/edg/ - Elite Dangerous General

Nice meehm picture, CMDR!

Made me smile +rep

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>>145111952
VISION

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>>145111952
>that op pic

>>145111952
The Thread in question should have been part of the op tbqh

also this https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteWinters/comments/4nh6tz/powerplay_meeting_in_a_nutshell/

So Obsidian Ant getting attacked? He always seemed like the chillest dude who complained about the issues but never whining. What did he do to deserve this wrath?

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What did he mean by this?

>>145112862
Konerlius and Obsidian are dad enemy number one now

>>145112862
Refused to follow the party line.

>>145112853
I don't even give a fuck about Powerplay.
But when they refuse to fix something that has major issues, especially if it was a major feature at one point, then that does not bode well for the future.

>>145112853
>since we (frontier) lack the ability to recognise issues as they occur ourselves
No way this is real wtf?

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I knew that forum dads were frontier-cum guzzling idiots, but I had no clue that they were this fucking delusional and self-righteous about it.

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What the hell is he talking about ? Is this a joke ? I haven't followed the development in months, someone gives me a refresher course please.

>>145114464
This guys is just talking about his personal experience as teacher for software engineers.
What you're really interested is OP in that thread, apparently it's a brief summarization of meeting some big time players and devs had.

>>145114464
What the fuck are YOU talking about?

It's obvious that he shits on scummy buisness practices of ftroop and their incompetence at managing Powerplay or even at basic development and coding.

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>Golden paintjob costs $15
>I bought the game on sale for $15

>>145114092
>1000 hours to get a corvette, 4 hours a week for 5 YEARS, SO EASY TO DO

holy shit they are so delusional

>>145113578
The OP doesn't work at fdev but he was at the meeting as he leads Winters and owns the Fed united Powerplay command, he's saying thats effectively what Fdev said

>>145114917
>Frontier has not developed a robust product and is prone to chaotic behaviour.
THIS nigger. I'm quite shocked of reading an insider shitting on his team and confessing such things as "the game has been coded by monkeys" or "our practices are utterly questionables". Anyone would be. Ambience around this game has really gone down the drain lately.

>>145112867

He means FD might add some faggot OP aliens some time in the next 5 years but the game is gonna be dead by then.

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>>145112853

>Sorry folks, we (frontier) unfortunately maintained poor systems engineering methodology which left us with 'complicated code'. Attempting to fix stuff tends to have rather chaotic and unexpected results (funnily enough the player-base has told them this for only two years). We lack the funding/resources to hire/maintain professional programming practises. In short, shits complicated; stop complaining, you the player base needs to be more transparent and notify us when problems arise; since we (frontier) lack the ability to recognise issues as they occur ourselves.
>Fly safe :)

Ftroop literally admitting their incompetence. What a time to be alive.

>yfw Ftroop axes Elite to focus on rollercoaster sims
>yfw they give out the source to the players
>yfw modders make the game hundreds of times better than anything Ftroop could ever hope to make

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>>145112853
>We lack the funding/resources to hire/maintain professional programming practises.

This has got to be the most damning implication given off in that meeting. I am in complete awe that such an idea could even be given off to the customer base.

Why did we move into this thread, the other thread has enough 30 posts till bump limit

>>145112853
>We lack the funding/resources to hire/maintain professional programming practises.

Ah, so all the hopes and personal ambitions I had for the game are gone then? I mean, some of what the guy is saying is no doubt hyperbole, but even summed up this is damning shit.

>In short, shits complicated; stop complaining, you the player base needs to be more transparent and notify us when problems arise; since we (frontier) lack the ability to recognise issues as they occur ourselves.

This sound really hyperbolic but even then, you don't fucking say this to your fucking player base. The player base which has put up with your shit.

ESPECIALLY AFTER ADMITTING YOUR ALL INCOMPETENT FUCKS WHO HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE FUCKING DOING IN REGARD TO YOUR FUCKING JOB.

Fuck me, did Braben just hire any fuck who pitched up for the interview?

sigh

I can't even get lost in the UA/Thargoid/Formidine RIft story and ignore this shit because none of that is probably even in the game yet.

>>145116848
Sorry, I am a massive faggot. -OP

>>145117061
>The player base which has put up with your shit.
They said this to the powerplay leaders as well who put up with more shit than most and tried to turn Powerplay into something enjoyable. Going by comments in the private powerplay chats I don't think its that hyperbolic, they said theres no eta or focus on fixing or improving powerplay too.

i feel like frontier/Elite:Dangerous is going to become a case study/cautionary tale for future developers on how not to be this incompetent

>>145117121
I'm curious why you actually made it

>>145116848
>>145117674
Someone in the other thread mentioned we needed a new thread soon, then OP, aka faglord 3000, decided to be the hero to do it.

>someone memes they do it for free
>all dads now use that as and excuse for volunteers mods because they don't get paid they can do anything

>>145117839
People who don't even check post counts should not be making new threads

>>145112853

Is there another source other than some reddit post? Or should we be expecting a huge post incoming announcing their displeasure in the forum?

>>145117935
It's not that big of a deal, autists.

>>145118028
You might find something in the forums but everything else is being discussed in the closed powerplay chats.

nth for iClipper being bestgirl

>>145118028
well from what i've gathered this powerplay community seems to be centered in reddit, so take that as you will.

and i would totally expect it to show up on the forums at some point.

>>145117061
>Fuck me, did Braben just hire any fuck who pitched up for the interview?

im going to apply and see what happens. Ive got no experience whatsoever when it comes to game design, coding or anything like that so i should be one of the most qualified people there

>>145119180
Shiet, I'm sure you'll take Sandro Sammarco's position as a lead designer then.

>>145119180
I'd take a know-nothing who listens over a know-everything that doesn't.

You have my vote.

>>145116282
Imagine if they do add the faggot aliens

>Rapid fire PAs and rail gun bugs still in game
>Oh, don't worry it's actually a part of their ships, the Thargoids are that good

>>145120228
HOW MANY PIPS IN ENG DO YOU WANT BUGPAI?

ALL THE PIPS HOE

>>145120469
>Pips

I can see it now

>Thargoid NPCs start literally teleporting behind players
>D-don't worry! They're just really good at pip management!

