/evn/ English Visual Novel General

So someone finally did it.

didn't we have the same picture in the OP the last thread?

>>146844115
At least someone made a thread.

>>146844243
not enough (embed)s

>>146844514
I don't know what that means.

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Starting to work on my evn alone with no skill whatsoever. Here's a sketch of the main character.

Last.

ugh, so lazy, we'll just have to post frantically fast to finish this thread and get a new header image

So I found out that I have no idea how to start a story.

So you finally want to talk about evns? What's everyone up to?

>>146845608
What's your evn about anon?

>>146848890
It's gonna be a Lovecraftian horror that revolves around insomnia and sleep deprivation. Guy on the picture above hasn't slept normally in four months.

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are you one of the few really bothered by the sprite/perspective issue?

>>146849403
Saya no Uta?

>>146850261
I wish I was Urobuchi but no.

>>146850489
will there be at least a cute shoggot or two?

>>146850797
There will be a cute human girl. But I don't want to give much attention to anything like that. You really want sequel of Saya, don't you?

>>146849538
Is that Bert or something?

Too lazy to start doing statistics work with background artists.

>>146848554
Don't worry, OP game is supposed to get 1440p graphics soon.

I'm also wondering when his lesbian threesome in space game comes out.

>>146854437
Did he change fat brown elf's design or is she still hideous?

>>146854686
We're going to need a picture

>>146854686
Who? The bbw elf in the space game isn't dark skinned. Unless you mean Jouya from The Menagerie in which case, no, Tao doesn't usually change character designs just people some people dislike aspects of them.

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Sheepstorm guy here. Kinda hitting a bump with the rock-papers-scissors mechanic. ;_;

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>>146855251
>>146855159
huh, for some reason I remembered her to be brown.

>>146855984
that looks alright to me, admittedly I am a retard
thank you for being a cool guy by the way senpai

How do you write dialogue for characters without sounding like it's always just the writer pretending to be the characters? Is there a guide or some tips and tricks somewhere? I'm really worried that people will think all my character dialogue is too samey. Am I worrying too much?

>>146856280
My issue is that the proportions seem off with the girl on the left. Her jacket might be causing part of the effect though.

The most common complaint I've seen is the colors used and how overly shiny their space suits are.

I have noticed that this game has gotten a ton more complaints about the art than Tao's other games. Both Greenlight and /u/ weren't exactly jumping to play it.

>>146856528
If you're having trouble getting started with speech patterns, assign actors to the characters in your head and try to hear the lines as they would say them.

>>146856763
b-but I've only seen JAV actors in my life!

>>146856532
They are just plain ugly t b h. Like he took his style to the extreme compared to his usual work and made all the wrong decisions (just compare their faces to the OP for example).

>>146856763
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.

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>>146856839
It might just be the tone/style he's going for with that game. Even the updated Toko art seems fine.

Tao's patreon backers get the patches and the beta early.

>>146843436
>toko.jpg
Ewwww, again?

>>146857578
that's nice to know, Tao

>>146857392
That's a lot of characters, and they look pretty good. How much money would something with that kind of production value net you?

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God fuck my life. I know that Max's Big Bust is a shitty VN just from looking at it, but I'm so desperate for genderswap I may actually try it out.

>>146857578
>>146857753
At least put the slightest amount of effort and thought into your shilling.
Jesus.

here's a question I'm sure has never been asked before:

why does tao keep making more projects instead of finishing the one that everyone kickstarted and gave them the funds to start their studio in the first place?????

>>146857392
I wish Toko was about them when they were younger, those sprites are pretty cute.

>>146849538
aren't these royalty free sprites?

>>146857984
They're working on it right now actually. Stargazers and Toko Chapter 1 are going to be released before it though since they're much shorter. Chapter 1 of Toko is supposed to come out this fall.

>>146858030
not even royalty free, i think they're just free. it's some lsf kid's project, what do you expect?

>>146857904
I'm really just curious. A lot of work and effort was obviously put into those characters. Surely something like that would pull in a fair amount of funding.

>>146858118
given the length of their games though, it's a bit worrying it takes them this long to get to where they are. Seems like there's some serious problems with managing things somewhere along the line

>>146858181
or they're just plain lazy

>>146858225
that too. Focus is all over the place, diverting resources to making a voice/HD art patch chapter 0 of Toko which realistically isn't going to help the game much in terms of sales

>>146857985
I don't want another Strawberry Vinegar.

>>146858376
They also promised a Toko artbook last year and a patch to fix and add content to The Menagerie. The Menagerie patch feels necessary since that game felt very incomplete.

>>146858417
u no like loli?

>>146858179
Effort doesn't correlate with funds. Cheap cash-in games like the tank dating sim sold very well, while Rising Angels Hope, which had alot of effort and assets put into it sold like shit.

>>146858417
Strawberry Vinegar didn't have appealing art though. Tao can draw some pretty cute girls when he isn't drawing demons and insanely heavy girls.

