/rlg/ - Roguelike General

>>146422454

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Ohayou gozaimasu, /rlg/!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's play our best today!

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1st for Xom. END IT ALL IN SHITPOSTS

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>>146422534

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>>146422531
I replied to my own OP instead of linking it in the old thread...

DUDE

>>146422454
>>146092915

IMAGINE

>>146422878
SO SLOW THAT TIME LOOPED AROUND AND HE DID IT IN THE FUTURE

>>146423156
step from time is a hell of a drug

>>146423118
SEVEN RUNES

What's the Dark Souls of roguelikes?

>>146423483
cdda is the hardest and most skillful roguelike, if that's what you're asking

>>146423483
Spelunky

>>146423483
>Xom roars with laughter!

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>>146423535

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>>146423483
>You are straying from the path of individualism
>That was rather dishonorable
>How unfair!
>You feel less knowledgeable
>That was not very enlightening
>That was rather lethargic
>How impatient!
>Stop, you brute!
>-more-

>>146423483
HellMOO.

>>146424903
That's a MUD.

>>146425051
which is one type of roguelike, yes

>>146425159
Except it's real-time, and thus cannot be a roguelike.

>>146425159
not him but...it's sortof fuzzy
I mean they share a lot lot lot of properties but MUD is not a subset of RL even though they're close cousins

>Antaeus getting oneshot last thread

That's for the faggot who said SpEn are shit since they drop invis from their book

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>>146425826
>SpEn

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>>146422454

>>146425987
veh altar is pretty sweet

>>146425826
He didn't get oneshot though?

>>146425956
>.12
That was at the height of SpEn power too. Good times.

>>146425987
>No chei pullover hoodie
I can't get comfy with this.

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>>146425987
>videogame clothing

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>>146423860
>Xom thinks this is hilarious!

Are the several dozen martial art styles in Cata learnable in-game? In stable.
Seems kinda silly to have them all just at character creation.

>>146412306
>>146413040
You don't train UC from the getgo, you train transmutations until you can learn spider form at XL3, you learn spider form, then you train only poison magic until spider form is around 20% failure. Then you can turn off poison magic, and put in most likely onto UC.

Spider form is important to rush because it:
>gives you a to-hit bonus
>gives you a 'tiny' size which increases your EV
>gives you extra DEX on top of that to-hit bonus and that 'tiny' size
>increases the base damage of your melee attack
>puts a venom brand on top of that increased base damage

It used to also give you .8 movedelay and cling, but alas, it was too strong.

>>146427081
Yeah, there's manuals in the dojos.

How should I prioritize leveling skills in DCSS? Rush weapon to mindelay? What next?

>>146427081
There are manuals in the dojos if you pick "more locations". They teach the styles (and usually hold all the unarmed styles rather than the defence or weapon styles, the latter of which are more common in antique shops) in a 20 minute read.

>>146427501
>if you pick "more locations"
Is this a world gen option or what? I've seen dojos on the map before.

>>146427759
Yep, one of the mods.
Unless I'm wrong and you're not using it.

>>146427994
I'm on stable, I guess they just included it in the base game at some point.

>>146427320
Don't rush min delay. Get a reasonable delay (1 swing per turn being the first benchmark) and rotate weapon skill with fighting. Its usually much more exp efficient, since it buys you precious HP and a much needed accuracy/damage boost early on. 1 swing per turn usually happens at 8 weapon skill, so I tend to go 8 -> 5 fighting -> 12 -> 10 -> 16 (the cutoff point for 1 hand weapons). After that, decide on shields or a 2H but never stop training fighting after that.

when does DrTm become (not) a squishy punching bag for worms and rats

>>146429156
When you turn into a spider.

>>146427081
SOME of them have manuals which you can rarely find in dojos or military barracks, but some are only available through character creation

>>146429156
>be transformed
>never not be transformed

>>146429525
If you go to a mansion you can get the niten ichi ryu book pretty easily which makes you overpowered instantly

>>146425826
Man, I couldn't one-shot him. Couldn't even stab him. So I just ended up going to Pan because I was done with the run. Got berserkitis 3, Teleportitis 2, -regen 2, Frail 3, All Stats +4 and a bunch of other cool shit.
Kinda just gave up and tabbed a random PanLord with some impressive close combat damage and died.

And all of that just because I contracted shoutitis. I really want rMut back.

>>146430092
Did you have a way to kill cacodemons and nexokeks that didn't involve walking at them?

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>>146422741
you also didn't link to the old thread from this OP

>>146430546
Nope. Not that I cared at that point, anyway. The run ended when I couldn't kill Antaeus in one attack.

>>146430092
I sacced my stabber the last time I played one too, I know your pain

>>146430673
Gross. rMut nowadays is basically iron shot, wand of digging/disint and sputterflies. Or necromut if you're one of those guys.

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should i? or do i do what i always do and go extended until i die

>>146431405
>Blurry 3
>Berserk 1
Ascend.

>>146431405
Leave the dungeon.

ded genre

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I forgot that I had a level 50 psion parked forever.

There was an Emperor Quylthulg here and it probably took 10x as long as Oberon did to kill.

Doesn't help that "not detected by telepathy" enemies take 1/3 damage from psi storm.

