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That is one for the book edition.

>Patch notes
http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Total_War_WARHAMMER_Update_1

>FAQs & General Info
http://pastebin.com/gZ1T9VCN

>Steam Groups
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/totalwargeneral
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/twgmp

>Total War Warhammer
Mods -- http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?2191-Total-War-WARHAMMER-Modifications

>OVERCASTING SPELLS
Double click a spell (it needs to be a boostable spell and you need to have enough magic in the magic pool) to overcast the spell
There's a 50% chance that the caster damages itself though!

>QUEST BATTLE TELEPORT
Select your lord (make sure he isn't garrisoned or in a stance)
Select the quest battle (on the map or through quest log)
There's a button in the bottom right of the quest battle window that you can use to teleport for 5k gold (when the battle's finished you're automatically teleported back to your original position)

>GROUP ATTACK
Group units with ctrl + g
Select your group and right click the enemy
All your units move and automatically direct themselves to and engage enemies they get close to while maintaining formation
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>>147085080
First for BFME2 nostalgia
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Dorf waifu when?
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>>147085080
First for Radious is shit.
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>2 gigapixels for 1 units and blood effects
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Genevieve Dieudonné legendary hero when?
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So are the dorf lategame units finally useful?
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>>147085307
>Radious balanced the game for them
>still better balanced than the new patch
>everyone circle jerking over Blood Knights
>Radious had them a week into release
B-But it's popular so it's b-bad!
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>>147085245
I had the opportunity to get this cheap as a kid and was a retard and got a shit game instead, now it's expensive as fuck, have tge first one but it doesn't want to work on my new comp and is in rough shape now.
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>tfw Vlad Von Carstien LL not any time soon
>tfw stuck with a Autistc cancer patient.
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Flying jelly update was underwhelming but whatever, give me beastmen
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>>147085245
Ah, guardians, officially the most based unit in the entire game.
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>>147085562
Radious pls, no one hates your mod because its popular, they hate it because BLACK ARRER BOYZ
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>>147085562
>Radious balanced the game for them

>still better balanced than the new patch

Kek no, still trying troll, butthurt virgin detected.
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I have a dwarf campaign that's bugged with grudges against destroyed factions still ongoing

Have they patched it yet? I wanna finish it
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>>147085562
>Radious had them a week into release
He borrowed them from somebody else and they were just vampire lords with lances, not blood knights.
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>>147085802
Where's the problem with Black Orcs having archers, anon?

>>147085839
That's a lot of ad hominem, Anon.
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>>147085802
It's hated because its shit

Makes a easy game easier and makes the factions all the same with different skins. No wonder shitters gobble it up.
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>>147086029
>Where's the problem with Black Orcs having archers, anon?
Anon, now Its just obvious you are just baiting me.
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>>147085709
Those aren't U-RUKES
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>>147086029
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>>147086294
Been a while since I've seen that one
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just started downloading some 2gb patch
what does it do
any news on the horsefuckers yet?
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This is one of the new events CA added, it's got a unique blood border around it.

Pretty crazy.
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>>147085309
>he thinks he's getting the blood with the patch
nothing is for free goy
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>>147086431
This should be in OP
http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Total_War_WARHAMMER_Update_1
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>>147086278
Tell me to my anty-building hammers mate.
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>>147086113
>>147086294
So there's nothing wrong with it, you just don't like it?
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>>147085709
>>147086278
Wasn't Rohirrim basically the "demi's" of that game?
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>playing FotS for the first time ever

WHICH CLAN FIRST AND WHY
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>>147086689

makes the game way too easy with it's economic changes and some of the unit addons are just fucking bizarre.
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Any interesting mods yet? I'm looking for something that fills the void of the Southlands that makes Dwarf and Greenskin playthroughs so boring.
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>>147086689
>you will never be a butthurt virgin like this

Feels good
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>>147086643
Oh, it is. We're both idiots for not checking.
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>>147086853

radious
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>>147086853
TOMB KINGS
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Post screenshots, however shit, whatever game
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>>147086853
Not really, theirs a vampire one that's decent I think, rest are shit, especially radious cancer
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>>147086698
Yes
>Top level melee cavalry that can swap to bows mid-battle
Rohirrim were not the only cavalry unit that could do that, but quite surely the best one.
I still prefer spider riders and their poison attacks

BTW, has any other strategy game ever had a similar system of creating wildfires? I remember it working wonders in camping and not once in skirmish, but it was fun nonetheless.
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>>147086643
BLOOD KNIGHTS
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>>147087043
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>>147086657
Tell me where you live stunted one.

I'm gonna shoot up your mine with my high-capacity crossbow.
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>>147087043
>mfw stabbing the Empire in the back during the End Times so you can gain control of Altdorf.

Feels pretty Mannfred in here.
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>>147086940
>butthurt virgin being wrong
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>update gets stuck at 92%
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>>147087043
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gore soaked chosen
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>>147087029
WHEN?
someone should port the god-awful models from that Mount & Blade mod
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>>147087482
I wish the M&B mod was good.
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How do you get your family members to breed with their wives, or adopt people in Medieval 2?
I'm running out of generals and governors just from old age.
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>>147087205
Then get yourself a ticket to Poland, and let me beat you back into one of those pits you half-breeds spawned from.

Or, you know, run and get smashed by double flaming projectiles from my catapults, your choice.
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>>147087043
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>>147087043
>when there's only one bathroom in your capital and you have to share

Gotta make sacrifices infrastructure if you wanna build up a military fast enough to take Shikoku.
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>>147086873
Why do you keep projecting, Anon?

>>147086810
I can understand that, I guess. I think it makes the game more varied and adds more replayability and fun
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>>147087043

HORSEFUCKERS DLC for Warhammer when?
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>>147087474
One of the highest rated negative reviews for this new DLC is that there aren't any blood effects that go on the ground. What gives?
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>>147087869
It also adds stupid lore-breaking bullshit like Black Orc Arrer Boys.
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>>147087043
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>i bought a DLC that added blood and gore like it was exclusive

The hell is wrong with me.
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>>147088337
Gook?
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>>147088337
Fuck that game was the shit.
Still #1 soundtrack
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>>147087869
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>>147088575
One of these days I'll post a playthrough


Van Dyck was so fucking good in M1, he just didn't capture the grimdark in M2.
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>game randomly stopped updating
What do?
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KISLEV STILL NOT ANNOUNCED!
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>>147088738
SS adds M1 music to M2 IIRC
It felt amazing to play the mod for the first time and hear that old ass marching music
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>>147088810

change DL region in steam settings, To US if ur EUpoo or the reverse if ur a USAcuck
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>>147088575
Still favorite tw until everything from warhammer is out so I can final judge it, shame I can't get the steam version to work on my computer..
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>>147088918
that did it , thanks senpai
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It's fucking happening now boys.

Loaded up a ton of Marauder unit mods and not I'm ready to descent upon the puny southlanders.

If that pussy Archaon comes knocking I'm going to fuck him up too.
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Besides Slayers what else is a meme unit?

>Vargheist
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>>147086736
Purely Traditional Aizu Republic on legendary. It's easy for beginners, I promise.
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Holy shit, the blood DLC makes the attacks of giants look fucking retarded. Most of the hit units just explode in a 30 gallon blood cloud.
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>>147089346
>Still going into battle screaming for chaos
>Not the old gods

What a cuck
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>>147090002
Demi-gryphs, Doom Divers and Miners(Blasting Charges)
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>>147087043
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>>147089346

What mods?
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>>147086736
Tosa, they have a comfy start position and a nice bonus to naval bombardment.
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>>147087869
>it makes the game more fun

It makes it the exact opposite of fun

Fun is being able to use what units you're given to achieve a victory, this means accounting for weaknesses such as being orcs and having shitty archers or dwarfs and having no cavalry
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Does the patch stop the western dwarfs from declaring war on literally everyone?
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>>147087482
>four major expansions
>bretonnia is a FLC
>the other expansions will have five factions each
>expansion one doesn't even come out until may 2017
>will probably be elves

Enjoy ur no tomb kings until 2018 lol
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>>147090249
GlacierHeart's Marauder Infantry Pack
GlacierHeart's Khornate Marauders Pack

Plus quite a few other minor things that spice up Chaos play.
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>>147086736
Saga.

Neo-Otomo that shoot all the guns. Plus heroic and sharp red uniform.
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>reading about mongols

why dont chinks have souls?
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>>147090603
russian leak said Tomb Kings are the 8th DLC, after Beastmen, unknown dlc, wood elves, 2 unknown dlc ( likely units and characters )

So we may have our kangz pals around early 2017
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>>147090919
They are a simple people.

>M-mercy
>Man I told you I would raze everything if you didn't accept my rule, my words are literal. Sorry bro gotta kill every last one of you or my words will be worth nothing if I can't back them up
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>>147090919
Not human. Little more than savage animals that can wear clothes.
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>>147090921
>russian leak said Tomb Kings are the 8th DLC, after Beastmen, unknown dlc, wood elves, 2 unknown dlc ( likely units and characters )

didn't the leak say the beastmen would be out in October?
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So is the Charlemagne dlc actually good? I've heard good things on here but its got shitloads of bad reviews
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this was a close call, fug, but at least I memed these guys in one turn
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>>147091286
no, but it would be a good halloween DLC, so it's fitting
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>>147090919
Baghdad and the middle east in general never fully recovered. Europe dodged a bullet when he died before doing anything more than raids.
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>>147091523
>Baghdad and the middle east in general never fully recovered
pretty sure they were being destroyed by islam anyways

>Europe dodged a bullet when he died before doing anything more than raids.
but they returned and destroyed what was left in 1945
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>never played a naval battle before

Guys what the fuck do I do, playing FotS for the first time. What are general naval combat techniques? I only know how to fight on the land
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>>147091829
get 3 dragons
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>>147091829
Like to my boats get tired? I'd assume not so does going fast damage them?
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>>147091829
You need to focus fire one enemy ship at a time.

If it's possible try to keep your own ships in front of the enemy's bow, where they don't have cannon.
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>>147092035
Warhammer x FoTS crossover fucking when
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How do I play greenskins? They just seem to have average everything.
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>3 fucking dollarydoos for blood
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>>147092292
>costs less than a meal out
>for something you keep and use forever
>complain about it
just don't buy it you fag
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>>147092292
>for blood, animation, dismemberment, decals on ground and models and guts/organs models flying around
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>There will be much Blood for the Blood God™ this day.

What did he mean by this?
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>>147092519
its the time of the month
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>>147092398
>>147092471
>unironically defending such business practices
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>>147092519
He wants about 2fiddy
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>>147091829

Form line, approach enemy ships from one side of the area, so they have to approach you head on.

Also if you're going to focus on a navy, rush the copper/iron upgrades quickly and build the larger ships.
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>>147092519
No peace, just Total War: WARHAMMER!
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>>147091829
Reading up on some basic naval tactics helps a lot. Crossing the T will get you far.
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>>147091653
>pretty sure they were being destroyed by islam anyways
not really, baghdad had a pretty scholarly sect of islam, don't remember their exact name, they believed that the best way to understand god is to understand his creation and all that, pretty supportive of philosophy, science and arts, which is why modern hardliners consider them more or less heretical
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>>147092667
I thought franz was supposed to be young, I assumed early twenties, why does he look like a stressed out fifty year old in the cutscenes?
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>>147092737
anyone got some light reading? I know fuck all of naval combat
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>>147092964
Workplace stress
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>>147092964
You'd age quickly too if you had to deal with undead, beastmen, chaos, greenskins and Boris calling you a fag every week
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>>147092584

Nothing wrong with the "business practice". It's optional, entirely cosmetic and you can choose to buy it if you want it or not. It's a small enough fee that it's pretty much negligible.
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>>147093279
Cameron managed it
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Did slayers get buffed yet
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>>147093368
kek
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>>147093414
They get knocked down less and only take 1 turn to recruit

>>147093368
ayy
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>>147093414
they're no longer fucked in autoresolve
but autoresolving is for shitters anyways
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>>147092078
Read the tool tip. It increases the chance of random explosion.
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>>147092292
>Paid blood DLC
>Fuck that
>Forgot all about community market
>Sell a handful of random, shitty skins and items from CS:GO and Dota
>Sell those fucking Steam trading cards
>Make $5 in 5 mins
Thanks to the anon in the last thread who reminded me about the Market.
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>>147093497
Are you telling me you play the battles where its 20 stacks versus 3
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Anyone give me a tldr of the patch changes that actually matter?
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Do I let the fucking boats autofire or what?
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>>147087581
PLS
RSPND
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>>147093775
i guess not
the battles where your advantage bar is much larger than the other guy's with equal troop numbers
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>>147093482
>They get knocked down less and only take 1 turn to recruit

Wow its almost nothing
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>Lords still take the brunt of the enemies attacks if you use auto resolve
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>>147091523
The Mongols could never have advanced into central europe anyway because of the wet, cramped conditions
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>>147091286
What's the news on kislev?

