/gsg/ - Grand Strategy General

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I love hoy4 but it should have more depth to it

>>145028865

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Oke guys Hoi IV, Resistance, how to deal with it without putting 50% manpower into Garrison?

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>>145028936

>hoy4

fifth for redditors

quote me if you use reddit

>gp system
>only development matters
>can be the biggest militay power but you aren't a gp because lol development

>>145028865
[X] Helpful [ ] Agree [ ] Respectfully Disagree

Hi, my name is Alex, and I'm an alcoholic

>>145028936

You should be used to the way this goes by now, the game's just a skeleton the DLCs add on to

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>I conquer the whole Ukraine region by myself while Germany goes after Moscow
>I take Stalingrad and cause USSR to capitulate
>Germany claims the entire Ukraine area that I controlled on the first turn

fuck off

>can't invest in other great powers
but why

important poll, i need to decide whether to keep jews in the european culture group in vicky 2
http://poal.me/it0lel
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>>145029251
Holy shit senpai how the hell did you fuck up your graphics to make the game look this bad

>>145029370

There's supposed to be one meme option not two

>>145029251
that what you get for not paying your depts.

>>145029370
t. Rob

>>145029251
>HOY4 TOTALLY WON'T BE BLOBBING LIKE EU4 GUYS xD
>TRUST US AND BUY IT! xD
>t. Johan

>>145029625

Rob-ot xx--DDDDD

>>145029656
how can a paradox game be fun without blobbing?

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Is it just me or is spamming civilian factories the way to go? It's 1941 for me as germany and so far I have 200 something military factories, 100 dockyards (enough to have a navy capable of taking on britain), 250 something civilian factories left building more military factories and getting infrastructure up to 10 while I beat the shit out of the soviet union. I control both Iraq and Iran and am in a position to take baku, basically have been wrecking with mechanized and armor even in the shittiest of terrain

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>>145029001
Also a reminder, you cant have the rebel map mod on and deploy your troops the same time.
So deploying your Cleaning teams becomes tedious as fuck.

>playing Australia
Never again.

>>145029656

What you call blobbing I call the Imperialist motivations of a truly free sovereign state

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>>145029741
t.

>>145029001
tiny divisions with MP mop up resistance hella quick. On top of that, if you're Axis let italy occupy everything in africa other than asking them for the states with the resources you want.

>>145029864
If you're Germany you can do whatever the fuck you want.

Smaller countries have to choose, because every factory matters.

>>145029741
Many years ago, Paradox had two diverting paths it could take in the future development of its games and franchises:

1. Tall - Adding depth and complexity to bring out a true historical simulation in its games with plausible alternate realities.

2. Wide - Adding more land to conquer and more time periods without the complexity or depth inherent in these myriad location an time periods. A map painter with extremely unrealistic alternate realities brought about through arbitrary game design and extreme streamlining.

Paradox chose to go wide.

NIPS GET OUT

VREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[sounds of a thousand screaming chink plane engines intensify]

>>145030076
But in the end a small division does not suppress as well as a big one.
The math goes 20%+ Suppression with a MP and 2 Suppression per Cav and 1.2 per Inf or something. So having big Divisions with 10 cav and 9 inf are better at suppression than one with just 10 cav.
Or did i missed something?

>>145029001
You can use 2-4 inf regiments with an MP battalion. Doesn't take that many men.

>>145030214

Tall gets the autists, wide gets the ideas guys

>>145030121
maybe early game for tiny nations, but I don't see why I couldn't do the same with italy or any other nation over a longer period of time. I was so ahead in production that I was able to danzig in 1938, and had france by november 39, turned europe into one massive factory and went straight for the oil. Even as germany I shouldn't be able to spend enough production to have 500 divisions out and still have enough left over to build a fleet better than the british one by 1941

>>145030445
You don't need that much suppression.

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>>145030439
>forgetting pic

>>145030474
I'm Aussiestralia and I maxxed out my factory slots in '39. Once that happens your civilian factories are doing fuqq all because there's nothing to build except the occasional 1 or 2 slots you unlock through the focus tree, so might as well go full military.

why won't my units go on the offensive when I draw the line?

they just sit there

REEEEEEEE

>>145030445
you don't need big divisions to suppress, small ones are perfectly capable of handling it, the only bonus for larger division is they might suppress slightly faster but those units are going to be parked so hard for so long it doesn't matter at all because you'll be fully supressed by the end of the week anyways.

