/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

Behold the power of mouse and keyboard.
https://youtu.be/Z2ELHUsMnnE?t=38m10s
Along with the best combo.
@38:10

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hHKp1GL2tY

Does "adjusted weapons efficiency" point more to a damage buff or damage nerf? I need the crescent moon sword to be better than what it is so unless they pop S scaling on it but reduce the damage it won't be the only thing that'll make it viable is damage buff and the scaling

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>>147053854
>sl 200

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>>147053854
yawn

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>mfw the last 3 guys I invaded all disconnected on me when they started losing

wew lad

>>147054121
there has to be a penalty for doing that
its getting ridiculous

*throws all 40 throwing knives at you*
*points down*

>>147054164
There is.

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>faith builds will finally get a weapon with a fast, spammable projectile effectively removing the main weakness of faith builds compared to sorcerers and pyromancers
>will be able to fit in more miracles with stake having 1 slot cost
so who is making a cleric right now

>>147054121

If it makes you feel any better, when I get invaded I never disconnect as soon as I'm losing.

As soon as I see your invasion notice appear, I disconnect.

>>147053854
Get SRB+2 instead of RoB+2, replace soul spear with crystal soul spear, soul flash with focus souls and add soul shower.
If you're going all raw then replace MCR instead of RoB+2.

>there's people that think dark souls 3 is a good game

What's your favorite emote, anon?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QeuW6WB4e5k

>>147054257
No need, already have a 60 Faith build
IT CAN ONLY GO UPHILL FROM HERE

>>147054229
*wastes all 5 undead hunter's charms on you and still misses*
*chugs*

>>147054257
I was going to mace a 15 fth 40 str build or something but I'm seriously reconsidering a full caster

>>147054416
Menes aside, well, what is it, is very good. I also like shrug, DaS1 no item gesture and roar.

I'd rather they nerf the running R1 animation of katanas, and the Carthus Curved Sword rather than nerfing Dark Sword and Hornet Ring.

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>dark sword nerf
But why? All it had going for it was good damage, and even with that it was one of the worst straight swords in the game because all its other properties sucked absolute ass.

Anyone have spare ghru weapons they're willing to part with?
Standing at the high wall of lothric bonfire.
Pass:poison
Platform: PC

>>147054917
It's the longest straight sword in the game and 1hr1 is all you ever need.

>>147054917
>best range
>best damage output
>best at catching rolls
>he thinks its ass

talking like a true dark sword scrub

>>147054973
>they should nerf it because it's effective

I thought Lothric Knight SS was longer and had superior moveset?

>>147054917
fuck off shitter

>>147054257
I've been out of the loop, what changed for faith?

This new patch is a step in the right direction but it's still not enough to make me come back, I'm waiting for DLC/until poise is fixed.

>>147054917
It'd be better to call it a fix than a nerf, the range on the hitbox is larger than the model would suggest.

>>147054257
>yfw lothric's sword gets damage off faith but the scaling is D

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Daily gentle reminder that you'll never fight the real Ornstein, the best dragonslayer there ever was.

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>>147055085
new patch will add proper int and faith scaling for some weapons like holy wolnir sword and lothric sword plus stake takes only one slot so on full 35 ATT faith caster you can fit sunlight spear, stake, storm AND top tier healing miracle all at once

>>147055068
So now all shitters will move to it, i guess.

>>147055119
>until poise is fixed
poise was fixed from the start

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>>147054917

>this fucking post

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>>147053791
>Gundyr and Dancer on the same level as the Crystal Sage

Who the fuck made this graph? Also

>Ancient Wyvern at 0
Probably should give it a 2. The path to him contains the real boss of the arena

>>147055224
Free reply.

>everyone and their grandma using twinblades
woowee amazing game

>>147053782
>the fight between them takes longer than any other because passive play
>CGS guy was still the only one to keep up woth that guy

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So what's the deal again with heavy armor in DaS3? Only thing I spotted glancing around was that poise doesn't work

>>147055338
Heavy armor defences are worthless, light armor is nearly as good for a fraction of the weight. And because poise doesn't work at all, that means the Vitality/Equipload stat is nearly useless aside from fashion.

>>147055221
They'll go Carthus Curved Sword probably.

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>Greatsword of Judgement: increased attack power.

It's time to cosplay Sully, bois. It's good now.

>>147055272
>sticking around long enough to get hit by chain snake
There's your problem

>>147055338
Given how poise is useless, heavy armor gives awful diminishing returns for ABS per Vit. It's so bad that if you pick any heavy armor build, transfer all vit levels into vig and get the best armor you can still carry, you get more survivability.

>>147055338
Poise works as intended

I'm tired of this fucking meme being spread around. Just became you guys are too shit to understand what it does, doesn't mean that it holds no use

>>147055272
Sounds about right, gundyr, dancer and the sage are equally as easy as each other.

>>147055195
Is he dead, the drake, or travelling somewhere?

>>147055513
This. Vig's softcap of 27 is also quite low compared to other Souls games which allows for more effective minmaxing for good survivability with the Life Ring+3 so you can boost your damage stats instead.

>>147055557
Why don't (You) explain how it works instead of shitposting then?
You won't though.

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>>147055478

Wait, are patchnotes out?

>>147055557
>Just became you guys are too shit to understand what it does
are you retarded, what do you think poise did in the previous game?

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Post webms you beautiful bastards.

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I just can't for the life of me kill Yellowfinger Heysel when she invades me.
How do I best this yellow chucklefuck.

Are demon's fists any good?

>>147055830
The next patch is reducing their 'weight'. Considering that all fist weapons need buffs, I'd say don't use them. If you're on a pyro build, the Witch's Locks are excellent to use instead.

>>147055810
Pop a seed.