Although Psions still get an infinite 0%-fail supply of dimension door and 430-hp heals so I went through both fights spending exactly 0 consumables.

>>146434071
NOTE, ANONS, HOW ANON USES DESTRUCTION TO PREPARE THE FIGHTING TERRAIN

>>146431405
Fucking retard.

I have never been more triggered by bad play in my life. Why didn't you just go win?

>>146434309
It helps but I still had to do a lot of "dimension door around a corner" when I suddenly got 3 archliches summoned on my head or something.

I don't know how classes without ddoor do anything.

>>146434071
>all those buffs
That class looks crazy.

>>146434727
to be fair like 9 of those are from 1 spell

>>146434678
Well since if you are doing things properly, you blast _Destruction first, >80% of your ?Phase Doors may as well be DDoors.

>>146434882
I really don't like the random factor.

Yeah *usually* you'll be fine, but every once in a while you'll end up moving 1 space to your left and getting triple manastormed by the LLL squad.

>>146435051
depends
genocide is usually good though

>>146435051
If you get Greater Undead dunked on you you should just ?Mass Genocide. If it's as a Kaschei/Vecna escort, you just Teleport.
Phase Door is super strong, but it's not an every day thing. And Destroying terrain makes it super insanely good.

>>146434536
Got damn, my mind is still reeling. Nearly 2000 games played, and you still play like that. Anon, my heart hurts.

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Kind of neat, I guess? Except that I'm nearly at level 35 anyway.

Worth dropping my level 27 Death Sword for PCB 5.0 or just keep playing until the inevitable splat?

>>146436171
I'm pissed. He could have been an authentic awfulplayer too.
>>146436780
>Death Sword
Yes.

>>146434536
what happened

>>146436780
Some of the changes might benefit death swords (there's no longer, say, weapons of orc slaying, just a weapon of slaying that may have any or multiple slays on it).

>>146437558
I don't want to talk about it. All that needs to be said is that Ketziah splatted and that my hopes and dreams for a fellow player in the thread have never been so expertly dashed.

>>146437751
Do you have to *ID* it or just normal ID?

>>146437879
If you *ID* one and see that it slays orcs, you'll recognize another one that slays orcs when you normal identify. If the second one also slays demons, you'll either have to *ID* it or whack a demon to find out.

>MR-

Is it ever worth it?

>killing zombie children makes you feel sad
>crushing their corpses to bits does not
?

>>146438592
Yes

>>146438857
Uh oh...

>>146438857
>HellMoo
Please don't.
It's not a roguelike and it is not a good thing.

does anyone else actually play the original rogue? it and brogue are my favorite roguelikes, and although brogue expands on the foundation of rogue i think they're both unique enough to warrant playing

>>146439485
>aquators

>>146439485
I've had it compiled for a while now, but never got around to actually playing it.

>>146439592
the dumb shit in rogue is part of the fun to me. the thing i like most about roguelikes is hedging my bets in bad situations and coming out ahead. are there any older roguelikes that are more like rogue than nethack? it seems like everything after rogue went in the direction of "add the maximum amount of shit".

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this guy was a chump
he cast a grand total of One (1) summoning spell, and only got a Lesser Black Reaver out of it

I spent more time chasing him around the level after he teleported away than I spent actually fighting him

>>146430092
>Got berserkitis 3, Teleportitis 2, -regen 2, Frail 3
>that last one as Spriggan, with the first three
That sounds like true American fun for the whole family.

>>146422454
New to RL's and i suck....

How often do you guys walk away on early level dungeons? I feel like i'm not walking away enough...or throwing enough rocks

>>146439891
also I can now be quintuple-immune to electricity because of razorback

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>>146440084
I'd say all the fucking time.

>>146440084
>Is the enemy red or yellow?
Walk away.

>More than one badguy?
Walk away.

>Shooting poison needles?
Walk away.

>Shooting mutagenic lasers?
Walk away.

>Asks if you found a nice girl yet?
Walk way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejE0tscQmYM

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>>146440084
>There has been too much violence. Too much pain. But I have an honorable compromise. Just walk away. Use teleportation, blinking, haste, even your feet, and the RNG will spare your life. Just walk away and you'll find safer XP somewhere else in the dungeon. Just walk away and there will be an end to the faulting.

>>146440564
Walk away from two orcs, notice an ogre.

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Which one to pick? I'm a bronze mauler.

I'm thinking of the regeneration one to try out the new regen stacking, but I'm not sure if something like magic resistance is good.

>>146440797
that was beautiful

How similar is Angband to Rogue? Which variants should I try?

is there a way to know the "throw value" of an intem in cata? I just know that rocks and ponty sticks are ok.

Did they remove the invisibility spell in DCSS?

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Okay, so I was picking up items, and got full on volume.
Then, given the choice between disposing of a can and picking up another, I chose to dispose. Then, when prompted with what to do with the water, I drank it.
I guess don't do that until it gets patched?
Time to figure out how to submit a bug report for CDDA.

>>146440947
Magic Resistance or Regeneration.