Let's pretend that Elite is an mmo.
What would it's "Raid" be?
I imagine there should be one for each of the 3 professions

>>145120771
Combat would be a capital ship or military station/base assault
Trade would be a timed smuggling/haulage gauntlet while being pursued by NPCs
Exploration would be a timed race to find the motivation to kill yourself
Mining would be a race or whatever to gather a certain amount of rare minerals in a dense hectic ring filled with pirates.

>>145121067
Everything besides combat one already exists

>>145121176
Long range smuggling was effectively removed and wasn't a proper gauntlet
Mining rings aren't remotely dense nor are you ever at risk of pirates.

>>145121176
no

>>145121360
Have you tried mining at Hazres?

>>145120771
>What would its raid be

Pirate base assault. Once they introduce ayylmaos possibly destroying their shit.

>>145121608
>mining in RES

>>145121608
>hazrez
>dense
>hazrez pirates
>a threat
He also asked for what raids would be, obviously it wouldn't just be a standard mining mission and my reply was the basic idea of what they would involve, what else would a mining "raid" involve?

What are ways we can fuck with dads? The forums are something but /edg/ seems to have the most fun just attacking dads. Should we intentionally fuck with dads looking for meta alloys? Should we Pools Closed popular station mailboxes?

Is there any reason to go for an A rank interdictor over a D besides those few extra ls of range? Power draw and weight on D is much lower, not to mention the ridiculous cost of the A rank.

>>145124531

The times of SIRA are long gone. The only people left in open are a few nubcakes in Eravate that dont know any better or tryhard faggots that interdick anyone they see for funzies.

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>>145124531
Solo mode and instancing makes fucking with anyone pointless

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RIP Russian cmdrs

>>145125901
The day Hiro banned an entire country.

>>145125991
I wonder which one he banned.

I hope it's India.

>>145126534
Russia. Not a single Russian post on /int/ and /pol/ since servers came back up

>>145124998
No. You should always use a D.

I can't even bring myself to put a spoiler on my dadbra ironically.

>>145131480

Feel the wind run through whats left of your hair.

>>145125796
L-lewd

I suck at aiming with fixed weapons. How do I git gud?

>>145132784
Use them more often. Practice fighting small ships. Its a pain in the ass but you'll get better at it.

>>145135527
I'm starting to get used to it. Just completed the Cobra vs. Cobra training mission with the railguns. Now I fucking like railguns and might outfit my DBS with them.

>>145136998
jesus

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>already have 14bil from when long range sothis back in the day
>have all the ships like cutter and vette fully decked out

play the game once in awhile now and it just reminds me of how fun the flight model is for this game. The FDL is a treat to fly...fuck anons....this game could have been great

>>145139159
>14 bil

Don't know how you could tolerate getting that much.

>>145140092
sothis would give you like 80mil an hour before it was patched.

How do I make money now?

Haven't played since Powerplay launch. Got 7 mill, a vulture, and a asp explorer.

Oh and I don't have Horizons.

>>145141616
play a better game

>>145141616
Dad's think on a scale where cobras are an end game ship and Asps are a pipedream.

Anything that can generate enough funds to purchase and fully equip anything larger is an exploit in their eyes, and ftroop accommodates them once they are informed of ways to make money.

>>145112853
>Sorry folks, we (frontier) unfortunately maintained poor systems engineering methodology which left us with 'complicated code'. Attempting to fix stuff tends to have rather chaotic and unexpected results (funnily enough the player-base has told them this for only two years). We lack the funding/resources to hire/maintain professional programming practises. In short, shits complicated; stop complaining, you the player base needs to be more transparent and notify us when problems arise; since we (frontier) lack the ability to recognise issues as they occur ourselves.

>Fly safe :)

What kind of fucking idiot ok'd this response?

This is literally PR suicide.

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Every time I find a station that uses the southern sounding lady for landing control I can't help but be reminded of the creepy mission control woman from Oblivion.

I haven't played since a little after powerplay came out.

Do the Dads still believe in the "Stealth Diamondback" meme?

>>145146697
nerfed to death

>>145146696
>are you a productive team?

>>145147105
Frontier sure as hell isn't

>>145146697

Stealth is dead. Firing anything lights you up like a beacon for a while regardless of your actual heat level. Also emissive munitions.

>>145146696
The drones creeped me out more than her. She was just annoying as fuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxfet_R-C7I

>>145148920
I have to admit the drone sound design was top notch, especially if you saw it in theaters.

>>145149190
I bet. I never saw it in a theater but the drone sounds were sufficiently louder than the rest of the movie on dvd.

http://www.drewwagar.com/elite-dangerous-saga/elite-dangerous-lore/

The shitshow continues.

>>145111952
I want to purge dads

>>145125901
>>145127184
holy shit I am afraid

>>145150237
Does this kill the Rift mystery? The forums are divided

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don't die

>>145154335
Nah.

Initially we were hearing just the ending of FFE had been changed from giving the Thargoids a vaccine to giving them a deadlier version of the virus. So there was no friendly stuff with them after / them giving us one of their ships.

But then Drew did this on his site which is saying anything from the previous games might be retconned as needed.

Whether or not that includes what he wrote specifically for ED much earlier in it's development we don't know, but I really doubt it.

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>>145154354
>remember imgur account with bunch of year old screenshots
>pic related has 3300 views

Some website must have linked to it or something.

>>145150670
It's fucking over man. If you remove all dads maybe the game design would get better because they won't build it with them in mind. But dads make for over half of player base, I don't have any dada on this of course so maybe less or more, probably more. And if you remove them you need to fill game with new players and new players are not coming at the same rate as old ones are leaving.
And at the end nothing will mater because Frontiers is le small studio and takes 6 months do add smallest things.

So, I'm relatively new to this whole elite dangerous thing. My rank is at 100% and people told me that I should be able to get a level up mission at this point but I can't find one. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

>>145156721
find Empire, jew or hippie controlled station and you should find "Naval rank progression" mission

other vise combat/exploration/trading rank should advance automatically

>>145156721
it might be 99.99% and showing it as 100%
do one more mission to be sure

I just noticed that some powers are actually expanding. Is the AI still fucked in fun zones?

https://coriolis.io/outfit/anaconda/0pptpFklndzsxf57o7l7l7l1c1c19190404040403030202B00505055i5i376o2bC0v6.IwgMIyurTsg=.MwBhBZlECY-uUoEZkrLcWTHEA===?bn=multi%20conda

How about this conda build?