>>146859672
Demon girls can be cute. And his bbw characters aren't "insanely heavy". In fact, SJWs were complaining that he didn't make Nadia fat enough.

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>>146859672
This isn't appealing?

>>146859905
Well, just look at those tiny mutant fingers.

>>146859905
Not anime enough.

>>146859905
I've never played, so I've never seen any of the CGs. They are much better than the sprites, which I personally really dislike.

>>146858376
>realistically isn't going to help the game much
Realistically it's going to keep people away from it. If I saw that VA trailer I'd instantly skip the game. Not joking, it's horrendous.

>>146859627
What's the problem whith Rising Angels? Simply not enough tits?

>>146859627
I can't explain the tank dating sim. I think most people just bought it for laughs and memes. Everyone knew it was a cheap game. I would think as long as you market yourself properly you should do fine if you have plenty of eye candy. Toko has lots of eye candy, so I'm sure people are eating that up.

>>146860872
Yuri fans think the dev is Hitler because he made a yuri game they didn't like once years ago.

>>146860872
Dev lacks a large loyal following but does have a hatedom, and the last-minute splitting into 'episodes' confused and put off people

>>146860648
The voices are optional DLC that costs $5.

The 1440p is free, but most people that run VNs do it on toasters, so that's going to be alot of wasted effort. 1080p would've been the max that could've been pushed for realistically.

>>146860872
Germanic man with a mustache who wants to take over the EVN world and purge it of the waifu? Yep, he's actually Hitler.

>>146861324
>The voices are optional DLC that costs $5.
I'm just saying, if the first contact I had with it was that trailer, I would have NOPEd the fuck out.

>>146861770
People whine that they want voice acting.
Dev can't afford professional VAs, so they hire amateurs.
People whine that the voice acting is shit and that they mute most if not all of it.

>>146861989
To ever take people wanting VAs into consideration is a horrible, horrible mistake.

>>146861989
I haven't seen the trailer for their VA patch so can't comment on the quality, but I feel like even amateur voice acting can work if you're careful with who you choose and make sure the voices fit well.

Because I didn't spend all that much on VA for my VN and feel like it's been well received. Or, at the very least, no one has said anything bad about it

>>146862620
They also tend to want the extra content for free. How many people will want to pay $5 for voices when the game it's for is also $5? The people asking for these kinds of additions have no idea what they cost and just list off things that sound cool to have.

>>146862707
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn9Scn-SJTQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqZYSj6cQdw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aBeAaB4BWI

>>146861989
The lesson here is don't listen to whining if it's not practical. You know your business much better than they do.

Players demand a change that's easy to do? Do it!

Players demand something ridiculous? IGNORE THEM.

"But your game would be so much better if you could choose the protagonist's gender and also design the way they look and also have 20 endings and also..." Don't argue with them, just ignore it.

>>146862707
>>146862979
Toko's VA dropped out due to real life issues, so she's being recast.

Devon's VA is great and like Ginxhou's voice. The 3 that I find off are Aces High (too nasally), the angel (bad anime dub tier), and Toko's dad (sounds too young/voice doesn't match character).

>>146863231

Devon and the Angel lady are the same VA actually.

>>146864829
I think Tao said that they went with bad dub with the angel on purpose for that classic anime feel.

>>146864949
>i-it's bad on purpose!

is always the worst defense for something

>>146864949

>dub

It'd have to be Japanese first to be a dub.

>>146866154
It doesn't need to be a dub to have dub shit quality.

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Good morning /drama/, which dev are we gossiping about today?

>>146866939
Start with the OP and it should become obvious.

>>146866939
It takes drama or shitposting with the vague hope of hooking up to keep the thread consistently bumped. Don't be too hard on us.

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>>146866939

>>146867350
so, come here often?

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>>146868056

Did I give you permission to post bkub?

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>>146868417

>>146868057
jej

Getting back on track, any good evns on sale in the Steam Summer Sale?

Inb4 mine.

>>146869445
Yours.

If I make an awesome evn will I be able to get a girlfriend?

>>146869524
Making a titty game is not going to impress the ladies

>>146869524
It's the opposite, anon. You get a girlfriend to help you finish an evn.

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>>146869097

>>146869524
>"So what do you do anon?"
>"Why, I make videogames."
>"OMG, my boyfriend loves to play those! "
>"But has he played... a visual novel?"

>>146869524
If your evn makes you rich, then yes.

>>146869640
It won't be a titty game. Just a normal game.

>>146869708
That's not happening. I have no value in this life. The only way I can achieve some is to make something like an evn.

>>146869971
You get gold diggers. Not girlfriends.

>>146870037
All my money hasn't even found me a gold digger

>>146870083
You need to flaunt it more and look on dating sites while claiming what a successful businessman you are.

>>146870083
Man, just gimme your money I'll hook you up real quick.

>>146870225
>successful businessman
>man
maybe that's the problem

>>146870334
Evn about a gold digging lesbian when?

