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Sword edition
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>[Xuanzang event until 29.6 (13:59)]
- Use tags to unlock the next stage, see http://i.imgur.com/8mGjO7E.png for details
For the new set, Merit balls are required for unlocking the next batch of quests
- 5* Gudako CE: NP +15% more damage | star gen +15% | start with 25% NP | Talisman drops +1 (can be received by shop or drop)
- 5* Nightingale CE: Increase defense by 20% upon death (3 turns) | Increase Ball drop by 20% (can be received by shop or drop)
- 5* Lancer Alter CE: Increase party buster performance by 10% when entering the battle | Lotus +1 (Obtained in the new batch of quests)
For more info: http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info/quest_event_20160615.php#nav
>[Xuanzang gatcha until 29.6 (13:59)]
- 5* Caster Xuanzang, will be added to gatcha permanently at Camelot
- 5* Xuanzang CE: NP +20% more damage | 3 crit stars/turn | Alchemical Gold drops +1
- 4* Mordred CE: NP +15% more damage | Buster cards +8% | Peaches drops +1
- 3* gorgon CE: Star weight +100% | critical damage +5% | Meat buns drops +1
>News and Reminders
- Latest changes: http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info/news.php
- New lvl 10 bond ces for Drake, Memerivaled, Evil Cat, Halloween Liz, Nobu, Santa Alter, Kojiro, Blackbeard and Orion
>Dropmaps
http://imgur.com/a/6nXq9
>Frequently Asked Questions
http://pastebin.com/Hp918cqA
>Mega Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/HTrhq7Nk
>Translations Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/URc62gex
>Friendlist Spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q7PleXm4aQWpc0-fvUhS-p9LMoept7nc5WtwkCUX0os
>Wiki
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info
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This general needs to die
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xth for best
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best daughteru
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Best Shirou
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>>146557401
>someone still believes in the Illya route meme
Someone should tell that guy that Archer is a canon Saberfag who was too much of a pussy to seal the deal
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>>146557636
I wish one of my rolls would get sumanai'd. I want him.
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How much Shirou do you want, fampai?
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Your party is now drawn by Akira Ishida. Is it an improvement? For who?Best Arthur
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>>146557839
>he's wearing the ufotable jacket
lame
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>>146557870
Shut your whore mouth about the justice jacket.
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>>146557945
The jackets alright but it reminds me too much of that abortion
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EMIYA Lily when?
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>>146557738
Unexpectedly he is my MVP of this event.
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>lvl 1 siegfried
maybe it's time to level u[p
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>>146558020
Soon
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>>146558138
Don't listen to the memes, it isn't worth it
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Prisma event next week, followed by swimsuits, followed by Camelot, followed by the game shutting down because the world was fully destroyed due to the story getting delayed.
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All hail His Grace, Heracles Son of Zeus, First of His Name, King of the Archers, Lord of the European Myths, and Protector of the Realm
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Here's a thought. Why don't they timejump to Chaldea a few seconds earlier, enlist every Servant there, and repeat until a limitless army of Servants beats Solomon's face in?
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>>146558332
Do you really think Roman and self insert-kun are smart enough for that
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>>146558332
Solomon can say "fuck you" to magic still which is what servant vessels are made up. And just get rid of them with the flick of his hand. Also how is Gudako sustaining that many at once?
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>>146558401
If I am then my self-insert should be. Otherwise I can't self-insert now can I?
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>>146558469
The self-inserts are bound by the game parameters too. You have them do what you would do but only with the choices you are given.
Mashu and Roman aren't intelligent enough to give you the choice of "lets totally smash this time travel bullshit and roll Solomons face with infinite Arashs"
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>>146558330
Why does he wear the towel over his head. Is he retarded?
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How can one man be so rad?
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>>146558439
>Also how is Gudako sustaining that many at once?
Just take the Gudako of that time with them. If you can take welfares with you no reason you can't take them along.
Also it's a joke, jeez.
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>>146558553
Nobody cared who he was until he put on the towel
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>>146558583
If I pulled that off, would he die?
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>>146557401
So, why is Shirou going through a Last Stardust moment in the middle of a battle against Angelica?
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>>146558330
Easu is pretty cool.
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>>146558604
It would be extremely painful
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>>146558702
Easu? Is that Nasu's European cousin?
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>>146558715
He's a big guy
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>>146558760
ForHippolyta
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>>146558798
>you will never watch Herc CRIMSON Hippo
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>>146558862
The fuck does that even mean?
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>>146559198
He splits her apart with his huge maroon rod, to the point where you can't see what's blood and what's just his flesh raging inside her, then bathes her ovaries in his divine seed
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>>146559264
I'm pretty sure I've read that doujin with different names slapped on top.
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Best archer
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Bradamante when?
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ITS SIEGFRIEND TIME. PostlewdSiegfriends, and belewdto everybody.
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>>146560128
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>>146560128
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>>146560163
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>>146560128
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>>146560253
Hmmmmmm
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>>146560128
you can grate cheese on those abs
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Where are the husbandos?
DW you bunch of hacks
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Female Rad Vlad is cute
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>>146560128
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>>146560687
Are there actually a perflat Servant? I can't think of any.
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>>146560687
Gender bend event when?
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>>146560562
You MIGHT get a 4 stars Arthur in Camelot and be thankful
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>>146560876
>Arthur
>4*
He's obviously gonna be a 5*.
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>>146560820
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>>146560128
Here have a cute Sumanai
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>>146560971
Instead of her back, it should be she can never cover her ass.
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>>146560936
>a male 5* saber
lol
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>>146560876
>4 stars
What, the dick downgrades him?
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>>146560128
Sumanai is pure
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>>146561058
>Arthur
>not exception to the rule
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>>146561058
>underestimating the husband market
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>>146560820
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>>146561058
>not a male 5* saber
There's no saying that he can't be the first of it. Besides, Arthur can sell very well if DW does it right.
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>>146561058
What are you talking about? There is already a 5* male Saber, and he is the best.
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>>146560562
I swear to god if the swimsuit event has 0 male servants i'm going to fly to japan and kill DW's CEO
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>>146561058
>understimating Sakuwank
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>>146561190
>being gae
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>>146561190
Why haven't you done it sooner? They deserved to get shot about a month ago
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>>146561190
>swimsuit summer
>male
>in fanservice game
The best you could get is Blackbeard appearing in some scene
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>>146561165
>Arthur can sell very well if DW does it right
He is pretty much the perfect white knight, DW doesn't even have to do anything like the curry brothers.
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>>146561298
>perfect white knight
BLACKED when?
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>>146561190
Speedos or bikinis? I kinda want to see Rama and KoGil in bikinis, although a one piece would probably fit Rama better
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>>146561326
>what is Niggerlot
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>>146561326
You already have one and he's shit
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>>146561329
Fundoshis for everyone
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>>146561278
Since Zero Fate has been going by the omnipandering route
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>>146558558
Maoyuu colab when? Can Young Merchant outjew Solomon and David?
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>>146561358
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>>146561278
But I enjoyed it in Extra.
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>>146561424
This is fake, right?
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>>146561298
How would DW differentiate between him and Arturia in terms of skill set and gameplay wise
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Kriemhild Avenger when?
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>>146561456
You wish.
>Arthur was cucked by a nigger
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>>146561456
>he doesn't know
It's real, anon. Look it up
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>>146561190
Do it anon and save us from this hell.
>>146561165
>DW
>doing things right
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>>146561456
No
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>>146561460
>replace Instinct with something else
>different Overcharge effect on NP
There
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>>146561537
They can if they want a servant to sell really well
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>>146561514
Arthur also was a bad guy there.
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>>146561627
How?
He always tried his best to protect his kingdom.
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>>146561514
Don't worry,Niggerlot was a total dindu there
>muh evil king
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>>146561190
Jewking and Solomon bonding time when?
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>>146561819
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>>146561754
In the show he was an evil douche who abused Guin or some shit. I wish I was memeing
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>>146561610
This
Male servants usually sell well like Arjuna, Karna, Alter Cu and Dantes
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>>146561880
How did Camelot came down then if they justify Lancelot's disloyalty like that?
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>>146561880
You're really surprised that a modern tv show subverts rather than reproduces old french stories?
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>>146562001
>Cu Alter
He didn't do that good, if anything it's Kintoki and Gilgamesh that should be on that list.
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>>146562120
This is a TV show where Mulan goes to Oz and helps Dorothy get toto back.
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>>146562328
>Mulan
Servant when
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>>146562001
Cu Alter didn't sell very well judging from my nips friendlist. I would have seen a lot of him by now
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How do I pull her in the gacha?
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>>146562685
Why is Iri such a turbowhore?
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>>146562685
By spending exactly 1000 quartz.
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>>146562748
She got impregnated by the first dude she ever met, it's just how she rolls
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who /Vlad/ here?
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>>146562821
He's the best German servant by far.
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>>146562748
Isn't that Justeaze, though?
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>>146562868
>German
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>>146562798
But Acht never fucked her.
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>>146562001
Arjuna always makes my dick feel funny and I'm straight
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>>146562931
>straight
anon, I...
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>>146562901
Acht isn't a dude, he's a homo like the rest of the Einzberns. Doesn't count.
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Sugita servant when lads?
I just watched him talk about his birthday gathering and I want him as a servant now
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>>146562874
Why is Justeaze such a turbowhore?
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>>146563024
shut up grandpa, you're ded
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>>146562931
>straight
sure
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>>146562986
>homunculi aren't people
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>>146563127
Fuck off Sieg, go back fucking the French harlot.
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>>146563127
Sieg wouldn't be a person even if he wasn't a homo
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>>146563024
Could zouken even get it up or he left Sakura rape to someone else?
>>146563127
They aren't though. No human rights for them
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>>146563178
Ok
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>>146562868
Nah
also
>German
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>>146563231
And get off my goddamn lawn.
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>>146562895
>>146563252
Ok, Russian, whatever.
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>>146563189
>>146563190
So, Jannu is still pure even though she tasted that dragondick?
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>>146563307
>Russian
Is this the power of American education?
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>>146563307
That's better.
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>>146562982
>>146563103
But he has a feminine dick and he's also 2D
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>>146563356
She has Riding A+ now.
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>>146563356
Would you say she is pure if she fucked a pig? Still worthless
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>>146563307
You could have said Turkish and that would actually have been closer to the truth.
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>>146563307
He isn't Russian either
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>>146563356
That's like asking if a girl is still a virgin if she spent much of her days dildoing herself.
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>>146562931
Look Anon you might be straight in the sense that you only find partners of the opposite sex appealing enough in general to want a relationship with them but you can still have sexual attraction to certain masculine traits and be secure in that.
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>>146563307
Much as it's amusing to watch, what you're looking for is either Wallachian, or Romanian.
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>>146563307
>Russian
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>>146562931
I don't blame you
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>>146563307
>Russian
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV3xp5ZXSYA
Based Romanians
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>>146563736
>yurovision
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>>146563736
Romanians have never been based in any period or form. Fucking thieves
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>>146563778
Are you thinking of Romanians or Romani, because they aren't the same
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>>146563770
>japanese caillou
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>>146563368
>>146563443
>>146563671
OK, fuck me if I can't remember all of Europe's states.
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>>146563770
It has some good songs once in a while.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzE88IYzXLI
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>>146564106
Dont worry anon, you can always buy a gun and shot yourself.
