/rlg/ - Roguelike General

>>147175715
>wins in the op
Can you fuck off yet?

So, what now?

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I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as a Roguelike, is in fact, a Roguelite, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Roguelikelike.

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Take it easy.

>>147176067
All I wanna know is where the G's at, where the Ki's at
Keep it easy, you don't want to get speedy
All on this motherfuckin room, nigga boom
Get on your back so we can get up soon
Stab you in your heart with a har-fuckin-poon
Nigga boom, nigga boom

>>147172329
How strange. I also downloaded the game yesterday.
Buy unlike you, I actually started reading the in-game help. You can gather a lot of info from there.

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>>147175589

>>147176238
>you will never lick yukari's feet
JUST

>>147176503
>this is the type of cancer that chris and his sick demented mind conjures up

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FUCK THIS PLACE
I'VE BEEN FUCKING STUCK HERE FOR 35 MINUTES NOW
I'VE GOT THROUGH 4 BREAD, 2 MEAT, A PIZZA, 2 TELEPORT SCROLLS
THIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT, I'M CONVINCED THERE IS NO WAY THROUGH THIS GODDAMN THING.

>>147176503
>not posting the 5.0 version

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>>147176808
Huh maybe you could git gud?

>>147176808
Just how stupid can you be, my man? follow the bricks until they get black and you'll find the fucking exit.

>>147176808
How the fuck do you fail at a labyrinth?

The walls tell you where the minotaur is. All you do is keep following a single wall around until you get into the metal area.

>>147176503
>extremely erratically
>incredibly quickly

>Za Warudo! Time has stopped
>it invokes a mana storm
>it invokes a mana storm
>it invokes a mana storm
>it invokes a mana storm
>Time will now resume its flow
>What a noble sacrifice!

pssh

I want to see someone be the unluckiest person in the warudo.

>>147176569
>what is lucid dreaming

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>>147176808
Reminder.

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>>147176238

>>147177083
>lucid dreaming
Sounds too good to be true desu.

>>147177341
I love that image.

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Don't gib shitpost.
Gib headpats.
This is the awoo's demand.
This is the awoo's will.
You will pat.
Now pat.

>>147175987
memes, awoos and bad haikus

>>147176503
Is this flavor text or is all that autism actually in the game?

i need to play this if it's the latter

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>>147177498
Awoo is secretly a lich. A LICH!

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>>147175715
?????

>>147178037
A MIND-FLAYER?

>>147177413
Well it is real, it's just that it takes a monumental effort to create a dream worth shit. You are better off having your typical dreams and just making sure you remember them after waking up. In my experience, all the best dreams I had came naturally to me.

t. someone who has experimented with dreams a lot

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>>147176238

>>147178063
It's clearly a purple giraffe.
How fucking stupid can you be?

>>147178063
ASHENZARI, WHAT IS A MIND FLAYER DOING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DUNGEON?

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>>147176569

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>>147178114

What's with all the animeposting?

Where are those characters even from? Touhou?

>>147178037
You can't fool me with your clever ruse you dwarf!

>>147178341
bookuhboo

>>147178092
I think I'll actually try it out. I always like insight on something before I do it, thanks anon.

>>147178341
Apparently so.
I want someone to post the unedited version of >>147129328 she looks like someone I know and it's giving me a diamond boner

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>>147178491
regards

>>147178491
You know someone who looks like chen?

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>>147178341
ikr?

>>147177928
It's all in the game, my man.

>>147178824
I didn't mean the black and white one

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>>147176503
>can open doors

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>>147178941
>can bash doors

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>>147178929
Too fucking bad!

>>147178909
what is it?

>>147178491
Google
Image
Search

I already did it and found it: https://i.yuki.la/a/1461997900736.png

>>147178037
A dwarven chaos knight?

>>147179060
>it casts dispel magic

It's bullshit.

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>>147179012
Chen has the /rlg/ spirit.

>>147179060
Last boss of PosChengBand.

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>>147176839
Ask and ye shall receive. tbqh it doesn't look quite as impressive at first glance.

>>147179137
Man I must suck at it because I couldn't find it, thanks. Now I just gotta hide it on some system folder.

>>147179262
>Last boss of PosChengBand.
Not Really.

>>147176503
I actually made the mistake of moving on to the 555 map tile before and that thing killed me before I even got a turn.

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>>147179216

>>147178226
Wow, he must be crazy to fly to this kind of game!

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mfw 6 uniques on snake:1

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>>147179318
>suitable for riding

>>147178471
You'll be in for a very interesting experience. It's crazy how little importance the modern world gives to dreams, considering you spend around 1/3 of your life sleeping. The single most important thing to know if you want to do this is that you need to be able to remember them consistently. Make a habit of remembering your dream as the first thing you do after waking up, and if possible write or type it down with as much detail as you can. You'll eventually start remembering more and you'll begin to realize just how vivid they can get.

