/rlg/ - Roguelike General (unvanilla nonbagel edition)

reminder that if it's on steam it is Not A Roguelike

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>>146554475

4th for pharaoh approved thread

unnethack is fun

>>146554650
How is it?

I don't think rlg has posted about much other than dyanahack and sometimes slashem EX

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I GRAB THE ORB AND SEIZE IT

I CLENCH MY ANKH AND BEAT IT

I GRAB AN OOF AND PUNCH IT

I AM THE GOD I WORSHIP

Only true /rlg/ threads have the pharaoh's stamp of approval, beware of imitations.

Is there any downside to eating blobs in a lab

blob cars yes/no

>>146554915
blob cars are some weird shit added by the vehicle additions pack mod

>>146554915
>Is there any downside to eating blobs in a lab
considering they give food poisoning every time you eat them like you'd get from zombie meat, yes. Very much so, yes.

Question: why are we using a new thread when we have 739 posts in the old one

>>146555107
actually it's 741

and the other one has 2 posts

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Why the hell does the tainted tornado recipe exist?
To torture oneself?

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Time to get good at Cataclysm DDA

>>146555561
To add more bloat of course.

>>146555107
I just assumed we switched to this thread out of spite towards >>146554117 .

>>146555637
More or less.

>>146555537
Well, I mean, the Rivtech stuff in general is kinda broken, what with being able to craft literally infinite light/coffee sources at what, 4 electronics?
They still (rarely) spawn randomly, which I think is more acceptable.

Anyone got any experience making mods in cata? Due to the lack of much variety of gun attachments, I kinda want to try making my own. I got no idea what's involved in making a mod though.

How much fame do I need to be able to reforge artifacts in PCB? Is it based on their powerlevel?

>>146557332
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=read+the+pastebin+you+fucking+nigger
You should shoot for the "You are a living legend" rank.

new dck strim never ever
consider this your threadly reminder

>>146555561
basically it's a really really old recipe that lets you craft pseudo-mutagen with low-ish cooking skill.

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Maybe it's time to turn off small levels.
Bets on whether I live?

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>>146557645
I wouldn't come back if I were him too. Half of the people shitpost about him the other half kiss his feet. It's an unpleasant existence.

I am thankful for MuMo and the influx of good fun and pics that it created for the general.

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>>146558375
You're level 31 and those are like what, level 10-15 monsters?

>>146558540
I was more concerned about Moire.
I actually had to burn both my healings because her spells hit like a truck while confusing/stunning.
At least she dropped good ego weapons.

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>>146559063
No crown?

>>146558375
>Bets on whether I live?
you had 5 scrolls of teleport level and were at full health.
What the fuck are you smoking.

>>146559131
No crown.
>>146559435
No confusion resist yet, so any caster with extra speed and confusion fucks me up something fierce.

>you cast page 10 resistance.
>What an act of faith!

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Is Spacechem a roguelike?

>>146561874
As much as cookie clicker.

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>back to thulg
simply ebin

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Oh, wow...

>>146557329
It's easy. All the item definitions are in text files. The hard part is probably making a pull request on Github to have your shit included in the game.

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>get this as a thulg
Just fuck my shit up big time senpai.

>>146563335
I found a post on the forum where someone else was asking basically the same thing as me, and someone replied and told him to try looking at the files for the other mods that are already there. So that's what I've been messing with. There's still a lot of information I need though, and I'm not sure where to find it, but I think I can figure most of it out by reverse engineering some of these other mods.

Honestly I'm not really worried about getting it actually in the game except for myself for right now, so that's not a big deal. Maybe eventually, if I can put together enough things to make it worth going through the effort of trying to get it added.

>already died 10 times without reaching the lair
I'm tabbing too much today.

>>146564496
Play some MuWz so you can get your wits again.

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Holy fuck it really is dependent on depth.

>>146564496
raise your autofight_stop treshold to 50%, you filthy minotaur.

>>146563993
>two resists
> 4d5
>+10
it's pretty shitty. If that was angband, it'd be the best weapon in the game.
In PCB, it's not even that good a stat stick.

>>146565308
I mean sure but that thing would be great at the level I'm on.

>>146565228

>not 70%

>>146565228
How would I go about doing that?

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>>146557329
read the jsons.
Learn from the jsons.
You don't need coding knowledge, just copypaste junk.
When in need, look at the github for specific object names (99% the name of the object will be different, like survivor gear called l_surv_belt or other stuff) or use wizmode to wish for an item to grab the "true" name of the item.

That is, if you're trying to create a mod that adds more bloat I kindly ask you to forget what I just said and jump off the nearest bridge.

>>146565546
That's only for MuMo.

>>146565598
edit rc, ctrl-f "autofight_stop" and change the current value to 50/60.
autofight_stop = 60

So how does one play an OgGl? I don't really care even if I had a +500 Secret Club weapon if getting to 10 AC is almost always close to impossible even after getting 2 runes.

>>146565979
>needing AC
>or EV
you have ruk and a fuckhuge amount of HP. Train throwing and fighting.