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>>146564106
If only you lived in an age of technology with unprecedented access to the sum of human knowledge at your fingertips.
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I wonder if this is a little easter egg for some GO Servants. Seems very detailed to be a one-off thing.
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>>146563770
You don't really watch it for the music, you watch it for all the crazy shit that happens on stage while the music is playing.
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Atlanto a cute
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Le Compte is the best looking servant.
Prove me wrong but the pro tip is that you can't.
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>>146564427
Is this supposed to be a male version of evil cat? Her face is very masculine.
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>>146564427
She looks like a guy there
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>>146561460
Make his NP single target, instead of a slash/beam he jumps and does a downward stab/beam doing multiple hits and ending with the sword stuck in the ground under the enemy. There are no 5* Saber with a buster single target NP so he'd fit that niche with just that.
Make his version of instinct give less stars but also increase crit damage for one turn or just give him a one attack dodge. Then again I'm afraid if you give him a single hit dodge people will just say he's a weaker Okita but with a quick replaced by arts and buster NP.
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>>146564569
>>146564619
Its a genderbent,how slow are you?
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>>146564526
Sure, if we are talking about male servants that's it.
He has style, I like a lot how his design is actually fitting with the original character contrary to others.
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>>146564650
>>146564650
Damn, look at all those sexy children. I want to beat them all. Mostly Gil
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>>146564824
I want to beat them all at a card game.
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>>146564650
Why is Gil naked?NR a cute, I want to take her to my room while everyone looks confused.
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>>146564650
It's hard to be a single target when his NP is a huge beam. It will most likely be a stronger AOE NP than Arturia with a different secondary effect.
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>>146563014
There is one already
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>>146564868
I'd actually prefer if she had no expression at all
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>>146564870
>defeated by Joey
>had to use magic to barely save his ass
Go to sleep, Marik, you are not even third in good duelists raking.
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>>146564767
Happy that you agree anon
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>>146564870
Just run full power DRAGONS, EmEM or Infernities.
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>>146564868
Me at the bottom
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>>146564868
Doujin when
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>>146563307
>Russian
We have only two loli - Blavatsky and Ivan the Terrible.
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>>146565221
>Ivan the Terrible
>Loli
Please god no, I just want the random genderbending to end
Either genderbend them all or leave them normal, don't give me hope then crush it
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>>146565119
Joey best duelist.
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>>146564526
>>146564767
He has one of the best designs and is one of the most popular servants I don't know why DW isn't milking him more.
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>>146565550
He's very entertaining.
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This took so long it's not even funny
Why does martha need so many points next level is fucking 290 thousand
She and tamamo cat can suck a dick with those numbers
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>>146565550
Because he is fairly recent, he will appear again when they need a filler gatcha.
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>>146565779
>290k
>a lot
kek
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>>146564328
>that archer in the middle
Yoichi?
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How strong would Laplace's demon's be as a Servant?
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>>146565779
>290k only
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>>146565876
Hold up, I'll call Nasu and ask him
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Saber Miyu when?
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>>146566030
Hopefully never
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>>146566030
With any luck, never.
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Nobu a CUTE.
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>>146566030
Prisma colab never. Of course if we ever get it Miyu has to be as scantly clad as possible
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Who was the Archer in redmans Hgw? It must have been the redman, no?
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I love you Gilgamesh!
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>>146566030
Nipple
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>>146564868
Out of all the characters scat is such a lewd bitch. She is the only one who does this to my dick, don't know why
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>>146566182
Redmans HGW was Fate but with less waifu shit, so yes.
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>>146565779
>Only 290k
What a slut
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>>146566076
>>146566110
>not wanting more little girls in the game
Faggots.
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>>146566182
Should be EMIYA. Probably just had 0% interaction with him.
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>>146566269
>years of fan theory of Ilya route
>Nasu finally deconfirms it
>his alternative is way, way worse
thanks for nothing nasu
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>>146565861
>>146565917
>>146566271
290k is a fuck ton considering her level 6 was 265k
You know what was waver level 6? 150k
Even Lily is just 210k followed by 230k
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>>146566250
red eyes make everyone more lewdable
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>>146566408
waver and other *5 from lv 6 to lv 7 is 400k+
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>>146566408
>Waver
I'm doing Waver now, he needs one of if not the most bond out of anyone. I think Vlad ties with him but I don't think anyone is higher.
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>>146566417
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They should do a crossover with DIablo or Boulder's Gate.
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>>146566516
Martha just spreads her legs for anyone in comparison
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>>146566563
Further confirmation. It just doesn't work with Arc, that crazy bitch
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>>146566595
>Boulder
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>>146566638
>195k bond points difference on total to level 10
>relevant
Yeah it's almost like waver can be used to do anything while martha is only ever usable against casters as well.
They fucked up, just plain and simple there's no reason level 6 should be so high for a 4* when even a 5* doesn't need that much
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>>146566408
Stop being a faggot.
Nobu lvl 7 takes 400k, now that's some bullshit right there.
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>>146566638
On what website do you find these?
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>>146565520
Japanese still hate Russia for Kuril Islands. Do you think that they will refuse to fucktsarking again?
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>>146566408
>>146566931
>bond dailies return when
Feels wrong trying to bond with servants in a team with no chemistry.
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>>146564868
>this isn't the full pic
You should have told me. I wouldn't have fapped to a crooked pic
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>>146566890
>5* needs more bond then 4* to max
>the 4* having one level higher then the 5*s before petering off means they fucked up
Stop being an idiot. Unless you are just going for that whole 2 quartz from the first bond and stopping you are complaining about nothing.
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>>146567103
Chink datamine site
kazemai dot github.io/fgo-vz/svtData.html
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>>146567420
Thanks anon
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>>146567119
>no male russian servants ever
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>>146567119
Japan still hate China and Li Shuwho is in game.
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>>146567703
Japan hates China but Nasu has a gigantic flaming erection for chink martial arts.
He's never shown a Russian bias as far as I know.
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>>146567307
>(You) can't complain about a ridiculous high requirement unless it's the only one or highest one in the game
Granted how unfarmable those pieces of shit are even 100k is a fucking chore. DW is out of their goddamn mind if they are to implement shit for so many servants that barely anyone can realistically reach currently
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>>146567703
Nasu isn't Japan.
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>>146567775
But I currently have a servant in lvl 9 anon.
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Anyone have a link to the translated bond CEs? I remember seeing someone post a bunch here.
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>>146567775
>complain about a hard grind
>other people compain about their grinds which are significantly harder
You can't complain that a 4* has more bond then a 5* when that is only true for 1 level out of 5 either.
The whole point of them is that you only do it for your favourites or main team, if you want to bitch about them all being high in general you aren't doing it very well.
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>favorite still doesn't have bond CE
>half of main team doesn't either
ebin, thank you for this quick production DW
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>tfw no Mercedes
Why do I only roll shit zerkers
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>>146568405
oh sh-
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>>146568405
What did they do to San-chan?
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>>146566516
Yeah, fuck this, I'm done trying to level this shit
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>>146568130
DW should really get their shit together. Nobody in my team has a bond CE yet either.
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>>146567703
One person doesn't represent the whole country
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>>146567601
Maybe DW will add Koschei. He will be a tall, sweet bishonen with beautiful eyes and pretty lips.
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>>146568893
He can have her for all I care, never liked Mashu.
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>>146568893
Are his pubes on fire?
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>>146568893
Does he want the eggplant on a paper or plastic bag?
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>>146568673
That would be hilarious, he would fit in on my rapist team.
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Shiki and Medusa's bond CE when?
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>>146569046
Show your team
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>>146569110
>two favourite Servants are Medusa and Medea, Shiki is my favourite non-Servant in the game
>no bond yet after three rounds
It sucks
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I hope we get a GO character material someday
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>>146569196
>Liking females with mental issues
I like your style
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>>146568673
He is borderline immortal, so maybe caster with powerful invulnerability skills.
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>>146569191
It has me and (You)
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>>146568582
It wouldn't even be a problem if they had at least unlocked lv10 bond for all the servants from the beginning.
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>>146569346
Anyone who likes a female without mental issues has mental issues himself
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>>146569346
They might be crazy but they are also very cute
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TOHSAKA'S _ _ _ _
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>>146569449
Eyes?
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>>146569449
Is that a fucking gaijin
Get that disgusting shit out of here
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>>146569427
What if I like someone with health issues?
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>>146569449
>3DPD
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>>146569427
Does cute books that want to become real little girls and have a happy ending counts as she having mental issues?
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Any cute translators, who are bored with this event and free now, mind giving me a hand with Apo manga translation?
>>143288684
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>>146569449
Fucking hideous
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>>146569561
As long as she has issues, it's alright, who is it anon?
>>146569604
Yeah, probably I think so, maybe
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>>146569604
>idea of playing games with people is tearing their limbs off and driving them insane
Yes I think she counts as mental issues
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>>146569449
Disgusting
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>>146569620
>apo manga
Fuck off nigger.
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>>146569604
How does NR like her dick?
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>>146569709
Apocrypha is objectively good
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>>146569427
I'll never get the best one anyway.
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>>146569449
eyes are obviously fake why go that far.
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>>146569764
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>>146569745
Torn off.
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>>146569745
She has a dick?
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>>146569620
Won't it just be translated tomorrow anyway like the last chapter was?
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>>146569709
Apocrypha is good. Without Sieg as the main protagonist it would've been great.
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>>146569690
>>146569663
Good, that means she is good wife.
>>146569886
>>146569745
She doesn't has a dick.
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>>146570045
Neither of those statements are true.
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>>146569620
Wait is apocrypha mango already released? Where can I read it?
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>>146569764
Ayylmao even a 13 minute prototype OVA is still much better than apocrypha.
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>4 Nightingale CE in shop
where's the last one
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>>146570107
Raw was posted on boys love. One group scanned the previews, so they'll probably do this chapter as well.
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>>146570134
In your heart
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>>146570134
RNG drop. Go farm dem stage anon.
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>>146570045
Yep, I'm still pissed of how it went.
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>>146569663
Okita-san
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>>146570134
Drop.
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>>146570236
Her win quote is hilarious
Another victory for OKITA,,,BKRGHGHGGHHGH blood everywhere
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>>146570236
Dai shouri?
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>>146570112
Fuck off. I've studied art in college so I have a bit more refined taste and understand how to look at things on an objective level. That's why I find Apocrypha enjoyable.
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>>146570134
Remember Halloween Iri and School of Chaldea?
Yeah,last one is only available from drop
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>>146570318
An anon already pulled that one
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>>146570318
I missed you
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>>146570304
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>>146570318
You forgot the high IQ.
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>>146570304
KOH?!
It's so cute, I want to take care of her.
>>146570309
Always shouri
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>>146570079
With a proper story direction Apo would have easily surpassed Fate/stay shit.
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Post servants that would enjoy learning about your country from you
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>>146570504
>no best king
>shitty faggot traitor clone instead
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>>146570368
What is David doing?
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>>146570318
Some one post the intellectual college high IQ student please, I lost my screenshot of his posts.
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>>146570504
If by proper story direction you mean a rewrite from the ground up, sure. Get rid of Amakusa, Jeanne, Sieg, Astolfo, a few of the Black masters, change up Siegfried and Karnas contributions, that would salvage it.
It would also be a totally different story so saying that means fuck all.
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>>146570576
People like to shit on Arty but really why would Arthur like a child born from sleep rape and that its Morgan's at that?
