/dfg/- Dwarf Fortress General

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>open up caverns
>dwarves hunt giant cave sparrows, draltha and rutherers; interesting and valuable animals that might make great livestock
>never hunt crundles, which are annoying and not valuable at all

Some guy was asking for people to dwarve in the game, if you are still there, im in for it.

Also, what the fuck happened to the last thread?

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>>146281012
>what the fuck happened to the last thread?
Dead at 63, a senseless tragedy. I miss yoko/clipart/contemplative face bumps.

>>146280661
Oh, and elk birds, let's not forget those too. A source of valuable eggs and antlers, and the little buggers do their best to drive them to extinction instead of annoying creatures like crundles.

>>146281225
Jesus, we do need more activity here right?
How about someone starts a legacy fort, or something like that

>>146280661
>>146281460
>no noble secretary of the interior with the ability to institute moratoriums on hunting endangered cavelife

all I want is a siege

>>146282189
>a noble which allows you to control which animals are hunted
Won't that be mandatory once Toady implements capturing animals alive with lassos and shit? You know, to distinguish between the animals wanted dead and the ones wanted alive?

>>146281759
>How about someone starts a legacy fort
Wow, it came back around fast this time.

>go away on a three day trip
>two threads die prematurely
Shit, I didn't realise this general was so dependant on my clip arts and thinking faces.

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>>146285104
Trufax, I was sleeping and pow, dedthreds.

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>>146285247
dubyateeeph page 9 already

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>page10 AGAIN

>>146281012
It was inevitable.

It's me, I'm still here.
Tell me what you want and I'll dwarf ye. Still taking requests and ideas for !!science!!

>>146281759
Is that a succession fort? I'll offer my shitty above-ground fort to anyone who wants. The site is nice with lots of wood and a river. There are seven dwarves. The elven caravan has just arrived.

https://my.mixtape.moe/jkplca.zip

>>146287389
I think we need more than just a premade fort. Rules and shit.
Choosing an embark, arbitrary rules, things like that.

Did the new update fix being able to eat sentient beings?

>>146287774
He would have mentioned it, so probably not.

>>146287993
darn. What about the bug where you need a battle axe to chop down trees?

>>146288189
Fixed.

>>146288189
That's fixed, stone axes work again

>>146287572
>arbitrary rules
No surface trees, no surface rivers, extreme temperatures only.

>>146285104
>cliparts
but that'd piss off that one autist

>>146287774
I'm not sure that's a bug, it's not really clear what the intended behavior is. You couldn't eat sentients up through 34.11, then suddenly you could in .40 with no mention in release notes or change logs, and then later in .40 (or maybe in .42.01?) you couldn't again, also with no word about it. Someone asked him about it in a FotF and he indicated that he didn't even know the behavior had changed without saying anything about how it was supposed to work.

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>set up trapline for valuable cave animals
>crundles keep on hitting it
>capture and tame (and of course slaughter) so many crundles that my fortress have achieved expert level training with them
>they still keep coming

>>146290928
It seems silly that we can't, especially since its part of the elf lore to do so. I'm pretty sure its meant to be in the game.

Question: do you use play the base game or mods like the ones linked in the OP?

>>146291521
>use

>>146291521
Masterwork

>>146287572
Make a shrine to Armok and sacrifice anything to him.
We can decide other rules by rolling.
>next ending in seven decides the first of the next 3 more rules

>>146291830
yeah I first wrote
>do you use the base game
then I wanted to change to
>do you play the base game
but I forgot to cancel use.
Now can you answer that question?

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>>146291521
I make nails and cartilage heal over time and increase the LUST_PROPENSITY of goblins

>>146291335
Well, at least through 34.11 you would get the "No, that's disgusting." message if you tried, implying that Toady had explicitly coded the prohibition against it. I think now you just lick it, like other nonfood items. Maybe Toady had a change of heart on the matter somewhere in the long stretch between .34.11 and .40.01 and then forgot about it. It seems more likely that he forbade it, forgot why and how, and then has accidentally toggled the restriction a couple of times while tinkering. Whether or not we should be able to is another matter entirely, I'm just talking about Toady's intent.
For what it's worth I agree that we should be able to. Though casual practice of cannibalism/consumption of sentients should probably have some kind of consequence beyond satiating your hunger.

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So I edited the raws to make rabbits trainable.
I made a bunch of war rabbits, but now instead of staying in the pasture, they run around my fort, following my dwarves in a massive herd.

Is this normal for war animals?
Will they still breed/eat?

>>146291909
Both.

>>146292820
Yeah I made guinea pigs (or cavies) trainable, that was a lot of fun. You can assign them to specific pastures/soldiers/chains, and they will still need to graze, though caretakers will feed them.

>>146292820
Trained animals of any kind will try to follow their trainers, and sometimes leave their pastures to do it. If you assign them to dwarves as working animals then they'll try to follow those dwarves, leaving their pastures to do it.

>>146293106
How do I get them to stop following the trainer?

>>146292682
From some of the stuff he's said in DF Talks, I feel like he's interested in allowing the player to do what they want without the character's beliefs strongly limiting that.
I could see him doing something like letting you eat sentients whenever, but it makes your character feel terrible about it if they don't find that sort of thing ethical, and then people treat you badly if they see you doing it.

>>146293356
Cages and chains, or just put your pastures somewhere that your dwarves don't pass through often.

>>146293660
People freaking out about cannibalism should be a thing if they're of a civ which is like that, but goblin and elf civs?

In legends it clearly describes elves devouring people they defeat.

>>146293928
You can keep an unlimited number of rabbits in 1 cage, and they will never die of hunger right?

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>trying to capture a male cave crocodile so that I'll have a breeding pair
>elk birds keep filling up my fucking traps
At least they'll be extinct soon.

