/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

leaked dlc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vs6B_scH3I

Xth for sirris and the goblin girl

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If you're considering buying a PS4 for Bloodborne alone, clap your hands!

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xth for getting one shotted through walls

quelana of izalith is the best girl in the wholes series

followed by imposter iosefka

How much are DLC's going to be individually?

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Reminder that BB has the best magic system in series.

Pyro with 40/40 Fth/Int and minimum stats for AGS with Chaos or Dark infusion. y/n?

>>147366091
moneybags required

>>147366138
>doesn't even try to dodge
what a cool webm
truly.. the best magic...

>>147366138
it's pretty fun, but I wish it was easier to access

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>>147366148

burn it all

>>147366148
No. Get Witch's Locks

>>147366138
>all those bits that fly straight into the ground
for why purpose

>>147366148
AGS needs END which you won't have on pyro without raping your stealth. Just use something lighter.

>>147366138
The magic looks pretty good in BB, but I could never play the game longer than a few hours because the choppy framerate and jaggy visuals were too annoying.

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>>147366138
tfw no parry spell

>>147366053
Should've done so when you could enjoy the online. Now you ought to wait until both of 3's DLCs are dead so it's cheaper.

>>147365534
I was hesitant to say if that ending was "good" or not. Yes, you turn into an Old One, but considering that they are beyond human understanding, can you even appreciate what you are now on a human level?

Seriously, look at Rom, you think she's glad that she's a rock-spider in the middle of Lake Nowhere? Maybe, it's not you can even comprehended what she's thinking now.

>>147366053
I'm waiting for PS4 neo to play it at 60 fps.

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>>147366317
that shit can hit everything around at multiple ranges, it's not safe to interrupt ever unless you want to get damaged

I just realized why DS2 and BB DLCs added so much to the games. You can access them early, so they don't lock out stuff till the end of the game, which is honestly one of DS3's flaws.

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Why didn't we just get teleported in front of a Lord of Cinder instead of randomly getting teleported to High Wall of Lothric just to be told that they're not even there anyway?

>>147366408
Rom is pretty specifically described as being retarded, though. I don't think that's the status quo for Great One extience

>>147366285
Nice CE, pham (spelled with a ph instead of an f)

>>147366531
because time is cumfluted

>>147366531
there's a dead bonfire basin on the high wall. there aren't near the LoC

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>>147366013

Funny and arousing.

>>147366579
why tho f᠎am a lama

>>147366553
Rom was "created" for an specific purpose, it doesn't need to think anymore. Every other Great One is capable of thought, from the malicious Amygdalas to the incorporeal Oedon.

>>147366553
Was that before or after she started to See? Because Willem is just kind of staring off into space. I always imagined that if you've reached that point, you're going to be catatonic because your human brain is just unable to properly process whatever it is you're seeing now.

>>147366292
>>147366320
thats.. sad. i want to slap things with a big flaming sword AND chuck fireballs, not whip them

lads I downloaded dsfix and put the files in the game data folder but nothing changes when I start

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>>147366717
>arousing

>>147366868
Just go sl 150 then

>>147366868
You can do that by gimping yourself, you can expect to have the character good at everything,

>>147366860
there's no mention of her mental state before ascendance, but I think it's a fair assumption that the process of transcending her existence accidentally (or maybe on purpose) nuked her mind

Consider also that Rom was ascended by Kos/the Orphan, and they had a bone to pick with Byrgenwerth and the Hunters. If Rom was a Byrgenwerth staff member, than I would guess that being made a vegetable was deliberate

With so many people clearly 135-142 playing against 120ers, why even have a meta?

>>147366921
READ
THE
READ
ME

>>147366703
But it's dead, so...?

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>It's a UGS rolling R1 episode

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>Steam still caps download speed at 2.6mb/s
>when most games are at least 20gb

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>>147367047
>pvp

>>147366053
Already did. Beat it and haven't touched it again.

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>Weapons you ashamedly hope they recycle in the DLCs

>>147366408
Rom was made different. Good Hunter literally consume high tier gods in their dimensions and his own "master' MP. And look at trophy
>Childhood's Beginning
It's reference to Childhood's End classic sci-fi book.

>>147366963
>>147366986
yeah thats always my problem in souls games. my first character is always messed up because i want to try everything..
anyways, thanks for the input. i'll see what the AGS behaves like and decide

>>147367108
why do you use claymore over hollowslayer spear

claymores 2hr1's can be strafe backstabbed

>>147367147
>steam caps DL speed to 3.0mb/s
>still dl a 12gb game in less than an hour

??????

>>147367073
1) Delete previous version of the mod if you have any
2) Place the contents of the .zip into the game's binary directory. (The place where DARKSOULS.exe is)
(this may be something like C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Dark Souls Prepare to Die Edition\DATA)
3) Adjust the settings in DSfix.ini as desired
4) Adjust the keybindings in DSfixKeys.ini as desired
IMPORTANT: turn OFF the in-game AA option, otherwise you *will* get graphical issues
See DSfixKeys.ini for a list of keybindable actions, including screenshots.


I did this tho

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>>147366531

Cut as fuck content.

>>147367282
Did you actually change something in the .ini?
Pretty sure its comes with just the unchanged settings in the .ini

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>>147366868
nothing is really stopping you

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>>147367223

>>147367246
I like the claymore better and I can use my ~blessed~ buff on it.

>>147367223
>>147367456

They both have the same markings.

>>147367456
Oh god let it have PUGS moveset with the same insane shockwave it had in DS1.

>>147367147
Change server. If you're in EU try UKR(!).

>>147367282
Are you sure it doesn't affect your resolution? Or are you just missing the "dsfix enabled" message? You need to allow texture override to have that in the start menu.

>>147367437
oh i forgot about lorians. 698 AR what the fuck. shame its only available at the end, guess i'll have to transfer it

>>147367428
dunno, maybe it's the language

>>147367579
nothing happens m8, still laggy as shit

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>>147367223
this

>>147367093
bonfires remain linked even after death. See: coiled sword fragment

>>147367223
Iron King Hammer
King's Ultra Greatsword / Crypt Blacksword
Red Iron Twinblade
Ivory Straight Sword + Ivory King Ultra Greatsword
Any of the Dragon weapons in DaS1 or 2, this game really lacks non-scaling weapons, raw is shit
Pursuer's Ultra Greatsword with the sword beam and maximum fuck you Curse orb spam as weapon arts, also with 75 curse buildup

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>>147367328
Godfuckingdammit i'm still so fucking mad over that gargantuan snake not being in the main game.