It was Mordred being a fucking autitst that ruined everything
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>>146570551
George love travelling and taking pictures after all
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Daily reminder that if you don't want to kill your waifu/husbando it's because you don't love them enough
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>>146570368
I noticed the bounce during her extra attack
Clearly her buddhism power can't be contained
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>>146570551
Marie. Jannu and David because jewish domination
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>>146570653
Is he the objectively best saint?
>>146570645
Just getting rid of Sieg would improve a lot, it would make Jeanne already more interesting and give Siegfried more time. I don't have a problem with Amakusa existing but him being the big bad detracts from the team grail war which was the most interesting thing from apoc
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>>146570645
>Amakusa
He is the best Apo character though and best Shirou.
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>>146570645
>get rid of Marik
I'll kick your ass at a card game.
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>>146569369
Well, I think he must have these skills:
Sense of Presence A
Evade attacks (1 turn)
Attacks will ignore evasion (1 turn)
Target: Self
Cooldown: 8 turn(s)
Rejuvenescence (Water of Life and Death) A
Remove debuffs
Recover HP each turn (3 turns)
Increase NP gauge each turn (3 turns)
Increase Arts Card performance (3 turn)
Target: All Allies
Cooldown: 10 turn(s)
Battle Continuation EX
Revive with low HP and reduce skills cooldown by 2 turns when defeated (5 turns)
Target: Self
Cooldown: 12 turn(s)
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>>146570834
>Jeanne without Sieg would be a good character!
>get Jeanne without Sieg
>she isn't
If you want Apoc to be even passable she needs to go too.
If the only way to save a story is change the author, main characters and driving plot then the story is generally considered shit.
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>>146570893
>not sending him to the shadow realm
It's not a proper children's card game if you are not sending someone to the shadow realm
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>>146570551
>Then, what should we talk about today? I can talk about anything but, if possible, I’d like to hear more about Master! I’m really interested!
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>>146570950
I don't know who you are talking about but that second skill is way too much anon
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>>146570868
>best Shirou
>no seigi no mikata
No, it isn't. Vanilla Shirou is best Shirou.
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>>146570989
But anon, without beating him at a card game, it's not as satisfying to do so.
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>>146571080
Stop making Kogil even cuter anon, my heart can't take it
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>>146571098
>retarded manchild
>best
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>>146571080
>>146571080
Ok, put on on the wig and the skirt and hand me those pliers over there
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>>146571235
>not following your ideals and fulfilling your dream
That's right, I forgot. Amakusa couldn't do that, he lost midway.
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>>146570551
Would love to tell my ancestor about african-american culture, like rap music for example.
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HF Shirou>Miyuverse Shirou>Redman>Fate Shirou>Fluffy Shirou>Amakusa>UBW Shirou
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>>146571471
But HF shirou is shit.
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>>146571471
Wasn't he raised with Kotomine? I thought Risei adopted him
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>>146571568
That image is from before it was revealed Shiro Kotomine wasn't actually alternate Shirou
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>>146571563
He has a mind of steel. And a magic arm.
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>>146570551
Tell Vlad that his proud people are now reduced as cheeki breeki alcoholics in adidas suits
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>>146571471
And all of them are still not as seigi no mikata as Sumanai
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>>146571193
But that's exactly what he says, anon. His my room lines are cute as hell.
>You may think I'm just a child, but I can do anything you command, Master.
>This is just sentimental on my part, but I feel like I’ve been Master’s Servant all along. Yup, this is surely a blissful illusion. Even if it means it’s a dream I have to wake up from…
>I was once a king, but…I have forgotten about it. It’s because this room is so comforting, Master!
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>>146571471
>raised by kotomine
>by
Just
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>>146571443
>Amakusa lost midway
Citation needed.
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>>146571662
>Vlad gets summoned to modern day
>"How has my nation fared after I risked it all to remove kebab"
>EU_2016.png
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>>146571694
King of Cute, how can anyone not fall in love?
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>>146571708
>>146571568
Are just forgot that Risei's fullname is Kotomine Risei?
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>>146571471
UBW Shirou>HF Shirou>Archer>Miyuverse Shirou>Marik>Fate Shirou>Fluffy Shirou.
That's the truth, don't try to deny it.
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>>146571694
>master's birthday? I don't care.
Well thank you Gil
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>>146571471
Aw fuck I forgot manjew
Throw him in between HF and Miyuverse, Manjew is great
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>>146571758
Trying to prevent him to rush to his homeland to fix shit himselfevery time the news were on would be half the fun of summoning him
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>>146571813
That pic is probably talking about Kirei since it's comparing him with Kerrytugu also apparently this>>146571632
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>>146571832
Hair down Rin get's to me a lot more than twin tails.
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>>146571803
Because the actual King of Cute is Arturia, not some male.
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>>146571913
That's okay, because twintails a shit.
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>>146571890
Manjew and amakusa aren't related to shirou why do you put them here?
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>>146571747
Apocrypha, he losses against Jeanne and company. His objective is not fulfilled.
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>>146571935
But I will make Kogil into a girl anon
>>146571884
If he didn't care he would not even now it master's birthday, Gil-kun is so shy
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>>146571935
Objectively wrong.
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>>146572015
Because they are Shirou-clones.
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>>146571913
She looks like aoko
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>>146571935
Arturia is not cute
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>>146571935
Literally worst girl in whole fate franchise.
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>Arthuria Lilly is better than vanilla
>Kogil is better than Gil
>Shirou is better than Archer
>Medea lilly is better than old hag
>Liz is better than older murderous hag
>Shotandar is better than loud bara
Is Nasu trying to tell us something?
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>>146571913
2 years older Rin is miracle. I don't know how is it that she didn't exist before.
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>>146571471
>gives up ideals for worms
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>>146572235
>yes
>yes
>yes
>no
>no
>no
It seems pretty even actually
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>>146572235
>shirou is better than archer
Citation needed
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>>146572245
You mean two years older shirou right? That green thing he wears is /fa/ as fuck
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>>146572235
>Shirou is better than Archer
Very funny.
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>>146572262
>get his own ideasl rather than blindly following Kiwitugu
Seems better to me.
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>>146572015
>Manjew
>not related to Shirou
What?
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>>146572226
>implying there aren't more in-universe Saberfags than everyone else
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>>146572235
>Saber Rais is better than Bluebeard
Maybe.
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>>146572376
>his own ideal is worm pussy
Not that good really
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>use support Iskandar
>have 10/10/10 skills
>last wave with Lamias and Lancer Alter
>use all his skills
>can't kill the last Lamia with his NP
Are you fucking kidding with me?No one told me about this shit.
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>>146572438
Why is Lancer Alter raping her daughter
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>>146572376
>blindly following Kerry
>implying that Shirou isn't superior
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>>146572408
>implying the opinions of normalfags matter
She's to fate what sao is to anime. Overrated shit for faggots
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>>146572438
I don't get it
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>>146572323
I don't know, that justice jacket he used in his young days is as good., if not better.
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>>146571091
But... but..
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>>146572071
>I will make Kogil into a girl
Shit taste, his personality is perfect for a shota. He's already ok with crossdressing.
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>>146572235
>Liz is better
Kek
>>146572264
>Iskander is better than Alex
Yeah no
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>tfw only person on the planet who likes the t-shirt more then the jacket
The jacket makes him look more generic
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>>146572376
>implying any of the Shirous aside from Archer blindly follow Kerry ideals
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>>146572542
>in-universe
>implying Medea, Gil, Shirou & Rin are normalfags
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>>146572576
Don't be sad, it's not your fault, it's by DW design that most skills should suck
>>146572623
Then I don't need to turn him into anything
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>>146570653
tl fucking when? I just want to typesett this because he was my defender in ibaraki event.
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>>146572395
He is not shirou
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>>146572693
That's because she's an insufferable mary sue and shitty Takeuchi does everything to wank her. That's another reason why she's shit
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>>146572897
She is also the reason typemoon hasn't crashed and burned be grateful to your king faggot
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>>146572654
It makes him look more handsome while still maintaining the essence of the character.
Justice jacket is the best thing that could happen to Shirou.
>>
Notice why there are no female to male genderbends /fgog/?
Yeah that's right, women are shit warriors whether fiction or non-fiction.
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>>146572949
Saber makes them the most money, Saber does not make them all their money.
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>>146572949
>his favorite pokemon is Pikachu
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its time.
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>>146573009
ProtoMerlin.
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>>146572542
Can't agree more with this anon
Fuck the 50000 guys who waifued arturia, get some taste
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>>146573053
Father and son bonding time is cute CUUUUUTE
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>Amakusa
>successful
>no plot armor
>not overpowered
>Emiya
>successful
>almost Sieg-tier plot armor
>overpowered via asspulls
That's why Marik is the best.
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>>146572882
He was literally Shirou during the day when outside the church.
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>>146573053
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>>146572949
I would almost bear her is they didn't spam her shitty face anywhere. She's a whore, a commercial whore
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>>146572897
>insufferable mary sue
>implying they don't just have good taste
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>>146572990
It's just a generic jacket. The t-shirt at least made him stand out more, with the jacket the only thing stopping him from being random LN protagonist #3986 is ginger hair, and it's not even a particularly great jacket. It's just a jacket.
This is opinions since I'm sure someone is going to go nuts over muh justice jacket.
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>>146573208
Why is mordred so sweaty?
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>>146573084
Merlin is a man, if anything ProtoMerlin is just a "no homo" asspull
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>>146573189
>Amakusa
>successful
In what? He didn't accomplished any of his goals in both of Grail War he participated.
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>>146573084
I thought Merlin is originally a male? Even in Arthurian legends.
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>>146573189
>successful
He literally failed every time
>not overpowered
le magic black hole man :^)
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>>146573189
Amakusa was not successful and was very overpowered
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>>146572376
His own ideals included condoning a whole neighborhood dying because of pussy. I'd understand not regretting it but he didn't give a fuck and the narrative even made it seem as something minor
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>>146573053
>>146573208
Stop posting this fucking garbage every thread.
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>>146573053
Who is this comic even for? It's hilariously OOC for people who actually like both Saber and Mordred.
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>>146573053
Godammit I just cant help but felt weird seeing this Arthuria everytime.
Please tell me this is Nero in disguise.
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>>146572949
Saber is and always will be the worst part of TM.
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>>146573556
Crack lovers maybe.
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>>146573284
Both are generic, the t-shirt is a generic shirt you can find anywhere and the justice jacket is a generic jacket you can find anywhere as well. I bet you can find a full Shirou costume if you go to your closest Walmart, that doesn't make it bad because Shirou is the kind of character that would just use the cheapest clothes available somewhere near his house.
And random LN MCs only ever use school uniforms, using casual cloths is already rare for them.
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>>146573594
It's okay. Even JETS feels inadequate next to the king.
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>>146573606
Crack pairing is at least isnt so out of character they become literally someone else.
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>>146573594
Saber is okay, saberface trait isn't.
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>>146573284
Shirou is a poorfag.
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>>146573717
Shirous t-shirt isn't the most unique garment in the world but Jap protagonist who wear a non-uniform t-shirt almost all the time are reasonably rare.
>And random LN MCs only ever use school uniforms
Only the ones in school, otherwise they almost all wear black or part black coats or jackets, just like Shirou. I mean they gave him that in the first place because that's the overwhelming trend in nippon.