>>147176762
that's Topi's fault, not chris' but otherwise yes

How much Shields skill do you need for a Large Shield to not be a burden?

>>147180550
25 or so but it says in the description of the shield nowadays

>>147180550
It tells you if you examine it.

>>147179625
freexpeee

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>>147180407
>Zangband, Topi Ylinen
>IVAN
>Unreal World

What's with Finns and good roguelikes?

>>147180602
>>147180624
Oh shit, that's fucking great.
Hoooooly shit, it does it for weapons too.
Thank you jesus, this is the best change ever

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I'm surprised melee monsters just stand there and let you shoot at them.

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how long did it take you to get bored of the repetitiveness of roguelikes? (namely crawl)

>>147180702
The wonders of living in a cold wasteland

>You sense a faint wave of psychic energy.

>>147179798
Is it even possible to catch one of those things?

>>147181489
About a year of bikeshedding from the DDA devs before I realized that it would never have any sort of progression beyond midgame and that the devs had a completely different design philosophy from what I wanted.

Maybe two months on Nethack. I fucking sucked at it and don't like reading guides.

Entirely too long on the Gearhead games, if they count. I heard those are being worked on again. Neat.

I still play ToME, if that counts. Probably my favorite one at the moment.

Any suggestions? Preferably something post-apocalyptic?

>>147181116
I think a couple of those # are pits that you can't cross without levitation.

>Tfw deep dorf with vampiric drain
Feels so optimal.

>>147183424
Too bad it doesn't work on half the shit endgame. Playing a DD is too stressful for me.

>>147183424
>>147183656
DDNe was my first 15 rune but it was stressing as fuck. After doing Slime I switched to Makhleb and used Arga with a shield. Pan almost made me quit thanks to torment but I managed to get necromut online for Hell and Tomb.

>You see here a novice ghost of a hill orc conjurer
>15 AC
>Weapon of flaming
>Doesn't even know magic dart
Why do this when it isn't tourney time?

I've gotten down into the lair and found the slime pits as a MiBe (i'm shit, I need the crutch) and am trying to find a ring of resist corrosion I dropped, any tips for searching for that shit other than just manually going through map mode?

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I'm trying to update generic_guns to the current state of master.
Anyone know why I'm getting this error? I figure it's some poor interaction with the "copy-from" syntax.

>>147183937
ctrl+f type rCorr and you'll find all the sources of rCorr you have seen up to that point. Of course, unidentified items won't show up.

>>147183937
>>147184025
I should add, Slime is not a place you go to early on after you finish Lair. It can be pretty unforgiving. I usually only do it if I'm going for at least 5 runes.

>>147183937
You'll die in the slime pits if you go in.

>>147182706
>I still play ToME, if that counts. Probably my favorite one at the moment.
Good taste

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Should I use this until I find a good mace?
And after when I should start using Firestarter*

>>147184202
Welp, i'm not pussyfooting this shit, i'm going for all 15. If somebody as shit as I has gotten this far I gotta push as hard as I can for total victory.
>>147184202
And why is that? I got shit ton of permanent food, 2 branded battleaxes and an executioner's axe.

>>147184394
You're gonna die. Slime is hard.

>>147184394
Its one of the few areas where mashing tab and summoning battle brothers will get you destroyed.

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>>147183319
They are, but I expected him to retreat around. They seem to path to you in other situations, at least.

New bowmaster power: ranged poison needle. Costs 20 hp an attempt, but I've never used the real thing to know how effective it is against monsters that aren't the babble. Took three hits (and two misses) to kill this AHMD.

Using it on a great hell wyrm didn't work out very well.

>>147184340
>Firestarted that early

Don't you dare splatting, you son of a bitch.

Use it when you get at least 2 pips of rF.

>>147184340
Ehh.. I would stick with mace

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>>147184017
Nevermind, figured it out.
Also holy shit, nice shelter.

>>147184741
Firestarter itself gives two pips of rF, he only needs one

>>147184394
MiBe hubris, classic. Do whatever you want, then. You have been warned.

>>147184394
Nigga you don't understand.
You are expected to LEAVE and come back much later because Slime Pits is MASSIVELY more difficult and is tuned for characters of much higher level.
There's a reason there's a huge fucking loot pile at the end.

>>147184898
Oh, yeah. Well, get a ring of protection from fire and you're golden.

>>147184394
Slime is something you MAYBE do once you're already good for Zot or post-end

Doing it right after Lair with a melee character is suicide

>>147185241
>There's a reason there's a huge fucking loot pile at the end
Stop, you're only going to convince him to go. But yeah, he should know that you find the Pits, you leave Lair and pretend they don't exist until you at least have explored Depths and Vaults.

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>>147185169
Well with as many resources as I got I feel pretty damn good about myself.

