Blade and Soul General /bnsg/

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First for smug hugs.

CRIMSON #1

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second for more husbandos

and bugs

>>147370119
Ded men posing

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xth for cozy moonlight

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Crimson #1.

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Blackram #1.

>faggot edition

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Bamboo #1 fuck Pirates

>>147370218
Azurling x Phouka hugs when?

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>>147335714

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Blackram #1

>>147368903
>>147369184
it seems if i have the "Apply to All" slider at the top at 5 my spell effects look great, if have it set to 1 my spell effects are shit, despite the little box being unchecked and the other other sliders being messed with

now thats strange

>>147370631
that is not Cecil tho

>Pay for powerleveling because fuck going through all fifty levels again
>It's a french guy
>Takes five days to get to level 15

jesus

>>147370810
could have paid me and i would have been at least 31 on the first day

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>>147370713
he said presets, thats cecil's original hair.

>>147370664
it's been like that for a long time now
it's pretty annoying

>>147370810
what the fuck

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Why does this have a tramp stamp?

>>147371073
>that arm

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>>147370565
Now
>>147370473
Remove

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>>147370385
xth for hard work.

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>>147370119
>Someone using my chars for the OP
Wew I'm flattered
>>147370319
But I still log on every day! ...the alts are a bit neglected though.

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Oh god i want to skip cutscene but i can't stop staring at his pelvic thrusting!

So I know people have asked who the best looking of each race is, but let's change it up.

Who are the best looking characters of each class?

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>>147371404
me tbqh

>>147371404
>Gon FM vs Yun FM vs Lyn FM
seems like a good comparison desu

>>147371404
I'm the best looking sf

>>147370810
what does him being french have to do with him being slow to lvl up

>>147371404
Obviously me for bd

>>147371404
I can tell you that I'm the only kind of Assassin that's a true loli. Sad that no one else tries that.

What the fuck FM skill allows you to resist shit while you're in the air? For some reason every time I've tried Leeching this one after a knockup my Leech fails every fucking single time

>>147371715
not everyone's a pedophile, anon.

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>>147371404
Of either sex?

>tfw have to compete with mGon Des

They're just so large, angry and unga bunga!

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>>147370473
>>147370647
Blackram #1!

>>147371832
Just compare dicks

>>147371832
dont worry even in same sex you would have lost anyway

>>147370119
>>147371246
(You)

>>147370980
it's pretty fucking dumb, but at least i get cool effects now

>>147371404
Best Blade Dancer? Tilu or Tails.

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>>147372354

>>147372354
hi netopi

>Soha in dat outfit without the stupid Southern accent

MY BODY WAS NOT READY

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>>147335714

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>>147371885
Blackram #1!

>>147372686
kys

>>147372686
i love you so much candi

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R8

>>147372724
>147372724
yay go blackram!

>>147372462
Hello, anon. That wasn't my post though I do agree with it.

>>147371684

I just don't like the french.

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>>147371810
That hurts. I only did it because it was more interesting than just make another titty monster like so many others.

>>147372724
welcome back!

>>147371404
best FM is me desu

t. park

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>>147335714

>>147373491
chives makes a cute girl

>>147373491
wtb femjin preset

>>147372891
I like you too

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anyone bored enough to run me through blackram narrows? i need my ring and earring drops

>>147374208
Make a lobby.

>>147373998
Will see what I can do
Need to upload it somewhere?

>>147374208
ring?

>>147374268
#1164264

any SINs here that could share their dark build? would be much appreciated

>>147374416
yea, i think so

>>147374581
Sure, what's your HM level?

>>147374581
>sin
>dark build
anon...

>>147374581
https://bnstree.com/AS?build=5010000000511203200341034210191100831111230055200754012311423200633016320182200931214440242201321

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>>147373998

Anyone here need a SIN for their static? Looking for a group to farm at least 6 hours a day. NA Mushin preferably, but willing to make a new character on a different server if the group is good enough.

>>147374879
HM Level 5

>>147374948
i'll peep this, thank you

>>147374935
fuck off laguna

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>>147335714

>>147375229
all ugly

>>147375075
https://bnstree.com/AS?build=50050000005212021003410342101911008311112300754199210123114232006330163300931214440241101321

You're a bit short on skill points for utility like additional cc but this should be decent enough to run dark build. I'm assuming you don't have HM Heart Stab yet but if you do then you can take out a point from Z and Spinal Tap to spec into RMB.