>>146441864
no but the took it out of the Enchanter book

>>146440084
basically if you ever walk forwards towards an enemy (who doesn't have a ranged attack) you fucked up

throw a stone to catch their attention and let them walk to you

>>146441601
Similar to rogue isn't a very useful metric IMO. Angband has a town where you buy and sell stuff and a really big, endlessly regenerating dungeon where you splat things and collect XP. Grinding is possible and very useful. Much of the game is spent collecting specific resistances, intrinsics, and spell effects before delving to depths where you need them to not die. Most monsters are either nearly harmless or exceptionally dangerous.

>>146439845
define "shit"
"shit" as in items, monsters, skills, abilities? are you looking for a barebones super minimalist roguelike?

>Brexit won
FUCKIN
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>146443252
hype

fuck yurop

any roguelikes on android guys

>>146443252
I'm excited to play all the british roguelikes that will be made after they lose their jobs.

>>146443761
Read the What to Play pasta.

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>>146443773
i am dying here

>>146443981
thanks gotcha

>>146426293
>chei apparel
This could be arranged.

Vanilla Bagel is a fun game. Try it out? On sale. :)

http://store.steampowered.com/app/491510

>>146442609
"shit" as in stuff that isn't necessarily balanced with the intent of the game being beaten 100% of the time with "correct" choices. that being said, i don't like nethack at all. maybe a better way to explain what i mean is that i feel like rogue is an arcade game and many of its successors try to be full fledged rpgs

>>146444372
Fuck off

>>146444862
Have you tried DOOMRL? It's very arcadey.

>>146441735
anyone?

>>146441735
Last time I checked was years ago, and it was really complicated, and it's probably only gotten more complicated.

Guns or even bows or slings are probably better anyway.

>>146445027
Yeah I like it a lot. What about Moria and Hack? Are they any closer to Rogue than their successors?

>>146446451
I honestly have no idea; I've always assumed they were basically prototype angband/nethack and ignored them.

Have you tried Brogue? It's sort of arcadey, but also very hard and allows for many bad decisions.

>>146445027
Did the devs abandoned DoomRL?

>>146447317
I dunno. It's probably pretty complete regardless.

>>146443773
Nah mate, see this is the start of a new era of entrepreneurialism.

You thought that Vanilla Bagel shilling was bad? Boy you ain't seen shit

Perfidious Albion is back.

>>146444372
Increase the sale to 50% and I will.

>>146447595
That's kind of fucked up. I am not made out of money. I worked my fucking ass off on that game and you would expect me to cheapen my ass off for you? You think I'm your dirty little slut? Wrong asshole. Stop being a lazy fuck and buy my game.

>>146447941
I still don't believe you are the dev but if you are can you give me a copy
You know so I don't have to pirate it

>>146447941
If you really are the dev you need to chillax. 4channers are poor dopes. Try to milk reddit or bay12games instead.

>>146447941
For the last time,I ain't bying your game, Todd.

>>146448416
>>146448542

Please don't buy my game if you're that fucking poor. I'm poor fucking too and I work full-time. So cut that fucking crap with your self-entitled waifu bullshit on 4chan. Mother fucker. Why don't you just screw off and play CoD and buy it's DLC or something? Pussy. Sick and tired of fucking freeloaders. Christ. Get laid or something. Go outside and breathe mother fucker.

I want to change around the layout of my house in CDDA. What do I need to get to bash down a wall? I have a baseball bat, but I don't particularly want to damage it as it's my main weapon.

>>146449085
Don't try it, the roof will collapse, you will go deaf, and it will rain inside of your house

>>146449085
I;ve read somewhere that you can expand the basement, with a hammer or something.

>>146449208
Okay, I just switched a window for a door.

>>146448723
I simply can't understand anymore the closed source devs.

You are all so butthurt all the time.

Chill

>>146447317
They're working on something new. Something with less copyright.

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Is there a reason why I am prevented from building fences anywhere? Does it have to connect to a "fence starting point" or some such nonsense?

Also, what are good defensive structures to set up and what tools/materials should I be looking for to do that?

>>146450250
Game looks like shit. You should try out this game called Bagel something.. Forgot what it was called again?

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>>146450250
Also, is there anything I am sorely missing/needs replacing in my standard carry?
Not shown is a foldable rain poncho.

>>146451280
holster

>>146444372
Looks pretty. Why should I play it beyond "it's fun"?

What's with this score thing on all the PCB items now

>>146423483
ultima ratio regum is planning to have "dark souls style combat"

>>146451630
Can I craft that or do I have to find it?
>>146451731
Every item has a score based on its properties, magical or otherwise. This is relevant for reforging, enchanting, and playing an android(though I think Cst is slightly different in calculation from score).

>>146451894
You can make it

http://cdda.estilofusion.com/holster/craft

Holsters let you draw your gun in a shitty situation much quicker than pulling it out of your pack

>>146451731
I guess it's to help make reforging clearer, since you can see what a X power item is like.

Or something.

>>146451665
>Wants me to do a fucking sales pitch

Fuck the right off.

>No torrent for Bagel yet

>>146443252
You fucking English equivalent of an inbred redneck.
You have no idea what you've done.

Are gauntlets of Thanos usable or are they a cruel trap?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf1rqMggBpo

>>146455145
Thanos is pretty usable if, for example, you are a melee character with a lot of blows, but no other sources of *Fi or *Co and you are going to fight the serpent.
Other than that, don't use them.