It was half the reason I pre-ordered this piece of shit

I WANT THE FUCKING SNAKE, FUCK!!!

Is LKGS the only decent dex UGS? I'm now completely reliant on being able to switch to an unparryable weapon to deal with parrykings.

>>147367328
calling it now

this is Londor. the most destroyed, hollowed out land of all.

Explain to me again why Slabs are limited per playthrough?

>>147367846
Use AGS

>>147367859
I see Londor as a ruined city in the dark, not a burning capital.

>>147367830
maybe I can give it to you ;)

>>147367859
no it's definitely the kiln prior to the downgrade, the worm you see in the background is the sandworm that they obviously couldn't get to work right as a boss so they just stuck it in so they just stuck it in the 'rushed content' area with everything else they spent too much time on to just remove.

>>147366531
Why couldn't we just climb our way back up from the Cemetary of Ash directly to see Oceiros?

Why couldn't the bridge have stayed intact so you didn't have to use bat demons to go to Undead Settlement or so you get the choice between taking the normal path or facing the Abyss Watchers early?

>>147367943
>highest AR with both weapons is refined
Of fucking course
Why would it be otherwise.

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>>147367830
you want the snake fuck?

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I'm stuck on Flamelurker with a melee only knight

How the fuck do I beat this guy?

>>147368020
the bridge from vordt physically cannot possibly connect to anything unless lothric as a whole was actually geographically lower and some force made it suddenly raise up thousands of feet.

>got red summon to a world where the host has infinite health
>he ignores me and just goes through the lvl
>BC
I don't get it. it's the 2nd time this happens

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>>147368141

>>147368141
you _____git gud

>>147368107
I was talking about the unparriable 2H rolling R1 anon

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>>147368118
Yes please

>>147368229
Yeah no thanks anyway.

>>147368220
thanks, pal

>>147367556
pugs had the shittiest ugs moveset in history

in the shittiest souls game in history

>>147368141
flame defense ring
purple flame shield
sticky white stuff

r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1 r1
backroll backroll grass any time you get hit

demon's souls is not in any way hard

>>147367918
To ruin your fun.

>>147368341
what is pugs again?

>>147368435
propane

>>147368435
Pursuer's

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>>147368435
>>147368452
Pursuers Ultra GS from DS2

I figured I'd jot down some notes on some of the better WAs in the game in no particular order.

>Stance (SS-version)
The R1 is among one of the fastest unparryable attacks in the game. If it's falseparried, it empties a 40END stamina bar entirely with either small shields or cestus, gauranteeing a 2-hit combo followup. Works as a rollcatch, as well

The R2 is a high damage HA thrust. Deals comparable damage to a charged R2 and has damage reduction during HA. Fast enough to trade on-reaction to curved GS and can effective approach 2H halberds. Consistently out-trades R1s from ultra weapons thanks to thrust counter bonus and damage reduction. Covers a lot of distance and tracks well, can rollcatch but is of limited use vs fast weapons. Can followup with a 1HR1 afterwards if it staggers.

>Spin slash
All versions are unparryable, and constitute the fastest unparryable attack in the game (some notable exceptions).
Scimitar version (jump spin followup) is shit due to poor tracking/range
Falchion version (twirl followup) is solid due to long reach and rollcatch potential
Tornado (StormCS) is a direct upgrade to the above. More damage, hard knockdown and can combo from a 2HR1 at close range.
Paired version (curved) is essentially the same as the falchion version, but with less reach. It's the only version that follows up the initial hit quickly enough to punish a falseparry. It can be comboed into from a standing attack (R1 or L1). Multihits are good for applying status effects, too.
Paired version (Gotthard's) does more damage than the above but the followup is parryable. It can't be comboed into reliably anymore, but still constitutes an extremely fast unparryable attack that leads into moderately high damage.
Curved GS (normal version) is a very high damage unparryable attack but cannot consistently connect its followups after a falseparry hit, and is much slower. Has a small hyperarmor window.
Curved GS (carthus) has the same issues as the scimitar's. It's bad.

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>>147367223
GIVE ME
JUST
GIVE ME THIS
PLEASE

Also where the fuck do I find non-ant pics of DS2 weapons?

>>147368341
>in the shittiest souls game in history
>not slashy souls

>>147368792
>Multihits are good for applying status effects, too.
Not anymore.

>>147368289
>Player character not looking retarded ugly
Old game covers never looked good like this

>>147368792
Stance R1 can be parried desu

>>147368964
>warden norangeblades can apply bleed in one R1L2R2
>twokat can apply bleed in one L1L2L1

how so

DS3's story is deviantart tier fanfic.

ffs are these nips unable to make new characters?

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>>147368289

>>147366579
damn son, with them detective skills why aren't you holmes yet?

>>147369247
l1l2l1 isn't a real combo.

>>147368260
>>147368118
lamias are way more sexual than any snek has any right to be

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>>147369406

Dark Souls 2 had one actually made in this old style.

>>147368220
>back when people made mspain guides on how to beat bosses
I remember having to use Sif's my first time
What a simpler time that was.

>>147369247
Paired spin slash deals half the buildup it used to in addition to ANOTHER damage nerf.

I got hit by a rouge warden spinblade combo and it didn't even max the bar.

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With the way the scabbard is visible, would the Executioner's Geatsword work with the Fallen Knight set and if so, what shield would fit?

>>147369779
u got a digital version ?

>>147370021
poopypants edglord armor

>>147368792
>Spin Sweep/Bash
Normal version is unparryable but not really notable for that since it's on weapons that already have access to faster unparryable attacks. 1st hit is a usable rollcatch and can be followed up with an R1 if it staggers. Most notable feature is that every weapon with this can combo R1->L1->R1 to tack on ~150-200 extra damage. Of limited use outside that combo gimmick, and can't complete the full WA unless it's not comboed into and your opponent is directly in front. Very small hyperarmor window
Drang Hammer version is probably the single highest damage attack in the game. Can be comboed into from an R1 or L1 and has a large HA window. Unparryable, but can't connect followup on a false parry. Considerable range and tracking, especially on the followup. So powerful and versatile that it makes the weapon usable. Ultra weapon fans should probably use these instead.

