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/rlg/band when edition

Poschengband 5.0.0 released (breaks save compatibility!)
http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showpost.php?p=111423&postcount=233

Vanilla Angband Comp(until July 6)
Elf Warrior with a permacursed Deathwreaker:
http://angband.oook.cz/competition.php

Junethack is ongoing for the rest of June: https://junethack.net/

DCSS Trunk Updates:
http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-12-june-2016

>FAQ and What to Play
FAQ: http://pastebin.com/Q7K91Q34 (embed)
What to Play?: http://pastebin.com/yfUKx35f (embed)

>Webterminal
Rogue Nexus – Cataclysm online with shared map and tons of other roguelikes in a simple online package! (USA Only)
http://roguenex.us

>Individual Game Pastas
http://pastebin.com/pkf1qnuZ (embed)

Old thread: >>146721321
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PosChengband? More like PozChengband.

'cause the game is AIDS.
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>>146831818
Play your best, /rlg/ I'm cheering for you!
Awooooo!
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>fedora tipping is implemented as consuming a drug
Deepest lore
At least it's not opium for the masses
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I was about to post asking when all the scary shit starts appearing in Sil, having only really faced a bunch of weak orcs and wolves so far, and one lone troll who was sorta-tough. Then I went down a level and two Trolls burst down one of the doors. At least they haven't noticed me yet...
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>>146831818
>wolf suit+
What the hell kind of upgrades can you put on a fursuit?
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>>146832116
Does it make one euphoric?
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>>146832171
Built in dildo.
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>>146832171
Kevlar
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>>146832171
Additional fur, and leather.
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HuFi plan on going Oka... what are my chances???
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How hard would it be to mod Cata where instead of zombies it's dickgirls who chase you down and fuck you?
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>>146832540
Depends on a lot of factors dude. what're your AC and weaponry like and what floor are you on
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>>146832540
Enjoy an easy win
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>>146832130
The first two trolls weren't so bad, but there were more lurking around. Then I got caught in a hall by one and half a dozen orcs lead by a captain appeared from nowhere and trapped me. Took out the troll and attempted to flee the orcs, but with 1 HP left I took my chances on the best-sounding mysterious "golden potion" and got poisoned and die.

My only comfort is that I didn't give the orcs the satisfaction of landing the killing blow.
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>>146832641
I remember when /feg/ was cool
Then I left and it stopped being cool
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>>146832839
modern feg is fucking cancer
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>>146832802
Wait what the fuck am I doing with all that exp going unused.

God damn it I'm an idiot.
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Wait what happened to fountains, can't you drink from them anymore?
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>>146833162
In DCSS? Course not, that feature's been out for years now.
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>>146833162
BLOAT
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>>146833209
I've been gone for far FAR too long
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>ovipositor
Please no /d/.
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Jesus, they nerfed the FUCK out of turrets or something.
Didn't they used to fire a volley, instead of a single shot?
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This is my first time having a dog.
I went to pillage a small settlement of six people, then this happened. He came unleashed automatically somehow when I engaged my first peasant, and sprinted North for some reason where he met this fate with a rookie hunter who beat his ass with an axe.
Anyway, so while I waited for him to be able to walk again, I went to kill the settlement's farm animals. And after I knocked one unconscious, Putrid spawned out of nowhere atop of its body, and I accidentally hit him in the head instead.
Now he does nothing but attempt to flee. I cannot speak to him anymore and he won't eat any food I give him.
Is he going to be this way forever? He hasn't attacked yet, but I assume he will once he heals.
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Man, do I need to sleep.
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>>146832601
It wouldn't be too hard, in my opinion, just time consuming. You would just need to change all the names and descriptions of monsters.
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>>146834405
With Gozag's guidance the orb of zot in your hands, you and your new friends will create the most profitable company to ever exist in the world
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>>146834596
Too bad my friends from the mines, shoals, depths, and the Realm of Zot couldn't come over.
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>>146834691
Yes they did
You are no fun!
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>>146832651
How about dying to killer bees on D6? Killed 4 on D5, go down to 6 and there are 3 more. No biggie I thought. Mistakes... idk what i coulda done. i drank all my cure, hasted, mighted. Bad rolls?
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>>146834879
On that note, I think I'll be more wary of the bribing ability in future Gozag runs. Did that gold drain FAST in the later areas, and I'm still not exactly sure how I lost all my allies in the Vaults. I did know I lost several in the Depths by attacking an ally's summoned demon, and that was before the bribe was over (I got a juggernaut and a few demons afterwards). I'm not sure why it let me attack it, but in hindsight I could have at least paid better attention.
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>started out as a yeek then cloned wyrms until he got the stone of chaos and level 50 then turned into a better race

It is certainly the most optimal gameplay choice.
But that's also a filthy exploit
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>>146834337
please respond
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>>146835057
Fucking bees. Gotta get lucky enough to not find them in the open pretty much. Or try and stair dance one or two up at a time
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>>146835154
I'm sorry, I don't play unreal world
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>>146835479
That's okay, he became friendly again shortly after posting that.
My blow to his head severely fractured his skull, I'm surprised he survived. Luckily the wikia says dogs heal all wounds in 3 days. Pretty bullshit considering that'd take my character 3 months. Odd balancing the devs have chosen.
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>>146835154
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Have I grown callous to child slaughter, or is it okay since it's in a school in America?

>>146835124
Polyrace isn't an exploit at all.
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So I started playing Sil and I really like the default font, but want it bigger. I tried increasing the width/height from 10 and 20 to 20 and 40 in the ini file but it looks super fucked when I do that. Is there any way to just scale it up?
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>>146832072
please do not lewd the awoo

regards
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>rapier
>short blades
as far as I know RAPEiers tend to be long, superior to anything in thrusting and generally one of the most effective weapons 1v1
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>>146836360
>tfw no rape mods
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>>146836360
short blades = stabbing swords
rapier = stabbing sword
rapier = short blades
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>>146836360
light blades
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Is there a way to use a custom sprite on webtiles without being a dev and pushing the commit? I don't wanna play offline.
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>>146835949
I mean the yeek coming that was removed in 4.0.2 when he's playing 4.0.1
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>>146836302
Lewd?
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>>146836934
I mean it's only natural for wolves to not wear clothes
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>>146836934
do NOT
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>>146836934
Your posts are bad and you should feel bad.
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>>146836550
>>146836582
fair enough
is there a roguelike where rapeiers are fucking strong?
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>>146837225
Brogue
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>>146837225
MaidenSnowEve
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>>146835949
>Have I grown callous to child slaughter, or is it okay since it's in a school in America?
Once you go full American, you realize the tree of Liberty and Freedom has to be litterd with blood of the children and stop caring.
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>>146837092
>>146837076
>>146836962
I don't know what you're talking about.

>>146836550
There will eventually be a time where all these distinguishing features are thrown out because of bloat and none of this will matter
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>>146837225
DDA rapiers have the highest damage per turn out of all non sci-fi weapons.
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>>146837529
sounds like a reason to finally get into this game
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>sexualizing the awoo
That's no good
>sexualizing the awoo by giving her disgusting cow tits and the usual animu body
OVER THE FUCKING LINE
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>>146837529
You're mistaking rapiers for nintedo-ryo-cheo diamond katanas.
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>>146837609
>hating big tits
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>>146837778
Diamond katanas are sci-fi, like monofilament blades.
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>>146837912
Oppai is the worst kind of non-fetish.
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>>146838093
oppai loli though
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>>146837912
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>>146838149
She can't even penetrate that cow's armor. Easy victory for DCT.
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>not liking all tits
>roguelikes
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>>146838006
Item browser claims that ordinary broadswords are better.
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>>146838216
Disgusting cow tits mean less dexterity
Cow will fall as the loli will wear her down with repeated attacks. Cow won't be able to retaliate due to her low speed and even lower accuracy.
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>>146838216
>Ogre vs MuMo
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>>146838006
I dunno, artificial diamond isn't exactly that unlikely.
And still, regular katana beats rapier with nintendo-rio-cheetos
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>>146838343
A single hit from the cow will end her though, and the cow won't take any damage as that gif illustrates.
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>>146838306
Broadswords don't have rapid attack, which increases effective dps by ~33% for non-crit attacks. Item browser doesn't show that.
Also, rapier has piercing damage which has slightly better skill scaling and much better crit damage scaling.
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>>146838343
Cow tits get damage shaving.
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bad game
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>>146838448
>A single hit from the cow will end her though
it's just a matter of time while the DFC stairdances her and whittles her HP one punch at a time.
And then the cow will fall.
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>>146838572
True, I forgot about that.
But I think the real reason why people always use katanas and shit is because you need them to use Ultimate Weeaboo Style, which is fucking insane.
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>>146838948
Big tits give like 15 GDR though. Good luck getting through that with those tiny punches.
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>>146839005
Big tits has literally 0 AC, no regen and hits for 1.5 while moving slowly.
I don't even need a shield for that.
Picture is the DCT being put in her place by the son of ra.
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>>146839091
I feel like you're being biased
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>>146839246
yeah, I meant 0 EV.
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enough weeb stuff
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>>146838575
>>146839091
You're forgetting the arousal effects of the constant manipulation of the tits, like berserkertits, but a pink mist instead of a red one.
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I have to kill a shocker brute for reasons.
I have a combat shotgun, some molotovs, some flashbangs, an SMG, and a vehicle with a top speed of 200kmph.
How should I go about killing it?
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Vs is most fun race in crawl.
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>>146839246
He has to make up for his complete lack of test somehow.

>>146839338
Molotovs + pits, shotgun if it gets too close.
You can outrun it if you have Quick.
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>>146839338
>>146839435
Scratch the outrunning bit, they're a bit faster than I remember.
Dig more pits.
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>>146839290
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>>146839316
Exactly. Tits are strong.
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>>146839385
I agree.
>>146839435
>complete lack of test
my testosterone levels are not your business
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Is there anything of value in the Netherworld lab ending or is it just a "close the door and leave" sort of thing?
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>>146839543
Yeeee

>>146839571
Go home estroboy
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>>146839940
I am home
how do you think I'm writing this
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>>146839519
jokes on you im actually a weeb myself
but this is too much, it's video games roguelikes after all mate
i love memes
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>>146839773
It contains:

Locked up netherworld enemies (Bad for you)
A portal generator (Bad for you)
A resonance cascade generator (Do I really need to say it)

It basically exists to kill the curious while being completely useless for everyone else.
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is nethack and its forks grindy? I really want to get into it, I'm even into not being spoiled and discovering shit on my own (and dying a million times in the process)
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>>146840669
>A resonance cascade generator
which does nothing
>Locked up netherworld enemies
that can't break the reinforced glass they're behind
>A portal generator
which, again, does nothing

It's utterly pointless and can't even kill you.
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>>146840684
Not really. The enemies spawn for the most part according to your level so sometimes it's best to intentionally not kill enemies so you can stay at a lower level. Even if you do want to kill everything there's only a finite number of floors.

It's far less grindy than a *band
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>>146840773
>>A resonance cascade generator
>which does nothing
Except give you telesickness.
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>>146840775
thanks. do the floors stay the same after you leave them?
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>>146840684
unless you want to grind, nethack isn't grindy.
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>>146840831
Yes.
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>>146840819
>Except give you telesickness.
yeah, but that's just the same effect you get when you use a teleporter, which is literally nothing and nobody found out until someone got randomly teleported once after using it twenty times in a row.