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*childish giggling*

>>146294140
Yes and no. You can fit an infinite number of creatures in a cage, but caged grazers will die of starvation. You can remove the grazer tag from rabbits in your save if you want to.

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Thread needs more Armok.

>>146294969
>hating on elk birds
They're squishy avian gold, anon. You should be thanking Armok for the great bounty he has bestowed upon your fort.

>>146296652
I thought so too until I realized they were grazers.

>>146296652
>avian gold
You think we'll get creatures that lay golden eggs when the mythology update comes out?

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*more childish giggling*

>>146296123
That's actually pretty cool.

I know this is usually a thing from the forums, but why doesn't this general have its own multifort (whatever it's called).

>>146297669
That's really not an issue. They can hatch a clutch faster than they'll starve to death.
>>146298061
It would be cool if "X that births Ys made of Z" was one of the possible results of the muth generator. It might be too optimistic to hope for something like that early on.

>>146299102
Tickle her nutsballs.

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>>146302060

>>146301073
we always try but it fails

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Damn pixels taunting me with little errors I only notice days later.

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>9 captured and tamed war jabberers
>6 jabberer chicks

>>146304980
They say you only truly fail when you stop trying.
A lot of people have more free time now, it could actually work

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>>146307114
>A lot of people have more free time now,

>>146307456
m8, for good or bad, the influx of new people during summer is a reality, we can only hope they are not specially retarded and colaborate with stuff like this

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Bazoople

Could someone post combat logs ilustrating the new combat mechanics, I cant play right now, and that stuff is brilliant

How does the multi-fort work? Do we take turns with it?
I'm going to have to introduce some of my creative waste storage rules. I like a field of corpses and rotting waste surrounding the golden statues which flank the entrance to my kingdom.

When I make a pump stack, where do dorfs stand?

% % ^^^^^^^^^^


^ = place where I want water to go

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>find "loamy sand"
>designate it as sand collection area
>invalid sand collection area
Welp, so much for my glass industry. Apparently you can make glass from loamy sand.

>>146309529
*can't make glass

>>146309465
If you mean a screw pump, then the left %. If you actually mean a pump stack, then a whole bunch of places, because a pump stack is a whole bunch of pumps.

>>146309346
Yeah, we should roll for the parametres of creation and then between those that wanna play it.
Then he plays an ingame year, and passes the fort to other person, all while he periodically posts pics and stories here.
It would be great, because this is usually slow as fuck

>>146309984
More accurately, they stand way the fuck away from your dwarven fusion plant because they don't need to do anything to run even a dual pumpstack going up 6 or 7 levels if you've got 4 waterwheels hooked to a pump for power.

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Do upright spike traps deal damage to anything that walks into them, or are they safe to pass through and only do damage when you fall into them?

I was thinking of putting them around my livestock as sort of a spiked wall.

>>146311216
Only when you fall on them, but what's the point? They won't restrain your livestock or anything trying to get them in any way.

>layer upon layer upon layer upon layer upon layer of fucking gold

building armor for a squad of dorfs alone would be enough to trigger a forgotten beast at this point

>>146311612
Outside of strange moods or modding you can't use gold for armor.

>>146311796
fug

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>>146309126

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>>146312152
Wouldn't it be Combat Logman?
>he was horrified near a magma

>>146312597
>Wouldn't it be Combat Logman?
Then the wordplay wouldn't work that well anymore.

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>>146312152

>>146312152
Combat log mod when

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>human
>human man
>human woman
>giant human

>>146312152
This is awesome.
I love it, anon, keep up the good work.

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post tilesets!

Is it possible to use dwarf the rapist with the new version?

>>146315607
Not until DFHack gets its binary addresses checked for compatibility, I don't think.

>>146316421
ok thank you

I have a shitty AMD CPU and 8gigs of ram. It takes me like 10 minutes to gen a 250 yr world. What should I upgrade to run df faster? What would you suggest? I have 200 bucks

DF seems to use a lot of CPU when making a new world, some memory too. 8 gigs is fine though and upgrading would have no difference since the game isn't 64 bit yet.

A cpu upgrade *may* help you but you'd also probably have to upgrade your motherboard.
Also you might have trouble finding a good cpu for 200.

>>146317301
>>146316973
meant for (you)

How much raw editing do you have to do to make other races properly playable in fort mode? I tried playing as elves but quickly gave up when I realized that without further editing they can't mine, cut trees, or even embark with tools to do so, so all you can do is shit outside and hunt with wooden arrows

Maybe humans or goblins would be easier

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>>146317691
>i tried playing as elves

>>146316973
4 gigs is the most RAM DF can handle, since it's a 32 bit game. As for CPU, DF isn't multithreaded so you'll want something with as much single-core power as possible - I don't know what good options there are right now.

>>146317782
It gives you deeper insight into their filthy heathen ways when you try managing them yourself

>>146316973
single threaded 32bit game plus you'd need money for a mother board = just save your money and do something else while it generates

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>forgotten beast shows up
>winged blob made of snow
>fights troll
>kills troll, but not before having wings torn off
>attacks child
>child kills it

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>>146315521

>>146317691
That's how elves live. Horrible, isn't it?

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>>146317782

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>>146311392
>but what's the point?

poast

how can I encourage worldgen to generate more roads?

>>146324101
I'm pretty sure that roads exclusively cover heavily trafficked trade routes.

You'll want lots of flourishing civs that aren't at war with each other, I guess.

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I kinda fucked up and built several 5x5 staircases on several floors. Instead of mining out the area around my 3x3 staircase. Are my dwarves going to go full retard on this or can I just leave it?