>Hold
Parry massively boosts ABS for the duration of its animation in addition to having full HA, imitating a falseparry but without the additional stamina loss. One of the safest parries to fish with, though the startup, active and recovery frames are unremarkable, and so just as vulnerable to a BS punish as any other.
The slash is parryable and slow enough to react to, but covers a lot of distance, has large range and is an excellent rollcatch. One of the most versatile rollcatches, it can catch a non-bloodroll when following up almost any hit. Effectiveness increases in low-latency and dramatically decreases in high latency.

>Flame of Lorian
While the followup is useless, the initial L2 is one of the most useful buffs in the game. 45 seconds of +80 fire damage on a weapon with already high base fire damage. The animation is extremely fast, takes very little stamina/FP to use, has very little recovery and has HA and damage reduction during the animation. It's comparable to a resin bundle on a Lothric GS except it last 45 seconds instead of 7.

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>>147370092

The one I have isn't very good quality.

>>147369862
I got hit by a L1L1 from wardens earlier today and it filled about 85% of my bleed bar.

>>147370173
That wasn't the spin slash
I'm saying the spin slash got nerfed

>>147370313
Even the R2 followup?

>>147370138
Tbh I wish weapon buff WAs didn't also have an attack component.

>>147370021
Nah, a complete Fallen Knight Set is
>Fallen Knight set
>Dark Sword, Irythill Straight Sword, or any sort of katana
>Shield of Want
>2 phantoms with the exact same setup
>fingers on the Alt+F4

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>>147370151
thats good enough thx senpai

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>if you kill someone with bleed through a riposte they slowly get up, stand up for a second then suddenly fall over dead
how ridiculous

>>147369032
It can't
The stance R2 (walking thrust) is parryable, but the stance R1 guardbreaking uppercut cannot be parried.

>>147370346
Mate, the R2 is part of the spin slash and the one that deals the actual damage. Yes. The L2 and the R2.

>>147370364
>not recording it

>>147370364
Reminds me of all those super laggy backstab victims who fly to the ground with 0 HP, get up and suddenly slam to the ground accompanied by the death snap and die.

>>147370364
That's the moment when you walk past them, turn your back and do legion etiquette as ther body hits the ground.

>>147370427
It can, I have parried it and I have been parried. I don't feel like opening the game to make a webm just to show you I'm not lying

>>147370450
Welp. Nice to know.

>>147370657
if it happens again i'll save the clip, on PS4

>invade
>dark spirit ___ has returned home
>'that's odd'
>host has infinite hp and stamina

black crystal no jutsu

>>147370798
>host has infinite HP and stamina
>use my hotkeys, teleport myself to spawn location, speedhack my way to the boss, change to host, oneshot the boss

gg ez

Does anyone still play DaS2 on the PS3?

>>147370898
I can't tell how much of this is a joke

>>147370798
>FROM bans modded saves left and right
>people are still free to use invulnerability as they see fit

Meanwhile I've been unbanned twice now even though I hacked myself some items.
>>147370898
Also this, fight hacks with hacks. If you can punish them cruel enough the better.

There should have been a boss between aldritch and yhorm, and there should've been an area between the twin princes and soul of cinder.

>>147371043
Pontiff and NK.

>>147371043
There is, Pontiff. It's just that the dungeon has no boss. I don't think there needs to be an area after princes.

>>147371016
none of it

thankfully I don't have to do it often

it's also a more humane way that doing anything worse as someone with infinite HP/stam obviously doesn't want to fight

Does anyone wanna be my ps4 sugar daddy and give me some ng+ rings?

>>147371020
Usually just pop the curse sword and go on if they're using InfHP

>>147371285
You can actually become the host in an invaded world?
While I don't question your motives, the fact you can do that is pretty fucked.

>>147370138
>Weeb jump
It's pretty fucking obvious how strong this shit is but here's some extra notes in case you have haven't abused it yet:
Jump has a contact-stagger that begins the moment you leave the ground and lasts throughout the air-time. This contact stagger can build bleed if a carthus rouge has been applied, and can also headshot to break hyperarmor. The actual hit can also headshot, which triggers a longer, comboable stagger, does extra damage and greatly increases the bleed buildup. If it doesn't headshot, for whatever reason, you can roll out immediately. The headshot stagger will ignore iframes on a false-hit, causing you to stagger out of your roll but take 0 damage from it.
The move itself has HA and is unparryable, but that HA will break to certain attacks, including the heavy attacks from some ultra weapons.
The 2kat version has a longer maximum jump distance and longer recovery. It can followup with only 1 L1 afterwards, though this combo will instantbleed if rouge is active
The claw version is faster, recovers faster and can connect two L1s afterwards, but covers less maximum distance.
Both will adjust their distance traveled based on the distance their target is at the start of the jump. If you're in point-blank range but roll the initial jump-up, they will land almost right where they jumped, and not chase your roll. Both are punishable if they whiff without forcing you to roll, but the window to punish the claw version is very small.

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>>147371403
it's cheat engine

you can do ANYTHING

So how do I go about making a build that can nearly one-shot other players with a bow? One-shotting would be great, but I know that's a bit much to ask for. I just wanna use the obscuring ring and fuck around with people.

>>147371013
It was the worst, so I doubt anyone here still plays it regularly. SM also makes it really hard to organize long term multiplayer.

>>147366053
It's worth it, but it would probably be cheaper to wait until after the Neo releases.

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>>147371634
ANYTHING

>can comfortably beat the game and all the optional bosses at level 20 w/ a +2 weapon when making twink chars
>still get fucked by the outrider knight in the grand archives if I need to go grab the armor

best boss desu

>>147370898
>>147371020
sometimes I feel like it, but I can't be bothered and I can take some sort of moral highground that doesn't mean anything

I've had a fellow red toggle his shit on and just shit on a cheating host while I just applauded though, not even mad

>>147371634
There has to be a limit tho
I've never bought the collector's edition, so I'm terribly ignorant. I only hear tales of instacurse and the like, nothing interesting.

Is pyromancy more fun than magic? I've been using magic but I think I wanna switch. I havent upgraded any shit for it though.

>>147371813

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrLchjBO3nM&feature=gp-n-y

>>147371796
Have you got the last guardian of asgard?

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>>147367223
But with lower requirements because low SLs

>>147371796
god damn it albino

>>147371890
Ah man now this tryhard fuckface is going to show up in my recommendations

>>147371043
I think at the very least there needed to be some kind of set up to Soul of Cinder.