They added something to the original, but that addition just makes him lesser.
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>>146573919
Shirou is fucking loaded, he is just a jew.
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>>146573189
>be overpowered for no reason
>still fail
Sasuga Marik
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>>146573332
>>146573393
>killed Vlad
>got almost all Red Servants gathered under him
>made a literal husband killer the waifu to fall for him
>managed to steal the grail
The fact he lost to Sieg and Jeanne is nothing but a retarded asspull of a kind "The good always wins over evil".
>>146573396
>was very overpowered
No, he was not.
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>>146573208
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>>146573284
Nigger it's a pretty great jacket. And it made no sense for Shirou to be out on a winter night with only one layer of clothing.
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>>146574075
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>>146573929
Find another MC with a jacket like Shirou's then. They never even use jackets to begin with, just coats or something more unreal.
His jacket is not more generic than the t-shirt in the sightless.
>>146573919
He has money, but he is not the kind to buy expensive clothing just because.
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>>146574032
Shirou has the yakuza that could pay for whatever he wanted, but he doesn't want to be a burden on others and so he works for everything. It's a little different from being a jew.
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Will we ever summon pic related?
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>>146574073
>can generate black holes and see the future
>blocks La Pucelle
>duels super boosted protag Sieg, Karna, Vlad
The guy is a 17 year old who totally failed a peasant rebellion and who was told by the Vatican to fuck off because he wasn't important enough. He's one of the more notable NIPPON BANZAI wanks.
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>>146574073
>No, he was not.
Nigger he stole Scar's arms, he was OP as fuck
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Mordred and hassan is the only acceptable genderbends the rest are shit.
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>>146574229
WHY IS MORDRED SWEATING SO MUCH?
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>>146574267
>>146574306
Still not as OP as Emiya who fucking killed Gilgameme and Saber Alter while other Servants couldn't even dream of it.
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>>146573284
>generic jacket
It doesn't look to be bad actuallydepending on who wears it
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>>146574073
>last boss
>not overpowered
Come on its Fate,every stronk guy get punked by literal who 24/7 for the sake of jobbing
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>>146574229
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>>146574238
Literally 5 seconds in google
You would think people have better things to do then lose it over someone liking a shirt more then a jacket, honestly
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Is there an updated Servant parameter chart?
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>>146574267
He can only use the black hole when hooked up to the Grail and he sacrifices his arm to do so, he never duels Karna as far as I can remember, and he had the advantage against the vampire because it was part Darnic, who was in shock at the time that the Ruler from the Third War survived, and he was able to use Baptismal Sacraments on a far more powerful scale than most Executors.
Really, most of his supposed OPness comes from being hooked up directly to the Grail, which makes just about any Servant overpowered.
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>>146574419
Shirou killed Saber Alter. Shit, Shirou killed Gil too, Emiya just stole the kill.
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>>146574419
That's not being overpower, he had to kill himself in the process to have a chance against Alter.
Gil was a thing of compatibility combined with Gil's arrogance.
Amakusa on the other side could generate black holes with his hands.
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>>146574307
Genderbends aren't that bad if done right and rarely, the problem is when half of the characters are waifubait.
Anyway, genderbend is still better than saberfaces, at least with the first one you get new characters and design, with the second is just spamming the same shit
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>>146574637
By tapping into a near unlimited power source.
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>>146574419
Because Gil is a shit fighter. That's the entire point of his fucking character. He's worthless but has lots of shiny things.
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>>146574597
So? Having a reason for being overpowered does not somehow not make a person overpowered. He throws black holes around as his normal NP too.
Saying that it's all just the grail so it doesn't count is like saying all the Alters are weak as shit.
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>>146574419
>>>/reddit/
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>tfw ohayo anon is ded
;_;
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>>146574637
>had to kill himself
Didn't Saber say that a suicide attack against someone leagues above you is just suicide? It's MC plot armor
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>>146574536
How does that looks like Shirou's blue with white jacket aside from being another jacket?
Neither the design nor the colors are the same.
>lose it over someone liking a shirt
I thought we were having a casual conversation about whether the jacket makes him more generic or not.
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>>146574523
Nobody wants to see this shit for the 50th time, stop posting it.
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>More excited about store restock than I was during this entire event
I can't wait for the release date for the next chapter already
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>all these Seigi no Shitter apologists
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>>146574750
> Gil is a shit fighter
Didn't he do a lot of borderline inhuman shit on his legend?
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>>146574597
He duels Achilles, not Karna. Still everything else about him reeks of YAMATO DAMASHII syndrome like his NPs which are stuff Nasu and Higashide made up wholesale or how much of a genius he was. Though most of my dislike towards him is that he ruined the Black vs Red thing, plus i thought his logic for using the Grail was dumb.
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>>146574830
It is, he died and Saber was still alive regenerating her wounds.
I fail to see the plot armor when the MC actually dies.
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>>146574771
It's something he doesn't have access to ever outside of very specific circumstances. In GO, he's using Chaldea instead.
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>>146574419
Against Gil he had lots of mana from Rin, his NP was his exact counter and he was buffed in the fight with Archer by copying his fighting style.
Against Alter he was helped by Rider, he had Archer's arm that's quite strong and also we don't know how strong Alter is, when she was around almost all the servants were dead so she's probably weaker than Herc and Gil
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>>146575053
>that he ruined the Black vs Red thing
Blame Jannu,Sieg and Astolfo
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>>146575028
Yes, maybe he needs Enkidu by his side for him to take things seriously, or at least not let his arrogance get carried away.
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>>146575070
>very specific circumstances
Specific circumstances that just happen to be present in every single appearance he has had and will have? Come off it.
If your argument is he's not overpowered because it's possible for him to not do it despite doing it every time he shows up that's just sad to read.
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>>146575028
>nasu
>giving a single fuck about the actual legend.
If he gave a fuck he'd probably know that it's definitely not the first recorded king.
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>>146574949
>Shirou's jacket
>blue with white
It's black and white, which is the same colour scheme as that one. That jacket is also almost the exact same design, jackets have a pretty uniform shape.
MCs wearing black or majority black jackets is quite common. MCs wearing casual t-shirts is not.
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>>146575230
>fag can copy swords faster than i can spam it
>let me just spam more swords at him
There is being arrogant and there is being stupid. He could just have punched his lights out
>>146575319
That's a better explanation
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>>146575070
>It's something he doesn't have access to ever outside of very specific circumstances
>The two times he ever appeared he had it
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>>146575319
He does know, and he knew before writing it like that, but he wanted the boss of FSN to be special so he made him the King of Heroes and oldest Heroic Spirit. If Nasu knew how popular the series was going to be he probably wouldn't have set it in stone so much but Gil is insanely popular himself so I suppose it worked out.
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Anon
Hey, anonEnerloop!
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>>146575540
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>>146575295
>>146575453
Are you being serious? He worked his ass off for 60 years to get it in Apo. He happened to get summoned into a system where he could us it in GO (i.e. He's a 5* so they needed something flashy for him to use as a NP)
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>>146575434
>He could just have punched his lights out
You are forgetting Shirou had absorbed most of Archer's fighting style, and Gil was flat-footed. The entire fight was Shirou rushing forward, and every time Gil tried to swing at Shirou, he called up its copy and destroyed both weapons. Gilgamesh had no momentum to get a single hit in, and the narration states outright if that opportunity appeared the fight would be over and Shirou would lose.
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>>146575534
>king of heroes
>literally spends his entire story getting humbled
>is a massive ass
I mean I guess we can't blame nasu for Urobochi's stupid shit to be fair.
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>>146575534
>knows it's wrong
>does it anyway because it's cooler like this
That falls under not giving any fucks
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>>146575680
Again, having a reason for being overpowered does not stop someone from being overpowered.
Amakusa has the ability to pull black holes out of his ass. He has appeared in multiple works and can do it in all of them. The mechanics behind him pulling said black holes out of his ass do not change that.
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>>146574536
Wait a minute, isn't that one Ikki's school uniform?
It has been a while since I'm read it but I'm pretty sure he is one of the characters that always uses his school uniform.
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>>146574523
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>>146575680
Are YOU serious? When he has a game breaking ability whose "demanding" conditions just happen to be met every time he appears, he is overpowered. Gilgamesh spent decades amassing his treasury, does that suddenly mean he is not overpowered? There's nothing to debate here, you are just being stupid
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>>146575818
When he's connected to the fucking Holy Grail. That's like saying Lancelot always has access to a jet.
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>>146575715
>spend the first part of the game wanking servants telling how humans can't hold a candle to them
>apparently with enough technique you can say fuck it to the strongest
Having absorbed Archer's skill doesn't mean shit when he is only human. Any servant including TA should be able to beat him in a fistfight
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>>146575958
Why wans't she wearing pants?
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>>146575824
Pretty sure that his Kogarasumaru's jacket
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>>146576040
>isn't connected to the grail in GO
>can still do it
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>>146576053
she was being nursed when she fainted.
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>>146576121
You done? Can you fuck off now?
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>>146576040
>Lancelot
>Multiple appearances
>Can only use the jet in one
>Amakusa
>Multiple appearances
>Can make black holes in them all
>these are the same things because reasons
Right
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>>146576084
He's connected to a power source that can run 100+ Servants all at once. Pretty sure it literally says in his profile that he can only use it because of that.
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>>146576182
no.
going to start from mordred1.jpg just to piss you.
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>>146576084
GO is a fanservice game where you get to have your servants do the cool things they do in whatever media they are from.
>>146575715
That would have been gibberish thematically though.
Also I want to point out that really, the greeks should be bigger deals than gilgamesh, Odyssius, Achilles, Hercules.
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>>146576047
Shirou's body is toughened when tracing weapons, this is established. It hurts like hell when clashing with a servant but we saw even in the fucking prologue he can do it, since partying Lancer didn't tear his arm off.
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>>146576121
And why is she sweating so much?
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>>146575414
It is a dark blue I think.
And you can see the design is pretty different anyway, Shirou's is more simple, just practical to protect him from cold.
Other character designs are made to look astonishing and pompous contrary to Shirou's.
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>>146576197
It's something he can only use with an external power source. The fact that they give him such a power source does not mean he's anything but shit outside of those circumstances. He only manages to come out on top of the 3HGW before the Grail gets stolen because he can use Command Spells.
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>waifufags
Not even once
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>>146576262
I don't know how many times I need to say this before you actually read it, but a character having a reason to be overpowered does not stop them from being overpowered. Amakusa is not the only character who has connected to the grail. He is the only character who can throw black holes at people like baseballs.
And his profile says he can just tap into leylines to do it too.
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>>146576424
>mangafox
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>>146558332
The one place they can't time-jump to is Chaldea, I think. Also it would probably create a paradox.
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>>146576289
>That would have been gibberish thematically though.
How so?
And in Fate age usually trumps fame. Gilgamesh has a leg up on Greeks by being much older.
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>>146576424
>mangafox
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>>146576394
I dunno about you but that's pretty clearly black. When the nips make fanart they make it black too.
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>>146576516
>>146576552
It's a meme you dip
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>>146576534
So Namer must be even more powerful than him then right?
And having the hard working hero lose in the route that's all about perservering, pushing on and working to achieve an ideal would be beyond shit writing.
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>>146576407
>he's only overpowered because he can do overpowered things whenever he appears, if a writer decided to take his abilities away he would be weaker
You didn't think that one through did you
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>>146576552
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>>146576424
>shitbread.com
Oh, I get it now.