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Old SF Yeti/Lair/Necro 4 or 6 depending how many joins in the next 15 minutes.

NA 1165405

>>147372724
Welcome back!
please don't be a ghost

>>147375701
Oh I forgot that you needed 2 points in Q to get the range increase, gotta take off a point from another skill and use it there instead.

>>147374845
Sorry anon, don't have any alteration vouchers

>>147375701
sweet, this one looks like itll work with what i got, thanks man, much appreciated

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>>147375701
>>147374948
>still not working on firefox

fuck firefox i wsih all my favorite werent on that garbage

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>>147375852

5/6 get in here.

>>147335714

Couldn't find a close up of my old jin but whatever.

>>147374948
Why sidestep left and shunpo?

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>>147375852

Full

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>>147375880
Boo

why the fuck is the HM volume 1 book only available for braveries for premium players?

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>>147372686
I almost died.
Surprised she isn't a redhead

>>147376894
Are you really this stupid?

>>147376339

sidestep left: for the range, sometimes you're not exactly under the boss but you still need the iframe.
shunpo: for the extra iframe

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>>147372724
>>147371885
>>147370647
>>147370440

D I S G U S T I N G.
I wish I was on NA so I could kill you all.

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mushin is e m p t y

>>147377057
I mean, why not sidestep right?

I can understand let the free Heart Stab crit go for a little more range, but the E I don't get it

>>147376704
/shock

>>147377196
What about channel 1?

>>147377196

No one hangs out in Mushins tower anymore Zelotus. You need to hit up the no seku house.

>>147377208
shunpo doesn't require a target to use

>>147377208
Shunpo is faster to cast and you don't need a target for it. It's also a gap closer and lets you run faster like sanic.

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>>147377172
your fault not on na
i'd kick your butt

>>147377056
how am i stupid? are you gonna tell me the reason why they put it behind a premium wall?

if youre not premium you have to spend 30,000 more beans getting it through training certificates, OR buy it with 300 reclaimed techniques which takes months

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>mfw selling stingers despite knowing im going to need them later

When did you stop caring, /bnsg/? For me, its now.

>>147377410
>not buying all the stingers at 1.5 and holding them until they go back up to 2.5

youre like the opposite of a jew..

>>147377410
>selling them now when they will go back up in a couple weeks

you are no jew

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Anyone want to do some 3v3s? #436990

>>147377208
I guess I'm just used to the mobility of shunpo since it does not break stealth.

>>147377342
Ok I guess

Can't see where this could be useful, but ok

>>147374993
hi let's duo asura

>>147376908
I was referencing the magazine but maybe I should make it red

>>147377368
Its not behind a premium wall though.

Just like you said you can get 300 pages which you should already have or be autistic enough to grind beans in pvp

Like why wouldn't they make it cheaper for premium?

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>that feeling when your life is a mess

Just noticed it and now I feel bad dysa. Sorry.

>>147377851
because when imperial came back they said they would take steps to make it easier for players to get HM skills. one of those steps was putting it for almost half price under a premium-only paywall. that's fucking stupid

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>>147377859
A MESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Big sister I crashed I'm sorry!

where are my daily challenges lobby?

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>>147377358

You ded now kid. I logged onto NA Just to put you in your place. Put that pirate outfit on, go into the arena and whisper me so we can set this up.

>>147378206
im waiting for you to make one anon

>>147378208
you asked for it

>>147377992
>players
you mean pvpers

> putting it for almost half price under a premium-only paywall
I don't know why you're surprised

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I got to take a pic with my favorite actress! How rare is that?

xth for hoping donnie literally offed himself

>>147379164
Anri Okita is my favorite

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>>147377859

iktf. Some helpful anons let me come along on my first level 50 dungeons last night and now this is what I see when I open my inventory.

>>147379384
i dont like donnie either but thats fucked up

>>147379164
>two i
not the original one ive seen

>>147378208
Fight me.

>>147379164
I-I thought you were a real girl..