It's literally just a WIP like 100% of the labs.
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>>146840864
well, looks like it's time to get rid of the past and get into *hacks and cata
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>>146840958
Go for it. Nethack is a ton of fun. Just remember that it's a lot more flexible than a typical RL, you can do a ton of crazy shit if you experiment. Similarly, a ton of crazy shit can happen to YOU if you're not careful.
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>>146840913
M8 any level of telesickness has a chance of giving you the Fun Guy.
And at least the other lab finales have the decency to give you loot or a CVD table.
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>>146841028
>any level of telesickness has a chance of giving you the Fun Guy.

>0.01% chance to gain fungal parasite, removes teleglow.
that's one in a thousand chances.
Not exactly likely.

>0.01% chance to gain shakes for 40-80 turns, the chance raises very slowly with the teleglow duration.
>0.01% chance to become blind for 10-20 turns, the chance raises very slowly with the teleglow duration. There is a 12.5% chance to remove teleglow when this occurs.
>0.02% chance to start hallucinating (if already not) for 3600 turns. Removes teleglow 20% of the time.
>0.025% chance to become boomered for a hundred turns, removes teleglow.

>When duration is over 3600 turns (six in-game hours):
>0.025% chance to spawn Nether monster in 4-square radius, chance very-very slowly raises with additional telesickness duration. There is a 50% chance to remove teleglow when this occurs..
>0.03% chance to mutate, chance very-very slowly raises with additional teleglow duration. Removes teleglow 25% of the time.

>When duration is over 6000 turns (ten in-game hours):
>0.1% chance to teleport, chance extremely slowly raises with additional teleglow duration. Removes teleglow 10% of the time.
>0.004% to pass out for two hours, chance very-very slowly raises with additional teleglow duration. Removes teleglow 17% of the time.

Literally all are under 1 in a thousand chances of something not even mildly annoying happening.
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I love /rlg/
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>>146839435
>>146839518
Didn't even need to use the pits. That was pretty easy.
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>>146841180
The chances are low, yes, but it checks them every turn.
A low chance effect becomes pretty threatening when it rolls a few hundred times.
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>>146841997
I do agree with you, but you only get around 100 telesickness when you activate a resonanace cascade, which is pretty low.
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http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=c2d7a382fcf87d19c8c6dbb39bd45a203ce4a2f0
Are longblades good now?
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>>146842801
HeEn with a long blade is gonna be the new meme build.
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>>146842801
>This will almost certainly require a nerf to lbl base damage/acc, but I haven't decided how much yet.
Not for long.
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>>146842910
Dont forget massive chei buff
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>>146842912
Maces and Flails every day.
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The primary problem, and most of what makes M&F so dominant, is the fact that M&Fs, regular daggers, and various axes are 90% of the weapon spawns, regardless of level or branch.

This is why Longblades, staves, ranged weapons, and spears are not viable, generally.
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>>146843496
M&F are utter ass though
Beaten out by axes in every possible way
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>>146843542
>t. badplayer
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Slowly finishing items.
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>>146843496
>Longblades, staves, ranged weapons, and spears are not viable, generally.
Ranged weapons are the most effective tryhard weapon category in the game, and the rest of your post is a bad joke, but here's your >you anyway you filthy double naga.
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Okay, well I may not feel guilty when killing regular zombie children, but the mutated ones still affect me.

Makes sense.
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>>146843796
Language? How are you storing the player inventory?
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>>146843542
Me and another anon had a discussion about axes v MF the other day, and the results were inconclusive.

Axes:
>higher base damage on Executioner's Axe than Great Mace
>Cleave

MF:
>Huge XP savings through early/mid/late game.
>Starting war axe reaches mindelay at skill level 16, starting flail reaches mindelay at skill 14, decent branded whip reaches mindelay at
>Executioner's Axe reaches mindelay at 26, Great Mace reaches mindelay at 20.


I personally think that the cleave and ultimately higher base damage is well worth the extra skill investment, and is precisely the reason for the extra skill investment, but that's harder to argue than a simple comparison of hard numbers.

So I agree that axes are almost always better, but I'm just saying arguments do exist for other weapon classes.
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>>146843880
Well he's not wrong. How many times have you found a crossbow, harbalest or longbow just lying on the ground? It's common knowledge that lajatangs are incredibly unlikely to spawn, and good luck finding a good polearm before vaults
Longblades are slightly more common because there's many of them, but the spawn rates are still skewed towards maces/axes anyway
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>>146844019
Hydras
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Realistic, actually!
Fuck I could go for some s'mores.
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i feel like i don't have much to fear running into groups of bandits or gook warriors anymore now if i bring these guys around everywhere. and i can afford to buy much more dogs than this as it is, too. they're valued at only a single handaxe? i don't understand that, seems really cheap. since i'm reemi, literally every enemy drops handaxes.
i hope there isn't a limit to how many dogs you can have cause if i can i'll eventually have 30 and just unleash them all on bears or have them wipe out entire villages while i stay behind and craft fucking torches..

by the way, i hate dogs. i think they're disgusting animals that belong outside. my mom has a dachsand i kick around. i don't know why i wanted to collect dogs in this run.

this game is too easy and i don't know why people act like it's impossible.
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>>146844268

hydras are threatening only to nagas and chei followers. Anybody else that ever dies to a hydra is just a bad player who doesn't realize he can just walk away from a normal speed monster that doesn't have any ranged abilities. And skipping every Hydra in Lair does not significantly impact your XP.
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>>146838149
>>146838370
>Erolcha vs SpMo
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>>146844435
>Hydra
>Speed 10
Are you dumb?
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>>146844715
But they are speed 10.
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>>146843542
>says the filthy mibe
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>the dreaded speed 10 monster comes into view.
>you are terrified.
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>>146844006
Ruby, for output and input I am using curses (since ruby is slow and other libraries make it practically too slow for playing).

Inventory is for now just an array.
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>>146844972
Why Ruby?
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>>146844972
>using curses for input
>screaming profanities to move in the game
So you're a rage mage.
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>>146844948
*paralyzes you*
Heh... nothin personnel kid
*casts OoD*
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>>146845060
Last two years I hadn't had practically any time for coding, so I forgotten most of it (I was proficient in C, common lisp and ruby).

I am developing it in ruby, since I still remember most of it, and I like deving more than relearning one of the other two.
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>>146844234
>>146844381
>my mom has a dachsand i kick around.
Please kill yourself at your earliest convenience.
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>>146845450
muh poop eating, tick harboring, stinking of farts and animal B.O., utterly useless breed in the modern century, possessor of not even close to sapience who has so few brain neurons they practically are incapable of feeling pain compared to human's perspective of pain lapdog!
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>>146845607
But enough about you, what about the dog?
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>>146845725
how does it feel to be so emotionally stunted that you value non-beings incapable of thought over human beings who bring contributions to society
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>>146845778
>emotionally stunted
The irony here is so thick you can cut it with a knife.
P.S. You must be 18+ to post on 4chan.
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>>146845778
>human beings who bring contributions to society
>on /rlg/
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>>146845778
Right, your many contributions to society.
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>>146845887
>>146845778

Kids, go /out/.
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>>146845887
>you don't unconditionally love muh poop machines, therefore you're morally bankrupt
>>146845902
>>146845914
being capable of complex thought and emotion alone is more valuable to this universe than anything a dachsand will ever achieve in its life in the modern age
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I'm going to push updates to mainline DDA that implements my fetishes and there's nothing you can do to stop me.
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>>146846105
Good luck, it can't get shitier than it is.
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>>146846197
Unless he has a scat fetish.
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>>146844268

>including early game monsters in the discussion
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>>146844019
Maces are better because you can almost always get a great mace in a reasonable time frame, even without god gifts.
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I wrote a Steam review for UnReal World out of 4 AM boredom. It's too long to post in the comment box here, and too long to get it all in a screenshot.
http://pastebin.com/w163PeiW
Hopefully I save some poor neet from wasting a precious $11 allowance on this game. $11 is a lot of money to me, I'd rather have got The Last Blade 2.
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What's the point of these places?
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ZOOM
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>>146847516
Unreal world is free. Also, get a job.
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It's that time of the year again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcgOVee6bzY
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>>146848129
The Steam version is $11, and has upgrades the free one does not, namely in the graphical department. Entirely new sprites.
That sounded good to me, and I expected to invest years from my initial reactions to the free version, so I bought it up of course.

No reason to get a job right now.
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Oh, also this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmGykCTThcA

What a good musical.
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>>146848231
>>146848390
Don't they usually make them on september 19th?
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>>146848390
>21st Century Shitpost Man
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>>146848451
I hope so. Can't wait for the new album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnQVIckb574

What are you playing, /rlg/
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>>146848271
>$11 is a lot of money! I don't need a job!
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>>146848553
I don't need money. There's maybe six things I'd buy if I had some, and none of them are in any way necessary, and would all probably be major disappoints like UnReal World was anyway.

I just pirate movies. You should watch "I Stand Alone". French film. And by the same director, "Irreversible", though expect the last 30-40 minutes to be shit. The first hour is so great that it makes up for it.
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Holy shit these things are immune to damage, at least from ramming them.
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>>146848672
>Irreversible

I've fapped to that so many times.
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So that's where they come from.
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>>146849061
I fapped to it too, what he did with sound design belongs in a museum. People claim it made them vomit or have seizures, though it didn't do too much to me other than make me mildly anxious.
Hey, maybe that guy's right, maybe I should get a job, cause boy if I had money to fund a film, I'd hope to make one 1/10th as good as Gaspar Noe's stuff.
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>Playing shiren the wanderer
>Holy shit this is so much fun
>Second run die at floor 28 because I finished my scrolls and that floor was the giant monster house vault
>Oh well I'll win in next run
>Can't get past mines

W-why, it was going so well!
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>>146847896
The craters? I'm still not sure myself. Only thing I know they're good for is causing radiation if you dig up the rubble tiles, so unless you have the mutation that lets you heal in radiation or unless you want to irradiate yourself in hopes that you get a mutation, then they really don't seem to add anything to the game.
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>>146849494
this is roguelike general, not roguelite general.
you're better off in a pokemon thread on /v/. those guys love those shitty mystery dungeon games.
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>>146849584
Shiren the wanderer is a roguelike tho
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Christ death quasits are good.
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One and only...
Is this it?
Is this the cure?

https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/17398
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I take this as an invitation to depart.
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>>146850391
>make the core game into a core mod
The absolute madman.
It'd take another year at best and that's only if el grande enchilada gives it the ok.
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>>146850446
I've never seen that tile you are using. Is it just unused/custom made or something I've never spotted on crawl?
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>>146850748
New trunk unique. Only reason I'm playing trunk.
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>>146850529
>Instead of blacklist mods you will have whitelist ones.
Sounds like a divine intervention.
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>>146850391
I think he got positively pissed with the squeamish stuff.

>>146850529
>el grande enchilada
Expect various smug smartass comments.
Expect Rivet giving thumbs up.
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>>146850391
>>146850529
If I understand this correctly, this isn't a huge change. It would make generic guns and other big content mods easier to maintain.

