans, and the Eastern front, and between the Orthodox and Confucians in the Far East between Russia and China
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>>147535563
It was not supposed to be one scenario, but rather a set of mutually unrelated ideas that could be combined.
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>>147535596
You mean when the Grand Duchy of MOSCOW actually had a lot of land he declared a TSARDOM instead of keeping a DUCHY OF MOSCOW ?
That's totally comparable
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The heathens in France must be saved!
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>>147535820
just keep britain out of the war
and keep the empire tbvqh lad
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>>147535063
That's completely wrong though. There was a reason why serbs were far more opposed to austrian rule than the slovenians and the croats. Stop talking out of your fucking ass for once.
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>>147536007
What that has to do with Russia suddenly changing its name because it gave more autonomy to someone, or why the fuck would they even do that?
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I won WW2 what now ?
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>>147535718
>That's just the background
That I understood, but I tried to point out that such early divergence would result in inability to use real historical figures and events, what would in turn cause void and effervescent world.

Unless the mod-anon possesses great writing talent.
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>>147535138
Two ways to access the war info
1. There should be a war icon on your top screen. Click on it.
2. Click on the World Tension globe in the top right, then look for "current wars"

You have to defeat the rest of the Allies. You will see an war percentage bar for each country on the allies list. France and Great Britain probably still have some fleets and infantry spread around and likely still have governments on some small island or Africa. Really you will likely just need to focus down Canada, Australia, South Africa, and British Raj (Although Raj being Britain's puppet state I'm not sure if they surrender with UK). Of course if the US joins, you will have to take them out as well.
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>>147536119
Because of the pan-slavic sentiment that was really popular among the slavic populations at that time?
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FOR FUCKS SAKE HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO CONVERT A PROVINCE'S CULTURE TO YOUR OWN? I'VE OWNED ENGLAND FOR 200 YEARS AND THEY STILL DON'T EMBRACE NORMAN AND I KEEP GETTING THE FORCE CONVERT TO ENGLISH EVENT
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>>147536329
Proofs?
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My poland blob has holes in it, feels bad man
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>>147536245
Oh I agree on that, I just came up with what I though would be an interesting alt-World War
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>>147536143
Post after WW2 screenshot.
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what division composition am i going for as finland and do iI try and conquer sweden and norway first before concentrating on defending against russia?
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>>147536373
Oh, you're just shitposting...
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>>147536329
so popular that austro-slavism came to existence
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What should my goals be? I don't really have anywhere to expand that has accepted POPs, so I'm not sure what to do.
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>>147536821
>le holy water walking with a rifle man
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FODD mod for Darkest hour wont start, anny solutions?
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>>147536639
>fringe splinter groups immediately invalidate the initial group
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>>147536980
Gobble Afghanistan, Kalat, and later on the Caucasus.
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>>147535476
>We are talking about 100 years, hardly a short time frame.
Too short to do what you are implying is possible.

>The document says that the idea floated in the minds of many
>Si las noticias de planes ibéricos en el exilio son abundantes, no sucede otro tanto en la Península. La instalación en España y Portugal
en 1820 de sendos gobiernos liberales no supuso ningún avance en sentido iberista

No, it says the idea was popular with the exiled liberals.

> Además, dentro de Portugal, los afectos a España eran un reducido grupo de liberales
And it goes on to say that the people in Portugal who actually wanted it were a very reduced group. Exactly what I said.

>Aunque el Gobierno español estaba dispuesto a realizar la unión ibérica, el portugués se mostró reacio hasta para formalizar una alianza,
Exactly what I said too. The Spanish did want to control Portugal, but they didn't want to share power and the Portuguese didn't want to lose their independence.

>El iberismo, en tanto, seguía estando presente en las conspiraciones liberales
>literally conspiracy shit
>Afirmados en el poder los liberales, el iberismo deja de ser para ellos
un asunto de importancia.
Even the few who spoused the idea abandoned it when they got in power

>En Portugal, en tanto, la presencia iberista era casi nula, aunque los liberales más radicales, como Manuel Passos o José Estéváo, eran partidarios de la unión ibérica, pero no en un futuro inmediato.
So no one in Portugal and even the ones that were didnt want it in any immediate future.

Anyway, the idea of "iberian union" discussed by the liberals, as your text makes very clear, is the idea of a PU.