>>146870505
We'd probably complain about it incessantly.

>>146869943
>"like a hentai?"
>"N-no, it's a novel with visuals"
>"A comic?"

>>146870334
Fund this >>146870505

>>146870618
It's an interactive graphic novel.

>>146870505
>>146870505
just read yurika's campus life

I'll make an evn about browsing 4chan.

>https://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=39118
>clueless OP
>firecat
>demonicbagel
>taleweaver scolding

what do i win for lemmasoft bingo?

>>146870859
She's not a gold digger. She's just a regular girl that needs to prostitute herself to lesbians due her amazing lesbian sex skills to get by.

>>146870608
People complaining shouldn't stop you from doing something you love.

>>146870970
That would be the most depressing evn known to man and Depression Quest exists.

Will infellune actually finish this game? Will it be a trainwreck?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1803745874/reach-for-the-stars-a-yuri-visual-novel

>>146870505
Highway Blossoms

>>146871392
>That would be the most depressing evn known to man and Depression Quest exists.

At least I would finally be top at something.

>>146871781
Mariah wasn't the MC though. When will she get her own spin off?

>>146870970
VA-11 HALL-A already exists.

>>146872210
Don't take this from me.

>https://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/4q4wwd/go_go_democratic_peoples_republic_of_korea_is_now/
>completely ignore comment from the person whose country you're mocking

>>146872573
Someone filed a DMCA claim against it on Steam.

>>146873607
Good. "Parodying" an existing VN for a shitty meme is terrible.

>>146873824
It will still make more than 90% of evns without requiring even a quarter of the work because of the shock value, weirdness, memefactor.

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>>146873607
Don't worry anon, it's just a prank!

>>146874081

Fair use doesn't include reasonable confusion, jfc.

Jesus christ I was refreshing /v/ for 3 days, wondering where the /evn/ thread was and if I should make a new one...and crying a little...until I realized I was on the wrong board. I missed so much important news.

>>146875084
>going on /v/ by mistake
you poor sod

>>146874249
What about that they didn't steal assets, but made nearly identical copies of the UI and other things?

>>146876821

Those people are just salty! It's a loving parody!

>>146872573
Are those the Katawa Shoujo devs?

>>146877270
Those are the date a tank devs.

>>146877402
>date a tank
I realized EVNs are not about telling a good story. They never were. It's about shooting weebs in a steam.

>>146872573
>completely ignore comment from the person whose country you're mocking
But there isn't one.

>>146872573
I really hope they get hit for the infringement. It's amazing they have the balls to piggyback on someones work like that.

Devs, if you're reading this, use your creative ability to come up with something original. This would be funny as a one time joke, or even a free game. But what you are doing makes you a fucking twat.

D:

>>146882136
>use your creative ability to come up with something original

For that, they'd need to have creative ability in the first place.

>>146878005
EVNs are just about boobs, memes, and 'problematic' jokes. That's the quick way to get an audience.

>>146882136
Holy shit, why are you so angry over a parody?

ebi-hime is writing an h-game.

>>146883569
Yuri?

>>146883569
loli?

>>146883569
BL?

>>146883537
I'm more disappointed than angry

>>146884147
are they your sons now?

>>146885115
Who's asking?

>>146882136
To be honest, while I think the idea is a bit... insensitive? I don't think they should get in legal trouble over it... I mean, I don't think it's any different to all those Twilight or Harry Potter parody novels, that you can buy in stores. And they didn't rip any assets from the game itself, so I don't really see the problem.

>>146886064
I find the idea tacky, but if they change the name or splat 'A PARODY' in the title I think they're okay legally. Right now, though, it is designed too much to look like it's a legitimate sequel.

>>146886649
Yeah, I think it's tacky and tasteless, but so long as they make it clear it's a parody I think it should be fine.

It's probably quite a good idea, since they're piggybacking off a relatively well known VN, the idea is offensive enough to gather interest and make people lol, the art is nice, and they'll be H scenes, apparently. There's no way this isn't going to do well.

>>146882136
How about
>Los! Los! Nazi Germany
>Davai! Davai! Stalinist Soviet Union

>I really hope they get hit for the infringement.
They'll add "A parody VN" in tiny print to the title and be fine.

>>146891437
>>Los! Los! Nazi Germany

Come on, anon. It should be

> Sechs, sechs! Nazi Germany.

>>146889913
>I want to puke at my own shame

>>146889913
Wondered wtf was going on till I noticed there's blue fucking text on a blue background. Who the fuck even manages to do stuff like this? Jesus flipping Christ.

>>146894914
I still don't know what's going on.

>https://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=39154
>twitter and tumblr dead links
>not saying what previous works are
>not listing so called facebook

scam

>>146896770
Not to mention the typos in a post advertising themselves as a writer. Whoops.

Also the tumblr link does work if you remove the extra part of it, but it doesn't really help matters.

http://rabidauthor.tumblr.com/

>>146897193
100 people follow me on youtube, I'm popular!