>>146565979
I'd probably pickup a shield and a TLA, but that might get in the way of your GSC shenanigans. It'd definitely help you live though.

>>146565308
it's a 4d5 slay evil weapon with upside. Anduril's pretty solid until you find one of the superhuger dice weapons

>>146565209
yup....based Q

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This game REALLY wants me not to worry about electricity.

>>146565724
Thanks.

>>146566513
Damn son. That is the only good SDA I've ever seen. Literally EVER.

Kobold demonologists can summon a lot of enemies.

I should be more careful next time, especially if there are three of them.

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Is this degenerate /rlg/?

>>146566513

Shit, is OgBe really the only viable way?

>>146565612
>read the jsons.
>Learn from the jsons.
>You don't need coding knowledge, just copypaste junk.
Yeah that's pretty much what I'm doing right now. It seems simple enough, hopefully I won't run into any serious snags.

>use wizmode to wish for an item to grab the "true" name of the item.
How do I do that? That could come in handy for also testing to make sure whatever I'm making actually works.

>That is, if you're trying to create a mod that adds more bloat I kindly ask you to forget what I just said and jump off the nearest bridge.
Hah. Well, I'm not just trying to add inane shit that fills a role that's already covered, like extra guns with no real stat changes over comparable pre-existing options. No, what I'm interested in doing currently, is adding more gun attachments so that you've got more than just one or maybe two decent and/or easily accessible options per slot depending on what weapon you have. Rail slot is particularly bad since there's at best one actually useable option per gun, due to the way sight dispersion and aim speed affecting attachments (like the rail/underbarrel laser sights) work.

So my first order of business is to try and create some rail mounted options. My first attempt at a mod is just going to be a simple rail-mounted railgun. Seems like all I really have to do is copy the rail-mounted crossbow stuff, change some values, and add UPS cost to it. I'm still trying to work out what some of these values mean, like "min_skills": [ [ "gun", 2 ] ], but aside from that everything seems pretty simple.

>>146566803
You only want to fight them if they're all adjacent or damn close. Otherwise beat those feet. It only takes 1 good summon to ruin you.

>>146567009
I actually thought I could defeat them.

But when I realized I couldn't it was too late.

I always go berserk at the wrong time.

>>146566818
I've won an OgHu of Dithmenos. It was fun as heck.

>>146567107
Summon a brother if you don't have berserking down. Most situations where you would want to berserk are also fixed by summoning a brother or 2, except you have the option to dip out as well.

>>146567252
I did, but he got fucked up by the demons and a two-headed ogre.
I always forget that you can summon more than one though.

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>one-turn kill
A new record.

>>146566809
Fixed in 5.0.0

>>146566968
>How do I do that?
Just add a keybind for debug menu

>>146566968
>How do I do that?
go to ? 1 and rebind your debug menu key
>try and create some rail mounted options.
seems interesting.
I'd help you out, but apparently the main dda site has shat the bed and I can't download the latest windows console experimental. Anyway, I suggest looking around the mods in case you get troubled, they often have homemade code hacks you can copy like "override" and other junk that makes the game choose your own recipe/item/blacklist instead of vanilla's.
I think you can find it in the more survivor tools. Or I think It's called survivor tools? I had to download the stable version.

>ToME insane rl
>rip at high peak 10
holy fuck I fucking hate this shitty fucking FUCK game
I can't FUCKING WAIT to play a new character for 70 hours just to get to the end
why is the campaign so godshitawful long
why is there no official quicktome addon yet
FUCK

>>146569208
>playing on insane
That's the problem.

>>146569208
>insane
Try a more fair difficulty.

>>146569749
>>146570083
I can't play anything other than insane
it's a billion times easier to gear up and doesn't even compare to normal/nightmare when it comes to difficulty
going from insane to nightmare would be like playing a completely different game

I can get consistent runs to midgame/endgame but I usually end up getting fucked by a randboss archer critting me for 95% of my health every turn or a randboss melee flurrying me for 5k damage

I just hate how long the campaign is

>>146570867
I've heard archmage is a really powerful class for difficult runs

Maybe you should try it.

>Splatting my most successful deathsword to getting breathed on by OOD shit

F U C K
MY GRIND

>>146571043
>letting OOD shit breathe on me
Own fault

>>146570964
already won with archmage on insane and ye it's gr8
trying for an oozemancer win right now

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I love the random evolutions, but man do hounds suck mightily.

Should have kept grinding ancient dragons in dragon's lair, I guess.

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>>146571043

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>>146571043
You knew what you were signing up for, senpai. Only one sword out of the multitude can break through.

>>146571312
yeah hounds (and a few other classes, particularly the weaker monster classes) are basically meant as "chris was bored and wanted a challenging thing to play with some small unique bonuses that in no way are sufficient to make up for the weaknesses"

the hound-pact warlock is similarly underpowered but kindof fun despite it

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>d8 gargoyles
Could have been awake and molten, I guess.

>>146566818
nah dude, I had an OgFi of Ashenzari clearing Elf early because he had statue form and haste

>>146571521
>>146571436

ONE DAY
I MAY

But not today because I've still got a morale penalty from faulting.