>Hacia 1840, con ocasión de los proyectos de enlace de Isabel Espartero recibió escritos para casarla con un príncipe portugués para
realizar la unión ibérica
They are talking about a PU, not a new country. The ones who wanted a new country, a federation, were the radical liberals.
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>>147537215
>googled that phrase
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3249286/Holy-water-Congressman-steals-Pope-Francis-glass-White-House-address-sip-remaining-liquid-wife-saves-sprinkle-grandchildren.html
How peculiar
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>>147537323
first
>groups
second
>austroslavism
>splinter
panslavism was largely invalidated in non-russian eyes by russia's stance towards poles
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>>147536980
uninstall hpmeme, alex
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>>147537267
idk man maybe kill yourself you fucking fantasy meming fuck
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>>147537589
Wew lad
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>>147536364
That's what happens. Norman mixes with Anglo-Saxon to form English.

Conversion also depends on the county owner's stewardship level, gregariousness and either patient or diligent trait I think.
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>>147537589
>democrat
figures
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>>147538240
i thought the democrats were god hating atheists who wanted femisnism and african """"""religions"""""" to rovertake christianism in the us?
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>>147537548
>>147535476
>Desde luego, una baza a su favor era el iberismo. Si en Portugal, por estas fechas, declararse iberista llevaba a la marginación política, en España sucedía lo contrario, y los opositores a la candidatura fernandina procuraron dejar claros sus deseos de unión ibérica para no parecer menos patriotas.
This shit is exactly what I told you. The portuguese absolutely abhorred the idea. The spanish wanted to gobble up Portugal.

In the other hand, they expected the Portuguese to voluntarily apply to be part of Spain

> En general, criticaban a la monarquía de haber privado a los antiguos reinos medievales de sus libertades —contra lo que se sublevó Portugal—, y en consecuencia pensaban que
una vez restablecidas las antiguas libertades, Portugal se reintegraría voluntariamente.


But the movement in Portugal was a fringe one in Portugal, except in the places without nationalism

>En Portugal, el iberismo nunca había sido desalojado de las Universidades y focos intelectuales, en los que se respiraba un ambiente distinto al nacionalismo imperante en la vida política.

> La ruina completa sólo podría ser evitada por una revolución socialista e iberista.

>Con el tiempo Antero fue abadonando el republicanismo y el iberismo, y, cuando todo parecía empujarle al anarquismo pasó al socialismo.

The article also speaks mainly of the intellectuals, leftists or radical liberals. It barely speaks of the people and politicians, focusing on the irrelevant intellectuals

> En Portugal, fueron capaces de ir construyendo una alternativa a la monarquía, pero para ello tuvieron que renunciar paulatinamente a su iberismo, por ser un fenómeno impopular entre las masas.

When it does speak about the people, it just confirms what I told you. It was not popular with the people of Portugal and the reason it was not popular is nationalism

>Sus deseos de crear una república ibérica eran pura utopía, pero podían tener un efecto práctico
And here it is, Iberism was utopia
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http://www.strawpoll.me/10672686
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>>147538504
Well he did take Obamas glass too.
To sprinkle on his cucked children.
>>
How do you fix Hearts of Iron IV?

>Add province culture and ideology for better realism. (Ex. Danzig won't revolt from German occupation. Ukraine won't revolt when taken from the Soviet Union).
>Rebel armies from resistance. Resistance post-occupation (Replace their culture and ideology to remove effects).
>FIX THE FUCKING AI
>Ability to make puppet states from occupied territories even before peace treaties. Whether or not some provinces revolt depend on culture and ideology.
>Change the region-based air system to HoI III's air system.
>Bring back HQ units for more realistic logistics.
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Do you guys pay for the games or just pirate?
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>>147538695
Add transport ships back
Unique national focuses for everyone

Greater Austrian destiny decision
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>>147538807
>giving money to modern Paradox
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>>147538058
Is there any way I can convert all my provinces to Norman instead of English including console commands?
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>>147538695
1.Add pops and economy.

2.Bring back province battle results.

3.Fix the Al.

>Change the region-based air system to HoI III's air system.

Personally I like the new air system more since you don't need to assign planes for every single province.
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I'm willing to bet that you subhuman negroes don't even bother to give your regiments historical names.
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>>147538807
Hi, Podcat!