It wouldn't fix DDA because DDA has a lot of bad mechanics to go with its bad content, but it also wouldn't take a year.
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Roguelikes suck.
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>>146851798
Your mom sucks.
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>>146851798
someone splatted hard
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>>146852086
I splatted inside your waifu.
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>>146851798

I agree.
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>>146852470
Then I hope you enjoy being a furry from now on, anon.
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>>146852470
I don't have a waifu.
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Never ever on a smith.
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>>146853443
"Never Ever play a smith" is a good rule to have anyhow.
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>>146853803
Yeah true, playing a smithing build is torture.
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Any recommendations on a good summer kit, I've been using this all spring, but I don't think it will be viable during summer with 40 warmth.
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>>146853924
650' Orodruth would be the dream though. I hope 1.4 gives smithing some love.
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Can someone please redpill me on rune sword in poschengband? From description I recognize either stormbringer or mournblade.

It's vampiric and has (-50) [-50, -50].
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>>146854398
It gets stronger (numbers and brands) as you kill things (especially uniques). If it gets big enough you'll pick up aggravate and AFC. Make sure you have enough +dam to actually be able to do damage before you put it on, since you'll need a scroll of mundanity to get it off.

Generally not considered worth it, I think. In 5.0.0 it starts out as (-10, -10) with no AC penalty.
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>>146854398
>From description I recognize either stormbringer or mournblade.
Those are both blades of chaos iirc. Rune swords are a unique item that are all permanently cursed and gain power as you kill things with them. Generally I don't think they're worth even attempting to use on anything but the hittiest of hitdudes.
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>No RL with tons of equipment, weight limit, and no static AC damage reductions
>>
>resume game
>splat to the yamata-no-orochi within five minutes of starting
Every time.

How does speed work? Examine showed he was +13 and I was +19 but he still double breathed on me.
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>>146855350
>static AC damage reductions
What do you mean by this?
>>146855364
You are faster than him, however:
I believe monsters get +3 to -3 speed randomly when they are spawned. I don't know whether this affects uniques though.
Monsters randomly gain additional energy, or lose additional energy. (Speed affects how much energy you gain each gameturn- every player turn is many game turns) Every action requires energy
You may have taken actions which require more or less energy than a normal move recently, if more- he gets to move more times, if less, he may have built up energy and when you took a slower action, he might have had enough built up to move twice.
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>>146854980
Well, it's description pretty much matched these two blades in books, so I guessed.
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>4 hits
Damn duelists are very strong, a bit OP perhaps?
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>>146856146
>8 hits
I N S A N E
N
S
A
N
E
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>>146853443
what does that forge even do? Does it add 5 to your smithing?
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>>146856146
>>146856303
That HP though
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>+7 smithing
jesus christ that thing is insane.
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>>146856487
I actually think I'm fucked here.
REEEE
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>>146856610
what you so is you read teleport level or you just teleport away
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>>146856610
TE
LE
PORT
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>>146856672
I'm safe, I thought I'd get stunned or something. Can't get the corpse though which kind of blows.
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>>146856747
>I'm safe
>arena 80
close a door nearby and get the FUCK out of there before the babble throws a psychospear up your tender human butthole
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>>146856805
All good man.
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>>146856865
how are duelists at dual wielding
that sounds like a good addition to the rapier of the duelist
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I read somewhere that Hell and Heaven exist in PosChengband, how the hell do you get there? They're not on the map.
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>>146856975
You have to kill the big boss first.
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>>146856963
Only one blow per round so dual-wielding is a waste.
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>>146857012
Oh okay, thanks bby.
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>>146857012
>kill big boss
what kind of monster would do that
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>>146857126
nagas
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>>146851798
>Outdated graphics and mechanics (lol lose all your hard work)
>This is good design
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>driving around looking for places to loot
>at a dead end in the road on my map I see a prison
>never been to one so I go to check it out
>as I get close there's a bunch of ants roaming around in the fields around the prison
>go inside the prison and almost get murdered by the guard robots with guns, but manage to take them out
>go back to my vehicle to sleep and heal, come back and clear the ground floor the next day
>downstairs there's ants that have invaded the underground floor and are fighting the zombies in there
>after clearing the prison and and looting what I can, I go back to my vehicle and decide to have a little fun and squish some ants
>drive around in the field doing donuts and splatting ants, there's no end in sight of these fuckers
>decide to drive a little closer towards the anthill on the map
>look down at the minimap, see pic related
>they're all ants
>there's still about 4 tiles of empty field on the map between my position and the anthill
Shit, look at all these fucking ants. If I was hurting for food I'd say this was a fucking gold mine. But my food storage, hell my storage in general, is beyond full and I'm doing good to eat the perishables I have to keep room for the non-perishables.
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>>146857652
Welcome to ant town.
Popolation: Dynamic.
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And (you) may tell yourself, 'My God! What have I done!'
>>
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Spammed the absolute FUCK out of her breath and summons.
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>>146858024
PUMP
THAT
CONSTITUTION
FAGGOT
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>>146858128
I am, it's just that duelists naturally have shit life. Can serpent be stunned? Because this stunning effect is really just proving itself to be a crutch because when things aren't locked in place they kick my ass. Pretty sure I'm stuck with this rapier too for the rest of the game.
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>>146858201
The Serpent cannot be stunned.
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>>146858201
>Can serpent be stunned?
nope.
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>>146858201
>it's just that duelists naturally have shit life.
They have a class life rating of 100. I think you're just too used to the more easymode classes.
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>>146858201
>it's just that duelists naturally have shit life.
you're supposed to have 18/180 at that level, not 18/60. That's more than 12 points of difference.
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>>146858314
Warrior is easymode?
>>146858403
I'm trying but it only raises like a point every time. I admit I took a little charisma because I was scared of getting fearlocked by olympians and stuff.
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>>146856963
>how are duelists at dual wielding
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>>146858551
>I'm trying but it only raises like a point every time.
quaff !newlife then
you can find it by killing thorondor
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>>146857953
nice
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>>146858201
>I am, it's just that duelists naturally have shit life.
You aren't, and they don't. That's a yeek life total right there.
>>146858403
Not to mention that the difference between 18/60 and 18/180 is probably more HP than the difference between 13 and 18/60.
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>>146858759
>Not to mention that the difference between 18/60 and 18/180 is probably more HP than the difference between 13 and 18/60
You are correct.
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>>146858759
>it went down
Do I just shift+q right the fuck now? Because Tiamat was shaving off like 250 a round and I can only image what big J will do.
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>>146859537
I'm pretty sure the point of his advice was not to raise your life rating but to potentially get you a higher internal con cap. See the table I posted above, higher con is worth far more than a few extra points in your life rating.
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>>146859537
>>it went down
it did but that only means that it was almost maxed, give or take 18/150.
Now your CON roof is way higher. slay another guardian or something.
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>>146841253
I love you too!
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>>146859679
>>146859682
I lost my telepathy for this.
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Time to try out those new LB's before they're nerfed lads.
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>>146859682
>kill layzark
>get acquirement scroll
>get these
I didn't even know they things existed. Got around 10 points of HP for raising my CON this time.
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very fast duelist running at incredible hihg speed
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>>146860652
That description will never cease to annoy me.
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>>146860875
What's wrong with it? The Eldar part?
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>>146860967
Feanor didn't traverse the grinding ice, he was the one who killed his brethren and stole their ships to cross the ocean instead. The other eldar he left behind are the ones who had to brave the northern route.
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I'd love to get this on a warrior.
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>>146859280
Is that VIM?
If so what font?
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2FAST4U
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>>146862509
good weapon
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>>146861975
Yes. Anonymous Pro.
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>dnethack's high priest replacement
dear god
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>>146863986
>dnethack's binder role
For when you absolutely, positively, want to spend all of the time reading the wiki.
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>>146850529
>start up Cata
>blacklist the entire game
>play a blank screen

MADMAN
A
D
M
A
N
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>>146862760
the only problem is that being a weapon of order it can never crit
but yeah it's still good
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>they can be stunned
heh
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>>146864803
>59/603

maximum sweating
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>>146864803
[THUNDEROUS CLAPPING]
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>>146864803
>59 HP
N-nothin p-personnel....
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>>146864959
>Congratulations! You have defeated all before you
>Select another.
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>>146864726
Should I use it the trident? I'm unskilled with it which means I have -15 to hit and duelists take a little bit to raise their weapons skills since one blow. Oh and what does "your actions are disharmonious" mean?
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Is the LB change not in trunk or something? I feel like I've been tricked into playing a tengu.
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>>146840669
>smug chen
Source? pls don't be lewd
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>>146865131
Nearly shit myself.
#NONEEDLES
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>>146842801
>SpBe
>longblades
>no AC
>dodge only
>final destination
>>
>accidentally buy the wrong ability in Sil
>it's fucking throwing mastery

I'm kicking myself now. This run has been so great so far and now I've just wasted skill points and experience on an ability I'll probably never use.
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>>146865632
You can easily make up the experience in the end game by getting 19 melee instead of 20, or something similar.
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>>146865767
Yeah, I'm just more annoyed that it's an ability that I won't make use of. I've never found throwing weapons to be particularly effective, especially compared to a good bow. Also I'm still rather early in this run so spending the points in a different ability would've been much more handy.
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>>146865234
It's not in trunk, it's in the "riposte" branch.
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commits/master
Online trunk doesn't rebuild every time there is a new commit.
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>>146865192
it means your harmony virtue was reduced
often from wielding a thing you aren't supposed to use

I don't know what weapons duelists are allowed, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were mostly short blades or something.

That said, the helm of ares is super good, though of course there is a huge opportunity cost of not being able to wear the other great helms (like Amber...)

>>146865368
smell of savescumming detected
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>>146866173
>savescumming
Simply epic meme friend, this ability is what kept me on him and he didn't logrus at all so no confusion.
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>>146865997
Oh duh. I guess I get to finish a tengu of ru. Speaking of experimental branches, test races/gods back on berotato when?
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>>146866173
>That said, the helm of ares is super good,
I don't really know about that, the whole "attract all enemies to your location" is really, really annoying. I think I might just mundane it and wear amber.
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>>146866998
It seems not very useful if you only get one blow, yes.
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>>146866506
oh das nice
>>
>non-mauler tonberry classes can still go <1 blow/round
Damn it, Chris.
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Feng Shui with Xom
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>>146866506
>60hp for a spell
This is why I dont play manaless classes
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>>146868902
He was so close,
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Literally is it even possible for the RNG to fuck you over this much?
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#justcavalrythings
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>>146869202
>rng
>fighting zeus in an open room or hallway instead of pre-destroyed terrain
>fighting hera on zeus' floor
>not expecting "casts intelligently" monsters to kill you if you're well, well below lethal health range
>not reading teleport level or destruction
fault out of fault out of fault out of fault out of ten
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>>146869202
Rip anon. That tiny HP was going to get you in trouble eventually.
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>>146869376
>he thinks this is what happened
Nah bud, let me tell you the real story.
>fighting hera
>rhythmically phase dashing to her and genociding her summons (this fight took like 15 minutes and nearly all my shit got disenchanted)
>finally get her low
>she tries to tele
>fuck no
>follow her
>next thing i know pelted with arrows for demeter and then a yellow line from zeus
Yeah, no. Fuck me.
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>>146869593
ahem
let me draw your attention to
>fighting hera on zeus' floor

also you don't want to follow tele when you're badly damaged, or need a restore, or know an enormous unique is somewhere on the floor (i.e. if you used TO on things in a vault, or if you're on a hard dungeon guardian floor, or if the Palantir tells you a baddie is about)
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>>146869593
clearly you should not have followed her
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>>146869202
You suck, are retarded, and do not accept own fault. This is a bad combination.
Have a nice day.
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Holy shit this artifact name.
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>>146869719
>>146869810
I was full health.
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>>146869843
rofl
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>>146869934
Not for long you fucking fault.
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>>146869934
Why are you fighting olympians with 630 max hp anyway?
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>>146869202
>>146869376
This awesome shit makes me want to play the game, but damn does it look daunting. Like Nethack with the dial turned up to 11.
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>>146869934
you were on the floor of ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS MONSTERS IN THE ENTIRE GAME and knew he was SOMEWHERE ABOUT and used a BLIND TELEPORT TO FOLLOW ANOTHER VERY DANGEROUS MONSTER

shockingly, you found TWO dangerous monsters! And died!