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>>146325368
Build floors around them? Remove the 3x3 in the center and make it like:

X + X + X
+ + + + +
X + X + X
+ + + + +
X + X + X

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ded fortress

>>146327290
>tfw you actually bought the book while waiting for 0.40
D-did I get memed?

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Reworked joints were a mistake.

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>>146327849
Joint damage you mean.

>>146327365
Weren't free updates promised with the book?

>>146328498
If you bought the e-book version, yes.

I'm pretty sure it was abandoned during the 0.34-0.40 wait, though.

>>146327365
yeah

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please tell me, I can capture this, right?
I'm not ready for this shit
only have tetrahedrite and that won't help me here

>>146327365
>Bought the book
>Wiki exists
>Video tutorial exists

If they had Dwarf Fort 101 at a uni I bet you'd be first in line

>>146330064
I didn't buy it to get into the game(I had already played for several years), but rather as a way of reaffirming my identity as a DF player.

>>146330023
That's a demon, it's immune to traps unless they're webbed, have fun

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>>146330271
>way of reaffirming my identity as a DF player

>>146330064
That was one of the better guides at the time it went out, if not the best, dude.

>>146330428
okay, that means seal up wing
and get a spider

what about the steam ghosts?

>>146330538
To be fair it is the closest thing you can find to an autist card.

>>146331127
That's my point. Why would you ever do that.

>>146331093
ah wait, don't tell
I got this

>>146331093
Those guys aren't shit, if you have even a mediocre militia you can probably handle them

On my last fort I breached Hell and sealed it up and while I was building walls the only demons that got in were leeches made of steam

My militia easily killed all of them and they didn't kill anyone, they couldn't bite through clothing, didn't have any other attacks, and one good hit made them explode

>>146331298
It depends on their special attack. Fire breathers and poisonous gassers can be pretty bad. Ironically deadly dust is great in those cases, as they'll friendly-fire each other to death.

>page 10

>>146336505
>page 9

>>146337657
>page 5

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The rabbit army is coming along nicely.
I'm on a pretty high quality laptop (so a economy desktop tower) how many of these things can I breed until FPS death starts happening?

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>giant skink corpse next to butcher shop
>Urist McDumbass cancels butcher animal: can't see the monstrous giant lizard corpse right beside him

>>146339794
>how many of these things can I breed until FPS death starts happening?
Depends on a whole lot of different factors.

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How do I add war animals to a squad?

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>>146340074
>Kangaroos look like they are posing for GAINS selfies all the time. I don't know why but this is more funny than it should be for me.

>>146341308
Jack is stacked.

stalker mod when

>>146344156
Once you make it

>>146344156
>stalker
>for DF
Thats a terrible idea.

>>146344156
Metro is better

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>>146341308
They're terrifying creatures. I want a kangaroo man militia someday.
Also kangaroo milk is a thing in DF for some reason. So there's that.

>>146340740
You don't. You assign them to dwarves.

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Evereye's first migrant. I'm pleased.

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>>146346545
Two great glassmakers in the first migrant wave. What are the chances?

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>>146346931
...and this guy. I've got my eye on you, Chewlabor.

>>146337926
>page 7

>>146348280
>page 3
?

>>146348396
>page 8

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For the sake of the thread and in sympathy of these summer times, heres a gem i found in the guessing a game by its ui threads

>>146350213
what is this?

>>146351250
It's a mock-up of DF's UI

>>146353440
>implying df has a ui

>>146353489
Except it does.
It's not a terribly good one, but it's there.
You dense motherfucker.

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Markdwarves take thrice the effort to get properly trained, stocked and combat effective (keeping them out of charge distance) compared to regular soldiers while being much much worse in most of situations

Their only use is strictly situational against web monsters

>>146350213
That's pretty good.

>>146354264
Yeah, crossbows and bows are weak in both adventure and dwarf mode. Dwarf mode has idiot marksdwarves who decide to club things to death instead of shooting them, while in adventure mode you can't aim a ranged attack in the slightest so you have to rely entirely on RNG to actually do anything but hit the legs. It sucks really, a highly skilled marksdwarf or adventurer with high archery skill should be super lethal.

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>>146355351
Well, the delay is what fucks with ranged in adventurer mode, you shoot, then the npcs rush over and beat you to death while you reload.

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Oh sweet jesus.

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>>146357042
Not bad.

http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/index.html#2016-06-20
>Here's another bug-fix release. Assuming no issues crop up immediately, we'll now dive into 64-bit land for next time!

But that whole "No way to repair armor" thing, thats an issue right? thats getting fixed?

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>>146310165
I suggest a small world with short history, high civilizations, high number of sites, very high number of beasts, medium savagery, frequent mineral occurence?

As for the choosing of the site maybe pic related?

We might also get rules like kill all elves/make a statue for each of your kills/bedroom for every dwarf/temple for every god/whatever?

>>146357943
No. Armour will now need to be constantly replaced.

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Guys I live in Gig Harbor. I just found out that Toady lives 30 mins away from me.

How do I live knowing a god lives in such close proximity to me?

>>146356929
The delay wouldn't even be that bad if more of the shots hit the torso or hell if you could aim the shots for general areas. Considering bolts only really seem to chip the bone and they rely heavily on piercing the fact the majority of hits, at least for me, are limb hits make them pretty weak.

>>146358718
Go end our suffering and tell him personally to stop

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>>146358373
http://pastebin.com/d5ugNCda

>>146357943
Repairing armor, as in a sheet of tempered metal you intend to keep projectiles and blades and such from getting stuck in your flesh, is going to be patchy at best, and probably easier if you just melt it down to use as scrap.

Having all armor be indestructible was kinda silly.

>>146358817
I used to get really consistent headshots with my peregrine falcon crossbowwoman. Boom, headshot, all day, maybe cause I was shooting down most of the time? Fuck letting them hit you, after all!

