/dsg/ - Souls General

Nth for pyromancer a best class.

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xth for comfy vase

>>146278132
Nobody in this thread even saw these guys, they all "coincidentally" picked master key and "stumbled across" the skip

>>146278308
to be honest, I want to forget

>>146278132
I wanna be as comfy as that ugly son of a bitch is.

>>146278308
You don't even need the key for the shortcut it just takes a little longer

>>146278308
i picked life ring my first run through since the description was wrong and implied a regenerating effect.
But fuck those guys and the toaster terriers

>rerolled from 40/40 pyro to 60 int sorcerer

this shit is broken

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You will never be this good at pvp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuOMglwFt3w

>>146277681
Any of you good enough to parry a charged 2h R2?

>>146278308
>picked master key and still ended up in there
WITH CURSE

also unless you leave after getting the ember, you're stuck with a +5 weapon for the entirety of blighttown, and those mobs hit hard with a lot of hp

>>146278890
If I expect it, but that could be said for anything. On reaction it's impossible, human reaction time at best is like 10 frames at 60 fps, and that's really just for auditory cues.

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>>146278449
>DS1 life ring description
i'm still mad about it

>>146278308
i got master key but i didnt know about the skips
because i played thief
havel the rock is a really tough guy

>>146278308
>tfw picked master key and didn't end up skipping blighttown

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>>146277992
>tail tfw

>>146278884
the power....... of...... playing versus........ incompetent......... players.......

>opponent in duel using a washing pole
>pull out black knight shield

Never gets old.

>>146279089
>ds2 old knight armor description

>>146278884
the tracking on that jump attack is hillarious

>>146279260
I'm pretty sure a llewlyn is enough to block it still, I used to block the running attack and parry the next swing a lot

>>146279260
>everyone always complains about a weapon that gets literally hard-countered by shields

kek

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How is it ?
https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/46592

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xth for ANGRY NOOT

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What's your favorite NPC in souls series ?
mine is Creighton

>>146279276
I still don't get what does it refer to. There was a rumour that Old Knight equipment has a 5% chance to do a sun ring-like explosion when breaking, was it disproven?

>>146278884
smuph's hammer is really underrated for invasions

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>>146279917
Benhart or bust

>>146279676
EZ frag. I can 1shot u lmao

>>146279676
Guys ?

do you need kalameet's tail for the knight's honor cheevo on PC?

I'M GONNA DO IT
I'M GONNA USE WOLF RING+2

>invade at chapel
>host left every door locked aside from the very last shortcut to bonfire, even main door to chapel bonfire door locked
>seed has been active
>run/fight through hordes of enemies
>finally get to the bitch
>get instagibbed by hosts phantoms

Thanks Miyazaki

>>146279676

its fucking awful

but you can expect to do well with most cosplays

>>146280086
I have my shield

>>146280246
Okay.

>>146280350

>not bcing as soon as you see the seed icon

>>146280246
OH GOD HE'S GONNA DO IT
DON'T DO IT

>>146280595
I'M GONNA DO IT
DON'T TRY TO STOP ME

http://pastebin.com/jqKQj426

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Pretty bee-

>>146278132
I don't remember these guys even though I didn't skip blight town.

>>146278664
Have you tried 40 faith or so and 50 int for dark magic, pyros, and sorcery?

>>146280810
There was one, and he only attacks you if you break his barrel, so you might have just missed him entirely.

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>>146280754

>Just killed Sif
Damn, that was sad

>>146279202
And the truth is that all "cool" "look at me, i backstab focking noobs" videos are just compilations of those fights with incompetent players.
All of those vids are.

>>146279060
Dude, I'd like to see a webm of anyone managing to parry a fully charged 2handed R2.

Stop implying you're God like

>>146278132
>He still stayed still even if you clearly saw him
Dedicated

>>146279917
Firekeeper

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>>146279190

>>146280657
DON'T DO IT
YOU'RE GONNA DOOM US ALL

>>146281475
I'VE ALREADY DONE IT
THE AGE OF POISE APPROACHES

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so i've managed to force 3 people so far to disconnect at pontiffs by being a passive 60 int tinder user with farron dart and great soul arrow
each time they try to get in they eat a glaive combo for like 700 hp and outside of range they are getting endlessly kited by darts for 120 damage per hit, shit is hilarious

>>146281614
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooo
Dark Souls 3.2: Return of the Poisestabs

>>146280983
It's even sadder if you fight Sif after completing the DLC. There's an alternate cutscene.

>>146281754
How can sif be dead if he's alive in dark souls 3?

Anyone know if +5 unique weapons can be dropped in a world with max +6 normal weapons?

>>146281952
Sif isn't alive in DS3.

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>fighting on Archdragon Peak

>doing the trial thing with a gold and Hawkwood

>invader '>implying' invades

>half health, no estus, no ashen, no FP

>gold is my only hope of survival

>he gets parried and one shot

>I'm curled up behind a pillar

>he slow walks

>show him I'm out of everything

>'I'm sorry'

>choose to jump off the cliff

>he's beckoning me back before I do

I've never felt so defeated.

>>146281952
Wibbly wobbly time etc etc. Personally I don't think it's him.

>>146278915
>you're stuck with a +5 weapon for the entirety of blighttown

is this unreasonable

is blight town really that hard for people

>>146277992
>friend builds kind faggot around straight dex

>>146282274
Spider tits has an insane hp pool
You're also poisoned for the fight without moss

>>146282207
I would love invading there except 99% of your invasions are just a host already crossing the boss fog as you load in, or a 4-man squad loitering around the bonfire with absolutely no intention of going near enemies.

>>146282546
You can get there without getting poisoned, you just have to chose your path and wait between islands.

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Ayy this faggot Zao running around in the townshit with frozen stamina value and can't even poke hard enough to save his life.

Isn't ledditdog supposed to detect this or is that a meme? How else are you gonna do 11 two handed pokes with a demon spear when 6 is the max with fap.

>>146278308
>play ds1 first time 5 years after release
>friend suggests master key
>well ok
>don't know shit around the world
>end up in some places that friend says there were bypasses
>I mean fuck it first play through
>use shortcuts on ng+

suffering desu

>>146278884
but anon I kill incompetent dipshits every day

>>146282627
>township pvp
Cancer

Anyone on ps4 willing to help me transfer up an unupgraded sword? Pass is hippo area is archives bonfire.