>Paradox's most profitable game yet is Stellaris.

Really makes you think...

>>145030669
roll, go to sleep and stop playing the worst paradox game yet

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>>145029864
seems like it for the larger nations
I played a USA game earlier trying to Lend-Lease Japan to victory and now I'm shitting out more planes and tanks and trucks than I know what to deal with by 1943 because before I started converting them I was building something like 11 military factories at a time and just filled my country to the brim

>>145030669
I'm off

>>145030454
well that should be around 5 suppression, the french will laugh at that and keep burning down your factories.

At the moment im using divisions in 1938 with 9 Inf and 5 Cav they have a suppression of roundabout 23.
One division is not enough to hold down the resistance in Paris. You need like 4 to really put it down with -4% per day.

>>145030636
that's the beauty of it though, the second you don't need the civilian factories you can just exchange them for more military and be even more OP

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>>145030214
This is the same with pretty much every game made today look at the elder scrolls and fallout 4

>>145030690

You have to activate the plan autismo

>not getting planning bonuses

>>145030584
>>145030708
One Division in Paris now is holding it down to +4% resistance growth per day. So it's growing despite the präsens of the division.

So what's the correct way to play?
front lines + battle plans
front lines + manual attacks
all manual
or my personal favorite do not play at all

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Posted this yesterday, but what should I go for colonial-wise?

>>145029046

It's why India isn't a superpower. All the used Russian aircraft carriers in the world plus nukes won't make you a great power if you can't poo in loo.

>>145030995

I activated the entire plan and they still just sit there? This hasn't happened before... is the game broken?

>>145031059
None of them. Although front line + battle plan + manual control is by far the strongest.

is it true that just doom stacking doesnt work in hoi iv so you have to use actual strategy?

>>145031173

post a screenie

>>145030843
That's straight up wrong though, having units at all in a province already sends suppression backwards, with MP support units a 3-4 division force of 2x2 can hold any province

>>145031006
>one division
I'm sorry are you playing Civ V or hearts of Iron?

>>145031243
no

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Help, how come I'm getting a river crossing penalty when there's no river between the provinces? Both generals have 2 maneuver.

>>145031243
With enough infantry you can still doomstack chokepoints (fuck trying to get into the british raj from Iran) but we're talking like 30 divisions a tile in the mountains, and it only works for defense because of combat width.

Quality is definitely the way to go, balanced infantry + armor is going to outdo doomstacks any day of the week if you have the know how to position well

what if hoi4 had vic 2's economy?

>>145031462
Are you sure your army is the one getting the penalty?

>>145031243
Doomstacking wasn't really a thing in 3 either, more of a darkest hour meme

Combat width still plays a huge role so no, doomstacking doesn't work.

>>145031563
As long as it didn't add liquor meme i would love it.

How do you get feedback on the efficacy of your missions?

I have 30 fighters assigned to help the UK defend their shit, and 300 fighters assigned to BTFO the krauts above Vichy France, but for all the feedback I get it's as if both missions are identical, or may as well not even be set. I don't get any reports of enemy fighters shot down, or things bombed, or anything like that. How can I tell if what I'm ordering is actually happening, or working?

Furthermore, is there anywhere I can see estimated strength of the enemy. I'm convoy-raiding Japan and killing a few here and there, but how can I see how many convoys they actually have?

>>145031335
Have a unit present in a province isn't the key factor that lowers the resistance value. It's the Suppression stat on that unit. A unit with a low Suppression stat won't hinder the growth much. There can still be growth even with a Division präsent.
5 Suppression stat is still to low to make a difference.

I'm already wasting my men power on not fighting units. So yes i try to handel this useless staff by only using one division. This is not Civ5 this is HoW you can't pump out Divisions mindlessly.

>>145029001
Cavalry has the highest suppression compared to the other battle units so use a couple of them with a supporting MP.
And I mean cavalry as in horses not tanks.

What kind of unit templates should I be using in Hearts of Iron IV? Never really played grand strategy games before. Also, I just got rolled over by Germany as France a few months after they took Belgium. What are some tips for when I take a second shot at it?