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>>146576442
It's not a power he is summoned with. It is not an ability he can use it will. It is not an ability he can use with preparation. He specifically needs to be summoned into an area with a viable power source, obtain that power source, and keep that power source. Summoned into the Moon Cell, false war, or any of the knockoff Apo wars, he would be absolute shit.
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>>146576424
>Fujoshi
Not even once
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>>146575134
Alter was confirmed to be on equal footing with Herc before the mud started gimping him
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>>146574819
I'm still around.
I wasn't posting my daily ohayou because I only do it when I show up at work in the morning. It's the first thing I do when I turn on my pc. But I'm on vacation at the moment
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>>146576818
Why was Romania's leyline so QUALITY anyway?
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>>146576886
>Not even posting the best one.
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>>146574771
He only has access to that NP when he's able to use ludicrous amounts of Mana. His arms act as a skeleton key for magecraft, but without the mana to use the most powerful spells he can't actually do anything. He's overpowered if he's got functionally infinite mana at his disposal, but the same could be said of any Servant under the same circumstances.
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>>146576886
That's a shitty burger
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>>146576818
>It's not a power he is summoned with.
>literally gets summoned with it
>All HGW but the Moon Cell are done in leyline areas, Moon Cell works on totally removed rules that don't even use mana the same way
>Amakusa can tap into leylines
>he's only strong if he does the thing he hasn't ever failed to do
Your entire argument revolves around straight up ignoring his past appearances and what his shit says about him. All you are saying is 'if you deliberately took him and placed him in an area he would otherwise never go to and take his NP away, he would be shit', when that hasn't ever happened.
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>>146576675
>And having the hard working hero lose in the route that's all about perservering, pushing on and working to achieve an ideal would be beyond shit writing.
I have literally no idea why you felt like this was worth bringing up. No shit, that's why he DIDN'T lose. The victory would be fucking meaningless if it was guaranteed. If Shirou didn't use his abilities right or stopped attacking for a single second he would lose, because Gilgamesh was wholly superior to him. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around why that fact triggered you.
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>>146577116
Why?
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>>146577020
What?
>"Exactly. The land of Trifas is positioned on the best leylines of Romania to begin with. Quitelikely, it has been stockpiling prana at a higher speed than Fuyuki, to the point that it now possesses an inexhaustible amount of prana with which it can summon even fourteen Servants."
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>>146577128
Except there are hardly any Servants but Amakusa who have gotten to or can get into that circumstance. And he has managed to pull that off more then once. Therefore, Amakusa is overpowered.
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>>146577128
Congratulations, you've figured out why people who keep pointing to Saber Alter as the strongest servant are laughed out of threads.
But that doesn't mean the character isn't overpowered. Even if it isn't an inherent ability, it's one that Amakusa has never appeared without.
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Maybe she can't breathe out of her mouth because it's filled with my penis.
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>>146577035
It's kinda weird Mordred calling seiba her "father". It would be much better if it's Arthur or Kairi instead.
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>>146577217
Because he is summoned into a system that has that built into it. You're confusing plot contrivance with "always broken".
I don't think it's talking about him tapping into leylines as in the actual thing. Otherwise, he wouldn't be near useless.
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>>146577128
He won the third war even without infinite magic or anything. He also gamed the Apocryphal war to go his way even without super magic for most of it.
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>>146577580
Plot contrivance stops working when it happens in two separate works independent of each other through different means.
He can do it, and it's overpowered, so he is overpowered. Being able to hypothetically (because it hasn't happened) not do it does not somehow magically stop all the times he did do it.
Amakusa, the protagonist fighting end game villain who can do all swords of crazy martial and magic bullshit, is overpowered.
>b-but he might not be able to if you gimp him
Totally irrelevant and you don't even have a fucking example of it happening to bring up.
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>>146575319
Nasu literally never says he's the first recorded king. The Epic of Gilgamesh is, however, literally the oldest known legend.
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>>146577340
Aside from any Servant who attains the physical Grail the way he did, and any Servant who was connected to Dark Sakura. He hasn't "pulled it off" more than once, he managed it after 60 years of prep in one work, and he was summoned by chance into a place that had enough mana for him to use it in the other. Someone is overpowered because of inherent abilities, not circumstantial abilities. Saber doesn't have Avalon at all times, so anyone who argues that it makes her overpowered is wrong, because she gets it once ever because of chance. Amakusa does not have the inherent ability to fire black holes whenever he wants, it is solely because he is provided with enough mana.
Look at someone like Karna or if you want to see actual overpowered Servants, because everything about Karna is inherent. Sure, he's a mana drain, but he can do everything he can do at any point if he has a half-decent Master. That is overpowered, it's even pointed out that in the 3rd war Amakusa was only as good as he was because of the Command Spells he had.
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>>146577843
He didn't have infinite mana, but you're forgetting that he did have two Command Spells for every other Servant. He could have won the war literally just by telling them all to kill themselves. And the Apocrypha war was something he'd planned for for 60 years.
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>>146577020
They aren't, but compared to not even the highest grade leylines in Japan, the indisputably best leylines in Romania are superior.
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>>146578020
>everything about Karna is inherent
Vasavi Shakti was borrowed though
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>>146577843
>had two command spells for every Servant
>had instant knowledge of every enemy Servant's identity, history, and weaknesses
Fucking Angra Mainyu could have won the 3rd HGW if he had that.
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>>146577940
One time where he had to slave away to properly capture it and one time where he's given it right off the bat because he's a 5*. Neither of which would happen in any other circumstance.
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>>146578238
That's fair enough, but it does say that Karna was able to use it better than even Indra himself, who actually owned it. I'd still count it as inherent if only because he can use it without having to be hooked up to the Grail or something.
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>two battles in the row
this is fang heaven
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>>146578020
>Saber
>summoned more then once
>does not have Avalon every time
>Amakusa
>summoned more then once
>has black holes every time
You don't have any examples of Amakusa not being overpowered. There aren't any examples of Amakusa not being overpowered. Even without his magic he is top tier physical combat in an overpowered class who goes toe to toe with very powerful people and has command seals out the asshole.
This is such an incredibly basic concept that I'm fucking amazed it hasn't sunk in yet, but someone having a reason for being overpowered does not stop them from being overpowered. Amakusa, in every appearance he has ever had, has been overpowered. Literally any example of Amakusa you can actually bring up, he is overpowered.
You are arguing he is not based on your own personal headcanon of a nerfed Amakusa, that does not exist anywhere. You can't go 'oh, it's just situational tee hee' if every single one of his appearances has been in that situation. There is no frame of reference for an Amakusa who is not in that situation, so he is overpowered.
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>>146575319
Oldest hero we humanity know about, not king.
Which is true because his story is the oldest known since long ago.
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>>146578490
void dust heaven when?
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>>146578397
I'm 100% positive that if you were arguing about this before GO you would still have said it wouldn't happen in any other circumstance.
Amakusa can do it. He can always do it. He has never not been able to do it in any appearance.
If your argument that he is not overpowered is based on you creating a hypothetical, never shown Amakusa, then guess what, you don't have an argument.
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>>146578506
>3HGW, no black holes
>70 years later, no black holes
>last fifth of the story of Apo, black holes
You're playing it up like he was nuking everybody in Apo. He had to literally go inside the Grail and do something funky with First Folio to get that properly going.
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>>146578545
Considering some people who get to be heroic spirits there's no reason that the kings that came before gilgamesh shouldn't be there. And if they're older they should be better according to Nasu's backwards logic.
Especially considering the elements of gilgamesh Nasu chooses to bring up are "HEY LOOK I'M A KING, I RAN ONE OF THE SHITTIEST KINGDOMS AROUND AT THE TIME"
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>>146578619
>>146578729
>Always = 1/1000th of his existence as a Servant, like two days
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>>146578506
In the 3rd War where he was summoned first, Amakusa himself was not overpowered. Was he summoned in an overpowered class? Yes, yes he was. Instant knowledge of the identity of the Servants he saw plus two Command Spells per Servant is overpowered. But absolutely every Ruler gets those two powers, it's not an inherent thing to Amakusa himself. In Apocrypha he no longer had the Command Spells which took away quite a lot of his power, and he only returned to being overpowered when he obtained the Grail, which makes any Servant connected to it overpowered.
In Fate Grand Order, he's summoned by an organization with functionally infinite mana, and is able to take advantage of that. The Amakusa I'm talking about is the one in the Third War, who was only overpowered because of his Class. My point is that you can't just go "tee hee Amakusa is so OP right guise" when the fact of the matter is that he himself is not. It's always been an outside influence that's made him powerful, whether it's enormous amounts of Mana or a Class that was made overpowered deliberately so it could function as a neutral moderator.
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>>146578546
why would you need it, I have like 200 of it
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>Amakusa
>overpowered in GO
>can't even clear hands
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>>146578020
Not any Servant, but mostly ones that have ways of actually using that much mana.
Saber has Prana Burst and Excalibur, the former which gets overcharged thanks to Dark Sakura's mana, turning her into a tank with super armor and insane attack power, and the latter becoming spammable for the same reason.
Berserker was connected to Ilya from the start, and he didn't radically change just because he had nigh infinite mana to fuel him. He didn't change when he got contracted to Dark Sakura, either - the only difference was that he got incarnated by the grail mud, but that was pretty much irrelevant due to his body being covered in rotting wounds and being blind and deaf because Sakura never healed him from his fight with Saber Alter.
Servants like Amakusa who can use literally all magecraft available to modern magi, only limited by their own mana supply, are another case of ones that would receive insane buffs from being directly hooked up to a grail. But it's silly to claim that all Servants would receive a similar level of buff from having that much mana - Achilles, Karna, etc. were all also directly hooked up to the Greater Grail as well.
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>>146572506
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>>146578794
There are literally zero mythical or historical characters that we know of prior to Gilgamesh. You want Nasu to just fucking make shit up? Fuck off.
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>>146578917
I've been waiting for this.
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>>146578852
>The Amakusa I'm talking about is the one in the Third War
>Amakusa is not overpowered if you take a version of him seven decades before then his first appearance and from something without an actual adaption
>Amakusa is overpowered but because he's overpowered for THIS class reason it doesn't count
>Amakusa is overpowered but because he has outside help (which happens in every work he is in) it doesn't count
Just stop. You don't even have a shred of an argument any more. You are openly ignoring Amakusas actual appearances to try and make him seem weaker.
>>146578729
>last fifth of the story of Apo
>it doesn't count because he's only strong in his most important segments of the story
Amakusa from Apocrypha can throw black holes. Amakusa from GO can throw black holes.
That is all Amakusas.
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>>146579165
We literally do know rulers that predate gilgamesh's supposed reign by hundreds of years. We know of many predynastic egyptian kings.
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>>146570619
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>>146579165
>You want Nasu to just fucking make shit up?
Eighty percent of this franchise is made up shit. It's by no means historically or even lore accurate, you can't be fucking serious
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>>146578794
How would Nasu know about them if we don't know about them either?
You want him to grab a time machine and goes back in time?
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>>146579308
No, we don't.
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>>146579165
>There are literally zero mythical or historical characters that we know of prior to Gilgamesh
But that's wrong. We have the names of Pharaohs from hundreds of years before Gilgamesh.
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The most surprising thing about this discussion is that people care enough about Amakusa to even talk about him.
