/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

I hope the new DLC adds more stuff that give stat boosts.

Really opens up the door for low level versatility and general min-maxing

I hope the new DLC adds more connections between areas.

Really opens up the door for finishing builds before you're 90% through the game.

Cute OP.

>>147157995
You think there's ice cream in any of the Souls universes?

Continuing from last thread, what was your first time getting invaded like?

>>147158118
>play das1 several years after release
>no fucking clue what I'm doing
>you've been invaded by dark spirit so and so
>no idea what was happening
>get fucking destroyed

honestly I was just supremely confused, but they killed me right next to the bonfire in burg so it wasn't a big deal

>>147158118
In DS1 when I was trying to pin it to the Smough and Ornstein boss room. Complete terror, all I can remember asking is how and why is this person doing this to me.

>>147158118
Demons = Ostrava Cosplay in 2-2
Dark 1 = Some fag with full dusk set spamming WoG from behind a wall
Dark 2 = Flame Weapon Chaos Rapier in Wharf >mfw wet as fuck
Dark 3 = Settlement, some dumbass with farron memesword, he L1'd himself off a cliff.

How is Anri's sword now?

Did From nerf it into oblivion like they usually do or is it still fine?

>>147158118
>just beat pontiff sully
>2 people invade
>one spammed fireball
>other used fists
got my shit handed to me in a split second

>>147158118
>walking around blighttown swamp farming large shards
>the you've been invaded message pops up on my screen
>pretty nervous, hang back on one of the islands near the server drop
>watch invader run around the swamp for 10 minutes
>he starts making his way towards where i am, i start to panic
>he doesn't even see me, just walks straight past me and then black crystals out

it was terrifying

>>147158118
Demon's. I was streaming it and one of the viewers invaded me in 4-1. I actually managed to get close to winning before he parried and one-shot me.

I've hated parries in this series ever since.

>>147157276
What's the point of killing Dragon slayer so early?

>>147158452
Pre-AR at 99 fai, luck, str, dex = 561
post-AR = 575

at reqs + 40 luck it's 389 AR

>>147158524
What sadistic motherfucker invades blighttown?!

>>147158426
Actually that probably isn't right. Just terror, and the conscious awareness of the brutal fact that I was about to lose my humanity.

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>>147158452

>''fine''

>>147158118
lightning zwei in the burg at sl10

>>147158661
It was pretty late for me, but whenever I make a new character I rush lothric castle for souls to level up.

>>147158750
I don't think I would have had the capacity to begin formulating questions at the time, at least not fully and with many words.

>>147158726
>at reqs + 40 luck it's 389 AR
meanwhile S scaling butcher knife is only 400 at 40str while having way slower swingspeed and higher stam drain and weight
and from has made no attempt to buff it

>>147158778
What are you using to beat dancer early game with and I assume you normally pump vig pretty high?

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>>147158118

DeS:
>first time playing a souls game so went with safe strength build with bastard sword
>mage guy invades me using flame spray
>the battle takes place all over 2-1 starting area and into the first big area of the mines
>win my first invasion ever and fell in love with the souls multiplayer since then

I actually didn't even know DeS had multiplayer until that happened. It was extremely new and exciting to me at the time.

DaS1:
>first invasions happened on the roof of Anor Londo cathedral against a guy with gold-hemmed and a lightning washing pole with pyromancy
>i was a quality build using the lightning spear of course with no magic or pyromancy
>lost pretty badly

DaS2:
>no idea why but it took all the fucking way to the part where i was collecting giant souls from the memories in the forest of giants before i got invaded my first time
>i was powerstancing manslayers with high dex at that point
>slaughtered them and never got invaded again outside of dueling areas

DaS3:
>in crucifixion woods
>invaded by a madman and some watchpups
>watchdog and lycanthrope are chasing me
>mound-maker sitting on the side trying to throw shit at us
>end up falling down a huge ladder after two npcs a lycan, a watchdogger and madman chased me around for a bit

BB:
>Invaded once after Micolash
>both using ludwigs babbysword doing sick mixups going into 1 and 2 handed mode
>kill each other

my experiences were varying. DeS and DaS3 being the better of the bunch.

>>147158742
i don't know, but the fact that the dude was in the full gold hemmed black set and wielding the fucking great scythe only make it worse

Does the leo ring and hornet ring stack?

>>147159074
you can put them on at the same time, but they do different things. hornet ring increases crit damage, leo ring increases damage with thrust counter hits

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>>147159074
do you know what a counter is?

Hey lads, just checking in. Did they make blessed infusion decent yet? Or is faith still mediocre?

>>147159192
God fucking dammit I thought it mean parrying.

>>147158118
>Go into Depths
>just finish off 2nd butcher
>invaded by some wanderer wearing schmuck with a Falchion
>extremely nice back and forth
>I win eventually because this is my first time playing souls, so i healed like a bitch

Shame that every invasion after that was a naked flippy mom mask wearing faggot with a +5 lightning uchi

>>147159005
Dark Hand now. Used katana man glitch before. Still very easy if you know what you're doing
Yes, I usually get around 22 Vig before fighting her, more if possible.

>start game, sovereignless soul
>kill lizard for 4k souls
>pick titanite
>gundyr for 3k
>jump atop firelink for ring
>katanaman for 2200 with ring
>use all souls to level up
>rush high wall for other 5 titanites
>kill vordt and free greirat
>talk to yoel
>port to shrine, level up but save 12k souls
>talk to yoel again in shrine and get a level
>kill self twice and get a level
>port to settlement, kill self 8 times
>port to shrine, get remaining levels
>reload game, use souls to buy dark hand
>go kill dancer

is my route.

>>147159218
Blessed is still useless and Faith is still easily the weakest school of magic by itself in pvp.