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>>147184898
>>147185242
IM GONNA SPLAT IM SO GONNA SPLAT
Fannar, Gastronok at the same place and some weird ass another unique on the same level along with 6 yaks are in the level

>>147185447
That just means you will waste a good character if you go to Slime right now

>>147185635
Well if that's so, then where should I go next? Orc mines then where?

>>147185516
Literally press <
There are other stairs.

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>>147185516
>already have the ring

IT'S TIME

>>147185684
Generally I do Lair -> Orc -> finish Dungeon -> Lair branches (not Slime) -> Vaults/Abyss, though that's for 3 runes.
If you want more just tack them on after Vaults.

>>147185705
>>147185734
Lair is on that level too

how is elona?

>>147186008
grindy

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>>147186008

>>147185973
Yeah but I mean take a stair down to that level that isn't neighbored by Fannar and Gastronok.

>>147185684
Orc, then a Lair branch of your choice that isn't Slime (assuming you have rElec and rPois, otherwise whichever isn't snake takes priority until you get rElec), then either the rest of the Dungeon if you haven't finished it yet or the other branch

>>147186145
I'm currently hunting for some rPois to take on snake and shoals. Even I knew that trying on that shit without any poison resistance would leave me starving.

>>147186145
Good thing Spider also has electric enemies now :^)

Dynahack or Elona+?

>>147186309
>blue or pizza?

>>147186145
I like doing Orc then Dungeon then the branch.

>>147186512
Pizza, obviously.

>>147186261
Well it's more an issue about damage rather than food, you can no longer eat poisoned chunks even with rPois. They removed that

Shoals has plenty of edible enemies, but you'll burn through quite a bit of permafood in Snake unless you get lucky with anacondas and salamanders

>>147186762
>Well it's more an issue about damage rather than food, you can no longer eat poisoned chunks even with rPois. They removed that
>
>Shoals has plenty of edible enemies, but you'll burn through quite a bit of permafood in Snake unless you get lucky with anacondas and salamanders
I meant it in the manner of having to wait out all the fucking poison and regen all the goddamn time would burn through my food moreso.

>Starving
>Ever

>>147186873
Food is almost never a problem in Crawl. As in, it never even comes into the question as anything but a Troll unless you're purposefully being stingy with permafood

>>147187112
>Xom teleporting you into a cage with no way of escape then starving to death
Are you trying to imply something

>bahamut is friendly to lawful characters
>but his escorts are not
This is such fucking bullshit.

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Got done with Orc. So do I go clear the rest of the dungeon now or go somewhere else? Also, should I train up bows for Rama's bow that I got right now.
>>147187112
>>147187164
I've never gotten this far so I'd rather be a bit safe. Considering I know all the later branches have nothing that I can butcher and I'm a berserker, I would rather save as much perma-food for as long as I can.

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best shop

>>147187276
>Hoes are friendly to their pimp
>Not to you

>>147187380
>great wyrms of law are not friendly to lawful characters
Apparently hoes aren't friendly to other hoes.

>>147187375
Dismiss?

>>147187525
Blinks enemies away if they hit you.

It's basically useless.

>>147187715
>they nerfed it anyway

>>147187335
Bows are good, put some into them but don't go crazy.

>>147187335
Are you training axes? That exec axe should be taking priority. For range, I recommend you find a blowgun and needles. They are effective even if you have literally 0 skill in throwing. Curare is broken against anything that can't resist poison. It'll come handy in shoals. Sadly, you got snake and it's rather useless there.
When going shoals carry a lightning wand with you. The noise it makes when evoked breaks mesmerization.

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>>147187972
Welp, just got all this shit. Time to take on snakes.

>>147188136
Nearly 20 with axes, I was thinking of switching to evocations or bows once I get there but what do ya'll think.

>>147187189
>Xom thinks this is hilarious

>>147187335
There is actually plenty of food in every branch except snake/crypt.

>>147187715
Its actually really great if you aren't a tablord.

>>147188191
Stop drinking Papa Xom's fun time juice.

>>147188136
Blowguns were very heavily nerfed for 0.18

Now you need 8 throwing for them to be as strong as they used to be, and by the time you can comfortably do that they're well in their way to becoming obsolete for anything but certain enemies in Vaults as the whole section of the game where rPois is rare is already over

>>147188191
>you tend to lose your temper in combat
Ruh-roh
Oh well, if you worship Trog the chances of passing out after berserking are nullified I think

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>>147188353
>Stop drinking Papa Xom's fun time juice.
No, its fun.
>>147188448
Imma quaff that cure muts after I finish snake with my natural rPois

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So, uh, how far away from anthills can ants spawn?
I'm looting a lab that's at least 10 map tiles away from an anthill and ran into an ant down here.

>>147188551
You won't have enough cMut if you keep burning them on fun. If you do the fulll 15, every cMut counts.

>>147188551
Anon one of your fucking rings has rPois

And you had it from your first screenshot if I'm seeing correctly

>>147188740
I bought that only now from a store much earlier in the dungeon.