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why do people need to share thing like this in public chat?

>>147379623
Shut up before I fuck you in the ass

>>147379623
hi pokuri!

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Would anyone like to do 3 vs 3 for the daily challenge? NA only.

#4 3 8 4 8 6

>>147379623
they want to look cool on the internet, they want to prove that despite being a nerd that plays mmo's they're at least a "cool" nerd that gets madd fat puss

>>147379623
IT'S WHATEVER MATE

>>147379607
eyelashes is a burly man

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Another pirate down this time Pokuri got POKED to death!

>>147379623

Ggs for real. Just so people know it's all fun and games and this ain't any real beef. Just some light rp, you did well considering so keep working hard Pokuri and you'll even beat my ass some day.

>>147379587

Who are you?

>>147379623
>27-27

jesus christ m8 just get good

>>147379623
Are you Jelous?

>>147379907
bm is the hardest class to pvp as

>>147379607
eyelashes is a reel nigga

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NA Daily Challenges + JSY #1175624

>>147380052
no that's warlock

>>147380052
ahah...haha...


no

go fuck yourself

I'm an FM

>>147379907
i am trying my best
>>147380039
no
>>147379847
>>147379830
idk thats really gross
>>147379765
hi stranger
>>147379717
you need to learn manners
>>147379894
you too i had fun and it was good practice

>>147380169
give me a hm7 pvp build

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>>147379815
2/3

>>147380371
do you have hm impact?

>>147379894
>PVE searing palm on anything but a summoner
Uhhhhhhh....?????????????

>>147380443
i only have the inferno one ;_;

>>147380456

3rf at high ping is awful and far too slow.

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>>147379607
Just to be curious, what led you to think that? Is it the way I post? I don't think the persona I put on is overtly feminine...

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Well, that was fucking easy.

>>147380371
https://bnstree.com/FM?build=5007000255112564126532238222503238033106212513223533300213712112022266312412211042263212494123922237222432141012

i'm not that great at pvp, but this is a pretty standard build
switch to frost tornado for des, bd, elbow kfm
can use blazing beam vs fm, summoner, and warlocks

>>147380650
No one in clan chat thinks you're a girl, don't worry.

>>147380157
that filled up pretty fast

>>147380650
>I don't think the persona I put on is overtly feminine...

it is

>>147381028
thanks

lewds

who's the realest nigga: eyelashes or patrice?

>>147380650
You're joking, right?

Post sekuhara

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>>147381021
Grats!
Looks good on you.

post your waifu

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>>147380650
>>147379164
Bestest taste

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>>147380371
for hm7 I'd go with something like this
https://bnstree.com/FM?build=5007000255212564126532238322501138031106212512223533300213712112022266312412211033263312494123922237322432141012
against bm or kfm running regular counter take one point out of inferno and put it all the way down middle tree snowball and go far right side second wind instead

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THE
GREAT
PRINCE

>>147381442
i hope you mean 1 point out of short fuse and not inferno

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>>147381418
>all pictures of my waifu are me sitting in their laps while they are afk

>>147380650
Poh players are such cuties

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>>147381152
sorry anon

>>147381594
Yea I'm still a little dozey, I just woke up. Sorry!

>>147381631
eyelashes is the only poh qt tbqh

>>147381487
Camius, you're still around?

>>147381631
name another cute player from poh

protip: you can't

>>147381021
How many runs did it take you?

>>147381028
No build for FM in PVP is static. FM's change specs constantly in pvp depending on who they're versus.

EG versus summoner I go full burst with mobile divine veil, and straight overpower the summoner.

Versus KFM and BM, you spec into Daze dragonblaze, and frost tornado or S2 snowball along with knockback and dash ice/escapes.

There's more to it than that.
You can't just use the same build and get anywhere with FM.

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>>147381790
Nah. Just saw the thread and figure i'd post that. Bye.

I need help farming my Blight pizza pieces. Just missing 2 more slots. #1179397

>>147379164
were you the one asking for sauce on that webm the other day?

>>147377992
>premium only
>not using the free 7 days premium from newsletter when you have enough beans
>not getting the student pack for a few bucks for the 7 day premium to do those once in a lifetime purchase
>not getting a few nc coins to use mail

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>>147381793
My waifus tbqh familia

>>147381910
just get your weapon and be done with narrows

don't waste time farming a shitty soul shield

>>147381793
>>147381723
Dave's quite cute if you're into that.