>>147055810
>Equip SS
>Spam
>Spam more
>dodge obvious wind up to farron hail
>back off when she two-hands
All there is to it

>>147055830
Yes.
They're basically strength-based cestus without perseverance.

>reach kalameet 2.0
>2 npc summons
>summon abbess
>her bolts do like 10 damage
>dies
>die
>go again alone
>down on first (second) try
is this normal? i thought dragons were weak to lightning

>>147055890
How do I use the locks? Everything but the WA has bad damage or speed.

>>147055789
>reposting his >I've seen this on reddit character

>>147055936
Don't summon for Sinh. He's got retardedly high magic defence too.

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>>147055810
>run up ladder to wolf
>wait for her to follow
>pancake
brovit

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>>147053791
>Yhorm, Wolnir and Deacons are all 1
>Wyvern zero

>>147055936
DaS2 NPCs do no damage to bosses. They're just stylish damage sponges for players that can't handle aggro.

You can use them against human invader, though. All NPCs get a massive damage boost against invaders, while still having thousands upon thousands of HP. They're nigh-unkillable short of knocking off a ledge, and Feeva's lightning spear will do like 900 damage to an invader if it clips them.

>>147055297
adapt

>>147056067
Too bad the AI it's retarded as shit

>All shield-piercing weapons: added shield-piercing properties to regular attacks
NOTHING

>>147056067
>forgetting Jester Thomas

>>147056067
>All NPCs get a massive damage boost against invaders
What? No they don't. I fought glencour countless times and he always did piss poor damage even in low levels belltowers.
Punishing estus while he is around is a big pain, and he is actually unbeateable, but his aggressive capabilities are 0.

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>>147055983

in ds3 do ng+ rings increase pvp level like reinforced weapons do? or can i safely have things like life ring+3 and ring of favor+2 at lvl 80 and still invade low levels if i haven't upgraded any weapon?

>>147056381
No, you can still semi-twink with the good rings.

>>147056381
>can i safely have things like life ring+3 and ring of favor+2 at lvl 80 and still invade low levels if i haven't upgraded any weapon?
yep

>>147056434
>>147056421
neat, what about boss weapons reinforced to +5, do those count as normal +10?

>>147056381
The lowest level 80 can invade is 72.
At 72 you can safely assume everyone has at least a +7 weapon, which is in range to be invaded by +10.

>>147056483
Yes. Twinkling/Scale reinforced weapons count as double the normal amount for matchmaking purposes, so a +1 boss weapon counts as a +2 titanite weapon, etc.

>>147056506
>>147056552
alright, thanks

>>147056506
72 is also the ideal level to stay, because you can be invaded by SL80 and invade up to 99, avoiding most metashittery.

>>147055195
>the real Ornstein
>unhollow Gwyn
>b4 abyss Artorias
>real Bishop Havel
>Wolnir in its prime
is there more?

>>147054973
>>147054979
>>147055080
>>147054917
>being this delusional
Lmao. You just think dark sword is good because of the PTSD you have from all the laggy scrubs that beat you with it and retards that keep spouting the same shit all over the internet. It has the worst moveset and less phantom range and real range than other straight swords. And it takes the most stamina so it's not even that good for R1 spamming.

Dark sword is literally a reddit meme and has always been a shit weapon.

Yes?
https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/50435

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>>147053791
How do people find Homo Princes hard? if you help someone with them as a phantom you quickly learn that Lorian is incredibly easy to dodge and Lothric is a meme

Kick staggers people who roll and ignores roll invincibility.
You can combo kick into r1 of any weapon, but it would have an effect that averages the damage, so highly damaging weapon would only do a little more than a weak one.
Would you like that?

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>>147056653
unhollow KING

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>>147056421

>''semi''-twink

>>147056815
>playing on easy mode

>>147056815
God this makes me so happy. Shitting on ganking scrubs who need their summons to get through the level is just fantastic.

>>147056883
(You)

>>147056654
>It has the worst moveset and less phantom range and real range than other straight swords.
All of these are completely and demonstratably false.
Its range is 2nd only to Gotthard's, and less by exactly 8%. It has the same R1s as every other SS and its unique R2s have hyperarmor without being charged, making it the only weapon with a HA normal attack 1H smaller than a curved greatsword.

The only attack of dubious usefulness in its moveset is the WA, and straightsword WAs are already of dubious usefulness in competent duels.

It's the best non-paired straightsword in range and damage

ayoooo wassup were da wymyn at?

>>147056653
witches of izalith pre-treeing
vendrick pre-hollowing
Farrons undead legion as the actual legion

>>147056883
Being a menace is what invading is all about. It's not about being challenged, it's about being a challenge. In intruding into a host's world as an insurmountable enemy, you enrich their gameplay experience, either by becoming a barrier that prevents them from trivializing the game through summons, or by becoming an obstacle that could only possibly be overcome with the help of allies and encouraging co-operative play.

Either way, the host has the tools at his disposal to counter you if necessary, and it's up to you to become enough of a threat that the host is forced to use those tools, thus giving them more out of their time playing Dark Souls 3.

>>147057159
Dragonriders actually riding their fucking dragons.

>use LKS dude it's the best straightsword with the best moveset!!!
>okay
>literally the only difference in its moveset is a thrust while twohanded
>poopy damage
>actually consistently does 10 less damage on a riposte than my SSS

>>147057387
disregard the opinions of balder side sword faglords

>>147057387
>listening to lucy
your fault

>>147055195
>all these tards missing the mark and saying how much a "pre fuck my shit up" fight for a boss would be

>>147056967
When is the r2 useful?

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Hello
Can anyone give me a carthus curved greatsword on pc.

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>>147056938
>samefagging

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Nobody's asleep, post hollows

>>147057615
Just farm one, it's easy, just go from the Abyss Watchers bonfire and kill the two skellys before the skelleball. Took me 3 tries with 360 IDR.