>>147188551
You're a MiBe, why are you wearing a steam dragon armor? Slap on a scale/plate.

>>147188885
I don't know what I'm doing. This is the first time I've gotten this far. I've dropped a scale of rC earlier in the dungeon after the I got ice caves, that good?

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Will this stuff help me in Shoals?

>>147189096
That one's alright, better than SDA. Ctrl+f plate and look for the runed ones. You cleared Orc so there could be a few.

>>147189335
No runed plate anywhere but I picked one up in snake.

At what point should I dump trog, if ever?

>>147188568
About 10 map tiles, but they get rare at the edges.

>>147189276
Do axes crosstrain maces? Firestarter is good if you have rF+ to resist the deadly fireballs it creates. The weapon provides more resistance so you don't get yourself killed.
Shoals is very open and firestarter is extremely noisy. You do the math. This becomes manageable later on, when your character can stand being surrounded like in Vaults 5.

in Cata Experimental does solder have any use other than crafting ammo? I can't seem to find anything that doesn't just use the bare soldering iron instead.

>>147189826
bloat

>>147189826
The thing is that tools can't use multiple types of charge in CDDA presently. So the soldering iron item can't even use it (it uses batteries). And obviously solder itself doesn't have any tool properties.
So no, not that I know of.

>>147189276
You might need a little more HP, mang.

>>147189276
Do your other branch first.

>>147189896
as expected of cata's devs

>>147189807
Ah, good to know.
Does the same distance apply for other features like triffids?

>>147190523
Yeah, I think it's the exact same value.

>>147189826
http://cdda-trunk.estilofusion.com/solder_wire/recipes/CC_AMMO
Nope. (the item browser is a bit behind on the recent exp, and it break at times).

>>147189276
Shoals, Snake or finishing the dungeon first?

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>>147190896
Forgot image

>>147191057
Dungeon > snek > shoals. Try to have MR++ by the time you enter shoals.

>>147190896
I'd go Snake. As a gargoyle you don't have to worry about zapsnakes or poison, and naga are slow so you can run away if you attract too much attention with your boomstick.

>>147190896
Come to think of it, oughtn't Firestarter be extra good against sneks, since it hits the pokers in the second row?

>>147191257

Earth troll or that gay earth unique will kill him.

>>147191057

Just do snakes. Also,why you not using the fire weapon. You have rF+++

>>147191057
I don't know why you wear such sucky armor. You want lots of AC.

>>147192063
Troll LRD doesn't do that much damage to gargoyles actually.

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>>147192069
For the SInv
Though i found this.
Is it worth training polearms?

>>147192378
You already have a good weapon in Firestarter. You won't want another weapon ever, since you have the holy gmace too.

>>147192378
Also, SInv is literally worthless for your character until depths. Wear a heavier armour, you can easily accommodate plate or scale. A nice rC scale or MR scale would do you really good.

>>147190337
Honestly, unless the project gets forked and taken up by someone else, I've entirely given the fuck up on anything coming out of Cata. : /

>>147192673
What should I do with the acquirement scroll?
Jewelry?

>>147192378

You don't need SInv. Your more likely going to die from wearing the shitty armour than something you cannot see.

Protip if something is hitting you and you cannot see them you can still hit them.

No do not train polearms. Train fighting so you don't get killed by shatter or LRD in depths.

>>147192254

If he gets surrounded by Troll Earth Elementist he going to die. If he gets surrounded by Snakes he cannot even be poison.

>>147192906
Wand.

>>147192878
I upgraded to the latest experimental lately, was awed by the sheer LACK of progress being made, and downgraded to stable again.
I don't understand how they can make so many changes but accomplish so little. They're pretty good at adding annoying shit, though.

>>147192998
He'll get fucked by the hasted/mighted trolls more than the LRD though. You only see 1-2 EE per pack, and they tend to explode walls more than the gargoyle. Getting

>>147192906
Never Acquire Jewelry maybe if you're an Op but otherwise forget it.

>>147193045
Snails are so cute. There's a bunch where I live, so adorable.

>>147193193
>Snails are so cute
Also parasite infested.

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There is "ancient plate armor" in here for a grand, should I take it?

>>147193253
I don't actually touch them, I just observe them.

>>147193352
>not eating them and getting a severe case of lungworm
lmao

>>147193324
>aqua teen hunger force
mah nigga
you should post the armor for us

>>147193324
Have you been to Orc yet? If so, yes.

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>>147193776
I only got +1 armor on right now.
>>147193849
Yes.

>>147193923
Yeah definitely pick that up.

>>147193026
You are missing out on the new NPC questline then.

And that monsters evolve over time. And a lot of Z variety.
Compare:
http://cdda-trunk.estilofusion.com/monsters/species/ZOMBIE
With
http://cdda.estilofusion.com/monsters/species/ZOMBIE

I think the more recent improvements have mainly focused on making adding new stuff easier, and removing old code that does nothing (or is secretly broken). Refactoring of the json files.