>>146282585
I was invaded waiting at the fog door, with two summons (I can solo the King, I just like jolly cooperation) he walks up and just stares ut us, then, right in front of him, my third summon materialises.

We all just stood, looked at each other and then we jumped into the clouds while he stood there looking on.

It was a moment.

>>146282274
The enemies have HP pools assuming you'd have a higher than +5 weapon.
Killing singular enemies usually takes more than an entire stamina pool at +5 and Blighttown is nothing but constant streams of 2, 3, or 6 enemies at a time with no space to split them up or kite them. It's literally the same kind of design people rag on DaS2 for, but here it is in all its glory, totally okay because Miyazaki's name is attached.

Most people just end up sprinting through Blighttown or skipping it because there's no reason not to. Backstabbing a club fatty 4-5 times just to kill it gets tedious after a while.

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>Ganking where the silver archers are
>Invader parries me
>Panicrolls backwards
>Down the cliff
I swear the screams of his character were in perfect synch with his actual screams irl.

>>146281681
Can you upload webms of Tinder abuse? I', pretty sure I've seen literally 5 Tinder players since I started playing.

>>146282627
it's always the spear users that cheat their stamina
i once met a hacker on PS3 who did an ornstein cosplay but had infinite stamina, when i parried and riposted he also had infinite health on
i just ejected disc at that point

>>146282815
Cancer.

>>146282627
>Sl125 meta
>Townshit fishing contests
>poisestabbing

Thank goodness das3 is the superior game.

>>146282210
>him

>>146282927
What's the matter anon, dislike the fact that people enjoy the game and relate their stories rather than be an anti-social asshole?

How the fuck do I into 4 Kangz? I beat the first two no problem but then the thrird and fourth come for my ass at the same time and I lose all of my spaghetti. This boss arena is also disorienting as fuck.

>>146282843
>Ganking
why

>>146282868
>i once met a hacker on PS3 who did an ornstein cosplay but had infinite stamina, when i parried and riposted he also had infinite health on
>ps3
>hacker

What? How? Unless they edited their health/stamina values to be ridiculously high, where I don't know how high one even could edit it.

>>146283076
I dislike the fact that the game is saturated with people who stand around with three phantoms, and you're one of those people at fault.

>+10 hollow CGCS

not fucking bad. You'll probably kill someone outright before you bleed them but Im glad I gave this sword a shot

>>146283130
Full stone, havels, or giants

Power within, bellowing dragoncrest, great combustion. 2 handed

Pretend it's dark souls 3 pvp and just chug in their face whenever you get hit since they can't punish it

Get within arms reach of them and their attacks do almost no damage

>>146283130
Ideally you have to kill each King before the next one spawns.

Ultimately you just gotta go hard and fast.

Also, fuck any build you have going and wear armour and use weapons that give you an advantage.

>>146283130
Easiest way is wearing Havel's armor, tank everything and heal when low. If you don't want to do that get a high DPS weapon, git gud and dodge

>>146283234
>CGCS
Capitalism's Great Carnal Shit?

>>146283130

Power within makes it easier, so you can kill them before more of them spawn.

>>146283181

Grown out of the muh honorablu duelu phase in Dark Souls 2 already
And since no major improvements were made to PvP I see no reason to start again

I can't believe I paid for this fucking piece of shit, AND the fucking DLCs
I should've known better
I got fucking jewed

>>146283234
it has the second lowest damage of all curved greatswords tho

>>146283226
I was waiting for people to summon in, not much I can do other than stand around and wait with the people who had already been summoned.

Blame From for giving people with multiple summons huge invasion priority.

>>146283226
>people need help with boss
>they summon x amount of phantoms
>wait for them to load in
>ass ravaged anon invades
>they go through the fog wall because theyre just trying to fight the boss
>Y-Y-YOUR WHATS WRONG WITH THE GAME
>JUST FUCKING ST-ST-STANDNG THERE WITH ALL YOUR PHANTOMS
>W-W-WHY WONT YOU PLAY THE GAME LIKE I WANT YOU TOOOOOOO

christ its like you openly want to be ridiculed

>>146283205

There are about as much cheaters on PS3 DaS than PC DaS. At least on PS3 you can block them. There's a way to get infinite stamina with save editing somehow.

>>146283205
i assume some USB trickery of sorts
he was jap too so that adds to the mystery

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>>146282843
ganking is fun

>>146283520
But it's the lightest and has the lowest per-swing stamina cost.
It's also the best one to hollow-infuse.

The only thing that's really damning to it is the goddamn WA being complete trash. The followup whiffs at pointblank range, whiffs if the target is anywhere but directly in front of you and takes nearly as much stamina as a goddamn UGS stomp followup while doing less damage than a pair of R1s. Now that the R1->WA combo is kill it's almost completely useless. The fucking thing doesn't even have hyperarmor.

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>thorn armour hurts through quickstep
fucking why?

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>>146283549
>people need help with the boss

Being both bad and completely unable to adapt isn't excusable or an argument. You should never beed more than one phantom.

>>146283403
Carny Giggalo Cock Sling

>>146283520
I know but aesthetics play a big part and AR doesnt matter to me as much. I'll just have to hit them one more time

I want to like the exile but, and this is just me, its so goddam ugly

>>146283686

It really is. I pretty much just start the game up to do this for an hour and am done for the day.

>>146282627
>don't expect this tool to detect things that are not being sent over the wire to begin with

It's likely his current (not max) stamina was frozen in CE, which I think doesn't get sent. The stamina still gets spent but instantly resets back to the frozen and max value. I could be wrong though.

>>146283686
I want to make a bunch of pure caster gank builds

>>146283686
There really is no better feeling than taking down a 4-man squad solo.
You can almost feel the futile nerd rage as they desperately try to justify how they managed to lose 4v1 and all that ego stroking just turned completely on its head.

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>>146283773
>People shouldn't play with other people because I'm butthurt.

What is the Dark Souls 3 SL meta right now?

>>146284070
50
80
100

>>146284070

125

>>146284070
100 and 120

120 is the proper meta, but 100 has plenty of stuff going on.

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Hey, dudes. Anyone have a Darkmoon Ring they wouldn't mind dropping for me? I can give you this unupgraded Demon Greataxe. You can always just reload your save. I'd really appreciate the help.

High Wall of Lothric Bonfire
Password: dsgtrade
PC

>>146284070
120 is where the meta crowd are at but anything from 80-125 will get you plenty of invasions

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>>146283974
Casters in ganks are hilarious.
Poor invaders.