>>145032012
Anon just study the UI more for the AIr fights. Air regions marked green are your space, red = enemies win. On the top left is the indicator for all of that.

Convoys i have no clue i think you get navel reports when you sink a convoy or something.

>>145032012
if you select the air zone there's a little graph button at the top of the window next to the X that gives you a readout of what's happened
and as for the convoys, if you open up the diplomacy screen for the nation and select the 'details' tab it gives you an estimation of stuff like their convoys, although the accuracy is based on prescription/decryption

How the hell can you open dds HoI4 portraits?
I'm pretty sure photoshop supports that format, but it won't work.

Do I need to get some meme software like gimp or linux?

>>145031608
Yeah, it said Mali on the tooltip, what's more, the enemy army would reach the province before mine did.

>>145032058
uhh, yes you fucking can? divisions are literally just manpower, equipment, and training. If you have the prerequisite of the first two you can shit out units endlessly since units only have to be 20% trained to deploy. Creating divisions with less units in them costs less manpower, creating two divisions with half the men of your larger division costs half as much manpower, but will suppress much more than just one division.

It sounds like you don't quite have a grasp on how unit production works.

>>145031735
ok thats good. seeing screenshots where there are what looks like dozens of small armies all moving on different points gave me hope after such a long period of "one stack vs another ft. terrain modifiers; actual need formilitaoy strategy not included" that you get with eu iv, ck2 and stellaris

>>145032403
notepad++ or microsaft visiual basic.

>>145032321
>>145032401
Cheers guys, that's handy to know.

>>145029251
>National Union of Greece
>New Mongol Empire
what the fuck are these names, these are a 7th grader's "alternate history" map

>>145032430
No idea then. Sorry.

>>145032531
when you zoom out the unit cards reorganize to better display numbers, when you zoom back in you see each division in its individual province. Hearts of Iron has always been very micro heavy

>>145032518
Ok then 20% suppression applied to 4 is more than 20% suppression applied to 8?
Is that what you trying to tell me?

So basically i have infinite manpower to spare ? i don't know that thank you, i really didn't know how the production work in HoI. I really should pump out more Garrison instead of SS und Panzer divisions.

>>145032058
>this is HoW you can't pump out Divisions mindlessly.
But that's the exact opposite of what is true, HOI4's production mechanics literally let you shit out as many divisions you want as long as you have the equipment

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Please help:

>playing DH:KR
>France doesn't dow
>Sicily doesn't dow
>csa doesn't join Internationales
>Spain doesnt join Internationales
>1943

3rd playthought in a row this has happened, boring af. How do I force them to start the war?

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Any good lets play of HoI4 ?

When should I begin building military factories as France in HoI4?

is there no way to see your borders if you're the vassal of a vassal with the direct vassals map mode?

>>145033092
Did you ever reach 1945 in your game? After conquering half of the world im down to 300k Menpower and i'm still behind Soviet union. Menpower is the first thing that runs out. It's the most important resource in the game and doesn't really come in mass.

>>145032403
No serious answer?
I was thinking, maybe I could contribute to the void of portraits left by the paradox jews, but who gives a shit, playing as twins is fun.

What's the fastest way to get Nuclear Bombs? Is it worth researching them ahead of time and eating the penalty, or do you really just have to wait?

>>145033354
you only lose manpower by having units die, if you've go manpower tied up in useless units you're not using you can disband them at any time to get your manpower back

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why are there communist cockroaches crawling around in my clay without approved military access?

>>145033354
set lighter exploitation laws in countries without resources you want, the manpower gain makes a huge difference later on especially if you're conquering such a huge area

>>145033178
>let's plays
>good
pick one

Thinking of something to do with Brazil in Vicky II.

Proximity to Africa means that it would be cheap to turn West Africa into states. New World location means you can rapidly increase your pops, who can then move to Africa and let you pass the accepted bureaucrat threshold for state formation.

Has anyone tried this before?

>>145033491
But that's the whole point. I can't disband them because they are holding down the Resistance and hold my ports. I try to find a way using less MP to fight the resistance. Or i'm just salty and the resistance mechanic sucks ass and there is nothing more to it than wasting huge chunks of MP in suppression and securing.

>>145033701
I don't think that is how it works

>>145033520
Bug.

>>145033701
New world pops don't migrate overseas

>>145033868

Well that's fucking stupid. No reason you shouldn't be able to start your own colonization process if you grab African clay in time.