>>147158118
Some twink faggot that I couldn't hurt and he killed me in like 2 or 3 hits with likely a qualaggs while I was in the burg.

>>147159356
why port to settlement to kill yourself instead of staying at the shrine
I'm not that guy but dark hand is actually a cool idea for dancer that I never thought of

>>147159356
>jump atop firelink for ring
Is the silver serpent ring really worth 20k souls? There isn't much to kill that will pay back the much.

Anyone need help with anything? I need embers badly but too high of a SL to be summoned normally.

PC only.

>>147159506
Because it's actually faster, you're 3 feet away from a cliff and can just hold forward to suicide.

>>147159550
You use the jump shortcut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPEZZtn5fTg

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>>147159607

I had no idea

>>147158772
I heard it's broken as hell at SL80 but I guess it's not so bad after that.

>>147159356
...dark hand is a weapon?

>Game is filled with DS1 references.
>Welcome returns, but not Well! What is it!

It isn't the same.

>>147159737
Yes. 80/0/0/0/150.

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>was hoping this would be a decently big balance patch like the last one that shook up things a good bit
>hornet ring virtually unchanged
>extremely minimal damage increase for new faith scaling weapons and a net loss for morne's at min requirements
>washing pole and carthus curved sword unchanged

>>147158118
>DaS1
Hacker invaded me beneath the drake bridge as I was making my way towards Parish for the first time. He let me hit him a couple times to show that he was invincible, and then sent my save file into the abyss droploop and I had to restart. I never went human pre-sen's again.

>DaS2
Was never invaded until I had invaded over a hundred times myself and become a wretch
It was a megamuled blue on PS3 that stacked buffs and used a CMW MLGS. I parried his running attack and the phantom crit bug caused my riposte to do over 3k damage and instantkill him. I swapped to the pc version when it came out and never had to deal with max level megamule shitters again.

>DaS3
Invaded in Undead Settlement by a guy with a fire longsword that did no damage. I poked him to death with a bandit's knife because it was dealing more damage per hit, and I could just walk into him and keep trading.

>BB
I didn't summon, so I wasn't invaded until Nightmare Frontier. It was some incredibly laggy guy with a japanese name and a saw spear that kept mashing R1 at me. I chugged like 10 vials dealing with laggy phantom range bullshit and then gunspammed him with a blunderbuss. I eventually landed a parry completely randomly and the visceral killed him because he only had 500-something HP.

Overall, DaS3 has been my best experience with being invaded so far. I've been invaded more than all the other games combined, never encountered a character who was clearly, significantly more powerful than I could have possibly been at that stage in the game, never encountered a hacker, mule or any other such shittery as a host, and generally had low enough latency for invasions to result in proper fights and not just mindless "nothing is synced so I'll just blindly mash a button until things work out" like BB. I've even started using the finger to get invaded more during playthroughs and it's always a good time. Fingered 2v2s with a blue bud makes even shitty areas like Smouldering Lake fun.

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>>147158118
>only played Dark Souls
>first playthrough, decided to honor the memes and do a giantdad run
>2handa, GIANTS, FaP, Havel, Father Mask
>spend most of the game hollowed because lmao first playthrough I only have so much hoomanaties and die every three meters
>get invaded in Anor Londo while waiting for co-op signs in front of The Super Londo Bros. boss fight arena
>cheat watchdog tells me he's signed as lvl90 but has stats of lvl600
>kick him
Two hours later
>get invaded in Anor Londo while waiting for co-op signs in front of the tranny king boss fight arena
>the dude actually bows to me (from a huge distance away) so I do it too
>little did he know I already had 66 END
>rollstab him to death
>mfw
Yes. YES.
>invasion immediately after that
>invisible enemy with nothing but a shimmer of stamina regeneration hovering in the air
>parries my first swing for all my HP
Alright, I regret my hubris.

>>147159550
No you literally jump off that knotted tree on the right side outside of firelink. Once you see how to do the jump, it's really consistent.

>>147159737
it works as a fist weapon main hand and as a bad shield/succ simulator in the offhand

>>147159801
Well! What is it! is too psychologically OP to be in the game, so they """""adjusted"""""" it out of existence.

>>147159737
Put it in your right hand and start punching people with dark damage

>>147159824
Even worse
>hornet ring buffed
Do they even know what they're doing anymore?

>>147158118
I started a pyromancer and I was at the bridge wyvern, it was not here though don't know why
And I see a guy full on skeleton armor, I was very low level, with shit weapon and pyromancy
And I see this guy hitting the air and then I died
Truly a horrific experience

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>>147159912
Oh boy

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Post fashion

>>147159824
>9AR darksword damage nerf
>still huge range
>still fast as fuck
>still uses fuckall stam

i'm at a loss for words
i mean, it costs them money to patch on consoles right?
why even bother

>>147158118
>DS
Giantdad Twink in parish

>DS2
Had a red invade me in copse, we had a nice back and forth until he fell off a cliff

>DS2; Scholary Boogaloo
Had a guy invade me in heides who behaved like he had just started the game, killed him, and moved on. Pretty boring for a first

>DS3
Uchi user in Settlement, spammed the WA swipe. Small leather shield was MvP here.

>>147158118
First ever was a twink in Undead Parish. I tried to act tough with gestures, then he just oneshotted me with chaos pyros. Can't remember what it was in DS2, but DS3 was some dickhead mage in Cathedral of the Deep that refused to come fight me at the bonfire. He spammed me to death with Flashsword.

>>147159958
Time to go max hp/def mode and spam that parry button

>>147160094
That's what really baffles me
What was the point of this patch?
Nobody is happy with it
Nothing was fixed or changed in a meaningful way outside of the GS of Judgement being massively overbuffed
Nothing important or meaningful was fixed or addressed

Who looked at this patch and said "yes, this is worth corporate payroll to produce, QA, and launch"?