>>146359309
1000 mineral scarcity ? Are ye nuts lad ? Do you want us to fight those filthy elves with sticks and stones ? Not that it's bad idea, but I like my blades sharp, not blunt.

>>146359309
Yeah, usually when I play an adventurer with a crossbow I play a human character and I only really get legshots and chip the bone. The guy would then proceed to pull the embedded bolt from his leg and carry about his business.

>>146359496
There's iron ore and flux all over, 1000 is a nice mix. Too low and you start getting trouble finding certain things, too high and you get similar troubles.

Incidentally when I said patchy, I meant patchy as in "finding armorers skilled enough to do it and not sacrifice the protection of the armor will be few and far between" at least until you are shitting out legendary armorers.

>>146359517
Huh, I only played one ground-based marksman, and I snuck around and climbed trees and shit a lot, and trained up my hammer skill so I could bash people with my silver crossbow when they got close.

>>146359717
Alright, if you think it'd ok, fine by me.
So what embark will it be ?
Terrifying tropical jungle, raze every tree and wage a war against elves ?
Maybe building a megastructure / prison / maze / death game out of wood and pit wild animals and naked elves inside ?

>>146359717
Hmm, maybe height does affect your chance to hit different limbs. In any case crossbows are still pretty ineffective since you can't aim them, they're only really good on inflicting pain on units that can feel pain then finishing them off with a different weapon.

>>146358889
>how many people a week does he have come to his door only to say "Stop" then slowly turn and walk away

>>146360210
>how many people leave bins with two kittens in them at his door with a note saying "lmao"

>>146359901
Shit if I know, there's a fuckton of options in that world.

I'd say especially check out the river intersections along the western jungles, that's where I found shit like this in a similar previous world-gen: >>146357252

>>146360098
Well, if you have good material bolts.

>>146360516
I wish I could find an embark like that, a huge canyon with the fortress in the middle.

Also MDF's broadhead bolts are really fucking fun to use.

>>146360771
Oh? what makes the special bolts different?

>>146361037
they never miss and do massive damage

>>146361121
Ah, so is it basically a cheating bolt or does it just have massive bonuses to everything?

>>146359309
Okay that looks nice. If I just paste that pastebin raw in my world_gen.txt will I generate the same world as you?

>>146361239
i wasnt really him, just jerking you around.

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>>146360771
Look at any of the + looking river intersections on that world-gen I posted, they're full of them.

>>146361349
If you do the seed then it should, though you'll end up with dorfs clustered in the mountains around the edges and in the middle I think, but the landforms and evil and such are from perfect world, so yeah it should work out much the same.

Tinker with the sites number and civs number if you want more or less of either.

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>>146361349
Oh! You may want to raise the maximum elevation value too, I lowered it because I was trying something out with the glaciers, I forget what the minimum for dorf spawns is.

>>146361383
The way perfect world works out, you can paint sections of high and low drainage across each other, which produces these ridiculous waterfalls and river intersections.

>>146361037
They have less penetration but more slashing famage. Perfect for cutting off limbs.
There are also barbed bolts (never used them, but i guess they cause more bleeding) and hammerbolts, that don't puncture but crush things. Perfect for those pesky bronze colossi.

>>146361121
MDF's new version is actually much less bloated and OP than before.

>>146361383
Awesome. I'll save it for my next fort.

How do you know what direction you are facing in adventure mode?

The wiki says "Enemies behind you get a higher hit chance. You want to stay facing most of your enemies if you can, but you should never back into a corner."

>everything is (out of date)
>it'll take forever for dfhack to be compatible with the 64 bit release

time for the helium tank

Man, being able to have your joints get smashed from blocked hits from armor kinda sucks, no longer will armor save you from massive broken bones and torn ligaments. I just had a night creature take out a skilled adventurer in armor because the punches that deflected off my arms tore ligaments and made me lose my grasping abilities.

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>be elephant man adventurer
>recruit drunks and decide to slay bandits and save townsfolk
>feel heroic and proud to not be murderhobo and instead a force for good instead
>two drunks and I become companions, and defeat gang of goblins that started tailing us
>kill 3 of them by goring them in the head
>townsfolk love me
>find spooky forest while heading to some dark pits
>immediately attacked by trillions of undead emus
>one drunk pisses himself and runs off screaming
>me and other drunk fight heroically, smiting left and right
>suddenly drunk passes out from exertion
>i desperately fight my way over towards her, but its too late
>grab her body and run, fighting back tears
>manage to escape the emus
>build fire and perform funeral for slain buddy
>sadly walk off to find other, cowardly companion and berate them

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>>146363279

>walking alone through haunted forest not fun
>attacked by small group of zombie dingos
>fueled by grief and rage destroy them all
>suddenly, my cowardly companion shows up
>but something isn't right, he's flashing between his normal symbol and another symbol
>he lunges towards me, slashing with his copper pick
>dodge around and block, trying to get him to stop
>he's out for blood and doesn't stop
>decide enough is enough and take a swing
>thanks to superior elephant genes his leg is smashed
>he keeps fighting, doesnt give a shit about his wounds
>realising this is becoming dangerous, i punch him in the head
>puts him down for good
>sigh of relief, but also of sadness
>realise this forest is too fucked up for my liking, and decide to gtfo
>sprinting east to go back to the town, dodging undead and shit
>suddenly mist
>oh fuck i can't stop in time
>enveloped in a cloud of purple mist
>oh fuck, i'm dead
>realise im actually not
>oh god, i am, but im not
>im an elephant man zombie mist thrall
>im a monster
>not sure what to do, filled with grief
>wander out of forest and stumble into town
>enter the tavern
>everyone loses their minds
>a madness descends over me
>slaughter fucking everyone, man woman and child in that tavern in the most brutal way possible
>everytime someone tries to escape leap back to the door and splatter them
>everyone is dead
>what have i done

>new to game
>start fortress
>everything going well
>THE DEAD WALK! HIDE WHILE YOU STILL CAN!
>have no army
>the only weapon i have is the axe to cut trees with

i was not prepared. Should i just put everyone in the army and hope for the best? I also dont have a hospital set up. Am i fucked?