In DS1 you're told to beat the Four Bosses and you can meet Gwyn. We've been told lots about Gwyn, and it's easily assumed he's the final boss.

In DS2, you're told to fight the Four Bosses and you can meet Vendrick, who we've been told is the king and even so he's still a ways off.

In DS3 you'e told to fight the Four Bosses, and then after the fact you're told you can fight the final boss.

I've noticed that this game doesn't have it's own Gwyn/Vendrick, this big important figure to the game's storyline, that you need to fight your way too because they're big and important. You don't hear about the Soul of Cinder until you actually fight it, and the Twin Princes don't seem much more important than the other three Four Bosses.

>>147371890
>FiGhTiNCoWBoY

triggered p hard rn

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DeS fluted armour in DaSIII when?

lore wise, which character in the series fucked up the hardest? who made the most mistakes?

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>>147367223

>>147371890
>character flips are in game files

>>147371978
>>147372048
Who's this faggot?

>>147371890
>Two and a half minutes of incredulity
I mean, he's not very bright is he? It was obvious from the start he was hacking but gotta milk that "lmao what the fugg i jsut can't stop laugh"

>>147371890

Is this the 387 guy?

>>147371742
https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/52014
you need hypermode

i think hypermode might be visible through obscuring ring though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG7qPd4OrEw

kek

how have i missed this

>>147371890
>flippy ring DLC confirmed

>>147367456
How is the damage output on this thing? I was thinking of going with this or the Dragon King Greataxe on my next run through. They always looked really cool.

what's the funniest Souls video on youtube?

>>147371043
And it should have also been a better game.

>>147371634
I think my favorite cheat invader was someone who managed to turn all the enemies around us into rats. Completely still rat models that slid across the ground, never even changing direction. The invader's name was Rat Jesus.

Fuck cheaters in general, but if you're going to cheat, at least be fun with it.

>>147372108
nameless knight. it includes a non retarded helmet

>>147372221
One of them, yes.

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So what's the best infusion for pic related?

>>147372496
Simple so you can use perseverance more.

>>147372381
>585 base damage
>50 STR requirement
>No scaling
>Heavy as fuck

It's shit. The only good dragon weapon is Obsidian

ask someone who hasnt played since may 20th anything
also should i start playing again, at least to host like i used to?

>>147372496

Isn't it uninfusable?

>>147372496
Brain Cell Infusion

>>147372496
Mundane

So what's a good high activity soul level? I fucked up and went to 120 and I feel lonesome progressing through NG+, I'm in Irithyll dungeon and I've literally only been invaded once and it was at high wall

I'm thinking of capping my next character at 80, or is it the weapon memory that's the problem?

>>147371890
>is this dude hacking when it's obvios from the get go
Willfully foolish

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>>147366053
*clap

>>147372586
Yeah, more hosts would be nice.

Unless you're on Xbone, then good luck finding players.

>>147371382
what sword has curse buildup on it?

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>>147372586
fucking forgot pic

>>147372653
>went to 120 and I feel lonesome progressing through NG+
activate dried finger and say you feel lonesome nigger

>>147372586
why do you want to come back before the DLC?

all we've gotten are trickles of """""balance"""""" since that have actually made things worse, what with everyone and their grandmother flinging nigh instant forbidden suns, card captor sakura never getting nerfed, dark sword getting "nerfed" for 9 AR, twin weapons getting shit on every patch

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>>147372496
dude..

>>147372768
The one you get from collector's edition.

>>147371890

The PC community everyone.

>>147372814
because im bored and want to see how much has changed over 2 months

I am going to be starting up on the original Dark Souls again because its been a while. I have no idea on what build I should do. So, /dsg/ I need a weapon to structure my build around.

>>147371470
>Impact
Hits almost right away in point-blank range, which can beat out many other attacks up-close
The first hit in the multihit string has a longer max range than the 3rd hit, which will cause it to sometimes fail to chain into the final, big damage hit at certain ranges.
Can't be parried (obviously), huge maximum range on the final hit and force two rolls in order to avoid entirely at close range, or one delayed roll at long range
Normal version does only slight damage (~200) and triggers a negligible penalty to stamina regeneration for a few seconds. It chips through shields with the final hit but doesn't deal significant damage through them, though the debuff is still applied. The first 3 hits of the string also build less status effect than a normal hit, meaning that it's not very effective at triggering poison or bleed despite being 4-hits.
Witch's Locks version does considerably higher damage but doesn't apply the debuff and doesn't have any special shield penetration properties beyond simply dealing physical/fire split.

In both cases this is pretty much the primary attack of the whip as its faster, longer range and higher damage than the rest of its moveset. Tracking is excellent at a distance bit if the first 3 hits are avoided at close range, the 4th hit will not turn sharply to follow.

Stance (GS version)
R1 is basically a slower version of the SS one. It's unparryable (the only such attack in the moveset) and has better HA than the 2HR1s but is slow. If someone is dumb enough to guard this it does huge stamina damage to even a greatshield and guardbreaks anything smaller.

R2 is actually as fast as the SS version and though it covers less ground, the tracking is still excellent and the reach is good. Just like the SS, it's a high-damage thrust with full HA and damage reduction. Out-trades virtually anything thanks to thrust counterdamage and damage reduction, and can be used on reaction to slower weapon attacks.

>>147368141
Use the Winged Spear + the Purple Flame Shield + a Weapon buff. It just tears him apart. There is no reason not to be using buffs in DeS unless you are rocking a NR vit build.

>>147372496
fire for pyromancer builds, buffed with flame weapon

>>147372653
Do you not use dried fingers or what?

>>147372287
Thanks, I'll look into it.

I hope it doesn't override obscuring ring.

>>147372954
Obsidian greatsword.

>using untrue dark ring changes buffs that normally turn your into glow toys just only shows the particles
neat

>>147372954
Great club
I had fun with it for my barbarian/havel set NG
I love the moveset

For the hornet ring's critical attack boost, does that apply to headshots with a bow as well?

>>147372287
dex gives more than str, better go 20/40

>>147372954
Great lord greatsword because it looks cool even if it's shit.