>>147057497
It has a high modifier and is one of the fastest HA attacks in the game, short of maybe UGS rolling pokes. When you're comfortable with timing the HA window properly, you can use it as a callout for running attack approaches or other obvious play. If they trade into your HA, you can followup with a single R1.

It's not the most useful thing in the world, but it does have its niche

>>147056815
>trade 2 hits with a phantom
>he dies
>you lose maybe a tenth of your health

Yeah you're really good at the game there, buddy...

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>>147057682

>>147057268
You're not a challenge. Your opponents are challenged.

>>147057615
where and pass fren?

>>147057615

Farming takes like 15 minutes max you lazy fuck

>nerfing the hornet ring

I'm glad for you duel dudes, but as someone that primarily invades at ranges where you get nothing but seeded ganks, fuck.

They are starting to add some faith and int scaling to weapons though, so hopefully we at least get some build variety eventually.

>>147058243
If 2kat and Gotthards stay untouched I doubt we'll see any change in the near future.

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>>147057775

Do you even know what twinking means

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>>147058243
>we at least get some build variety

>>147058243
The biggest change is probably nerfing the Obscuring ring

Just about everything that's deemed good for invasions seems to be getting nerfed now. I'm half expecting the next patch to be contain something like

>Invaders will automatically be booted from a Host's world upon putting them down to 20% health(cannot damage hosts below 20% by any means)

>>147058402
That's why I said "hopefully". Doubt it'll happen.

>>147058482
It will never happen.
They can nerf Washing Pole and Card Captor damage by half and they'll still be used.

>>147058243
>faith builds get a greathammer, straightsword and greatsword that scale with faith
>this is somehow "variety" now.
They just made faith into another slightly shittier quality. This isn't progress, it's homogenization.


Also, if you're invading at a range where hornetstab instantkills are a win condition, you're invading far too high. Stop gullibly following the reddit meme meta and invade at a proper range for invading.

>>147058480
I just saw the obscuring ring nerf.

lmao, jesus fucking christ just remove invasions and add more co-op features

>nerfed Hornet Ring
>Buffed Dagger crits
We DaS2 now
Inb4 daggers get nerfed down the line and people start using Hollowslayer for ripostes like they did with the Old Whip

>>147058402
>>147058482
>>147058243
>le 'there is no build variety in 3' memay

>>147058480
>>Invaders will automatically be booted from a Host's world upon putting them down to 20% health(cannot damage hosts below 20% by any means)

That's a genius idea, hold on lemme miyazaki i gotta tell him this shit

>>147058240
jokes on you I just farmed it

>>147058620
>it's a "my snowflake build beats pontiff shitters from time to time" episode
Worse than beach episodes imo.

>Increased GSoJ's damage
>not it's scaling
Lmao D/D/D

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>having to farm and grind items in a singleplayer game

>>147058823
I bet you used gameshark and other cheatcodes.

>>147058867
i did how do u know that

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>Listening to music, memes, and shitposts with anons in a Dubtrack room while playing DaS3
>Linkin Park's Numb comes on during the second phase of the Abyss Watchers
>mfw

>>147058480
Honestly, hosts with obscuring could fuck around just as, if not harder.

>>147058570
>Cracked Red Eye Orbs and the Red Eye Orb changed to initiate forced co-op sessions rather than hostile invasions
>Blue Sentinels and the Blades of the Darkmoon changed to instead be auto summoned to assist hosts with bosses

>>147058543
Honestly, even if you nerfed those 2 into the ground, the next longest katana and next highest AR curved sword would just take their places.

It's not about damage, though the CCS probably does do too much. It's about movesets. Katanas have a running thrust attack that has as many startup frames as an offhand rapier R1 and less recovery frames, is completely unpunishable, breaks hyperarmor, is virtually impossible to parry and crosses an enormous distance to ensure that it can always attack safely from outside the range of every other weapon in the game. On top of that, it can headshot.

Curved Swords are just comically fast and safe R1 mash machines. Their 2HR1 is so fucking good they need nothing else.

Until that katana running attack gets toned down, and until the curved sword 2HR1 gets an increase to its startup, they will be dominant weaponclasses no matter how many times the seasonal top-tier variant gets nerfed.

Though, I do think that if the katana WD gets nerfed, its R1s and R2s will need to be made better. The weaponclass is hot trash outside of that one utterly broken move, which is part of why people spam it so autistically.

>wanted to be an invisible glass cannon spec
>Here about obscuring ring nerf

How bad is it?

What's the standard attunement for pure sorcs? I've been pretty comfy with 24 for a long time, but startig to feel another slot would be handy. Is it better to invest in the extra levels or use the dork ring?

>>147059241
Notes said they increased the distance of its effect.
Hardly sounds like a nerf.

>>147056735
They're pretty easy and most hosts I help do it, Dragonslayer Armour on the other hand hosts summon like full three phantoms as a crutch.
Good chance two phantoms will die pretty much right off the bat, leaving you with a stupidly hp boosted boss; thanks host. Or some plebs using lighting blade -_-

>deleted faith character to make space
>all these faith buffs

I know it's all going to be hot trash, but I really can't be fucked to play through this game again right now.

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>DLC
>Have to fight the last ancient stone dragon
>No way to do damage to it
>Go find Ornstein
>He helps peel away the stone armor like in the DS OP

A man can dream.

>>147058989
Yeah this.
As useful as it was (and probably still will be) for invaders, a host playing hide and seek with the obscuring ring was fucking impossible, because you basically had to be right in their face before it reveals them and they could just avoid you forever.

>>147059117
Yep, that's pretty much it. Katanas have the running R1 being stupid broken, Curved Swords have the 2HR1 being stupid broken and rapiers have the 1HR1 being stupid broken. Those are the top tier moves in the game, followed by Glaive 2HR1.