>>146363693
Go to bed Arthas, you're drunk.

>>146363751
Nah, you're fucked.
Welcome to df, enjoy your fun.

>>146363751
Wall yourself in?

>>146363998
dont think ill make it in time. Im gona set all the recent migrants as fodder while my mason builds a wall

Man, I kinda want to get back into DF but I suck at these kinds of games.
At least I've got this thread to keep me immersed.

>>146364053
it failed. new game time

>>146363751
>evil embark for first game

wew lad

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>>146363693

>flee the town in shame and despair
>wander the wilds, occasionally passing through villages and killing people
>a thought enters my twisted and diseased mind
>rid the world of both myself and as much evil as possible
>with this purpose in mind, head to those goblin pits
>nothing spooky about forest this time
>almost comforting
>pass blackened area, see remains of dwarf
>feel nothing
>finally enter the pits, cant find any goblins
>notice that deep in the pits lies a dark tower
>so be it
>struggle through twisting rocky paths, still see no goblins, but can tell they are there
>smells, voices, the occasionaly body
>but no goblins
>reach tower
>a goblin wanders out, sees me and panics
>i reach him before he escapes and end him
>but how do i go further?
>i enter, kill 3 goblins and a troll, but thats all there is
>im on the wrong side
>i exit, but the cliffs are shear around this tower
>have idea
>in a fit of rage and intense bloodlust, begin climbing the dark tower
>hand grasps the dark stone, and i effortlessly haul myself up, layer after layer
>voices inside the tower of goblins
>they are terrified, fearing me
>good
>i reach the top of the tower
>the world is at my feet
>i jump
>this could be it, will the impact end this torturous existence?
>i fly through the air, feeling for the first time in ages wonder, and exhilaration
>i land in a crunching heap
>i lie there for a moment
>i am not dead
>i stand up and inspect myself
>bruised, limping, a tusk shattered
>i wordlessly turn and head inside the fortress

>>146364292
"The dead walk" etc. is the message you get for necromancer sieges.

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>>146364292
it wasnt evil. it was calm so i dont understand why i got undead. It also happened as soon as it turned winter

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>>146361465
>>146361593
Okay it is working. I think everything is fine, but I set [END_YEAR:200] because my game became unresponsive when I tried to stop at 300 years. I also set [ELEVATION:100:400:3200:3200] because the wiki says that mountains don't spawn with a maximum elevation below 300 (and neither do rivers). I don't think it mattered a lot though.

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>>146364328

>everything i fight dies
>trolls, goblins, beak dogs
>some stand and fight
>they fall
>some flee in terror
>they fall soon after
>i ascend the stairs, picking up and discarding weapons at random
>no armour will fit me, but i do not need it
>i am in the tallest room of the fortress
>a demon greets me
>this demon is the lord of the goblins, and has been the scourge of all civilised peoples since the beginning of his reign
>i charge at him
>the fight is unequal, despite my strength
>he avoids my every blow, and tears at my flesh with ease
>i lose my foot first, but am undeterred
>he shatters my remaining tusk, and breaks my arm
>at last, my time has finally come
>he laughs, taunting and mocking me, even as he destroys me
>i am serene, and in one explosive movement, i grab him, and tear off his arm
>unholy screeching, demonic blood spurts out
>i spit at him, and tell him how at least its nor raining in here
>this is too much for the demon
>a flurry of blows, and its over
>as my consciousness slips away, i am glad
>i die for the second and final time

>>146364698
anyone else got some adventure mode stories?

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It's over senpai

>>146365812
how do you even kill these bronze statues? literally takes no damage from all the weapons

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with a workshop design like this how would you stop the miasma from butcher shop area if its underground?

>>146366115
butcher shop don't create miasma unless you leave the meat there to rot

>>146366115
Doors, mostly.

Well, that and making sure that the meat gets to the food stockpile as quickly as possible and the skins to the tanner. So maybe, I dunno, move the butcher up to where the loom is right now? I'm not entirely sure why it's where it is, to be honest. Actually, you could probably just move the entire cloth industry closer to the unprocessed plants and then flip the whole butcher/fisher area up north of the leather so it's actually beside the raw ingredients rather than needing dwarves to run through the kitchen to get them.

Maybe move the dyer and whatnot north of the quern/unprocessed plants? Or just go vertical and stick 'em all underneath - that might actually be more efficient, especially since the quern is so damn small that you could fit in a whole staircase column there.

If you're REALLY worried about miasma from the butcher, you could also build a chimney above it. That's kind of risky, though, given all the flying nasties that could find their way into the fortress that way. Maybe if you stick some weapon traps around the edges, and put a separate (and safer) maintenance tower beside it?

>>146366945
Doesn't the nervous tissue stay in the shop unless brought to a special stockpile? I'm pretty sure that generates miasma.

What's the more op race in master work atm?
I kinda suck at this game so I would love to last a little more than usual.

>>146364403
When you're choosing a site, press tab until you hit the civilizations section. If one of the listed civs is Tower, you're near a necromancer who will keep sending undead at you.

>>146364796
>say hello to first townsperson I meet
>punch them in the head and kill them
>fall asleep outside
>die to bogeymen

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When did you learn the truth about the Elf, /dfg/?