>>147372954
>>147373120
this
http://mmdks.com/89ml

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I want to do a Reinhardt Schneider playthrough but then i remember that I'm literally the only person in the world who loves Castlevania 64 so no one would understand the reference

Is there any way to get more darkmoon blade summons on ps4? Been hanging out in ithryll for a good 3 hours and have yet to get summoned once. Really don't want to farm the knights for the ring

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>SL70 on my hollow dickass thief
>don't know what to level besides vig since luck already hits 60 with the weapon boosts and my weapons have shit natural scaling
what do?

>>147366053
Don't do it.

>>147373650
What level do you intend to stop at?

>>147373719
ideally 120

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Anybody interested in a ps4 fightclub?
I'll host at pontiff arena, pass is dsg

>>147373540
People don't recognise half of them non-From cosplays, do it.

What spells should I use for pyromancy?

>>147373764
>dickass thief for dueling
I mean post your current build but why not stay low for invasions?

>>147372973
>Perseverance.
Generally undervalued just because it's normally tied to bad weapons. It hardcounters certain weapons (1H thrusting swords, claws) which bounce off of it.
Hammers with it and the BKS are generally too slow to capitalize on it unless they trigger the bounce-off, in which case you get two R1s, the first boosted by the instability bonus. if it doesn't bounce off, it will generally be able to roll out before the hammer can do anything. Cestus version is in the same boat, but slightly better simply on account of being ever-so-slightly faster. Basically, the vast majority of the application of the WA on these weapons is punishing shit players that mash R1 and don't know what's going on.

Greathammer version is worthless as they're too slow to even punish the bounce-off. They also have a 0-damage shockwave as part of the animation, which has no recovery, so if it staggers someone attacking into your perseverance, they can instantly roll out of that stagger. It actually helps slow weapons get away from you faster.

RHH version is the most effective one, simply because it's fast enough to punish a lot of approaches, and has enough reach to be a threat. Thrust damage amplifies the benefit of trading via the WA and it's generally the weapon that makes the most use of and benefits the most from it. You can WA on reaction to most ultra weapon attacks and punish with a thrust-counterhit combo. You can just spam the damn thing against virtually anything because long-reach thrusts with hyperarmor are really goddamn dangerous. Just be wary that it tends to telegraph that you're about to attack and makes parrying easy if you're predictable.

Morne's Rage is technically a perseverance WA and it's so much goddamn better than all the rest it's almost comical. It has the same "hit" as greathammer's as part of the animation, except this one does damage, about the same as an uncharged R2, and has a significantly longer stagger that chains into the explosion.

>>147366285
>uses CE
>plays like shit
>picks both

>>147373650
A ton of vitality for <30% rolling.

>>147368141
crescent falchion speed run to grab it or get sticky white stuff

>>147373865
Talking about perseverance, when is exactly a good time to activate it? Kind of the same time as a parry?

>>147374246
Pretty much. When you expect your enemy is committing to an attack or combo. However, the cost of fucking up the timing is a bit harsh since any functioning person likely won't get caught by the same trick twice.
I use is almost exclusively to secure kills.

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>>147373819
because i'd rather dick invaders than hosts
ganksquads are too much of a hassle

weapons are bandit knife, brigand daggers and storyteller staff for the poison WA. target shield just because
horsehoof is used over silver serpent when dicking invaders

>>147374084
seems stupid enough to work

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About to make my second build on DaS3. I want to use the pontiff knight curved sword. Should I go dex or quality for it, and which class should I start as for building best?

>>147374475
>27 vig
Not enough homeboy. Dfinitely End, Att for quicksteps and Vit for fastrolling.

>>147374585
but you can quickstep without any FP
does it just not have iframes?

>>147373865
>Warcry
One of the best WAs simply by virtue of being free stats
It's about 20 seconds of +7.5% physical damage, which is significant on regular axes/hammers and considerable on greataxes/hammers. The special R2s are universally bad and consume more stamina while having longer, more punishable animations, yet don't do appreciably more damage. That said, nothing short of the Large/Great club actually loses anything by losing access to their R2s for the duration. The buff animation is fast enough to be reapplied as-needed in a fight and a simple offhand regens quickly enough to mostly negate the cost of maintaining it perpetually, meaning virtually every weapon with it simply gains an extra 7.5% AR permanently. This is basically a slightly less-good Flame of Lorian, but tied to notably more usable weapons. The stagger is irrelevant as it's not fast enough to interrupt an enemy attack where an attack of your own would have worked just as well, and allows near-instant recovery so it can't combo into a followup even if it does land. One of the best WAs simply because it comes into play in every fight and is a constant benefit instead of being a highly situational, risky tool.

>>147374676
It loses its iframes, yes.

Can you parry the sudoku attack

>>147374585
also should i swap out bandit's knife for anything? feels a bit worthless when i can just carthus the brigand daggers

Is the first DLC out yet?

>>147375038
Why the twindaggers? Bandito's knife is good already. Innate bleed, longer reach and better scaling iirc.

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Okay, gaem playing question tiem

I bought both DaS2:SotFS and DaS3 in the sale right now. Which one should I play first?

>>147373808
Anyone?

>>147375182
i guess for against people who use unparriables
what would you recommend?

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so is this a oversight or intended? It seems like they wanted you to see it but only reach it after beating NK.

Having just finished ds2 NG+, and after playing bloodborne and ds3 through, I just bought a second-hand ps3 so i can play dark souls.
The fuck's wrong with me?

>>147375228
Scholar takes much longer than DS3. It's also considered the worst in the series and the most irrelevant story wise. DS3 continues DS1 much more story wise, so I'd go with that one.

I personally loved Scholar and didn't care for 3, but that's an opinion that isn't common.

>>147375228
3, shorter but more active currently so you'll benefit most from doing it now. The references to 2 are few and far between so you won't miss much.

Do a dried finger run, post your levels here and let us invade.

>>147375390
you like playing through the series backwards?

remember to pick up demon's souls at some point

>>147375228
Doesn't matter. They're mechanically different enough that playing one before the other won't necessarily afford you and kind of upper hand, and the stories are completely independent of one another so it's up to you.
>>147375308
The bandit's knife covers all contingencies, doesn't it? You should be twohanding it to get the most out of it. If you want to parry then take out your shield and if you can't then just quickstep. But if you just want some moveset variety then Thrall's Axe might be worthwhile.

>>147375228
ds2 is better. Play that.

>>147375470
I got ds3 when it came out and cut my teeth on that game. Fun, horrific times. That got me hooked and I went on to bloodborne and then ds2: sotfs. I guess it is ass-backwards isn't it? Saved the best for last though.