>>147091405
Really good actually,it's Ike the napoleon to atilla's empire, smaller map but better campaign, less units overall but the fatuous have their own style and you ain't git bullshit ice age shit.
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FUCKING LIVIES GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY UNDEAD LANDS REEEEEE
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>>147094392
They don't get annihilated on autoresolve either.
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>>147094597
So why does it have so many bad reviews?
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>>147085709
LET YOUR BEARDS FLOW
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>>147094626
>dismembered zombies can fight on

such a nice touch
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>>147093368

lel
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>>147092281

They have very good infantry, the only problem is early game they lack anti armor which puts you at a heavy disadvantage against dwarves.

Rush to big UN's and/or spider riders and you can coast on them till you get your high tier units.
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>>147094679
Last time I checked it had good ones, dunno maybe kebabs were butthurt you could remove them in it.

>>147094519
Yea, thats what saved the north western Russian cities as well, the paying tribute after hearing what happend to Kiev and Vladimir probably helped too.
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Welcome to Vampire Town mr. Skellyman, this is your hovel, no rattling after 11.
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Haven't been around in awhile, what does /twg/ think of the new patch?
Also anyone have screenshots of the new blood knights?
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>>147094793
I love this picture
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>>147094979
I looked further, apparently it had some game breaking bugs at some point, I guess its been fixed
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>>147095040

Helped balance out all offensive magic to equally shit, which is at the very least a nice starting point to work from in the future.

Lots of buffs and fixes where they were needed, very few questionable changes.
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"Welcome to Zombie Joe's Tombstone Emporium, harrabhgharlrrrr..."
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>>147087932
when wood elves get released
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FUCKING DENUVO REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>147095040
It was quite a light touch patch, which I suppose is the right direction to go when there's still a lot of stuff to fix that could potentially change balance a lot, like magic or big monsters getting buffed
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>>147094793
shit memes lad
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>>147095416
So are half the people who live under VC rule necromancers? Like even the farmers and merchants and stuff? You see these corpses everywhere but they dont look like people who just randomly died, more like corpses some necromancer was using to help sell his wares.

Is living in Slyvania really all that bad?
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>>147095637
>butthurt piratefags
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>>147096189
FUCKING BUYFAGS GET OOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUTT
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>rattling intensifies
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>>147096175
>Is living in Slyvania really all that bad?

Yes, don't let memers tell you "it's better than Bretonnia"

Around the dead, watch your tread
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>>147091464
What's the banner of the Varghulf?

Starting Varghulf da real MVP
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bloody puppy
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>>147096463
looks like banner of swiftness
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OH BOY HERE WE GO
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POO POO
PEE PEE
BORIS STAY AWAY FROM ME
FILL YOUR WOMEN WITH MY SEED
BEASTMEN NOW OR RIOT
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>147096463
swiftness, its the only one I had, since its turn1
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>>147096683
>turn 105
>level 12 manny
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>>147096782

There is no lore backing behind beastmen raping anything, and never has been. Please refrain from speaking outside of the lore in /twg/. Thank you.
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>>147096814
been a while since I've played a Mannfred start; do you get the banner by default?
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>>147090558

Grudges need to be settled.
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>>147097020
nah, got it after beating that little stack on my lands
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>>147096683
>Turn 105
>Level 12 LL
>Doesn't control any full province outside of Sylvania
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>>147097305
Slow and steady wins the race anon.

Also I have Stirland and will descend on Schwartzstafen and Averheim shortly.
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>>147097194
Word.
Almost all the banners to be pretty useless, desu
>except Mark of Tzeentch
>mfw putting 25% ward-save a on a level 27 melee-specc'd Kholek
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>>147097305
Some of us like to play on difficulties higher than Normal
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Are Outriders the GOAT light cavalry? I haven't found more utility in a unit since the Chausseurs a cheval in Napoopan.
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>>147097516
15% Ward Save on a high value unit or AP damage on an anti-large is pretty good
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>Hey Bob there's some issues with our wall, should we do something about that?
>Nah just sit on top of the gate like we always do
top tier defense, border princes
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>>147097543
No
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>literally not a single tutorial on how to do naval combat on youtube

its like this game doesn't exist. Am I supposed to autofire with boats? Everytime I line them up the boat stops fucking moving or I line up the guns and it sits there out of line.

I do this weird fucking hobble back and forth twisting my boat for each fucking volley while it goes nowhere and the NPC boat just sails perfectly

I would watch the tutorial but adobe flash (WHY DO WE USE FLASH) is being a cunt
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>lost two fingers in a lumbering accident recently
>come out of the hospital
>see the new dlc
>boot up Warhammer
>sit and wonder why nothing is happening
>forgot that i lost my middle finger

I was broken by that.
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>>147096782

is it true that the beastmen only reproduce with humans?

this shit sounds like my fetish watching a minotaur plow a tight human.
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>>147097543
They're pretty great. Handgunners but actually useful. Can just completely replace handgunners with them desu
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>>147085245
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9hJhXsIBZU
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>>147097536
If you can't manage better than that on VH, holy fuck, you need to git gud.
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>>147096683

>empire spearmen
>some other modded empire unit

What
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>>147097628
They'll have guys there, you just can't see them.
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>>147097873


Handgunners are useful though. Their damage output is insane if you know how to actually use em.
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>>147098421
If you bother to micro them perfectly, yes.

Outriders can do the same thing with less micro, however. Their elevation lets them fire from behind ground troops.
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Seriously guys I will move my ships to face the enemy on one side and then tell them to attack and they want to do a fucking 180
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>>147098196
I'm trying out a mod that allows the Victor Charlies to recruit low-mid tier Empire units with crappy leadership as levies.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=690863663&searchtext=cataph
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I'm training to become an expert tactician.

What Empire roster should I practice against? I honestly have no idea what makes a good army and what doesn't.
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>>147097689
What game, senpai?

FoTS?
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are there any mods that fix the spell damage and morale issues in warfam? balance is a + too
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>>147097747
Human rape is actually only implied. There was some tiny lore tidbit about beastwomen that was never elaborated on. Tzeentch can fart on you and turn you into a beastman, and you could also be born beast-like to normal human parents.

But none of those things except human rape really support the huge beastman populations existing everywhere.
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>>147098540


Yeah I agree they're good at just standing behind your battle lines and firing over the heads of their comrades but they just can't match handgunners in damage.

Handgunners doesn't require perfect micro, place them in columns between your high threat units in the battleline and it's easy to pull them out when melee starts, if the enemy even attacks there. Other then that just move em out on the flanks after the melee starts and start firing.

Shit, if you've got a hill behind you just stick em up there and they'll anihilate enemy regiments even during melee with your own troops.
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>>147096175
>Is living in Slyvania really all that bad?

It depends on who your lord is. If you're unlucky you could get vampire-Mugabe while if you're lucky you could find yourself under some qt vampiress who at least somewhat cares for her people.
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>>147098672
yeah, I've been tearing my hair out for about 2 hours trying to get it right. It just seems like my orders fall on deaf ears.

I try to get them to go forward in a line and then I want them to turn in one direction so they can line up their guns. I line them up and turn them, then tell them to attack and they want to turn in the complete opposite direction.

Also I see the button to fire all guns on one side. Do I have to keep clicking that over and over during the battle for each individual ship?
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>>147098889


how does that support their prevalence in naggaroth?
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>>147099179
>>147098672
Like, how do I make my ships move in unison if they are different? I keep having to have my smaller two ships (literally the first battle of the game) go from full to half to full to half while the bigger ship lumbers forward. They can't just all go the speed of the slowest boat for some fucking reason
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>>147099179
Never give your ships attack orders, just make sure the enemy ships are in their firing arcs and let the magic happen. If you want to you could do a few manual broadsides yourself.
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>>147099340
So just literally line my ships up so that the enemy ends up in the read and put on auto fire?
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>>147099262
They've got harpies up there.
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>>147098972
Their guns do the same damage. The only difference is that Outriders have 2/3rds of the guns. But in exchange you get light cav tier mobility, the ability to fire from behind the lines and the ability to fire while moving. What you lose in pure damage output you gain in time shooting and the ability to move them wherever you want, plus Vanguard deployment
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>>147099465
Yes, pretty much this.
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>>147099547
that makes sense. Everytime I told them to attack they had collective aneurysms
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Just rewatched King Arthur and I'm feeling like it's time for a Legendary WRE campaign again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38gtusmNXgw
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>>147099542
how's the cost differential?
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Mannfred approves of the new DLC
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>>147100078
Outriders cost 100 more
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Damn, I had forgotten just how insanely good artillery is in FotS. Armstrongs will probably give me wet dreams. On another note: Didn't they give the insane morale buffs to units on legendary in S2/FotS? They rout pretty easy compared to what I'm used to in Attila and Warhammer.
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>>147098889
I mean the map is obviously uncreative, and so are the factions (non-HRE)
But I mean "Kingdoms of Ind(ia)"?
Fucking "Cathay", an archaic name for China?
"NIPPON"?
Fuck GW come on
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>cannonballs now explode enemies into minced meat


oh fugg thats pretty cool
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>Bridge map in FOTS
>Point 4 Armstrong units at said bridge
>watch as it turns into a literal meat grinder.
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>>147099542
Actually, Outrider guns deal more damage than handgunner guns.
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>>147099909

>tfw tristan was the coolest character
>he's given fuckall development
>he doesn't even go out in a worthy way
>his blade is fabricated from fantasy despite being one of the best looking blades out there
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Wait what the fuck I won the naval battle and gained ships

If I get them to surrendder do I get their ships?! Fuck I continued the battle did I screw myself over by continuing to attack?
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>>147099542


One third less damage and 100 gold extra upkeep is pretty significant. Handgunners also get reload speed upgrade which further increases the gap in effectiveness.

Handgunners also seem more accurate to me, although that might just be on the account of me setting them up with good fields of fire while my outriders are always all over the place.

They're both good units but they're for different roles.
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I don't remember VC garrisons being half stacks of crypt ghouls
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>>147100747


Handgunners are way more accurate though, they land a ton more shots per volley than outriders and I'm not sure those CA stat numbers are correct at all.
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What's DX12 been like for everyone? I have an R9 390 and turning it on gives me ~5% worse performance...
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>>147101251
CA changed count garrisons to try and improve their battle capability.
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>>147087043
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>the 5 new maps are multiplayer only

I don't understand
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>>147101812
What was wrong with them before. I haven't made use of them as VC because I'm always on the offensive, but I seem to remember they gave me decent opposition in my Empire campaign.
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Hey guys in FotS after I rout an enemy and win the battle, can I board the ship and capture it? Is there anyway of guaranteeing I capture the ship or what should I do? I'm trying to capture the copper one from the first battle in the campaign
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>>147103005
Any ship that's surrendered should be captured (unless it's sinking) if I remember correctly. Getting a copper plated ship isn't that big of a deal though, they're just a bit faster. You need iron plating to get proper armor.
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Do you guys think shogun 2 with all the dlc is worth getting for a guy that wants to get in the series? (never played a total war before)
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>>147103005
I've never captured a ship in FotS, and I really don't think it's possible. Maybe if you board it.
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>>147103482
Yes. vanilla Shogun is the best entry point in all of TW
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>be at war with three different minor tribes on the alps
>they all separately ask for peace so not worried about their strength
>move a legion up north while the other one recovers from having taken a city
>two stacks and a city garrison from a single city faction show up and block my movement

The one time I moved without sending a spy first, serves me right, I feel like an idiot.
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>>147103482
Shogun 2 is fucking amazing. It's amazing too because if you later want to play a more modern TW with guns Fall of the Samurai (which isn't DLC but an entire game all on its own) basically continues the story.

Absolutely 100% get either of them.
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Is it me, or is blood and gore causing big dips in performance, especially when looking at blobs fighting?
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Fimir is the only race in WHFB that reproduce via rape in the canon. They haven't been a thing since 3rd/4th edition of WHFB.
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Hey lads I've never played a total war game before any suggestions on what I should star with?
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Don't worry guys we'll make it through this.
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>>147104437
should i worry about any tutorials or such?
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>>147101812

VC garrisons were fucking goat.