>>145033612
I thought about that but it doesn't seems like a good idea in the early wartime when you need the resources but it sounds like it doesn't really matter in the end time of the war. Also all of the country laws seems shit. I can't wrap my mind around it that ultra harsh law does not suppress the resistance more than very lax.

>>145034015
you can colonize all you want, just don't expect thousands of people to sign up to go live in your jungle

>>145033341
ck2 if that wasn't obvious. i'm a vassal under a kingom which is under another kingdom so on direct vassals map mode i just see the kingdom i'm in and not my own borders. really annoying for tracking what land i control and I cant think of a fix.

>>145034015
>people go the new world for a new life
>lol let's just move to africa

>>145033731
No anon, the resistance mechanics are dead easy, it is you who sucks ass

>>145034294
Anon hold your shitposting, i understand the mechanics but they seem like shit.

>>145034082
the idea is that the reason people rebel is because you steal from them, kill them, etc, whereas if you occupy the territory without pillaging, while resistance will still exists it won't be as savage

>>145032772
sounds like exactly what i need, mainly because i failed at trying to learn how to play 3 last time i tried. 3 made me become exactly the typeof person i hate

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Playing as USA is suprisingly comfy

>building up your industry in 1936-1941
>bullying the entire american continent into democracy
>waiting for the other big players to kill each other and then picking up the pieces

Should I kill off the ruskies next or go invade Italy and march on to Berlin? I almost got nukes and guaranteed air and navy superiority.

>>145034268
>move to shitty underdeveloped backwater far away from Europe
>aren't willing to move to a slightly different one, not even for a land grant or monetary bonus`

>>145034413
seem being the operative word, you don't like the mechanics because they frustrate you because you don't know what the fuck you're doing. Being spread so thin you can't even keep the frogs from protesting means your strategy is lacking.

>>145034442
Well but when you use the whole StaSi Apparatus to crush down on the resistance there will be no resistance anymore. In concept. Just shoot them on the street if they sabotage your war effort. Shoot them until nobody is left or they stop doing shit to your stuff.

>>145034562
>people moved to the new world expecting subsaharan colonial african-tier development
>not expecting living in a civilized country where they are free from the old world conflicts

>>145034754
you literally just described the suppression mechanic. Occupy laws have to do with what you take, suppression is where you back that up with force

>>145034775
>people moved to the new world to get away from conflict
lmao

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>When your house is so prestigious that all the lords come running for your bastard daughter's pussy juice

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>I win the war so quickly and decisively that the XII Olympiads are actually held at Tokyo, as the Olympic Comitee had planned

Glorious Republican France saves the day and the world

Hitler BTFO

>>145034986
Yeah
They did

>>145034710
Im not spread thin, the problem is whole fucking france is full of my manpower that could be used otherwise. That is pissing me off. Using men and equipment that could be used to conquer more territory.

I don't like the mechanics because they require babysitting in the early game that isn't fun. Pushing around units from red field to red field until its no more red only to realize that the first red field is red again. Whack a mole with colors.

>>145035116
if that were the case everyone would've left europe in ww1 and ww2

>>145035195
So there are only two possibilities:
Everyone leaves or everyone stays?
Are you seriously this retarded?

>>145035369
>what is hyperbole
holy shit you're dumb
read a book sometime

>>145034158
I think if you control-click twice you can see vassals of vassals

What could go possible wrong... todaaaaay?

>>145035125
>wahh why can't I just abandon occupied areas to their previous inhabitants
>why do I have to manage resources?
Why even play the game? all HOI games require similar if not MORE careful attention to resources and deployment, if you don't like it you should be playing something else.

>Pushing around units from red field to red field until its no more red only to realize that the first red field is red again.
CLICK COMMANDER PORTRAIT
MOVE MOUSE UP
CLICK GARRISON AREA
CLICK ON THE AREA
NEVER TOUCH THE UNITS FOR THE REST OF THE GAME

area suppressed great job. real hard babbysitting that garrison area button, real juicy in the battleplan screen

>>145033178
Yea, watch Arumba go at it. He's hilariously bad.

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What are the pros and cons of each option?

>>145034478
Kill the commies, of course

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>Heya folks!
What did he mean by this?