>>147059297
"Increased the distance at which the ring takes effect," you esl shit.
Meaning you have to be further away before you stop being visible.

>>147058557
Fucking this but unfortunately most of /Dsg/ are twitch faggots like the better half of Reddit so without 120 they don't get views which puts them at a disadvantage especially since most of them are NEET
the best "meta" or really the most fun to have doing invasions is 65-80 with +6 it's pretty much the ability for good high level or low level invasions, tons of areas to choose from, lack of real shitters, Aldrich shenanigans, and my personal favorite, low chance of hornet 1 shots since most people aren't doing a 40/40 on 65

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>>147054257
>already started a faith build based around lightning and lightning accessories
this gon be fun

>>147059407
The ring's "effect" is that it makes you invisible.

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Hello everyone,

The regulation version 1.09 will be deployed on Friday, July 1st.

It will not require a patch or maintenance. Below is the full list of changes included in this version!

>All Dagger weapons: increased critical attack power.
>Dark Sword: reduced weapon efficiency.
>Anri’s Straight Sword: reduced scaling effects.
>Wolnir’s Holy Sword: added faith scaling and adjusted weapon efficiency accordingly.
>Crescent Moon Sword: added intelligence scaling and adjusted weapon efficiency accordingly.
>Morne’s Great Hammer: added faith scaling and adjusted weapon efficiency accordingly.
>Lothric’s Holy Sword: added faith scaling and adjusted weapon efficiency accordingly.
>Yorshka’s Spear: increased FP damage effects.
>Scholar’s Candlestick: reduced sorcery-strengthening properties
>Demon’s Fist: reduced weight.
>Greatsword of Judgement: increased attack power.
>Heysel’s Pick: increased intelligence scaling.
>All shield-piercing weapons: added shield-piercing properties to regular attacks.
>All Skills that enchant a weapon with special properties: extended length of effect.
>Obscuring Ring: increased distance at which ring takes effect.
>Hornet Ring: adjusted efficiency.
>Black Serpent: adjusted tracking.
>Lightning Stake: now requires 1 attunement slot.
>Magic Barrier/Great Magic Barrier: extended length of effect.
>Divine Pillars of Light: increased attack power.
>White Dragon Breath: reduced stamina consumption.
>All Bug Pellet items: extended length of effect.
>Addressed other game balance issues and fixed other flaws.

Embrace the Darkness!

>>147059392
Honestly, rapiers aren't even all that bad aside from the estoc. All the attack has is speed, but nothing short of the estoc has enough reach or damage to really make it a problem. The rest of the weapon class is only slightly faster than straightswords, mostly outranged by them, and mostly loses to them in trades unless they get a leo counter on that trade.

>>147059241
Faggots like you are the reason it's getting nerfed kill yourself you dumb nigger and play a real build not some VIGgouged Mage with 69 int

>>147059615
No

>>147059613
Well, if you are using a offhand rapier + clay/katana combo, there's no reason not to have leo on, and ricards damage is pretty good, although it's not as good in the range department.

>>147059739
Enjoy being a cancerous shitstain
Bacteria serve more purpose than you do

>>147059834
Poor baby

>>147059871
Poor NEET faggot
:^)

HOW CAN SUCH A SIMPLE GAME BE SO FUCKING GOOD.
I'M SO FUCKING ADDICTED I'VE LOST MY FRIENDS AND GF. THANKS FROM SOFTWARE FOR RUINING MY LIFE.


Now back to giting gud

What are the chances of getting softbunned in DS3 for adding upgrade materials with CE?

>>147060125
100%

>>147060125
Find out for yourself. From my testing it seems like softbuns only trigger from illegal stats, illegal items, and illegal bonfires.

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>>147060324
>illegal bonfires
excuse me?

>>147055068
the LKS has a perfect moveset imo. you can use every attack it has to roll catch and its around 430 40/40 refined i think. Haven't used one since my first character

ss are fucking boring though and fighting people that use them just feels cookie cutter as fuck. I'd rather have a HA dick swinging contest than watch someone throw 40 running r1s from out of range hoping that phantom range will catch me

>Morne's hammer
>added faith scaling
>adjusted efficiency
FUCKING FINALLY

it will still be shit unless they fix the stamina usage of ultras across the board

>>147055221
it's plenty popular already

>>147060535
Ultras will never have their stamina cost changed in any significant fashion.
They were very deliberately balanced around the 40end softcap to ensure that the number of R1s any ultra could perform is effectively hardcapped at 4 and no more than 4.

If you're using an ultra with less than 40 end, you're handicapping yourself, and you might as well give up on waiting for them to ever make ultras usable with less than that.

>>147053791
>everyone says CS is hard on caster/pyro builds
>only explanation for this graph
>yfw literally everyone and their mother has access to +3 raw ASS by the time they get to sage

fucking morons do this to yourself

>>147060738
CS can be hard because tonnes of players arrive at him with barely above base vigor and die in 1 hit to a soul spear in the back during phase 2.

>>147060535
>remember the 50 strength requirement

Thank god I already had a +5 Wolnir's on my faith character I guess.

>>147057387
>doesn't know the moveset
>didn't even use the weapon

well I guess you get a (you)

>>147055221
I used it since day 1, it's an ok sword but i don't like the double R2 poke. I only use it for fashion really

>>147060819
You only need like 30-something strength to 2H it.
I already have an aldrich invader around level 50 that's using it. It feels pretty handicapped as a weapon until somebody runs right into the WA for 3/4 of their health.

I still don't understand why planting your hammer in the ground has a damaging hitbox that does like 400 damage on its own, but every other greathammer with the same animation just does a 0 damage little stagger.