Vargeists in among an infantry unit tear apart any infantry unit trying to attack in no time.
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>Blood knight upkeep is 424 shekels
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>>147105141
How does that even happen.
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Are Helblaster less shit now?
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>>147105336
>marginally better than black knights
>way more expensive

What exactly is the point.
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>>147105231
Go in balls deep and then come ask questions here later after your troops die a glorious death
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>>147105116
Pick your poison
Shogun 2 for a polished and refined experience
Rome 1/Med 2 for some good old fashioned janky yet fun goodness with loadsa mods and interesting time periods
Atilla for a refinement of the modern formula, also arguably the hardest and most complex total war
Warhammer if you like throwing fantasy shit together, which it happens to be good at
If you prefer muskets and cannons, there's Empire which is fairly broken and wonky but has an interesting campaign map, Napoleon is smaller but actually works, Shogun 2 fall of the samurai for the best shooting if you don't mind ARR ROOK SAME
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Guys in FotS does it matter whether my trade port is American, Franch, or British?
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mother of god
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>>147105595
oh FUCK YES here i go learning the hard way, and the way that pisses off some people in the general :^)
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>>147105821
LOL what the fuck?
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>play orc campaign
>hired an orc shaman
>it immediately broke its back during some stupid orc ritual and is wounded from a long ass turn

HA! DATS WHY YOU NED TO LEAVE DA CUNNI'N JOB TO GOBBO SHAMAN, DA LITTLE WAAARGH! NOT SOM' NOT CUNNING DUM DUM ORC SHAMAN BOSS!
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>>147105821
>make battles even faster

FUCKING
WHY
CA
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>>147105342
it's probs a garrison vs bjornlings
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>>147106018
they want you to be looking at loading screens, not playing battles because it exposes how shitty it is
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>>147105678
Thanks for the run down mate, I'll pick one up and try not to get all my chaps butchered from the get go.
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>>147091523
China too. There's a saying, (I can't remember exactly what they call it), that real China died with the Song
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>>147105336

you expect cheap salary for abnorash's chosen?
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Wow, mods have really fleshed M1 out.
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>>147105141
>wolf that weak against
>most of the unit don't wear real armor
>troll is the only one that can deal real damage and survive because aoe , some what tough unit and Armour piercing attack, but it runs away

nah, you will do just fine against those poor equip marauder.
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>>147100929
Not sure if you're still here, but that's what I use my gunships for. Wait until you win, then tell them to board the surrendered/routing enemy ships. The won't fight back, and you'll instantly capture them
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So are the new +300 events only if you have blood and gore? Mod to remove them when? They are not even interesting.
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>>147106585
fucking thank you, time to capture me some nippon boats
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>>147104653
It'll do that because of all the extra particle effects and shit.
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>>147105779
It determines what foreign troops you can recruit. Check out that encyclopedia and it'll tell you what you get
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>>147106382
>playing M1
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>>147098889
What's up with that many beastmen in Araby?
Don't they need forests?
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>>147107283
And the ironclads.
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>>147105779
It determines whose troops you can recruit. The French are only available to the Shogunate while the British are only available to the Imperials. US is available to both.

US are best at melee, French are best at range, and the British are in the middle.

As for ironclads, the British one is the best but you can only get one and it can singlehandedly crash your economy, the US one is the second best but you can only get two, and the French one is the worst (despite the fact that it should be the best) but has a ram.
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Hey they made quest teleporting not retarded
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>>147100554
>Norsica
>Albion
>Kislev =/= Kiev

Most of their shit is a fantasy version of our world. Fucking Araby which is the Barbary States of the ARABS.
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>>147104653
It seems to be way worse if DX12 is enabled, there's something weird going on. Zooming in on a fresh unit of dwarf warriors = 60fps, zooming in on some bloodied dwarf warriors with some splatter and a couple of orc corpses on the ground = 30fps for me
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Also, apparently quest enemy armies don't get the All Factions buffs
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>>147087043
Where are you going Franz?
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>>147107343
>not playing M1
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>>147107803
>Players literally could not be fucking bothered to mouse over the only other button on the window
>They have to make the button twice as big with large font text just to make sure your stupid ass will look at it
There were three fucking buttons. It's not a god damn labyrinth of a UI. Modern gamers can be really fucking retarded at times.
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>Spearmen are shit in Attila
I really wanted a spear frontline hammer/anvil army...
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>>147087043
>FUCK
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>>147108105

To get his shit smacked by a no-name bloodsucker.
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>>147109067
Only tier 1 spears are shit. Play for more than 15 turns dingus. That should be one of the first technologies you go for.
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>>147108019
>A month's worth of work
Nice bugtesting, CA.
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Even when the rest of his minions crumble, Mannfred can always count on his bestest friend Vargulf.
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>>147108019
>It will take another month to fix this
>Game is now irredeemably broken.
So what, instead of fucking up on release they are going to fuck up with every update?
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>>147109067
Roman tier 1 spears can form defensive testudo. The fuck are you on about.
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Is it really worth it trying to expand early as the Empire? Or should I play defensively, taking opportune settlements until chaos comes and everyone wants to be pals.
>>
What the fuck is "spread of influence" in FotS?
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>>147110123
I don't know considering you made that up on the spot
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>>147106009
That event is amusing a couple times then it starts just getting annoying
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>>147097536
You shouldn't, you clearly can't handle it
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I'm so fucking bad at these game jesus.

I started a normal campaign for Empire, I've never played a TW game before. How do i know when to make a second lord? What units do i give him? Should i keep heroes in the party or solo running around, why can't i kill this one shitty orc hero who harrasses my main army.

How do i build my heroes/lords fuck this game is almost too overwhelming for a new person.
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>>147110182
Not him, but it is a thing. It's referred to as a buff for the propaganda buildings. My hunch is that it relates to how that bar in your Clan Management panel that refers to how close the splitting of the realm is grows
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>>147110417
>How do i know when to make a second lord?
First turn is a safe bet most of the time
> What units do i give him?
You don't really get much choice, do you?
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>>147110417
answer to all of these questions:
Just play the game and you'll learn automatically.
watch some lets plays if that helps
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just get a lord when you have around 1k+ income or more, at the start I mostly used 4 spears, 2 sword and 2 crossbows as his army and use the git as a support army for Karl's Travelling SlaughterHouse.
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>>147110123
It is influence that spreads.
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>>147110625
>recruiting a second lord on the first turn of the campaign
Why... he is just gonna be standing around being useless, you dont need more than one lord the first 10-20 turns
do you hate having money or something?
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>>147109587
Bffs 4 lyfe
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>>147110809

I buy a lord on turn 1 or soon after if there is one with the sweet extra income trait.
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>>147110926
does that really pay off though?

the upkeep for a lord is really high, not to mention that your main army's units get bigger upkeep too.
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>Realm Divide in FoTS as the Shogunate
>basically all of Japan except Kyushu and Shikoku are already Shogunate, we already have the required number of territories

Well that was easy

Is Shogunate easy mode or something, or did I just get lucky?
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>>147110809
Because I like fighting and recruiting soldiers at the same time so I don't have to spend turns sitting on my ass at the beginning
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>>147111132

Yeah it can bite you in the ass if you dally too long with uniting reikland and getting some basic economy up, but it kinda pays itself in the longer run.
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>>147110417
If it makes you feel better I've been playing TW for years and have restarted my normal empire campaign like 8 times.

You really have to build up reikland before you try to expand anywhere. Keep one army in the settlement next to marienburg and another in grunburg. Non aggression pacts are your friends. Don't be too tempted to go for defensive and military alliances as they can drag you into unwanted wars and ruin your relations with other factions. Once chaos invades empire factions will start to like you more.
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>>147111280
didn't know that, neat.
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>confederate with wissenland to get that sweet gunnery school and 2 resources, also to save the province from Mannfred.
>3 armies of 5 units of pistoliers

jesus why is the AI fixated on that unit, it's garbage.
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Brettonia, Skaven, Kislev, and Southern Realms when?
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Holy fuck this battle music in FotS is really sad, the prep music. I actually feel really fucking bad. This is fucking amazing.
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How good is frenzy REALLY on blood knights
>+8 melee attack
>4% charge which is like 2-3 extra damage on a charge
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Ded to barbars
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>>147113191
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>>147112823
did they died
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>>147087043
BREXIT BEST DAY OF MY LIFE CHUM
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>>147112264
>Brettonia
Likely the next faction considering a lot of the content is already in the game.
>Skaven
Skaven don't exist you silly goose.
>Kislev
Maybe sometime, maybe never. They never had an army book but there's some minor stuff unique to them in the game already so who knows.
>Southern Realms
Probably never. Unless you count Dogs of War they never had an army book
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>tfw playing fots for the first time and using modern cannons for the first time ever

Holy shit these things are accurate as fuck! I actually feel bad using these. Like this is what happened in history modernized weapons just fucking raped them. I've gotta build some more fucking cannons, these were just the beginning weaker ones. Seriously they had no artillery and when they finally got to me they had lost hudnreds of units and their general was dead. THey didn't even reach my front line

Jesus christ it was brutal, I fucking love this game but damn. Maybe it's a bigger contrast in Fots because of how fast you have to modernized but holy shit
>>
>conquer talabheim
>it has a tier 1 shrine to taal

Is it just a AI only building for some early anti vampire/chaos corruption or is it a hint of some future dlc/update for province specific buildings?
>>
so does the new patch make the combat less shit, or should I just keep on using KAM's combat mod, with molays magic mod?
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>>147112264
Skaven will likely be in the next expansion/game, there's a lot of potential stuff they can do with them.
Kislev seems like it won't happen, although the unique kislev buildings and different VA for their leader teases it. I think there's enough stuff around for them to be an actual faction, and they could be fun to play, but it's less of a priority than the main ones.
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>>147114171
Is there a massive difference between Parrot guns and Armstrong guns?
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>>147114696
yes

one's shit, the other isn't. I'll let you figure out which is which
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>>147114782
THE PARROT GUNS ARE SHIT?!

Fuck I gotta tech to those yesterday
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Don't talk to me or my sons (or my wife and my wife's son) ever again
>>
I wish they made it that your units colours (or some of it atleast) would be influenced by the province it was recruited in, kinda irks me that all the empires guys have the Reikland red and white in the end.
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>>147115529
There's a mod for that, look up regional empire recruitment
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>>147115585

sweet! thanks bud!
>>
How the fuck do you deal with vampire counts that just heal themselves forever. What the fuck.
>>
So which mods actually work with the new patch? I had to scrap my empire campaign 130 turns in because I was using empire of sigmar and my game kept crashing every time I tried to load it.
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>>147115836
they'll run out of magic eventually :^)
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>>147115836
Vampire lords? Tie them down with some crappy unit and shoot them with handgunners
Banshees are much more difficult to get rid of
>>
girl vampires sound so qt
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>>147116075
Vampire Chan is best qt.
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>>147116075
theres a mod that makes them look more qt
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>blood knight tech buried in the economy tree
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>>147116449
>right, trying to hard to be perfect, looks like the joker
>left, imperfect, somewhat ugly, but still qt.
I want to cuddle vampire chan and tell her that I dont care that she is all disgusting and veiny and smelly creepy looking and I love her just the way she is <3
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>>147116579
>not rushing your economy techs every time anyway
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>>147116449
Why is the before shot pixelated as fuck?
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>>147116579
The two techs that lead to it are essentially mandatory early on anyways, what's the problem?
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>>147116592
I think the eyes need work. Maybe make them a bit bigger, a bit rounder, and give them a less angry expression.
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>>147116757
because whoever took the pic ran the game on a toaster
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>>147116943
Eh, the angry expression suits her. Dont know why, but it does.
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>lay siege to marienburg for 5 turns
>siege engines ready, waiting for attrition to weaken full stack inside
>agents at only other marienburg settlement preventing movement of reinforcements
>out of fucking nowhere, a full stack of marienburg troops comes out of bretonia and hits me from behind

How the fuck does a faction with two settlements afford two full stacks and a tiny third army.
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>>147116075
>>147116434

Reminder that Genevieve Sandrine du Pointe du Lac Dieudonné is the only acceptable vampire waifu.
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>>147117339
Rich province + AI welfare/cheats = Ridiculous army.
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>>147117339
They have the highest starting treasury in the game, 20,000.
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>>147117514
How did they get the manpower and industry to equip and supply such an army?
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>>147117339
>Marienburg is a cash cow
>AI gets free money out the ass
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So how does the patch feel so far?
Are soul leech and accuse a lot worse than they were before?

Are Blood Knights as disappointing as their statline would indicate?