I wish they didn't overnerf the python, so i wouldn't have to grind money for ever

Is Imperial Courier worth getting at all?
seems kind of mediocre

>>145159309
its fun too look at and fly on surface

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>Zero fucks given for Dangerous Games
I hope Adder Armada wins so we can cuck the shit out of their PP faction. Silk will fucking scream about how PP should be always open; And FDev will ignore it for sure.

>>145160123

I just want everyone to fuck with the player faction to finally get Fdev to realize how broke powerplay is

they wont

>>145160307
Imagine what will happen once DG ends. Everyone is going to get pissed off no matter what happens.

>Archon is kill. No more /edg/y spess piratelord
>Archon PP players will explode

>We're going to keep Archon. AA gets nothing
>Adder Armada fuccbois will throw their tantrum about how much they contributed to the community and FTroop stabbed them in the back

Seriously guys both Lavigny-Duval and Archon Delaine are expanding and they both have combat orientated expansions.
Would turret farm work for them?

>>145160908
Why don't you just fly your ass over there and see if the AI is still fucked?

>>145161117
If no one else will OK
I'll report back when I'm done with my rare run

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https://coriolis.io/outfit/federal_assault_ship/2pktkFflndpsif40v7l2a2a02020l00B25j33f36e0d.AwRj4yqA.IwBhrSutiA==?bn=Federal%20Enforcer

How's my build? I refuse to use a fixed beam, i've done it before, and don't feel like gitting gud, i can still down an elite 'conda in like 2 minutes at worst.

>>145161847
Why do so many people use Fed ships nowadays? Are they better after the new AI patch?

>>145162035
They're ____F_U_N____ to use.

>>145162035
Because space Reagan, and also, they handle better than their stats say they do. I've kept inside the new AI vulture's turn circle using this thing.

>>145162161
>>145162204
And how do they compare to Clipper combatwise? Last time I checked, the Clipper was quite manuverable too

>>145162547
It's a fighter wearing the hull of a medium ship.

Probably not correct anymore but good to see: https://youtu.be/fIlEPZhG-J0

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AI still broken at least on Lavigny-Duval expansions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cfNqIqx3ZI

Bring old python back, now its less maneuverable than a conda.

The nerf came when no one had a way to deal with pythons, then they nerfed everything that made python strong and never reverted the old nerfs
REEEEE

>>145164380
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSwpQ4o3cYA
Anaconda for comparison

>>145163734
How many merits do you have?

>>145164380
It's pretty disgusting how cannons got nerfed hard because of some prerelease antics. They're supposed to be unfucked now but I haven't checked.
I bet it will take until the end of horizons to finally get the old Python back.

>>145164875

>old python

Its not coming back, ever. Ftroop nerfed it to shit because its an "armored hauler" like a year ago. Was a fun ship to fly but thats just it. Having fun in ships is bad. This is a life sim and space isnt fun, right?

Even if it came back it wouldnt't matter. The AI can perfectly stay on the ass of any large ship so it'd get dunked by anything smaller than it.

>>145164875
Got 470 from crime sweep zone. In 30 min not too bad

ARE WE BACK?

>>145165757
Yes. Privyet, Rusbro

>>145165927
i'm still mad about having bought the game too late to get enough cheese the grind, i can only hope they'll make the game fun, rewarding and less grindy

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>>145165757

>>145165418
>it'd get dunked by anything smaller than it.
Or the same size. I refused to engage AI FAS because they just hover away from your sights with their lateral thrusters.
If the AI is still like this for fighters and multicrew I'm never going to stop laughing.

>>145165710
Up to around 9000 after 16 hours here. I'm crashing every hour or so. I suspect the new materials that drop on kill are behind it.

>>145166626
Same here just crashed at 760. Looks like it's impossible to leave it overnight..

>>145166626

The AI wouldnt be so bad if there were any way to control what AI ranks you find. I've found that its almost always totally random, whether in CZs or BH, and nearly all AI are equipped with atleast one railgun. When you have cargo or a mission in SC, the enemies you find are almost always Elite rank that are nearly impossible to kill without an A fit Vulture.

The whole thing just sucks shit. It might keep you on your toes because "MUH DANGEROUS!!!" but Ive just found it to not be fun.

Anyone is playing and wants to rank empire? I'm not home but someone of forum said that ground missions on HIP 10716, Morgan Depot are the fastest way to rank empire right now. Anyone got time to confirm?

i increase rank by doing missions but how do i increase reputation with superpower?

>>145169119
The same way. You get reputation as you do missions

>>145169349
damn, it is going at shit pace then.
Can i get rep from RES bounty hunting?

>>145169591
Not sure about that, never tried it desu

>>145169591
Yeah, pre 2.1 best way to gain superpower rep was RES and CZs, not sure anymore though.

>>145150237
>official authors aren't informed of the canonicity of the lore
So much incompetence revealed in one day, first the powerplay "its your fault for not complaining as our code is fucked" and now we have this.

>>145160662
>>Archon PP players will explode
They already have, after they announced Archon was going to collapse the Archon guys mostly fucked off

Because of all the events this week expect next feature update about 6 months late

>>145171574
>They spent 6month for 2.1
>2.1 is 6months late
>People will actually defend create a commander as a fucking standalone update.
Like what the fuck is the point of having a create a character you don't get space legs on same expansion?

>>145173287
I kind of want create a commander so I can roleplay a space bimbo. Making it standalone is bad though.

Considering half the devs are pro-empire I'm hoping they'll give us a boob slider.

>>145173287
But frontier is le small studio they don't owe you anything and still put a lot of effort in to this awesome game. You should be grateful, privileged child

>>145173525
Reminder that their justification for the powerplay code being buggy and unfixable was that they couldn't afford good code practises and they think this is a reasonable excuse in 2016.

>going to turret farm 20k merits again
>all these pay hours
I already had to explain my friends how I got so much time in this game

>>145174141
How does turret farm work? Just deck yourself with turrets and go afk?

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=263743

>>145174367
The point is that X rebirth was utter shit and no other modern space sims are out yet

>>145166712
>>145166626
Did you lock the screen or something?

>>145174435
I was posting it more because of all the forum dads replying.