>>147060738
CS is only hard because of his high magic resist, and because characters at that levels don't have a ton of hp or stamina to dodge it's danmaku hail of soul spears and white dragon breaths
Also not everyone has 12 Faith for ASS

>>147060474
As in only having the pontiff bonfire unlocked.

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Can we take a second to talk about how you can kill enemies by stabbing their asses?

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>kill mad phantom as a summoned blue sentinel
>get shackle but not ear

>>147060808
>they do this to themselves

yep still applies. Idiots that don't know that vigor is arguably the most important early game stat... I mean, just come the fuck on if you get one shot at a boss just grind a few levels worth of vigor jesus fuck

>>147061082
But you can get 12 faith and respec literally after CS

>>147060907
>two handed thrust
>every other move is the same as any other straightsword
>shitty damage despite the scaling being good looking
>less riposte damage than SSS
>still trying to defend Lothric Mediocre Sword

>>147061005
I still have no stats to give up for a gimmick weapon without gimping my faith,health or endurance.

I barely have enough to get 16/18 for the Astora Greatsword.

>>147061101
No. Now go away, Melvin "Katanas should be as fast as daggers" O'Houlihan

>>147061005
Because Morne's Ghammer casts WoG and other greathammers just use perserverance

>>147061082
any caster/pyro/faith build really should though just for the benefit of having ASS early game to smooth out the shitty parts though and respec once they get to Rosaria. a few points in faith isn't going to be missed anywhere else early game when the benefit far outweighs the investment

Where's Sirris' sign for gaybros?

>>147061367
For super gaybros it's right outside the gaybros fog

>>147061460
That's odd. I'm certain she made her knightly vow but I ain't seein' shit cap'n

>>147061193
I'm not defending it. >>147060485 this is me. I think straightswords are boring as fuck but if you're blatantly wrong I'll prove it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOSielaEKdw

1h r2 is a thrust, 2h 2 is a thrust, and having that option opens up possibility of gnarly leo hits. l2 r2 has a shit ton of forward momentum that can roll catch rather well. if I remember correctly 2 r1s will get you north of 500 damage on most armor sets and it ripostes for damn near 700 damage without hornet

if you need more than that out of a ss then I don't know what to tell you

>>147061283
No shit, I mean the act of putting your hammer to the ground has a 'hit' in both GH perseverance and Morne's Rage, but in the former it simply staggers things and lets them recovery instantly to get away from you, while Morne's deals about 400 damage and stunlocks them into the WoG explosion.

Anyone have the Goldface collage of DaS2 nerfs?

I didn't talk to Anri at all at halfway fortress and am at the catacombs now. Is he/she totally wiped out from my game? Will I never see my waifu again?

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>Addressed other game balance issues and fixed other flaws.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN

>All Skills that enchant a weapon with special properties: extended length of effect.
Profaned Greatsword getting buffed?

>>147061905
>claiming I didn't use it or know the moveset
>WHEN THE ONLY FUCKING DIFFERENCE IS THAT 2HR2 IS A THRUST
Kill yourself. You're calling me out on shit I'm right about.

It has SHIT damage with no difference in moves other than 2 handed thrust which does not save face considering I can outdamage its ripostes without hornet ring with a DIFFERENT straightsword.

>>147062150
Just go talk to her, dude.
Just be yourself. Act cool.

>>147062161

Poise fixed.

>>147062161
>added a two minute time limit for how long invaders can stay in the host's world

>try to make Eygon Build for 120
>Need a MINIMUM 31 Vit, Havel,RoFAP+2 on top of the 50 STR, 30 FAI requirement for weapon and shield

Should I shave off HP or END

>>147054257
They're nerfing Anris effectively making Cleric useless. However I will be making a Knight with 60 faith build

>>147062161
just wait till a week after when the top scientists discover what miyazaki mwant

>>147062242
>be yourself

fucking NORMIESSSSS REEEEEEEEEE

Wolnir’s Holy Sword: added faith scaling and adjusted weapon efficiency accordingly.
Crescent Moon Sword: added intelligence scaling and adjusted weapon efficiency accordingly.
Morne’s Great Hammer: added faith scaling and adjusted weapon efficiency accordingly.
Lothric’s Holy Sword: added faith scaling and adjusted weapon efficiency accordingly.

HOW MUCH IS IT?

>>147062191
Maybe blessed weapon will last as long as other buffs now. That'd be a thing. Might be somewhat useless still, but at least I can feel righteous with a glowing weapon that doesn't fizzle out instantly.

>>147062438
E scaling

>>147062323
Fook the cunts and go 142. DSG and Reddit "120" (actually 125-130) meta users will still be forced to fight you

>>147062323
Just go 34 strenght. That's what I did and I'm having lodsa fun

Fuck pontiff, I swear to god. His first phase is piss easy but once he gets his bullshit clone he leaves no fucking space to recover

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>All shield-piercing weapons: added shield-piercing properties to regular attacks.
get fucked turtlefags

>>147062191
Yeah, for now the fire self buff only lasts 15 mere seconds

>>147062438
50 STR 30 FAI Morne 589 to 560

66 STR 60 FAI Morne 607 to 620

Because, you know. Can't have good STR or Faith weapons

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>>147062560
>can now R1 spam greatshield users with best weapon, shotel

>>147062191
Profaned GS' "enchant" is the worst one around. It's less than a resin's worth of fire damage, which means that it's reduced to minimum damage in pvp (a whole whopping +8 damage, wowza!) Plus you have to actually complete the golfswing to trigger it, and the golfswing is dogshit that gives anybody a free 2 hit combo or backstab on you.

This will help GS of Judgement, Swordspear, Firelink GS, Eleonora and Bloodlust. If they were thinking ahead, then they'll extend this to Sharpen as well and the Butcher's Knife and Great Machete will finally have a usable WA.