I'll never tell!
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hows my reich looking?
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>>147538807
Give me 10$ and I will answer you.
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>>147539210
>Still hasn't united Iberia
Try again.
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>>147538395
talex
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>>147538504
Dems v. Reps used to be more or less Catholics v. Protestants back in the day
I come from New England which was home to many Catholic democrats, like JFK
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>>147539210
>Reich
>Castile
You REALLY need to kill yourself.
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>>147539210
>using Galicia vassal to eat Portugal
Clever girl
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>>147539329
Galicias being annexed and Aragon will get annexed naturally, since at this point I can't integrate Muslims well I send them all to a southern vassal.
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>>147539050
I truly wish my autism went this far, I always stop just short
I do rename all my provinces based on my nation's culture in EU4 and CK2 though
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>>147539390

Not him but Reich means empire.
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>>147539210
>EU4
>Not 3
>Castile the babby nation
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>>147539686
>not playing eu2
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>>147539507
Yes. Reich means empire in GERMAN.
>>147539492
I really wish I could rename the provinces in HOI3. I REALLY want to be able to rename Jew York to Neu-Berlin after I nuke it and occupy it.
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>>147539507
>Reich means Empire
It just means realm, fools.
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>>147539734
>backing away from the issue by trying to meme to EU2
Babby pls. You dont even know how EU2 looks like.
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>>147539946
>implying im the same person
>implying ive never played eu2
>>
>tfw gs isn't fun to play anymore
>Vicky 2 every game is either "take poor, illiterate country and focus on boosting literacy" or "take literate country and take the good colonies"
>CK2 only has a couple of interesting regions that I've already played in
>EU and HoI are shit
Help lads
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>>147537649
who the fuck cares about the poles anyway
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>>147540095
>HOI is shit
Nah, just IV. HOI3 is my all time favorite game, familia.
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>>147540095
EU4/HoI4 are shit. Play EU3/FTG or DH/HoI3
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>>147477452
Svalbard.
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>>147540095
gsg are inherently horrible games anyway, play something else
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>>147540219
>EU3
Played way too much.
>DH
Ditto
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>>147540378
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>
I just got out of prison after 5 years today.

Should I try eu4 or just go back to playing 3 like before ?
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>>147540689
What did you do anon?
>>
>>147540689
Don't play EU4
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>>147540689
PLEASE BUY HOI4
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>>147539031
>including console commands
Definitely, probably something like change_culture
>>
>>147540689
>playing grand strategy video games the day you're released from prison
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>>147540689
eu4 is shit, same with everything else made after ck2. now explain yourself
>>
>>147540729
pirated eu3
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>>147540729
I tried to make 2012 actually be the year the world ends.
>>
>>147540689
If you play EU4 you'll wish you were back behind bars.
>>
>>147540928
>2012 + 5 = 2017
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>>147539031
Yeah.
There's an event that makes the province your character is in change to your culture. So take command of your retinues, then march around your land spamming that event. Just look up the event ID in the files
>>
>>147540378
>something else.

Like what?
>>
>tfw HOI4 is shit
>but so close to being not shit
mods when?
>>
>>147541060
H-games featuring monster rape.
>>
>>147540729
accidentally killed my gf

>>147540778
>>147540986
I see, thanks
>>
>>147541096
>so close to being not shit
that's some wishful thinking
>>
>>147541136
like what
>>
>Play Scandinavia in ck2
>Not even 50% of all people are blonde

>Play Ireland
>Not even 1% are redheads
>>
daily reminder that there's nothing wrong with railroading
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>>147541152
>accidentally killed my gf
How did you do that man
>>
>>147541224
your plebs are blonde/redheads ruled by black haired mustard raec
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>>147491881
Partisans are fun to toy with though.
>>
>>147541096
There's only so much modders can do anon. Hope Paradox fixes their shit up.
>>
>>147540689
>immediately knows that /gsg/ migrated to /vg/ despite not being here for five years

I know you were shitposting to begin with, but at least try to sound more genuine.
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>>147541397
>It's yet another episode of "some nerd on 4chan acts like he has any influence at all in the real world"
>>
>>147512175
You're stupid, just buy the DLC when they're out and the game will be good.
>>
>>147541234
talex
>>
>>147541587
tunhpm
>>
>>147541207
There are generals on /vg/ just for this kind of thing.
>>
>>147541690
talex
>>
Is it possible to save the Czechs as France instead of cucking out in Munich?
>>
>>147541136
like what?