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>google DS3 DLC to see if anything has been announced
>multiple results from different "christian news" websites

>>147375335
intended, why would they give you a dragon slaying wep after you've cleared all dragon content

>>147375228
DS2 before 3. That's always bugged me when people ask me if they should go through a sequel before going to the original. Like, NO, always go through it in release order! Never go out of order! You go 1-2-3, not 2-3-1.

>>147375496
i considered that or a rapier of some sorts
i'll farm for the axe and see how it does, heard good things about it

>>147374698
>Lothric's Sacred Light
I think the SS version is probably one of the best WAs in the game, powerful enough to focus an entire build around it. It's basically an extremely fast poke, comparable to great farron dart in speed while doing upwards of 200 damage with an surprisingly fat hitbox that outranges literally every melee weapon in the game significantly. It's almost completely unpunishable, does pure physical damage, deals higher damage if the thrust portion of the attack connects and is relatively spammable. What makes it so damn good, I think, is the fact that it's paired with straightsword 1HR1s, which are already incredibly good all around and make someone very difficult to approach. I suspect high-FP lothric turtles may become a thing when this weapon finally catches on.

GS version does more damage for the same FP cost and speed, but doesn't have the straightsword's moveset to back it up, which I think makes it inherently less useful, and also costs noticeably more stamina, decreasing its synergy with a passive/turtling playstyle, which utilizes the WA the best.

And that's all. The rest of the WAs in the game aren't worth mentioning due to either being too slow to use, lacking a real niche that justifies using them over other attacks, or being so easy to parry or avoid that they're never worthwhile. Some people think the GSoJ is good now but outside of honor duels letting someone buff at the start of a fight, both of the WA attacks that trigger the buff are bad and easy to beat out, punish or, in the case of the stanceR1, parry.

>>147375335
It's raised such that it's reachable through the bars instead of sitting on the ground like a normal item. It's definitely intended, likely to be a little teaser.

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>>147375830
>DS2
>mechanically or thematically connected to 1 or 3

>>147375830
The thing is, it doesn't matter for souls games.

The only games you need to play in order are 1 and 3.

Demon's is a whole different type of story, so is Bloodborne.

2 is basically a standalone. You could consider it a retelling.

>all these idiots whos first souls game wasnt 2 so they dont understand how its objectively the best

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What are some cool weapons I can suicide run to in dark souls 1?

>>147376127
If it were objective then it wouldn't have mattered what order someone plays any of them.
I like DS2 but please stop bastardizing words.

>>147376221
fuck off mattdrone

>>147376192
all of them except boss weapons

>>147374246
You want to use it predictively when you think your enemy is going to commit to an attack. Usually before you actually see them attack
You don't want their attack to hit the casting animation itself if at all possible (unless they;re using a 1H rapier) because they can usually roll out afterwards fairly safely. The effect bleeds over after the end of the cast for just long enough to attack, so you basically use it before you would attack with the intention of trading with your opponent. Running attacks (excluding katanas) are the easiest attacks to punish with it, since they commit into long animations

Just like anything else, don't be predictable with it or it'll make you easy to parry.

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>tfw stuck at abyss watchers as a cleric
First time Im "stuck" in a souls game. Even when I first bought demons souls when I had a console, I didnt get stuck. Played it offline and I didnt have any specific build, I could even say that I didnt even know what I was doing, but things went smoothy.
Eventually caved in and figured I'd summon a phantom or two to help, turns out theres zero summon signs in that area. Feels bad man.

>>147376279
who

>>147376192
Zweihänder, in the Skellington Cemetery right next to Firelink.

so when will they remake des or dks 1?
the other games are just trash imo

>>147376005
>a retelling.
Except it doesn't really retell anything from the other games. It's completely standalone, the only themes that carry over are the presence of a deific soul-powering flame and the utter futility of perpetuating indefinite cycles, which 3 touches upon but delivers in a much less astute fashion.

>>147376352
What weapon are you using and what upgrade is it?

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>>147376192
master key gift->havel's tower->left and then down->black knight halberd chance to drop->make the run over and over till you get it->stunlock quelagg

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>>147366013
Cant believe Im laughing at this shit. Fucking end me.

>>147375247
You got lots of options. GCFO if you're trying to learn free aiming, vestiges if not. Surge is a free punish and helps against bad passive players. Black flame is a combo tool. Serpent got buffed tracking and is useful against groups. Whip is a strong attack if you get it off fully.
Rapport, sacred flame, iron flesh, warmth and profaned flame are all situational choices.

If DS2 covenants were personified into waifus, what would the Bell Keepers, Brotherhood of Blood and Heirs to the Sun be?

>>147376547
Still using that stupid mace and I have a fire gem on it because Im an idiot and still think its worth it. I dont want to admit that Im dumb. Cant remember what upgrade level it is.
I just dont know what alternatives to use, I just have yet to find a weapon that "clicks". Taking any suggestions at this point, Im stumped.

>>147373808
Great Chaos Fireball is GOAT

>>147371173
>>147371220
>pontiff is between aldrich and yhorme

The posters of this general are fucking retarded

>>147376769
I'd need to know what your stats before I recommend anything you might not be able to hold.

Don't mind me, just posting best boss theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tuWvGee4T0

>>147376763
wat

>>147376465
A retelling of the premise.

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>>147376897
>reach Dungeon
>kill Yhorm
>continue to Yorshka's shortcut
>kill Pontiff
>go to Anot Londo
>kill Aldrich

>try to start das1 ng+ for the first time
>realize i can't upgrade weapons at the start and have to collect all the embers again
>forced to use same gear as first playthrough

well this sucks ass

>>147376763
Bellkeepers would be a pair of extremely lewd midgets uncontrollably vomiting chunks.
Brotherhood of Blood would just be titchy gren in a red swimsuit.
Heirs of the Sun would be a solaire bodypillow

>>147376769
They don't take a lot of fire damage, anything faster than the mace does wonders because they can be stunlocked. I don't know what you're leveling, but I'll say two weapons you might be able to wield as off now that could work would be the Astora greatsword (you can beat the second phase by spamming R2) or you can use a broadsword and hit them with 2-4 R1s then roll back.

You can also ask /dsg/ for summons.

So I got to irityhll or whatever the place is called and I'm slvl 31. Is this a bit low for this place or something? These niggas strong af.