Is AoE magic on large unit size worth anything yet?
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>>147117513
>rich province

how come when I take it it makes fuckall and has stupid building choices so I have to demolish them all and start over? Does the Ai really get to cheat that bad?
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>>147117626
Hiring mercs that count as state troops.
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>>147117685
Blood knights are pretty cool and they work great against the AI. Magic is fucking gay and you shouldn't use it anyways so who cares.
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>>147117709
The AI does cheat pretty hard but Marienburg should always have the Marienburg docks line which is the best money making building in the game.(Actually the dorfs may have a better one but I wouldn't know fucking anything about the stunties.)
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>>147117709
>How come when I take it, it makes fuckall
>Stupid building choices
>Demolish them all
Don't tell me you demolish the fucking port.
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>>147117785
You can't hire mercenaries in the game.
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Are agents EVER worth putting in your army? I can't help but feel like an extra unit of greatswords, reiksguard, or cannons is a much better option.
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>>147118050
You cant demolish the port iirc. It's always been level 1 when I take it though.
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>>147118090
Depends on the faction.
A vampire waifu on a hell steed does work flying around and spirit leeching enemy heros and trash lords.
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>>147118063
Well if you mean how Marienburg gets their armies inagame, you tell me it's your campaign.

Maybe they've taken somewhere in Bretonnia.
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>>147118063
No you can't, but lore-wise Marienburg is a super wealthy city that can afford to hire dickloads of mercs which is where all that manpower would come from.
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>>147117685
I tried out Flame Cannons and they were actually good

Didn't justify the MP cost, but I could see myself using them in the campaign where money isn't an issue
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>>147118090
Combat focused agents can come in handy when trying to kill off enemy generals, and they also have in their blue skill tree a skill that lets them gradually increase the rank of the units in their parent army which can be useful. They can also be useful if your general has no access to magic and you want to take advantage of that. They also come in handy if you run into morale problems since they get their own area of influence buff to leadership.
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>>147118553
the flamabwehrkanone is an unethical weapon
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>>147118090

a mage is usually useful unless the general himself is a mage.

The Dorf Engineer is a bullshit good hero to have just for the passive bonuses, even if the man himself is a stunted bag of flaming cocks on the battlefield.
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>>147118761
What if I use ultra unit sizes? magic is pretty weak. Is it still worth it?
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>>147118917

yeah, because buff spells are still a thing and you can use most of the basic single target spells for some lord/monster sniping.
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Did the recent patch unfuck the balance for the game? Because Vampire counts were never a threat at all and I want to play them without being sucky at shit.
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Who shoud I play again.
Mousillon or Vampire counts?

Also what is a lore friendly reason for Bretonnia to invade Estalia/Tiela/Border princes?
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>>147119016
I might give it a shot. I never have trouble killing the enemy lord with karl though. Once he has a flying mount I just wait until the melee begins then send him after the enemy lord and he fucks them up.

I'm only wondering because I'm about to win as the empire and I have never used an agent besides for passive abilities. I rarely use magic even when Gelt is leading the army.
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>>147118750
Good. I prefer my Geneva convention broken and tattered
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>>147119252
>lore friendly reason for Bretonnia to invade Estalia/Tiela/Border princes?

They didn't bow low enough to the kings messenger, also they are filthy foreign peasants.
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>>147118090
Witch Hunter's Accusation is extremely good in battles
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>>147093368
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>DLC is named Blood for the Blood God
>doesn't add khornate berzerkers

F-, see me after class.
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>Maybe I shouldnt have jumped...
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>>147120802
>Tfw you accidentally spill your own blood for the blood god
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Lads what's the comfiest Total War?
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Is playing as the manlets any fun?
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>>147121371
Depends on how much you like to shooty and how fast you can get IRONBREAKERS
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>>147121371
How much do you like archers and playing at range?
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>you can no longer just leave axe wielding marauder horsemen alone

22 ranged Armor piercing damage on a super mobile unit is bullshit.

Holy shit, the Varg and Skaeling have been toxic as shit since this patch dropped. I think they buffed their income as well. The Varg are somehow maintaining 5 doomstacks on 6 settlements.

My only consolation is that Demi's are still as absurd as ever.
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>>147114245

Middenheim and Taalabecland will sometimes build shrines to Ulric and Taal.

They're actually fully functional, so you don;t have to destroy them if you dont want to. Ulric and Taal are both official gods of the Empire anyway, so there's no reason not to leave them if you want them.
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>>147121754
Gotta love CA's logic

>Marauder Horsemen are worthless but annoying, used in huge mass and horrible to fight
>let's make them actually dangerous
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>Total war will never have "dying soldiers" lines like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldNSMnEeKio


thank god
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>>147105821
>>147106018

Doesn't that buff make weak units absurdly good?

I mean, that's a 25% percent buff to a demigryph, but a 75% buff to the average empire state trooper.

Also, why is so much of the Empire Tech tree either really good, or shit?

>15 armour for a unit that already has 150

thanks

I think I'll get Knightly Preceptors, though.
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>>147121754
>>147122154

I basically never fight them, unless it's a fight I think I can win and the autoresolve says I can't.

They use all the most bullshit units.

Hounds. Horsemen. Chariots.

None of them are overpowered, but they're all obnoxious as fuck and keeping up with the AI's micro without pausing is an utter chore.
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>>147121754
It's because the desolate wasteland known as Norsca is apparently an economic powerhouse that surpasses the Empire.
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>>147122261
Rome 2 had some nice lines.
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>>147122803
>"Has anyone seen my son?!"
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>>147119158
VC's crumbling meme is really easy to abuse so you shit on them if they're AI controlled. But they're also very effective against the AI with you at the helm. They were fine all along and probably one of the strongest factions on the battlefield with Mannfred at the helm. Their campaign can be one of the harder ones though.
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>>147123118
>tfw humans in warhammer have no personality outside of MUH EMPEROR/SIGMAR
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>>147123674
Only those in the Empire obviously.
Gelt's neat. There are a few neat fanatics among the sea of boring fanatics.
Karl Franz is kinda a fanatic but a likable and balanced human being in all his endeavors.
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>>147120016

I was really hoping we'd see these too. Like a T5 version of forsaken with armor.
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how do you make money as the vampire counts? all of my buildings suck ass
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>>147122261
>Get line infantry
>Send them into the fray,
>they get slaughted by arty
>as you zoom in you hear this
What do

Also its a shame in Rising storm you rarely ever hear these
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>>147123674
Its really a shame, they have some lines that make them seem like people but for they sound more like space marines yelling about Sigmar and Ulric all the time.

Dawi have it even worse, I dont think ive ever heard any Dwarf banter that wasnt about muh grudges and kill urks.
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THEY GAVE DEMIGRYPHS EVEN MORE DAMAGE

JUST KEK MY SHIT UP
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>>147087043
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So how do you deal with capital cities as Chaos? Since I can only siege with have one stack, if the enemy just turtle his stack it make it almost impossible.

Actually I am kinda confuse about this "horde" thing. Should I ravage the north first? Should I turtle? I have no idea.

So can you help this anon out with some tips to bring about the end times?
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>>147125034
Don't be a GW shill and play someone else.
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>>147125034
awaken and subjugate bearsonling. raze their province rivals and then turn around and raze kislev's nearest fort, killing the army inside it

then go back and defend bearsonling from kraka drak, who will then be exposed to a good old razing

then make peace with varg and skaeling after crushing them enough, and go back to fucking kislev.
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>>147125279
whoops
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>>147125279

Yea I got that part done, but I get lost in the mid game. I mean I killed that asshole bird but I feel directionless.
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>>147125034

Sack the first couple provinces a few times to get the blue skill for horde growth maxed on your first lord. If you awaken a norse tribe, fight them the same turn and subjugate them so they can't start wars on their own (like with other norse tribes you awaken)

Don't be so afraid of attrition that you don't stack at cities when it's necessary.
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>>147125007
>Fall of the Eagles
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>>147125379

First time playing Attila as Franks. Getting the hang of the new features that weren't in Rome 2. WRE is desperate for allies and I just cucked the Langobards out of their city while they were marching on the Saxons, who are confined to a single ship also thanks to me. My High King is currently umarried and longs for companionship. Do I let this woman fuck my shit up?
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>>147125379

it's just gonna be like that.

feels pretty empty in a world with only four races to fight. lots of the same shit.

maybe when the game is fully made it'll feel good.
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>>147125502
>Romans can't easily dice thousands of primitive tribal niggers
>muh culture muh AXSUM
t. Merkel
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>>147095637
Fuck off, no one wants you here
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>>147122261
I remember playing M2 with the music off and I got to say the clash of weapons and groans of men dying was hard to listen too.
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>>147124261
The voice work in Insurgency is great.
>fire a shot right past an ally's head, or at his feet or whatever
>STOP IT
Screamed out with all the shock and fear and anger as a real person would probably have if their squadmate started tossing around circus trick bullets in the middle of a real firefight with the enemy.
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>>147125736
>no armor piercing damage bar crossbows
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>>147125913
What?
Crossbows in FotE have something like 40 AP damage with Heavy Shot, and most infantry has less HP than that.
Also the niggers are all light infantry and shit their heaviest unit was "medium" melee infantry with 20something armor
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The campaign is boring as fuck and I think the multiplayer might be even worse or I'm very unlucky

>People who only bring straight heroes and a few of their most elite units
>People who only bring out monster units to drag out a game as long as possible

I just wanted good CINEMATIC replays to watch
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>>147125535
>negative trait
not even once familia
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>>147116579
It's the vampire tree so it fits.
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>>147126238

Too late. I'm allying with Rome early while they're still rank 1 and I'm gonna sandwich my barbarian brothers between us. I'll be the savior Rome needs. Besides, sometimes it's useful to have a woman with a tongue like a viper.
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>>147124465
>implying there's anything for a Dwarf but grudges and orc killing
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I LOVE IT
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So Slayers. Anyone get anytime with them since patch? I did a couple quick tests before I left and I think they'll be usable in campaign.


>>147110809
>>147110926
>>147111132
Did you know you can disband empire lords that are in your office and they stay in office? They go into the rehire pool like wounded guys.
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>>Beastmen DLC before the Bretonnian FLC even though the Brets already have a unit roster and agents + other stuff in the game already and said Brets are playable in custom battles.

You know, I don't normally do things like bitching about jewish business practices, but this is just really blatantly hook-nosed.

I mean seriously guys, you are going to make more then enough money emptying our pockets of cash for DLCs and expansions.
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>>147126896
Seriously what's taking so long for Brettonia
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>>147126483
killing skaven

>>147126950
making other dlcs :^) I'm serious though
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>>147126886

you still get the bonuses from them?
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>>147126896
Damn those kikes at CA for not implemented free stuff at the pace I want them to. Fucking JEWS
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>>147092179
>Dragons shredded by gatling guns onboard the Kotetsu
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>>147127132
Think so but I have not double checked. Feel free to test.
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>>147091829
Ahhh Fots. The game that forces landlubbers to git gud at naval. Not gitting gud basically means bending over to get buttraped by endless AI naval raids bombarding your economy to the stone age
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>there are people who think the MP is worth playing
My sides
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>>147127157
What's with all these actual shill-tier posts? Like seriously, this isn't a complaint about the game or anything, but just a seemingly nonsensical choice from the perspective of effort involved. Brettonia is basically done already.
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>>147126950

More units, another LL, quests and campaign events, expanded building and tech tree. There's probably a lot of shit they need to do to make them ready.

Plus I feel like the Life or Beast lores need to be added in for Bretonnia to feel like Bretonnia.
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>>147088108
Blood DLC added in the future
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>>147127615

How DO I git gud at boats in Attila, anyway? I only played a few but it's been pretty confusing for me, and all my faction has access too seems to be melee boats and archer boats.

Do I just right click the enemy ships and hope for the best? Because that's what I've been doing.
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>>147126896
>>147128028
Hold up, where is this source saying BM are coming before Brets?
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>>147126950
What this guy>>147127046
said.

I mean you can argue that Bretonnia isn't actually feature complete yet and you would be right, but at the same time Beastmen don't even exist in game yet, so they require far more work. It really does ultimately come down greed.

>>147127157
Anon, I just spent 3 US dollars for a blood and gore mod that by rights should have been FLC.
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>>147128153
I'm have no idea, speaking as >>147128028 - I'm just confused as to why the post I quoted was defending CA over a strange business choice without actually pointing out BM aren't confirmed coming out before Brets, which would've been fine.
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>>147128164
>Anon, I just spent 3 US dollars for a blood and gore mod that by rights should have been FLC.
A lot of people seem to unironically think this is completely fine so...
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>>147128164
>Anon, I just spent 3 US dollars for a blood and gore mod that by rights should have been FLC.

Then complain about that instead of the free shit. Christ you're retarded.

>>147128028
How is that shill tier? I'm cool with you complaining about anything about the game, but throwing a fit over stuff you're getting for free and then calling the people giving you free stuff jews is over the line. Stop being a spoiled brat.
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>>147128153
Apparently one of the Russian leaks or some shit. I could be wrong though, it's just something I heard third-hand on here.