>>146284038
You can't seriously think running around with three phantoms is anything short of toggling godmode.

>>146284190
99 or 50+5 for invasions

If ur a real king you'll go sl1+1

>>146283773
While I agree that one npc summon should be more than enough help for any boss, not everyone shares the mindset of a LEET NEET 4chin autist when it comes to a video game. Dark souls is much more popular with a larger crowd now and for a lot of players it is their first souls game. They legitimately need the help to compensate for their lack of experience or competence

adapt with the times or fuck off to a game you can actually enjoy

>>146281681
Yeah nah, tinder takes like thrice the stamina of normal staffs for fast spells.

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>dks

Would a sl1 pvp be fun? It d be a real pain to get all that stuff at such a low level without being able to upgrade your weapons, but it could be fun. Is +2 the highest you can go and still invade +0?

>>146283263
>>146283359
>>146283368
>>146283460
Finally got them, standing in their face and just chugging made it a lot easier. The only hard part remained to be the big aoe shit and the grab which made me lose a lot of time. Thanks lads! How are you supposed to dodge the AoE?

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if your flask is at +10 is there ever a point where the ashen estus ring would be required to restore missing mana?

Ayyy lmao anyone want to bro-op with my new char? And by bro-op I mean carry me through the game bc I don't feel like playing but I want to level this guy up

>>146284528
kirk's set, bloodring, milkring
roll them to death

>>146284312
>YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE FUN WITH FRIENDS

>DARK SOULS IS FOR EDGY LONERS

All I'm reading right now, anon

I want to do a demon's fist centric playthrough
How fucking depressed will I be?

>>146284545
You have to run away and be fast rolling, i generally block that AoE with crest shield since it has 80% magic def

>>146284604
sure lemme boot up my ouya

>>146284634
You'll get bored 1 hour in

Any news about the DLCs, will they be as shit as the main game?

>>146284571
you'd need like 50 att

>>146284604
would but I'm at work. Sorry champ

>>146284617
might want to add a dagger for quickstep (idk if bloodring actuallly affects quickstep tho)

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>>146284634
in pve that thing rapes shit, 445 ar on fast spammy weapon ain't a joke even if it's split
in pvp you're fucked so better get a str backup

>>146284634

Just finished my demon fist run.

It was as if a demon were fisting me the entire time.

>>146284724
so beyond the point any sane human would stop
what's the exact number of mana the ashen restores? same as regular?

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>>146284545
>How are you supposed to dodge the AoE

Fast roll backwards 3 times.
Try blocking.
Or just ignore the AoE damage somehow, webm related. No one knows yet how it works though.

>>146282627
>Isn't ledditdog supposed to detect this or is that a meme?

It can detect illegal SL or stats, and modifications to equipment and spells. Locked stamina can get past it.

>>146284772
Iirc it Used to but it doesn't anymore (which sucks because it Used to give you 24 iframes)

>>146284604
>get a someone to mule high value soul stack to your new char
>instant gratification

now you can carry yourself through post haste

>>146284312
Whatever you say, Billy-no-mates.

Oh, and bosses are often harder with 2 or more phantoms.

>>146284070
between 80 (NG endgame and upward invasion limit) and 120 (twitch/reddit duel range).
Invading beyond 80 will get you other invaders, ganksquads and pvp builds rushing through NG+ (99% of the time, with a full pvp-build phantom escort) and is not recommended.

120 is where you'll find all the tryhards from twitch than fancy themselves pvp "experts" and competitive dark souls pros. If you liked the arena in DaS2, 120 is where you'll want to be to duel. 80 and 100 gets no shortage of duelist activity but none of the e-celebs duel at that range so if that matters to you, well there you go.

>come into the cage and become nana's shade
So who's this nana? The leader of the absolute madmen?

>>146284853
>24 iframes
Jesus, DWGR gave you 14

>>146284995
Nana is blimey-wimey half past a bong for grandmother.
Grandma disappeared, so her grandson carries a cage. Climb into the cage and disappear like grandma.

>>146284710
Pass will be dsg on PC, cathedral bonfire, just have to run through doggo crossbow gank squad real qwik.

>>146284864
Alternitively if someone wants to do this I'd be ok

>fight speedhacker
>he accidently runs off a ledge and dies
>he invades again
>can't even beat me when he's twice as fast
>backstab him, he runs off
>start taking damage out of nowhere
>alt+f4
great game miyazaki

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>>146284445
Let's not get into baseless ad-hominem now. My opinions are of a man who is fit, married, neurotypical and fully employed.

I get that the games are more popular, but the 3 phantom every boss mentality is completely cancerous and you know it. The game just isn't balanced around handling that many dark swords at a time. I've adapted just fine, I have no problems getting my pvp covenant rewards because dickass tactics like the obscuring ring can circumvent gank squads. But seriously, you can't possibly think that this is a healthy state for the majority of game's population to exist in. It's a shit cycle because these people who go through the whole game with three phantoms will never ever learn how to play any other way.

>>146284445
I should also point out that I've soloed the King twice in the past, I'm just summoning to add some spice to the experience. Maybe help some people get their online items.

>>146284545
>How are you supposed to dodge the AoE?
I don't think I ever have.

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>used to used shield poking as a way for punishing people who did nothing but running attacks in every other game that allowed it
>in das3 you take pretty much the same ammount of damage that you would take if you hadn't had your shield up at all for no fucking reason
Why is an entire move that spears and thrusting swords have over others now completely worthless. No really, you already took a huge amount of stamina when you did why do you now somehow take damage from it.

it's been a while since I've been here
what happened to the 4skin poster? finally killed himself?

>>146284901
The health buff does not balance the boss for that many phantoms at all and you know it. Especially where targeting is concerned.

>>146285201
Hey noob stick, I've run through all four Souls games solo, usually get one character to like NG+5 and I'm currently winning a fair number of duels in PvP.

But sometimes - and I know this is difficult for you to understand - it's fun to play with other people just for the sake of it.

>>146284827
i've never seen that
can you do that AoE thing consistently?

>>146285462
It's only harder for the phantoms who are actually good at the game,I hate when hosts summon two other phantoms because now it means we all deal terrible damage while the host often runs to another corner of the arena just to watch it all. Honestly if it were up to me you would only be able to summon one phantom normally and two by using a dried finger, it's unbearable with three phantoms.