For example, a monster was limited before to have only one attack, now they can have several.

So there is some progress. It just is slower than a snail, and not as cute. And has a lot more infections.

>>147194043
+8 Plate of the beggar, rC++, Str -2, Int +5
Not bad. So after I'm done with shoals, where should I run off to? Finish Dungeon?

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>Tfw you found a power ranger sword
Too bad i cannot use it

>>147194239
Finish your other branch, finish dungeon, finish vaults 1-4, and read the pasta. It has a branch order template in it.

>>147194357
Already got snake done.
Thanks for the help, furthest I've ever gotten was lair with a centaur hunter.

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>>147193324
Yes. After you're done with orc, spend as much dosh as you can on useful stuff.

>>147194341
Warped plate armor or slime plate armor?

>>147193045
>>147193193
Snails are some Lovecraft shit desu

>>147194606
When I went through it seemed like there were only 2 levels of orc. Am I dumb and missed something or is orc really just that short, not including elf.

>>147194749
Orc has 2 in current crawl. It used to have 4.

Generic Guns mod, Y/N?

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>serpent does more damage than azathoth who is an omnipotent god and creator of our reality
Fucking faggots if you have a character in your game at least try to follow their lore.

>>147194841
Oh, and I found the treasure trove on, like, dungeon 4 or something. Is that good and worth it?

>>147195121
Y

>>147195169
What does the trove desire?

>>147195131
>PCB
>lore

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>>147195169
Goddamnit, I found this on the very next fucking level of shoals.
>>147195245
2 Scrolls of aquirement.

>>147195121

It's broken in experimental currently.

>>147194606
>elf wizard fucboi portrayed as smug muscle model
Into the trash it goes. Duvessa is the dom.

>>147195251
But they copy-pasted Lovecraft's own description.

>>147195349
Who cares dude, you have an IDA with no rF-. Fuck those items, only Tukkumig is decent, but you have a +8 plate.

>>147195349
Give it the scrolls.

>>147195350
How current is current? I have 5138

>>147195523
I'm looking for them.
So it would be worth it?

>>147195572
I don't know the build numbers since I just pull from master.
It has been broken for at least a week or two though.
I'm working on a PR which fixes it. Should be done sometime tomorrow.

>>147195596
Probably. Do you have a haste wand?

>>147196251
Nope but I got just about every other kind of wand.

>>147196325
You have a pretty good chance of haste wand if what if you say is true. Via acquirement I mean. But troves always have some dope shit. Its your choice, I'd probably go with trove. You're just a tablord anyway, no need to get fancy.

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>>147196521
I'm only tabbing on floors I cleared already. I've had a couple of opportunities (Snakey-Venom Rune) that definitely would have killed me if all I did was tab.

Anyways, can I take this?

>>147193923
>runed gloves
You want those

>>147196705
No.

>>147196705
You should definitely be using the elec Battleaxe more than the flaming one, I hope you know.

>>147196847
I'm only using it because I figured the MuMo wannabes are weak to fire.

>>147196936
They are not.
You can see vulnerabilities in xv.

>>147196809
>>147197009
Well I killed one but noped the fuck out with a TP scroll when the reaper looking ass popped out.

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>>147196181
Awesome.

>>147197159
And I just read-ID'd a scroll of aquirement. Not exactly what I wanted but I got a wand of Haste out of it.

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>>147197407
Noice. Wand of haste is your best friend. He zaps for freedom and fights against evil.

>>147197407
That's pretty much what you wanted, even if you don't know it.

>>147195350
>It's broken in experimental currently.

Fucking bravo DDA.

(As an aside, I'm fucking sick of the way ammo drops in that game. My hairy fucking ass that a hypermilitarized 2030s America that sells way more armaments on the civilian market than it currently does wouldn't have massive ammo stashes fucking everywhere. Fuck this "20 bullets at a time" bullcrap, the minimum drop should be on the order of 100 and the higher end loot stashes should be on the order of thousands of rounds.)

>>147198134
You can basically use a pistol forever in generic if you kill a zombie in 1-3 shots. Ammo drops of 50-100 are very common and gun basements are a thing too.

>>147198134
I feel like dropping way to much ammo is a balance problem though.
Aside from the obvious silliness of
>attempting to balance DDA

I feel like GG should give you less ammo honestly (since it is so easy to get huge stockpiles when everything fits).

>>147198134
Early on ammo is fine imo
Late game military facilities could have massive ammo caches, though

>>147198305
Yeah, of course, for some reason you never find the 50 rounds of the ammo you can actually use.

At least most guns thankfully spawn with an empty clip.

But I have several dozen guns and the only ammo that matched was for the shotguns.

>>147198749
Shotguns and pistol ammo drops super often. My character that I parked cleared a whole city with a souped up pistol and still has like 500+ rounds for it. All it takes is 100~ rounds and it just becomes self perpetuating as long as you kill zombies.