>>147128342
So what? People thinking something is fine doesn't mean it actually is fine.
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>>147128164

>by rights

Point out to me in the Bill of Rights the area that highlights that you're entitled to free game content
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>>147118750

Anti Flame Defense Cannon?

>>147119374

But anon, The Geneva Convention, Additional Protocol I, and Additional Protocol III of CCW Convention are OK with using incendiary weapons against combatant and military objectives, as long as the injury and suffering caused are proportional to the military advantage gained by burning them.

Civilians and Civilian Objects are verboten tho
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>>147128521
>it's just something I heard third-hand on here.
So its absolutely fucking baseless

Fuck off attentionwhore
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so wait, is the 270x not DX12 compatible?

On CA's list, they list the 260x and the 290, but not the 270x or the 280x
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Dunno what problems you guys are having, 2,50€ is nothing and it always makes the game so much better.
But to each their own!
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>>147128637

It should be in the base game, but nobody's complaining about it because it's standard CA jewing practice now.
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>>147128445
>How is that shill tier? I'm cool with you complaining about anything about the game, but throwing a fit over stuff you're getting for free and then calling the people giving you free stuff jews is over the line. Stop being a spoiled brat.
Because there's no real reason to not have the Brets first, it literally makes no sense from either a Jewing perspective (unless they desperately need loads of cash now? but they'd just take a loan or some shit they're a company with incredibly reliable income) or from an effort / fanboyism perspective.
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>>147128637
>2,50€ is nothing
No it's something, it's insignificant but it's not nothing.
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G O B L I N S
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>>147128637
It's nickel and dime bullshit for a feature that should have either been in the game at launch or available shortly thereafter as FLC. Just because something is cheap doesn't mean you aren't ultimately getting screwed. Think about how much money we all will have spent on this game by the time all the DLC and Expansions have been released. CA will have made several times the sale price of the game per customer most likely.
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>>147128637
It's not so much the price they take issue over, but the principle and likely fear the slippery slope, which is totally justified. Just look at how microtransactions infect $60 titles nowadays.

>>147128859
Sure it makes sense. A new free campaign is going to bring back significant interest to the game, from even people who refuse to buy dlc, which is much more crucial 5 months after release than it is 1 month.
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The practice of adding two embankments to EVERY encounter map is kind of annoying. There's nothing wrong with bridge battles if you make the AI intelligent enough to use them. Just spent an entire battle circling embankments because they'd just move across and I couldn't afford to split my army to keep them from crossing.
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>>147129130
>Sure it makes sense. A new free campaign is going to bring back significant interest to the game, from even people who refuse to buy dlc, which is much more crucial 5 months after release than it is 1 month.
I guess you have a point
It's just the work is already done for the most part.
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>>147129195
That really depends on how much they are planning to expand the faction. Until then, it's not like there aren't mods that let you play Bretonnia as is.
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1-2 Empire
3-4 Shogun 2
5-6 Rome 2
7-8 Attila
9-0 Warhammer
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>>147128568
>soldaten in entrenched position
BBQ
>soldaten in building
BBQ
>Building of military worth
burn it down
>soldaten charging at you with stick
cruel and unusual
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>>147129130
>>A new free campaign
What are you referring to here? Bretonnia being playable in the standard GC campaign isn't quite what I'd imagine a "new campaign" to be.
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>>147129286
Well no that's my point really
I don't actually even have the game nor do I feel strongly either way, but I feel like it makes very little sense to release a game with one faction seemingly almost done, allow mods to make a playable and probably later we'll have new LL quest mods and stuff, but not release the FLC in a timely manner. I mean if Vikings were already in the game and unlocker got them for you at launch, would making it a FLC really revive interest?
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>>147129130
>from even people who refuse to buy dlc, which is much more crucial 5 months after release than it is 1 month.
Objectively false, CA stated DLC released early on always sells better than DLC sold later on regardless of its type
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>>147129415
>Bretonnia being playable in the standard GC campaign isn't quite what I'd imagine a "new campaign" to be.
If you want anything other than more races to the existing campaign you're a moron

>tripfag
Nevermind, you confirmed it already
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>Try playing Chaos for once
>Rush the dwarves to sack for huge moneys
>Go back down to the first Baersonlig (spelling, whatever.) camp that I subjugated
>Kislev has used them for farming
>Turn 11, Dimitri or whatever his name is, is level 10 by this point
>Sigvald is but level 7 and has been chain-sacking shit for xp.
>mfw

I'm burning everything to the ground, fuck Kislev.
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>>147129450
That's the point, it's FLC which means it's a "get interest back free" card.
>>
>Start Greenskins normal difficulty campaign
>Go at Thundering falls with full stack of mostly Orc Boyz against shitty quest half stack
>Get rekt

I knew coming back to this shit game was a mistake
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>>147129583
Is this that girl who went fucking insane in russia and became a saint for it
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>>147129415
>Bretonnia being playable in the standard GC campaign isn't quite what I'd imagine a "new campaign" to be.
They'll be playable in the Wood Elves campaign so it's cool
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>>147128637
It's a bit of a muddy issue. They have no blood in the basegame for rating issues. Nobody is going to say the blood is bad. It's that they have to pay for it is the issue.
It's certainly something that's more in line with their free updates, they just need to keep it seperate for the rating.
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What have YOU done for the Lady today, /twg?
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>>147129632
get gud you git
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>>147129758
Sucked off oniichan.
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>>147129665

You call it insanity, I call it dedication.

"Now Olga gave to each soldier in her army a pigeon or a sparrow, and ordered them to attach by thread to each pigeon and sparrow a piece of sulfur bound with small pieces of cloth. When night fell, Olga bade her soldiers release the pigeons and the sparrows. So the birds flew to their nests, the pigeons to the cotes, and the sparrows under the eaves. The dove-cotes, the coops, the porches, and the haymows were set on fire. There was not a house that was not consumed, and it was impossible to extinguish the flames, because all the houses caught on fire at once. The people fled from the city, and Olga ordered her soldiers to catch them. Thus she took the city and burned it, and captured the elders of the city. Some of the other captives she killed, while some she gave to others as slaves to her followers. The remnant she left to pay tribute."
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>>147129809
Yeah but still
Like shiet that's fucking hardcore and got her a spot in Civ VI wtf man
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>>147129534
I was merely asking for clarification. anon.

>>147129673
I actually agree with you here, CA's practices are relatively benign compared to other companies, but at the same time this endless DLC crap is still a tumor on the game industry, it's just that CA's tumor isn't malignant.
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>>147129758

nothing really, but I gunned down a load of bretonnian hicks for Sigmar.
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>>147130087
REMOVE YOUR GODDAMNED TRIP
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>>147130087
>I was merely asking for clarification
You are merely attempting to save face after I called you out on your bullshit

Fuck off attentionwhore
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>>147130087
>benign
Nigga they put chaos warriors as a dlc. Chaos was like the core feature for their trailers. It's a wfb strategy/tactics game that has one of the most iconic factions in all of fantasy as a pre order dlc. How is that ok? It's a genius marketing move because no matter what it's going to sell but come he fuck on
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fucking retards and autismos bitching about how blood should be free or in the game since release
is this what the disgruntled spic and his like have done
Every single dlc throughout the game's life is going to get the same "LOL WHY IS THIS NOT IN RELEEZ? SHUD BE FREE DESU BAKA"
>first expansion comes along
>map size doubled, new and unique factions and new magic added
>OMG WHY WASNT THIS IN RELEASE?? FUCK CA U JUST LOST CUSTOMER COZ DA BRITMAN AND ANGRY BROWN PERSON TOLD ME SO AND I CANT THINK FOR MYSELF
youtubers have ruined everything
fucking nigger kikes fuck
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>>147130650
are you really defending blood dlc?
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>steam reviews for blood

>"I deeply resent having to pay for this..."
>"As a player, and a customer, I am offended..."
>"CA, as a loyal customer for many years, I must say..."

holy shit these fucking people
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>>147130650

society as a whole has become a cesspool of SJWs, perpetual victims, and Tumblrites

To think, The Roman Empire was destroyed for THIS.

Do you think they could've ever imagined the maximum autism that we, as a society, are?
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>>147130791
I'm sure if they keep buying it but leave a negative review, CA will stop.
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>>147130791
leddit leaking through
>>147130775
kys anon, for real. i dont even care if you're baiting me
how are you faggots surprised every time even though its been this way for like the past 4 games or so
if you cant wrap your mongoloid head around why CA wants to keep the rating down on release then off yourself
honestly if i wanted to kill myself i would climb up to your number of chromosomes and jump down to your IQ
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>>147130650
Or it's just normal people with a lot of normal opinions. I don't personally give a fuck about paying for blood, but I can understand why some people do.
Garbage youtube cucks like Jaded Jalapeno don't often get popular on obscure opinion. They have normal, commonly shared opinions that are just delivered loudly and obnoxiously.
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okay, does any senpai here know how to steal siege equipment? i heard some generals ago that it was possible to do it on the first quest battle for the empire and i want to sweet free mortars
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>>147130980
the thing is that the fanboys dont even have an opinion, they just try to be coooool like their hispanic hero is to them
>m-maybe if i do and say this, the brown biggot will say something like "good job u guys" and obviously he will be talking directly to me ha-haha
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>>147130636
It's FLC.
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>>147131007
kill the crew?
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>>147131164
so just killing the crew and having slots?
do i have to kill every single crew member?
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>>147130775
>are you really defending blood dlc?

It's entirely optional and it's dirt-cheap. You can probably even get all the money for it from the steam cards you get for playing the game alone.
Nobody is holding a gun to your head and telling you to buy it, so. If you don't support it - don't buy it. I don't mind buying it because I've always enjoyed the blood DLCs.
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>>147131383
There's zero reason why it shouldn't be in the game already.

It's just a jewish money grab which you cucks eat up
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>>147131383
>cut content from the game
>NOBODY'S FORCING YOU TO BUY IT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT CA
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>>147131442
>CA should work for free, everything should be free
>I'm a communist
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>>147131604
the shill is real
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>>147131478

Who are you quoting? I certainly never said that. It's not cut content, that's one of the first things the data miners looked up. There's no previous files that correspond to giblets and gore, nor any of the same blood textures that were added.

>>147131442

If you weren't busy angrily typing out buzzwords on your keyboard, you'd take a moment to realize that it's simply how games are made these days. If there's no microtransactions - they have to charge for something extra. In this case, a tiny dlc that is cheaper than a smaller bag of apples, or even a frozen pizza. If it was like, 8 dollaridoos or 8 euros, I would be inclined to agree with you. But 2,5? Reasonable.
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>>147131442
>There's zero reason why it shouldn't be in the game already.
Would have a higher age rating.
See, that's a reason
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>sigvald's silverslash quest

What the fuck is this utter bullshit?
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>>147131604
>being this much of a cuck

Kill yourself
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>>147131912
>>147131759
the samefagging is real
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>>147131957
nice try shill
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>>147131892
Beauty is pain anon
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>new savage orc resurgence event fires up in nordland
>don't care because i dont have any plans for that area of the empire atm due to Wacky Mannfred and his Shambling Troupe of Wonders.
>20 turns later everything north of carroburg is a ruin due to 2 waaaghs and a skulltakerz savage doomstack.

fuggg
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>>147132158
Don't let NPC's handle savage orcs, they literally can't for some reason. I've seen more than one campaign where the Dwarfs got overrun without any intervention from me because the Top Knotz just overran them before confederating into the Greenskins.
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>>147131995
>>147131912
>>147131759
>shill shill cuck cuck shill cuck shill
epik
truly
epik
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>>147132315
it's a accurate description on how pathetic you are
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>>147131892
Surly such suffering springs from a severe shortage of skill.
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wew lad, sure is summer up in here huh
cant wait for fall so the kids go back to school desu
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> Tomb Kings still not announced
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Anyone bother to do quests for legendary items?

I usually just forget about them because they make the lord too op in battles and that you have to send your limited agents early on to the other side of the map to progress.
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>>147131604
No, but they should include what's expected to be in the game in the game. It's easy really.

It's like removing cavalry because it's tough to animate. "WE WILL INCLUDE THEM IN DLC GUIS, PAY US".

This is the only game series I know does this bullshit. Try releasing any game with out blood, i.e. DOOM.