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Which roguelike lets me swooce right in?

>>146573285
brogue

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How does the -6 on this buckler works? Will I have -5 AC if I wear it?

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reminder that pets in nethack are bastards

>>146573686
negative AC functions the same as 0 AC, it just reads negative to show you how much you have to make up before you can have non-zero AC

>>146573686
It's not like there's much of a difference between 1 ac and 0 AC, , while having 26 dex really helps.

>>146573686
No, you'll have negative sh if you wear it.

Whether the +6 dex is worth losing your offhand punch, I have no idea.

>>146573686
You'll have basically 0 SH if you wear that. You essentially give up a tentacle for rN and 6 dex.

>tfw +10 slaying, haste/dig/distint wand prelair
>But I'm an ogre
All it takes is one hit to wreck everything, but I get destroyed just as easily. This is really odd.

>>146574385
Actually octopodes still keep their off-hand tentacle slap with shields

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Finally figured out how colours work in ruby curses.

Now the game looks like a fucking pride parade.

>>146574546
>Another wand of hasting and a +5 morningstar of protection from a fucking yaktuar captain on d:9
Surely I can't fuck this up.

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>>146574780

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>>146574849
sure you can

>>146574780
prettty.

>>146575954
I got to 1 HP from a centaur pack and a red ugly thing. Got real spooked by I'm trucking through lair now. Tomahawks are absurd when you have +10 slay.

>>146576248
Ugly things are dangerous if you don't have the adequate resistances.

>>146576248
EAT ALL MUTAGENIC CHUNKS
QUAFF ALL MUTATION POTIONS

>>146576640
It was a bad situation that was completely my fault. Hit it with 3 ruks before it went down.

>spines
>powered by death
Hopefully I dont fuck this one up

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Boss fight didn't go as planned...

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If you kill your enemies, they win.

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>>146577107
anon the trick is to do the other thing instead of doing what you did

>>146563994
The threshold for new shit added to the game (the mainline game, not a mod) is pretty low, as you might have noticed. If you add new items, and they're not completely retarded, odds are that a lot of the dev base is going to consider them an excellent addition.

Also, a big portion of the "dev base" has no idea what it's doing couldn't code to save its lives.

Basically, don't be afraid to try pushing things to the game.

>>146570867
Tried the Embers DLC? That campaign's a lot shorter (and actually feels a lot better that way).

how do I win POWDER

>>146578901
You don't.

>>146557332
If you go to the shop and pick "reforge an artifact" it will display your current max power level at the top of the screen where you choose the source art.

>>146578901
Get barbarian set
Get good item types for barbarian roll (pure RNG)
Tab away

>tfw powered by death is maxed by Lair
>tfw full piety with makhleb
>tfw spirit
oh baby

>>146576248
Remember that ruks have >1.0 delay unless you have a lot of throwing.

>>146577040
Are spines good in late game?

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>>146579456
>2.0 delay
Holy shit. I forgot about their delay. I knew javelins needed 16 and tomahawks 14, but somehow blanked on that. Luckily I haven't been using the ruks so much. I think this is my first ruk chucker in years to have made it this far.

>>146579334
Is more healing really what you need from your god? Wouldn't something that helps you get those first few kills in order to get the PbD rolling be better?

>be a death sword
>find a (+23,+15) weapon
>absorb it to receive +1 to hit

well meme'd chris great fucking class

>>146577553
>Q going to the arena at xl29
>at -8 speed

anon even if you didn't die to fucking hound melee somehow you'd still be in oneshot range for most of the ancient durrguns in there
and they'd all be 2-4x as fast as you

>>146579823
That's a pretty nice club.

>>146579714
They're pretty damn good, so long as there are melee guys.

>>146579916
The only other option seemed to be qazlal and I didn't really want to bother with him this run. Plus im polearms and I like abusing mak summons

>>146580001
you get less of a bonus the more you already have

if you're low level it was probably a Morgul weapon. shit like heavy curse and aggravate reduces the number of essences you get from eating shit

>>146571043
>not playing rodofdetectionband
seriously you should see that OOD shit way before it sees you, which gives you plenty of time to leave the level or just avoid the area

>>146580243
It was a Morgul, good call faggot

>>146580043
Its absolutely insane. I didn't know giant clubs only needed 18 skill for min delay. 1 more damage than a 3sword for 6 less skill. I don't need another weapon.

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That could have been worse.

>>146567176
how do you og of dith

it sounds fun

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>find ring of +6 AC
>try to kill uncle yiff for free glowing cloak
>he drinks a potion and goes berserk
>you convulse! You are burned! You're electrocuted!

click or numpad for crawl boys?

>>146581226
click all the way

just ignore those elitist shitters who try to make you use the keyboard

>>146581119
>Killing Yiff
You leave him in his apartment for the ascent.

>>146581456
I need all the AC I can get anon
It's not like I have anything else

>>146581226
Keyboard is quicker and easier when you get used to it, which doesn't take long at all.