>>145174289
Yeah the way I do it I put myself in the right middle of strike/crime sweep and fix my controller stick to you pitch with turrets on auto fire. Then I check every hour or every time I get a chance if everything is ok.
Also you can run out of fuel, I've never did so I don't know if it's fatal or not

>>145174435
How do you even make a space sim non grindy? What is the effort/reward balance?

>>145174558
If you completely run out of fuel your modules turn off including life support and you have to call le ebin fuel dads to refuel you!

>>145174591
A wide variety of fun missions and sidegrade ships.

>>145174558
Definitely fatal because you'll lose all the points if you're dead

>>145174591
You don't, but you make the grind meaningful and give goals other than getting a bigger ship which is pretty much just a linear upgrade. You should let players create their own factions and capture systems, build stations create their own trading empires, making the exploration meaningful, surprising and exciting ( which is nearly impossible in the era of datamining ). Personally, my favourite part of X3 was trying to get Aran, which required you to micro manage so many things before an actual ''heist'' it made it all worth it.

>>145174823
>>145174658
Fuck, good to know

>>145174558
Cheers. But what ship do you use? Don't you get blown the fuck out instantly after every enemy in the area aims at you?

>>145174865
>You should let players create their own factions and capture systems, build stations create their own trading empires
I disagree, not every space sim needs to let you do that, I'd rather see ED actually give more purpose to the gameplay and more integration with actual factions in the vein of powerplay (but fun) than have the galaxy be filled with Dads Gamers Alliances.

>>145174591
>>145174865
To add to that, in X3 you don't have to farm personally and instead getting AI controlled ships and stations to farm for you, since you know, you're a multi millionaire

>>145175016
Yeah, I suppose it's a fair point. I was mostly talking about implementing X3 features but you're right, it would suck

>>145174971
Probably any ship, the more hardpoint slots the better.That's the thing my man, the enemy AI is broken they don't do anything, friendly AI just flies around and picks at them all you have to do is put at least one shot on them and kill counts as yours.
If you need more detailed walktrough I can tell you exactly what you need to do and where to go since I'm not playing anyway.

>>145175016
>>145175149
It wouldn't suck necessarily, it would just need to be done in a way so as not to make it the only end game option. Otherwise you just end up with a fuckton of factions that don't really do much. They just need to diversify "end game" kind of shit and introduce some variety.

Lack of choice is this game's problem.

>>145175327
If that's not a bother, sure. I'll give it a shot when I get home, too.

>>145175149
I wouldn't mind investment, while I'm against x style make your own factions I'd be perfectly happy with the ability to support and invest in a faction in order to get resources. Lets say you could invest 1 million credits into Federal Congress with a focus on mining and every day/week/whatever you'd get a payment based on how you invested and the faction could grow and change based on said investments.

I saw a great reddit suggestion for something similar where you could do missions and invest in factions and bases to help them grow and become stronger while getting rewards and recognition out.

>>145174971
I would use Python with few fuel tanks and full turreted pulse lasers

>>145175346
Theres plenty of choice, theres just a lack of meaningful choice. Knowing Frontier even if they did add player factions it'd still be meaningless except know we have the forumdads coalition in charge of the entire galaxy.

>>145175531

Forumdads are vehemently against player factions so I doubt that would happen. Elite should leave shit like this to games like EVE which already do it much better. Allowing players to inject their own player group into the background sim would be great though. Ftroop already does it but they obly do it if you fellate them enough on the forums so theres no excuse why players with enough amounts of money should not be able to naturally make their own system factions to interact with through missions, trading, etc.

>>145175531
The dads wouldn't be able to control or contest jack shit. They play like 2 hours a month. That's why they're so vehemently against those kinds of features.

>>145176163
Forumdads are against Eve style player factions but they still get their pet factions manually added in like AA.

I just don't think the game needs player owned factions and I think Fdev should remove the manually added player factions. I'd rather leave that to other space sims with competent devs and better playerbases while having Elite be pre-existing factions only that the player can integrate with to a far greater degree than they currently can.

>>145175417
Firstly you want to pledge to Lavigny-Duval.
Get ship with most hardpoint slots available. Python is good and if you're short on money it's worth it because if you're ready to do this for aprox 12hrs you'll get 50mil by the end of the cycle and you can always sell python.
Outfit all the hard points for turreted pulse lasers and make sure they're set on fire at will.
Go to either Ngorowai or Ch'iang Fei system, find Crime Sweep zones in navigation.
When you're in the Crime Sweep park right in the middle of waypoint, deploy turrets and start pitching by fixing keyboard or stick.
Make sure you check fuel, don't run out. Like other anon suggested you might want to put additional fuel tanks.
Took me about 3 hours to get 2600 merits, you need 10k for 50mil credits.

>>145176614
Additionally do this in solo and if you don't know anything about power play you need to bring merits to Lavigny-Duval controlled planets. Be careful since people say you lose merits on you when you die. Also you have 4 days left to get 10k

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I love how the divide between dads and neets is widening so much.

Maybe it'll turn into some exciting space battles in the months to come.

>>145177110
That would require the dads to fly in Open

>>145177110
If the dads actually had to come out from behind their artwork, logos, organizations, and gamemode they'd be subjected to a completely unfathomable slaughter.

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what de fug

>>145177759
6,022*10^23 - 's number enterprise

>>145178021
But why does it have barely any facilities and why is it orbiting the star and not a planet?

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>>145178093
It orbits nothing?

>>145178093

This is clearly a bug but it will be fixed in season 3. I dont know why you gamer kids are so impatient.

>>145177159
>>145177567
This only makes me sad thinking what the game could have been

>>145178263
Its all the call of battlefields we play +rep

>>145178093
Perhaps because Avogadro's Number by itself is useless outside of chemistry, just like how this station is useless inside the game.

Deepest lore.

Frontier forums are on the next level.
Frontier can't get their shit straight. Failing at the game,"volunteer" moderators keep posting off topic shit in thread. What a fucking mess

>>145178021
heh

>>145178442

Open is fucking garbage. Theres literally no reason to play in Open unless you are a tryhard pvpfag that has to show off their epeen. Piracy is shit and dead. No trading. No transfers. No group support. Instancing is horrendous. If you bought this game for the open play then Frontier took you for a ride. The only reason this game is "multiplayer" is for sneaking in always-online DRM that no one would complain with.

This game should have been pure singleplayer with all focus going on to making it an immersive singleplayer experience.

>>145178658
Taking something to it was useful for my fuck you material supply.