How do I remove the "help" button on the renpy default main menu?

>>146901992
Open up 'screens.rpy', navigate down to the part that contains all of the main menu text buttons and then comment out the line that has the help button on it. I'm pretty sure it's that easy unless I'm forgetting something.

>>146903446
Thank you.

cum

>>146906960
No little bitch can make me cum

>>146909231
Tell me more

>>146912219
all of that effort on the background, sprite and text box and then the text is default renpy font and colours that blend in so much you can barely read it

for
what
purpose

>>146912219
God lord, good art wasted on filthy presentation.

small

>>146843436
Yes hello

Do you guys discuss Starless here? Was just wondering if you know of similar ones in artstyle and whatnot?

>>146916387

Why can't people read the OP?

>>146916967
They read the first sentence and stop.

>>146913171
Well, they did say they were 'testing', but why you would post a screenshot at this stage...

Are EVNs so bad because nobody in the US actually reads any more?

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>>146921195
>tfw ur the only litterate person on /evm/

>>146921750

50 shades of grey doesn't count.

>>146921195
People think their ideas are the best ever is the problem. Just copying existing media isn't exactly making any breakthroughs in the medium either.

>>146921750
>ur
um, excuse me

VAs are flakes. Why didn't Tao what until all of Toko was complete before casting people if he was dead set on having voice acting? Now in a year or so when it's done half the cast will suddenly be busy with other things.

ebi-hime's new VN and infellune's VN have been greenlit.

>>146930565
is it even possible to fail greenlight?

>>146932251
Some projects were on there for months before finally getting through.

Infellune's yuri kickstarter is close to $5,500 stretch goal for after stories and love scenes. At $8,000 the game will end up getting partial voice acting.

go go apathetic people from a lesser general

Things to watch out for when looking for a job/looking for people for a project?

what's infel's track record as far as percentage of announced games that actually get finished?

after her public meltdown several months ago I'm not feeling particularly confident in the odds of her new kickstarter project actually seeing the light of day

>>146936712
i think the ks itself isn't too well thought out. one of the rewards is adding new love interests and voice acting at 8k is going to be a nightmare. i don't mind infel but i couldn't bring myself to back this project

fault was made in renpy

>>146940408
yes, and?

>>146940408
Ooga booga

tired

Why do tiddy VNs sell so well when there's so many amazing doujins and shit around? Even unvoiced, even terrible AJTilley's tiddy VNs. This is a fucking mystery. There can't possibly be so many people with absolutely shit taste, r-right?

>>146943927
Sex sells.

>>146943927
>There can't possibly be so many people with absolutely shit taste, r-right?
Oh, you have no idea, anon.

>>146909231
This looks promising, what is your project?

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is nekopara any good? on sale on steam right now

>>146947162
mindless SoL (though there's a H version too, won't recommend) with catgirls whose ears twitch and boobs shake
that's it

>>146947596
sounds good desu senpai

>>146947657
yeah, it doesn't pretend to be anything more than it is

>>146946493
it's not mine it's some random thing off LSF that will never go anywhere

>>146949058
Damn, I thought someone was actually posting progress. Thanks for keeping us bumped anyway.

>>146949058
>tfw they probably lurk here and are now unmotivated

>>146947162
Cringed the whole way through. Shouldn't appeal to anyone over the age of 13.

>>146950170
if they were lurking here they wer already unmotivated

>>146951253
Doesn't that mean any of the devs we know that come here to lurk are already unmotivated too?

>>146950654
give me a high quality voice acted ecchi VN on steam for "adults" then

>>146951331
when they decide to get things done they leave the thread for a while

>>146951782
>ecchi
>for adults

There's the problem right there.

>>146951865
that was my point unfortunately

>>146953131
Such high production values. What classic evn.

>>146843436
>"I want something hardcore. You know. HARDCORE."
Right, well, Unteralterbach is all fine and dandy but is there more or similar material out there?

The only shit I'm not into is scat, guro and snuff.

>>146951253
Don't know about that. I used to progress at snail's pace, but you fuckers lit a candle under my ass. Maybe there are others like that too.

>>146953529
evns are woefully underdeveloped for hardcore fetishes. I can think of a few that are in development, but none that have been released.

>>146954435
A shame. Oh well, thanks anyway.

>>146936712
Very low. I know people that think her premises sounded promising, only to lose hope that it will ever actually come out once they find out that her name is attached to the project.

She's doing the writing and coding for the project. If she gets burnt out, then the game either won't getting finished, or the writing and programming could be very subpar.

>Infellune(Elle)- Creator, Head of team, Writer, and Coder.

Also, she's shilling diversity to get funding.

>Lunar Wing Games is a small indie dev group that I made last year. My goal for Lunar Wing Games is to create fun, positive body type and LGBT games that everyone can enjoy. As you can see Abby is a bit chubby. I did this because I'd like to have some more different body types to help support people. I also would like to make more LGBT games from Yuri, Yaoi and even otome games that feature LGBT characters. I know I'm not the only one who does and wants to do this, but I want to help add to the genre with my own games.