I mean, I feel bad for you and all, but it was definitely fault. You can always just find the monster that teleported away by walking around detecting, to keep control of the situation and make sure you can re-engage it in destroyed terrain
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>>146870038
Angelic healing rods and healing staves aren't enough? I didn't expect to get fucking one-shot out of nowhere.
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>>146870153
>I didn't expect to get fucking one-shot out of nowhere.
And thats why it was your own fault
>>
>>146870153
>631 HP
>not expecting to get one-shot in PCB

What were you expecting?
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>>146870153
>I didn't expect to get fucking one-shot out of nowhere.
>in lategame PCB
>in fucking OLYMPUS
OWN
W
N

FAULT
A
U
L
T
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>>146870321
>>146870328
>>146870358
>72% resist for the monster i planned on fighting
I thought I was covered.
WHY THE FUCK DOES HE EVEN HAVE PSYCHO SPEAR
I guess I did fault.
>all that time wasted
I failed all of you.
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I love when someone is in fault denial and rlg shits all over them
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>>146869593
The real thing to learn from this is to raise your con so you don't explode when something unresistable hits you.

Well, and consider eating so you aren't fainting against three top-tier endgame threats.
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>>146870612
>WHY THE FUCK DOES HE EVEN HAVE PSYCHO SPEAR
Didn't Chris make the Olympians because everything else wasn't hard enough? Or did someone else do that.
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>>146870612
The only failure in a roguelike is to fail to learn from mistakes.
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>>146870616
>you will always deny fault
>/rlg/ will always shit all over you
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>>146869202
>no stats above 18/130
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>>146870713
>Didn't Chris make the Olympians because everything else wasn't hard enough?

He made the game because Angband wasn't hard enough

Then he made shitty challenge classes because PCB wasn't hard enough

And then he added ridiculous dungeons and monsters because it still wasn't hard enough for him
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>>146870612
You've posted PCB here quite a bit recently so you should already know that ~600 HP is not sustainable especially for a melee class in end-game PCB.
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>>146870707
>>146870770
Can you guys help me understand this? I didn't want to just only pump my CON later on because I thought my CHA would my fighting useless since I'd get feared.
>>146870925
My warriors and monks didn't have a genocide though, I thought I was safe honestly especially since I had Jack's cloak for telepathy.
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>>146871113
>Can you guys help me understand this

You have no fucking CON theres nothing to get famalam
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>>146871113
I don't even play PCB, I just know enough about RLs to know obvious fault when I see it.
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>>146871113
What kind of liferating did you have?
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>>146871113
often you're able to wear by happenstance multiple sources of rFear, especially if you're remembering to use !Heroism in most fights. Having multiple rFear is as good or better than high charisma, though the charisma helps. Basically for each pip of rFear, you get an extra attempt to save, using your charisma score.

Also lategame !Boldness is really good, it is fear immunity.

Of course, 3 olympians wailing on you would fear almost anybody other than a berserker.
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>>146871113
>I thought I was safe! (more)
>Do you want your possessions identified?
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Note: When offered +3 slaying or the third pip of MR, always take the third pip. Even if you're a one eyed birdman.
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>>146871468
>getting abyssed the same turn the monster comes into view
Never gets old.
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>>146871468
Kek. This is why stealth is the most vital skill
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>>146871468

It's kind of pointless now since the Abyss is easy to get out of compared to the earlier ver. regardless on what floor you were banished as long you don't make silly mistakes in a few turns.
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>>146846502
why is there no poop & pee in CataDDA? Unrealistic as fuck.
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>>146870616
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>>146872414
Jenkem when
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>>146872392
>Abyss
>Easy
Nigga, I have 108 HP. Abyss is still an extremely dangerous place. I got spit out into Abyss:2 and I can potentially meet nexus crabs, A liches, normal liches, cancer stars, screaming starmasses, bone dragons and so on. Very bad situation even though I have the tools to survive it. I could try to cut my way out, but I think searching for the exit is the safer choice.
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>>146872414
Why do so many bras fit in CDDA?
It's entirely unrealistic.
Bras should be divided into (), (almost fits), (fits), with the rarity of (fits) and (almost fits) scaling inversely with the new bust stat, and the rarity division between (fits) and (almost fits) being 10/90%. At C36 (let's just say it's the most common until someone checks the stats for wherever in USA CDDA is set), 75% of found bras will not fit.
This would add a great deal to my immersion.
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>>146873178
why does underwear exist in cataclysm
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>>146873421
Literally free AC early game.
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>>146873178
Fuck in Cataclysm when
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>>146873421
Because a big part of DDA is the sim aspect.
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>Get frail from a nexokek, already have rC as a benmut
>Quaff cmut immediately
>You feel more vulnerable to cold. The potion had a very clean taste.
Why is this ok?
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>>146873950
DDA isn't a simulation of anything. Remove the underwear.
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>>146874480
Because mutations are fun xD
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>>146874501
>"waaaah remove bloat remove bloat"
>shits diaper
Back to dcss with you.
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>no one maintaining Generic Guns any more
>in a totally broken state in master

It looks like the mantle falls to me.
GAS THE BLOAT
REMOVAL WAR NOW
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>>146874664
There should be a way to make potions of cmut. Or new flesh that reverses mut. Mutations can turn everything upside down. The one aspect of the game can heavily change everything. No balance.
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>>146875275
It'd be fine if cMut removed 3 every time. I don't know why there is an RNG aspect to quaffing that particular potion.
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>>146838729
How many lives does a felid start with? How many times did you die?
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>>146874501
>Remove the underwear.
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>>146875356
Cmut pots are too rare also. And malmutate works too often even with optimal avoidance stats...
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>>146838729
Not a roguelike

>>146875372
1, gaining another every 3rd level. So he could have a second in the bag. All is well
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>>146875912
I think they need to change the rates of mutation and the effects of mutations. Like a 60% chance for malmutate. Or that mutations are bad less often
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>>146875912
They aren't that rare. You should always have enough for anything you find in a 3 rune, and a decent stockpile to get you through pan/slime if you always quaff when you have 3 and avoid benmut like the plague.
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>>146876371
I recently found 1 single cMut potion in a 15 rune game. Including the couple levels of zigs I did. Sure their more common now but this shit still happens
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I want to stop seeing Lady Snowblood! She is pretty spooky with no rElec.
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>>146876371
I found zero and all i had left to clear out was slime, hell, pan, vault 5, crypt/tomb and zot. So i went to Zin. Trog didnt approve and splatted me
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>>146876785
>>146876590
Maybe I'm just extremely lucky. I nearly always have 2-6 at the end of a 3 rune.
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>>146877071
Yeah you lucky fucker you. The mutations fuck me over every time i get a good game going. Wiz mode up some mut resistance 3 benmut and call the game fix
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>>146877346
scum
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>>146877071
So do I, I've won like 15 games since they removed rMut and only twice have I been screwed over. Good thing I enjoy worshipping Zin otherwise shit would suck
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"Icky wield" in PCB is permanent, right? Set by class and not relative to your stats or weapon skill?
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>>146877410
I wont stoop that low. Just keep trucking and hope for items to cope. Or a shop that sells cmuts
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>>146877346
Its definitely rarer to get fucked on cmut than it is to have them. I can go through my last 10 or so games to get postlair and check to see how many I had/quaffed. A lot of the mutation game is mitigating LoS or being a lich.
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>>146877668
Yep. For example, priests get icky wield when they try to equip anything other than blunt weapons.
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>>146877813
Unless they're blessed.
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>>146877919
Sure.
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How long until deities get an overhaul in DCSS? I'd like to see the lower end of the spectrum get buffed to be on par with the high end of the pantheon.
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>>146877346
You have to make all your stats 1 1 1 through the entire game also. No mutations but youre a sickly fucker. Challenge mode?
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>>146878145
I'd definitely like to see more utility out of fedhas
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Now I just hope the labyrinth is not near that yak.
Those aren't supposed to spawn this early, right?
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>>146880089
If you haven't found lair yet, that is probably the entrance. Read your 4 stack/3 stack/2 stack. One of them is very likely magic map.
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>>146879208
What are you going to do with your new powers?
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>>146873421
Because I get perverse, voyeuristic pleasure from looking at it in my inventory.
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>>146879208
If you lose your virginity after 30, do you get to keep the powers?
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>>146882173
Yes. Its like how curds and whey will remove vegan powers.
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>>146879208
>had a bunch of sex as a teen
>haven't touched a woman in 6 years
I can never reclaim my purity, anon. Count your blessings.
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>>146882173
No, and you get punished for trying to exploit.
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>>146877668
the human/demigod Weapon Versatility lets you ignore it though
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>>146883123
Not entirely. It will give you some extra to-hit, but won't fix the other problems of non-approved weapons like the priest spell failure penalty or inability to use your class powers as a weaponmaster.
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Never seen + HP on an artifact before. I feel like it should be +3% or something.
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>>146883757
>*corrode
Into the trash it goes
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>>146884635
It's really not bad at all family
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>>146885365
Its not bad. Id rather have troll armor if i was using lighter armor like that
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>>146885365
Well besides that, you also found it as +0. It's pretty low AC by that point in the game, you can enchant yourself something better.
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>>146885564
>getting affected by hexes
What a shitty lich
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>spend all my starting gold on potions and scrolls before discovering shieldmasters don't start with a weapon
Oops.
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>>146886165
Yeah, you can't shield bash until level 10. Might be worth changing.
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>>146882173
No, you simply get to live the rest of your life regretting that you gave up your powers for the sake of existentially unfulfilling sex.
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I picked out some really shitty Ru muts. Hopped into a pack of spriggans which seemed like easy prey if I could kill them quickly. Turns out one of them had this and I had to burn my last HW. Little bully came prepared.
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>>146869202
>it's the RNG's fault

Where's that "have you learned anything no and I refuse to" image
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>>146887507
I've come to fear the late game spriggans, especially if it's the Enchantress's band.
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Items work as expected now. Tomorrow I am going to make some equipment caps, so you won't be able to use 5 swords, 3 maces, 2 helmets and 3 heavy armours at the same time.
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>>146869934
your "full health" is about half the health you should have at that level

the serpent would have wiped the floor with you by the way because 0stun
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>>146887696
Make sure to make a special class/race which can do that though.
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I feel tribal pride in dicku's MuMo being the unquestionably funnest challenge and dicku+basil's Vs being the unquestionably funnest race.
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>>146887668
Bullies, the whole lot of them.
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>>146887668
Honestly the game tells me in red letters that I should be careful of fighting that golden dragon over there and yet every time I have to fight a spriggan it always gets to do more harm than the dragon does
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>>146887929
I won't hardcode anything, but I still have to think about that.
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>>146869261
yeah mounts splitting aggro for you is super nice
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>>146876595
>I want to stop seeing Lady Snowblood!
Too bad I'm starting a two hour MuMo marathon
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>>146887952
Literally remove all other races and keep only MuMo and VsMo
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>>146887628
>>146887786
Stop it guys I've already been memed on by the other anons.
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>>146885564
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>>146888436
I just came back
only read you about blaming the RNG before reading the rain of shit
also that's my image
saddest poner
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>>146885564
Warlock's Shield?
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>>146888761
My man Ru.
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>>146888436
poor king Theoden
:(
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>There is now a strong correlation between disco balls and demonic runes.
Now rename it the disco rune
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>D1
>literally orc wizard proof and 3 AC already
jesus christ.
What a good start.
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>>146888035
Soft-coding content like races/classes is always a good thing, IMO. Makes it really easy for players to modify things; does make it harder for them all to do interesting stuff though(probably this is better).
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Whats with great swords only having 1 greater base damage than double swords?