>>147377151
40 is normal for irithyll.
You can go tackle the smouldering lake to power up if you don't think you can handle irithyll at 30

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>>147376929
I uh, havent been smart with my stats, but suggest something if you can.

>>147377108
would female titchy gren have a VA that's as outrageously bad as normal gren's VA?
>hey, doyuhwunnabecuvrdinblud, sempai?

>>147377243

>14 vigor
>17 dex (???)))


RIP

>>147377294
Who said it'd be female?

>>147377382
>waifus

>>147377452
(male)

>>147375967
That's right, it's actually original with its story and mechanics instead of copypasting everything like DaS3.

I've been farming Grand Archives for 2 hours and have not once gotten a Scholars Candlestick.
Can someone give me one that doesn't use it all?

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>>147377243
You don't need to worry about having a perfect stat spread your first time. Just play what you like.
But with your Str/Dex, I'd recommend the Battle Axe, ASS (or any other straight sword you have and can hold).

>>147377701
>it's actually original
HE BELIEVES IT

>>147377086
GIB DOUJIN MATE

>>147377243
If you like straight swords you can put one more level into dex and farm the Lothric Knights for their sword. It's pretty good

if you give rosaria tongues is there any way to still do sirris questline?

>>147376005
DeS and BB are stand alone titles, so you don't need to play anything else. But for numeric series, you have to go through them in the order they came out. I never understood why that's not how people think on a default level with that kind of stuff.

>>147377775
Only because you've exhibited good taste
http://exhentai.org/g/865850/9544ab5409/

>>147377045
It's pretty good, I don't like the male chorus though, still one of the best theme of the game with Gwyn and Ornstein and Smough

>>147377740
>>147377816
I guess I'll try out the straight swords I have in my inventory. Probably better than the turd that I have now, thanks. I'll see if I have a battleaxe around somewhere aswell. Maybe I'll end up liking something in this category after I get used to them.

>>147375862
Anon. The GSoJ stance doesn't have to be used as an attack to be useful. It lasts long enough that you can just back out, stance R1, and get back in.
With the buff active, it's as strong as an ultra.

>>147378015
What about Nito's theme.

>>147378114
That's a really long "back off and lock myself into a vulnerable animation" time. If your opponent doesn't give you the space, you're outta luck. Being a retard check doesn't exactly make a WA good, otherwise Stomp would be god-tier.

>>147377707
Plataform?

>>147378167
Swaglord Nito has a good theme too, I guess

>>147378098
I've found that the battle axe moveset is way more satisfying and weighty this time around. It's my second favorite earlygame weapon behind the ASS.

Where are the DLCs

I dont wanna farm for shit I end up not liking anymore. I'm tired of it being the onlyt hing left to do right now

>>147378340
PS4

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Holy shit these legs make you THICC

>>147377870
Dark Souls 2 is basically a stand alone title, despite being part of the series number wise. You can play Dark Souls 2 and Dark Souls 2 only and that's fine. You lose almost nothing from not playing 1. The only things you lose out on are some subtle throw backs to the first game, but it doesn't matter if you understand or not because the story still plays out in an easy to understand manner. It's a curse, it's a cycle, your actions basically mean nothing.

>>147378480
be patient, The Old Hunters wasn't announced until September

>>147378480
Farming isn't even that hard, only gems and covenants have shit drop rates.

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Thoughts?

>>147378167
It have a nice atmosphere for the fight, but its a bit too bland for the context
I really love when a theme is strongly harmonic with the level
Ash lake theme nails the atmoshere perfectly

>invade at pontif on faithcuck
>you have invaded eva braun
>run towards garden
>phantom donald trump with havel's greatshield
>eva braun a sorcerer behind him
>adolf hitler on the high rise providing cover support with bow
>nigel farage casting miracles and pyromancies with the white hair talisman

im not even fucking angry. top kek

>>147378692
Big American damages

>>147377747
>mechanics
Original. They tried a massive amount of things and most were excellent.
>story
You're no prophesied Chosen Undead, you're just some wandering, sad near-hollow about to lose everything.
There's no hope, just the vague promise of a cure no one believes in but you.
The curse of the Shard of Manus Nashandra, aspect of Want, draws people to the land of Drangleic, where the weak lose their memory, in a "peace like the Dark."
The idea of the cycle of Flame and Dark is introduced and with it, despair. The Age of Fire is a farce.
You find immortality through the crowns of ancient kings, and gain it. Immune to the curse and with the Scholar on your side, you walk away from the Flame to find another way.

No part of this is pasted from Dark Souls 1. Dark Souls 2 is its own game. Unlike 3.

>>147378692
best when rawed on a faith build. easily hits ~700 ar with shocky blade

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>>147365869
>new patch is released buffing faith
>start a new ERP waifu to take advantage of blessings by FTOM
>finally clear dancer with help of down scaled phantom
>takes hours upon hours to mak progress through Lothric Castle with my +2 weapon and under 1k health
>many many death to reach each next bonfire or shortcut
>with a little luck, even less skill, and lots of determination make it to sunlight alter and lothric divine time
>even find cool ass fashion (pic very related)
>trying to find someone anyone to summon me for hours near vordt, curse tree, and sages
>only find invaders every once in a while
>maybe the patch fucked something, try logging on main and not a single sign at pontiff, no one summons me at princes, slayer, or nk, when it's usually instant summons
>figure my Internet must be acting up
>try again today after a few days go by and still no summons
>go on Internet to tell other autist about how shitty from match making is

[Spoiler]realise I left on password after 3 days[/Spoiler]

>>147378887

it actually has more ar on base equip stats refined than raw

>>147378582
Honestly, you are better off just skipping DaS2 altogether.

The optimal order to play the games is:
DeS, DaS1, DaS3, BB. You want to play BB last because it is the best in the series and will ruin the other games for you a bit because you will always be comparing them to it.

>>147374570
Just play it out on Mugen. That's part of the fun.

>Invisible gankers
BRAVO SONY
BRAVO FROM

>>147378973
>>new patch is released buffing faith
I've been out of the loop, did this really happen?

>>147378973
I almost did the same thing senpai don't worry about it. No summon signs after sully and I got scared.

>>147379231
Yeah just checked after removing password and there's instantly like 12 red signs down outside of pontiff

>>147378843
And I should say that this is what they managed to put together after a complete scrambling of the assets Shibuya left and isn't even the original plot that involved time travel.