It's a sad practice
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>>147132523

>I missed the last thread

FUCKING SHIT, THIS YOUR FAULT CA FOR NOT RELEASING MORE NEWS
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>>147132648
>thing that doesn't affect the game
>vs thing that affects the game

nice falae equivalence
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>>147132648
>CA never said that blood would be in the game on release
>blood has been a dlc since at least shogun 2
>expected to be in the game
you're a fucking retard desu
back to steam reviews with you
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>MP is all fucked, artillery dont do jack shit, battles boil down to who can snipe enemy general with magic, fate of bjuna spirit leech shems burning gaze literally make the game a fucking spam fest, demigryphs and crypt horrors horribly unbalanced, chaos warriors cost 200 more gold than they should, dwarves are just dogshit cuz artillery sucks
>nerfs magic missiles
pretty good
>spirit leech barely nerfed and fate of bjuna not nerfed
I-I-I guess its better than nothing
>Demigryphs nerfed
its needed
>Crypt Horrors nerfed
GREAT!
>adds Blood Knights
good but wouldnt that unbalance MP?

>Blood Knights now replace Demigryphs as the new Tagmata

>Empire is just utter dogshit now that VC beats them in both magic, infantry, and cavalry

I dont know why I even bother with this game when CA cant balance for shit

Chaos and Dwarves is still really fucking useless, Bretonnia didnt get shit when they desperately need more units, Orcs stayed the same which is good because they really are in a good place balance wise
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>but won't someone think of the children the blood will scar 16 and 17 year olds for life
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I'm having a great time with Empire, why did it get so many bad reviews?
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>hope for blood and gore
>receive single tone maroon paint and gore

why cant CA into colours and lighting
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>>147132843
Why even release detailed textures then? They aren't necessary
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>>147132947
fantastic post
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>>147131892

Surely, such sweet slaughter shouldn't be sweated over, but seen as sweet sacrifice for sinister, sweet and sexual Slaanesh. Scions simply slaughter.
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>>147132849
I know they said/hinted at that from the beginning, and it was expected because this has been the practice in previous games. But the fact that it's a money sucking scheme persists. Tell me ONE other game that does this bullshit level of DLC hypocrisy. Even cod and EA isn't this bad
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>>147132964
it was shit on release, like unplayable for the longest time

it was only fixed after a couple of years
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>>147132989
it's not necessary and vital for the game

pay extra for detailed blood in the fancy shiny things dlc
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>>147133017
They're not. CA just threw them in for free.

>give an inch take a mile
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Are chaos trolls worth it? I've never used them before.
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>>147133197
seriously, you'd thing they make an effort since its paid dlc and they've had years to try and improve it
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>>147133116
>Even cod and EA isn't this bad
Black Ops 2 has purchasable kawaii gun skins. Dead Space 3 has purchasable in-game resources. They are both far worse with their microtransaction infested bullshit than the one blood sucking dlc CA does per game.
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>>147133328
>You pay for a game and thus are expected to receive nothing
>Everything else is given to you

too edgy for me
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>>147133654
In Black Ops 2 I don't expect kawaii gun skins, but I do expect blood

You got me on Dead Space 3

>>147133367
Spawns are more worth it imo
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>>147133654
>Dead Space 3 has purchasable in-game resources.

Now imagine they made you pay for gore

Exactly.
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post screenshots from any game my dudes

also MUHREENS are fucking incredible and I miss them
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>>147132304

>Top Knotz confederating into the Greenskins.

Savage orcs and Greenskins count as two seperate races. They can't confederate.
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>>147133803
not even comparable
if CA was selling loot or treasure for money then you'd be getting somewhere
try again
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>>147133803
False equivalency. Gore is core to the gameplay of Dead Space. Blasting off limbs and curb stomping is Dead Space, whereas blood decals are just visual flare in Total War.

I really don't get your point regardless. I already voiced my displeasure with the blood dlc. I just find microtransactions infinitely more cancerous. What more do you want?
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Has anyone tried to play a Campaign with limited elite units mod? I really like the idea of it, because armies full of black orks or greatswords are retarded lore-wise, but i fear that AI will break or something liek that.
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>>147133367

Very much so, especially after the buffs to regen effects.

Throw any +Leadership or Unbreakable effects on them. If they run, just keep an eye on them, they'll heal up damn near to full by the time their morale comes back, and you can toss them back into the melee as if fresh.
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>>147133885
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>>147132964
The AI is the worst and babby tier
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>read patch notes
>get exiting about magic being fixed
>turn off Molay's mod
>cast lead bombardment spell
>it barely damages a unit of spearmen, dealing around 100 damage

Fucking hell
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Why the fuck are blood knights 3000 on MP battles? is anyone using them?
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>>147134124
>blood isn't as vital in space battles as history/fantasy battles

I do realize you are trolling but you need to step up your game, really shitty argument
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>>147135235
>dead space is a space battle simulator and gore is not a core mechanic
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How well optimized is medieval 2? Would I get better performance than Shogun 2?
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>>147135328
Med 2 is optimised for computers that dont exist anymore
S2 is better unless you dont like asians
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>Chaos can, with very little effort, recruit rank 9 units
>this is possible in less than 50 turns
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>>147135383
Nobody likes asians.
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>>147087043
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>>147135328
Medieval 2 has an overall better perfomance BUT due to the engine being that old it has extreme issues if you have really big armies 6-7k roughly.
It starts to be really laggy and im running Warhammer on Ultra.
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>>147135314
>people, orcs, monsters, VAMPIRES, shopping each other to pieces don't need blood but a guy shopping monsters to pieces does

explain why above isn't true
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>>147135778

He's obviously saying that dismemberment is a core mechanic for Dead Space, but not TW. Which is true. Dead Space wouldn't be Dead Space if you didn't have to target specific body parts to take down certain enemies and dismember them. TW is TW without blood. The argument I would make is that while it isn't a core mechanic, it's a pretty important feature for a war game that wants to pretend to be even a tiny bit realistic or true to its source material. It's silly seeing people with pikes through their faces and nothing else and so is watching people fall over after getting poked by swords.
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From this blood dlc discussion I get one thing, all TW's before Shogun 2 weren't good games because
>no blood
since blood is an integral part of war games.
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>>147135778

One is a first person horror game and the other is a strategy game. In your face violence is the key component to the first game, while the more time you spend looking at the actual combat in the second the less youre actually keeping on top of the game itself.
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>>147135993
You can dismember with out blood, it's just flair and textures. It's as silly, as you say, to have a pike showed (clipped really) through a face with out any blood.

I don't expect a soldier coming out after a battle and not have any blood on him, as much as I expect a monster being ripped apart to have blood on it.

It's a silly scheme. They took away the blood for ratings. Sure, I see why, but I don't see why it isn't available at day 1 separately. And at that, why it isn't free.

Some games do have maps as paid DLC, some games even have in game items as paid DLC, but I've yet to come across an other game with a core feature such as blood as paid DLC

Why do they do it here and not in DOOM? Or DS3? Why are Total War players so gullible? It's like living in a harsh dictatorship and arguing that because it has been so in some years it's ok, we accept it now. It's still utter shit
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>>147136354
?
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Fuck fighting Norsca as Chaos. If you don't have marauders yourself, or your dogs got wiped out, it's just fucking tedious to chase these pixel-perfect kiting faggots.
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>>147136360
So a giant spider ripping apart a man should be less bloody than a guy shooting a mutated human?

Why even include the battles? It's just a turn based strategy game.

You aren't entitled to the battles, they GAVE them to you, oh lord the generous CA prises us with gifts from the heavens
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>>147136402

You keep comparing total war to Doom, as if the only similarity necessary if that they're both video games where things die violently. Total war has more in common with fucking Risk than Doom.
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>>147136436
>mods
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>>147136475

Battles are gameplay. Blood is cosmetics, cosmetics that can negatively impact the base games sales around the world if included as part of the base game.

How is this difficult to grasp?
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Do Archaon/Kholeks spellcasting ever get better, or at least more reliable?
Sometime archaons fireball will wipe out half a unit, sometimes it will cause 1 death, even if the fireball lands in the middle of their group.

Same deal with kholeks lightning, yesterday I had it land in the centre of a unit and it didn't do any damage, the unit started moving backwards just before it hit, I assume the AI just decided they were going to dodge it.
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>>147136601
>that can negatively impact the base games sales around the world if included as part of the base game
>he actually bought the lie

If only they knew this back when making soldier of fortune, they missed out millions including gore in the base game!
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>>147136601
But release it alongside, at the same day, for free, but optional.

It's a shitty move against the customers to sell them base features on the side. How is this difficult to grasp?
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i also dislike that bllod and gore is dlc, but as a german i see why they did it

currently tww is fsk 12, blood and gore would definetely be fsk18, but dlc arent rated

they simply cant add it in the basegame because it would fucking kill theri sales
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>>147136624

There's no random either to kholeks lightning bolt as far as I'm aware. The AI will attempt to dodge spells if they aren't locked down in combat though.

Any spell with random/semi random movement should be skipped, though.
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>>147136805
But why do they have to charge for it?

Mention one other game that does that.
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>Conquer Anywhere Mod
>Start playing a Vamp campaign because blood knights why not
>Get to Turn 70 and Chaos rears its ugly head, along with Norscan
>Empire, which was doing its thing along with the Dwarves and other Factions of Men falling in power turn by turn
>Don't think anything of it
>Ten turns later and the only factions that remain in the North are the dwarves with one settlement and one faction of Men
>Norscan Tribes have taken all of Empires land, and Chaos has razed everything else
>Show up at Manny's doorstep and shit on everything

Well, thats a mistake. Norscan has around 6 or Doomstacks each and Chaos has 3 or 4 that I can see and I havent even seen Archaon yet.

Mod was going swell until this shit. Is there a way to disable the Norscan from settling outside of the North?
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>>147136883
yeah thats a fair point

they probably do it because they can, no reason other than that

i know its shitty for the consumer, but as long as people are going to buy it, they will keep on doing
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>>147136883

Because under a lot of regional laws a free patch does not register as a separate product.
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>>147136583
MTW 2 had blood tho.
But only when soldiers get hit by missiles or artillery and they would get covered in blood.
Meele didnt cause blood to spill out.
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>>147136624
no the only reliable spells in the game right now are direct damage (spirit leech, fate of bjuna etc), even missiles got nerfed the fuck out by being really really innaccurate (less than 50%) vortex spells and AoE spells are inconsistent as hell, only burning head is good right now desu
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>>147136948
see
>>147136974
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>>147136895
>wants conquer anywhere
>complains when enemies conquer anywhere
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>>147136987
It's been quite a few years since I last played it and I can't remember blood.
Gonna play is some day I guess and check if there's really blood but tbqh I don't care about it anyway
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>>147136710

>I am this oblivious to the extreme amount of jumping through hoops companies go through for rating boards in almost every variety of consumed media.

Pretty certain at least one soldier of fortune game had to fight from getting an AO rating. Pretty bad example.
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i wish vortex spells were as efficient as they are on the tabletop
>tfw wipe out my friend's elite unit and general with a single Curse of da bad moon and dont even be sorry that he failed all his initiative tests
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>>147136974
Is there a limit for the price? Such as a mock price as 1 cent?
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>>147136895
You're a fag and deserve nothing less, fuck off
>>
Does anyone actually buy physical pc games anymore?

Age rating is irrelevant when buying a game online, yet CA obsess over it.
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>>147136895
>Is there a way to disable the Norscan from settling outside of the North?
You want conquer all or not? Disabling one faction from conquering everywhere just makes you an eternal shitter
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>>147137139
>>147137075
I don't mind the AI conquering places and its no big deal if even the main factions can do it, but I'm pretty sure trying to win any campaign with this mod is impossible if this shit happens. By turn 70 its nigh impossible to field enough armies or have enough resources to combat 12 doom stacks.
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>>147137046
well i didnt know that

but still 10 cents would also technically not be free, see >>147137128
>>147137151
well most adults dont, but i often see children begging their parents for games the few times im in stores
but i think physical sales are more popular on consoles anyway
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>>147137216
Then don't use the mod, it's shit anyway.
Regional occupation is one of the best things in WH
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>>147137128

Not in the states, but then of course you do get into any minimum cuts from publisher and distributer now that it's something being charged for. Even ignoring that we know from data mining that this is actually post release content and not just on disc dlc like say WoC were.
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>>147137216
Then you gotta expand faster, this game is just not cut out to have conquer anywhere, its too fast paced and the AI not having the limits the player has make it get out of control.
They dont have public order ravaging them.
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>>147136895

how about you either stick to the lore and don't have conquer anywhere, or you accept that conquer anywhere means CONQUER ANYWHERE, and you have shit taste for even installing it.
>>
So, Linux version of Warhammer Total War when?
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Who said that Skaven wasn't in the game. Because these fuckers are literally Skaven. Endless in numbers and fucking rats.
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Karl the absolute madman did it
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>>147137552
>fighting in skaeling lands
you've disturbed the hive
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Is there any way to make my units aggressive? When I use that group attack move half my army just gets to their destination then doesn't do anything unless they get attacked by a melee unit.
WoC so no ranged except the cavalry, and I need to save them to chase down the enemies cavalry at the end of every match.
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>>147137503

It'll come out at around the same time that the windows 95 version comes out
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just refunded the blood and gore dlc after coming to my senses
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>>147137846
good for you
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>>147137846

Cool. Do you want a fucking award or something, you self important prick?
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>>147137282
But if they get more sales from cutting blood they should be able to cover up the distribution costs with a large margin.