>>146889073
>You hear an angry buzzing!
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Anyone been playing Vanilla Bagel? I picked it up from the store and it looks surprisingly polished.
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>>146889162
Double swords are rare
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>>146888869
Cool. I've never Ran Ran Ru. Might do it one of these days.
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>>146887952
>MuMo and Vs are literally polar opposites
>mfw realizing Vs were just an essay to understand what elements were necessary for the perfect challenge
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>>146889162
>You hear an angry buzzing!
D2 frog might do me before that.
Ratbro helped me out.
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>>146889157
Most of the already tested code is like that already, since I still don't know what kind of game do I want to have in the end.

I have some ideas about support for moding already, that I would like to include, like loading structures from text files. So players will easily be able to "draw" an ascii image of a structure, give it a name and a description and then find it in the game.
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ANNIHILATED
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>>146889346
I know, it just seems like an odd progression. I looked at eveningstar vs. great mace but great mace wants 20 skill vs. 18 from great sword. Just seems a little odd.

>>146887668
>>146888017
I forgot to mention that earlier, a spen defender absolutely fucked me with 60~ damage in one turn with a laj of distortion. Those guys are insane.
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>>146889708
.json everything like Cata does
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>>146889572
Is the strategy of MuMos to spawn as much shit as they can in every floor before OOD kicks them out? I want to know if I've been doing it wrong all this time.
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>>146889991
Why wouldn't you scum like that? You have no hunger clock
Say you played a MuCK, you can just wait there and hope Xom delivers some cool shit to your feet, and get moving if something bad happens or enters your LOS
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>>146889991
>Is the strategy of MuMos to spawn as much shit as they can in every floor before OOD kicks them out?
No, that's just a filthy trick I've been using.
That fucking frog was a regular OOD I found when going downstairs, fucker got next to me up before I could do anything.

Basically what I'm doing now is I clear D1/2/3/ then reach OOD on 1 for some good easy monsters because I am STARVING for xp.
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>>146889991
It depends, really. Sometimes you can end up with OoD monsters even if you're not trying to scum thanks to how frail you start out. Sometimes you may get lucky and can get something relatively easy (but still risky) like a scorpion on D2. Other times you can get something really dangerous like a water moccasin. In one case I waited long enough on D:1 for an efreet and a wyvern skeleton to appear. I walked away as soon as both of those things were in view.
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>>146889991
No, even MuMos don't get that much extra exp once they've finally cleared the floors, and being unable to retreat because you spawned a storm dragon is worse than four extra yaks of exp.
Not to mention they can just run into OOD themselves without scumming while clearing floors.
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It didn't start as a "hey let's get more xp by waiting for 5 thousand turns" I legitimately just waited enough on D1 to heal for the OOD spawner to start kicking in as >>146890424 said, not to raise the counter on D2 and D3.

Fortunately it just spawned a centaur skeleton I could punch-pucnh-downstair-rest-upstair-punch-repeat and that fucker gave me two levels

So it just kinda became a mechanic
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As you can see here, filthy scumming at work
all the profits are going towards my new shiny shield I found
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>you pummel the ooze shaped shapeshifter
considering that was a fucking warg before I think I got it easy
let us never do that again
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>>146890932
>SHIELD
lmao wow not even a true MuMo
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Hmm
how much damage can one of these dish with one pip of RC
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>>146891102
>low level shapeshifter
Where did you encounter it? In my latest game I was surprised to encounter one that could go from a shard shrike to a titan and what not.

>>146891285
A lot, still.
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>>146891285
A fucking lot. Avoid.
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>>146891208
Bucklers are forbidden, not shields.
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>>146891374
>Where did you encounter it?
D1. I brought it down as a weaponless ogre, then he turned into a naga, then a water mocassin, then a centaur, then an ooze
I blew all my scrolls hoping for tele before he turned into an ooze, I thought I was dead.

>>146891429
>>146891374
You got it boss
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>>146891285
Storm dragons have a base damage of 25/15/15. Simulcra do an extra HD - HD*3 cold per attack, so that'll tack on 14-42 cold damage per attack. Avoid.
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>>146891208
>rules lawyering without knowing the rules
Welcome to rlg
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Bees status: smitten
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>>146892929
>8 AC

I'm skeptical.
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So I did a bunch of arena tests with spriggan defender v stuff and they can body or nearly body most mid/end game stuff. They win vs. liches like 50% of the time. Those little niggas are crazy.
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>>146892986
Found a random +2 hat and enchanted my aux

>>146892969
Ah, there it is!
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>>146893134
>>>>buckler
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>>146893134
BU CKLER?
BEULKRC?
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>>146893134
no bucklers allowed, your run is now invalid
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>>146893134
>buckler
OUT
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I used the buckler when I won
also the boots of flying
so the worse dicks can do is call me the protected
I'm more worried about that random ass manticore
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When you wizard mode a +50 buckler but still die on D5 to bees...
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>>146893715
no dude you don't understand, part of the challenge requires no bucklers. you're not actually doing the challenge any more if you break the rules like that.

Play as you want, just know you won't have a legitimate victory if you do win.
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>>146893882
Everyone used them.
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>>146893715
Even if you were to drop the buckler right now and then 15 rune the game naked people still wouldn't call it legitimate
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>>146893882
nah
I got into the MuMofesto bro
playing .18 and using a buckler

Every other pharaoh used bucklers too

I just disagree on part of the holy scriptures

I'm a bucklerhebrew.
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>>146894093
>I'm a jew
Yes. Yes you are.
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>>146894093
Might as well just slap on a robe if you're going to ignore the rules. Hell, get a god too.
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Does the dungeon level you're on have any effect on scrolls of Artifact Creation?
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Such is existence.
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>>146894387
Yes.
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>>146894431
Whomp
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Meh.
Buckler's better for now.

>>146894431
How are you farming biles without being a yeek?
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Oh hey you're good
also there's a shield on the ground
man this run is really going well
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>>146894837
>man this run is really going well

Yeah, it tends to if you cheat.
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>>146894885
>>146894058
>>
so I was doing the classic "lead zombies into burning bush" strat and one of them fucking exploded and rekt me. was he carrying a grenade or something that detonated when it fell into the fire?
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>>146895016
>rules explicitly say no bucklers

I doubt that. I think you're just trying to save face.
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>>146894448
Huh, that seems kinda goofy.

How big is the difference?
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>>146895097
Yeah, random drops can be explosive materials, of course.
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>>146895121
The no bucklers was a half joke like .15 only anon
Implo used them and didn't give a fuck
I did too
I'm not autistic enough to pull the morgues
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Ash was really good for my ogre wizard for most of the game, but wasn't that great for extended because my ogre couldn't muster up very much stealth. Was still pretty fun to play around with a lot of support spells I don't usually use.
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>>146895158
Huge.
It creates an item as if it were a really good drop for the depth you are on.
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>swamp worms are now speed 10 amphibious monsters that hit like trucks
I never asked for swamp
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>>146895491
Swamp worms should be the least of your worries in swamp
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>>146895681
I'm tempted to agree
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>>146895272
Nice
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>>146896005
Give it the fist.
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Oh hey I found two other scrolls of acquirement
these things are literally falling down from the sky

>>146896084
Soon
I just got a +3 shield of stealth
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>spider and swamp
jus
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>>146852470
hahaha weeb faggot
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>>146896550
>complaining about the easier branches

>>146895097
Zombies can drop ammo. Ammo explodes in fire. Fun ensues.
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I think I understand how they packed the same amount of XP lair had before with two levels less
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errytime
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This is the FOURTH scroll of acquirement I found
I'm not updating my trunk version if it fucking kills me
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Jaian's a dick.
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>MuMo autist shits up the thread with constant updates of his meaningless game
Can you kindly fuck off with your attention whoring?
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>>146898249
This so much, I hate this fucking faggot.
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>>146898249
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>>146898249
While I don't appreciate his posts at all, you're not exactly adding anything yourself so you (and also- of course- I) can kindly fuck off.
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>>146897830
>boooooeeeee
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So what's the next roguelike I should play after ascending in Brogue? I know that Brogue is the one of the easiest roguelikes, and I hear that DCSS is a good chunk harder, so should I try that? What's the next logical step?
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>>146898731
Well neither does your replying to my post hypocritical fuck
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>>146898993
Nice comprehension bud.
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>>146898731
We can all fuck off desu.
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>>146896550
I just had spider and swamp. They're super easy if you have rPois and know of the noble orb dance.
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Gosh
I think a teleport is in order
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is it worth it to go to places like the ossuary etc. when they come up? I always seem really low level when they pop up
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>>146898948
I thought that the difficulty for them was the other way around.
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>>146899431
Yes. Only skip them if you have to.
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>>146899431
Depends, if you can take them it's bonus exp.
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>>146899510
no brogue is miles easier than dcss if you don't play MiBe
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Great teleport mate
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>>146899431
Definitely yes. Good exp and loot, but don't get greedy and not leave when you need to
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>>146899431
Yeah its worth the risk. Oss is pretty simple unless you step on a noise trap.
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>>146898948
Brogue is far from one of the easiest roguelikes. Nethack, Angband, TSL, OWH, ToME, Cataclysm, Elona, etc. are all easier. DCSS is not "a good chunk harder" than Brogue. It's harder, but a lot of that is because of its length and spiky difficulty after the early game which can catch you off-guard. Brogue on the other hand has a very consistent, and well designed difficulty curve.

I would recommend either Infra Arcana or Sil. I think IA, Sil, and Brogue are the best the genre has to offer. They are somewhat lower on replay value than other rls due to tight-packed content, but what's there is great. If you really loved Brogue, you will love them too.