>>146285616
That's not difficult to understand at all, Mr. Defensive. I'm no elitest and don't think if myself as exceptional. I don't care how good the player in question is. But not making any effort to improve is how shitty people stay shitty forever. In dark souls and in any other context.

>>146285462
The boss also gets a damage buff. The added difficulty however often comes with the fact that you don't always know who the boss is focusing on or when they've switched focus. Also, you'll sometimes find that attacks that are easy to avoid when solo have wider arcs than you'd expect, meaning you'll get hit even when behind a boss.

Not all bosses are like this. Bort gets raped, the Decons because a cake-walk (although it's fun clearing them out as fast as they spawn) but some bosses, like the Old Demon King, Nameless King and even the Dancer all become a bit harder the more phantoms you add.

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R8 my edgy STR/Luck dude.
Just killed Abyss Gankers, and about to take on the Cathedral of the Deep.
I think I might want to do a poison infused Straight Sword as a secondary wep, which SS would be best? Longsword?

>>146285201
My opinions are irrelevant. If people want to play the game with 2 or 3 friends summoned the whole fucking way through then that is their decision.

Do I think that cheapens the experience? Yes. Does it breed a lazier and less competent player? Certainly. However, at the end of the day they're having fun. Thats just how they want to play and it would be ridiculous to say "don't you know you're doing it wrong? wipe those smiles off your faces, shitters, and solo all the bosses".

People are gonna gank, and they're gonna get full squads for boss fights. Fucked if I'll let it bother me though

>>146285762
You're exaggerating.
Something like Dragonslayer Armour with 3 phantoms still dies in fewer hits than he does on NG+ solo, and any boss that's vulnerable to status effects doesn't have their resistance increased or the damage mitigated. You can just rouge your weapon against those and the boss dies in seconds.

>>146285762
That's when you black crystal out.

>>146285974
dark sword but don't bother poison is garb

>>146285231
share the souls man. NK is a fun fight after you face fuck the dragon and souls for helping someone who mightve been having a tough time is just icing on the cake

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>>146285748

I don't really know what to try, no idea what causes it. I would have thought it was a one time glitch if it didn't happen to me again.

I made a compilation of me fighting the Dancer on my level 12 bleed build, it took me two days to beat her but I finally did it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNgrq0-rwYs

What the hell is the twinkling/scale weapon upgrade equivalent to +5 so I don't fuck up my weapon memory? I'm assuming it's either +2 or 3 but I don't wanna fuck up.

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>>146244930
>nameless king

>>146279152
not many of us who did that
blighttown was kinda fun apart from the toxic dart fuckos

>>146286338

There is no +5 equivalent. 1special upgrade is equal to 2 regular upgrades, so it's +1/+2, +2/+4, +3/+6, +4/+8 and +5/+10.

god that was painful to watch until i unmuted my sound

Breddy gud though I enjoyed it

>>146286715
Ugh, guess I'll leave them at +2 then. Thanks.

>>146286681
>tfw picked master key and had no idea a shortcut existed

>found shortcut on first playthrough

>'Oh man those two big guys look nasty, I'm not ready yet'

>go through the long way

>>146286240
This is a good video, I enjoyed it.

>>146286756
>>146286240
fuck

>>146280350
Im not big on black crystaling unless the guy is hiding in an enormous zone but fuck seeds im not clearing shit in your fucking world

>>146284827
roll backwards 3 times

>>146284772
>>146284853
it didn't

>>146286131
If you're running the dsfix fps unlock it's most definitely a minor issue with hit registration stemming from that. But if not, no idea.

>>146286131
it seems that you were in a similar position in both cases
there might be a sweet spot there for some reason - that would be amazing

i wish i had the game, i would test it right now

>>146286240
that's pretty good

Anyone wanna throw down a sign for Wolnir? I'm SL120, NG+

Guys, how fun is 60int? How much Attunement do you guys go for when your at that point?

Also do people raise stamina? It looks like you only get one point per level now

>>146287489
PC?
if so i'll be there

>>146280350
>game's stupid spawnpoints place me at the very beginning of an area, by its first bonfire
>host is by the fog gate, almost 5 minutes sprint away
>all the enemies between the first and 2nd bonfire are alive because the host started from the 2nd bonfire
>game still saw fit to spawn me at the first, literally as far as humanly possible from the host

Alternatively
>spawn on the wrong side of a shortcut, behind the host's progression
>the host has already opened this shortcut, but due to a desync it remains closed on my end
>host/phantoms freely pass through the "closed" door/gate to attack me and retreat to chug safely whenever they're damaged
>have to take a detour around the entire map in order to reach the other side
>by that point they'll already have crossed the boss fog
Spawnpoints in DaS3 are retarded. DaS2 had a functioning system, where it would always spawn you in front of the host and near them in the main game, to prevent shit like this happening, and then they broke it in the dlc and made the spawn points completely randomized, which they apparently carried over to 3. It's garbage.

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SOMEONE INVADE ME
4-1 SL60 NA SERVER
FUCK MY TIGHT BUTTHOLE

>>146287535
Yep

>>146287629
set pass to dsg

>invade as madman in forest
>pyro swamp witch cosplay, untrue dark ring on
>make my way down to the swamp
>sit down near a fire surrounded by deep sludge
>don't move unless host/phantoms approach
>get up and target them if they do
>stay passive until they get closer
>Vestiges to the face, go crazy aggressive
>If I win, sit back down at the fire like nothing happened
If they don't bother me, I don't bother them. I'm just a swampdweller.

>>146284827
damn, that webm actually makes the boss look fun

>>146287438

I have the fps unlocker on, but capped at 30 so I don't clip through the ground or get shorter jumps. The only glitch I've noticed that happens with the unlocker on, but capped, is getting stuck on the bonfire if I turn human too quickly.

>>146287517
>how fun is 60int
very
>Attunement do you guys go for when your at that point?
35
>Also do people raise stamina?
for a mage, nope
even getting enough stamina to cast 2 CSS and roll afterwards takes WAYY too much stat investment, just get good at stamina management and use fast spammy spells like farron dart, especially for pvp

>>146286540
How the fuck did he become a hollow? He can't be undead because he's not a human.

>>146287661
Thanks for the help anon, I hate Wolnir and just wanted to get it over with

>>146288017
my pleasure

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Is chaos storm good for DS3 pvp? Or is it complete trash?