The problem with all of these weapons is that they have underwhelming AR in order to compensate for a buff WA, but the casting animation on their buffs is too long to use in combat, so it's a pre-fight buff only. But, despite being pre-fight only, they all last 20 seconds, which is absolutely nothing. In most cases neither player will even land a hit during the first 20 seconds of a fight, making those buffs effectively useless.

Only Flame of Lorian and Warcry are actually fast enough to recast mid-fight, and they still have the same duration as the ones with over 100 frames of startup.

>>147058480
Adjusted doesn't mean nerfed, we have no idea

>>147062560
NOTHING CAN DEFEND
N O T H I N G

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>>147062764
>he hasn't read the patch notes.

>>147062783

FROM

>>147062764
>Obscuring Ring: increased distance at which ring takes effect.

You tell me anon

>>147062554
you can get away and bait jump attacks like you would do if you wanted to parry him and then attack the clone instead of the real one

>faith scaling on wolnirs sword and mornes hammer

yes

YES

>>147063058
>50 strength & 60 Faith to get the most out of it

no

NO

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What are some good Str weapons in DeS that don't require colorless souls?

>>147063058
Anyone wanna take bets at how much it'll be?

In a just and honest world, Wolnir's would get S faith scaling, because its abysmal base damage means anything less than that would be trivial, and 60 means it would continue to scale well all the way up top 60 and faith builds would finally have a physical weapon that actually has synergy with their casting.

I'm hoping Lothric's Sword because a primarily faith weapon as well.

>>147063058
Wolnir had D/D scaling, wouldn't surprise me if it was D faith scaling as well with reduced base dmg. I hope you don't plan on actually using spells with 60 faith.

>>147063276

Just dupe the souls.

>invade in crucifixion woods
>clearly overlelleved phantom
>run and hide after short skirmish
>decide to hide and see if they die to mobs or other invaders later
>tab out
>tab up after 30 minutes
>first undead legion flame lit cutscene plays

well then, do I try and find them down there or just wait in the forest?

As someone who has played DaS, and DeS. They felt practically the same kind of game. I for the life of me cannot understand why the fuck ADAPT is a fucking stat. It feels like a different game to me. I need to put points into rolling out of danger? My rolls do not feel effective, and it looks like the hit boxes do not match out. Someone explain to me how I'm doing it wrong. Is is just me, or is DaS2 just shitty. Am I just going to have to re-adjust to the mechanics?

FYI; I am playing vanilla DaS2 without any patches, and/or DLC.

>>147063287
>13/13 GS
>S faith scaling
in your dreams

>>147063148
>implying any weapon scales well past 40fth
the 60 meme is only for S-scaling casting tools. Nothing else gets a meaningful amount of damage from it.

>>147063287
>Wolnir
Probably C, B at +5
>Morne
D, C at +5 OR C into C at +5
>LHS
B into A at +5

>>147063276
Greataxe
Greatsword (Though it's basically a worse DBS)

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>>147063508
You're just shit.

People have done SL1 DS2 run and they can cope just fine.

I-frames are a crutch, placebo, and an illusion.

>>147063675
nice try micolash but there is no true defense of DaS2

>>147059609
>hornet ring nerfed
>anri's nerfed
>dark sword nerfed
>obscuring ring nerfed

INVADERS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>147063508
>piratefags
You deserve this.

Also, while ADP does marginally increase the effectiveness of your roll, rolling in general is much less effective in 2. It costs more stamina, has more recovery, and even at the highest practical breakpoint for ADP, still has fewer iframes than a DaS1 lightroll. Lots of enemies with large weapons have lingering hitboxes specifically to make rolling more dangerous.

You either adjust your timing to the less forgiving roll or you grab a shield because you couldn't git gud. Hotboxes only seem weird because your roll has hyperarmor during its vulnerable frames, meaning if you mistime a roll and get hit, you will still finish your roll and end up out of reach of the attack after the fact, it can be hard to see the exact moment where an attack strikes the vulnerable frames of your roll, but the solution is simply to suck less at rolling.

>>147063578
40 STR Yhorm - 590 - 640 2H
66 STR Yhorm - 650 - 707 2H

>>147063412
>follow them
>they're slow as fuck everywhere
>picking up everything
>check their profiles
>host has 7 hours
>phantom has 100+
This is literally a guy getting boosted through Dark Souls by his friend. He is literally ruining his experience. Fuck these people.

>>147053704
Anyone know if giving the firekeeper eyes will fuck up the Lord of Hollows ending? Or is it fine as long as I don't summon her at the end?

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>>147053791
>crystal sage 5
>twin faggots 7
>champ gundyr isn't a 7+

>>147063508

There's a reason why DaS2 wasn't liked by the most die hard fans.

>invade
>parried, died in literally one hit

is this what ds3 pvp is like everywhere or was i just unlucky like i'm not good or anything but it's still pretty fun except when this happens

>>147063578
but who in their right mind would do a faith build without an S-scaling casting tool?

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>>147063736
Breh, I'm not defending DS2.

As shit as it is, it's still beatable without leveling ADPT.

It's only reasonable to assume the player is shit and he needs to free himself from the shackles that are i-frames.

Cleric or Knight for Faith build?

Going to 60 faith for spear chucking and lothric holy sword

>>147063783
Darksword nerf just makes invaders stronger, because it's what 99% of all hosts and phantoms used. They'll continue to use it after this patch, but they'll just be easier to meme on with A MYSTIC ADVENTURE

Anri's was only good for midgame twinking and it's good that it's dead because it was way too fucking strong. At least the Dragonslayer's Axe has the weakness of being an axe, Anri's was just unstoppable level 40-80.