Other than that, DCSS, Vanilla Angband, PosChengband, and MaidenSnow Eve are all quite good. I would put them in a second tier below the first three.
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>>146899612
>Nethack
>Cataclysm
>ToME
>Angband
>easier than Brogue

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>146899561
I guess I should check out Brogue some time, then.
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Egos are apparently less restricted now.
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I was exploring an anthill and there was this giant swathe of lava cut through part of it. I looked on the map and it was labelled as a rift, but there was one tile that was colored differently, which was labelled as "hellmouth". What the fuck is it? It's on the opposite side of the lava rift so I have no way of actually reaching it, but it looks like there might be a spot where there could be something. Is it worth checking out or should I just ignore it and move on? Is there even a safe way to cross lava tiles? Or is it possible to maybe neutralize them or something?
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>>146899783
it's a good game but it's far too easy i ascended on my 7th attempt

the pastebin basically makes for an easy win
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>>146899612
Delete this retarded as fuck post. It reads like some troll pasta.
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>>146899808
Yeah, I've seen a blessed shovel at one point.

What type of character would care about that, I have no idea.
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>>146899734
Absolutely, all of them are just about knowing a bunch of stuff and/or staying on your guard consistently.

Brogue is actually hard because it consistently(after D3) presents difficult choices which, you know, require critical thinking. Although it can be cheesed if you find and early /Conjuration, yes.
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>>146899612
Brogue is easier than Pixel Dunegon, mate. Are you trolling?
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>>146899530
>>146899543
>>146899586
>>146899607
thanks, one more question. Mace of draining or mace of protection?
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>>146899612
Thanks for the input


I'm going to try Sil next after playing some more brogue.
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>>146899905
There's nothing there but some downstairs (that would take you into hell, I guess), except they don't work because the area and whatever it would connect to have been unfinished since the whales-era.
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>>146900296
Try to go for lumens if you can. It gets really fun and really silly after D26.
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>>146844435
Hydras swim swiftly though. They're not nearly as much of an issue in Lair as they're in Swamp unless you managed to get crazy AC
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>>146900259
Both. Draining fit living ac for everything else
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>>146900259
Depends on your stats. Protection is a safe choice though. The AC is HUGE in the early game.
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SHE KNOWS
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>>146893118
This nigga ain't kidding. Nearly anything that can't deal lots of unavoidable damage to it is likely to die quickly. With a moth of wrath it can become even powerful enough to kill an ancient lich.
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>>146897142
>boldor literally calling you a faggot
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>>146898341
So did she really commit sudoku or did the ending occur during a dream?
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Its weird that it knew to run away if it couldn't hit me, but it eventually stopped caring.
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Turns out going down in depths just to take a screenshot isn't the best idea!

Anyway don't forget to like and subscribe for more epic pwnage!

:)
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>>146902116
This is some fine cheese.
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>>146902349
fuck off
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>>146902116
>+1 spear
Nice meme
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>>146902437
>>146902589
It keeps happening. This one had a clear way to get at me too.
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>page 10
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>people getting mad about bucklers when both Implojin and Boltzmann didn't even use the right version of the game

jej
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>>146902895
>I'M A JUGGERNAUT, BITCH
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>>146905579
and?
theirs is invalidated
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>>146905712
Does that make me Ellen Page?
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>>146906109
>theirs is invalidated

That's why their names are on the mumo image right
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>>146906189
>IT MAKES YOU A BITCH
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>>146906232
dcks aint my pharoah. The pathof fist must be littered with the tedium and bandages of the nonbelievers and true believers alike. 0.15 with 15 skill not 0.18 with 4 skill ok.
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>>146906232
Probably because they put themselves on it
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>>146907085
>/rlg/ has shitty memes

Why is this allowed?
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>>146907212
you must see through the memes
and through all
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Those auras are a bit rough with quadruple wielding.
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>>146907281
If you were on standarts you'd surely be able to scrape up an imm fire blade.
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>>146907420
Only standarts I've remember seeing with *Fi were Narya, Thanos, and some Demon Lord's armour with AFC.
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>>146907546
Twilight, Azaghal, Deathwreaker, Gothmog are all standart weapons that give imm fire (and The Stick but...)

Also Railgun gives *Fi from the shooter slot (which the marilith doesn't have)
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oh and obviously Azaghal is the one that one usually finds earliest
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>>146908008
Are PCB artifacts dependent on floor or character level?
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>2 of the staircases on Zot:1 are in the shitty caged draconian vault
>Can't dig because Ru said no wands
>Go down the one staircase I can use
>Fight an OoF immediately and get frail'd, no cmut because I quaffed all mine earlier
>In the confusion of battle, the only good staircase up gets walled off by a grate
No evocations is truly suffering.
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>>146908310
floor depth and monster's intrinsic drop rules (e.g. "6 excellent objects" versus "a single good object"). What counts as "excellent" or "good" in this case is relative to the floor depth, plus things can pass a roll to appear out of depth (higher and lower than their native depth)

one of the nice things about monsters that drop a lot of excellent objects is that you generate a lot of chances for an out of depth roll on a truly good item.
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>>146908314
Why did you sacrifice artifice?
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>>146908654
For that mad piety. It was only ever going to be a 3 rune, and I figured that I'd be able to get by without. I have been doing grand without it, but never found book haste. 3 pots of haste left and then I'll never go fast again.
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>>146908829
Who wants to explore a ziggurat?
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>>146908829
Gotta learn lrd
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>>146909296
Blech, why would yo do that to brogue

interesting though
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>>146909296
Shit's too surreal it's making me uncomfortable
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>>146909296
It's like I'm really the @
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>>146909313
Not worth the exp, man. This was the one and only time it came up, so I just have to save a haste for the ascent.
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>>146909902
You'd barely need any exp to pop those grates though
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What is the stealthiest I can possibly become as a heavy armour user in Crawl?
>Shadow Dragon Armour
>Worshipping Dithmenos
>Max armour and stealth skill
What else can I do to make this retarded combo work?
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>>146911387
At least 25 Dex, hexes
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>>146911387
Pump dex, rings of stealth?
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>>146911758
Also, at least 15 strength

The size bonuses from small races would mostly get neutralized by the SDA until endgame I think, so probably a high elf or vampire
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>>146911958
I think I'll go high elf then I fucking hate playing vampires
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First time playing a Felid. Went Monk. How fucked am I?
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>>146913127
T H R E E
H
R
E
E
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>>146913478
WTF does that mean?
T
F

N
E
W
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>>146913478
3 lives? Ded by D3?
WHATS IT DO PRECIOUS
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ayy lmao
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Man, you don't fully appreciate the effort put into RLs until you try to make one yourself.
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>>146913795
Oh also, the normal dice rolls are 10d10, I just have extra because Mauler.
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>>146913127
Do i take STR or pump DEX? i think i should pump the D. but idk. how far will teeth and claws get me? did i pick a joke race?
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>>146913968
No help from you guys. ill pump the S all day then. see i think i should pump dex but what i do is wrong so ill do the opposite. LIFE SOLVED
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>>146913575
>>146913762
Trunk Monks had their UC REDUCED
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>>146913795
I still want to try that gimmick build idea posted here of throwing the death scythe as a samurai.

Does it even work? Will you still end up killing yourself? Probably by accidentally bumping into a monster with it wielded
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>>146914116
>2 minutes (yes that is a less than sign too) since asking
>No help from you guys
And yes, pump dex, it's not like you need armour. You should also consider becoming a wizard.
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>>146914317
Im new to this board and semi-new to RL.

mfw trying to figure what you said actually means
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>>146914747
Felid is probably the hardest race (without any class considerations) in the game.
You will die, twice.
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>>146914709
Thanks. Wiz mode activated.
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>>146914747
Trunk = latest stable released version of DCSS available at http://crawl.s-z.org/

Monk = punchy guy

UC = Unarmed Combat skill, essential for monks.
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Does anyone here rush a bunch of characters through to lair8 so you don't have to do it when you actually want to play?
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>>146914891
>Thanks. Wiz mode activated.
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>>146914883
So find wand of digging or learn dig, zap bite zap heal zap bite repeat and hope for better rolls than foes? I dont wanna die. not even once.
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>>146914948
UC. shoulda figured that out. Thanks. Not playing trunk. will probably stick with this unless trunk appeals to me later on.
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>>146915017
I usually ^Qyes\r when I hit Lair 6.
>>146915063
What version are you playing?
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>>146915229
.18.1, cant play online.
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Holy shit. I realized why rivet makes all these pointless commits and 1 character changes.
She just wants to keep up a commit streak.
All those pale green squares are 1-4 contributions (issues, PRs, commits).
Jesus Christ.
>>146915358
Digging has not been a spell for a very long time.
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So what are disadvantages for dualwielding in poschengband? I know you obviously lose accuracy, but swordmaster class has a stance that makes him always hit. Will it work as good as i think or i need to know something else? Pic unrelated, random pic from phone fapfolder
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>>146915657
Ive been playing melee chars mostly, I fuck up too early with mages to see all the spells, though i figured you could find a spell considering the enemies ive seen that can dig to you. Monsters get all teh cool toyz
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>>146915657
>Developer
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>>146915864
>swordmaster class has a stance that makes him always hit
It also makes your attacks do entirely fire damage, so you'll take a large penalty against monsters resistant to fire.

That said, it is really good for raising your dual wielding skill up early game.
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So found a random altar with the FelidMo. Should I? Does it matter? What god is great for Felids? Dim?
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>>146915930
more like DE-veloper, right?

...
haha
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>>146916908
Do you like fun?
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as a GrFi do you want the heavy stuff like plate armor? or do you want something more like ring
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>>146917015
Yeah. Thats why i did it.
>Ash
fug
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>>146917087
More armor
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>>146917087
if the armor doesnt make you miss attacks then wear it if its better. unless you like casting spells easier. light(er) armor for mage fighters.
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>>146917141
Ash is really awesome.
Probably not so great on a cat though.
Unless you are summoning, that is.
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>>146917326
Well since i can only wear rings and amulets... cursed items wont help. i think... i dun goofed.
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>>146915864
So with dualwielding trained from start, it will be viable without anything else?
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>>146917440
>not clearing out the other lung

what are you doing anon
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>>146918109
>the other lung
>seraph on the chase
bigger problems at hand it seems
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>>146918286
I meant before getting the orb
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so do you completely stop training your weapon at mindelay? So maces you'd stop training at 14 entirely?
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>>146918318
His lust for victory was great, but Zin is a cockbanger and wants the orb for himself.
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First birdman win. This one was pretty dicey for a long time, mostly due to me wanting piety ASAP rather than a big collection of small Ru muts. Sacrifice eye was actually really shitty and held me back for a really long time. Made me burn though a lot of buffs that I wouldn't have had to. As in true crawl fashion though, I found bearspirit and fencing gloves and all was well afterwards. All in all, a simple 3 runer. First time in a really long time that I would have done Zot in mostly stock items if it wasn't for those two items.

http://pastebin.com/TjHc6A2N
Dump for those who enjoy.
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>>146918450
Yes, usually.
If the weapon has >=20 requirement for mindelay, it can be worth it to keep raising it since the boost from the base damage will be very high. Usually it's better just to get more fighting since HP is so strong though.
M&F you stop training at either 12, 16, 20, or 22. If you are using a Greatmace/GSC you can consider getting 27 eventually, but it's not a priority.
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>>146917141
Leaving Ash is suicide for a Felid.
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>>146918795
Oh, I forgot to mention. This will be my 10th ascension online, so I guess I'm officially a goodplayer. Not that it means much, since I have a ton of offline wins from the past. I'm still sad that riposte isn't in trunk. Experimental branches online when?
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>>146919276
Good job, now go for decentplayer (>=10 combos won on the first try).
I'm 5/10 currently.
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>>146919741
well I think that's not an unflawed metric, because I can just play a bunch of Mi/HO/Ce that are absolutely any class then just pick up a weapon on D1 and go fighter. I'd say 10 races on the first try, but there might not be enough races for a person to try very many for the first time as their skill increases.
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Possible new slime tiles.
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They should make Sigmund a chick
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>>146919945
Well you can always try your best not to do that!
I have OgHu DDSu(evoker) FeBe TrAM(Troll) and HaFi.
It's fairly diverse aside from me not playing casters ever (because I just don't).
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>>146917087
Heavy as possible without your EV tanking. 20/20 is better than 30/10, but then if you're gargoyle it's probably going to be more of a 30/20 v 40/10 choice
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>>146919741
I'm 4/10 currently, maybe 5? One of my wins isn't tracked properly because it was when Hep had his own branch. Kind of hard to track regardless. I shall endeavor for decentplayer.
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>>146920038
i just destroyed him with my lvl6 Felid Monk. with a haste potion. he slept until i got right next to him. then i tore him up. i thought i was in danger.
>They should make Sigmund a chick
Because hes a biiiiiiitch
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In snekpit5 just killed i'm pretty sure about 100-some naga, does this ever end? Or am I missing something?
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Post F A S T
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>>146918795
>RIP Maud
You failed a waifu ascension?
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>>146920938
No, that's right, Snake Pit is literally infinite. Ha ha you fell for it.