Steel's one of the cutest lyns around.

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Barrtok slowly climbing! Keep it up man and you'll get your coat eventually.

>>147381598

Screw that anon take the initiative and do it while they're there! Have courage anon!

>>147381021

Ayy grats Eri.

>>147380650

GET TO THE BEACH BRUHHHHHHHHHHH

>>147382047
oh ok. what would be the better upgrade after jiangshi?
im new af

>>147381976
>>147375284

>>147382281
viridian soul shield from a guy near the noticeboard in jadestone village
you need 8 valor stones i believe

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>>147382176
You have fantastic taste! I take candid pics of Steele whenever she's afk.

>>147382281
get the lv 20 soulshield you exchange with viridian stones, the vendor's next to the pvp signpost at jadestone village

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>>147382253
My waifu doesn't even play on NA anymore, they switched to EU

>>147382381
>>147382489
thank you. this is good until what lvl?

>>147382598
36 i think is when you get cinderlands shield

>>147382176
>>147382482

she looks like an inferior version of zina lmao

nosek wins again

>>147382482
you could cut diamonds with that chin

>>147382482
>tfw ac's clan costume is better than no sek's current and future

why is no sek so bad at designing

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>>147382520

My condolences anon. I would say you could also roll on EU but if you was never close in the first place that might come across as a bit creepy. Nevermind! You'll meet more people!

>>147382598
You can replace it with the Golden Daeva (29-wheel) in the desert and then switch to the set from Tomb of the Exiles (36)

>>147382741
shut the fuck up bjarke

>>147382598
there's two cinderlands soulshields tradable for stones at yehara's, both are good.

one's at lv 28 and the other's at lv 36, you should have enough stones for both from daily quests and boxes.

>>147374993
where are you mysterious mushin sin?

>>147383094
Or this, the 28 SS from the cinderlands is better than Golden Daeva. >>147383157

>>147383094
golden deva's SS is really bad, its mostly def and the TotE ss can take too long to farm and is a waste of unsealing charms, you're better off using both cinderland valor stone sets since you're going to replace those quite fast.

>>147382924
the costume is the main reason i would join AC tbqh

>>147383094
gold deva is garbage. use the cinderlands one then go ToE.

DO I GO BALEFUL OR SERAPH LYNBLADE?

HELP

>>147383510
seraph

>>147383572
but why do most of the top bds on bnscoffee use baleful?

>>147383721
>why are people retarded most of the time?

thats human nature anon

>>147383721
>top bd
>bnscoffee

>>147383721
Seraph wont be obscenely better until 4-6. You could always buy a mirror and swap

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I regret doing a pug of nexus and paid the price for it and got a sore rump out of it from the Minotaur as a fresh 50.

>>147383792
please don't call werety retarded

>>147383969

Arisha is a slut.

>>147384147
>please dont call my retarded friend retarded

okay anon, he's special.

>>147384172
That's why shes's always raped by everything oversize, and always impaled on keaghans big sword.

>>147384172
not nearly as big of one as Lynn

>>147384418
>Our Lynns could never find a way to mod the shit out of themselves like people do in this game
Truly a tragedy

>>147384418

Fuck of lynn is pure. Only one that is comparable to arisha is vella

t. lynn player

>>147383969
there's a minotaur in nexus?

>>147384784
nice butt

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Post tunes you run during duel/3 man arenas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZEnQogAd8U

Hail the Might Frozen Fruit

>>147384741
Come here, bull!

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>>147384418
>>147384556
>>147384510
Yep she's pure not because she is but shes too young to truly know lewd things, yet. At least until Karok pays her a visit.

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>>147384925
Go away!

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DAILY CHALLENGE FUCK BEASTBOG EDITION
NA #1188208

>>147384556
so pure as she grinds on that pole

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NA 3v3 for the daily, any skill is welcome just don't afk please. #445460

>>147384907
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMQP7QPN0bk

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>>147384784

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>>147384907
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lglNih_C6Vw

>>147385149
I hope those matches don't go... badly.