What the FUCK could have happened to 3 to make it pretty much just Dark Souls 1.5?

>>147379223
Yeah. Wolnir's is a strong STR/FAI weapon now, Pillars got about double the damage (still kinda bad), Lothric Holy Sword got a whopping 13% new faith scaling, Morne's scaling was split between STR and FAI.

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THEORY TIME:
The black monster things (pus of man or whatever) that Iundex and the hollows in Lothric transform into is a humanity/abyss corruption. Being so close to the age of dark, humanity is gaining a raw and untamed power as the abyss takes over.

I took my clothes off when hollow and noticed that the character model has some weird tendrils growing out from the heart, in the same place Iundex does. Have a look at where the heart is on the chest, and the stuff around it. As you hollow in the game (through the pilgrim), you, too, are being consumed by the abyss and gaining this raw power. Hence "draw out inner strength". This inner strength is the strength of the dark soul, of the abyss. We've seen it on Iundex, on the hollows in Lothric.

We also see the abyss taking over the world after the dancer in Lothric, with the darksign in the sky; and "imperfect dragons" made of hollows flying around


Conclusion:
The "best" ending is actually you just submitting to Kaathe and ushering the age of dark. Usurping the fire is probably a better ending - it leaves you with time and choice.
The DLC will involve harnessing the power of the abyss and fighting it, similar to DS1 DLC. There will be a new abyss/darkstalker covenant that gives you the ability to transform into a pus of man. And a new ending where you defeat the abyss.


Exfoliate.

>>147379482
does lightning magic still suck dick?

>>147372381
What about the DKG? Is it worth upgrading?

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Great Club or Great Machete?

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Hey /dsg/, I just stumbled upon this image, and I'm curious as to how accurate it actually is. Out of the 3, I've only actually completed Dark Souls 1, and it was surprisingly easy to identify what each direction is (the reddish dots are each lord soul) but because of that it seems to be missing The Painted World of Ariamis which I'd imagine should have been a grey dot poking off from the second highest dot (which I'm pretty sure is Anor Londo).

Are the others accurate? I've only just started Dark Souls 2 and I've definitely been able to notice the multiple paths branching off from Majula (I counted either 4 or 5 - I don't know whether the basement of the mansion leads to an equivalent of the Catacombs or if it's just a single room full of skellingtons).

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>>147377949
AAAAAAAAAAAAA AND HERE I WAS THINKING IT WAS YUUGI
THANKS BRO

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/dsg/
Help me kill the goddamned Sullyvahn's Beast.
I can't even get to the fucking charging nigger without an invader raping me.
I'm on PS4. Pass is dsg

For the love of god, just help me.
please.

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pc fight club
gregor is back edition
pass is dsg, sl whatever
no fun aloud

>>147379512
>As you hollow in the game (through the pilgrim), you, too, are being consumed by the abyss and gaining this raw power. Hence "draw out inner strength"
Explain this to me, then:

Hollowing is what happens to you when you LOSE your humanity. People who have the Dark Soul inside of them exist in human form, and hollows obsessively hoard humanity sprites to regain their non-hollow selves.

So, if the Dark Sigil is you inheriting the power of the Dark Soul, why do you have to hollow out to take advantage of it, which by definition means sacrificing any Dark Soul pieces in your possession?

https://youtu.be/Y3HPkXHxS_s

I shouldn't find this so funny, I can't stop myself.

>>147379652
Large club is better.

>>147379521
They sped up the lightning spears quite a bit. Sunlight Spear with capped cast speed is actually so fast it leaves your hands before the sound finishes.
It's still a point blank trading spell though.

Oh, and Lightning Stake is now a GOAT 1 slot unavoidable wakeup tool.

Faith is pretty ... decent. Not good enough yet though. Someday.

Pyromancy got buffed again too. Black Serpent has amazing tracking now and Chaos Vestiges is as fast as ye old DaS2 400 cast speed Forbidden Sun.
Black Flame and Great Combustion had a cast speed and hitbox increase. They combo into your pyromancy flame's L2 combustion now.

>start out pvping with das3 since ded souls has literally 0 action at all soul levels and areas
>find it really shitty
>end up liking it in a stockholm kinda way
>das global restart event
>watch some basic pvp videos in preparation
>actually go to play das 1 pvp with giantdad build since its reportedly easy
>invade for first time ever in das1
>backstab
>backstab backstab
>backstab backstab roll backstab
>parry
>backstabs instead of riposting
>everyone that plays this game has a sadistic backstab fetish and only pvps in order to get off

literally the most retarded fucking bullshit lmao. is bloodborne pvp basically the same thing as das3 pvp?because if it is im going to buy it and a ps4 literally right now desu

>>147379718
I'll help. Where should I put my sign?

what do you call it when enemy run away then attack they run away?

>>147379512
Sounds very fanfiction, specially the last part. Forgot a thing, the chest thing was in the past games too, and they were nowhere as close to the end of the flame.
I think the darksign appears after 3 lords die, but I forgot.
Pus of man seems only to be the next stage of natural hollowing, different from what happened in Oolacile.

>>147380070
Where pontiff arena signs usually go, I guess.

https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/52047

Rate my meme

>>147380171
Sign's down

>>147379849
Well the main point i wanted to make was that we will get a transform to be Pus of Man in the DLC because it's clearly visible on the character model that we're turning into one when we hollow.

But to answer your question:
I dunno, but that's DS1's fault. Because in DS1 DLC you fight the humanities *in* the abyss. So humanity is certainly of the dark soul, of the abyss. But at the same time, consuming humanity staves off the curse of the Abyss.

Hollowing is something unique to humans, it is the curse, but a curse could also be a boon depending on how you look at it?

I'm most inclined to think that all this inner strength and lord of hollows shit is just Kaathe lies. In the cathedral of the deep you see pilgrims with Kaathe faces. Serpents are the false/imperfect dragons. The Lord of Hollows ending is just you doing Kaathe's job for him because yuria sucks you off in return.

>>147379808
i am present

>>147379683
They are, Majula's 5 paths are:
Forest
Heide's
Black gulch
Huntsman
Things betwix

There was a more accurate image but I lack it, just shows how bad 3's world is connected. I hope they never patch out tears.

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>>147380391
no other signs though

>>147380332
Thanks man

>>147379984
It's much faster and the weapons have more combos because of the dual modes and transformation attacks. No backstabs and healing can be harshly punished.