>Reach for the Stars is one of the first game I created under this title. My hope for it is that players can have an interesting story and characters that they can relate too.

>>146938554
Partial voice acting at 8k, but for the intended size of game, that's only a drop in the bucket and would probably be better off spent on something else.

>>146955290
>shilling diversity to get funding
To be fair you kind of have to shill SOMETHING to get funding, whether it be "old school RPGs" or "crunchy boardgame action" or "diversity" or "wall to wall tits", you've got to be offering something you think people want

>>146955460
The game's probably gonna be a tough sell once it comes out. The MC is stated to be chubby, which most consumers don't want. And it focuses on a suicidal protagonist and bullying, which could be handled by a good writer, but I doubt someone from lemma could pull it off. If it's gonna be an angst fest that would really put /u/ and other yuri fans off.

>>146955460
Yuri itself is a great hook.

>>146955785
>If it's gonna be an angst fest that would really put /u/ and other yuri fans off.
/u/ doesn't hate Asphyxia that much despite it being a ridiculous angst fest with surprise het in backstory and no happy gay ending

>>146956105
>doesn't hate Asphyxia that much
That's not exactly a glowing recommendation. But then again, I've started to realize that many people love drama. I mean really over the top drama. The only time most will complain about drama is when it makes no logical sense, like that one route with the rapist teacher from NOBY.

>>146956398
There are certainly some yuri fans that will complain about any drama at all because they just want happy cuddles and fluff, but they're not everyone.

>>146956105
Probably just because of Georgia.

>>146958051
georgia h-scene dlc when

>>146958253
I imagine any H scene written in the super florid style of Asphyxia would read oddly, and wouldn't be all that appealing...

So the tank dating game is on sale for 5 bucks. Worth getting for some light hearted and fun reading?

I'm obviously not expecting it to be the citizen kane of VNs or anything.

>>146958950
perhaps not but something about that character makes me yearn for violent fingerbanging

>>146959331
> getting meme vns

not even once.

>>146960792
So it's not even good for some light hearted and fun reading?

>>146961440
Possibly no one here will admit to giving those people money/attention in order to play it and give you a serious verdict

>>146928179

All the voice acting is done now except the main character based on what Tao says.

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>woke up at 8 am
>worked like 5~ hours on my VN
>I still have to draw another 2 backgrounds to keep up with my daily qouta
>mfw

How much do you guys work on your stuff on an average day?

>>146963575
on an average day? not at all

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>>146963575
gee Bill, how come you manage 2 completed BGs a day when I have to spend at least 3 days on a single one?

>>146963575
0 hrs min
12 hrs max

>>146963575
0 hours, 2 minutes per day on average.
I just worked a couple weeks in a single day by drawing an unrelated picture and scribbling some idea notes into a word document.

>>146964283
The secret is git gud

>>146964792
show yer work

>>146964283
I've made 8 already. I need to do 2 more. And I don't know, I have a shit ton of BGs. They are average quality.

>>146965513
Show yer work

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>>146966070
I started to draw in May. I'm not an artist, and I can't afford one, so this is the best I can do on my own.
Pls no bully.

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>>146966070

>>146966359
You shouldn't put yourself down man, you're doing more than those who aren't trying. It's actually pretty nice (barring perspective issues, etc. etc.) your colors aren't too saturated and that.
>>146966474
It could turn out pretty nice if you continue with the color schemes. I'd personally overlook your drawing issues since it's not an eyesore to look at, so keep it up anon.

>>146966359
>>146966474

Amateurish but it gets the message across. Keep it up, senpai.

>>146962351
It has 3 more chapters to come. The chances of those VAs keeping their commitment for a year or more is unlikely.

>>146966359
>>146966474
You're doing really well for just starting in May, keep it up!

>>146966612
Oh, and one thing to keep in mind, I'd try to avoid the lines in the first picture. Try to use one line instead of several. It looks like you did some chicken scratchy stuff in a few places and it doesn't come out well in majority of art forms. I'd advise using a line tool to go over afterwards if you have to use lines like that.

Any word on an Unteralterbach sequel?

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>>146966612
>>146966785
>>146966841

T-thanks anons I really appriciate it. I'm back to work.

> https://dischan.co/

i remember that sleek black website he used to have. what happened?

>>146966359
>>146966474
You are trying unlike those guys who put actual books on Steam, which is the important part. Go for it man.

>>146967030
He went insane.

>We are a small company with big dreams.

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I love it when /evn/ goes lovey-dovey

>>146967036
>unlike those guys who put actual books on Steam,
Completing a project and making available for sale == not trying?

>>146967336
As in trying to draw

>>146967804
aaaaaah okay yeah

>>146967030
haha holy shit

like 30,000 words and I'm still barely into act 1 and I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing.