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>>147160045

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>>147160045

What exactly does rating people messages "poor" do?

>>147159912
I don't even get why. Point down and Hey! are the ones that make me salty if the opponent did some bullshit but Well, what is it? always looked funny and cool at the same time.

>invader makes me fall
>goes to nearby ledge
>Well, what is it?
>falls to his death as well

>>147159958
how was it buffed?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN7hwp6iY2M

>>147160551
When someone views the message and it lists "ratings," a "poor" will subtract 1 from that count, while a fine adds 1 and heals the author of the message

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>>147160045

>>147160412
The invader starter kit.
>27 vig
>off hand autoparry
>giant weapon for massive ripostes
>hornet
I bet you have a longsword on your second slot.

>>147160641
reported for linking scottjund

>>147160641
At least he has a sense of humour.

Has 1.09 update already gone live?

>>147158118
>some guy with a chicken leg head poisons me with a club

>>147160641
>still has card captors equipped
at least he surrendered himself to the metashittery and is not giving excuses like "I WAS USING IT FIRST GUYS"

>>147160681
i bet you're part of that group of 4

>>147160641
Non-faggot link

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AEMc-XdW6v8

>>147160670
Is Hodrick the most powerful character in Souls?

>>147158118
I don't even remember what I ate for dinner last night and you want me to try and remember my first pvp experience over 7 years ago?

>>147160353
I'm happy with my pyro and mage. GoJ is awesome

>>147160839
Never summoned for a dark souls game ever.

>>147160412
Not sure if perspective, but is the lock-on range that big?

>>147160914
It's still a primarily physical weapon, m8.
And, it's still stronger on a quality build with minimum int than anything else.

What lvl to invade cathedral? Fextra suggests new players are 40 with +3-4. As invader go 35 and +4?

>>147161059
Yeah, 30-40 with a +3 or +4 weapon works in my experience.

>>147161059
+4 will invade down to +2, which is good because nobody is still running around with +1 that deep into the game.
30 is probably the best to find activity, as you'll invade up to 40. That early in the game, you effectively have no downward invasion range, so 35 can't invade 30s. As a result, you tend to want to aim at the lower end of the level spectrum and just use gear to make up the difference

Be sure to twink out properly because Cathedral is a very popular co-op spot and most targets will have at least 2 phantoms and WoB.

Guys, I'm obsessed with the hunt for the moonlight. What do I do?

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>>147161378
GET OUT IT'S MINE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Into NG+2 I go. So close to The Dark Soul.

>>147161378
Have you checked by your side?

>>147161451
Back off faggot.

Ludwig is the true wielder of moonlight

>>147160857
Ooooh, the music is nice and everything.

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>its an e-cleb duel episode.

>>147161765
are you going to post this every thread?
Are you that proud you encountered this?

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so how was skellymans holy sword buffed?

still seems pretty shitty imo.

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>tfw From keep buffing pyromancy more and more every patch

A good day to be a fire slinger /dsg/

>>147161556
Oh hey. Thanks anon that really helped.

>>147161451
NEIGH

>>147161926
Still bad nice C faith scaling sorry

>>147161862
yes and yes

this and my 2KATLMAO webms eveyday till you go mad and kill your self.

>>147161451
Oceiros is pretty damn good.
Everything about Lothric Kingdom is really good.

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>>147161926

>>147161938
>that pitiful damage
>that startup
>that fp and stamina consumption
wow

>>147162130
Not a pyromancer, but I can see its use in some applications. The mad tracking really makes it appealing.

>>147162130
>wahhhh it doesnt one shot them
stfu

>>147162130
That was on my sl 80 meme pyromancy no bully ty

>>147162225
there's nothing good about it
>>147162236
It's shit, deal with it
>>147162260
>sl80 pyro
post stats i want to laugh

>>147161926
Dex scaling was killed completely, it's no longer a dex-leaning weapon.
Strength scaling was upped a bit, basically all the lost dex scaling went to str instead
Faith scaling added comparable to the strength scaling.
At 40str/40fth it's now up north of 500AR, putting it alongside a refined claymore on a quality build.

It's not quite a faith MLGS, but it outclasses any lightning-infused greatsword and gives str/faith yet another weapon option that isn't completely buff-dependent.

Perhaps most importantly, the WA now does real damage thanks to the overall AR increase. There's now literally no point to the WoG spell as Wolnir's WA does comparable damage, faster and for less FP.

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>>147159958
>Getting parried

>>147161272
Super useful. Think I'll stick with CCS and Astora in the back pocket. Rely on cat ring etc. Don't know if I could get a great bow in for arch shenanigans

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Does anyone have the actual patch notes?
As in, that actually say what was changed to what?

I'd like to see what faith scaling was actually added to Morne's, what int scaling was added to Crescent Moon, etc.

>>147162551
check reddit

Can you even kill the nameless king as a faith build?

>>147162413
Wait? Is the WA speed was buffed too? Last I checked there was no point to it if you could use Morne's which was just faster.

I think they killed offhand estoc and ccs. They seem to have the same attack speed and stamina usage now

>>147162639
I assume with some sort of physical weapon you can, yes. I don't think any build is supposed to be running around without some sort of physical back up, even if its their off hand. Especially not Faith which has always sort of felt like a supplement for warriors.

>>147162639
i did
SL60
dortheys gnawing

>>147162697
They sped it up and increased the range a little bit ago. It's not as good as Morne's, but still requires much less investment.

The problem before this patch was that the weapon had straightsword AR, so the WA fucking tickled if you landed it. Now it does proper damage

>>147161059
SL30/+4

Best invasions for what it's worth, you're going to be going up against a bunch of phantoms though, so twink yourself out proper.