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>>145178769
how about if I want to go bounty hunting with my friend

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So what the fug is this engineer update

I got some loot materials ie galvanising alloys from an NPC
I also got some data things
I'm reading I got to bring them to an engineer on a planet

wad de fug do I do with these?
Disclaimer: I haven't played elite for a long time and consider myself a noob

I fear going out of my station to avoid my sidewinder being killed with valuable stuffs inside

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>>145178914
take a guess

>>145179056
it's not valuable stuff? Should I just sell that?

>>145178896

A co-op mode would have been alright but I would rather this game just have been about the singleplayer. Then we wouldnt have Ftroop flip flopping around adding garbage like PowerPlay and CQC trying to appease an imaginary section of their fanbase that doesnt exist.

>>145178914
Everyone is shitting over Engineers right now, even big ED youtubers.
I'm not wasiting my time on it right now because it's massive grind to get anything meaningful. And I wouldn't recommend anyone to do engineer stuff just wait few months for frontier to change them

>>145178896
and bounties divide by the number of friends you have
enjoy your non profitable vision

>>145179145
you cant sell them
you cant store them
you have to travel between bases that are 100ly apart just to use them
when you reach max limit you have to dump them

>>145179596
VISION

>Elite is exploding
>I can't even justify myself getting mad because i am 20k ly out
>Never seen an uberpowered AI
>Haven't been interdicted for 3 months
>Never grinded materials at any point
>Can still see the rage-induced explosions going off in the Scutum-Crux arm from ehre.

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Wtf is type-9 doing in a crime sweep?

>>145178914
galvanizing alloys are literally useless

>>145180343
Use your vision, it's a heavy fighter

>>145180343
Tactical decoy

>>145180343
>puush of your game screen
why

lolol going to get Elite Combat rank with all this turret farm. Already at 84% master

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>>145180343
>actually doing anything in crime sweeps

>>145180826
i am at 12% deadly and just started it

>>145181003
*was at 12% now at 17%

Don't know anything about engineers requirements. is anything worth picking up in crime sweeps?

>>145180826
>Elite combat rank

This is still going on? Is there a new spot or something? Also, I see no benefits to getting elite combat rank.

>>145181337
Well you just got an elite post number mate, checked.

>>145181337
Just nice to have Elite Rank no? As dads say so that I can feel like I "won".
Pretty much this >>145176614

>>145163282
Why in the fuck would anyone use the gunship then, if its so fucking fat it takes it 16 seconds to do a full loop.

>>145181485
Ah, I missed that post. Thanks for pointing it out.

>>145167392
I have an A fit vulture, and if the NPC is elite in anything cobra or bigger they are straight up impossible to kill.

And I don't mean 'oh they cheat with thrusters and stay on your tail no matter what', I mean that even if you do get them in your sights and keep them there, you literally cannot do enough damage to ever break their shields, since they can and WILL pop infinite SCBs without giving a single shit about the heat its supposed to generate. To top it all off, I'm using two large fixed pulse lasers. Weapons that should fucking melt shields.

They DO use heatsinks, but they completely ignore the fact that with just one heatsink you cannot chain pop SCBs because of reload times, and the fact that SCB generates far more heat than a heatsink can get rid of.

In short, when I'm bounty hunting in my a-fit vulture, I don't waste my time attacking elite NPCs unless the horde of system security is also attacking them.

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So I'm kind new. Where do I go to pew pew and not get my ass handed by a gang of NPCs?

>>145182580
literally just head to high RES. follow the security around and shoot at the wanted ships just before they die

>>145182580
There is a possibility to get your ass handed to you just about everywhere. When I first started I accidentally took some missions and failed them without knowing it. Kept the cargo with me and NPCs would constantly try to murder me when I was within 5km of stations. Eventually I realized I had 5 tons of coffee on me.

>>145182637
you're forgetting the part where you get a bounty for shooting a wanted npc and get killed by the security you just fought with

>>145182846
you have to wait for it to be fully scanned first you mong

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>>145183016
I still can't tell if this is a joke to this day

>>145183146
Not surprised desu, if you can't understand if a fucking scan is finished or not before firing I doubt you can understand simple sentences.

>>145183146
professional tip: just because security are shooting it doesn't mean you can too. you have to wait for your personal scan to be over

thanks V I S I O N

>>145183649
>>145183325
but I did wait both times and it said wanted, didn't scan with a kws but I used my regular scan before firing as I always do

welp, just got back from the store and found my farm crashed
leaving it overnight is out of the question i guess

>>145183016
>>145183325
I think the guy I just gibbed did that

or, he tried le ebin lure but failed

>hai guys how do I start hunting NPCs
>find and eliminate CMDR
it was just a sidewinder but

>>145183889
It didn't crash for 3 hours at the current run. I'll still leave it overnight maybe I'll get lucky

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No fucking way.
>>145183649
>>145183325
guess what? that scan thing happened for the third time, this time I got away but fuck me I can't bounty hunt anymore.

Check the picture

>>145184920
just bounty hunt in fucking hazres, fuck the police

>>145184920
are you hunting in a hostile system? powerplay or faction alignment

>>145185463
nope, not part of powerplay

>>145185834
honestly no clue then dude, must just be the V I S I O N

Anyone figured out the most efficient way to turret farm?
Do you stand still away from the middle or spin in the middle?
Few weeks ago in Hudson far people said you should stand still 2.5 km away

>>145186150
Depends on the range of your turrets.

If you are in a python or bigger you can sit right on the waypoint and slowly spin.

If not, then 2.5km away in a direction

>>145186150
currently in the middle assist off almost full pitch and i got 1.3k merits in about an hour

So when the russians inevitably win the dangerous games will the faction literally just be called ''EG Pilots'' and have their descriptions in full cyrillic or what?

>>145176614
Thanks a lot, senpai. I'll take it out for a spin asap.

>>145175420
That would be pretty neat as well. Shame it's against the vision

>>145184920

Bounty hunting is for whinging grieffers anyways. Why not just play the game and enjoy it?

New Terms of Service for Star Citizen is out boys
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/tos
>can't sue them
>they are under no obligation to deliver the game
>no refunds
>they can ban you for any reason and never give you a refund
>they can end up delivering whatever they like with no guarantee it's what you backed

>>145187530
why can't there just be a good space game?

why is this genre cursed?