>>147063508
>vanilla DaS2 without any patches, and/or DLC.
Why? I would be surprised if sotfs wasn't cracked already 10 times other.
And maybe you should consider putting some points into ADP? Or just roll closer to when attack hits?

>>147054917
I'm a dark sword R1-spamming cancerman and even I agree with the nerf

>>147063983
The only talisman with S-scaling is Saint's and its WA is unusably bad. If you actually plan on using offensive miracles in pvp, you're stuck with either sunlight or canvas, and neither scale well enough to be worth going over 40.

If I wanna switch up lightning spears with lightning stake, is it worth downgrading to great lightning spear so the cast animations have the same colored lightning?

>>147063864
>60fth

>>147063995
Knight

How many more patches before we're all just R1'ing each other with longswords and offhand caestus because nothing else works?

>>147063962
You got it, its fine as long as you dont summon her

>>147064008
Reminder that Hornet is getting nerfed as well

>>147064129
Hold on a second, Saint's has the same WA as Sunlight and Canvas. What am I missing?

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Hey, you know why they call lightning spells offensive miracles?

Because every time someone uses them, everyone in the fight club is offended.

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>>147057682

>>147064236
Yeah, because they are totally buffing longsword and nerfing the shit out of weapons with special attacks, such as 2kats or judgement greatsword.

>>147063508
>why the fuck ADAPT is a fucking stat
So that characters who rely on a greatshield and don't need to dodge can have extra points to spend elsewhere.

>My rolls do not feel effective
Invincibility frames are now in the middle of the animation, not the beginning. Plus a lot of enemies have delayed swings and weird tracking. It's not as effortless as DeS and DaS1.

>without any patches
Enjoy the hundreds of bugs and imbalances that were patched out, you stingy cunt. SOTFS is $15 right now.

>>147063995
k***ht. cleric was only good for anri builds

>>147064236
4 patches ago

>>147064340
read the description.

please for the love of god someone help me. I've been looking all over online and i can't get an answer. I'm playing the first game on my PC, KB/M. I hate using console controllers I'm just bad at it they only make it harder for me whatever. I can not figure out how to cast magic weapon. I can't do it with the catalyst in my right, and I can't cast magic with the catalyst in my left hand. When I parry with it, I just swing it like a club. Someone, please help?

>>147064345
Get the fuck outta here, Miyazaki.

>>147064263
Cheers mate. I really wanted to hear the extra dialogue.

>>147064345
I remember back when some qualityshitter tryhard got so triggered by tears of denial he spent like 3 threads shitposting and whining about how it shouldn't be allowed and was insulting to him.

>>147064340
Difference in Poise strenght
Saints is horribad, getting broken in 2 SS R1's sometimes
Canvas is middle of the road, good enough except against something like 2-3 ultra 2H swings
Sunlight cannot be broken as far as i know

>>147064375
>cleric was only good for anri builds
Isn't thief the most optimal starting class for Anri's?

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>>147059328
>Ornstein has a questline that you can follow throughout the DLC
>the reward is THE PLUME

>>147063675
Explain without memes.

>>147063846
>>piratefags
Nice try nigger. It is a physical disc and a 360 without wifi. Yes they do exist. Shitpost somewhere else kiddo.

>>147063976
I can understand. That fact you havr to point stats into a reactionary skill like rolling seems like a filler stat to me, and half ass attempt to balance PvP. If you already have to balance out your burden loads with armor, and weapons from fat rolling. Why the fuck do you need a stat for it.

DaS2 is really shit.

>>147064068
You realize that games still are played on physical discs right, and not everyone has wifi, nor the money to buy DLC?

>>147064340
Each talisman has varying degrees of 'Unfaltering Prayer'

Sunlight has unbreakable hyperarmor
Canvas and 'Talisman' have competent hyperarmor that can be hit a couple times
Saint's is fucking abysmal, I do not think there is a single attack in the game that will resist an attack, although high faith builds find that it has the highest spellbuff

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>>147064406
>>147064496
Ah, of course. Thanks lads!

>>147064525
Wasted points: the class

>>147064446
someone please help me

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>>147063148
>SL80 trash will need to move onto SL120 to use it correctly
Good.

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>>147064573
>not everyone has wifi
>he said, (shit)posting on 4chan

>>147064687
Put it in your left hand, have a weapon that can actually be buffed in the right and press whatever key is your left hand attack/block key.

>>147064584
Saint's can withstand exactly 1 R1 from anything straightsword-sized, but breaks instantly to anything larger than a straightsword.

Unfortunately, there's not a single spell in the faith arsenal that's fast enough to complete the cast before two R1s could interrupt it.

However, after the buff it will likely be the best casting tool for Divine Pillars of Light, since being interrupted from that spell is actually preferable to letting a straightsword mash 9R1s into you while all the pillars miss them completely.

>>147064573
>You realize that games still are played on physical discs right, and not everyone has wifi, nor the money to buy DLC?
Wow. I live in small town in Russia and i have... actually i don't have wifi, since it's terrible for netplay, i use optic.
SotFS costs 15$ right now, but you could get it for free if you wanted.

>>147064712
>SL 144 Builds get more playmates
;)

>>147064687
can you cast other spells?
what weapon are you trying to buff? some weapons just can't be buffed - you might be using one of them

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Where is the FC at?

>>147064892
I thought it was SL142?

>shitposting
>implied 80 nigger
hahahaa

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>>147064584
Canvas is good enough to tank an entire greatsword combo. For all purposes it's the best talisman for offensive casters. Sunlight's spell buff is just too shit.

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>>147064573
>physical discs
>2016

>>147064859
but I don't know what the left hand attack key is and I can't find it in the keybindings menu in-game. and blocking just blocks :/

>>147064680
It's still the most efficient starter for Luck and Luck/Dex builds.
Only the full blown "I'm SL125 please rape my face" 40/40/30 Qualuck builds are better off with something that isn't Thief, but 40/40 is also a huge fucking waste for a sword with D/D scaling.