Of course they run out you dummy. There's just a lot of snakes in the snake pit, surprise surprise.
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>>146917326
>>146917456
I thought having less slots to fill made it easier to become fully bound with Ash, and thus make piety super easy to raise. So wouldn't Ash actually be pretty decent on a Felid?
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>>146919945
I think a better way to judge gudness is win rate, streaks, and/or high scores. Of course combo composition still plays into that
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I'm genuinely curious, what do you guys think I should have done? In my mind there wasn't much I could have done, but then I'm mad that I lost the streak on such a strong character.

>walked out
>grinder
>realize I can't slither away
>quaff ID hoping for a buff
>read ID hoping for tele
>get paralyzed and die
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>>146920938
There can be anywhere from 50-80 nagas in P$
It seems like more because they are slow and tanky.
Snake is truly the worst designed branch.
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>>146921021
well plenty games have some sort of snekgenerator that you have to destroy, or some scene where you gotta grab the item and run. Didn't think it was THAT crazy of an idea
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>>146921023
You have to swap your rings out literally all the fucking time to have the right resists.
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>>146921078
People usually say the Shoals are harder but I'm sure I have cleared it more times than the Snake Pit.
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>>146920997
I left her on D:1 because that ascent was kind of a crapshoot. I had some demonspawn running around and I didn't want to get wrecked by a panlord or another seraph. I was already drained from a previous apocalypse and it was sgoing to start affecting things if I did it again. Damn shame too, she is my favorite unique. You can see her from when I parked her in the screenshot.
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>>146921071
walk a tile at a time my friend, and make sure every tile you take gets maximum vision. The game doesn't have enough RNG to ensure a loss on any run
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>>146921071
Message History

Unknown command.
Read which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
As you read the scroll labeled FOGREFAN YLIHE, it crumbles to dust.
You assume a fearsome visage. Grinder is unaffected.
The adder looks frightened! It was a scroll of fear.
Read which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
Okay, then.
Drink which item? (? for menu, Esc to quit)
It was a potion of cure mutation. It has a very clean taste.
Grinder gestures at you.
You suddenly lose the ability to move!
Grinder hits you! You writhe in agony.
Grinder hits you. You writhe in agony.
Grinder gestures at you.
Pain shoots through your body!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
Grinder hits you.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
You writhe in agony.
You die...
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>>146921071
Stealth? I have a hard time believing he was aware when you first saw him
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>>146921071
NaTM of Chei? Honestly, I think you did everything you could have. That is such a rough character start and its so susceptible to a lot of nonsense. I ran a bunch a few weeks ago and a lot of the early game is just outright dying to stuff you can't prevent.
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>>146921071
Don't worship Chei until you get through lair desu
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>>146921248
Shoals is harder for almost all characters.

Snake is just a fucking slog.
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How do I make fukin Molotovs in experimental Cata now. Whats this denatured alcohol shit I need to get, what happened to whiskey or brandy + rag and you're good to go.
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>>146921368
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>>146921951
Gasoline.
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I finished snake before orc...is that a weird order? Because I one hit these things now
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>>146921363
maximum LOS would let Grinder blink further away? I don't know, that still seems like a good chance of dying on a naga that's using about 1.8 turns to step. I suppose I could have spider formed to increase my speed, but that still would have taken a turn to cast. I don't believe that walking away from him would keep me alive 100% of the time, so I do think the game has enough RNG to kill a character.

>>146921397
I didn't train any stealth, I was training spider form up. Do you think that training stealth from the get go is more important for a Naga?

>>146921520
That's what I felt as I died, but there's got to be a way

>>146921558
I've thought about that before, especially on flimsy races. I think it might make sense for octopodes/felids/spriggans, but nagas are already too slow to backpedal, and in this case I died with low piety, only like a 20% speed decrease. So I think Chei's speed penalty didn't factor very much into this death.
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I'm trying to use a Dwarf Earth Elementarist, but I'm too stupid to use it properly. I always end up being killed in the early-mid game, when everybody has AC to spare. After Lair, I barely can kill shit, and it's worse when I need to kill packs of enemies, as almost all of the earth spells are single target.

Can you give me some tips?
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>>146920038
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>>146922335
Not the stealth anon, but naga TM's are pretty strapped for exp and can't afford the stealth right away. Atleast, not as early as D:1-2. I think the general idea is to be able to bowl over the dudes rather than sneak away that early, and spider form does a really nice job of that. Did you have sticks to snakes? I think your only other option was make snakes and try to slither away, but hitting tele/treeform/anything had a much higher chance of getting you out of that situation. Sometimes you just take a shot in the dark and you lose. Don't take it so hard, naga is probably the only race that deals with such hard RNG.
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>>146922478
Your mistake is thinking that crawl is designed to encourage you to use spells to kill things the whole game. You gotta use your spells early on while you transition to being a tabber just like every other character and wow isn't it exciting such diversity.

And worship makhleb if you aren't.
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Eustacio(killed), Blonk and Menkaure on D5 vs my Felid Monk. No way am i downing random pots without identifying mutie pots first... guess its scrolls for Men then
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>>146922634
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>>146922335
>>146922787
I'd imagine the starting stealth for Nagas would be sufficient given their +5. Also I think snakes might have worked. That spell works miracles
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>>146923285
>>146922787
Fuck, I completely forgot I had sticks to snakes as an option. That surely woulda given me some meatshields and made grinder burn a few turns attacking a snake. I think that was my best chance too. Can't believe I forgot about it. Well maybe on the next one.
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How in the hell do I get a death sword off the ground? Damage is awful, defences are awful, I ate an ego weapon and got nothing. Clearly there's something I'm missing.
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>>146923841
You don't

Also get good
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>>146923954
We both know that's not going to happen.
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>>146922863
>And worship makhleb if you aren't

I was worshipping Vehu to see if the nigga gave me a crowd control ability, but I guess I was too naïve to think I could get around the game with no renewable heals.
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>>146923683
Dicks to snakes is the best panic button
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>>146924695
DD are basically pigeonholed into worshipping 2Pak, Mahkleb, Trog or Ely. They could probably do work with Ru too.
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Bailey with spears outside... no thanks.
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on d12 this annoying thing started happening.
"something hits you but it does no damage" over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over even when i go to a different floor
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>>146925059
I managed to go Oka with significant suffering. Then I found a vampiric battleaxe.
For extended I can't really see anything viable besides Makhleb. Then I got necromut and the game got trivialized.
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>>146925305
Unseen horrors are unseen whores
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>>146925305
invisible thing trying to kill you probs
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>>146925305
You hear that Mr. Anderson?... That is the sound of inevitability... It is the sound of your death... Goodbye, Mr. Anderson...
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>>146925305
Heh. Are you a tablord of some kind? That really would have killed something with low AC.
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>>146925305
It's an eldritch parasite that you caught somewhere and it's now eating you from the inside!
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>>146924427
One day you may

Really though you have no AC the entire game and it's shit trying to fill your resist holes. Don't even bother trying to go deep into orc without a pip into fire or arch-viles will kill you dead. Just grind and keep grinding and then grind some more. Are you using 5.0? The new slays make it easier to get bonuses early, I found like 5 morgul weapons so far and I haven't cleared orc yet.
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Anyone ever tried out a diggermaster before? Imagine all the power you can get from those 1d2 weapons
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Wait so that new mumo poster was actually just ponyposter all along, eating his old, used up cum sock of a challenge?
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>>146926936
Ponyposter already won it and could just post from that account rather than make a new one just to shitpost on /rlg/. I doubt even he is than autistic.

Also, I came yesterday and people STILL obsess over MuMo. No need to pretend it's suddenly a horrible thing to do just because someone you don't like does it.
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>>146926936
Yes. He enjoys MuMo, as do a lot of us. It is rather played out, but so are a lot of things.
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>>146927183
That challenge tends to only appeal to the most insufferable people, that's why it needs to die already
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>>146898249
>autist complaining about roguelikes being posted in roguelike general
good to see that some things never change
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>>146927540
It's honestly more that he plays with his special snowflake sprite and feels the need to update us every time he finds a +2 hat when he just inevitably splats. It's the attention whoring that's the issue
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I reiterate what I said a few months back, ponyposter is becoming a nigh mythical figure in this general. Whenever a new shitposter shows up all fingers point to him with no regard to reason

At this rate we'll soon begin blaming ponyposter whenever someone loses their keys or gets the flu
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So give me the skinny on Hepliakqana. How does this god work? I know it has to do with ancestors or something, but does that mean the last character you had that died, or something else entirely different? For example I'm playing a Vinestalker right now, good or bad on one of them? I'm thinking it's for more melee related characters, maybe?
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>>146913127
Died to an ugly thing. Died to Mi in his Lab. Final death... to the meme i posted.
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>>146926381
Yeah, grabbed 5.0 specifically because death swords were supposed to be better in it. I'm not sure I have the patience to grind out in the early game while being this flimsy.
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>>146926381
Yeah, 5.0 has made various weapon masters playable for me.
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>>146928009
When you start worshipping him, you receive a generic spooky ghost dad. As you gain piety, you remember that your ghost dad was really a warrior girl/battle mage girl/enchanter girl. As you gain levels, your ghost dadsister remembers their that they were wearing good gear with ego's, new spells and so on. The warrior will remember that their axe was flame branded, and then speed branded, or that their shield was really a large shield of reflection all along. You can also buff your ghost dadsister and make him swap places with an enemy, and will debuff enemies when he/she dies. Really based god with an interesting mechanic that leads to fun positioning. Play a vampire monk of hep for maximum DIO.
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>>146928667
So do you get to choose whether you have a warrior ghost dadsister, or does it just go with whatever overarching class type you went with? I think this would be really fun way to play a Formicid.
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>>146928443
Once you hit 10 you can normally hold your own. Uniques can all be cheesed with speed and scrolls of confusion desu
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>>146928919
You get to pick (once) at ** piety I think.