>>146457027
If you don't have immunity, how much resistance do you need for the serpent if you're going to melee it?

>>146449085
The best way to renovate your base is, sadly, f1 + g, until they provide some way of removing walls without making the ceiling collapse. The DDA devs are, um, not exceptionally competent at prioritizing stuff. They let people work on whatever they feel like working on, so you'll get multiple different types of wearable fedora, fursuits, and craftable neko ears to wear after the zombie apocalypse, but no way to knock down a wall in your base without causing the whole thing to fall down.

By the way, cold labs make *amazing* bases. Live on the top floor, use the floor below for refrigerated storage. Your food will never go bad.

Do vehicles in Cataclysm: DDA violate the non-modal rule?

>>146448723
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMhfbLRoGEw

>>146458239
No but menus and character creation found in most roguelikes does

>>146458239
Non-modality is considered unimportant.

Shop menus in DCSS/Angband are modal for instance.

>>146449676
>implying that is actually the dev and not some anon trying to troll

i guess it's working because everyone keeps taking his extremely obvious bait

>>146455145
You can use them but make sure you're a high enough level to actually deal with cyberdemons (which the AFC can summon).

They shoot 600-damage rockets so don't even think about it if you have low HP and/or no shards resist

what you can do is just carry them around in your inventory and only wear them against shit the immunities help for, which exposes you less to the shittiness of AFC and aggravate

>Caves of Qud

For a game still in early access it's probably one of the most enjoyable roguelikes I've played. They're always constantly updating as well.

>>146458096
What does F1+g do?
I am playing on curses, so function keys map to esc/nothing.

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LET ME SUFFER NOW

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What does this mean?

>>146459565
you're eating well and have a positive health modifier.
basically you recover more health while sleeping.

>>146459482
Come to think of it i don't think I've ever died to Jessica

>>146459385
F1 is the cheat/debug menu. 'G' lets you modify terrain. Currently it's the only feasible way to alter things like walls.

MuMo is the most fun I've ever had playing a roguelike.
Don't forget to subscribe to my personal blog for more updates such as this.

Anyone played a superior roguelike called Vanilla Bagel?

>>146461280
Oh man! One of the most interesting roguelikes I've played! All my friends play it!

its our last moments to enjoy roguelikes before world war iii

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>>146461660
I bought three copies, one to preserve, one to play and one to show off!

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>>146460386
Driving is really confusing.

>>146462026
Same here! Only the most hardcore roguelike players actually play Vanilla Bagel!™

>>146462026
Huh, that's weird. I met my gf when she saw me playing Steam Greenlight presents: Vanilla Bagel™ at our local Starbucks.

She isn't hardcore at all though, and I think this game dispels the notion that roguelikes need to cater to the neckbeard stereotypes of yesteryear.

>>146462626
I'll lose my virginity if I buy Vanilla Bagel? Take all my fucking money

>>146462097
Oops, didn't mean to respond.
How do I get my mechanics to 2? I seem to need it to do anything worthwhile.

>>146463745
>How do I get my mechanics to 2?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlKL_EpnSp8

>>146463745
use a soldering iron on misc. metal items to "repair" them

or just book

>>146458689
Meh, even if he isn't he is pretty pathetic.

Sad fact is that most devs are really like this.

So, if I don't have rPois, clarity, and a way to fly, what should I do first, Snake or Shoals

How do I have fun with Cataclysm? Are people playing a different version?

>>146465519
You need a very specific form of autism

>>146465519
The problem with CDDA is they let people work on whatever they feel like working on, and bug-fixing isn't sexy, so it takes a back seat to people adding dildos and fursuits. This means the "stable" releases are always full of bugs. The experimentals contain the bug-fixes for the stable version, but also the shit-tsunami of new grenade-throwing acid zombies and dinosaur fursuits which introduce all-new and game-stopping bugs. This means there is no version of CDDA which isn't crippled by bugs you have to try to play around.

I fucking love WazHack

>>146465678
You've made this post at least 5 times in the past 2 days.

Bugs get fixed all the time, it seems, but more spring up at the same speed.
Mostly it's that people don't want to take on the heavy yoke of redoing the underlying systems.

>>146465745
>You've made this post at least 5 times in the past 2 days.
No he didn't.

>>146465745
Wouldn't it be awesome if someone made a Kickstarter to pay someone to actually do the hard work of fixing the underlying code that no one else wants to do?

Oh wait...

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>>146465825
It would be wonderful.

>>146444372
In every thread now? Are you that pathetic...

>>146465825
I would rather see Colthulhu and Mugling team up and start a new Cataclysm DDA game.
No fur this time.

>>146466521
Whales will be bringing out Cata2... Real Soon Now.

>>146466621
>sure he will...

>>146444372
I'll pirate it when I can.

>>146465063
Dungeon, orc and U1/2
Then snake

>>146467153
I already did that

except U

What's U? I forgot

>>146467182
Depths

>>146467232
But Depths is even harder than Vaults

Wouldn't doing Snake first be better.

>>146458096
>Your food will never go bad.
+ its very secure

I wish there was a vehicle type that has cold storage... like those meat transporting trucks.
You could turn on the cooling during summer.