>>146367996
take it to a refuse pile then dumbass

>>146369393
i think elves are alright really, nice instruments and cloth

>>146369393
I'm not going to pretend that elves aren't backwards as fuck, but
>goblins
>not savage, brutish and oppressive

>>146364632
More info, how will the fortress be called, keep us informed

>>146369393
I think elves is a pretty cool race. Eh loves trees and doesn’t afraid of anything

>>146370981
ok thats too far

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>have a boar and 4 sows
>keep them around for years
>no piglets
>guess the male was gay or infertile
>caravans and immigrants don't come anymore, no way to get a new boar
Looks like pork's back on the menu, boys!

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Have musket interpretations been done well in mods? Should they be in the base game?

>>146374390
>muskets
Never saw the point in adding them to DF. Now, using gunpowder as a mining tool so you don't have to sacrifice a miner every time you want to tap a volcano, that would be worth including.

>>146374725
Agreed.

>>146374725
>gunpowder as a mining tool
100% for this. Would love to see mining come alive with foremen, canaries, light mechanics, explosive gases and blasting.
In favour of muskets they would be "balanced" somewhat by being an early form, not completely replacing crossbows or bows, and being hard to make.

>>146374950
Muskets had shit accuracy, misfired a lot, and were fucked over easily if the weather wasn't right so they wouldn't be too hard to balance.

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>>146374725
>using explosives to blow a hole in the side of a volcano
>when Toady is someday going to implement tectonics and volcanic eruptions
I see no possible way in which this could go horribly, horribly wrong.

>>146374725

It could be sweet, like the greater the amount of black powder there is in a barrel (would need some way to define specific barrels as to hold only black powder (TNT barrel?), as to prevent waste of unrelated items and/or misfire and/or mishandling) the greater the area covered by the blast, with the z-level where the TNT was set has the greatest damaged area while z-levels both above and below has gradually reduced blast areas up until it is reduced to a singular square, making the whole thing look like a diamond, thus freeing the entire area of both floor and wall blocks. TNT barrels could be placed on the ground like some furniture's and be activated with a lever from afar, insuring the safety of your dwarves, unless there is a misfire and you have to send one of your dwarves set the wires again (hoping it doesn't explode in his face)

y/n?

>>146375543
>like a diamond
Otherwise it sounds about right.

>>146374950
It took pretty damn long before muskets replaced bows and crossbows, I'm pretty sure.

I think it'll have to be a mod, though - I'm pretty sure Toady has talked about how he wants to stick to a gunless 14th-century-esque fantasy world. Then again, maybe it'll be in as an adjustable thing, like magic in the myth generator.

>horses at embark zone
>dog already has his head caved in

>>146375615

Sorry, rhombus would be the correct way to say it I suppose, English ain't my first language so I tried to translate ''losange'' and the first thing it gave me was the word ''diamond'' so I supposed it was the correct translation.

>>146375436
>Earthquake sets off your gunpowder stash
>cave-ins, starvation and madness run rampant
It'd be great

>>146375643
I agree.

However, now that we have armour damage, it would be cool to strategically us guns for more heavily armoured enemies.

>>146375881
>magma leak/fire imp/firebreathing forgotten beast reaches your gunpowder stash
>entire fort blown to smithereens
>if you reclaim it, it's just a big hole in the ground

>>146376072
Bulletproof was a word for a reason, y'know.

Now cannons, on the other hand...

>>146375643

Why not simply fill the bottom of a blast-resistant material hole in the ground, fill it with corpses/carcass/miscellaneous items then send it all to kingdom come during an invasion , like some kind of primitive mortar ? Pretty sure a sudden rain of blood & guts would be a fun way to stop an invasion AND it could actually kill a couples of them due to all the chunks falling down on them ( to be honest I know very little of the fighting mechanism in DF, but seeing how you can throw body parts/others sentient being I suppose it could work)

>>146375881
I was thinking more
>explosion sets off volcanic eruption and/or earthquake

>>146376536
Man, just use a catapult.

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>embark not too far from goblin civ
>strangely, only have dwarves and humans listed as neighbors
>set up defensive traps anyways
>after a while, immigrants and dwarven caravans stop showing up
>can't be because my home civ went extinct, as they've recently gone to war against the humans
>said war means that now I get no caravans at all
>never seen a single goblin in all these years

>>146376536
As it stands, the sight of a shit ton of corpses does nothing to scare away siegers, and even when Toady does decide to implement that it'll be much easy to get the same effect by placing your goblin corpse stockpile outside where invaders will see it. Though, that might have the problem of scaring away immigrants and/or merchants.

>>146376394
I think It will logically be implemented about as the same time as boats, mainly to defend yourself from pirates or crackens or water demons that cause scurvy
So yeah, gunpowder will most than probably be added, I can see it being added with the implementation of being able to produce fire, in both modes
´s gonna be !!FUN!!

>>146375543
>TNT placed as traps
>can further add metal shrapnel to the barrels
>few blast-resistant stones

that'd make a great entry hall if you have the materials

how is gunpowder/black powder made already? charcoal dust, saltpeter and something else?

>>146377464
Oh god, I was just thinking
When the war/diplomacy gets done, enemy civs could try to offer negotiations and returning their warrior corpses could be used to that end.
Am I being crazy? it makes sense right?
And they would probably get mad too if you return them a couple of bone thrones with a note that says:
´´Sorry the third one is broken, Urist Mcburger is very fat´´

>>146378176
eh, It will be made with charcoal, saltpetre(or rocks that contain it), and sulphur(idem).
As most of that are not always found, it is realistic to depend on merchants and provisions to arm yourself, instead of being able to produce every fucking thing yourself, which doesnt make sense

Treeless maps are the most tedious bullshit if you aren't guaranteed coal.