>>147541715
you mean hentai shit? Nope.
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>>147541976
yes
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>>147542008
>nope

What the fuck do you mean, I'm just looking at one in the catalogue right fucking now.
>>
>>147534537
Please reply, can I carry HQs in planes?
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>>147541976
Why do you want to save the Cazechs? Just let Germany have them and then when you win against Germany later you can have czech lands too.
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>>147540689
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8A85cl5w3s

Is this you?
>>
>>147542396
the guy is in no way related with /v/ or 4chan, it's just some random bloke stop posting this shit
>>
>>147542218
I meant that I hate those games, you keep clicking like a retard for some shitty erotic art and dumb Japanese shit.

If I wanted to fap I'd watch porn or atleast play some Akabur game.
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>>147537480
This is how it looks so far. I've taken Kalat and Afghanistan, as well as that little one state nation. I even managed to get 3 colonial states during the scramble. I also took Ethiopia to make my African holdings look less bleak.

What now?
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>>147542692
>play some akabur game

But that's literally the epitome of useless grinding shit that stands in the way of you actually masturbating.
>>
>>147542705
>losing Tabriz to the Ottoshits

start again
>>
>>147542916
I can literally do nothing about it though. I'll take it back as soon as Russia feels like joining the war for it.
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>>147542865
But his games usually have a platonic story with them.
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>>147542394
Autism purposes.
>>
>New game comes out
>/gsg/ calls it shit
>Time passes
>Another new game comes out
>/gsg/ calls it shit
>Says previous games were better
>Cycle continues
>>
>>147543296
what cycle? everything post crusader kings ii is going to be shit unless paradox miraculously reverses course
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>>147543296
That's because all Paradox games are shit at release.

>>147543539
What's not shit about CK2?
>>
are there any good mods for HOI IV yet
>>
>>147544206
Music is great
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Doing a 1066 Iceland run, how do I stop the Norwegians from fucking my shit up?
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>>147544253
You could say that for most Paradox games since most of the music is made by the same Andreas guy.
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>>147544358
swear fealty to them
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>>147544568
Is there no other way? I have a personal vendetta against Norwegians, so I'd rather not.
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>>147544358
Restructure your entire government and hold all titles on island until you have max everything
Make a merchant republic vassal and keep them happy at all costs
Build every upgrade possible
Invite holy men to your court after going on a pilgrimage and steal lowborn women with fantastic stats
Eugenics your line

I did this, ended up making 15+ gold a month as JUST island
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>>147544761
Oh this is if you use the titular titles trick and get things like visby
Kingdom of iceland formed from iceland, visby, and a mercenary company using the claim trick on a single island in scotland

You also get a merc company after this too
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>>147544761
But to make a merchant republic vassal he needs to be a duke, which means I need to be a king How do I gain a kingdom?
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>>147545173
>>147545173
>>147545173
>>147545173
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>>147544659
i think two of de Normandie princesses are available in 1066 start
>>
How am i supposed to defeat Ming as Mandschu?

In earlier versions they often lost the mandate of heaven and broke into smaller kingdoms, but now they are always stable and expand to the west
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>>147544993
Pay the iron price
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>>147544993
See >>147544917
Visby
One isle in scotland
Merc company trick to vassalize then revoke
Island
Create new kingdom

Other alternative is save up for andelusia
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>>147544568
What if I swear fealty to the HRE?
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>>147545428
Or brittany since k_brittany needs only 2 duchies, just inherit it somehow
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>>147545279
>18 posts early
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>>147545749
then you're a filthy abuser
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>>147545749
Literally easymodo
Kys
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>>147545973
>>147545887
rude
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>>147489037
I recommend Tora! Tora! Tora!. The first half is the explanation of the political situation, the second half is mostly just action. The action scènes were so good that some of them where reused in the film Midway.
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>>147544253
>Music is great

Andreas' music has saved many Paradox's latest games from being irredeemable
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>>147520102
Probably because cannons are shit when they're first invented and the AI wanted units that were useful in battle as opposed to just for sieging and you're a moron for being a big cannon early adopter wewladdy-o
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>>147539884
This. Imperium or Kaiserreich means empire
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