>>146467258
Well, harder than Vaults except for V:5 I mean

>>146467258
Stairdancing depths 1 and possibly 2 is doable, if for some reason you don't have enough resources for the lair branches

>>146467356
Well, I'll go to Snake first and if it seems too hard I'll try to go and find something useful in depths

>>146467287
>I wish there was a vehicle type that has cold storage
What about minifridges? Is that not exactly what you're talking about?

>>146467640
>Silly anon
Yes i know, the minifridge
Imagine a 3x3 box that is constantly -30C
More space for meat and food, i see the minifridge as a drink thing only. The electrical use would be huge tho.

>>146467760
Oh okay, I see what you're saying now. Come to think of it, I kinda wish there was something similar to what you described, except for fuel trucks. So instead of coming across a trailer that's just a bunch of cargo carriers, you could come across one that's a bunch of large fuel tanks. And you could either drain it for some fuel, or lure a bunch of zombies to it and blow it up.

>The electrical use would be huge tho.
If most other people's deathmobiles are anything like mine, then it wouldn't matter much. I pretty much never drop below 90% battery, especially since I swapped a bunch of my solar panels for upgraded ones. And this is with using a large electric motor to get around, and having a ups charger, security cameras, and minifridge active at all times. And I'm only using a modified APC, so anyone using something larger than what I've got, which will be more likely to want to use something like you've described, will have more room for solar panels and battery storage.

>>146468379
Stable or experimental?

Experimental is way less forgiving on power.

>>146427224
>alas, it was too strong
To be honest, it still is.

Size bonus to EV in DCSS is OG.

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>club my way through a mansion, find a dickload of books including brew manuals which i haven't fucked with yet in DDA
>reading and brewing throughout the night after I finish work

who else planning to /comfy/ tonight

So if maulers are restricted to a few blows per round what does that mean if you miss? You're fucked and waste an entire turn?

>>146468379
>lure a bunch of zombies to it and blow it up.
Mininukehacks

Another wish is that someday someone will implement railroads. Deathtrains... not so mobile but more space and durability. Also faster travel from town to town. omg tunnels...

Goddamn, not having rPois in Snake sucks.

Maybe I should have tried to do Shoals instead.

>>146472083
I'll shove my Snake right up your Shoals if you're not careful, buster.

>>146472083
>No rPois for snake, 1 pot of resist for shock snakes
>1 pip of MR for shoals, Low AC/EV and 2 flight pots
>No rF for depths
Surely you have not suffered as I have.

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>>146472284
>No rF for depths
Like that ever stopped anyone.

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>>146468864
Experimental. It's not the NEWEST version, but it's pretty recent.

On an unrelated note, I think I may have finally found my first artifact. I was cutting across a field near a road I'd already been down before, making my way back to the lab I've already cleared so I can see if the scanner thing in the lab works on the military black box I found. Smooshed a zombear and a zombie dog, then noticed my minimap had a bunch of rubble in the field, and the layout kinda matches the description other anons have given me about artifact spawns. Went to check it out and found this. Not quite what I was expecting, but I'll take what I can get. What do you think it does? Should I try it out now or what?

>>146472335
It didn't stop me, but fire giants, fire dragons and ugly things are actually terrifying when they do full damage. Getting gibbed for 60 outside of pan is not ok.

>>146472284
I totally forgot about the potions of resistance

I'm a fucking retard.

>>146472516
I have seen the true abyss of bad player, and surely you cannot be as awful. We all forget sometimes. Check your inventory more often. Don't forget that cancellation will remove mesmerize, petrification and contam

Are light armor melee builds viable in dcss?

>>146472595
Yeah, I know that, it's just that since I almost never use the potions of resistance I forget what they do in the first place.

Maybe I'll have more luck in the next run. But I don't know, I think I'll never manage to win.

>>146472385
Artifacts are virtually worthless. I used to farm a mine finale for them, and I'd find one useful artifact out of every 30-40 spawned, and even that usefulness was situational. Very, very occasionally -- like, as in 1 in 500 or so -- I'd come across an artifact which was genuinely amazing, like a ring of invisibility which didn't also radiate, mutate, and teleport you.

Most of the negatives are so ridiculously game-crushing that only an idiot would use them. For example, teleport while driving and you're dead.

>>146472676
Kind of? They're really viable if they're doing other stuff too. On their own with ONLY melee, they're kind of lackluster.

>>146472756
i have to agree with this. They are mostly worthless.
mutate can come in handy when you cant find other ways.

>>146472756
Wow that's pretty terrible.

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Early shields on a MuMo are great. You can use them as soon as you hit 5/6 shields without too much problem and they increase survivability so much it's unreal.
Of course you gotta stay alive until you get 6 points in shields.

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>it's a "die instantly to an NPC with a simple flamethrower" episode
If only "Remove Flaming Weapons" removed more than just melee weapons

>>146449085
I always knock out windows and doorways so that I can make a hybrid vehicle and building base. You can build a vehicle frame in the empty space the window/door was once at and put a roof and door on the frame to make it weathertight. I usually make a 5x5 grid of upgraded panels outside to supply the inside with power because generators are too noisy and make a ton of smoke. Plus I hate siphoning vehicles like it's a fucking gangbang to get enough gas to charge all the storage batteries I have. Also how do you get dirty water tanks installed on vehicles? I've been trying to rig a funnel outside to collect water but there's no easy way to use the FOODCO buddy to purify dirty water into clean water unless it's all attached to the same vehicle.