More importantly, you get the ability to rename your buddy to your waifu's name
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>>146928919
You get to pick what class. Battle mage hits dudes with a quarterstaff and shoots icicles, warrior hits dudes with an axe and has a shield and enchanter gets a quickblade and hexes. I think they all learn haste. The warrior and battle mage are both really quality. I have yet to try the hexer.
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>>146929142
Since I'm going to be such a fucking huge bruiser I think an awesome sneaky little motherfucker who can hexes sounds sick. I think I will do that.
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>>146929271
Be sure to come back and tell us how the enchanter works out. I'm really curious how it holds up. I do know that his quickblade gets antimagic eventually, which is really great.
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>>146850446

Anti-mummy code strikes again!
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>>146928667
Can you choose the weapon of the Stando? Can it be a monk, too?
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>>146930414
I think its always set. You could choose between spear and axe for the warrior, but they might have changed that. Not so sure.
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>>146925593
GrFi i no die, me collect all runes, never roll a new toon
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Shame that hats are verboten.
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>>146931692
Thankee Mephisto.
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>begin a spriggan wanderer run
>have a BoB
I didn't know that could happen.
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Jesus christ is there a safe mode whitelist or something for DDA?
I don't want to have to mash ' every two steps because a bee and a fly are having a slapfight clear across the map, but turning safe mode off is asking to get tankbotted.
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>>146934408
Things would be different if acid rain was still around
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>>146934408
DDA's stupid long vision range causes a ton of problems and this is one of them! Fix that.
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>>146934773
Let's make vision 4 squares
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>>146934773
>>146936902
>vision is bloat
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>>146937181
>whales was right all along
>he was just trying to protect us
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Sad times.
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>FINALLY get a lucky deathsword off the ground
>When I go to do Logrus master I wake him up instantly and he fucking nails me with psycho-spear as I'm buffing up around the corner and then just destroys me

It hurts so much.
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>>146939313
Sounds like you got pozzed in your chenghole.
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Got my first win today as a GrFi. And I have to say it didn't feel as good as I thought it would. Is it just me or does this game get ten times easier half way through?
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>>146942696
For a Gr, sure. Free armor and super useful resistances.

Not to diminish your victory or anything, but maybe try a harder race next time.
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>>146942852
Suggestions? I kind of wanted to try transmuter
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>>146942928
Draconian Transmuter is an old favorite.

You can double it up and go with Chei if you want even more fun. He goes nicely with transmutations.
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Today I modularized AI, so now it's possible to play as a monster.
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>>146944295
you're doing G's work, anon
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>>146944295
Now do monster infighting. That's hard.
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Playing an OgHu, found a book of enchantments on D4, is it worth going oka instead of trog for it?
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>>146944568
>monster infighting
But why would they do that? You're the bad guy.
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>>146944685
For confusion and mind control. Also summoned allies. Also NPCs.

Plus it's kind of weird if you have a level with multiple types of monsters and they all cooperate perfectly. You'd think there'd be a little infighting.
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>>146944741
>Plus it's kind of weird if you have a level with multiple types of monsters and they all cooperate perfectly.
But anon
everyone hates you so much monsters are going to settle their differences aside just to kill you
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>>146944568
Don't worry, I will. With current setup it should actually be quite easy.
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>>146944823
That doesn't sound realistic. I like to give my dungeons a pseudo ecosystem where every creature has its own place.

It also allows for creative moments in play. Having trouble with a big monster? Lure it into a group of smaller monsters that you know it hates and retreat as they fight it out.

>>146944838
Nice. That's some depth right there.
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>>146944943
>That doesn't sound realistic.
works for crawl and nethack and literally every roguelike.

Anon, if an alien started killing every single thing in the world one at a time, starting from earthworms to geckos to humans to defeating armies just by using 1x1 corridors, I think you and I would all agree that killing HIM is the most important thing to do right now.
Because he's getting stronger, anon.
Stronger every day.
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>>146945045
I don't like to make the character an unstoppable kill-god in my games. I prefer a humble hero who just barely scrapes by most of his fights.
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>>146945142
So you literally only play brogue and sil.
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>>146945189
I certainly don't play PosChengband.
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>>146944943
Well, I am deving it, since I got bored by DCSS, nethack, and other roguelikes, so I am trying to give it at least a bit different character.

By that I mean a lot of tactics, descriptions of your sorroundings, interactions with monsters (talking, bribing, recruiting, insulting, participating in their rituals), ...

In most of roguelikes I hate that they don't have story, or that the story they have quickly gets repetitive (if I will have to kill 16 wargs one more time...). Because of that I plan to have a "modular" story, for example made of five acts, with at least five options for each act, that could be easily combined.

Descriptions are going to be generated from tags. For example, if a room has tags "lake" and "ore", one of the lake descriptors and one of the ore ones will be chosen and combined. For example: "You see a shimmering lake, in it are reflected veins of silver."
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>>146945225
that's for sure.

Brogue and Sil are the only ones in the whole list of 30something roguelikes anyone has ever talked about in the last four years in /rlg/ that accomplish something like that, though.
In every other roguelike, you end up as an unstoppable god killing machine. Or just really really strong and killing dragons.

Heck, even brogue has dragonslaying and even sil does.

so I don't really see what you're playing, anon.
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>>146945343
I suggest looking up forays of norredrin, that sounds like a great game to take inspiration from.
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>>146945343
Also player is (currently) barely any stronger than monsters, so even if he is attacked only by two goblins, if he doesn't have good equipment he is going to die.
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>>146945343
Sounds good. I like the more atmospheric roguelikes, crawl is so boring because every monster and area can be distilled down into two or three notable characteristics.

>>146945345
I'm talking about making my own. If you're a fan of the genre you should at least try.
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>>146945345
>forays
>brogue
>sil
>incavead
that's it
it's a shame nobody plays them
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>>146945419
Can you give me a link? Google doesn't find it...
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>>146945589
https://forays.github.io
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>>146945589
Nevermind, found it.
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>>146944568
Why would that be hard? Ruby is OO. Assuming the same base entity for the player is used by enemies, he should be able to just change the AI to include (or not purposefully exclude) all other entities.
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>>146945823
Currently player is just another kind of monster. AIs are defined by mixins, and if monster has player-ai mixin it's controlled by player, otherwise there is no difference between players and monsters.

This made playable monsters easy to implement, and also will made infighting easy.
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>>146945492
>>146945480
>>146945345


I think that there are at least two kinds of roguelikes.

The 'traditional' ones, like *hacks, *bands and dcss, where you level up to basically godlike status.

And "modern" ones, like brogue, forrays, ultima ratio regum, ... Which have bigger focus on atmosphere, tactics.
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>>146945823
Basic infighting (monsters attacking anything they see) is easy, the more advanced kind where they react to each other is harder. Optimally a monster should treat each other monster different than the player. I mean an orc isn't going to think a horse is on the same level as the player, so he should treat it differently. But orcs hate elves, so maybe they charge those at first sight - a distance the player would normally be unseen. Or whatever.

Point is, treating each monster as a blob of stats is a bit direct. Their role and ecology should vary.
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>>146945045
>>146944823
>>146944685
I like how much effort you put into trying to convince someone to make their game boring and derivative when they are more than capable of making something which sounds cool and fun.
Very jaded reaction.
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>>146946428
Yeah, I know. In the game there will be few cultures\races (orcs, elves, natural, demons, ...) each monster will have a variable, that will tell them how much they like\hate certain culture and this will impact their decisions.

Also, decisions of other monsters\player will change the variable accordingly (if you help somebody, he likes you more for example).
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>>146946662
Nice, sounds interesting. Good luck, looking forward to seeing more progress.
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>>146946712
I post updates here practically everyday, and there is also github:

https://github.com/MatijaSi/Welmish-Woundikins
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>>146946712
Also thanks.
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>>146946804
>Crafting, ritual based magic system, story generator, cultures generator

These sound too promising.
Surely you'll get busted for child porn or something before you can implement them.
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>>146946576
I like how prevented you are

wanna fuck
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>>146946804
>crafting
HOL' UP
Is it gonna be like sil's smithing system or like DDA's or an inbetween
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>>146946804
>>146947195
>crafting
No, DON'T.
>>146947354
>prevented
?
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>>146947509
fuck you crafting is great
stop trying to backseat design the dude's game fucker
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>>146947509
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>>146947509
crafting is the shit nigga
you just gotta tone it down and not get to fursuit levels
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>>146947509
>not crafting stuff only when you're one level above the requirements
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>>146947665
It's not fursuit "level", it's more like striking a balance between quantity and quality.
DDA has tons of useless crafting recipes because for a while it was developed by a lot of "content creators" and not many programmers.
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>>146947587
He posts here for feedback, doesn't he? I am putting in a comment that crafting sucks most of the time in roguelikes, beyond stuff like ?Enchantment, ?Branding, weapon blessing, and maybe some Sil-y stuff (smithing builds are both so close yet so far from working that it is really upsetting to me).
>>146947593
Preventative, maybe?
It's an extremely weird way to say whatever you are trying to say and I still don't totally understand what that is.
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>>146947494
>>146947509
>>146947587
>>146947665
>>146947753
>>146947765
>>146947825

Crafting will be there mostly as base for ritual magic, otherwise it will be very rare. I don't (yet?) plan implementing blacksmithing, but mixing potions will probably be included.

Also these are very far off goals.

Culture generator will basically randomly chose a few tags for each culture ("vegetarian", "thieves", "faithful", ...) and based on that made them like\hate other cultures.

Story generator is described here:
>>146945343
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>>146948154
Culture tags will also impact AI a bit and give you dialog options.
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Is Beogh's new follower resurrection ability worth a shit? Can orc followers ever become useful in lategame?
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>>146948435
There's not really any way to scale 9/11/15 HD monsters into the late game without heavily increasing said HD.
A warlord with a large shield can last pretty long, but once the AoE spells start flying they will go down pretty quick with only 120 or so HP.
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>>146948870
Saint Roka, perhaps?
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>>146949962
Saint Roka is not at all something which you can rely on getting, and even then, he's only one guy with 200hp.
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>>146907102
>sudden realization there's never been confirmation dicku was who added the names to the poster
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>>146926381
>I found like 5 morgul weapons so far and I haven't cleared orc yet
Morgul weapons seem to be super common now. I found a fucking broken dagger of morgul in my current game.
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>>146950113
there was the OOF in a straw hat
that was the mark of the dong
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>when nobody posts on /rlg/ for half an hour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjAxCx95mO8
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>>146951040
>implying the gimmick couldn't have been copied as well
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>>146951710
anon I gave you fifteen minutes of good music and the only thing you do to bump is shitpost ironically

why
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>>146934408
Just woke up so I'm hella late, but you can hit ! to temporarily disable safemode. There's also options to adjust the amount of turns until it re-enables, as well as what range it warns you at.
>>
man blind guardian are good
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Item generator and first win in a long time.
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>>146934408
>>146934773
I kind of have to agree with this.
60 square vision on a sunny day is fucking stupid.
It should be half that or so. Maybe 35-40?
Being able to list monsters as non-dangerous on sight would also be great.
I really don't care if a fucking dog is 50 tiles away from me.
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>>146951980
Makes me want to play Incavead again. Too bad the creator stopped updating it.
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>>146952241
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>>146952112
You can adjust the settings to make it less annoying. I have mine set to where it only warns me if a monster is 10 squares away.
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