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>>145187530
>someone paid 10s of thousands for ship skins

>>145187530
>Can't sue them

Sony did the same fucking thing and it doesn't hold in a court of law.

>under no obligation to deliver the game

What I saw was that they're not under obligation to meet any deadlines that they may have set three years ago. Seems Frontier holds the same stance

>no refunds

Welcome to video games

>They can ban you

Welcome to video games

>They can end up

Welcome to kickstarter. We're enjoying the same fucking thing with Elite.

>>145187676

eve is pretty fun if you have the time for it

its not really comparable though since its only point and click instead of actually flying a ship

there probably wont ever be a good space game. the only hope i think is for fdev to shelve elite and hand it to independent modders/devs. they could probably do a lot more with it than frontier could

>>145187530
can you line out where in the tos these things are said?

Hi, haven't played in a few months, whats /edg/ up to at the moment.
Do we have any leader ship, and common goals?

>>145187676
I honestly believe NMS will be good.

Only because they've delayed it so much to add enough content that it at least somewhat satisfies people's expectations

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>>145187530
W-What is the VISION and why is it out to destroy space sim? I am convinced it is a malicious sentient entity, it already has control of Chris Roberts and David Braben, who's next?

>>145188640
eh...i dunno

i'm not a fan of its cartoony graphics, i'm also worried it will suffer the same problems as elite, miles wide and an inch deep

>>145188640
ridiculously nintendo tier silly interaction, flying components, fucking crystal plutonium? in that game i'm going to feel like a hero in a children's adventure game.

>>145188640
NMS was only delayed an extra two months. Prior to that the game had to be rebuilt because they lost their shit in a flood.

>>145188669
Space Sims are starting to become popular. I just discovered some game called Pulsar Lost Colony. Then there's this other pre alpha game which I'm trying to remember the name of.

>>145188640
That's the problem, there isn't any content. You fly around, land on planets to look at some wacky wildlife then you fly away. Maybe you do a space battle, which has no depth because indie shit.

Imagine Elite but with the ability to only explore and do combat. Elite is shit, but at least it has some structure.

NMS will be good, but only for the first 10 hours, then it will become repetitive as fuck.

>>145189127
This, this is the bane of every single sim game.

Cool features that look so good for your first hours of gameplay, jut like Elite is enticing and exciting for the first hours.

People are taken completely by these first experience features, what everyone should really be thinking is ''would i log 100+ hours doing this?''

Nobody. Does.

>>145189251
>>145189127
These days, "sandbox" means "a lack of content". It's fucking sad and it's been infecting every genre since voxel games became popular.

>>145187530
First one won't hold up. You can't say, 'You can't sue me lol' in your terms of service, when you can in fact open a case against them and an appointed official will decide from then on. The system is in place precisely to hold entities such as these companies accountable. The rest is not really a surprise.

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>>145189127
I loved spore so it's going to satisfy me either way.

I can see why people looking for a deep space sim wouldn't be interested though.

>>145188265
http://imgur.com/a/Ov1Tt
/v/ posted this

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>>145189679
>i loved spore
senpai Spore was a shell of what it was supposed to be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8dvMDFOFnA
look at this shit mate
look at it

>>145190615
I had never seen that before playing it through.

It made it a much better experience than those who went in knowing about that.

>>145189987
literally nothing there that confirms it

Off topic question. Are images of half nude women , meaning only in bra and panties, allowed here?

>>145193193
for what purpose would they be relevant in this general?

>>145193193
Yes.

Go on.

>>145188640

>i believe it will be good because it has been delayed for the devs to work on it

Wow, that sounds very similar to another dev that delayed their expansion, except they released it and it was total shit. Hmmm...

Reminder
http://store.steampowered.com/app/283160

>>145195401
>http://store.steampowered.com/app/283160
doesn't look too good

>>145195401
looks rather linear tbqh

I wonder if some hand crafted content would actually benefit ED greatly. Make a bubble of systems within the bubble that have hand designed and placed unique structures and instances. Within this bubble would be an area specifically designated for new players, one that they would be restricted to until they prove themselves with some arbitrary ranking.

Rinse repeat the concept a few times to cater to veteran players.

>>145196383
of course it would, at this point this game could benefit from any kind of addition of this level.

but it will never happen because fdev are self admitted to be incompetant

>>145196383
hand crafted content is always better than generated one, so yes, ed would benefit greatly from any kind of hand crafted content

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well, that conda does not seems like a far fetched dream now with cs farm stuff
also free 12% towards elite

Hey, is Elite Dangerous fun?

>>145197548
: )

>>145197548
no

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>>145197548

>>145197402
>already 6k
>shit posting on forums
Best time i've had "playing" elite. Going to get 20k for 100 neetbux for the queen

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>>145195934
What's wrong with short and linear? There's multiple difficulty levels to each mission and it looks really replayable.

In that way it's a lot like Metal Gear Rising. Simply playing it is a joy. Who cares if there's not a lot of it?

>>145197632
nothing really, it's just not my cup of tea per se

if it was more open world sandboxy (like elite TRIED to be) then ya i would be all for it

>>145197624
i would have had a lot more if not for 3 random crashes.
I blame the jews

>>145197596
>>145197607
>>145197617
Okay, but is flight assist off still fun? That's basically all I've ever wanted from the game.

>>145197761
yes

>>145197879
yes the flight model is great and so are all the different ships.

but that is all this game really has now...

>>145197761
FA off is still all sorts of "holy shit what is happening" until you learn how to use it so yes that's pretty fun.

Just wish there were more fun combat missions in interesting locales. I'd love it if they overhauled bounties so that you have to look through a list of bounties in each system and actually track motherfuckers down to shit like the old busted space station they're hiding their ship in while the heat dies down, or deal with some of their cronies on the way, or that give you the option to wing up and split the reward.

While we're wishing for shit, how about non-lethal weapons like ion cannons and canopy-breaker kidnapping limpets so you can capture motherfuckers alive? And then Frontier can stop jewing us on paint jobs.

how do you guys have different UI colors?

>>145198614
UI is dictated by a plain RGB value in a file, you simply change that and restart

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>>145198614
look at the bar above to find where the file is

>>145197747
Open world sandbox space game with EVERYTHING in it is a nice dream but unfortunately every single time someone tries to make it it just turns out to be repetitive grindy piece of shit with nothing to do

Makes me think it's probably impossible to do well.

the dying sun game is fun, at least if you have an hmd

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>>145188669
>THE VISION
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I'm really tempted to not play at all and just go for 40k merits but the fact that merits get halved is disturbing.