It's one of the best "maps" for invading though, you can really abuse it and choose your engagements, plus plunging attacks for days.

>>147162846
Thanks i will try that then

What's the highest stability possible with a simple greatshield? 67 on the Cathedral knight?

Is it better to just stick to a regular shield and lose out on the FP?

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for terrorizing in untended graves. r8

So Wolnir's and Lothric's Sword are worth it?

Does Faith finally have some weapons?

>>147162639
ASS, mate
Or any faith-scaling physical weapon, now that we have a tonne.

You can even rub bleedbutter onto your sword and pair it with gnaw to bleed him out.

>>147162916
Wolnir's is. Lothric's is not.

>>147162639
you can avoid slow rise into slam by just walking towards him
if you do that, he will land right behing you and you have enough time to cast WotG

>>147162916
nope
still complete fucking garbage because only refined allowde

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Is this game good yet?

>>147163131
>Caestus offhand
Totally deserved that lagstab.

>>147162639

Quite easily.

Use Lightning on the Stormdrake as it melts to it. Have Tears of Denial at every point you can.

In second Phase, grab RAW ASS and chuck Darkmoon Blade on it, or more likely you can just resort to Charcoal or Flame Arc.

Optional: Lothric Knight's Shield. If you manage stamina properly you should find it easy to keep hitting him without getting hit back, just know when to dodge or block. Having Replenishment or Soothing Sunlight will mitigate the chip damage.

In terms of winning a battle of attrition Faith builds can do just fine, just resign yourself to some good old fashioned sword and board.

>>147163131
DarkSouls3MeetsDarkSouls.webm

reminder that THIS is the game everyone truly wants to play.

So Crescent Moon sword scaled with int now? Is it possible for dex/int hybrid build now? I feel like spells at 40 int would do shit damage but if the moon sword does decent damage I might consider it

>>147163131
Jesus Christ

>>147163072

For PvP that's always the case, it doesn't need to be mentioned.

I mean in the context of Faith builds, where Dragonslayer Axe is literally the only real faith scaling weapon you can get early/don't require huge stat investment for.

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>>147162916
Lothic's got E fth scaling at +5
It still struggles to break 300AR and is the worst-in-class straightsword.
Wolnir's got a significant buff and is now up alongside Wolf Knight GS and Hollowslayer in terms of AR

Wolnir's sword still has the problem of the shitty broadsword moveset and reach as bad as the Drakeblood GS, but at least it does damage and has a usable WA now.

>dark souls 2
>using soul great sword with tons of int and the staff of wisdom could deal over a thousand damage and clear an entire room in one hit
>Dark Souls 3
>soul great sword does no damage
>farron flash sword could be replaced with a basic weapon
>life hunt scythe does jack shit for damage
>as does dark blade
>most other spells and sorceries suck
>at this point the only magic worth casting is pyromancy

Fucking welp.

What's the better spell to buff my sword with on a high int/faith build?

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Finally beat that faggot Champion Gundyr and without taking any damage. Thank you Small Leather Shield.

>>147158118
Bloodborne (I know, I know) in the Nightmare Frontier. The invader attacked me at the same time I reached the npc hunters, and it was really back and forth for a while until I killed one npc and fell into the sludge river below.

He followed me down, and I beat him with the skin of my teeth surrounded by giant slugs. I died soon after from poison, but I didn't even care

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Quick! Name me a few fun Dark infused weapons!

>>147163467
>the only magic worth casting is pyromancy

why does everyone keep spewing this awful meme? especially in relation to PvE? I'm 99/99 fai/int and sorcery does W A Y more damage than pyro, simply because it has several more damage boosters than firetossers or lightningchuckers

>>147163445
8/10 knight

>>147163607
Dark dark sword
Dark darkdraft

>some legs with Dancer's chest make your hips even wider
Wew

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>>147160045
Are you me?

>>147163473
>beat him
No, you cheesed him. Git gud and play like a man.

>>147163381
You know crystal sage rapier was a thing before.

>>147163607
>not leveling up vit for 30% pyrorolls
why not 125SL?

>>147158118
Scrapping Spear

>>147163697
>Are you me?
Maybe.

>>147163782
The D scaling in dex doesn't really make it worth it to level dex rather than int.

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>>147163789
What the fuck are you smoking?

>>147163752
Not him, but how is parrying cheesing? I parried him like 3 times when I beat him and it wasn't even part of the plan

>>147163467
CMW, Darkmoon Blade and Lightning Blade are all tied for the strongest buffs. They all have the exact same modifiers and the only difference is damage type.

Dark Blade is inexplicably worse than all the rest and, contrary to the game's own logic, does not scale with int or benefit from dark-based casting tools. It is, in every way, simply a downgrade to DMB/LB that deals dark damage.

Flame Arc is only slightly stronger than great magic weapon overall, but is the only buff that scales with both int and fth. It has the longest duration at base 90s. At base requirements, it adds the same damage as a charcoal resin.

Blessed Weapon is a flat +7.5% physical damage, has the lowest requirements at 15fth and adds hp regen that scales with your faith. However, it also has the shortest duration at 45s. Since it gives the full damage benefit without a faith investment, it's the most stat-efficient buff, but its actual damage added only barely beats out a resin on mid-sized weapons.

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Is dex/int a thing?
Can I make it a thing?

>>147163647

It's a meme from when people still underrated Sorcery. When people realised that you can still PvP at SL50 and can just stack +damage items, and when Chaos Fireball was nerfed, Sorcery ended up being much more preferable.