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>>147064936

>>147065037
>every weapon with good elemental scaling has good scaling in every infusion

Being a pyro with RHH made me notice this. It's so annoying dark and chaos or crystal and lightning are identical for every weapon they affect.

>>147065061
You can't block with a staff dude. Go into the menu, look at your keybinds and find what buttons make your left hand do shit.

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>>147059609
>Demon’s Fist: reduced weight.

>>147065037
>That finish
Hot damn, I guess you could say he made a big miSTAKE

>>147065061
it should be Shift by default

>>147065126
Got the Vegeta one?

>>147065037
>that HP
>that FP
>that Stamina

Nice SL 150

>>147065173
I feel really stupid but thank you so much oh my god

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>>147065287

It's too big to post, plus it has sound.

Someone explain to me what ADAPT is. What is it's purpose? Is it a filler stat? Is it a stat for idiots? Why is there a stat to make rolling more effective, and i-frames not a thing? Is it not about skill anymore?

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>>147065321
hue

>>147065439
Who is this Schemon Demon?

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>>147065517
Kek

>>147063979
It happens once in a while. You'll get your share of wrecking hosts and you'll laugh about it sometimes too. its give and take.

PRISCILLA IS BEST WAIFU!

BEST!

>>147065439
>125
>burial gift 7 gold dubloons

i respect you fambulance

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>>147065517
schemonach is a title in a highest rank of orthodox monasticism so i decided to make a character around that theme

>>147065439
Why do most magic builds stop at 35 att? That's 5 points with no slot for them. Do you get anything useful back from it? The FP doesn't seem worth.

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>>147065770
That's not Yuria you fuckboy

>>147065439
>125, rusted gold coins

Are you my long lost brother or something?

Guys I need help. I want to give SoTF as a gift to my friend, but gifting the upgrade is impossible.

He already bought the base game but has none fo the DLCs. Will it work if I buy him the full DSII: SoTF game? The base game that comes with it will then count as an extra copy and the extra contents will be sent to him?

pls send help

>>147065916
>copying my reply

welcome to the famtrak

>>147065861
A:
Large FP returns. FP is like HP, the amount you get gradually increases the higher you go until it hits its softcap, and then sharply declines. For HP that's 27, for FP that's 35

B: It's 5 points and the build is 125. With every meaningful stat softcapped there's no reason to not throw those extraneous points into FP. Best case scenario, you get 1 more cast out of it.

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Any buffable weapons that scale with int+fth? Or am I gonna have to go raw with a chaos secondary for when my buff runs out?

If all shield piercing weapons now have shield bypasson regular attacks does that include the darkdrift? Will my dreams of wielding Blind once again finally come true??

>>147066142
Includes the Estoc, that's all the matters really

>>147065874
yuria a SHIT

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Is it worth to level up after 120 just for the sake of co-op at a higher level ? Like, do I even find people at, say, SL 250+ ?

>>147065439
i remember you, some threads ago you claimed you regretted starting as a cleric because lightning clutch ring destroyed your absorption, and the 15 vit from Knight would have been better.

I took your advice and rolled with knight for my heavy faith build. having a blast so far

>>147066020
I didn't refresh, didn't see your reply. But yeah, I picked the same burial gift my 1st time

>>147066243
ur mom a shit

What's the best talisman for a 60 faith build?

>>147066503
Yorshka's Chime

>>147066012
>>147066012
>>147066012
Please respond ;_;

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>>147066437

>>147063995
15 Vit that Knight starts with gives you more defense and allows you to wear better armor, although making you marginally more tankier it's better than the absolute waste of 13 luck points the cleric starts with. and since you'll be hyperarmor trading, armor is somewhat important.

>>147066142
The natural assumption would mean that this applies to weapons that pierce on non-WA attacks, like the Shotel, Carthus Shotel, Harpe, Masnerpent Hatchet, etc.

If every weapon with a piercing-WA got natural piercing on its R1s, you'd have shield like the Spear shieldpiercing with its thrusts, Corvian Greatknife piercing with its faggy R1 mashing bullshit, and the Estoc unironically shieldpiercing with its already godlike R1s.

>>147066343
Yea, one or two autists

Best to stop around 144, that way the 120s are still in your range

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>>147066343
You can play with this guy

>>147067202
>not even level 387 yet
his fault, that's where all the real men play

>can't upgrade weapons at bonfire

What is the reason for this?

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Done wageslaving for the day is there any FCs going on?

>>147065407
This stat is for shitters who can't into tight rolls. It's a way to punish them for being bad by making them spent a ton of points into it. Skilled people don't need more than 88 agi, so they can spend more points in other areas.

>>147067324
#BlackSmithsMatter

>>147067324
Because you have a hub world and the ability to warp right from the start.

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>>147067202

>>147066680
Don't know. If you know each other and trust each other, he could give you his password so you'd make the purchase on his account.

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>>147067380
>4 clones

>>147067414

Did From really think people would enjoy loading screens that much?

>>147066012
SotFS is an entirely separate game in steam. Buying it means that all your friend has to do is install SotFS instead, which will have all the benefits

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>>147067602
Of course

>>147066012
should work if u dont mind buying the full game for him

>>147067602
They loved it in Bloodborne.

>>147067718
Hey dude, wanna fight on ps4?

gosh, beating the nameless king at sl45 and +6 weapons is tough for me. managed to do it at sl 50 on my pyro but having 27 expoding knees awesome vigor isnt cutting it right now.

>>147066503
Canvas

>>147067905
Use a bandit's knife with some red butter.
You can supplement your lack of damage with bleed procs and supplement your lack of skill with quickstep.