>>146287919
Remember Gwyn in DS1?

>>146288119
Trash
They nerfed it from the DaS2 version and it's completely worthless.
If you get 'caught" in the affected area you can just rollspam to avoid all damage and backstab punish

The casting time is extremely long and has a distinctive animation and sound byte so there's literally no reason to ever be caught in range. You can just walk up and smack them because you have all the time in the world before the spell actually starts.

>>146288119
It's fun

What is this shit.
Everytime I get the taste to try a new weapon and already plan a build around it..

Oh its best used on my quality build...
...
Oh its best used on my quality build...
This one, too...

Like WHAT Why even have 9 character slots.
Not even mundane builds are in it anymore.
Luck is shit aswell.

What do
I have the six basic souls characters ready, what now?

>>146287919
I'd have thought that any being losing its soul would become Hollow, after all, gods and humans both started out as hollows.
Gwyn went Hollow because he kept splitting his soul to give to others and then using it to kindle the First Flame.

is there any way to get windowed fullscreen without downloading some mod that will possibly get you softbanned

fuck, this is so annoying

>>146287919
Anything can become hollow when it's soul is taken, humans just have the dubious honor of losing theirs in a "natural" way. The question is how Nameless lost his. Old age?

>>146288690
>luck is shit as well

nigger you are doing it wrong if you think its shit

>>146288690
>Implying luck is bad

Have you seen the AR on hollow weapons?

>>146288690
Of course quality is going to have a lot of advantages with weapons, you're sacrificing 30 levels (or so) for extra damage scaling.

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Post yfw you realized that Nameless King can use sunlight spear because you offered him Gwyn's soul at the sunlight altar in DaS1 NG+

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didn't knew stake could be used on wakeup

>>146289116
he just doesn't know anon

>>146288939
I thought it was when you lose your purpose you hollow, and the effect compounds with time. Like the Nameless King outlived Gwyn probably by centuries out in Archdragon Peak, probably not doing much except for boning his StormDrake probably. Without a purpose, he hollowed.

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>>146289130

Miyazaki really thinks of everything.

>>146289268
fuckin snazzy

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Only play ds3 for pve but found the joy of being tour guide for people new to an area.
Showing them specific paths, shortcuts and those joy gestures when we get to a new area is cool.

>>146289086
>>146289116
OK!

I am willing to learn.
Please, enlighten me.

I just respeced my Dex/Luck into pure Dex because I thought It is shit.

How and when are hollow weapons good?
Obviously I wont run 40/40/40 Quality+Luck as that requires WAY to many stats.
IN what other scenarios is luck good then? Aside from anris.

I still fancy an 800+AR Anris Luck/FTH build.

>>146288119
I got caught by it once while invading, host used it while I was walking around the corner. The damage was abyssmal.

>>146278308
I actually got so frustrated at this part that I recreated a whole new character.
Stumbled upon a black knight glaive and made this part just as easy as using the key that I had no idea was a thing.

>>146289429
Hollow weapons softcap at 38 luck

https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/46644

Obviously subtract 10 luck to account for the free 10 levels you get

>>146289429
The main advantage of luck is the stat-efficiency.
30 luck + 2 hollow weapons gives you the 40 softcap, which saves you 10 levels.
40/30 dex/luck hollow is only slightly less AR than 40/40 str/dex refined but saves you 10 points to put into vigor, endurance or whatever.

Basically, hollow is sharp that actually works, since sharp is a downgrade on almost every weapon. Most weapons with decent dex scaling become stronger on a luck build. At worst hollow never reduces scaling and reduces base damage less than refined. At best, it actually increases the dex scaling of a weapon in addition to adding luck scaling.

You just gotta experiment to find what works best. The infusion system isn't universally consistent, so some weapons are deliberately handwaved to gain a larger-than-normal benefit from hollow, and some others gain significantly less than normal.

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>Yorshka's spear and Lothric's holy sword don't scale with faith
>MLGS isn't strictly magic damage

>>146288690
some weapons are just marginally better on a quality build (like 3-4 more AR), so it's not worth the stats investment

What are the metas for the different covenants, and in what order should I take care of them? I figured out my SL 120 for the most part, I just need to know if there are better metas along the way.

>>146289941

I really hope they adjust that shit and give them some actual FAI scaling that isn't fucking E or D.

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>SL117 sorcerer at pontiff
>trying to summon fast weapon guys for challenge
>90% of people are running with greatswords or heavier

What's up with the sudden influx of slow, shitty weapons?

>>146289941
MLGS is already the most damaging weapon in its class

>>146289347
this way of hollowing only applies to the undead, and NK can't be undead because he's a god

>>146290046

Watchdogs is around 20-30, maybe even lower.
Aldrich Faithful is around 40-120, but 40-80 are probably going to be the most active.

The other covenants aren't area-based like the two I just mentioned, so you can just pick an area you want to invade at and stick to the average weapon upgrade and SL level for tit.

Darkmoons/Sentinels are definitely the most time-consuming to complete, so I'd try and get those out of the way first.

>>146290207
the anti-straight sword movement has spread to pve as well i guess

>>146280940
I'm all out of rebirths but I know that the difference between 40/40 and 50/40 for pyro is like 55 damage or something shitty

>>146290207
there are very many parry spammers who carry a heavy weapon for a guaranteed oneshot with hornet ring

>>146290224
hollowslayer spear says no

>>146289429
My dex,luck bleed build
>55 dex+ hunters ring
>16 stregnth for LKLS and avelyn
>30 luck
>+10 hollow main hand and off hand gives 10 free luck
>plenty of points left over for vig, end, and if you want to put points in vit you can
>I just use havels when necessary
>CARTHUS FUCKING ROUGE EVERYTHING

unless shit is immune to bleed you will fucking wreck house. Anything from carthus gets 40+ bleed at +10 hollow and its amazing to resin for bosses and proc bleeds at the same time

PVE I keep a hollow ccs, hollow caestus for weight efficiency and free luck, and some flavor of crossbow for crowd control but it's usually the avelyn

PVP since im not a cunt carthus shotel, caestus for luck bonus, and some flavor of spear when I need range

I have alot more fun with this character compared to my cookie cutter quality build

>>146289429
Luck/hollow in general increases your bleed output

you don't need to be 40/40/40, its generally not worth going past 26 strength since you'll have bad strength scaling (especialy since you're usually using this infusion on things which don't have much scaling to lose) and since your stat gets multiplied by 1.5 while twohanding, meaning 26 points of investment will put you at 39 str.