Even now I prefer my faith build to Pyros because I learnt that if you just give in and commit to using Sunlight Talisman for everything (and with recent cast time buffs) then it's actually pretty solid fun. Infinite HA > A bit more damage.

Pyro also demands way more stats for what it does and you're stuck messing around with catalysts and rings if you want to use Dark as well.

The truth is they all have their own merits, even Faith which simply suffers from having the least you can do in terms of unique tricks.

>>147163473
there's a very easy to learn way to beat him without parrying at all. i can find a video, if you ever want to do it

>>147163928
Fuck. RoFP +2?

>>147164017
It's literally the exact same as DaS1.
Pick a buffable weapon that scales well with dex
Slap CMW onto it
Voila, dex/int.

Works well with twinblades, katanas and thrusting swords.

has anyone else run into cheaters today? I've run into 2-3 people that were obviously using iframe hacks.

>finally 100% DaS3
Now what?

>>147164017

You never need more dex than 20 on any caster build and all the strong dex weapons can't be buffed so unless Leonhard's weapon is going to shatter the meta, I doubt it. Darkmoon Bow is also basically trash.

A caster build with dex investment for Tinder and CSR is pretty nice, though. It's fun, if nothing else.

>>147163903
Me too.

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>>147163467
Try this. It's fun.
Though some enemies are actually hard scripted to run into you even if they don't see you. What a hack.
>>147163647
Well. if you're overleveled to crap, maybe.
>Have to wear a shitton of gear to do good damage with spells.
>Can't be omnimancer
This is some bullcrap.
>>147163969
>Dark Blade is inexplicably worse than all the rest and, contrary to the game's own logic, does not scale with int or benefit from dark-based casting tools. It is, in every way, simply a downgrade to DMB/LB that deals dark damage.
A team can't into numbers.

>>147162901
You can invade there?

>>147164181
Yes on PC.
I, along with 2 other invaders, was summoned and couldn't attack the host. He was able to hit us but nothing could damage him.
Black crystal'd out.

>>147164053
Everything works in pve but sorc and pryo are dog shite in pvp you just end up playing a gimped refined build because it's the only thing that works consistently.

Best build for the Lothric Knight Sword? Quality or dex?

>>147164017
Saves you a ring slot.
That's it.
Ring slots are important though, so you can make it work.

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>>147164148
Nah nigga, with the AGS nerf Gargoyle Spear is now my main weapon.

>>147160857
>>147161709

Bruh what's that song

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>thought the patch would finally make my crescent moon sword viable for my Leonhard cosplay
>D scaling at +2
>no higher than C and no base damage buff
Fuck off From

>>147164429
>AGS nerf
What happened?

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show me your power level, /dsg/

>>147164247
I've also been 60/60 Int/fai and it is objectively better than pyro.

Sorc. needs a lot of intelligence investment but 60 int is less of an investment than 40 Int and 40 Fai.

The only reason that I'm 99/99 Int/Fai is to test out chaos infusion, going to switch back to all softcaps afterwards

>>147164490
Roll R1 isn't a thrust attack anymore, they fixed it.

>>147164490
Rolling R1 with thrust is fixed and parryable

>>147164429
please stop using my weaponfu

>>147164261
yes i do it all the time but my current level is too high and don't got the rings

>>147164586
>>147164593
Did this just happen with this patch or was this a change I missed from a previous patch?

Anyone tested Divine Pillars yet?

>>147164429
I hate speed cast scaling from dex. They should remove this shit from game. Give me 2 free rings slots

>>147164742
You got a character near deacons? I can test it out for you lad

>>147164742
still shit in pvp till they increase cast time and add tracking.

>>147164835

Nah sorry, I can't. Would've already tested it myself if I could.

So, how's the shield piercing now?

>>147164724
just happened

>>147164996
worthless still

>>147164883
That's the same for pretty every other spell n the game.

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>NPC knights have a miracle that creates little time bombs everytime they attack
>not available to the player

FUCK YOU FROM
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeee

So some guy is dropping stuff in a world invaded like ?Weapon Name? and ?ProtectorName?. Is that bad if I hold on to it? its DaS

>>147165108
It's in-game.

Use Blessed Weapon with perseverance active.

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>>147164163
>>147164208
>>147164417
I just wanna do a Leonhard build man
And his weapon scales a lot more off dex than int

So I was figuring mostly just a dex build with a few spells for backup

>>147165108
farmed that mace specifically because I thought it had that as a the WA

>Cleared Irithyll dungeon in one go
Feels good man. I do still need to rescue Karla and Siegward, but this is nothing

>>147165268
see
>>147164460

>>147164809
They should at least give cast speed a numeric value on your stats screen, but again
>taking steps back from DS2

>oneshot Seath the Scaleless
>oneshot Graywolf Sif
>oneshot The Four Kings
Man, the game really is a joke after Ornstien.
What a damn shame.

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>Some people are actually saying this is op

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>>147165507

>oneshot

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Don't forget about new bug. You can still 1 shot people. ~7% less damage in PVP than picrelated because of clutch ring

>>147165259
Why do you lie

>>147161765
who even is this

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>>147164809
Bloodborne's casting system was so easier and more powerful, i can't understand why the fuck they went back to atrocious catalysts and cast speed being tied to something.
>tfw only pyromancy is somewhat close to BB arcane

>>147165591
You don't even need to upgrade it, right?

>>147161765
>uhh i'm using a BAD weapon how dare he use throwing knives what a tryhard loll memes

>>147165576
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRQ3Z1wbzpA

>>147165259
you got me.

>>147165591

Last time I checked using the WA only barely buffed more than a Sorceror's Candlestick did, did that change?

I mean obviously since the nerf to Candlestick, a Crystal Sage Staff offhand is now way better in terms of damage, but not THAT much better I thought.