>>146578312
Yeah, I played through embers and beat it
it's a lot shorter and pretty fun but eh, it just doesn't feel right
I dunno how to explain it but after I beat it, I felt absolutely no desire to play through it again

>death yaks

Can I use rings in MuMo challenge?
(haven't beated the game yet but I want to try this shit)

>>146582081
yes but not rings of slaying or regen

>>146582245
For real? I mean, it says NO amulets but I guess I can use rings and boots and that kind of shit

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>>146582081
Yep.
Here's a list of Do's and Don'ts.
you drop your robe at turn 0
you never put on body armor
you don't wear rings of slaying or amulets of regen or anything that regens you (artifacts)
and you can use shields except for bucklers actually you can use bucklers nobody will say anything against it and everyone who won used a buckler

>>146581226
>>146581421
I started with numpad, but then was forced to learn hjklyubn when my laptop didn't have a separate numpad. It took a little getting used to, but it makes playing a lot faster. That 1/2 second to switch over from numpad to home row adds up over a thousand times, whereas switching from hjlk to homerow takes something like 1/5 a second.

>>146582339
Why can't I get ring of slaying? Where it's that on the big picture?

I still think that a MuMo challenge where you wear the armor of the uniques you killed would be fun.
>>146582648
it's next to the regen.
The huge barred O.

>>146579714

I found spines pretty lackluster, especially lategame. Dangerous stuff won't be attacking you in melee and for the things that do, the damage done isn't great. It's on the low end of the demonspawn mutations.

>>146582632
also your hand gets to sit right next to the o key

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>>146582648
This bit.

>>146582910
I guess Boots of Running are forbidden too, right? Alright won't use them.
I'm doing it on 0.18, there's much of a difference or do I have to play in 0.15?

>>146580008
IT WAS NOT A FAULT
I had a fucking greater titan and a wyrm of chaos and I would spam summons until I got a horde and then I would tell them to seek and destroy while I tele away. I only died because my phase failed there.

>>146582910

Oh yeah that's also no boots of running.

>>146583114
>putting yourself in a situation where you will die if a scroll fails
FAULT

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>>146583101
Nah.
>>146583114
You'll come around.

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Anyone played Vanilla Bagel? It's one of the greatest Roguelikes you will EVER play.

>>146583114
when you're 1 turn away from death, you should always use the 0% failure chance consumables if possible

yes that means blowing a !healing instead of a phase door

>>146583808
I vanilla'd my cat, she hiss at penis

Somehow I've managed to get decent coverage of high resists before getting anything low or a weapon better than a lance. Are there any particularly decent gear grinding spots in the mid 20s? I've been doing labyrinth 25ish but it doesn't seem that great.

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>>146584898
Your living room seems a good place.

>>146584898
555 if you have it enabled but you should be careful.

>>146585607
It's LIVING room you fucking retard
You can't kill self there

I fucking hate the snake pit.

Constriction does a lot of damage.

Is there any other good way to escape other than killing the enemy or using a scroll of fear?

>>146586265
Evoke your feet.

>>146586294
W-what

>>146586265
>I fucking hate the snake pit.
I assure you, now that sparkplugs are a thing spider is way worse.

Snake is literally free xp the branch.

>>146586479
Well I don't know about you but I've managed to beat spider but everytime I try to get the snake rune I get killed.

>>146585696
I wasn't careful enough. On the plus side, ancient dragons are a lot more killable than expected.

>>146586417
V,1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/

>>146586562
I guess it might just be a MuMo thing. Immunity to poison and sucking in every other aspect.

>>146586479
spark wasps and shock serpents both have low hp, no rAnything but elec, and have very low MR. They're there just to make a player consider the very obvious alternatives to tabbing, mostly just picking up some hexes or wands

>>146586265
you get a chance to break free each time you attempt to move, and you get 3 when you try to blink

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>>146586639
>using wands
>using magic
what a flaming homosexual

>>146586775
That works well when you're not surrounded.

I guess that's what I should do, not get surrounded.

>it's yet another berserker ghost
Jesus christ, how come there are so many shitters out there

>>146586617
I still don't get it, I've tried and nothing happens.

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>>146584898
Here's my ideal spots.

The yellow area is good for lowish level characters. Your goal is to kill orc packs in high dlvl areas and young and mature dragons that wander out of the mountains.

The tile my character is on is pretty good if you have levitation since you mostly get young and mature dragons plus some not dangerous things like sphinxes.

The orange ones have better loot but are more risky since you can step out of a tree and get gangbanged by gwaihir.

Teleport away from Ds, the bird uniques and hounds.

Once you can kill ancient dragons and have levitation you can go deeper into the mountains for dlvl 50 areas.

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>>146587027
I think you're taking this too literally.
Try to think about it.

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Am I strong enough to do lair yet? This is where I always die

>>146587143
>Gr
Take off the scale mail and slap on some meme mail, stop carrying around those other random weapons, raise dex and train dodging for fuck's sake.

>>146587290
i would if I found some. and thanks , I always thought fighting over dodging

>>146587374
Fighting gives you weapon damage (maybe some accuracy too) and health, which are important, but other defenses are important too.