It's even worse that they don't include blood from the disc. They made their previous games with blood, why not the new ones?

It's like stopping to code blood for Battlefield because "it doesn't need blood, it's just a shooter"
>>
>>147137846

I'm sure CA will go bankrupt after your refund.

You're really stickin' it to the man, anon, I'm sure MLK would be proud
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>>147137890
thank you

>>147137904
the ''common sense'' award would be fitting
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>>147137904
Cool attitude. Do you want a fucking award or something, you self important prick?

Go back and hide in your office at CA. If you don't happen to have one you are one of gamings largest current cancers
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>>147136445
i just bail from all the north nonsense it sucks in the begining
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>>147137109
It's gonna take a lot to make vortex spells good in this game. The damage potential is modified in a weird way by unit mass, because units getting knocked down (or sucked up in the case of purple sun) apparently don't take damage, which effectively gives light troops high resistance to vortexes. Cav also takes little damage because of the higher unit spacing.
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>>147137967
cancer
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>>147137941
>They made their previous games with blood

Only M2, I wouldn't say that the dead sprites in S1 and M1 count for much.
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>>147137846
Cool, what you're gonna do with your autism bucks now?
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>every single warhammer game has gore
>CA decides to now charge for it

yes yes good goy
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Do you think any of the wood elfs will be modeled after Christy Mack?
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>>147137846
I dont blame you, CA's idea of blood amounts to spraying people with thick globs of red paint

Especially ironic in a Warhammer setting where such poor application of colour is looked down upon.
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>>147138235
I guess the whole Total War thing is new to you, but don't worry you'll get it eventually
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Are we invaded by CA employees or are people really this retarded? Why are you guys defending corrupt business practice?
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>>147138279
What is this disgusting thing?
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>>147138285
>>147138334

>they think it's CA's fault and not SEGA's
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>>147138334
No, we are invaded by /v/ like every time something releases. Kindly fuck off.
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>>147137846
where you drugged before or what? Do you have no control over your senses?
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>>147138279
>also has reference pictures in battle worn conditions

This could work
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>>147138318
been playing TW since medieval 1 you rat
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>>147138376
Hi SEGA
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>>147138334
What corrupt business practice?
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>>147138382
I had a moment of madness and listened the shills on here. I assure you it'll never happen again.
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>all that dlc shit flinging
finally the End Times of /twg/ have come
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>>147138318
>things has been bad for a while (blood dlc business practice)
>things should always be bad
gg
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>>147138414
I truly feel sorry for you
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>>147138462
Selling core features. A game with vampires without blood, monsters ripping people apart without blood, a unit called "Blood Knights" without blood

I applaud you CA
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>>147138406
been playing TW since 1889 you kid
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>>147138334

Do explain why we are "really this retarded"? Because we paid the meager price for a small cosmetic DLC? You are aware that the blood DLC also contains new animations, gore giblets and new textures.

Unless you prefer actual micro-transactions, this is the better option.

>b-but it should have been included in the main game!!!

Perhaps. But it wasn't, and now you have the option of getting the blood, which also adds a bunch of new animations. It's not "corrupt business practice", it is simply how the game industry works now. If you don't do micro-transactions, you need to put out small packs of something to keep sustaining the game. Sales alone don't cover for the costs of maintaining a staff to work on a game after it's release.
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>>147138497
at least you have sympathy when you skin your customers
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>muh grafix are a core feature or the game

You guys should wait for the poorfag weekend and write angry steam reviews.
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>core features
ALL THIS FUCKING TALK ABOUT CORE FEATURES, TELL WHAT THE CORE FEATURES OF TW ARE GOD DAMMIT
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>>147138550
How does it feel to be unintelligent? To be unable to see the context of things and judge the big picture? Continually complaining about the wrong things?
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>tfw my toaster can hardly run the game on the lowest settings
>feel no obligations to add aesthetics to water-painting graphics
heh...
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daily reminder that you're not allowed to say negative things about CA.
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>Fight against Kislev as Chaos
>Chosen vs crossbowmen 1v1 in melee
>Crossbowmen win
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>>147138596
>Sales alone don't cover for the costs of maintaining a staff to work on a game after it's release.

That depends on how well a game sells.
This one is a best seller, so no, they dont need the extra money to cover staff.
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>>147138669
This, in the winter i'm going to be able to heat my house with my crappy lappy playing this.
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>>147138596
I don't give a shit about the blood dlc. Blood should have been in from the beginning. A giant pounding a helpless soldiers to the ground should include blood.

Yes it's a shit business. And if we don't complain nothing will change. Why people even DEFEND them (some are clearly CA, they do browse this page as with many others) is beyond me. This type of psychology is very much human though, and the reason why nations like North Korea exists
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>>147138683
You are allowed to. It just has to be valid complaints.
>Poor magic implementation
>Poor MP balance
>Fucked up agents and Norscan spam
Valid complaints

>Blood DLC
Not a valid complaint.
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>>147138696
stop posting tw content and shitpost about blood dlc
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>>147138746
>tfw summer is literally suffering
>after midnight with my window open and my fan going full fucking blast
>live in canada
>drenched in sweat
but at least I can play some games
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>>147138778
>poor magic implementation
lower unit sizes. Also forgivable because it's an entirely new feature.
>poor mp balance
not an argument
>fucked up agent and norscan spam
get good

You're not allowed to criticise CA.
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>>147138669

Army of chaos exists out of aesthetic faggots that don't know how to fight, all their gear looks so impractical.

Just grab onto their horned helmets and slam them into the ground.
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>>147138778
>responding
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>Brought into the Blood and Gore meme

I like it :^)
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Every time
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>>147138763
>some are clearly CA, they do browse this page as with many others
How fucking delusional are you
>>147138683
blood is not a cure feature seeing as it hasnt been included in a TW game, ever
Not that the retards care
>>147138550
>>147138334
>>147138235
i would quote more but there are too many of them
Ahem

Please go to leddit and after bitching over there, kill yourselves you fucking autistic nigger kikes
I hope you die in a fucking fire
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How do I make my Night Goblin fanatics do the twirly ball attack?
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>>147138890
>le tired I GRAB ONTO HEIR HELMET meme

Armchair fighters are the worst
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is there any good dwarf artillery? The organ guns are hot trash
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>>147138580

Well, hey there gramps!
How's that 'heroic slaughtering of spear-wielding savages with machineguns and rifles' coming along?
Got any new stories or is 'that time when a vicious & sharp mango fruit jumped at me from a tall tree' still your most exciting adventure story ever?
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>>147138951
>i have never played REAL total war games
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>>147138898
I need something to do, and I can't start my own shitposting storm while someone else has one going already.
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>>147137151
Didn't CA say yesterday that 20% of their customers could be affected by the age rating change?
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>>147139024
CA says a lot of shit.
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>>147138951
>blood is not a core feature in a game where people get smashed by dragons and stab each other to death

explain why
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>>147139061
They're the only source we have.
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>>147138890
It's a fantasy setting, more specifically its fucking warhammer, looking impractical and over the top is kind of the theme.
>don't know how to fight
m8
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why is chaos so shit ?

worst mp faction
worst campaign
hardest questbattles

im really glad i got it for free otherwise it would have been a waste of money
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>pegi 16
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>>147139071
Because gameplay is not affected in the slightest, now on to the next question
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There's more blood in the comments here than in the DLC. But I suppose that's fitting, as a substandard game deserves substandard content.

That said, I am no pleb - and will not settle for a mediocre game nor a mediocre general. After browsing my options it looks like /gsg/ is the place to be, with content, discussion, and more than one thing to look forward to every 2 months.
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>>147139081
How the fuck are they tracking the ages of their player base? Is having underage players really desirable for a game like this?
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>>147138934
Can we post anime again?!
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>>147138890
to be fair, they certainly don't know how to fight cost-efficiently .

but the horned helms have always been nice symbolically, if not historically accurate or practical.
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>>147138890
Anon..
>>147138959
this desu.
>>147138980
MP? idk
in single player organ gun is good, on the battlefield but also autoresolve really likes them for some reason
>>147139024
they said 25% i think but i dont think its a completely accurate number, more like an estimate
>>147139002
>R E A L total war games
As in? Please tell me about how in rome 1 and shogun 1 people were torn in half and blood sprayed all over the place
Putting on a little bit of a bloodied texture onto units after they fight for a while doesnt count
>>147139071
Tell me then, in how many total war games has blood, crushing, being torn apart etc etc, all the gore stuff been included on release?
This is a total war game first and warhammer game second
fucking retard
Blood is not a core feature of a total war game
>>147139161
Once an enemy unit moves into close proximity to a night goblin unit with fanatics in it, the fanatics will jump out of the unit and towards the enemy
They do hit your own units though, if there are some in the way
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>>147139179
No anime in /twg/
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>>147139179
Yes
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>>147139237
Oh so I have no control over it? That sucks.

kk thanks
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>>147139169
Market research

>Is having underage players really desirable for a game like this?

As long as their buying it, I guess so.
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>>147139179
>>147139269
stupid samefag
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>>147139237
>tw has never had free blood
>uh those don't count because blood effects, unlike the rest of the game, could never ever improve and should stagnate at the way it is
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>>147139179
100 posts left till bump limit
post anime, it doesn't matter anymore anyway
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>>147139293
having retarded kids swarming over a game is reason enough to turn off potential customers.
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>>147139350
>those nipples
I swear that shit is overwhelmingly disturbing for me. It's like I'm triggered by it for some reason.
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>>147139131
>hardest questbattles
How is this bad? Challenge is fun, and most other quest battles are really fucking easy. Also, only Sigvald's battles are actually challenging. Archaon's are moderately difficult, and Kholek's battle is piss easy as long as you have anything better than basic units.

I liked the campaign too, but I can see why other people don't.
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>>147139310
no u
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>>147139179
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>>147139413
It's because it's pedophilia.
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>>147139369
Not when they're the main target audience. Let's not even try to kid ourselves, most players approach TW for the first time well before they hit 20, it's not like it's some super refined niche for mature players.
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>>147139169
>>147139293
what company doesnt want to have more customers ?
they sure as hell dont care about your age aslong as you give them shekel
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>>147139293
Bullshit. You're expecting me to believe that players under the age of 16 make up 20% of a strategy game? Total war doesn't even sell that bad mind.
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>>147139369
As long as they stay in their containment area of TWC, we should be fine.
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ELF POSTING NOW!
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Can based Boris do it?
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>>147139475
>main target audience
>no blood
>remove anything that would be PG13+

Wow I can't see how this would turn off regular players
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>>147139416
>tfw chaos is my favourite faction
>tfw didn't even know sigvalds quest battles were supposed to be hard
>just blow through everything
what do people have troubles with? i'm by no means a total war savant. I got my ass plastered by the historical battles in other games.
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>>147139523
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>>147139501
I'm not expecting you to believe, but CA have given the figure, and it's the only number we can go on. You can shout and and deny it all you want, but at the end of the day you have no way to refute it.

>>147139547
He's fucked m8, Norscans are 5x more based than he is.
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>>147139547
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>>147139282
well you can run a night goblin unit with fanatics in it towards an enemy unit and kind of "manually" launch them that way
Its the same way on the table top but i kind of wished there would have been a button for launching them
>>147139313
if CA wanted they could have made blood spray around in those older games but they didnt
because that would raise the rating up to M
Adding a red-ish texture onto units isnt comparable to blood spraying like it does in this blood dlc, and in shogun 2 etc.
Now if total war games had always had blood spraying etc etc without it being dlc then it would be a "core feature"
but it isnt
if you think that CA didnt have the ability to make blood spray similar to what we have today in the past then you're a fucking retard. They simply decided not to
i shouldnt even bother replying to you but hey here you go, someone finally recognizes that you exist, congrats
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>>147138712

Best seller in comparison to what? Total War has always been a niche genre, and Warhammer was by far the most expensive game to make in the series so far. A best seller, and the fastest seller is only taking the base value, it doesn't account for all the refunds people will make. Especially on Steam now, considering how easy it is.
So, until we see how much it cost to make - and the full sales figures, only then can one assume it covered it all. Then there's the added royalty needed to pay to Games Workshop which reduces more income to themselves. Then further delegating money over to the other TW projects.

In the end, once all is said and done - there's honestly not that big of a profit, I'd probably wager.