>>146378924
>not digging to the caverns and using armoks own blood for fuel

>>146378381
it'd be nice to be able to use sentients in crating/cooking, with downsides like disturbed dwarves and madness

>>146379046
>turtling up for years to get a half-decent military when you only have one set of armor

It's fucking boring.

>>146379046
>>146379324
>not embarking on a volcano

>>146379303
Hmm, that seems like a good idea.
Im waiting for more mental and soul stuff to be added for dwarves, specially the stress stuff. Its really cathartic to be able to continually menatlly torture a dwarf until you can see he has changed to an empty walking carcass.
The ´´nothing affects him anymore´´ thing is cool, but for now, it doesnt affect much(if thats wrong, please correct me) It would be cool if certain actions, like for example what you say, cooking sentients, could be made by people which no longer can be perturbed. I would add spies, torturesrs, etc. to this list. what do you all think?

>>146379303
>totem of [named character]'s skull that you can place to intimidate the members of his race
yes, please

>>146379303
>>146379620
>>146379770
can we please confirm adventurer role as personal torturer of the king, with a new interface showing what physical and mentally scarring stuff you can do to the prisioner, albeit two bars showing the stress able to stand, and the will the have?

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>>146379919

> the stress able to stand, and the will the have?

>>146380198
Never tortured somebody?
Some people will try to stand more than they can, and will break down, which isnt always good to you.
The finest part of the torture is to scare someone enough to actually not need to do anything to him.

What would you put In a torturer interface then, you donut?

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>>146380458
>Never tortured somebody?

>>146380458
Are backless chairs the best method of torturing someone?

>>146380458
>never tortured somebody
Im glad to know the people from /dfg/ are true dwarfs

>>146378381
Could be relevant when fighting humans, other dwarves or perhaps even elves. However, our main foe is the goblin menace wouldn't care about that sort of thing.

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>>146380458
>never tortured somebody?
W E W lad
E
W

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>>146379303
>>146379620
>>146379770
>>146379919

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>fort dies to FPS Death

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>>146380458
>Never tortured somebody?
t. ISIS

>>146381009
eh, Toady keeps saying that 1450 is the ´´age´´ when DF is set on, this type off stuff weren´t that weird then
>>146380890
Ye, those fuckers would even pay to be there...hmm, sounds like a business

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>>146380458
>Never tortured somebody?
No, because people don't consider talking to me torture.

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>>146370707
I think we need to agree on some things before we embark, like:
What biome?
What do we take on the embark?
Do we have any rules, like >>146309346 and >>146291889 mentioned for example?

>>146359309
How do you get such a high res map?

>>146381303
Well, we are aiming for it to be !!Fun!!, right, how much do you want, personally I would send the dwsrves to a evil glacier volcano, but the lack of wood is bothering.
As>>146291889 said, why dont we just roll until we decide the rules to play.
On the other stuff, buy two cats, obviously, and the rest decide yourself

>>146379303
>>146379620
>use sentients in cooking
what the fuck who let the elves into the thread

>>146381647
>being a hippie
I think you're the elf here.

>>146381781
>he doesn't know what the elves do with sentients

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>>146381781
>being this ignorant of the DF lore

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>war dog and 2 puppies found dead right in my meeting hall
>nothing in the combat logs
What the fuck happened?

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>>146381971
>tfw kobolds are the best race of the game

>>146382378
Vampire fleas. Purge the fort.

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>>146381514
Yes I don't think I can live without wooden beds. I did find one place where there was a terrifying glacier, a volcano, mountains, and some woodland, but there are only deep metals and very deep soil. Do you need to embark on the volcano to profit from it? Or does it just need to be near?

Also rolling.

>>146382665
how about we just bring a shitload of wood and charcoal and then buy the rest we need from the merchants, dismantling the wagon already gives you enough wood to start.
I mean, we got 1500 points, how much could wood cost.
btw, how do you get that kind of pictures?
Also rollan

>>146381971
>DF
>lore

are we playing the same game ?

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>>146382995
Yeah I guess that's good idea. I mean we only need wood for beds, barrels, and bins, maybe some charcoal.

You can go to legends mode, and then press "d", and then you can export a number of different maps. Then you just need to convert from .bmp to something else.

>>146374950

Eh, guns sorta go past the "ideal fantasy" technological restrictions IMO.

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>>146291334
>years pass
>the crundles still keep coming

WHY

AREN'T

YOU

EXTINCT

YET

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>>146382995
Wood is 3 points per log. We start with 400 points to spend, but I don't think we need 2 battle axes or a wooden stepladder, so if we don't take those we have an extra 186 points to spend on wood.

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>>146383774
yeah, but, what about cannons.
Chinese had gunpowder powered arrow-machine guns before that time. It makes sense to think they could use gunpowder for other tasks before using it as a gun

>>146384084
leave 1 battle axe, how much do we have to spend now? did you already pick the two cat, male and female?
Also, you are gonna be the first person to claim the fort, right?
>>146383886
Because we still dont have powerful mages that can sacrifice whole races to get their god of death grant them almost-unlimited power

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>>146384605
A battle axe is 68, a stepladder is 50, so that's 118+400=518 points.
Yeah I guess I will be the first.

Also we need to decide on a name and maybe a symbol?

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>>146384605
Oh and a cat costs 11 so it is 496 then.

>>146384401

I don't think gunpowder should really exist.

>>146385198
elaborate

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>>146364632
Got a nice mix of civs and open areas of interest there, and gobs all day long, better than I expected.

>>146381303
Higher res tileset(>>146287028), and the different spots on there will be crazy no matter what. You've got flat volcanos littering the evil glaciers, you've got little patches of serene and haunted rivers, and neighbors for fun everywhere. dealer's choice?