>Completely control the med as Italy
>already destroyed 20+ British and French ships
>getting naval invaded somehow

How are they getting passed my 150+ navy?

>>145033178
The World War Wednesday stream if you haven't watched them. (specifically from when daniel joins onward)

Faggot18 as well

>>145035665
Tried, just can't handle it.

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Hitler wet dream

>>145035709
That's what he says every time the bull comes over

>>145035796
Watch the last two minutes of the latest episode at least. You'll love it.

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How the hell do I play multiplayer with a pirated copy?

>>145035667
I think the government option leads to a military coup and civil war.

>>145035787
I can't find anything for faggot18.

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>>145035665
stop bullying him
man is about to snap

>>145035886

I really hope you aren't the guy I replied to in the last thread, just get the steamworks crack and someone else who also uses the crack.

>>145035886
>Save up your money poorfag

>>145035886
Thank me later
http://www.torrentdownload.on.zoy.org/7b5bfc998a55%Hearts-of-Iron-4-Leak-Multiplayer/

>Germany takes over most of Europe
>Italy take 95% of North and East Aftica including Egypt
>Japan starts well vs China
>Nationalist Spain wins war
"wew, fascist bros doing good"
>Germany declares war on Norway, Finland, Greece and Turkey and doesn't invade any of them
>Britain lands literally in fucking Rome and takes over most of Italy
>Germany nowhere in sight
>meanwhile China rapes Japan
>USA and Britain land in Northern France and liberate it without much pushback

BELIEVABLE AIs

>>145035827
>Germany annexing Royshiia
>Japan blobbing all the way to India but leaving the Philippines free
believable worlds at last

>>145032207
Don't play France until you know what you are doing.

Playing first game of HOI3
Playing Hungary

>Align towards axis
>Get Hungarian provinces when the Czech fall
>Help with the invasion of Poland falls in no time due in part to me taking Lvov
>Mass on Yugo border
>demolish Yugos for a war for my cores
>Romanians are about to join the Axis
>January 1940
What should I do now? Build up my army to fight the soviets? send a expeditionary force to germany to help them out?

>the Dutch have 106 divisions in 1942 and they've taken over the Western half of Germany already

??????

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Is there a changelog somewhere about what the hoi4 mod in OP does

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>France has as many divisions as the entire Axis by this point thanks to annexing most of Europe
>me and Japan are going to be bled completely dry before we can make it to Berlin
>the Soviets have lost over 3 million so far and in that separate war the Axis is up to something like 5 million casualties
jesus christ
also holy hell the game is lagging like fuck by this point because of how much shit is going on in Eurasia right now

>>145037312
Are the US allowed to use nuclear weapons?

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The HOI4 productions tab is now further divided into subtabs for each type of product (Infantry, Armor, Air, Naval) as to limit the amount of clicking and scrolling I do while I perfect my production lines.

>Unlock medium tanks
>Want to set up 2 production lines, one for the armor and one for the AA chassis
>Have to scroll and click past 2 dozen other lines

REE, feels, etc.

>>145037312
not even american but
>a few hundred

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So when Germany finally attacks me, will the Soviet Union join in since I'm Communist and start the German-Soviet war?

>>145037547
please rename Chinese theater to Grauman's chinese theater

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>>145029836
nicky

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>>145037892
If you're in the Comintern faction, yes

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>>145035051
>implying thats a moment where Hitler got BTFO

>>145038106
>Having the cucked portrait.
>Not the original Flag mod either.

You disgust me.

>>145038040
I am indeed, thanks anon

>>145036825
Any ideas?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff5coI6PqM0

>Hearts of Iron 4 Germany POV in a nutshell

Is there any way to lower tension? Hypothetically. You'd figure treaties or the various "Peace in our Time" deals would lower it. Because really you have no fucking reason to give Germany or Japan anything.

>>145038217
we won the war in 1938 because Austria is the true heir to the german empire

>>145038382
if it hits certain checkpoints (25%, 50%, etc. iirc) it can't go lower than those. So once you get 25%, there's no going back anyway.

You can lower it by releasing/liberating countries, guaranteeing countries, and I'm sure other stuff

>5:30 in the morning
>it aint me starts playing

>>145036825
>>145038348
Play HoI4 :^)

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as much as HOI4 is hated and memed on, its a huge time sink. I keep putting 10 hours a day on it when I don't work or do anything else. The only other GS game like that for me is V2. Anyone else doing the same thing?