>tfw you still feel full despite eating over 5 hours ago

is this the end for me?

>>147385297
why do you say that?

>>147385149
YOU AINT NEVER SEEN NOTHIN' CRAZY THAN THIS NIGGA OFF HIS LEXAPRO

>>147385149
>tried joining. Unable to

>>147385329
Heavy stuff like fried pork normally requires around 5-6hrs to digest.

>>147385475
Lobby is still here though? 2/3

>>147385124
3/6

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Daily matches anybody?

I hope we do well

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Is 1:11.00 a good ratio for buying gold with NCoin?

>>147385948
/smirk

>>147385124
4/6

>>147385948
>full in less than a minute

fucking static

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>>147384907
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8ifKgCaDTg

Good night /bnsg/
It was nice seeing a lot of old and new faces today!

>>147386065
ZELOTUS IS BACK?

>>147386065
please dont come back you two faced faggot

>>147385948
fuck wrong lobby number
Lobby #1189653

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>>147385189
>>147384891

>>147386065
welcome back

tel 447122

>>147386065
Fuck off
You're a bigger two-faced bitch than ufiaw

>>147385760
On NA you want closer to 1:9 if possible. Alternatively you can go to the grey market (playerauctions) and get closer to 1:4.

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>>147384907
Finally got Dark Wanderer

Praise NC Soft!

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>>147384907
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX6w9B9RAXc


Ooga Booga.

>>147384907
>>147386874
Forgot song oops

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MjcLdQJB_c

may as well post my namesake

>>147386704
>playerauctions
Neat

>LFG CS because AP too low to join lobby groups
>party literally wipes to the first robot
>revive them
>they wipe to it again

HOW
HOWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Is it possible to design a Yun whose arms don't look like awkward flailing noodles?

>>147387457
max build max arm thickness

Is there some kind of prompt to accept being revived? Sometimes my revive just adamantly refuses to work, even on confirmed 'dead' targets (as I know you can't revive someone meditating).

>>147386874
>Praise NC Soft
how about no
fuck
no

>>147387417

Anon. This may come to a surprise, but despite how shit bnsg can be with playing their classes, the vast majority of pubs are worse. I once had a KFM ask me how I was doing the canceling thing. I thought he was joking until I started to watch him play. He had a legendary. He had a fucking legendary, anon.

>>147385760
I fucking miss 67~69Ncoin per gold. I made so much hmcoin for outfits.

>>147387967
No prompt but if you've ressed them recently they will still have a debuff preventing your skill from working on them again.

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>>147384907

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00EgBc2M9GM

GUNDAM!

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>>147384907
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgMRNiEPPYg

>>147388098

I'm consistently getting aggro vs Legendary pugs as a 470 AP SF with stupid high ping. All I want to do is punch things in their back. I didn't ask for this.

I can't tell if I'm optimizing rotations like a god, or if pugs are just afk eating their tendies every single fight

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>>147388098
(Franbunny here)They're actually pretty nice people too, in game.

Even as nasty as some people are to others here, Anytime I've run dungeons with people they've been pretty nice, and understanding.

I'd rather run with people here than random pugs If I can.
Also if they fail hard they'd get their fuck ups post here too, so I bet that's motivation, too.

>>147388487

Pubs don't maximize and, more often than not, they don't have the dexterity to bring out their class' potential.

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>>147388530
>(Franbunny here)
What
Why even namedrop yourself
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNqCrr8bbVE

My theme song! I'll get gold once I memorize the lyrics!

>>147388778

Why even respond. You know he's shitposting.

>>147388530
why are you even still here dude

>>147384907
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnF4eLXsDT8

>>147388839
Oops. That was meant for this >>147384907 obviously.

>>147388778
Generally people are kinda shitty to me here in the thread, but not the people who I run dungeon lobbies with here.
Generally the people running dailies here tend to be pretty nice and play well in game.

Pugs tend to be less nice, and play worse.

damn this thread sucks

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>>147387417
>tfw used to run Yeti pug because of AP too low and no clan
>was the only one that died every time because I didn't understand the mechanics
>Confidence completely crushed forever
I have 580AP now and I haven't run Yeti ever since. I don't even run 6man because I'm afraid of fucking up and everybody calling my a noob. Why can't everybody just go back to E.fleet supply chain like the good old days?