>>145198849
>>145198707
changed the values but nothing happened in-game.
wut

a) Is VR worthwhile? Obviously it contributes to immersion but does it improve gameplay or does it become a pain in the ass?

b) Which Faction modules are good? Is the Imperial Hammer worth grinding merits for?

>>145189127
NMS will be fun just because what it does have isn't time gated by shitty wannabe flight sim shit though

>>145207420
>VR
>improve gameplay
lol no
>Imperial Hammer
>grind
You literally don't have to do anything

>>145207420
only good the VR will do is to make you feel like puking when ever you think about elite

every power weapons is designed in a way so it is worse than its common counterpart. I know, Its an amazing design choice.

So I haven't played in about a year
Is the only way to still have fun to ignore optimal progression and make due with shitty missions instead of mad dosh trading?

>>145207420
you can watch vr porn

>>145209073
>every power weapons is designed in a way so it is worse than its common counterpart. I know, Its an amazing design choice.
Kinda like how the Viper/Cobra mkiv sucks ass in comparison to the mk3's.

It oddly parallels the British automotive industry in a way.

>>145210238
It really fucking salts my ass that viper mk 4 is so bad, because I fucking love the design and the idea of a heavily armored fighter that relies less on shields and more on being a tough fucking nut, but its just fucking unplayable with 4/10 agility.

>>145210753
You just need to learn how to work those pips anon.

>>145211174
This is with pips you fucking nigger.

>>145211174

Sounds like you need to reset your save because you clearly didn't earn those combat ranks or those credits you made from farming when the AI was awful.

I know it's hard to come to terms with it, but it will make you a much better pilot if you start over and actually work for your ranks and ships rather than having them handed to you. This is the way Elite was meant to be played.

I have some noob questions about combat vs. NPCs

1. If I'm flying a Viper 3 and get pulled out of cruise by a Vulture, do I have a chance to kill it? The Vulture out-turns me, has superior firepower, and has more than double my shields and hull, so even if I am faster it doesn't seem viable to joust it. Right now it looks as if my only realistic choice is to burn away and escape.

2. Do all ships of the same type flown by an NPC have the same base stats of the common ship? Some Cobra 3s are "novice" while the "master" ones are hilariously broken.

3. When I overwhelm an NPC, sometimes they just warp away, and it does not appear that their frameshift drive is affected by mass disruptions even if I'm right up their tailpipe. If I use a wake scanner, will the escaped NPC actually be in the target system, or do they simply despawn? If they had 5% hull left before escaping, do they have 100% when I catch up to them? The reason I ask is because I took a delivery mission and got interdicted by an NPC target, only for him to escape with a sliver of hull left. When I ignored his wake and decided to continue on to my destination, he magically came back within seconds of me entering supercruise and pulled me out again with FULL HULL. What fuckery is this???

4. Are fixed-mounted weapons usable at all if I am flying with a stick instead of the mouse? No, I will not fly with the mouse for it is blasphemy.

It's annoying how fucking retarded the people who play Elite are. Every discussion I see people trying to roleplay reasons as to why the NPCs are fucked up or why weapons are fucked up.

>Maybe that NPC eagle is able to chase you from Robigo because he was tipped off by the cartel!

>>145211710
1) Vulture is a top-tier combat ship and Viper MkIII is down near the bottom. I suppose it's possible to take down a Vulture but the most likely scenario is that it will murder you.

2) Pretty sure kit goes up with rank, or at least it seems that way.

3) I don't know if the stats are persistent but given that he repaired magically I think they can just cheat like that.

4) Yes, just practice against small ships and you'll get the hang of it, then you'll learn how fun railguns and such are to use.

>>145211547
Funny enough, where I am right now, the game keeps sending FDL's after me, and they're stupid easy to bring down in my Python. The AI FDL's all want to joust while something like say, a gunship latches on to my ass and begins relentless sodomizing. It's the weirdest fucking thing, I don't think I've come across any other ship that goes out of its way to joust you.

>>145211818
But he WAS!
'mon comandir use your imagination to fill the holes Frontier can't.

in and oute o7

>>145211986
Thanks for the answers.

Another questions: is it worth the effort to target NPC subsystems? Does it vary by ship size?

>>145211710
1. Vulture will wreck your shit, which makes me sad, as I love the design of the viper mk3 and mk4. Run away from it. Unless its a mostly harmless or something like that.

2. The higher the rank of the NPC the higher the class and rank of the modules on the ship. This includes thrusters which make a huge difference in turn rates.

3. The NPC will show up in the system since you scanned his wake, but his ship will be 'refreshed' and have 100% shields and hull.

4. Yes, and they are in fact easier to use with a stick than the mouse. I use gimballed because I'm a huge shitter and can't be fucked aiming. Also if your ship has less than 7/10 agility (meaning unless you are in a vulture, cobra mk3, eagle, or dbs), you cannot use fixed because you will never get the broken, cheating NPC in your sights.

>>145212524
Bear in mind I'm no expert, but targeting FSD prevents them from fleeing, for instance. On larger ships it's worth it sometimes. For smaller ones it's probably not worth the extra time, because by the time you disable that Eagle's whatever its hull is probably fucked.

>Recieve million+ random mission
>can't turn it in
I can feel the VISION overtaking me

>>145213205
Remember that if the reward comes with cargo, you MUST have the allotted cargo space to turn it in. I fucked myself a couple of times like this.

>>145213379
...
I may be an idiot, but that is not good game design.

>>145213507
You're not the first one to say that. Trust me

>>145212126
right on cmdr

+1 rep to you sir

fly safe o7

>>145213507
If the station you are parked in has a shipyard, just buy the cheapest hauler with the sufficient cargo space and store your old ship. After you hand in the mission, sell the hauler you just bought.

>you will never modify your Discovery Scanner to blow out the sensors of your target

>You will never mod your wake scanner to cause your targets FSD to reboot

>You will never modify your chaff launcher to blind the enemy with ultrabright flares

>You will never fire a modified fuel limpet designed to attach to an enemy ship and jettison his fuel

>You will never modify your cargo racks to hold extra ammo for your missiles/torps/mines

I am in dire need of some REP

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>>145214752

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>>145214752

>>145214623

I've seen so many fucking ideas like this all over the god damn place. Jesus Christ just kill me already. Why the fuck did Frontier have to have the rights to this game.