>>146474405
either you're lying to bump the thread or you're playing an old version, anon.
NPCs don't spawn with flamethrowers anymore. Coolthulu pushed that commit a month ago.

>>146474687
>Also how do you get dirty water tanks installed on vehicles?
It should be as simple as having an empty 60L tank and finding it in the internal tab in the vehicle installation menu. Keep in mind that you can't have a storage battery AND a liquid tank in the same tile, so that may be your problem.

>>146475903
I only have 30 gallon drums at the moment and even on a blank frame I can only instal water tanks which accept clean water as fuel

>>146475752
I'm playing 0.C.10 because I got tired of finding acetalyne torches which were empty in experimental builds

I have played about 150 hours in Elona and 100 or so hours on ToME; are there any other roguelikes that I would enjoy that are like these two? I've never been able to get into the ones that just use symbols as objects/characters, I guess I have no imagination, but that's obviously not all the genre has to offer, I'm just wondering if there are any others that have the good core functions of a roguelike but also have some rudimentary graphics.

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Could I possible do 15 runes?

http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/simples/simples.txt

Also, should I be wearing RegenMP rF++ amulet. I feel like I should, but dismiss has saved me a few times.

Also, should I start to train a weapon. I feel like if I do get into melee range I am dead. Also, maybe I could learn statue form.

>>146476801
Vanilla bagel

>>146476937
enchant your stupid helmet, put on a ring of RC/RF for swapping and grab a TLA

>>146476010
AAAAHH SAVE ME SHIELD

>>146477061

Oh, I was thinking of going elfs to look for a decent hat.

What is TLA.

>>146470483
Yes. This is most noticeable with the monster golem race that only gets one blow ever.

In 5.0.0 maulers get three blows max instead of like 1.5. Extra blows still don't apply, though.

>>146477187
Troll leather armor

>finding good weapons you can't use

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>>146477823
>forgetting your image

>>146477351
GIVE HER THE EXPLODING ADDERS

>>146443252
They stood their ground. What a noble sacrifice!

what if instead of MuMo you picked a MuFi and ditched the armor for the sweet shield

>tedious filthiness morale penalty mechanic opposed by Coolthulhu and mugling is supported by Kevin
Wake me up outside

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https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/17254

Are jumpstart cables a thing in CDDA? How do I charge my car up?

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>>146480383
Kevin is on the wrong side of virtually every decision, which is why DDA looks the way it does. He never saw a dildo, a fedora, or a dinosair fursuit he didn't like, and katanas have the highest DPS of any weapon in the entire game because... reasons. So desu!

>>146481381
Grab a filled battery from other vehicle and put it in the one you want to use. Once it starts, the alternator should charge it up.

>>146481489
Weren't OP katanas a thing since Whales?

>>146481606
>Weren't OP katanas a thing since Whales?
katanas weren't a thing in oldcata

>>146467760

man the fridge in my RV is stacked full of fucking food enough to last all winter on

am I missing something

>>146481708
Clear out a basement full of black widows and with decent survival skill you'll be able to cut enough spider steaks to fill the Rose Bowl. Unless you want to spend the next three days dehydrating it all with your Foodco Buddy, the only way to keep it from rotting away is to fill your whole vehicle with minifridges.

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>>146477351
as though this reaction doesn't get posted enough

>>146481489
>trenchcoat
>linux t-shirt
>cargo shorts
>fedora
>diamond katana
>kevlar lined fursuit back at the base
>you can activate your fedora to tip it

nice game well meme'd

>>146482548

does all that really ruin the game for you? you can ignore fursuits, not tip fedora and use something else than a katana

>>146482548
>>you can activate your fedora to tip it

fuck you that's great

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>>146482670
>he thinks I'm not living the meme dream

That's a kevlar lined fursuit

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>>146482670
>Insults and hostility against segments of the fanbase will not be tolerated.
Actual rule from their shitty echo chamber forum, where they ban anyone who suggests that fat, piss-jugging, fedora-tipping, neckbearded, brony fursuiters are not perhaps the only demographic DDA should be trying to please.

>>146480585
>>146482670
>>146482759
A lot of things in CDDA should be inside a fucking crazy mod. I dont understand why people want their shit inside the main game. I consider roguelikes to be serious, the more memes you put the more of a meme it becomes.

Why didin't the revolution start? Why Coolthulhu?
I really hope he puts that shit inside a mod.

>>146483291
You forgot sandals.

>>146483305
KA101 dot jpg

>>146483472
Sandals are needed for the glorious sandals+socks combination

>>146483449

honestly the only thing that made me really angry was the inclusion of Generic Guns mod because part of the audience is too fucking stupid to tell guns apart and compare statistics

it REALLY says a lot about who is actually playing this game and its a pity because I really like DDA

>>146476010
Man, unseen horrors and ghost moths can be the worst if you don't have see invisible, particularly if you're not playing a tablord already.

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>>146478372
Fucking kekd, does anyone still have that image around? He managed to do it the absolute madman.