>>147138763

>I don't give a shit about the blood dlc. Blood should have been in from the beginning. A giant pounding a helpless soldiers to the ground should include blood.

Then by proxy, you do care about the blood DLC. I don't disagree with you entirely, but I do also know how the industry works, so, I can't blame them.

>Yes it's a shit business. And if we don't complain nothing will change.

People have been complaining since the beginning of the DLC-age about DLCs and it's only grown bigger since. Complaining isn't going to get in the way of greed - and more importantly, keeping people employed. Had the DLC been a lot more expensive - okay. I would understand the 'uproar', but it's literally cheaper than a freshly baked loaf of bread in most places.

>>147138550
>Selling core features.

Of the 6 warscape installments, blood and gore has only been a 'core feature' in 2 of them. So no, it's not a 'core feature'.
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>>147139310
BTFO KEK
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>>147139416
well i dislike the hard battles because it forces you to heal afterwards, stealing millions of turns

i dont dislike the campaign idea, just the execution
infight attrition and no resupply bonus anywhere except norsca make it a chore rather than fun
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Post floppy hats
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>>147139558
"Regular players" can be a detriment to the community as a whole when they start being insufferable whiners that will bitch and moan at every step taken by the series. Look at TWC and even warhammer itself.
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>>147139646
units getting a red texture after fighting doesnt constitute "blood and gore" desu
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>>147139523
MERMAIDS NOW
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>>147139646
>total war is niche

stopped reading there
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>>147139683
Too floppy!
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>>147139737
it is though
are you a fucking retard?
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so if blood and gore isn't what they teased with the moonrunes, when is that dlc coming out?
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>>147139683
that will be £2 for the floppy hat DLC thank you
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>>147139559
The sliverslash quest was kinda brutal when I did it with mid tier units. I won on my first try, but took a lot more losses than I usually do. If you had top tier units or played below very hard I get why you didn't find it hard. The Auric armor was easier, but it actually required some good tactics to avoid excessive losses.

>>147139664
It doesn't take many turns to heal if you walk to the battle. The healing rate in norsca/chaos wastes is pretty high, and you can move 75% of your max and still encamp.
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>>147139646
CA are the largest and most successful games developer in the UK, they probably don't have issues with paying their employees, especially with all the expansion they've seen the last few years.

They can afford to build up an entire team to make Battles: Kingdom for fuck sake.
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So we're all in agreement then? TW:W was not only the blunder of the century, but CA is also BTFO and on suicide watch? Yes?
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>>147139768
Rome 2, despite being fucking garbage constantly topped steam's top 10 most played.
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>>147139735
that's just some bitch with weird ears.

might as well be an elf
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>>147139737

It's much more niche than the traditional RTS genre, and even the much more popular RTS genre suffers.
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>>147139829
If the recent activity blog is anything to go by, TWWH has exceeded expectations and they're actually expanding the content of the second game because of all the new money.
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>>147139646
They're in profit, big titles almost always make money. Assuming they sell 1 million games at £40 each thats obviously 40 million. Consider they sold 1 million copies in the first week...
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>>147139864
>the traditional RTS genre
Wake up Picard, traditional RTS died like 10 years ago
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>>147139818
yeah but by the time i have the units needed to win quest battles i have long left the north, so walking us no option
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>>147139864
What the fuck are you talking about? TW is by far the best selling strategy/RTS series.
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>>147139897
So we're in agreement then? TW:W was the greatest decision CA ever made, and Games Workshop deleting Warhammer Fantasy Battle from their lineup was the Blunder of the Century, and the Wizards of the Coast have been BTFO, and on suicide watch? Yes?
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It's magic and shit.
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Alright /twg/, looks like summer has hit the thread hard

I'll be back in September when the autismos, summerfags etc. are back in school, twc and leddit

Stay strong, those among you who are fellow understanders of strategy. Trve roman bread and all that.
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>>147139931
It takes like 5 turns to force march up there unless you're down in the badlands, which is bad planning. Your other armies can do fine on their own while you fetch your item. Worst case you have to merge some units if you absolutely want to teleport.
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>>147139985
Even though I'm quite the AoS fan, it does seem like a mistake on GW's part, even though the TWWH trilogy was built as the big send-off of Warhammer Fantasy, it's obviously going to attract people looking for the same models.

Even if the models are the same, they're going to be for a different setting with a different name.
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Things that make me go "hmmm"

When playing as neither Dwarf nor Greenskin: Dwarfs destroy the Greenskins and establish a Great Eastern Mountain Caliphate
When playing as Dwarfs: Getting steamrolled by Grimgor the Dawifucker every time ._.
When playing as Greenskins: Smashing Dwarfs relatively easily early on even before dealing with the Savage Oorcs

What is it that makes AI Dwarfs so dominant over AI Greenskins in campaigns?
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>>147140202
idk, maybe quarrelers are stronk in autoresolve
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>>147140124
>Even though I'm quite the AoS fan
Explain you'reself at once. What's the appeal?
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>>147140264
It's WHFB but without the 150 page rule bloat.
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>>147140262
dwarf warrior mass is actually fairly strong in autoresolve, if not less-so in actual battle
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>>147140054
yeah in theory

but like in my current vh game, im on turn 80 standing aroznd kislev with one high tier army with archaon, 1 mid tier sigvald and one low tier kholek

even my main army isnt good enough for the questbattles at this point, while also being needed to attack capital settlements

maybe i also just suck at battles though
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>>147140020
Later senpai
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>>147093971
Peace and quit in a settlement
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>>147140383
I think you need to get better at battles. High tier army with Archaon should win his quests with casualties that can be replenished in 2-3 turns in the wastes.
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>>147139818
>tfw play on legendary sigvald as my first legendary campaign
what about the silverlash got you?
i guess i didn't really focus on it, and in turn seemed more like an afterthought, so I had a few chosen units by that point.
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>>147140525
My chaos warriors got chewed up by all the Forsaken and the enemy cav (can't remember what type) was really annoying. My best units were some knights (no lances), no chosen. I didn't lose any units, but some had like 20 left.
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>>147139825

You are fully aware that they share the tiny little island with behemoths like Rockstar, Warner Brothers gaming division and Ubisoft, yes? They're barely scraping in on a top 5 list of biggest developers.

>They can afford to build up an entire team to make Battles: Kingdom for fuck sake.

Mobile games get massive funding from a bunch of mobile game companies usually. They likely don't need to put much forth to get a team together there, since they showed a mobile prototype of Shogun 2 back when smartphones became a thing, so they obviously have a functional Warscape engine for mobiles already, and that's the most time-consuming part.

>>147139905

The usual count is that at least 15% of the people will refund the game, probably higher percentage now with Steam being as refund-accessible as it is. Then we add onto the 8% royalties for the license of the Warhammer Fantasy Universe, and likely another 8% for title alone because royalty laws are fucking stupid. That's ~31% of your profit in the first month gone - and after the first month, your sales dramatically decrease until there is some big content update. That's not even taking into account the share that Sega will take to other projects they're working on. Suddenly it's not that big anymore.


But, I will add as an addendum to both replies that, I'm of course not entirely certain of what kind of deal they might've struck with GW, and Sega. Just the general numbers though.
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>>147140694
>You are fully aware that they share the tiny little island with behemoths like Rockstar, Warner Brothers gaming division and Ubisoft, yes? They're barely scraping in on a top 5 list of biggest developers.

Those three studios are side-studios, they're not the main headquarters of the development teams for the entire company.
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>>147140680
what kind of chaos warriors were they? the great weapons variant put in a lot of work if I remember it right.

yeah I guess for the most part though, having a few units of chosen to steroid-inject your army's backbone goes a long way. I think I also had a few forsaken and chaos spawns of my own.
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>>147140680
>My chaos warriors got chewed up by all the Forsaken

Fuck that quest.
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>>147139905
>taxes don't exist
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>>147140817
It was mostly basic warriors, with only a few GW ones. Sigvald was the 3rd lord I recruited so he got all the outdated units from Archaon and Kholek. Chosen really help a lot towards making a solid army that can take on anything, so it was probably the lack of them that made it hard.
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>can't specialise your Chaos forces to certain Gods like Nurgle or Khorne.

I mean, Chaos Undivided is neat and all but they still could have at least added shit like Plaguebearers or Daemonettes.
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>>147141195
Mods do that
>>
>play VC
>the enemy shatters
>send your bats after them
>stack up all your injured units
>overcast invocation of nehek
is this feeling that of "euphoria"
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>>147141195
Daemons of Chaos is its own separate major army
So unless you would have wanted to wait another month or two for them to add in yet another faction, im fine with them not being in yet
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>>147139237
stop calling people names when arguing, you really are putting yourself in a bad light.
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>Kemmlar's first objective of his first quest requires a wight king in his army.
>Wight Kings are only recruited from tier 4 specialist buildings.

Who thought this was a good idea?
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Is there any empire arty that's just not worth? Please /twg/ before I do anything stupid answer this. It could save my campaign
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>>147142079
Aren't they recruited from the skeleton buildings?
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>>147140996
Chaos Spawn are so cool, and handy too
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>>147142105

they all are kinda cool, veterancy makes even the shittiest artillery into a deathmachine, so dont worry about it.
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>>147142105

Cannons are bretty gud.
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>>147142285
Thanks man!
Would you recommend mortars now or wait 6turns for hellstorms?

Currently fighting 3 savage orc stacks on Legendary
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>>147142105
What the hell? The Empire has the artillery in the game.

Even mortars (your "basic" art unit) kick ass. I even use mortars over rockets because I love the sound mortars make.
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>>147142141
Nope, they require a Lodestone of Darkness, the last building in the tree, costing more than 7000 gold and taking half a dozen turns to build (Not including all the growth city upgrades and tree progression to get to it).

It's ridiculous, made even moreso by the fact that the second objective of that quest line only asks for 4 units of grave guard to be in his army.

It's like the writing team had no interaction with any of the core design teams.
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>>147142389

mortars are great, hellstorm just shoots even more per gun. Savage orcs basically have no armor at all so both are good choices being anti-infantry, the mortar is more accurate though.
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>>147142493
You think that's bad? Thorgrim's first quest requires you to have two gyrocopters in his army. A unit that requires a tier 5 building to get.
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>>147142586
Fucking hell CA.
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What should my early objectives be as the Greenskins?
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>>147142636

to fight :^)
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>>147142636
>>147142684

I've had the most fun playing Greenskins that way. Don't think too much about painting the map. If someone trespasses in your territory, stomp 'em. Win? Follow them home and burn it down. Move on. Take cities when you can but don't overextend and be absolutely sure to maintain and take advantage of the Waaagh. Fuck savage orcs early if you get a chance. If you can't make friends with them, they're a bigger pain in the ass than any of the others.
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>>147142586
Thats fucking nothing, Azhag's helmet requires you to have an endgame army just to finish it

A helmet you're supposed to have early game
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>>147142634
DELETE THIS
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>>147142389
Mortars are great en-masse.
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>>147142836
>snipe big bads with archers
>buttfuck necromancer with anything
>win
>>147142494
Mortars feel more effective but when looking at post-battle killcounts, i always have mortar at like 50-100 and helstorms 150+

A big plus for the mortar though is being able to shoot into a melee relatively safely
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>>147142105
They are all good

Mortars; Can lob. Which means they are the only arty in the game that can actually be used to fire into a crowd of your + enemies units and not KO your entire army

Cannons; godlike vs armored/monsters. Can break a giant before it reaches your line.

Missiles; Stronger than mortars, but cant lob, so you have to be more careful on placement

Volley; was shit, is now fairly good but only against heavily armored units like Black Orcs, Chosen, Greatswords ect. Can pierce through units so using them on a chokepoint is when they are best (i.e. castle gate)
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>>147097717
You can defo use it for some sympathy shags though bro.
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>>147142105
Did someone say arty
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>>147142836
This, otherwise you cant fucking use spells with him

That makes Azhag worthless
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>>147143316
I love clips of arty and ranged volleys
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>>147143363
Ill have to make a new one of the volley cannon, since it actually kills shit now
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>>147101661
Makes my 970 run the game like I feel it should.
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>>147143509
I have one of the pre-patch one, obviously failing to kill shit
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>>147101661
>Windows 10
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What's better, Vampires or Wight Kings?
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>>147143804
>>147143804
>>147143804
NEW
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>>147143794
Vampires for lore of death
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>>147143794
Vampires if you wanna cast magic, Wight Kings if you have other use for the mana, like spamming Nehek.
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>>147097717
Harsh
Bro
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>>147138890
>>Just grab onto their horned helmets and slam them into the ground.
>>Trying to manhandle a 500 pound berserker granted super human strength by demon magic.
Good luck with that.
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