>>147161765
Does he invade or RSS?

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>>147165726
>wastes all those bullets on those shit-damage arcane tools

>>147165590
You know what I mean.
One try.

>>147160757
ye

Can you beat the final boss in DaS without getting tossed into NG+ or do I have to hold off

>tfw poor neet and cant afford bloodborne

literally the only souls game i havent played yet. sigh

>>147165986
RSS. He said invasions are shit because ganks. Done a few invasions when the game was released but never anymore. Which is a shame because his invasion videos are pretty good.

>>147166124
They send you away asap so hold off

>>147166124
You get to choose when

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>>147166037
it was before patch literally doubled their damage and allowed to parry with augur

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>>147163473
Awww now I'm stuck at Nameless King

>>147166049

No I didn't, since there are bosses you can actually one-shot with Dark Bead shenanigans.

>>147165804
I think yes. I have +4 but In theory it doesn't matter
>>147165959
You don't use Crystal for cast. You use Court. It's bug. Crystal for WA

>>147158118
>noobie in anal rodeo
>just killed titty demon
>invaded by dark spirit HUGE FAGGOT
>oneshots me with anal bead
meh

>>147165726
>wastes a million bullets to not even kill
>down to 7 and only scored a kill because opponent stupidity is viable as fuck

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How's this look for a pure-casting omnimage? Doable?

Lightning spear is supposed to be stake, but they haven;t updated to reflect the decrease in slot-use yet

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>>147166230

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>>147158118
Demon's Souls. A Guy in full Doran's and a Dragon Bone Smasher in one hand, when I was farming souls in 4-2 so I could use mine in one. I had 20 Strength at the time, and the DBS was +0. I watched him run down the hallway from around the corner, and thought I could use a Shard of Archstone to return to the Nexus, but I thought "No, this is it. I'm going to fight him." I peeked around the corner and there he was, looking off the ledge. If plunging attacks were a thing, I would have got him right there. But no, he rolled away, and we danced with Dragon Bone Smashers. We sent each other reeling, we both grassed, we smashed, and I really fucking enjoyed it. I won by sending him flying off the ledge.

At the time, I didn't know that falling to your death during an invasion subtracted a Soul Level, but now I do, and every time I remember that fact and that fight, I feel like I won it again.

There might have been another time I don't remember. That was the first I remember. Glad it is.

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>>147165591

>holding staves in your right hand under any circumstance ever

>want to make a Winged Knight Halberd build
>40/16 (base dex)
>Heavy only has 1 (ONE) more AR than Refined
Wew fuckin laddie

>>147166347
>125

>>147165959
Weapon Art buffs work for right hand too. Crystal Sage staff gives a healthy 40% damage buff on spells.

>>147166407
filthy spellsword faggot

>>147166220
are you a cute boy

>>147166407
>holding catalysts in the right hand makes them do a bonk on R2 instead of their WA
Why not just cut out the middleman

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>>147166446
You're going 40/40 and you're gonna like it

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>>147166516
The cutest.

>>147166690
post id

>>147166516
Nope! I'm a faggot just like the rest of you!

>>147166565
>Archdeacon greatstaff has like 360 physical AR just for the R2 bonk
>still does sub-100 damage because the bonk has abysmal modifiers
What's even the point? Why even give staves different AR values if it makes no fucking difference?

>>147166446
Why not make the bonking good?
Or make an attempt to make them good, like the Manus Catalyst?
I miss DaS1 Black Magic

>>147166460
>melee softcap at 40
>all casters soft cap at 60
>still need attunement
>god forbid you want any health or endurance
>split casters particularly fucked
Fuck your gay meta I'm going to 200
99 ATT bb

One last question, then I'll quit being a newfag
Can you PVP right after you start NG+ or do you need to get to anor londo again

>>147166745
Muscle wizards are a meme

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>>147166745
>>147166724
Bonking is great, it breaks poise from full havels set with just a single R2!

>>147158118
First time was in undead settlement. The guy showed up and when i almost killed him he started to run towards a cliff. Instead of falling off he just started running on air and then chugged to full hp. i died

>>147166853
Melee softcaps at 40, and then at 60
Casters softcap at 40, and then at 60.
Casters all just tend to be the autistic sort that refuse to settle for anything less than absolute maximum damage because what are tradeoffs? What is viability?

>>147166347

I don't recommend Lightning Stake or Lifehunt Scythe on a caster, you're better off sticking to quick stuff like Flashsword or usual projectiles.

Leave the melee miracles to faith builds since they can use Canvas or Sunlight Talisman which make those abilities actually useful. Alternatively use those yourself and catch people out who get too close, talismans don't exactly weigh anything so you can afford to put them in your offhand.

I would replace Stake with just a regular Great Lightning Spear, it still does respectable damage up close. Boulder Toss also isn't that awful now if you want to go full master of the elements.

Great Soul Arrow (yes the bog standard upgraded soul arrow) is also surprisingly decent in terms of cast speed and damage. Gnawing is also really nice so i would consider that over say, the Fire Snake.

Omnicaster sounds pretty fun, though at SL125 I can seeing it being more fun than useful.

Do people still do boss summons for DkS1?
I don't have enough DPS to deal with the Four Kings, always have to fight at least 2 at once, if not three.

>>147167019
git gud

>>147166937
Is this ironic or do you actually think staggering a havel is impressive.

DLC speculations?

I'm hoping we'll get to do something Pontiff/Aldritch related. Maybe go back in time and prevent Gwyndolin from getting sludge raped or fight Aldritch before he went all Sludgy.

>>147166962
>Casters all just tend to be the autistic
Post your caster damage with 40-50 int for keks

>Lorian takes 700+ damage from a chaos fire orb
>Lothric takes 200

Oh boy. Now what do I do.