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>shit tons of bones lying around
>caravans don't come any more, so no point in making crafts
>armor and bolts made from bones are shit and I already have a smelter going
>there's nothing that useful I can do with bones, but I gotta clean out the butchers shop somehow
At least there's instruments.

>>146385553
>>146381514
Oh, and about this>>146384848
I think that an elf crying while being beaten by dwarves would be a great greeting banner for the elven merchants

>>146385329

In the game it's too technologically advanced, and brings things into a too modern setting, etc.

Like cannons and muskets, I know they coincided with later medieval times and such, but when I think cannons and muskets I think the Napoleonic wars, American Civil War, etc. Not hordes of orcs and humans clashing on a bloody plain, glinting with gore and steel.

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>>146385553
I see thanks. The map is very nice indeed. I don't know what you mean with dealer's choice.

>>146385932
I agree, what about this? I don't know if mutilated is a good word.

>>146386608
Look at it this way.
DF is oriented in a low-high fantasy world that its at the same time oriented in our medieval times, up to 1500, we have ballistas, catapults, steel and we will have various and very different forms of magic in the short future.
Its not about some guerrilla wars where a couple of dwarves and elfs fight in between a small river. When we get to the whole military/diplomacy part, we will be able to see enormous armys wandering in the world to kill eachother. They would use everything they have at their dispossal to do so.
Doesnt it make sense that they would use some sort of rudimentary canon(some more potent than a ballista, but harder to move and control) and maybe some booby traps to battle eachother?
Also, light explosives in a world such us DF, wouldnt it be amazing?
>>146386957
Im kinda tempted to change the laughing for something more serious, as if they were just doing something natural and logic for them, like killing roaches

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>>146386957
You did the gen, look at a few spots with the elevation map, in particular check out those river intersections I mentioned, look along the major rivers in these ovals for intersections, there are a few spots where four rivers come together, those will have amazing waterfalls.

>>146381009
nice i hadnt seen that one before

>>146382481
Nothing new there, kobolds are, in all things, supreme.

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>>146388456
No idea if there are good metals there, but this spot right here looks enticing as fuck.

Two towers, human metropolis, goblins and elves nearby, dorfs nearby.

>>146389249
Fuck, it really is a good place, good sight.
I feel like this is where the fortress is gonna be.
But how shall we name it?

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>>146387556

I see what you're saying about the scale but I think it could be done well without gunpowder. Like it would really change the setting from the sort of 1200s Europe thing it is now to horses screaming as they flay themselves apart on bayonets smoke-blind and cannonballs pound flesh into the the smoking earth.

>>146383673
I'm pretty sure the values come from the raws so, unless you mod it you'll get that

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>>146389993
How's it look in embark screen?

I found others that look neat, like up north of the glacier just to the southwest of the evil desert there should be something like this out in the middle of what looks like desert.

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>>146390595
Sorry, southeast of the evil desert, hard to keep track of where I'm at on the adventurer map (the geography won't be exactly the same but it should be similar) from here.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=158930.0

>>146391093
NEAT

>>146391093
>a new utility that will soon be (out of date)

>>146389993
>good sight

Hah, there's three towers, one to the east of it which I missed.

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>>146388456
Okay I see what you mean. I found four places (so far) where four rivers more or less meet, and one place where it looks as if three rivers start.

>>146389249
That particular spot has two places where three rivers meet. Both have clay, very deep soil, deep metals and shallow metal. One also has an aquifer and a flux stone layer and is temperate and heavily forested, the other is cold and woodland. Neighbours are dwarves, goblins, humans, elves, and a tower. There is one dwarven civilization at war with the goblins.

There are a lot of other places with three rivers meeting.

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>>146392672
Yeah, though the war one does look pretty nice, but yeah, it's like a candystore full of horrors when you look at it closely huh. :D

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>>146392672
I don't know how I missed this one with four rivers.

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>>146389249
>>146389993
>>146390595
This is the embark screen for me.

>>146392921
Yep. It has some nice elevation too.

>>146390457
Thought I agree, Looking at, for example, how,alchimist or mages will have some sort of wizard tower mode where they can discover new kind of magics and substances by mixing stuff, how would you see the fact that someone discover a highly volatile mixture that can be used militarly by the player, and your herborist makes some booby-traps with it?
Would it bother the aspect of coherence the game has from that point of view?

>>146393051
>>146393332
Where are the rest of the anons at, yo.

>>146393332
It would be interesting to get past an aquifer by just building down into the canyon and then digging in below it.

>>146393645
Sorry, I was looking at a good entrevist of tarn and zack, Im back
>>146393332
>>146392921
>>146392672
looks good, but I would incline to>>146393051
the top left one, of the 2 positions on the river, the closer to the evil region.IMO

>>146393627

It's difficult to say, but I'd say maybe it'd be best to be kept on the magic rather than alchemical side of things. Although I'm sleepy so goodnight!

>>146393980
Yeah, those rivers over there have nice canyons too, that's up where I found that "Wow" canyon in an earlier world.

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>>146387556
That would be nice but I can't find a good way to express that.

>>146393895
I think that might be possible. The aquifer is only on the left half, according to the embark screen, and the elevation looks like pic related.

>>146389993
We need a name for the Fort itself , a name for our Group, and a name for our symbol (laughing dwarves mutilating a screaming elf, I called it "The Joy of Torture", but maybe someone else wants something else).

>>146394253
So, there we go? thats the place?
>>146394238
I can respect that, good night m8.
>>146394503
No problem, mutilating does sound good.
And, for the name, yes, i would want something else, A little more badass, like, the guarded gate, the green guts, the fierce force of slaughterness, the golden halls.
I could be going all day, choose one