Hollow weapons will give you +10 luck while twohaned or +5 while held in either hand, meaning you need to go to 30 tops.

>>146289639
38 (28) is probably a good place to stop, but you can see the loss of return is much more significant once you go past 40, as you start to get 0 AR on most level ups there.

>>146290207
Some people, once they get good, don't want to use low effort easy mode weapons

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>>146290470
hollowslayer can't do 400 damage per r1

>>146290470
I find it hilarious because I see people bitching about the hollowslayer gs all the time here, but I've never actually seen anybody use that weapon in game

>>146290590
Anything can do 400 damage R1s against a pchain-user.

>>146289639
luck hardcaps more aggressively at 40 than any other stat correct?

>>146290590
>not doing ~550 per r1 with sharp exile CGS

>>146290590
What the fuck? You weren't staggered?

>>146290737
Softcaps, but yes. Its 40 cap is comparable to the 60 cap in str or dex. The difference between 40 and 45 luck is like 1-2AR.

>>146290737
Yes the AR returns after 40 are worthless, going from 38 to 40 also gives you more or less nothing

>>146290207
>slow shitty weapons

I fucking called it weeks ago. Whoever thought that people would want to take advantage of HA to shit on reactive aggressive ss/cs players... it's not hard to swing same frame and catch people in a HA trade for a two hit combo that takes 1/2-2/3 of someone hp bar

>>146289905
>>146290017
Well, I have to admit I only tested it on the warden blades. Here are my finding:

Current:
45Dex / 10Luck = 290 (Sharp) [55Points]

At Rosaria:
18Dex / 30Luck = 227 (Sharp) 244 (Luck) [48Points]
40Dex / 18Luck = 282 (Sharp) 265 (Luck) [48Points]

As you can clearly see, out of those options Pure dex gets me the most damage!

Hell, since bleed meter damage is not altered by luck at all (In pvp mind you - tested a lot) luck is even worthless for bleed builds...

Of course this data might vary on other weapons, BUT which one?

i'm pretty disappointed with the bosses in ds2. after playing ds1 recently (first time and did it blind), i was expecting even more ridiculous bosses in ds2... but so far nothing that compares to bell gargoyles, which had me fucked up pretty good, and nothing like iron golem, and no ornstein and smough that makes me consider uninstalling.

where is it? ds1 was much, much harder

>>146290907
2H greatswords have hyperarmor, m8

>>146290994
>40Dex / 18Luck = 282 (Sharp) 265 (Luck) [48Points]

8Luck obv. my Mistake

>>146290994
Luck affects bleed buildup, and you're going to need more levels to see the returns in AR. Once you approach higher levels you'll get the payoff

>>146291104
I can stagger 2h greatswords with a fucking Witch's Locks, the fuck you talking about

>>146290907
>HA dick swinging contest

Unless one person out HA trades the other, a HA trade battle wont result in stagger. The backstab punish he did there was actually pretty slick because if he hadnt they wouldve traded to death

>>146291148
GS only have hyperarmor when you have more than zero poise, so maybe it's that. Also the HA on greatswords is pretty short

>how hyper armor works in Dark Souls 3
Don't swing at the same time if you're a non-HA weapon user against a HA weapon user
Don't swing first if you're a HA user against a HA user
Effectively infinite poise during a couple frames that immediately vanishes
>how hyper armor should work
Dark Souls 2

>>146291146
>Once you approach higher levels you'll get the payoff
THAT is the key message here.

I am well aware that 40/40/40 is the most efficient stat distribution for damage/point investment effectiveness, but well, who will make such a high lvl character...

>>146285964

> but some bosses, like the Old Demon King, Nameless King and even the Dancer all become a bit harder the more phantoms you add.

ahahaha are you fucking serious

not only do coop shitters deny being shitters, they actually think its a fucking accomplishment

>>146290990
It's actually pretty fucking hard against competent reactive players.

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ahahaha
i feel kind of bad, but then again bleed builds are the bane of my existence

>>146291148
if you hit them out of HA frames sure but I've never been staggered out of HA while active frames are up... I don't see locks very often but if you could provide a webm i'd appreciate it

>>146291293
That's incorrect though.
DaS3 hyperarmor is breakable. If you use any HA weapon extensively you'll see your HA get broken quite commonly. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it but HA is much less functional and less useful than dexbabies who mindlessly trade into it seem to realize.

>>146291351
You can easily squeeze out AR if you min/max for a 120 build, but if you want to go SL80 or 100 an Anri's build is generally better

>>146290990


literally only shitters play agressive in this game

if you ever beat someone with an ultra weapon, its because they were bad or you got a lucky parry

>>146291416
the fuck with that shit damage sonny

So I grew out of my Drake Sword baby diaper and couldn't decide what weapon should I switch to but ultimately decided to go with Claymore and upgraded it to +10 because muh 2h swords and it felt comfortable to use. Did I do good? Disclaimer, I'm a newshit so I don't have a clue half the time what I am doing.

>look at friends list
>everyone I added from ds3 & dsg is now playing overwatch

What happened? I was gunna play this today but dont feel like it now

>>146291416
Why? If somebody is stupid enough to get hit by Lightning Stake 4 FUCKING TIMES in a row, they deserve to die

>>146291573
Lightning Stake only does real damage on a direct hit, and due to shitty netcode and DaS3's shitty approach to hitboxes, 99% of the time you score a direct hit in pvp it will only count the AoE damage anyways.

>>146290587
Maybe, but they are going to lose against a decent caster (faith not included) every single time

>>146290990
Dunno about that, but its really tough to lose with a sorcerer against an ultra or great weapon

>>146282840
>but here it is in all its glory, totally okay because Miyazaki's name is attached.
Absolutely nobody in their right mind would ever defend Blighttown, no matter the fanboyism.

>>146291293
>how hyper armor should work
>Dark Souls 2
I would actually agree if they tripled poise instead of doubling it. Or maybe even quadrupled. The amount of armor you have to wear is too much.
>>146291516
No it doesn't. You should note that lag affects hit timings and thus whether or not hit will land on HA or not.