>>147167052
"Gitting gud" for the Four Kings is just having the damage to wreak one before the others spawn, literally the only weapon I have is a +10 claymore and enough stamina to swing it maybe 4-5 times.

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>shield piercing weapons are doing like 30 damage through shields on r1
>meanwhile dark damage does this against good shields

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Uh oh, Sirris is pissed! What do I do now?

>>147167173
Acquire proficiency.

>>147167070
You tell me.
>>147167237
Charged R1 on her back.

>>147167221
So, how about dark shield piercing weapons?

>>147166347
>Lifehunt Scythe
Why though?

>>147167237
I bet you respecced

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>>147166853
>i NEED to hit all the softcaps

and this is why 120 is a meme

all strengths, no weaknesses.

>>147167237
Kill the girl.

>>147167324
don't have a slab to test a dark carthus shotel, will do in a few days

>>147167237
Let her go!

>>147167173
can't you just do it later?
get +15 or Pyromancies
Fire Surge is very good for them if i remember right

>>147166990
The sunless talisman is there for HA casting if needed, that applies to both lifehunt and stake, though because of stake's massive AoE and lingering hitbox, it can be cast preemptively with the crystal chime to catch roll-ins.

I've played around with Boulder Heave, and sadly it's shit because the airborne hitbox is rail thin and it can be reliably avoided by strafing to either side, interrupted due to its range being equal to a straightsword R1, or rolled through and punished because its stamina cost and recovery are surprisingly big.
All soul arrow variants also share the issue of being strafeable, since their tracking is ass and casting is slow and telegraphed. They're basically just FP-wasters

Gnawing is kinda slow to cast for its damage and without anything to capitalize on the bleed buildup, doesn't seem worth the slot. Nobody's going to fall for a long-windup ranged projectile spell like that.

Black Snake is for setups. It recovers so fast that you can punish people who roll in through it with lightning stake, GCFO or flashsword, and if they respect it, you have space to recast affinity safely.

>>147167336
And you've just lost a bet

>>147167408
I have 8 Attunement, Faith, and Inteligence

>>147167237
Proper Bow at her for maximum disrespect.

>>147166962
>literally all spells can't hit for shit
>he thinks settling for less damage while this is the case is in any way acceptable
ok so wait what if
what if stamina didn't regenerate
every melee attack had a ridiculous telegraph
and they hit for half the damage they currently do
S O U N D S
F U N

>>147167371
I'm not happy in any of these games unless my character is capable of using everything there is.

>>147167494
4kings can be done without DPS racing, most of the time the other kings will just float around far away from you, they aren't aggressively aggro'd at all.

>>147167494
Get 10 attunement and power within. It adds +40% damage to your claymore and makes bursting the kings down easier.

>>147166853
I have a hexer with 40/40 int/faith and still have plenty of HP and enough stamina.

>>147167486
Damn, strengthened covenant with Rosaria then?

>>147167221
>use dark against a shield explicitly weak to dark
>wow guys, look how much better dark always is aren't I so great

>>147167542
>every melee attack had a ridiculous telegraph
They already do, that's why you can roll through most of them on reaction. The only exception is buffered Katana Running R1.

Is there any reason to play with 30% encumber roll?

>>147167659
Combined with bloodring it makes you immune to straightsword and curved sword rollcatching.

>>147167598
Yes. I've killed Hodrick with Sirris and thought that it's the end of her questline, so I decided to do Leonhard's quest and she got angry

>>147167659
Easier to deal with auto roll catching weapons like Card Captor.

>>147167659
avoiding roll catches

So I bought ds2 on the steamsales but to my surprise it's plagued by the same shitty left stick problem the ps3 version had. If you walk in a direction and want to adjust where you're going by a small amount, say 5 degrees left, there is no response until you do something like a 30degree adjustment. It's so annoying and unresponsive, and I don't understand why it's even in there.

Is there a mod that fixed this?

>>147167659
Aside from shitty dragonbuilds, no.

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>>147167659
Is there any reason to play at all?

>>147167741
Despite swearing her eternal loyalty to you, she'll still turn on you as long as she's alive.
She kills herself after gaybros, at which point you can do rosaria stuff without penalty.

It's silly.

>>147167572
Thanks man, I can try that

>>147167741
Her questline doesnt end until after Lothric/Lorian iirc, giving any tongues to rosaria for any reason before getting Sirrus's armor will make her hostile

>>147167741
You have to wait until she's dead, i.e. After gaybros.

>>147167312
>Charged R1
m8

what do I need to do for patches to come to firelink after I've talked to him in the cathedral?

>>147167767
i didn't have any issues with the ds2 sotfs version, why would you buy plain ds2?

>tfw cant find a shield or weapon that matches my sorc tank aesthetic

>>147166745

My Manus catalyst str mage from Ds1 is quite possibly one of my favorite builds of all time. No one expected to get smashed for 300 damage after rolling through all my dark magic.

>>147165576
>he didn't play pre-patch DaS

>>147166854
you can put your sign down or use soapstones to invade

>>147167896
Kiss him. Gently

>>147167929
Neither can we if you don't post him.

>>147167767
look for the deadzone fix, but I've heard it could get you softbanned
nice game, hmm?

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>>147167787
Is there any reason to do anything ever?

>>147167641
BK shield is weaker to lighting than dark
And there's no good shield that has a somewhat good dark resistance aside from some of the greatshields against which you will still do more chip damage than shield-piercing weapons.

>>147167978
I hate bald people

>>147168030
Crest Shield is fine.

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>>147167981

>>147167850
>>147167867
>>147167886
Well, gaybros are pretty far away, though I wonder if she still is going to kick the bucket now that she's after me

>Pontiff sword takes 10 Int
>Pontiff Scythe takes 12 Faith
?????