I feel like I should actually get started on making it a thing but given I'm only 10% done at best that seems pointless.

>>146968303
On the plus side I just looked it up and I'm 6% of Katawa Shoujo, so we doin; it lads.

I gotta beat it, keep repeating, it goes right round I'm dissolving

>>146969224
Good luck. I'm sure this project will drive you insane, but I hope it turns out well and that you regain your sanity.

>>146968303
>>146969224
personally I really enjoy slow-building athmospheric reads (and as a bonus after you've spent 50 hours reading about some fucks doing fuckall, you still trick yourself into caring about them because you've wasted so much time already)

>>146970576
Already has been for the past year Anon. Though 10,000 of that has been the past two months or so, so I think I've shaken it. Took A LOT of 3am conversations with my housemate.

>>146970620
Ahhh, the Grisaia effect

still weirds me out having to scrape together money for tax payments that equal what i used to make in a year

>>146972231
obligatory humblebrag post: check

>>146972231
can you lay down some rough numbers

>>146972438
maybe anon was piss poor before?

man, making all this money guys, it's pretty tough.

sometimes I just wish I was surviving on instant noodles and sleeping on my friend's couch like the good old days

>>146972438
i am your thinspiration, anon
one day you too will be a rich shitposter

>>146966816

That's why contracts exist bro.

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The closer I get to a commercial release, the more I begin to realise I probably won't get away with this super cheap looking logo I threw together in a few minutes for the sake of the demo.

Anyone around, or know of someone that might be able to make a good fantasy RPG style logo? I know this probably isn't the best place to ask but figured I might as well see, before I go out and start digging through a million different graphic designer portfolios to find someone that might fit

>>146973863
>I probably won't get away with this
Not get away with it how? I mean, it's not a great logo, but people don't really care that much about a game's logo...

>>146973597
you can't force someone to work with you or complete work.

>>146973863
having been there myself, cheap for an rpg style logos isnt a thing. your logo seems fine, just add some color, bevel and effects.

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>>146974338

That's literally what a contract agreement is, a legally binding document obligating someone to do something, in writing they agreed to under penalty.

>>146974695
Yes. Now, if they fail to keep up their end, what are you going to do about it?

>>146974309
I dunno, maybe I'm over-thinking things, but I just personally felt my amateur graphic design on top of all the higher quality assets and the like cheapened the product as a whole. Given it's an h-game though you're probably right that people won't pay much attention to that part, if at all.

It'll still gnaw at me deep down inside though ;_;

>>146974338
Yeah I definitely feel like it's too plain. I did try experimenting with gradients and stuff but felt like I was making it worse each time I poked at it.

>>146975031
At the very least, get your money back.

>>146975031

What do you mean, you? You sound like someone who has no understanding of running a business on the internet.

>>146974695
if some freelancer disappears there's nothing you can do, even assuming you live in the same country. i'd love to watch you waste your time and money explaining to a jury how you want to force someone to keep working with you.

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>>146975686

>Jury

God you're fucking adorable, you know that? So naive. You don't need a court of law to get your money back and ruin their professional career for life.

>>146975928
>get your money back
if that's all you're after you can do a paypal claim or know when to quit for whatever paltry amount you entrusted them with. Again, you can't force them to complete work or keep working.

> ruin their professional career for life.
not going to happen. you're a no-name indie gamemaker and freelancers always find work.

>>146975495
I know that when I'm signing a contract with someone in the Ukraine, the chances of either of us actually getting a lawyer involved are pretty slim.

>>146976696

Next on /evn/: anon posts from a Ukrainian jail.

>>146973597
Enforcing a contract over the internet, especially with someone in a different country is laughable. It's not like he could afford the time/money to take them to court over it either.

I think both sides know there's no way the contract will be legally binding in any way, but still do it just for peace of mind and to make things seem more 'official'

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>>146976568

You must have never worked with Paypal, you can file a claim and get your money back even without a contract.

It's a good thing you're only doing this as a hobby because based on your short few posts you'd be completely fucked running an actual business. You'd be completely fucked the moment you commissioned anyone.

But seriously don't ever try to do business, you're not cut out for it.

>>146975486
They do part of the work, you pay them for that, so you're square. Unfortunately they aren't available to do future work that they've agreed to due to reasons, so there's no money for you to get back. They did work, so they got paid for what they did of it.

>>146977776

That's why serious businesses put a breach of contract clause. I'm not sure a freelancer would sign one with it, but who knows?

>>146977589
but you're... replying to a post that explicitly mentions being able to do paypal claims.
do you have brain damage?

>>146975928
>ruin their professional career for life.
That's a terrible idea, since they could pull what that The Letter VA tried and claim the devs were harassing her. You literally can't win. It makes you look undesirable to work with.

>>146977928
Most won't sign it. It restricts their freedom/flakedom and they don't want anything that could actually be used against them.