>>146587143
You look a little shaky going into lair, I'd agree with the other anon, get some ring mail that doesn't hamper your EV as much as that scale, since your Gr GDR will make that ring mail into low-encumbrance-rating plate mail.

Was this a D8 Lair? Did you skip a lot of floors due to ghosts/uniques? you seem underleveled

>>146587132
I'm trying and I still don't get it

Whatever

>>146587485
skipped half of two floors due to ghosts. and d8 yes, should I just continue onto d9?

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>>146587771
I'm sorry anon
this is out of my hands

Demon updated.

>>146587771
evoke feet = walk away

>>146587886
Later D is quite a bit harder than Lair and the OoD monsters can be much worse.
An unseen horror would destroy you.

>>146561929
Someone should fuse idle games and roguelikes.

>>146591139
That's what o-Tab is.

>>146590836
alright well i switched to ring mail, and got a bit more dodging, i guess lair it is

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60 !CCW and two !heal was worth it.

>>146591601
You played Vanilla Bagel?

>>146591785
>hammer of atlas
Isn't Hepahestus' hammer better?

>vanilla something shill(s) still shilling

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>sorting through a giant pile of loot after killing 5000 orcs and a unique

>>146592495
>he didn't filter it days ago

>>146592495
at first it was shilling, then he was substituted with a guy with nothing to lose that understood it was incredibly easy bait.
Filter it, don't talk about it and it will magically go away by the power of ignoring shitposts.

>>146592706
I completely forgot about the filter, thanks

>>146592186
I tripled my damage and doubled my AC so I'm not complaining.

Vehumet, Sif Muna, or some other god for a pure caster?

>>146593304
Trog

>>146593254
why are you using block tho

your damage will be higher without it

>>146593304
sif all fucking day

>>146592706
This is actually the first time I've had to filter the very name of a roguelike.
Fucking ridiculous.

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why is this an artifact

>>146593671
Randarts.

>>146563335
I've worked out a lot of kinks in Cata on my own after learning to code and gave up having my shit committed because a lot of it is debloating and giving the map a realistic representation of what New England actually looks like. Even though all the buildings are still randomly generated it was deemed "not procedurally generatedly random" enough to be comitted. Still a little mad.

>>146593671
>not the fishing pole of taikobo
>not the yumi ykutoshi-gi
>not 90% of the standards

>>146593767
Try again, the dev team changed

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>all this when I've only cleared stronghold

chris.....

>>146593916
I don't know how much of the game it will break if I have it committed since I had to go through bugtesting to get buildings to stop spawning on the guaranteed river and beach areas. I gave up hope a long time ago and started to develop it independently while picking and choosing the least shitty commits (thankfully no fursuits, vibrators and vaping shit anymore)

>>146594109
If you can add in z-levels I will personally paypal you three dollars

What happens if this Manilla Magel guy wanted to talk about it and wasn't a shill and decided to do some reverse trolling because you guys are a bunch of idiots who don't want to talk about video games?

How do you fucking know it's a shill? It's like you conjure up shit up in your head

>>146593972
Morgul, Westernesse, seem like they account for a lot of those.
The nicest thing there is the early fire resistance, imo. Itemdest is really awful to death swords early on.

>>146594298
Go away shill, we won't buy your overpriced cogmind crap.

>>146593898
there's a difference between intentionally bad joke-item standarts and "literally 1 resist and nothing else" on a randart

>>146594298
SHOO SHOO SHILL

>>146593671
>>146594462
+30 AC is a lot of power and Helldiver has no bias.

If Chocolate Doughnut had a torrent everyone would be playing it

>>146594232
Attempting to have topigraphic mapgen and being able to look up/down z-levels was too much for me or I'd have done it already. Even with three elevation levels at most (basement, ground, 2nd floor) it's impossible to get vehicles to remain intact if you alter elevation to account for hills and whatnot. They either get stuck or float if you drive over a pit/ledge with even one tile of the vehicle remaining on the higher elevation.

>changing the letters
>adding letters
>removing letters
you really like your (you)s.
Fortunately we had this kind of epidemic a year ago.

>>146594637
anon chocolate donut is slang for asshole...just like chocolate starfish

>>146594882
That was intentional.

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>mfw can't compile latest Infra Arcana from Github with codeblocks, still, and it's been months
I thought you guys like to help people. Don't be vague and say exactly what needs to be done which varies from the README.md that's plastered right on the github page.

>>146594631
i guess AC is more important in PCB than angband but I still pretty much never pay attention do it

>>146595087
Lurk moar, there were exact instructions given a bunch of threads ago.

>>146594298
Hold on, hold on, let me run this thought by you: what if he is a shill though.

>>146595283
Dev here.

Go fuck yourself.

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Well.

So is the shilled that won't be named actually good?

>>146595570
everyone is too busy shitposting about it and taking bait to actually play it

nobody knows

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Rupert is a pos

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This helmet...

>>146595570
It's good.

>>146595087
You seem to be under the false assumption that >1 person uses codeblocks to compile Infra Arcana from source.

No one else knows how to do it.