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>>146579249
>Amakusa from Apocrypha can throw black holes only due to a specific point in the plot that only happened through careful planning and a lot of work
>Amakusa from GO can throw black holes only due to the system under which he is summoned
>Amakusa cannot throw black holes normally
FTFY
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>>146579372
Are you saying that Edison was not a lion with a canon powered by bulbs?
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>>146579308
Gil is the only one with an epic made about him, he is the oldest hero we know about.
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>>146579458
>Amakusa cannot throw black holes normally
>Amakusa can throw black holes in every work he has appeared in
I don't think you know what normal means
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>>146579450
It's just the powerlevel shitposters. They don't care about him, they just found something to be autistic about.
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>>146579408
>>146579397
Modern literature puts Menes/Narmer at 3000 BC. Older literature put his reign as far back as 5000 BCE
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>>146579372
No shit, captain obvious. You want more of that?
>>146579421
>trusting unreliable Egyptian record-keeping
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>>146579545
Gilgamesh is the hero from the oldest recorded story.
Gilgamesh is not the oldest recorded historic figure.
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>>146579669
Nasu has no problem making shit up, he just does what he wants to do
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>>146579669
The estimates are all within a couple hundred years, but the oldest possible date for the Epic of Gilgamesh is more recent then the newest possible date for say, the Palermo Stone, so yeah it's pretty reliable to say they are older.
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>>146579545
And many other servants aren't heroes in any shape or form. So why exclude the ancient kings we know of that predate Gilly boy?
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>>146579754
And that's exactly the bullshit that's gotten us into the ditch we're stuck in right now. Fucking Garden of Avalon is an entire novella of Nasu's King Arthur fanfiction. Fucking hell, do not ask for more made up shit from him.
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>>146579919
Well the fact that none of them have deeds as well recorded as Gil springs to mind
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>>146579308
Because fate in the beginning was about heroes fighting in a war, legendary characters with superhuman traits and weapons, not random historical figures.
It's with later works that they started to add famous people or fucking shitty writers
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>>146579965
Arthurian myth is literally fanfiction: the mythology to be fair
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>>146580017
>as well recorded
Like that even fucking matters.
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>>146579549
Normal in this case would be the initial condition under which he is summoned. Meaning that he can not normally use the ability. You're conflating something completely irrelvant to his normal power level. Like, surely any game where he appears be it a new unlimited codes or Extella, he will have the ability, but that's always going to have a specific reason. Summoned into any other of the hundreds of HGWs, he's near useless.
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>people are mad a fiction writer made shit up
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>>146579919
Because Nasu doesn't give a shit about figures that we only have a name attached to and no actual legend or history surrounding them.
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>>146580067
It entirely does
You can't build a character around just a name
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>>146580017
>as well recorded
>when nasu will just throw it away if he doesn't like it
Nigger just didn't do enough research
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>>146580137
>You can't build a character around just a name
Yes you can.
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>>146580196
No you can't
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>need 32M QP to level up Gil's charisma from 8 to 10
Fuck this shit.
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>>146580093
>Amakusa can do it because of a reason
>He has, and always will, be able to fill that reason, and will always be able to do it in any work he is in
So you agree then, and Amakusa is overpowered. Got it.
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>>146580137
>Man who united egypt and is said to be the first human king of egypt
>just a name
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>>146580236
Yes you can.
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>>146580067
It 100% fucking matters. You think anyone gives any fucks about the Ptolemaic dynasty of Egypt beyond the original Ptolemy and Cleopatra, the last Pharaoh of the Ptolemaic dynasty? All we have are a list of names about the ones in-between, and at best a few footnotes about Ptolemy's son and Cleo's parents and son.
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>>146580113
There is writing fiction and there is being historically innacurate
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>>146580067
>>146580172
Nasu would make shit up still, but he's also a lazy cunt. Having a pre-existing basis is easier.
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>>146580280
And again, you're using meta reasoning to infer his in-universe power level. Just because we see him at his strongest twice does not mean all the other hundreds or thousands of time he could potentially be summoned would have him at that level.
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>>146580337
>implying people that got into fate actually knew who the fuck gilgamesh was or even care
He could pick a shitty king from god knows where that as long as the lore and the character were appealing enough nobody would care
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>>146580351
Fiction is historically inaccurate by definition, otherwise it would not be fiction.
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>>146580317
No you can't
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>>146579691
Exactly, you can't make a legend around nothing. Gil is the first one to have something as basis.
Or at least, oldest one we have found.
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>>146580337
>It 100% fucking matters.
It doesn't matter at all. Excluding Arturia, which also has 100% made up personality, all of the most popular TM characters are original characters Nasu created himself.
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>>146580351
>>146580392
As i fucking said >>146580024
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>>146580459
>if you used an Amakusa from my personal made up war that is not a real Typemoon work, Amakusa is weak
>since he's weak in that but he's strong in all the actual official works, therefore he is actually weak
Holy shit dude this is just embarrassing.
Why the fuck would anyone NOT use official works to gauge powerlevels. Even the real autists try to cling to fanbooks when the normal works don't go their way, only the worst just straight up start making up hypothetical wars of their own.
If judging Amakusa, a Typemoon character, from the Typemoon works he has appeared in, and might appear in the future, is "meta reasoning", then any other kind of reasoning is bullshit and shouldn't be used.
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>>146580629
No, the record is the oldest, there are plenty of newer tablets in Egypt that talked up their older kings (mostly menes) coupled with the historical record.
There's also the archaeological arguments that could be used as a basis.
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>>146580624
Yes you can.
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>>146578367
Yeah, and Amakusa having that made him overpowered
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>>146580809
No you can't
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>>146580783
The record of the story* sorry.
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>>146580826
Yes you can.
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>This event just became NTR focused and /u/ pandering garbage
disgusting
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>people actually arguing that nasu isn't a hack
Why?
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>>146580920
No you can't.
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>>146580823
Fucking Shinji, the most useless character in the entire Fate franchise, having that would make him overpowered too.
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>>146580751
>Let's totally ignore how he was shit in the 3HGW but managed to use his wits and Command Spells to almost get to the end without using black holes
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>>146580959
Yes you can.
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>>146580959
Maybe you can.
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>>146580924
When? Where?
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>>146581047
No you can't
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>>146581112
When Nightingale and Lancer Alter became a canonical pairing
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>>146581112
I'm guessing he's memeing about the event casting Alter and Nightingale as married characters
And somehow produced Mordred
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>>146580978
Sure, but he didn't have it. Amakusa did. That's Amakusa is OP and Shinji is seaweed. You might as well point to a character in a game with a bullshit hax level skill and say "anyone would be overpowered if they had that"
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>>146581163
Yes you can.
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>>146581278
>being triggered by a roleplay joke event
>being this much of a self-insert faggot
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>>146581015
>3HGW
You mean that thing they talk about in Apoc? The work in which you are claiming things Amakusa did do not count? For literally no reason but that you seem to hate Amakusa?
>lets talk about the powerlevels of Amakusa
>Amakusa is a character who appears in Apoc and GO
>Amakusa has this as his best ablity in Apoc and GO, and would have it again if he appeared in one of the upcoming Typemoon works
>Nuh uh you can't use that because um I don't like it and if I wrote an HGW he like totally wouldn't be able to do it even though the official writers have him do it
If you want to write a fanfic where he can't do shit and loses hard go do it but it's not going to be useable when talking about the character who appears in Typemoon.
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>>146581401
No you can't.
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>>146581278
Cutest pairing.
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>>146581015
>managed to use his wits and Command Spells
>his wits and magical seals that literally make your enemies do anything you command
Jesus Christ are you reading this before you post?
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>>146581278
That's far more appealing than Nightingale and Beowulf
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>>146581278
>>146581317
>Caring about waifus
>Who are not even pure historically
Fucking faggots, get out and seek anhusbando
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>>146581445
Yes you can.
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>>146581498
Fuck off Sieg, you are worthless trash
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>>146581514
No you can't
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>>146581437
He's a shit Servant 98% of the time. Just because he's good for 2% does not make him broken.
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>tfw ticket day
Do I roll?
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What is he thinking?
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>>146581603
Just do it
>>146581631
Deranged thoughts
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>>146581382
It's not the same, skills are things you have to develop over years of practice and experience (Eye of the Mind, Magecraft) or you're born with them (Prana Burst, Natural Body). Servant class skills are things that are sometimes just straight up given to the Servant even if they didn't have that skill in real life, like the Ruler class skills. The Ruler class abilities aren't natural skills, they're just things slapped onto people. They're not like Noble Phantasms, which are the embodiment of their legend made manifest.
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>>146581603
hoard for swimsuits dumbfuck
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>>146581580
>just because his abilities are broken in 100% of the works he has appeared in does not make him broken
>in this hypothetical situation that does not happen in 100% of the works he is in he is weak so we should use that rather then the works he is in
At this point you are pushing headcanon.
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>>146581631
"Why aren't my eyes red?"
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>>146581496
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>>146581557
Yes you can't
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>>146581631
Thinking about how he didn't get to max out moonlight fest
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>>146581759
No you can
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>>146581631
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>>146581698
That's totally irrelevant. Amakusa has those skills, and those skills are overpowered, so Amakusa is overpowered.
>lets ignore these things the character can do because other characters can do them too
That isn't how it works.
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>>146581704
Yes, he'll magically find a super massive, easily accessible power source every time he's summoned.
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>>146580196
>>146580236
>>146580317
>>146580624
>>146580809
>>146580826
>>146580920
>>146580959
>>146581047
>>146581163
>>146581401
>>146581445
>>146581514
>>146581557
>>146581759
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otYAIaX9saI
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>>146581704
Melvin why do you always resort to 'muh headcanon'? Amakusa not being all that particularly strong for a Servant is straight up said in Apocrypha.
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>>146580260
Knowing everything I know about her this is somehow a little less nice than I would have expected.
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>>146581850
>Those two pierced through the anus
Savage
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>>146581631
Why does Artemis have a giant blade strapped to her butt at all times
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>>146580783
How new?
Because there is no way Nasu knew about them if they were found on 2004 or after.
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>>146581926
>no /v/-style misquotes
That's not melvin.
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>>146581631
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>>146581897
He does and always will. If Amakusa gets put in Extella, his super will be black holes.
>>146581926
Stop trying to falseflag, no one has even mentioned Lancelot. I'm bringing up headcanon because this guy's argument is 'he is weak in this hypothetical situation I have created in my head that never happens, and we should use that over Apoc and GO'.
>Amakusa not being all that particularly strong for a Servant is straight up said in Apocrypha
They can say whatever the fuck they want because Apoc is also the work throws around insane magic bullshit, slaps Jeannes shit and duels MC power Sieg as the final boss.
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>>146582073
Yeah, Melvin's reply would be
>Your post but the names reversed
JUST
U
S
T
Because he's incapable of any sense of originality and only repeats the memes and argumetns that get thrown his way.
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>>146582103
Stay back, Sumanai Alter. This thread is pure and clean.
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>>146581817
You're like a Shiroufag trying to argue that Shirou could beat most Servants because of all these million-to-one situations he happened to wind up in, having an ideal counter to Gate of Babylon in UBW, and having Archer's arm sewn on in HF.
Just because unusual events happen in a story does not make them something that would happen 99.9999% of the time.