>>147198869
Just realized I play with most of the 'moah gunz' mods on. That might screw with the distribution a bit.

>>147194239
>not bad
Nigga that's great. You are a minotaur too so -2 str is almost nothing to you.

>>147197407
So you don't look like you don't know it, but wand of haste is arguably the best item in the game.

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>you can now only install a limited number of CBMs

>>147199883
I know how good haste is but I was hoping to pick it up in the trove when I go my second scroll.

Speaking of which, will the trove close up afterwards or will it stay open as a little safe for all my shit.

>>147194239
It's no ring mail, but it's alright

>>147200212
Its basically a fully enchanted IDA with no rF-. Shit is nuts.

>>147200102
Good thing you are asking this. When you are ready to open the trove, make sure you have some inventory space (10 slots or more should be fine) to pick up whatever is inside. Once you exit, you can't go back inside. You can just drop some stuff right at the entrance to make room before going in and it pick everything up when you are done.

>>147199901
In theory this means they can rebalance all the crap ones that do nothing or duplicate an item you have five million copies of so they are worth installing.

Except it's DDA so that will never get done.

>>147200102
They close
The floor is a perfectly safe place to leave your sick Loot

>>147200671
But i'm scared, what if an out of depth slime comes around and gobbles up my good shit?

>>147200508
It kinda just means that nobody will use the shittier ones.
Nobody's going to trade out Joint Torsion Ratchets or Integrated Toolsets for something like a Teleportation Unit.

>>147200821
Slimes don't gobble shit you've seen anymore.

>>147200671
Remember when you'd have to throw disto items into the lava?

>The orc knight picks up the +8 +8 axe of minotaur's lament {Distortion, -Tele, +4 slaying}

>>147200821
That never happens.

>>147198560
Try going down a missle silo. Lootorama!

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I've just been dumped onto the abyss level with the rune. Should I try and take advantage and snatch it while I can or just gtfo and come back later.

>>147202112
Definitely leave. Abyss: 4 is a hell hole and you don't have regen or stealth. You'll probably get mutated to shit too.

>>147199901
>game is 2ez!
>game stops being 2ez
>HOLY FUCK THOSE FUCKING RETARDS FIXED SOMETHING I HATE THEM, UNFIX IT

>>147202508
Also, should I dump trog? I'm not killing enough shit to keep piety up for good allies and barely using berserk or the hand. And if so, who should I trade to?

>>147202942
How many runes you got?

>>147202931
>cbms make the game too easy
Said no one fucking ever.

>>147202942
>should I dump trog
>Commit suicide Y/N?

>>147203052
2
Shoals and snakes.

>>147203164
His penance can't be 'that' bad.

>>147203175
Get your 3rd rune and consider ditching him at that point.

>>147203280
That is what dad anon thought. He got trog'd.

>takes 70+ arrows to kill the defiler
Maybe you guys were right about archers being a lot better. I'm going through arrows faster than the town restocks, and my damage is kind of bad since branded arrows might as well not exist.

Or maybe it just feels bad since you have to shoot a lot more than you do to melee.

>>147203414
Well I always found Defiler to be sort of beefy.

>>147203280
You know how good high-piety brother in arms is?
Imagine getting six/eight of them dumped on you multiple times

>>147203414
>He isn't killing hydras a level 5 with mithril shot
>He isn't shooting things with infinite branded seeker arrows after level 20
laughingarchers.jpg

>>147203660
I thought I had a good plan: gamble for crafting scrolls and brand some stacks of 99 arrows.

Problem: it doesn't work even though the arrows show up as a choice when you read the scroll. Oh, and it wastes the scroll too.

>>147202931
>>game is fun!
>>game stops being fun
>>HOLY FUCK THOSE FUCKING RETARDS BROKE SOMETHING I HATE THEM, UNBREAK IT

>>147202931
CBMs are more often than not trap options for a good while, though. Either you'll botch the install, or you'll think the Fusion Blaster CBM is great, or you'll haul the fucker around for ages when the storage space would be better spent on something else.

By the time you can use CBMs intelligently, the game's *already* too easy, except for the special encounters, which CBMs really don't help with. Furthermore, it's yet another symptom of "everything in the game sucks now because Kevin's an ass who wants the game to be a no win situation that progressively gets shittier."

God damnit, I had such high hopes that DDA would turn into a game about rebuilding a few small outposts of civilization against the harshness of the new world. Instead it's just, "Lol, everything sucks forever," which kind of defeats the entire purpose of playing.

>>147203078
>nanobots for infinite hp
>sensory dulling for infinite pain resistance
>time stop
CBMs make it impossible for the game to ever have an endgame.

>>147204212
>Instead it's just, "Lol, everything sucks forever," which kind of defeats the entire purpose of playing.
>because you can't turn self into a walking battery that stops time forever

>>147204349
Actually, no, it's because Kevin has expressed the sentiment many, MANY fucking times on the forums and IRC.