>>146291597
Hollowslayer GS is better.
GS in general are mediocre.
Best UGS are Astora and Profaned

>>146287517
60 int is maximum fun but make sure you stack the rings and gear to compliment it

30-40 attunement (40 for another spell slot)

15 endurance to cast and roll without getting fucked

>>146291675
don't feed me with this bullshit friend, i have a faith build and he got hit at once by a direct hit during a trade and it still did garbage damage

Someone has a 60FTH guy active atm?
Can you tell me how much AR Sunlight blade or Darkmoon Blade provide you at 60FTH?

>>146291716
Is this a b8? Blighttown is the best area in DS1, not counting fps drops.

>>146291801
>respond to new player
>better use all these acronyms

>>146290590
>those sexy trades
why cant we have this

>>146291876
Nigga u dumb

>>146291801
Thanks, I'll look into them.

>>146291876
I understood them, though.

Replaying Dark Souls, and I just realized that you are supposed to defeat Pinwheel and rescue Rhea VERY early in the game. Once you have a +5 weapon, which you can get after meeting Andre, you can do it quite easily. In my current playthrough, Pinwheel was my 2nd boss I beat. And even then he's still easy.

You're also supposed to upgrade armor. Most players focus on upgrading weapons and that's it. I just got +10 Thief armor right after Anor Londo, and it's like +70 points more of defense than what I normally would have.

The game is balanced around having 20 estus and more defense. But, most players don't upgrade armor, and don't go to the Catacombs. They see how strong the skeletons are, and then play the rest of the game. The result, is that Dark Souls comes off as a much harder game than was initially intended.

>>146291876
Just because they are new doesn't necessarily mean they are mentally handicapped, anon.

>>146291870
without the fps drops and the motherfucking mosquitoes it would be pretty alright, but definitely not the best area in the game

>>146291778
>No it doesn't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk4LlY4jQjo

>>146291801
Those aren't DS1

>>146290994
>bleed buildup isn't affected at all by luck in pvp

yes it is... at low luck a +10 hollow weapon should proc about just shy of 2/3 of one large bar of the bleed meter with one r1. at 40 luck it will be closer to a full 1/3 of the entire bleed meter with carthus rouge filling it.

Obviously spin slash WA builds slightly differently but early in my luck build it took more hits than r1l2r2r1 to proc bleed.

I have a clip saved where I land a 2 hit r1 combo and chase his roll with the WA and bleed procs on the last hit of the spin slash but I don't know how I could get it while I'm at work, but I know That wasn't possible earlier in my build when I was pvping

>>146289268
>gotthard's
die..............

>>146291085
You have to remember, you also learnt from Dark Souls 1. Although the mechanics changed a bit, you're familiar with the game style and best ways to deal with bosses.

>>146292082
>Drake Sword
Aww shit I though he said Dark Sword

>>146291516
HA want get broken, what's happening is the hit is landing before, or just after, the HA window because of lag.

>>146292047
Alright, maybe some enemies in PvE have unhyperarmorable attacks, but i've never seen it fail in PvP.

>>146290994
Of course the luck scaling will be lower than the dex scaling: the point of hollow infusion is that ig gives you access to higher levels of damage by providing another stat to scale off of. It's not like you get S scaling in luck.

>bleed meter damage is not altered by luck at all (In pvp mind you - tested a lot)
How so? It's possible that people with low bleed resistance will take the same amount of strikes either way (for example, if each hit originally fills 25% of their bar, making it so that it does 33% of their bar will mean you'll still have to hit them four times for 33+33+33+1 for a proc), but I'm pretty sure I get more bleed from having luck. The infusion itself adds bleed as well I believe.

Unless of course you mean "damage taken from bleed activation" when you say "bleed meter damage". Your bleed doesn't do any more damage with luck for sure, it just gets applied more quickly.

Also unless they changed the stat page (which they have, for twohanding) to show the luck bonus (which I think they haven't), you won't see the additional damage from luck scaling at rosaria.

>>146291351
While twohanding you don't need 40 str unless your weapon already has good scaling, and luck weapons give you +10 luck so 40 luck isn't nessecary either. On top of that, classes like the warrior start out with innate luck, meaning you get freebie points for that infusion type.

>>146291840
What is this +30 attunement meme? Exactly 30 is all you will ever need, it's already more than a single sippy will refill. 40 is retarded because it's 10 wasted points for one more slot, and FP softcaps at 35.

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>>146292110
>a longsword with shit damage output that had its only overpowered move nerfed by the patch
so?

>>146289268
The 2-stage hitbox is great for catching rolls now that they buffed it. Unfortunately if it doesn't kill it can be BSpunished due to rolling hyperarmor.

>>146291383
>>146291538
You people continually give the general population way too much credit. How often do you have a fight and say, "wow that player was pretty good"? As a side note I never use parry tools. not my thing

>>146291683
I won't argue with that

>>146292037
Mosquitoes are just an endless supply of purple moss so you won't get too hurt by the poison.

>>146292110
>Lightning Gotthard
He ain't doing any damage with that thing
>>146292353
>nerfed
It only added an irrelevant amount of recovery frmes, it's pretty much still the same shit

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Should I do it and get on his covenant wild ride?

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Gotthards feel like shit after the last patch.
Dunno what exactly they did to them but they look nowhere nearly as threatening as they were before.

>>146292652
You just fought a retard that can't into spacing with the balance weaponclass of no stamina usage and infinite hyperarmor. Gotthard's are still as broken as every, especially with a dozen torrents running or a brazilian connection.

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>>146288248
>>146288939
I thought Gwyn was a human (at the start anyway), he was just a lucky enough fucker to be the first to get his grabby little fingers on the Lord Soul which made him monstrously overpowered and technically into a "deity".

>>146292449
Who gives a shit about beating the generic mouth breathing twitchdrone? A good player can beat most of the people even with a broken straight sword.

Now I want to be the very best like no-one ever was, and greatweapons are definitely not helping me on my journey against tough opponents.

>>146292310
it doesn't. ANything that is applicable in pve concerning mechanics of the game should basically be ignored in pvp scenarios

Does somebody invade @ Catacombs of Carthus and have fun with the Greatbow/Force/Bridge? It's fun as hell

You know I try to avoid playing like a shameless safe plays only conservative tryhard but the amount of people who just walk backwards until they think im out of stamina and then r1 with some poke and roll away after is really beginning to test my patience

>>146292849
He asked why there was an influx of great weapons in the general population. I answered the question with no bearing toward your personal skill level or consideration for good players you might find along the way. People always take the easy way out, and when they can't play like their kike e-celeb boy crush jund and get wrecked by great weapons, what do you think they will turn to?