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>>146595481

>>146595483
Is that Yrig, father of serpents?
Yeah, by the way you should always carry a staff of genocide.
Also, if you think that's bad the serpent actually summons several uniques with higher power than that one that summoned the skeletals and they in turn summon other uniques or tons of liches.
Summoning summoning summoners aren't really a joke.

>>146595657
Is compeltely useless now that amuelts of mana regeneration exist, yes I agree.

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Post your face when you only have 1HP left

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>>146596393

what do you guys think of Maj'Eyal?

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>>146596393
>tfw fault

>>146596659
Better than Strawberry Croissant.

>>146596659
Kinda fun, but
>jewry
>autism
>jews
>lower on "roguelikeness" scale than DDA

Still, worth a try.

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>>146596393

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>>146596393
I didn't know rupert one hits you

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i need help picking a roguelike to play. i have a ton of them installed I'm just not sure which one would be worth my time to invest in.

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>>146596393

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>>146596393
>cata NPC
>"Drop your fucking weapon!"
>stood my ground without checking to see what the fuck they were holding
>died because they had a motherfucking simple flamethrower because I didn't play experimental where Coolthulu committed NPCs to no longer spawn with them
I am still incredibly fucking mad over this

>>146596832
>lower on "roguelikeness" scale than DDA
but that's wrong

>>146597176
pcb

>>146597357
>pcb

PosChengband?

>>146597523
Actually he meant pcp

How many games did you get your first crawl win? What were you playing? also pst yfw

lack of pic related,

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very nice

>>146597326
>Cata
>Lab challenge broken cyborg
>Walk up stairs
>Turrets kills me before I even realise

>>146597669
>How many games did you get your first crawl win?
I think around 100 over the course of three weeks.

>>146597695
Is that ADOM

How can I get good at it

They say dwarven paladin is good but I always die very soon.

Is there something in DCSS that's similar to the command "rest" in nethack?

You know, you put how many turns you want to wait but as soon a monsters shows up it stops.

>>146598315
5, i guess

>>146598315
5? Maybe 0 and then 5.

>>146598478
>>146598541
Alright that should work, thank you.

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>>146596393

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>>146598006
play a troll wizard and make the world your bitch.

>>146597669
50 or so.

Also lurk more.

>>146597695
i thought the strat was slaying arrows, why are you meleeing it?

not that i really know anything about adom

>>146598919
I wish there was a way to choose your star sign and reroll your stats until you like them.

I know if you play on the server you can do it, but I like playing with tiles.

>>146599143
There are a number of ways to cheese the ACW, and slaying arrows/bolts are one of the best if you have the ammunition. Meleeing the wyrm without a fabulous beatstick tends to be expensive and a bit risky.

>>146599562
>I wish there was a way to choose your star sign and reroll your stats until you like them.
you could do that in old adom 1.1.
Some dude had reverse- engineered biskup's code and made a fork called "ADoM sage" ten years ago, with lots of added quality of life improvements, like fullscreen and window resizing, star selectors and stat rollers.

Biskup stole everything and asked money for it.

>>146600342
Well damn.

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>>146601061
Biskup is a hack.
More at 11.

>>146588475
Hot diggity, see you in a week /rlg/ I'm off to play roguelikes instead of shitpost

>>146600342
>I wish there was a way to choose your star sign and reroll your stats until you like them.

If you actually own the Steam version they made an update to fix this very issue.

>>146601130
You know what would have been fun

That even if you were playing with tiles, once you entered the chaos plane everything would be in ASCII

Or maybe it's a horrible idea and I'm dumb.

>>146601130
Go fuck yourself. ADoM has been free for literally over a decade.

>>146601821
>Go fuck yourself.
I will not.
I gladly invite you to fellate my genitals.

>>146601821
ADoM was free for nearly 2 decades actually.
Unfortunately, for about the last half a decade, it has been a Freemium product. Like Maplestory.

>>146595229
Archive search function isn't working and instructions were vague as fuck, if we're thinking about the same thread where "just create the directories codeblocks needs :^) " were the gist of the instructions.

>>146603117
I'll spoonfeed you this one time
>look at what directories codeblocks can't find
>find them in other directories
>copy them to the path where codeblocks searches
So if you need "X:/jews/ia/libs/SDL2" and have "X:/jews/ia/includes/SDL2" you copy SDL2 from includes to libs so that you now have the "X:/jews/ia/libs/SDL2".

>see a zombie beating up on a harmless floating robot
>go cudgel the zombie to death
>police bot approaches, tells me to put down my weapon
>drop my cudgel and apologize for my errant vigilantism
>fucking robot starts hitting me anyway

I have a shotgun back in the house, and am packing a pistol, is either a good weapon for this guy? Or should I just avoid.

>>146597669
I don't remember how many but it took me something like 10 days playing on and off. I won with a DsAK. It was my first roguelike too, like the casualbabby I am.

>>146602974
People are so fucking self-entitled nowadays.

>it has been a Freemium product.

No. No it is not. It's fucking fair since he worked on ut for 2 decades and selling it with a better UI and better graphics. That's so fucking stupid.

>>146604861
Alright Biskup, whatever you say.
Providing a free version with limited content and a "buy the full version!" message whenever you start the game up is not a reprehensible business tactic that I would expect from chinese rip-off devs.
Nope, not at all.