And yes, there are broken CBMs. Individual items that are fucked. Time stop shouldn't be a thing. Nanobots should be nerfed. This could all be fixed without "Lol, limit to all ur CBMs, no cyborg for you"

>>147203280
>pack of berserking trolls and giants that could come down to destroy you at any time
>not that bad
And there's a lot of other shit he can do to you. Trog's punishments are some of the worst out there.

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>You fall in a shaft through 3 floors
>Land next to asleep sonja, manage to sneak away
>Go upstairs, next to two-headed ogre
>Manage to escape, end up in this poor man's ziggurat
>tp and blink
Jesus christ send help i don't know if i'm getting out of this alive

>>147204635
Pop a fear scroll. Maybe read another tele or blink.

>>147204558
>Trog's punishments are some of the worst out there
>reading them
Jesus H Christ! I get he's the God of Blood and Fury but how do half of his shit make sense within that perspective.

Guys
Guys hear me out on this
Could you possibly pray at every altar in Temple to gain a religion and abandon it immediately, as to get the penances of every god at the same time?

i only play roguelites

>>147204525
>This could all be fixed without "Lol, limit to all ur CBMs, no cyborg for you"
You can still be a cyborg with limits. Just a more sane cyborg and not something out of a mongolian fairy tale.

>>147204735
Maybe i should read fog before? Or is fear the better choice? I'm having fun with this, i don't want to splat to bullshit again

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I just found Maxwell's patent armor, should I save for it?

>>147204805
Most of them.
You would have to make sure to ditch the good gods for evil gods. Ru wouldn't care. You'd need enough money for G.

>>147204805
I think, but penance is based on former piety, so each one will last like 200 turns

>>147204820
Except being a Mongolian Fairy Tale cyborg is way fucking cooler than being a Mongolian Fairy Tale X-men, which you can still do, and AFAIK there are no plans to change that.

Seriously, dude. Nofunallowed.jpg is the philosophy, because it's easier to rip out whole playstyles rather than balance single items that were ill-conceived. All of this while there has been very fucking little substantial new content as far as players are concerned in fucking ages.

>>147205019
It prevents teleporting. I'd say it's not worth it. You aren't playing formicid.

>>147205019
No, maxwell is perfect for ants and questionable for everyone else

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>>147205019
Also, what should I train next keeping in mind that's my inventory.

>>147204805
Not every god, as you have to be worshipping evil to receive punishments from the good gods.

Could join lugonu at the end for flavor points, though.

>>147205049
Penance is based on XP gained, not time
>>147205185
Get more evo, trog prevents abjuration which makes box of beasts even MORE insane

>>147205185
>27 axes
>16 fighting
>More armour than dodging
Get that fighting up. Don't buy the armour. Its unofficial name is maxwell's coffin.

>>147205185
Fighting probably. Also dodging > armour. That 19.9 on armor is triggering me though, you could probably kill one or two shitters and it'd increase to 20, maybe you get an extra point of AC from it.

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ok wtf is thing doing in a lvl1 area? and how can i fuck it? its annoying as shit. should i just leave it be since its a bitch?

>>147205546
FUCK. Spoiler that shit anon. Why are you playing with tiles?

>>147203329
dad anon reporting in... yeah dont leave trog unless youre REALLY ready to. like really. and tele the fuck out when he drops the rape party in.

>>147205071
No new content? But what about the filthy clothing system?

And the dirty nail simulator.

And have you seen the new new diseases? You can now randomly get hemorrhoids.

>>147205546
It's there to teach you it's ok to run away

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>>147205546
DELETE THISSSS

>>147205663
Because I have bad eyes. fuck me right?

>>147205985
Dude, my eyes are shit too. You know you can make the ASCII pop, right? It'll look really nice and you'll be able to see everything if you mess with the lighting options.

>>147205930
>>147205663
dear autists shitting pants, fuck right off. ill play how i want. whats the fucking difference between shitty tiles and shitty text? riddle me that you quadruple-sword equipped nigger?!?!

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Help where the fuck are the atairs
i burned everything i had
i can't do this

OH JESUS

I read the pastebin and saw where it saw depths before vault 5 but I didn't give it a lot of stock. Surrounded by vault guards and a gold dragon in the corner by ass ran the fuck back up those stairs.

>>147206230
why are you fighting gastronok

>>147206230
Read fog. Probably in the center.

>>147206230
Ok no i did it i got lucky with the tp after reading the last fog
Now what the fuck do i do, the floor is just a giant room with all the stairs in the same place
>>147206338
I was fleeing, not fighting

>>147206292
Be glad that they didn't lock you right after you went downstairs. You only saw the tip of the iceberg too, that floor is a clusterfuck.

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>>147206081
ill just turn off tiles when i ask questions with pics here from now on to avoid flamers getting all burned up over fucking graphics. i know its 4chan. i know most of you hate tiles. idk why i thought it would be overlooked...