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>>147168025
>>147167787

wow... rly makes u think...

>>147168259
i hate everything

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ZA

WARUDO

1.08 to 1.09 scaling comparisons

Wolnir's Holy Sword
21% STR, 45% DEX

>Wolnir's Holy Sword
>37% STR, 10% DEX, 37% FAI

Lothric Holy Sword
36% STR, 45% DEX

>Lothric Holy Sword
>33% STR, 45% DEX, 13% FAI

Morne's Great Hammer
62% STR

>Morne's Great Hammer
>47% STR, 22% FAI

Heysel Pick
31% STR, 10% DEX, 71% INT

>Heysel Pick
>31% STR, 10% DEX, 86% INT

Greatsword of Judgment
36% STR, 35% DEX, 46% INT

>Greatsword of Judgment
>36% STR, 35% DEX, 56% INT

Anri's Straight Sword
21% STR, 20% DEX, 11% FAI, unknown luck

>Anri's Straight Sword
>15% STR, 14% DEX, 8% FAI, unknown luck

Crescent Moon Sword
6% STR, 79% DEX

>Crescent Moon Sword
>0% STR, 55% DEX, 31% INT

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>>147168439
Fucking kek, too bad they're pointing to the wrong direction, otherwise it'd be perfect.

>>147166892
You're a fucking meme
I wanted physical magic back. I loved blasting through GMB, demolishing someone's guard, and then pounding them with a greathammer. I wanted other catalysts to have physical scaling so I could perhaps use spells more than four times.

>>147167941
I'm really annoyed that they never went on with that concept of a build. It was cooler than the current hexer ideas.

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>>147168439
WWRYYY

>>147168136
It has a pathetic stability for medium shield compared to BK. Don't think i ever saw it in pvp.

>tfw have to beat the game twice with my new character just to use the weapon I want

God damn I just want to be the old king

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>>147167659
i try to use it on all my builds

imo eveything about it, the increased speed, distance, extra iframe is all more worth it that wearing heavy armor.

plus you get to use flynns for a damage buff.

>>147168539
I was actually tossing them at the hanging body with the pale tongue near the giant-ass flame demon

I didn't notice how they were getting stuck on air until after I'd already knocked it down unfortunately and I don't think I could get them stuck anywhere else
I think the big wooden post thing's hitbox is fucked up and that's what they got caught on

So since iframes are tied to ADP in 2, is there any drawback to being between 70-99% apart from stamina rate?

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>>147158118
>You have been invaded by Breaker Vlad
>Upper Blighttown first playthrough ever
>summon a guy because idk the area and want help especially since I was invaded
>Making our way down, he hasn't showed up yet, my phantom is ahead a little bit
>Fog Ring(?) guy runs up behind him from my blind spot and backstabs him off the edge and kills him. The invader runs away into the darkness
>no signs anywhere for help, cant touch bonfire because invaded
>slowly and carefully trying to figure my way down
>getting shot out of the darkness from time to time by poison arrows or he runs past me from behind and is away before I can even react. He was just tormenting me
>send him messages over GFWL like "please leave me alone I just want to finish this area" and "this is my first time here". Obviously in retrospect was a bad idea
>runs up to me once or twice to just slash at me once with his dagger and run away
>FINALLY make it to the lower bonfire, obviously cant interact with it but I forgot that since it was my first playthrough
>huh its not working
>He runs up behind me and stabs me in the back, killing me
>Sends me a message "Stay out of Blighttown"

I got the Master Key every playthrough since.

>>147168791
fatroll has more recovery frames and very little distance.
The stamina penalty is pretty considerable, too.

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>>147168560
terrible

>>147168791
Fatrolls have a fuckton of recovery and don't move very far.

>>147168791
Get that agi to 108 boi

Doing my first run of DS1 on PC and I'm at Ornstein and Smough. I keep getting my ass handed to me and I'm too shit to competently deal with the huge knights before the fog without losing so many Estus flasks. And with them there it's hard to get Solaire in to help me without him dying or sustaining a stupid amount of damage.

Anyone willing to hop in and lend a hand? My SL is 48.

>>147169060
>biggie smalls
>SL48
>first playthrough

go farm the silver knights you got damn scrub

>>147168919
that's even worse

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Fuck honor and dueling I want to be a dickass chameleon abusing backstabbing thief. What SL should I be aiming for if I want maximum diversity of areas to invade?

I really like my Murakumo even though I'm not that good with it. What are some weapons /dsg/ really enjoys using?

>>147169297
all of them

>>147169268
I think the upper 80s to the lower 100s will net you a lot of invasions in different areas because of NG cycles and what not.

>>147169268
35-40ish will get you Cathedral, Farron Keep and Catacombs. You might even catch stragglers in Road of Sacrifices.

>>147169297
Carthus Curved Sword and the Washing Pole

>>147169268
it's difficult to get diversity but 30-40 should let you invade cathedral and forrest/swamp and carthas

>>147169297
Dragonslayer swordspear
Warden twinblades
Astora greatsword
Pyromancy flame

>>147169268
Now that dagger crits got buffed, midgame sl, around 30-50 is probably your best bet.
That'll open up everything from Road of Sacrifices, Cathedral, Farron Keep, Catacombs, Irithyll and so on.

Be sure to combine obscuring ring with slumbering dragoncrest and hornet ring for maximum backstabbery.

>>147168695

Do you use havel's ring or level vit at all to maintain the 30%?
Are you just forced to use the lightest weapons?

>>147169297
I've been having a ton of fun with the Twinspears lately. I feel like they're underrated, especially if you land an L1 with the Leo Ring.

>>147169297
Court Sorcerer's Staff.