>>146977589
i've done business with people with and without contracts, both worked out fine. if someone were to disappear, i'd simply replace them like a sane person would and move on with my life. your pretentious tone does nothing to make you sound smarter, freelancer contracts are worthless aside from covering your rights to the work and payments.

What's the most ridiculous contract you've gotten? I got one that was ten pages of fine print.

>>146978949
Contracts are still helpful to have on record in case of misunderstandings later, I would recommend using one, but I wouldn't expect it to actually get you 100% of your money back a year later if someone suddenly bails on completing a project.

>>146979308
>ten pages of fine print
Name and shame!

Seriously though, what kind of crap were they trying to trick you into agreeing to?

>>146978030

The Letter didn't have a contract, they didn't post logs, or emails. They were completely ignorant and stupid about business.

What you guys need is a BUSINESSMAN to whip those flakey artists into shape!

>>146979697
They did post email conversations they had with her. It was part of their post explaining their side of the story. The VA acted very unprofessionally instead of trying to get the mess sorted out.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/yangyangmobile/the-letter-2/posts/1467330

>>146928179
Why? Because people didn't stop bitching how they wanted VAs, so he just caved in to their demands. Adding VAs is really a make or break part for him too.

>>146980232
People want VAs for just about every VN that's released. The problem is that people don't want to pay extra for such a feature. It turns a $5 game into a $10 game. The voice patch is likely going to be heavily pirated with very few people actually paying for it. And if some /evn/ comments are to be believed, the voice acting quality isn't what people were hoping for.

Inb4 why wasn't it dubbed in Japanese.

All I want are differently pitched bloops.

>>146982293
The thing that can make anything better are memes. He just needs to create a meme mode and he'll be swimming in dough.

What are you longer than /evn/?

What do you want to beat?

http://gaming.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_longest_video_game_scripts

>>146982835

Well based on >>146968303 it's currently as long as Assassins Creed and almost as long as Kingdom Hearts.

The goal is like 400,000 so Sharin no Kuni I guess. That had three girls, secret route not really counting as a 4th.

>>146982835
I can't wait to pad out my script with tons of cooking/eating scenes so I be up there amongst the greats and have a million word script

>>146982835
no wonder Nasu doesn't want to write much any more

>>146983382
He doesn't need to write anymore with the money tree that is the Fate franchise.

>>146983382
If he wrote like a normal human his scripts wouldn't be nearly as long

I love tsukihime and f/sn but he sure does ramble with his writing sometimes. It adds to the charm in some spots when you delve into a character's mind and see them slowly going insane, but in other cases I just want to mash through it and get to the plot relevant stuff

>>146983803
He never found that balance of mind breaking people cared about and endless unnecessary bullshit.

>>146982835
Great, already beat Persona 3. Only took me 3 years.

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>>146982835
>sora no kiseki
I played the 3 games in a row and somehow it doesn't feel like I read that much.

Shit guys. I went too meta, what do I do? I can't go back.

>>146985192
How meta?

>>146985358
It's a joke about how a character is being meta which turns into a joke about how meta some of my past jokes have been.

>>146985192
Go full umineko and dissapoint everyone capable of critical thinking.

>>146984980
You may not have. That's counting all the side quests and missable text.

>>146984980
There's an insane amount of text and dialogue given to towns and their inhabitants, which help flesh the world out.

And that dialogue changes every time a day passes in the story as well, so everyone has something new to say, with little mini stories developing between villagers.

I'm sure there's other reasons as well, but I know that's probably one of the biggest reasons the script is so huge and nearly broke the translators trying to work through it all.

>>146985481
I heard that game was a masterpiece. What pitfalls did it have that people should avoid?

>>146986383
penis

It sounds like you guys just want to make more words to make more words. I bet your games are really boring. Reminds me of when I have to click through 100's of lines of inane text in JVNs.

>>146986703
It'll be as long as it has to be. I just like looking at how long other things are so I can see how far I've come.

I do not want a 1000,000 word Nasu clusterfuck

>>146986642
Did the creator pull an IDHAS and put het into a yuri relationship?

How do I go about making my own VN if I never played a VN before because the writing is abysmal? Is there such thing as a VN with good prose?

>>146986973
This is also my question. Also which VNs have the best written and most interesting characters? I need to know for research purposes.

>>146987080
remember11

>>146986383
Rehashing shit too much in order to extend chapter count to 8 when 6 would have sufficed, disappointing finale due to being unable to cope with a friend's death, calling their readers retarded, not giving proper answers and having a character do an author exposition about how people should come with their own interpretations. Which is kind of ironic, since planting an idea on the mind of your readers of how your work should be interpreted precisely contradicts that.

>>146986973
>>146987080
Just read Summer Fling from AJ Tilley. The prose he weaves are exactly what the English audience wants and deserves.

>>146986703
Not really. I delve generously into my chars psychology, but try to spice things up with actual plot advancement and funny shenanigans. It's just an ambitious story.

>>146987080
>>146986973

Just avoid F/SN. The prose is hot rubbish.