>>145214752
haha right on cmdr o7

+rep

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>>145214752

>>145217152
>started a year ago
>365 days ago
>week of playtime
>24 hours in a day
>7 days in a week
>1 week is 168 hours total
>1 year is 8760 hours total
>~52 minutes a day

literally the definition of forumdad.

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what custom kits wings do to gameplay ?

>>145218404
H A T S
A
T
S

>>145218404

It changes that Cobra into a Honda Civic.

>>145218404
They're indestructible parts that aren't really part of your ship's hitbox, so you can ram the fuck out of other ships and take no damage with the right set.

>>145218404
you can pretend to be Paul Walker and understeer into a black hole

>>145219201
for real?

>800m/s eagle
>muh bodykit
>ram enemy
>shields down
>turn around
>oneshot conda

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so, real talk

will this game even survive through next year? let alone 10 years?

because if >>145112853 is anything to go by, this has some real damning implications, specifically the "We lack the funding/resources to hire/maintain professional programming practices".

So if that is the case, considering the fallout of 2.1 and how the majority of players are now fucking pissed at them, how many of them are going to be buying season 3? can this game really get by on just forum dad (a vocal minority) support alone?

>>145219562
No. There has never been a better time to abandon ship.

>>145219562

Realistically, no, I don't see that happening. There needs to be a mix of returning players in addition to a new flow of incoming players. The forum dads just think because they bought the big lifetime season pass from the start they are insured to get 10 years of content.

It took 6 months to get the first "expansion" this season, I don't foresee us getting anything else of any actual value for the season pass price anytime soon. I can't wait to see what kind of hell the commander creator brings.

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>>145219562
Keep in mind, this is just the FIRST addition to this season, not only that, 2.1 was also released BEHIND schedule, meaning now all the other future updates are also now behind schedule.

And god only knows what's in store for 2.2

It really makes me sad.

Do you think they are listening and can somehow turn things around?

>>145220265
>I can't wait to see what kind of hell the commander creator brings
This is what keeps me going right now

Also what's the fucking point in commander creator if we won't me able to walk around or even have multi crews? No way too look at yourself

>>145220452

People are too blinded by their VISION to consider that people actually have to want to actually use that software. The creator gets to be happy as frustrated players jump ship for greener pastures.

>>145220286
More grind, less fun, more bugs, but at least you can be bored with your friend in the same ship.

>>145221279
Imagine all the little hats and things they will be able to sell you.

>>145221467
>Imagine all the little hats and things they will be able to sell you.
Sadly this is probably why they're doing it.

>>145219562
I can see it only making it to mid season 3, maybe season 4, though thats being generous.

If fdev keeps dropping the ball this season, then ya theres no way in hell they will manage to keep returning players interest.

>>145220452
Nope. The game is inherently flawed and would need to be designed from the ground up. You can thank supercruise for this.

>>145219562
Here's a better question, what will break first?

The Game?

or the Dads?

>>145219562

I could see this game lasting awhile. It's fairly popular, and even if I bitch about it I still enjoy it. The problem is that it's just a jumbled mess and the devs literally have no idea what they're doing, which is going to put off any future players from buying the game.

It will be interesting to see what will happen when NMS gets released, or even better, if Star Citizen gets an official release date or even open beta within Elite's timeframe. Elite owes nearly all of its success to the fact that it has no competitors. There's no space sim that does what Elite does. It doesn't even have to be those two games. If any dev comes along and makes a decent space flight sim, with a solid codebase and a clear plan, Elite is as good as done.

>>145222168
The game

If we're talking about game's like time there are already mentions of "offline patch" on the forums.

>>145222328
That would probably be for the best at this point tbqh.

main servers go down, they hand off the game code to the community, let the modders have a crack at it

>>145222168

If the game were to suddenly end I imagine the dads trying to petition it on change.org to keep it on life support like the model train set in their basement.

>>145220452

No.

As another anon already said, the game is broken on a very base level. There are so many contradicting ideas and concepts within the game and arbitrary rules that make no sense that it really makes you wonder what their planning process is like.

I'd love to get the source code for Elite and see what kind of spaghetti code they have written. Considering the absolute disaster that PowerPlay is, I feel like Ftroop's code writing skills could keep me entertained for weeks.

Fdevs need to come out and say something. The entire forum is on meltdown right now. I wonder if their next newsletter will go on as if nothing happened

>>145222450
>Dear Parliament, Please bail Frontier Development out of bankruptcy so they can contain developing this game
>100 signatures required

Because that's what the dad population has become

>>145222625
I wonder if the community manager actually watched the critique video from that one guy

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>tfw 1-2 years from now they shut down the servers
>tfw the final butt hurt from the dads mere moments before they finally take the forums down as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZQ_WBiyFDk

I imagine the forumdads would blame steam and xbox distribution for killing Elite, as attempting to draw more players would seem like a bad thing to them.

>>145222625
btw newsletter is already two days late

>>145222745
Oh they'll never take the forums down. 10 years from now there will still be active forumdads posting there about the good old days.

Can I stil get a refund as a lifetime beta backer?
I was willing to play the long game and let it develop over years into a good game but now it looks like it has no lifetime to develop.

>>145222929
i though they released one? and made absolutely no mention of the absolute blunder that is 2.1

>>145222851
If elite was to come out on PS4 too it could have gotten much needed player bump. But seeing as PS4 has no mans sky I don't think general mass will go for Elite for their space sim

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>on youtube
>official engi video from FD comes up on recommendations
>watch the official video about the engineers since I never used them
>those lines that bounce back and forth until they stop and land on what you get
>that literal wheel of fortune thing for an experimental upgrade except 90% of the wheel is "bankrupt" tabs

Holy shit. I'm glad I never tried it. I might have actually died of laughter, even the video had me on the floor.

Then I would have gotten mad as fuck when the initial humor wore off.

>>145222963
why would they keep the forums up for a dead game?

>>145223037
Last newsletter is see is from 3rd, maybe I'm blind.
Before 3rd there already were complaints but not at this level as it is now

>>145223154
They host their other games on the same forum. Rollercoaster shit and their Kinect games.