>>147206230

>scroll of fear to scare gastro away
>scroll of tele to escape while running to the left

>>147205926
Don't forget the nutrition shit.
And the vehicle flaws.

>>147206476
Use immolate scrolls if your body is ready.

>>147205185
>0 stealth
>Realize you're MeMe

>>147206649
He should switch to TSO after trog. then he should lvl his stealth.

>>147206615
>immolate V:5 meme
The ambush is probably the easiest part of V:5/
The real threat is all the fuckers sitting in the 4 supervaults. The fuckers that your immolation explosion will attract, all at once.

>>147206615
>immolation
>shatter

>Let's Ragnarok!

Always fun shit. DCSS becomes Elona for 10 seconds.

>>147206564
That really doesn't bother me that much. Nutrition is just the health system a bit expanded. And vehicle flaws is the ingame reason why some cars are broken

What annoys me, 'recipes no longer learned on reading, now you have a chance to learn them only when doing them' because... realism.

>>147206907
So 'limit cbm storage so you don't carry cbms you don't need to install with you again' and 'change recipe system so you got to keep the books around forever'

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Oh for fuck's sake
This is what happens when you run out of consumables people

>>147206759
>He should switch to TSO after trog.
That doesn't sound too bad really. I just found the entrance to hell and am planning to go the whole 15 runes.

why can't gooks crawl as good as round eye

>>147206157
It's fun to pretend to get inordinately upset over tiles and act like you're posting gore though.

>>147207148
>20 turns later
AAAAAnd there is the entrance to Pandemonium.

Crawl needs dual wielding so you can dual wield double swords.

>>147207089
ripperino

>>147207148
Good plan, but don't switch yet. Clear Depths, Vaults, Slime, maybe Elf and some Zot before you switch. You need to become stronger to deal with Trog's wrath. To quickly gain piety with TSO, just clear Crypt and you'll come out full.

>>147207296
Oh, there's the abyss too.

Is it normal for this many branches to be on depths 1?

>>147206759
>TSO
>Stealth
You know that the halo cuts your stealth in half, right? He should probably get some kind of holy longbow or something.

>>147207339
Yeah you better have your affairs in order, ass squared away and shitting tiffany cufflinks or trog will definately fuck you up

>>147207429
Yeah

>>147207465
it was a joke, he should never do a point into stealth at this point, esp is he goes TSO

>>147207089
Why are you wearing a robe anyway?

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https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/17477
WHO /MIBE/ HERE?

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>>147207694
does CDDA have tiles??

>>147207880
Yes. Decent ones too.

>>147207634
Because even leather fucked up my failrates too much

>>147204212
>people sperging over how easy DDA became after Whales left
>m-muh trench warfare
>dev team starts making shit more difficult
>people start complaining that Kevin wants to make everything suck forever
I can understand where both people are coming from, but it puts the devs in a lose-lose situation.

>>147208017
Ah, I didn't notice you were a VM. I assumed your were a gladiator or something and was confused. Why gozag on a mage? Mummies really want a boost for their casting abilities.

>>147208038
Easy? I mostly remember how broken as fuck early CDDA was.

Going near some NPC's? Game crashes, save corrupts. Everybody of the dev team knew it. Nobody bothered to set the default npcs to off.

>>147208229
Remember whales era stuff?
>27 items do a tile
>Cooking rotten meat made it into cooked meat
>bows were rail guns
>Lightning was the great destroyer, live underground or literally have no loot
>acid rain

>>147208050
Use your exec axe.

>>147208173
I wanted a mummy of gozag but melee was getting boring, so i thought i'd abuse Mu's poison immunity

>>147208229
Dicks literally made the pastebin for DDA all about how piss easy the game was.

And some anon would constantly go on about the old days of trench warfare.

>>147204820
The slot changes don't prevent using single OP cbms though. They just stop your from playing around with lots of useless BS like laser fingers or smell-o-vision

>>147208416
Try out a wizard instead. You get better tools to deal with bad situations.

>>147208376
Acid rain. That was something indeed. Ow how I miss the pain.

>>147208575
I thought MuWz was considered horrifying

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HAHAHAHAHA
this is on floor 4, vanilla Angband

>>147208530
As in real trench warfare?

Or am I missing a joke or something?

Is there anything I can inscribe on my ammo to autoselect it when firing? I thought =f would do it, but apparently not.

>>147208683
Its suffering, but also probably the most fun you can have in the early game. Everything you do is shenanigans or die. Constantly running away from stuff only to meph cloud them and poke them with spears. Fire clouds everywhere. Bad blinks and good blinks. MuWz official theme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ

>>147207694
Gross.

Now there's no hope that combat will ever go beyond "bump into zombie until it dies".

>>147208871
Do i go for a caster god or can i still make it with gozag?

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>>147209178
Is this b8?