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>>146581498
>implying the male servants don't get corrupted as well
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>>146581926
Jesus Christ anon, you know damn well that isn't Melvin. On paper Amakusa is weak, no one is fucking debating that. But in PRACTICE, in all the appearances he has had, he has access to the absurdly broken abilities of the Ruler class as well as the plain horseshit ability to shoot black holes out of his hands.
There is no finagling around this, the abilities Amakusa possesses in all of his appearances are overpowered. That you can't accept this is mind boggling.
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Its funny, we almost didn't have an Amakusa Shirou that looked like Shirou at all. The fact that they chose him had nothing to do with the previous protagonist at first.
http://pastebin.com/C48cYKWz
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>>146580351
>historically innacurate
You want to be even more historically inaccurate incorporating a name and make everything he did instead of using the oldest epic.
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>>146582061
I mean stories come from later. We have historical record of them from waaay before the later stories we've found.
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>>146581701
My favorite servants won't probably get anything though. And I really would like Shuwen.
>>146581671
Thinking more about it, maybe the day isn't the appropriate one. In any case, if I don't roll today it will be tomorrow and I'll get nothing either way. There is no winning.
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>>146581968
Impaling done properly.
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>>146582218
>Just because unusual events happen in a story does not make them something that would happen 99.9999% of the time.
>Just because this situation happens 100% of the time he is summoned doesn't mean it will happen
It does, incidentally.
If someone was saying that UBW Shirou was strong, then they would be using UBW Shirou with his RM. If someone was saying that HF Shirou was strong, they would be using Archer arm Shirou. If someone was saying that Fate Shirou was strong, they would be using Avalon Shirou.
Those are all abilities those characters have. Amakusa can throw black holes. He does it more then once, in more then one work, and if summoned into a new work would do it again.
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Speaking of Apocrypha,at least most of the Servant abilities were pretty nice.Especially Jackie.
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>>146581498
I already do though
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>>146582172
No, he's always weak. He's only strong due to outside circumstances. Just like how KoH is functionally useless without some decent weapons lying around for him to use
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>>146582214
Give me your armor, your horns and your dragon wings, or else
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>>146582386
I'm not saying I want it I'm saying it makes no difference. He doesn't care about the history at all. He can and will take every liberty he wants, having a established tale won't phase him in any way.
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>>146582459
>No one mentions Lancelot until you call the other guy Melvin
>Start bringing up Lancelot in every post
Do you have no shame you fucking dumbass?
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>>146582459
>He's only strong due to outside circumstances.
Outside circumstances that always happen, and will always happen.
Not to mention your apparent definition of weak is "Ruler class, future sight, command seals, enough martial skill to fight of Darnicula, survivor of a previous war"
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>>146582551
How would Sumanai alter behave? Would he be a slut?
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>>146581991
She doesn't. It grows out of the back of her head.
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>>146582726
Yes, and he calls Siegfried mean names
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>>146582439
A shame they throw most of the characters into the toilet.
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>>146582393
Yeah, but even then the Epic of Gilgamesh is still regarded as the oldest epic, the first to narrate the story about a hero and his adventures.
I don't see the problem with regarding Gil as the oldest hero when he has the oldest story that narrates the adventures of a hero. It makes sense, sure, it can be change if you want but there is no problem as it is.
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>>146582236
>On paper Amakusa is weak, no one is fucking debating that.
On paper I can plainly see he has the abilities to command other servants and see their stats and abilities. So I don't know what paper you're looking at. Its like saying Sasaki is weak on paper, but I can see he has some strange techniques that might make hm a bother to deal with. Its not just stats that I'm reading.
No I'm not the same guy, or anyone in this conversation yet. But if I was reading someone's sheet and it said "Can command other servants" then that doesn't sound weak on paper.
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>>146582915
The point is that Amakusa outside of the special OP class that makes anyone in it OP because they know everything about a Servant just from seeing them and have the ability to command them with absolute obedience twice in a Grail War would not be OP.
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>>146582909
Except that the only way it can work is if you take that one, incredibly specific definition and if you consider age to be good then there is no logic to not having the older figures we know of.
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>>146582236
> in all the appearances he has had, he has access to the absurdly broken abilities of the Ruler class as well as the plain horseshit ability to shoot black holes out of his hands.
Actually for most of Apoc, the most impressive thing he has is the equivalent of a C-ranked Noble Phantasm katana that Shakespeare buffed for him.
He's able to put up a fight against Frankenstein, but then Frankenstein herself is garbage tier.
He does kill Darricula, but he does so with Black Keys and exorcisms, which Executors could do.
He doesn't actually have any Ruler class buffs outside the 3rd HGW, so he's average at best.
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>>146582868
That's kinda rude
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>>146583046
>if you remove all of Amakusa abilities, he is not strong
Fucking incredible
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>>146583046
>if amakusa wasn't summoned in the class he is summoned in he'd be weak
Really?
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>>146582638
The oldest established tale is what he used in this case, the other things found are lists of names and some events, nothing more.
I'm not saying Nasu cares about being historically accurate or anything, he just use it as basis most of the time, but in this specific case I don't think he was inaccurate. Gil is actually the oldest hero by definition, more about Gil can be inaccurate but his tittle is fine.
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>>146583093
Literally everyone would have those abilities if they were a Ruler though
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>>146583193
So? Literally everyone is not a Ruler.
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>>146583173
There are records of these guys, then there are stories written later, by every metric these guys are older.
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>>146583059
Taking the world hero as it is should be no problem really, Gil is the first hero, the others are not regarded as heroes so why should they take the place of oldest hero?
Having a guy who only his name is known as the oldest would be a bit boring.
Speaking of which, who would you use as the oldest hero?
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Berserker St. Peter when?
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>>146583193
>Literally everyone would have Tsubeme Gaeshi if they were Sasaki
>Literally everyone would have EAM is they were Lancelot
>Literally everyone would have Potnia Therom if they were BB
This is not an argument, other people aren't Ruler. You can't discount the entire thing by saying class abilities can't be countered. We already know that only a few people can be Ruler as its one of those rare classes. So saying everyone could be this so it doesn't count isn't right.
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>>146583326
But they aren't heroes.
That doesn't mean they can't be Legendary Souls, but they do not qualify for the title of 'hero'.
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>>146583406
The oldest I know would be menes, who is majorly culturally important and is regarded as having come from the heavens to rule egypt and he united it.
His factual identity is a bit up in the air between 3 different names, or maybe he's just a catch all story for all 3.
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>>146583326
I don't think there is any tale that has them as heroes before the Epic of Gilgamesh, if there is, I would like to see it please.
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>>146583428
St.Peter would be Ruler, or Saber
He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword
also "He who is the rock of the church". As he was named Peter after Petra, which means rock. As the first pope, the church is founded upon him entirely.
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>>146582236
>On paper Amakusa is weak
>decent stats
>adept in literally all types of magecraft + exorcism
>Eye of the Mind (True)
>Eye of the Mind (False)
>Revelation
>instant identification of any servant he sees
>ability to sense any servants within a radius of several kilometers from himself
>two command spells for each and every servant summoned in the same war as himself
It's hard to find something he's actually bad at. Even at the stuff he doesn't excel at he's still decent.
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>>146581425
>implying this is a joke event
>this is what level of desperation you have to resort to
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>>146583523
No there isn't, but there are tales and the historical record places them before any date he could possibly have existed during. Thus they are older.
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>>146583430
>only a few people can't be a certain people
That doesn't even make sense. Just because the ruler spot isn't one that one can easily seat on it doesn't make the faggot on it OP
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List of NTR shit Nasu has forced into the game
>Scathach and Shuwen
>Lancer Alter and Nightingale
>Kiyohime and Anchin
>Nero/Tamamo and Hakuno
>Nero Bride and Hakuno
>Attila and Hakuno
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>>146583543
>decent stats
>flat average physical stats, not even Iskander tier, only strong stat is mana
>adept in literally all types of magecraft + exorcism
>magecraft mattering even if you're Caster-tier, which he isn't, in a HGW
>Eye of the Mind (True)
>Eye of the Mind (False)
>things he doesn't actually have
>two command spells for each and every servant summoned in the same war as himself
>thing he doesn't actually have in Apocrypha or G/O
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>>146583740
>Ruler is an OP class
>Therefore, people in it are OP
>Additionally, those people all have their own unique abilities like missile blocking flags, spontaneous combustion, ghostbusting and shitting black holes
It makes perfect sense.
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>>146583503
Just a quick search about his name is the most I have done, but apparently, records of him as a hero come from 500 BC mostly.
He was written up later than Gil, sure, you can use him if you want, but you can still use Gil without problem since his records as a hero come from earlier in history.
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>>146583830
>>Scathach and Shuwen
Not romantic in nature
>>Lancer Alter and Nightingale
Joke
>>Kiyohime and Anchin
Joke
>>Nero/Tamamo and Hakuno
Its the same as Arthuria not leaving Shirou for you, yet you don't complain about that one.
>>Nero Bride and Hakuno
Nero Bride doesn't remember Hakuno, her myroom makes it painfully clear
>>Attila and Hakuno
Bitching about what you think is going to happen in a game that isn't out isn't a valid argument.
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>>146583617
Except they aren't older heroes than him, every story based on those names is considerably older than the Epic of Gilgamesh and is probably 100% made up by the Egyptians of the time.
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>>146583830
>nasu wrote the Kiyohime folktale
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>>146583985
>Joke
t.headcanon
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>>146584014
>older
I mean newer.
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>>146583617
It is like Arjuna and Karna then, they are older than Gil if we take in consideration the time their myths take place, but since they were written later, Gil takes the place.
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>>146583985
Arturia doesn't pretend to love you, Nero and Tamamo do even though Nasu confirmed they don't actually care about you in his blog.
>Nero Bride doesn't remember
America confirmed she does
>Kiyohime and Anchin is a joke
>Nasu's official blog is a joke now I guess
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>>146583985
>taking the bait
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>muh fictional cucking
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>Ruler is an OP class
>Amakusa stalemated against a 3* shota
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>>146583890
>>Eye of the Mind (True)
>>Eye of the Mind (False)
>>things he doesn't actually have
You should at least know what his arms do before you start talking shit.
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>>146584151
>It is like Arjuna and Karna then, they are older than Gil if we take in consideration the time their myths take place
Really? Because the works that the Mahabharata are based on were first made like 2000 years after the Epic of Gilgamesh.
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>>146583830
Anon-kun your such a faggot holy shit.
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>>146584206
America confirmed a Nero wearing the bride outfit did, but she doesn't acknowledge ever being summoned by Gudako, while the one summoned by Gudako never acknowledges being summoned by someone else and her profile explicitly mentions she didn't participate in the other grail war.
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>>146584206
Considering that the context is literally "Nasu is telling a joke on his blog and the punchline is that he's a faggot", yes
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>>146584289
Yeah, I'm sure he has those arms active all the time in Apocrypha. Oh wait, no, he only uses them at the final battle. You don't get to pretend he has those skills all the time.
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>>146584316
There was an unofficial TM timeline that showed were the myth takes place, it takes place before Gil.
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fate power levels don't mean shit it's basically rock, paper, and scissors, and plot.
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>>146584014
That's why it only works if you couple it with the historic record.
>>146583982
I'll accept that, but I won't like it.
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>>146584486
>unofficial TM timeline
Doesn't sound particularly trustworthy.