It went from oh man look at all these dick sword turtles, to oh look at all the exile gs/profaned/ags etc etc. That is the trend atm and I was just stating the most reasonable explanation

>>146292838
When it says that "from the dark, "they" came, and found the Souls of Lord within the Flame" it shows beings that look like Hollows.
The gods all obtained their Souls before humanity, because it was a Lord, the Furtive Pygmy, that split the Dark Soul among any other hollows, creating humanity as we know it.

>>146291870
And not counting all the instant death drops.

If you git gud, can you work with 14 Vit and 19 End, or is that laughably bad? I'm playing as a pyro so I'll be doing 99% ranged battle, and need the stamina to roll away more than I need health. But I'm wondering if I'm wrong and if I'm going to get assblasted in PvP and PvE.

>>146293350
I don't see that contradicting what I said. Really, I'm figuring that the deities are just proto-humans hopped up on way too much soul juice.

>>146292838
Technically speaking, all living creatures in the souls universe share a common origin. They're all just hollows of varying sizes that gained life and death and power from the first flame (eg. souls). They're all just stone-tree humanoids, seeds of archtrees animated by fire.

If you've noticed, most monsters in souls games have a human-like motif, because all creatures are just human, or other humanoid beings that corrupted into monsters due to their lifestyle or environment.

Humankind are an offshoot of the main race, and created by the Pygmy. "Pygmy" because he was small compared to the rest, hence why mankind, made in his image, are smaller than all of the other humanoid beings. Giants, of course, are the largest, but all of them are essentially made out of the same stuff.

All living beings eventually return to hollowhood if they lose the power of fire. The ability to die is tied to the flame itself, so as the flame weakens or heirs of fire loses their souls, they also lose the ability to die. The appearance of the "Gods" just reflects the fact that the fire, and their power, is fading or already gone and they've already reverted to their stone-like appearance.

>>146293202
You are right, I got sidetracked. But straight sword / estoc turtling is actually really fucking strong even against good players, and will definitely fuck up ultra weapons. Why would any baddie tryhard switch from that to ultras, I don't get it.

>>146293551
you aren't giving yourself much wiggle room for when you fuck up

>>146293551
if you won't go to atleast 18, don't level vigor at all

>>146293551
if someone catches you with a hit once, you'll pretty much guaranteed be dead. sure you can dodge all day long but mis time a roll or you could roll fine but get hit with lag and die. think of health like life insurance

>>146293707
You know I really don't get alot of decisions people make in this game either man. I haven't actually run into a turtle in a while now but I do still see plenty of ss/cs users out there.

It just seems that if people have a few good games where they manage to kill people through HA trades they'll want to stick to it. That's really the only explanation I've got

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>>146293551
14 vig and 19 end is plenty enough! Those two are crutch stats for unskilled babbys, anyway.

>>146293707
Tryhards don't use ultras
Never have, never will. Even when ultras are top-tier, tryhards will still avoid them because they're made uncomfortable by the skillset applied by ultra weapons.

Ultras are used because they're mindless and easy to mash through pve with, and the overwhelming majority of pvpers currently aren't tryhards, they're noobs fresh off of pve on their guts builds, trying duels for the first time and not knowing any better.

>>146293647
Being "proto-human" or rather, a hollow, an empty vessel, isn't the same as being human. Humans specifically are being of Dark, with a fragment of the Dark Soul in them, Gods don't have that.

>>146292652
Oh shit I remember fighting you earlier in Sullivan's area

I didn't know you could use 2h weapons with whatever the fuck that tiny magic blade spell is and it threw me off so fucking bad

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>>146294076
>elitti brags about how he will show everyone how to play with ultras
>switches it up against red hilted to carthus curved immediately
>still gets wrecked

>>146294337
link? I'd like to see this

>>146294087
>>146293681
Thanks for the lore explanations, I've been mining every wiki I could find together with playing the game but it's hard going.

So, what exactly does it mean that humans are of the dark? Would a human with no 'white' souls but some humanity still work as usual?

>>146294229
immolation tinder is a weapon and a staff

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>tfw no vore porn of cute innocent waifus getting dragged along the road of sacrifices all the way into Aldrich's chambers where they get brutally eaten alive

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>>146294076
All this shit talking about ultras, I have been using Ultras, Heavy weapons from Dark Souls 1 days had high chance of winning, even had victories against muh twitch streamers. Yes they are not the best, but they are not your babies first pvp weapon. It's either straightsword or katanas

>>146294721
The Plain Doll would slap him across the dimensions for it.

>>146294774
They are literally baby's first pvp weapon

>>146294394
https://youtu.be/D6FmqE66uZU?t=101
https://youtu.be/D6FmqE66uZU?t=1311
that's what happens when ds2 spinners are fighting against good ds1 players

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>>146294721

>>146294774
>they are not your babies first pvp weapon
That's exactly what they are and have been since DaS1.

>>146294863

Eliitti is from DaS1 though. He wasn't bad either.

Do I need scholar's candlestick for a sorcerer?

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>>146294838
>>146294964

So you think straight swords or katanas are mind game weapons? Or curved swords? Look at me I can press r1 and roll catch for days

>>146294993
he always was a pretentious ass nowhere near the level of good ds1 players even on pc like dex_pyro
went full twitchspin in ds2

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>>146294863
>guy presses R1 twice
>"good hit-confirm"
Are these niggas serious?

>>146294076
m8 how the fuck are ultras mindless easy for pve, really now? Most bosses barely have a single attack which leaves an opening for ultra wep punish, and a lot of enemies recover and hit you faster than you can swing second time, or they just poise through anyways.

Also plenty of ultra weapon people who know their shit with dead angling and ravioli macaroni steps and whatever other tryhard stuff they learned from their favorite streamer.

Is hyper neccesary for halberds?

>>146295303
No.
Incidentally, they have the best HA in the game for no real reason.

>>146295303
*Hyperarmor

Straight swords and dual swords are easy mode pvp and pve

Guys, what the fuck is a twitchspin?

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>>146295281
they call backstep spamming and cancelling r1 with rolls in ds2 a "technique", what the fuck do you expect

>>146295497

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJCnr7RnvXs

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>>146295497
advanced ds2 pvp technique with high execution barrier

>>146295497
Unlocking and spinning around like a spaz.
Was pretty popular in DS2 due to how it handled tracking and netcode.