>>147388863
Occasionally run dungeons with people here.
Because they tend to be nice in game.

So I come around here when I gotta get things done early, so I don't have to struggle with terrible pugs.

I love this thread.

>>147389115
Uninstall Ryzna

>>147389115
eu na?

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>>147389268

>>147389115

What class?

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>>147389268

>It's been three days now.
>Account is still level 15.
>Should be level 30.

i feel like I made a mistake by paying for powerleveling

>>147384907
I listen to lots of EMD, like psytrance, and house.

Stuff like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZfLJKuAB1Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnvuLC_SSlk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orLTcNPnmW0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO7kCUjUaUE

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>Run Brightstone 12 times to help someone get their weapon
>Your class' weapon drops 2 times off the boss alone before they get theirs
>Scrap everything except tears
>Realize afterwards you need the weapon for your own upgrade in the next two days
I don't want to back.

>>147388839
>>147388974
CUTE!

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I want to headpat a cute Lyn!

POST A COLLAGE OF THE CHARACTERS/ALTS/PRESETS THAT YOU MADE AND WE RATE YOUR SLIDERFU

>>147389692
I enjoy headpatting

>>147389820
not this shit again

>>147389820
Stop, we already had this last thread.

>>147389692
Can you even head pat a lyn?

>>147389924
>>147389913
not this shit again.

stop, we already have this shit every thread.

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I want to be forced to the ground by a cute lyn or gon or jin boy and let him have his way with me...

>>147389976
If you're a min size male Jin and have a max size fem Lyn you can pat them.

>>147388530
FUCKING LEAVE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>147389692
I want to headpat Rilo

>>147389692
pick me

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>>147390002
same desu

>>147389115
>Why can't everybody just go back to E.fleet supply chain like the good old days?

This was the most fun I had with BnS, too. Zaiwei ruins are great for a while, but now that it's died down, the lonely nature of dungeons just makes playing the game tedious.

>>147390002
>>147390439
Fuck off Netopi

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Look what I found!

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>>147390183
Am I stepping all over your perfect thread? Oh poor baby.

No.

Sidenote, debating about getting my GF into this game when build her PC.
Not sure if this is a good game to start out a new PC gamer on. But she loves my character, so maybe she'd like the game too.

>>147390626
Can you stop feeding it attention?

>>147390551
that is not who I am... sorry..

>>147390669
Why not? Blade and Soul is casual as fuck. Just get her to play an FM and she'll be fine.

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>>147390551
not even netopi

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I'm done. I'm fucking done. This is bullshit. This is fucking bullshit.

What is this? WHAT IS THIS?! What is my life?

I can't do it anon. I can't fucking do it anymore.

>>147390669

>Encouraging a woman to get into an MMO.
>Making the community worse by them being there.

Selfish desu.

>>147390969
whats wrong with being a girl? wtf

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new guild forming on Mushin (NA)

must donate 200g upon joining for our guild uniform

pm me ingame

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>beat bog bosses wont spawn

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>>147389820

>>147390951
w-what's bullshit anon?

>>147391107
He's a neckbeard elitist. What did you expect anon?

>>147391226
The memes.

>>147390951
I don't understand, anon.

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>>147391107

Everything.

>>147391217
You know what? You're a funny guy, autistic.

>>147391268
>>147391312
oh, that's not too bad.
aren't memes nice?

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>>147389820
Too lazy to log on, have this screenshot i took before creating.

>>147390951
are you perhaps new to MMOs in general?

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>>147391135
I need this clan uniform, everything about it is perfect.

>>147391508
Gonna be Lyn Beido?

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Goodnight, senpais. Hope you have pleasant waifu and husbando dreams.

>>147391650
Night. Hope you dream of me.

>Doing a quest the day before and turning it the next day still counts towards Daily Challenge of the current day
Heh easy...

Is there a roleplaying scene/server in this game?

>>147391773
No.

>>147391773

Are you blind?

>>147391846
Am I?

>>147391601
I don't get what you mean

>>147390669
>tfw tranbunny can get a gf, and I can't
Why even live?

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does anyone know what happened with him?