Also, I find that vns aren't particularly great for long form prose, it's more about individual lines. That being said that's just my style, I;m sure people think differently.

>>146986973
Dies Irae :^)

>>146987707
>Also, I find that vns aren't particularly great for long form prose, it's more about individual lines. That being said that's just my style, I;m sure people think differently.

I agree. Since it's a VISUAL novel. There's no need to have really flowery prose that is bursting out of the text box. Keeping things flowing at a good pace with short and concise lines is what I prefer.

Playing a game centered on a couple's relationship.
The most compelling relationship is the MC and their best friend.
Best friend is the best character in the game and the most likable.

>>146981283
why does an american vn need Japanese dub? Tao doesn't have money to toss around you know.

>>146988456
It's a free game recently published, right?

>>146988703
its highway blossoms

>>146988456
One of the benefits to having multiple relationship routes in a game is that writers are not always correct about which characters will end up having the best chemistry

Of course sometimes you still have to wait for a fandisc or sequel to get some awesome side character as a route

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>>146987080
cross channel

>>146988632
Maybe because they tend to suck less?
Also, does anyone know if it is possible to hire DECENT QUALITY (can't stress this enough) English VAs to do H-scenes without burning through your savings, all your KS money and your second mortgage against your house?

>>146986973
Maybe True Remembrance? I was a kid when I first read it, so maybe my memory is a bit foggy, but I remember the writing being neat.

>>146989483
People who do porn let it get to their heads and take advantage of the fact that most are prudes who won't so probably not.

>>146991109
>let it get to their heads
more like, only the really desperate will do it, and therefore they need money more than the bored kids drawing anime girls for a laugh

>>146991806
That's not true. Some people enjoy sexy time, and they enjoy making money from sexy time. Just because you're a prude from a prude family doesn't mean other people don't enjoy things you find satanic, sleezy or whatever.

>>146986825
>I do not want a 1000,000 word Nasu clusterfuck
Yeah, he is a total no-name loser. Who would want to make something like that?

>>146992465
People who are willing to do anything soon discover that the world is full of fetishes that are both gross and boring

>>146994397
>People who are willing to do anything soon discover that the world is full of fetishes that are both gross and boring
>this was me 4 years ago
Why did no one tell me

>>146994969
You should have asked here sooner.

>>146994397
Don't try to push your christian values on me.

>>146995503
So tired of drawing melting porn

>>146995764
but why is the porn melting?

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I was thinking of trying my hand at making a short VN for fun. Does renpy allow me to make a UI that can do stuff like this?

>>146988894
It's Toko. Ginxhou stole the show in that one.

>>146996864
technically yeah, but it will annoy the ever loving fuck out of you to attempt.

>>14699686
>''what if the readers get bored' resulting in a fucking annoying presentation

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>>146997279
Hmm, perhaps I should use this time to learn Unity instead then. I've seen some visual novel-esque games done in it.

>>146997805
You could probably do it quite easily with outside animation and some custom transitions in renpy. I'd advise posting on the lemn forums and asking for examples of what you might be able to use to achieve similar - from there it's probably only tweaking.

>>146997805
I don't see anything in that which would be particularly hard to do in renpy, other than the fact that a lot of renpy users can't code and don't understand how anything works.

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Guys, Ihave a dilemma. Is there any way to make novelesque style work in ADV format? Or should I switch to NVL? I mean like:
"Anon, your VN will most likely be crap!", he said with utter disgust.

I have a few of those. I could get rid of them, but at the same time I kind of want to keep them around. Saya no Uta pulled off style well enough...

>>147002517
You can always switch back and forth between ADV and NVL styles. Many games use the big NVL display for long narrative passages and then drop back into a smaller dialog box when people are talking.

>>147002517
I don't think it'll be a problem, but it's a bit difficult to tell from a single line.

>>147003256
In standard literature is perfectly fine. It's just that it feels a bit redundant here since, well, you have both the namebox and the sprite to convey that stuff in most cases. On the other hand, sprite expressions are finite and sometimes you want to tell something more subtle.

Maybe I simply obsess too much over minor stuff.

>>147003041
Yeah, short NVL sections were a given for me. It's the dialogue part what makes me worry.

spent the day fucking around with fonts and GUI
at least I did something

Check 1 2 3

>>147007754
don't write checks your ass can't cash

>>146966907
fuchur retired
loli evns are dead

>>147008652
only loli het evns

>>147006261

fonts are so hard to pick, there's a small line between fancy and fucking unreadable.

>>147006261
Those things are important. Remember that Highway Blossoms high contrast mode was all that kept people from returning it for poor readability. Those are aspect that people tend to overlook unless you manage to fuck them up somehow.

>>147008610
Workplace just removed openDNS so...

>>146994072
Nasu's writing is garbage. F/SN is the Naruto of VNs.

>>147009409
I know for a fact some people will hate my choice and possibly everyone will but eh.
(Too early to post a screenshot, and I'm still considering tweaks.)