>>146483641
>because part of the audience is too fucking stupid to tell guns apart and compare statistics
>you should have 103 different guns that do the same thing and if you don't like it you're stupid
>optional mods that fix reatrdedness make me angry!

You're autistic.

>>146483641
Generic guns was included to make the guns in the game make actual sense when it comes to the design rather than being all
>pistol 1
>pistol 2 with meaningless changes
>pistol 3 with meaningless changes
>rivtech pistol with buffs to every single stat out there
>pistol 5 with meaningless changes

It is the opposite of muh rp.

>>146483827
>>146483840

there's tons of guns in real life I dont see why there shouldn't be variety in a game if only for flavor

I'd rather go around with an M1911 than "a pistol"

Its called immersion and is pretty important in a game like DDA

>>146483641
I bet you like Rivshit too

>>146483827
>>146483840
It's not like there's a bad choice you can make in Cata. In a real roguelike your weapon choice is the difference between dying or not but in Cata it's only the difference between killing everything and killing everything 1% less efficiently.

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>>146484002
>Its called immersion and is pretty important in a game like DDA

I don't think we've been playing the same game, bub.

>>146481678
Yeah, they were, as a rare pawn shop spawn. You couldn't forge them, though, or diamond plate them or make them even more OP with martial arts.

Same with broadswords and rapiers, I think.

Why does Usakyw exist as the god of dance when Qazlal is alread the god of dancers?

Think about it. Qazlal gives you the best options for stairdancing(preventing too many enemies from coming near the stairs you are dancing up, making noise to draw enemies to the stairs, giving you allies to leave on the upper floor and gang up on foes) AND the best options for pillardancing(clouds automatically kill things you are pillardancing and/or it slows them down as they become unwilling to walk into a new cloud).

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>>146484002
>>Its called immersion and is pretty important in a game like DDA

>>146484269
You literally never use Qaz's elemental allies. Its always the smite elemental fireball or LOUD UNT PROUD disaster area. Ukelele seems to be more about debilitating rather than making a fuckton of noise and exploding everything.

>>146483827
>>146483840
This is part of a larger problem with DDA where people are allowed to add whatever the fuck they want at any level of detail. So you have one "meat" to cover everything from giant flies to flaming eyes, but every conceivable fucking piece of Japanese clothing, none of which has any description except a Japanese name since apparently the only people who should be playing the game are weebs and bronies.

People just add their favourite guns with no thought to their function or purpose, or whether it makes any fucking sense for obscure 1950s-era submachine guns to be found in the liquor cabinet of every mansion.

>>146484403
Elemental allies is situational. The ability exists, you may as well use it when it's useful. I like having it around and it's saved me from ranged attackers a few times.

I'm still not sure about Uck. It's nice that there is a god choice that is good in the earlygame besides trog, but stomp and line pass just don't seem useful.

>>146484503
yeah. And that's why generic guns is a good mod.
It fixes what's broken.

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Will playing Cata quell the roaring emptiness inside my very being?

>>146484269
>>146484403
Does killing summoned enemies grant piety? Because if so he'd be really fucking broken with some tricks

>>146482670
>>146482759
Imagine every roguelike had that... well shit, every game on the planet. yeah stfu.

>>146483840
Guns are a hard topic, i personally like the amount of (same) guns with diff names.
On the other hand, its fucking bloat. I agree.
Then again CDDA is not your regular roguelike, its not doomrl to implement simple generic weapons.

>>146484503
True. Kevins modus operandi, let people put shit inside = tadaa, 0.D with tons of new stuff.
Im quite sure the game itself would be much better if Coolthulhu runs the papers. Gameplay and structure-wise.

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>>146484668
of course it won't.

>>146484668
That depends. Have you ever wanted to dress yourself like you covered yourself in Krazy Glue and rolled around in a Hot Topic and then attack a car-hating swarm of dead people in a bukkake circle around a pile of shrapnel which was once supposed to be a car? While high on meth? With a diamond-plated katana?

Then yes, you'll love Cata.

>have a pretty nice run going
>9800 turns to zot
>get to Zot:5
>one lung is blocked by zot trap
>other lung sets off alarm trap
>no problem, let's blink back and buff for a killhole
>alich comes into view
>some cheeky cunt gave aliches petrify
>90% success with XL19 MR
nucrawl why

>>146485110
Do you only have a single pip?

>>146485110
>Not having MR+++ for zot
what are you doing anon

>>146485092
While you mutate with all of your CBMs are turned on...

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>>146485092
Can I also have zombies quantum-tunnel through my vehicle of choice?

>>146485368
>Not this shit again

>>146477351
This reminds me of something...

Cute picture, either way.

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>>146485467
Why didn't you just post the image?

>>146485368
only if you don't remember to double sandwich with "s.

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>>146485524
I... i dont wan't to talk about that.

What is Windows 10 of roguelikes?

>>146485751
DDA.

>>146485751
Your mom.

>>146481489
Unless things have changed, Kevin doesn't add content bloat like dildos and fursuits, he just enables the people that write those.

What he actually does is add extremely tedious, realism-fetish mechanics like gun magazines, which is substantially worse.

>>146486007
I actually like gun magazines, but I only use generic guns.