I haven't read the Mahbharata but it the stories in it would need to be set over 2000 years before it was written in order for them to beat Gil, which seems excessive.
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I can't be assed to waste apples in trying to max this shitty CE.
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>>146584486
There was a note at the bottom of the time-line (*This is not accurate in universe)
In universe Curry story happened after Gilgamesh
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>>146584428
>Nero wearing the bride outfit
>In other words, Nero Bride
>Implying the Nero Bride you summoned isn't just pretending like actual Nero to just not remember
thanks for playing idiot
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>>146583890
>>thing he doesn't actually have in Apocrypha
He presumably did have CS in the 3rd war when he was summoned, but that wouldn't do him a lot of good in the next war.
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>>146584440
>lets talk about Amakusas powerlevel and abilities in Apoc
>you can't use this specific part of Apoc because I don't like it
kek
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>>146584329
>tfw lily cucks me with merlin's fat magic dick
He can't keep getting away with this
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>>146584438
Just because there's a punchline it doesn't diminish the fact that it would happen if Anchin were to ever be summoned.
All it means is that 99% truth ends with 1% humor of "But he's gay"
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>>146584661
Doesn't matter, we're talking strictly how Amakusa performed in works he's appeared in. Until the 3rd HGW gets covered in a written work, we have to assume that Amakusa is literally as powerful as he is in Apocrypha and G/O.
So we have a pretty average level Servant on our hands.
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>>146583985
>Its the same as Arthuria not leaving Merlin/EMIYA for you
This Arturia doesn't give a shit about vanilla Shirou.
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>>146584759
Have you read the post? He's 100% a joke. If Anchin showed up he probably would be a faggot, but he would not steal all your woman and then fuck Kojirous asshole, because that was the joke.
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>>146584651
They're different versions of the same servant. This is evident because one remembers an event the other did not participate in, as explicitly stated in her profile.
Sorry that your desperation to fulfill a cuck fantasy didn't work out, Anon.
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powerlevelfags are disgusting, lets talk about waifus and husbandus
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>>146584703
Ha ha no, you don't get to redefine the argument to suit your ego. You claimed he had those skills as if he had them active at all times, which he doesn't, so I called you on your bullshit.
If we're going to analyze Shirou within the context of Apocrypha and G/O, then we need to do it right and look at all of it, not just the final battle.
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>>146584951
>Would not steal all your women
That part appears earlier than the gay punchline, therefore it is still relevant.
If anything the gay part is the joke and the "Anchin would steal all your women + Kiyohime" part is the not-joke section.
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>>146584750
Does Nero Bride cuck Lizfags too?
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>>146584750
They are cute. Their children would be 10/10. Imagine all the waifus and husbandos they will produce.
Like a silver haired Saberface who currently wields Ron.
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>>146584785
>So we have a pretty average level Servant on our hands.
He's literally the final boss who takes on Jeanne, Vlad and super buffed Sieg who himself takes on Karna.
In GO he's ass in game mechanics but in the lore of his event he keeps up with GoB with black keys and can throw black holes without sticking his dick in a grail.
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>>146584985
I love my husband Siegfried so much that I could kill him
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>>146584968
>Different versions of the same servant
>That just so happens to wear the same outfit that was already established as Nero Bride for no reason
Stop trying to jump through hoops when it's obvious that Nasu just changed his mind and decided to make Nero Bride also for Hakuno after America came out
There's no reason why they would use Nero Bride's sprite instead of Red Nero's when your argument is "B-but she's just red nero in a dress!"
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>>146585094
Not if he kills himself first.
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>>146584932
Because outside of Fate route, Saber motherzoned him.
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>>146584985
I'm going to marry Marie after I max her bond
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>>146585060
>setting up a punchline has nothing to do with the punchline
Are you legitimately autistic
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>>146584440
>he has EotM
>no he doesn't
>yes he does
>he doesn't have EotM all the time
Nice retreat. And in the series it's never stated or implied that he doesn't have EotM at all times.
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>>146585198
>That just so happens to wear the same outfit
Do you know where the Bride outfit comes from?
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>>146558330
Get shanked by Jack, cunt
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>>146585094
Bryn pls.
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>>146584985
Yeah okay, Jack would always be the better Assassin and waifu in Fate.
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>>146585057
>You claimed he had those skills as if he had them active at all times
Where was that said? It's just a list of things he can do.
If you are listing Amakusas abilities, those are included in his abilities.
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>>146585205
No, I must be the one to do it!
>>146585332
Totally not bryn here senpai
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>>146585238
>it's all a joke because I said so
>>146585275
Once they established that Bride in this game was only for the player it wouldn't make sense from a logical perspective to make her remember Extra. Red Nero would be Extra Nero and Bride would be F/GO Nero, instead they made Bride Extra Nero again.
Especially since Nero Bride's sprite in America isn't the variation of the Bride outfit that she wore in CCC, but the one that appears in only F/GO
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>>146585468
>you will never kill Siegfried
JUST
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>>146585057
>you don't get to redefine the argument to suit your ego.
Is that something only you get to do?
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>>146585093
>He's literally the final boss who takes on Jeanne
He ran away from her pre-grail linking, because he knew he couldn't beat her. Even then, he couldn't even outrun her in the midst of the battle, he just happened to get lucky and escape because she got stalled and distracted by Berserker of Red.
>Vlad
Not an impressive feat in the least, Vlad goes down to Black Keys and a baptism rite.
>Sieg
Sieg was half-dead and running on fumes after the Karna battle.
>keeps up with GoB with black keys
Gil wasn't even remotely trying.
>can throw black holes without sticking his dick in a grail.
Quote from materials:
>By linking to the foundation of all forms of magecraft, these Noble Phantasms make it possible to use, to a certain degree, even magecraft that the user shouldn’t know of except as general knowledge. They are handy and convenient Noble Phantasms, but even if Shirou was summoned as a Caster, he still wouldn’t stand a chance against a first-rate magus like Medea.
Black holes aren't even Medea tier magecraft.
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>>146585094
but he is not the cutest dragonslayer.
>>146585216
>mfw ever since I got Drake I never used marie again
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>>146585581
Look at his body, so killable
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>>146585468
>>146584206
>>146584438
>>146584759
>>146584951
>>146585060
>>146585238
>>146585501
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Now that Europe has pretty much self destructed, more american heroes when?
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>>146585581
Really not a fan of Ishida Akira's artwork.
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>>146585651
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>>146585643
>>146585806
I like his wide designs.
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>>146585501
That's a logical inconsistency that you could criticize them for making but it's not a platform to declare that they've retconned her profile without changing it or even commenting on it.
Her sprite was probably dictated by her level, and it's also probable that they just wanted to use the newer one with better sprites and animations.
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>>146585781
>no blonde drillhair ojou George in america
Blunder of the century
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>>146585271
>Nice retreat
He categorically does not possess either skill, fucktard. His NPs grant them to him when active.
Or do you also want to say that Astolfo has EX rank magic resistance without his magic book active?
>only gets them from his Noble Phantasms
>His Noble Phantasms are activation-type
Gee I wonder if he has them at all times anon
>>146585356
Yeah, except they're listed amongst Amakusa's actual skills and there's no mention that they come from his NPs. It's clearly a case of manipulating information to make him seem stronger than he actually is. And the funniest part is that he can't even refute any of my other points, he's just caught on that singular one as if that'll prove me wrong completely.
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>>146585581
I can draw better than this
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>>146586008
Second cutest dragon slayer!
>>146585895
I hope she is pointing her big throbbing spear at me
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>This other anon hijacked my complaint to start NTRposting about Nero and shit
All I want to know is why they're trying to force some /u/ shit to ruin this event
/u/fags should already be satisfied that they ruined Jeanne Alter by turning her into some lesboshit from Brynhildr
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Where can I find the first ch of Fate/Apocrypha?
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>>146586395
>he doesn't like seeing girls kissing girls
Holy shit I think your the faggot here anon.
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>>146586395
>Jeanne spending an entire scene rejecting Brynn's advances
>What /u/ wanted
>Even remotely /u/'s fault when they have literally zero influence on the choices of the developers same as the rest of us
Please shake your head vigorously before you post, that way your brain cells have the chance to rub together and create thought.
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>>146586525
inside your mother's asshole
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>>146586712
Witnessed.
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>>146586595
Not him but, lesbos should all die.
I want all the girls to myself, dammit.
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>>146586612
/u/ feeds off lesboshit pandering, it doesn't need to be full lesbo it just needs to provide fuel for potential art of it which the Jeanne Alter event did plenty of
Besides Nightingale X Lancer Alter is way more canon than Jeanne/Bryn to begin with
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>>146585781
>using the same bait
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>>146586796
They don't want you
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>>146586525
https://fateapocryphathetranslation.wordpress.com/
Vols 1 and 2, and the prelude are available here
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>>146586796
Even squid girls?
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>>146586931
>They want your Avatar, not the real you
>>146587063
I prefer my squid girls to be grown women.
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>>146586796
They could be straight as a yard meter and you'd still probably drive them away with your disgusting hygiene and personality.
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But could Amakusa Shirou beat EMIYA?
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>>146587167
Is this more up your alley?
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>>146587289
Probably.
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>>146587295
Wew is it getting hot in here?
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>>146587295
I am unsure of what's happening.
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>>146587295
>y-you too
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>>146587295
sauce
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>>146587295
Yes.
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>>146587167
>he doesn't like kid squids
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>>146587618
if a pleb like me can find sauce, so should you
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>>146587586
He confesses that he's sexually attracted to her, she can't restrain herself anymore and grabs him with tentacles in order to drag him to a bathroom stall for ravishing.
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>wants to kill himself
Mysterious Shota X when?
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>>146587289
>command spell: kill himself
>GG kiddo nothing personnel
or if Archer's on his team, but is planning on doing the same thing to Shirou as he did to Caster in UBW
>Revelation A rank
>command spell: kill himself
>GG kiddo nothing personnel
or if he has no command spells
>Revelation A rank
>activate both NPs for both Eye of the Minds
>abuse superior stats across the board and massively superior personal skills
>use way better magecraft to make up for any gap in sword skills between them
>GG kiddo nothing personnel
or if Archer tries to snipe him
>Revelation A rank
>black hole the caladbolg II/hrunting
>black hole where Archer is
>GG kiddo nothing personnel
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>>146587586
MC's squidgirl osananajimmy went into heat and hid in a school bathroom. Yada yada confession punctuated by high-impact interspecies intercourse.
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>>146587801
Why didn't he win the war by himself if he can do this?
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>>146587773
>>146587841
And the upper left?
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>>146587779
>wanting to kill your yourself
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>>146587889
That's just her giving him a hug.
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>>146587889
Like I said, her tentacles dragging him to the bathroom.
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>>146587884
He did. The 3rd HGW. But then the Nazis came, burned everything to the ground, and stole the Greater Grail before he could make his wish.
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Baking.
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>>146587884
He was winning the 3rd war until Darnic & the Sour Krauts botched everything. He was set to win the Great War by a landslide before Jeanne got involved.
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>>146587991
What did the Nazis wish for?
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>>146588302
Nothing. Darnic stole the Grail for himself.
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>>146588302
They didn't get a chance to, Darnic betrayed the convoy delivering the Greater Grail to the Fatherland and stole it and hid the whole thing in Romania
And by then the Grail War had already technically ended so no wish could be made anymore
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>>146582661
>fake jet Melvin
>not true JETS
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