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>>146604731
Are tasers any good?
Assuming I get anything at all out of this salvage.

>>146605073
>Alright Biskup, whatever you say.
>Providing a free version with limited content and a "buy the full version!" message whenever you start the game up is not a reprehensible business tactic that I would expect from chinese rip-off devs.

You're fucking delusional. Still, even with "Freemium" content you still got the entire game. The extras were just extras and not necessary. It's still fucking fair.

Holy shit. You ADHD-American. You're getting it for free. It's only fair to remind you if you want to buy the full version. You self-entitled prick deserve nothing free.

>>146605340
>12 chunk of steels
come on cata are you even trying

>tfw can't find a multiplayer roguelike that doesn't have ascii graphics

>>146595087
>Code::Blocks
Might as well kill yourself now. Either use MinGW or get Visual Studio Community you colossal faggot.

>>146605770
Grid based MMOs don't belong here, anon

>>146605340
In stable they're good for perma-stunlocking pretty much anything.
In experimental they're quite weak.

>>146606003

i just want to play a roguelike with a m8, friendo

diablo doesn't count

>>146605346
You forgot to add that he should buy Ginger Bread roguelike too.

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>>146605346
A reminder could be in many less intrusive places than in the starting screen, every time you start the game. A demo which ended at main quest X and told you to buy the game to play more would be better than this. That would be A-OK.

Getting so mad that you start delving into assuming nationalities as some kind of slur is pretty embarassing, anon. Perhaps you should calm down?

>>146606186
You're just a self-entitled prick. You don't deserve anything for free faggot.

>>146605346
An American would support ADOM having a paid version you dumb fuck that's Capitalism at work.

>>146605073
>Providing a free version with limited content and a "buy the full version!" message whenever you start the game up
And you have to press a new key every time to skip it, mind you. So you HAVE to see it every time.

That's the best part.

Fuck biskup.

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Holy shit my shotgun just vanished into the ether.

>>146606757
all it takes is 5 seconds out of your life to see that message. and afterwards you're able to play the game for hundreds of hours with all that replay value.

You're truly the worst kind of self-entitled prick.

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>>146606186
that man would benefit with more Chei in his life.

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>>146606913
>here, in my extreme generosity I've decided to give you this game
>you first have to prostrate to my altar for five seconds before playing every time, because it gets my dick hard.
>and you cannot stop this, because this is proprietary software and if you want the source code you'll have to pay me a million dollars and I'll print it for you in twelve hardcovered books

But hey at least he added my little pony references.

>>146606121
>diablo doesn't count
Try Path of Exile :^)

>>146606121
try tomenet or something
it's not a roguelike though

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>want to try the new metamorphosed draconian monk in 5.0.0
>decide to go full autist and grind up to level 35 in the wilderness so I can finally play the character I want
If I splat in five minutes just kill me.

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All of our roguelikes are dead.

>>146607218
>ADoM dev dedicates literally half of his life to develop
>Angry "le epic gamer" complains about having to skip the "buy my game!" intro for 5 seconds

Fucking kek'd. These guys are fucking losers. No respect at all.

>>146606307
I never said I wanted anything for free.

While ToME is a steaming pile of shit, it at least keeps its adspace out of an unavoidable prompt, and provides the full game not missing any (extremely convenient) extras (which should be in the base game), and its DLC is 100% content. Every update to major systems will affect the base game as well. And the base game is open source.

One Way Heroics is 100% payed, but I wouldn't complain about that, because at least it feels honest.

ADoM, on the other hand handles this incredibly poorly.

>>146586479
spider is the most easily cheesed branch, all you need is a blowgun or meph cloud

swamp is next easiest, especially if you can fly/swim, although those guys with the roots and the other guys with thorns hit like trucks and have a ton of health. also fast swimming hydras

then it's probably snake; nagas are fucking tanks and can take a relatively long time to kill, a single shock snake can kill you even with relec, naga sharpshooters can smite target you with 50 damage bolts, salamanders have double fire brand attacks, and everything constricts you which fucks blink and can force the use of slow teleport

shoals can be the biggest shitshow out of all of them, even with flight or swim. everything is fucking super fast in the water or air you can't outrun anything even if you *can* fly/swim; huge wide open levels mean there's nowhere to hide either, and it's almost impossible to abuse killholes because walls are rare and you'll take a ton of attacks of opportunity trying to kite all the hyperspeed enemies to your kill hole. adding salt to injury, everything hits super fucking hard, and there's also enemies with bullshit mechanics like mesmerization, infinite summoning, and flooding staircases rendering your escape impossible. there is no point in the game in which you're safe in shoals

>>146607657
You have no say in it though. For free there's always going to be a catch. Things don't come out of thin air. There's hard work to be had. And sometimes they have to implement boring shit like how you described earlier. But you're just going to have to deal with it. You're not entitled for free games so fuck off.

>>146607657
I also like ToME's open source mods and the fact you're not paying for a hack that doesn't let you snoop around the code and change it, but actively encourages modding the game.