>>146486007
>realism-fetish
Wait, it all makes sense now.

>>146485751
>Streamlined
>No freedom
>Spies on your data to optimize itself
Crawl.

>>146486150
Funny and true.

>>146486007
>gun magazines
That was mugling, though.

Recent notable things Kevin added were aiming and light-based vision.

I hate cata.

>>146486342
Who decided that it would be an awesome idea for walking into any city to result in instant deafness because of the hatred all zombies bear for parked vehicles? So realism. Such cool. Very immersion.

>>146486342
I'm pretty sure he pushed for it and would have done it if he had to.

Lets all spam every PR with kevin's pics and furrie memes.
Lets start a revolution. It has to happen sometimes. It must happen.
All power to Coolthulhu. Let's do this.
>you first.

>>146486713
It would be a better idea to spam every PR with sensible criticism regarding bad mechanics, making the opponents of it look wrong.

I love cata.
I hate the people who make it.

>>146486568
kevingranade commented 26 days ago
OK, you can wait for me to make a PR on top of your branch adjusting these
things, because they are non-negotiable.

Item has no business having an intrinsic uid, full stop.

>26 days ago

>>146486780
Hi, Kev. Have a Dorito. Named any equipment after yourself lately?

>>146485110
Try being less nuretarded.

>>146486780
>something he would say
Kevin? is that you.

>Yak pack
>D5
>Not even 4k turns
I wasn't having fun anyways

>>146486876
>>146486948
Why would he suggest people do something which would actually cast real shit over his decisions rather than just making people OK with stricter removal of criticism? Didn't you learn anything from TORtanic?
Although admittedly TORtanic was hilarious and it's not like it's gonna work anyway so fuck it, let the good memes roll.

>>146486819
Link? I'm not sure what this is.

>>146487141
Im sure he is going to end like Ramsay from GoT
>eaten by his own dogs

If YOU (the player) like this game and find it going the way it should not go.
YOU should aid in helping the revolution. It may be late by now but something must be done.
Put your name into the history books. Bring back the purity to CDDA. Bring Coolthulhu.

>Someone make a propaganda poster. kek.

>do warg quest as a hound
>receive a ring of archery
It has +1 dex so it isn't totally useless, but it seems like something that doesn't even have a ranged slot shouldn't be getting an archery ring.

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>>146487778

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So, I haven't played DCSS within the last couple of years. What content and fun was removed, err 'streamlined'?

>D:1 boots of running
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU7EHKFNMQg

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He was alive for 4 turns, this is what he chose to do.

>>146488728
Removed:
>Pan
>hammers
>permanent item damage

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>>146483641
Wait, wait. I haven't played the newer versions of CDDA. Did they really genericify all the guns? Is there no mod to restore it? Why the fuck? It gave you actual decisions to make with tradeoffs, and added style.

What's it now, instead of a .45 ACP USP it's just a 'pistol' or something?

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I swear, I always find cool shit I can't use.

>>146489050
They have a mod manager thing and generic guns is one of the mods packaged with the game. You don't have to turn it on.

>>146489050
no.

anyone here beat ToME insane rl? If so, with what classes?
I need something new to play but I dunno what classes to do next

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>>146488728
Some day, the DCSS devs will remove the game itself, citing imbalance.

>>146489236
>we removed the C from DCSS.

Did Chris fuck with the item generation or is it just confirmation bias?

>longsword with slay human/slay giant on stronghold:2

>>146489203
Deathmold possessor in Watcher body FTW.

is there a god that gives pieces of armor in crawl? I want to roll VsMo and don't know what god to choose

>>146489095
>Arga
>Snakebite
Those are definitely worth switching over ya know

>>146489095
Oh, I splatted. I swear, the lag was compounding my stupidity tenfold. I even had dragon form for later.

>>146489382
I had 17 UC, I don't think it would have been worth it. I already wanted to put experience in other areas as well.

>>146489294
Some egos were changed. "of slaying" now encompasses all the "slay <genus>" types, and "(craft)" the "of melting/burning/freezing" types, for instance.

>>146488772
>D2 boots of running
>on a mumo

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Christ, I hate the new rings of teleport.

>>146489554
Mumo challenge doesn't require you not run away, right?

>>146489921
Evoking feet is allowed
evoking fastfeet is not

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help i don't know what i'm doing
pls be gentle, it's my first time

>>146489292
What will you do? Eat stone soups in a dungeon?

>>146490052
The thing to remember with golems is that walking takes more turns than normal.

>>146490052
You're going to want to get a very warm blanket and a lot of klonopin and put yourself into an comfy daze because you will be grinding for the next 50 hours.

>>146489524
Have randarts always been sold at the black market?

>>146490415
Walking? I'm still trying to figure out which key does what

>>146489363
Only Okawaru. Which is a decent melee choice

>>146489912
So do I, only because I really enjoyed that a ring of teleportation was good or bad, depending on the tele. Now it's just bad. So it's a no brainer to take it off so they should just remove it

>>146490819
Evokable tele was really dumb.

>>146490926
I'm talking after it was evokable, when it would randomly tele you after X number of turns while being worn. Evokable tele was fun as fuck too though

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this isn't going well
the help file is a complete mess, i just want a simple keylist, is that too much to ask