Biskup threw a tantrum when someone made SAGE and even worse when they created the ADoM guidebook, something like 15 years ago, because he said he wanted the players to "experience the pain first hand".
His words.

It all makes sense when you understand that Biskup is fucking german.

>>146607984
>For free there's always going to be a catch.
Alright, anon. I'll keep enjoying my 100% free and open source roguelikes with thousands of hours of hard work put into them. Apparently they came out of thin air though, who knew.

>>146607984
>For free there's always going to be a catch.

Not really.

All the major roguelikes are free because they're made by a tightly knit community of people who enjoy what they're doing.

If two hundred people put two hours into their hobby every day and don't ask to be paid, you still have a successful roguelike.

So stop this insane rambling.

>>146607349
anon no matter when you die in pcb "you were just getting to the good part"

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>>146606887

>>146607984
>For free there's always going to be a catch

Except in every other roguelike

Without too much talking, what is OBJECTIVELY the best and most feature-packed roguelike? Also the most popular?

>>146608220
>>146608291
>>146608430
You guys are fucking spoiled. Self-entitled twat. Then stop talking about other roguelikes that require money then you stupid fuck. Enjoy your shit freeware with no updates.

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>>146608514
>gets btfo
>"y-you're just spoiled!"

>>146607668
Shoals can be cheesed hard with invisibility (almost nothing in the branch can see invisible).
Mesmerization can be broken by loud noises (e.g. zapping a wand of lightning).
Merfolk that follow you will eventually have to get on the ground (assuming you aren't just flying over water all the time) after which your movement speed is equal to theirs.
A lot of enemies here, like in the other 3 branches, have low MR.

That said I agree shoals is the hardest out of the four. Pure melee dudes have the hardest time there out of anybody else, but if you weren't training even a little bit of evocations then you were asking for trouble anyway.

>>146608076
I would never use "like" in the same sentence as "ToME", unless it was prefaced with the word "don't", but yes. Darkgod did it right compared to Biskup.

The free game feels finished and free (though the lack of a proper gcu/ncurses port makes it hard to look at).

>>146608220
>>146608291
>>146608430
You do realize people make games and they fucking sell them? How is that any different than a roguelike you purchase you fucking retard?

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>>146608438
Fun is not objective.
Popularity passes.

>>146608514
>>146608774

>So hold me tight, to-night, to-night,
>It's (you),(you),(you),(you), oh, oh, oh, oh.

>>146608774
Because roguelikes have never been anything but the nichest of genres and have a long history of being both open source and totally free

>>146608514
>no updates
>checks DCSS commit log
>checks Angband commit log
>checks Poschengband commit log
Hm.
Whatever you say, man. I can play OWH and enjoy DCSS or Angband as well.

As a last note, consider consulting a thesaurus. 'Prick' and 'entitled' are getting a bit dull.

>>146608774
We've already discussed what is wrong with the way Biskup sells his game, and how this is different than other paid roguelikes/roguelikes with paid content. Please pay attention to the lesson or just don't speak. Thanks.

>>146608907
>without too much talking

looks like you missed the part

can you guys shut up

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Is it really that easy to troll /rlg/?

More important, why would anyone bother?
Trolling is so 2006.

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>>146609354
>Trolling is so 2006.
Get on with the times gramps

Now that people have forgotten about trolling, it is better than ever.

I'm highly trained in vegan warfare. Any thread I want, 300 replies starting.

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>>146609519
that's incredibly sad.
And that's coming from a guy who spammed pony porn for half an hour just to get banned.
But to each his own I guess. Maybe that's just how you have fun.

>>146609182
>We've already discussed what is wrong with the way Biskup sells his game,

Look at this faggot trying to make his opinion as fact. Go fuck yourself buddy you using big fucking words will not shroud my soul into darkness. You will not put me in such a low corner of my own self-esteem. It's not going to fucking work on me faggot. Go ahead. Try to strike me down further. :)

>>146609709
Don't be so jealous but get back into form, you rotten fatass.
You are extremely unlikely to get onto my level or even above half of my level, but this doesn't mean you should just lie down and cry about your horrible brony existence.

Does anyone have a download link to ADOM? A MEGA link or a torrent?

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>>146596393
last second ddoor face
tfw you miscast it with <10 HP left

>>146610125
Dev here.

Go fuck yourself.

>>146610308
If you didn't want your game to be pirated you shouldn't have made it buy-to-play, sucks to be you.

>>146588475
>>146601430
fucking finally
Be sure to post all your super imbalanced builds/strats here

>>146610420
Why do you piss me off so much?

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One day you'll reach enlightenment like our boy spider here.
Until then, take it easy.

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Would've been a nice bandaid to my chronically shit resists. Oh well.

>>146610487
Because I'm not a greedy Jew.

>>146610125
here u go anon <3
http://store.steampowered.com/app/333300

>>146610456
Rotating barrel of breath weapon demons utilizing quick summon, quick dismiss, and nightingale.

>>146610602
I said free.

>>146610710
o sorry
here is the free torrent <3
http://www.ancardia.com/download/adom_windows_r60_pub.zip.torrent