>>145032708
It's cool, just got a little upset over it. Now to wait for the spaniards to show up so I can westernize.

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Call the cops, like I give a fuck

Facist USA is fun as fuck, it's just killing maple niggers and central american shitskins until you get enough nukes and manpower to do operation unthinkable with Hitler

An idea for the General Fixes mod guys: How about changing the Fascist name for the Netherlands to it's native name, Nederland? Would make sense an ultra-patriotic country would want other countries to refer to it by a more 'correct' name.

>>145039138
I got 3 hours of sleep before work yesterday. Thanks Paradox

>>145038382
fuck off weeb

>>145037312
It's in the readme
Right now it just changes some names and flags and adds some more music

I wish they would have made countries stay the same name, but get a font change like in HOI3. Some of them are okay, like the French State or the British Empire, but 60% of them are either memes, completely unplausible, or completely cringey

>>145039653
its piss easy to mod so I'm not even mad

>>145039653
Yeah what the fuck does "Free United States" even mean

>>145039653
you are literally autistic LOL (literally online laughing)

>>145039625
Lol that's it? The game needs a lot more fixed than that. And I bet most of it is hard coded because paradox's idea of modding is making 3d models and leader portraits.

>>145039879
it means it's even freer than before
only it's not possible to be freer, so this must be some kind of communist propaganda

>>145039879
It means they are going to give you a hot load of freedom, so you best bend over

>>145039975
>united states
>free
fuck off burger

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So like, are submarines supposed to be invincible? I feel like 12 sub-1s shouldn't be able to stick around in the same naval state as 100+ destroyers, half of which are upgraded ASW, DD-2, or both.

>>145040228
only submarines are able to destroy submarines that's realistic

irl in wwii even 10,000 destroyers couldn't destroy a submarine becuz they couldn't detect them

>>145029251
You silk road inheritors of Republic of Genoa now.

>>145030214
fuck off wide > tall any day lanky ass lumberjack faggot

>>145040318
That moment that you are not sure if someone being sarcastic or they think this is the truth.

Time for bed.

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>>145039389
Speaking of which, how moddable are the portraits?

Can we expect a cute girl edition?

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Oh shit it's happening again
Things are finally going well with MacAurthur's armored divisions finally breaking through the mountains of western China and reaching the steppes and approaching the Urals, then suddenly the south is collapsing because a bunch of Allied troops just sailed through Japan's navy and landed in China
Guess it's time to recall all those Japs garrisoning the US and sail them all back over to China

>>145040228
Destroyers mid to late war are pretty effective. Add some naval bombers for good measure too.

Early war destroyers are shit. This is historically accurate.

>>145040653
>that map

What a mess.

>>145040659
Yeah, but early war submarines were even shittier! Whatever, it's not like I'm focusing on any overseas ambitions anyway.

Why AI cant into proper frontlines?

>>145040791
Because Paradox gimped the AI on purpose idiot.

How else would they release '''improved''' AI in DLC?

>>145040752
In WW2 in the early war (1938-1941) the Uboats had a huge edge.

1942 there was a big step up in AWS ability.

By 1943, due to increased air coverage, it limited uboat operations greatly. By 1944 Uboats making it back was a win.

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How all this happen

>Be Fascist Russian
>I war Poland's, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia
> take all my troop form japans border
> moved all my troops all 175 of them to the Pols front
> Take all of Poland's, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia clay
>Japan start war with me
>Germany hop in
>Germany and japan butt fuck me
> Forgot to move my factory to the Urals
> Germany and japan still kicking my shit in

> 3 year later in 1943 Germany take all of Russian and japan takes all of china clay is pushing into India

I and japan starter WW2 in 1940 I lose the war in record fucking time and Germany is now king of the world and japan is going to be come the boss nigger of Asia

Good job me, Good job Fascist Russian

invite to the reddit group

>>145040619
There is already a Girls und Panzer mod released

>>145041063
https://www.reddit.com/r/paradoxplaza

>>145041065
Does it have more portraits than the vanilla one?

>>145040752
No they weren't. Late war type vii German subs were literally comparable to Pre war models. Dive depth increased, range increased and torpedos improved, but Pre war destroyers are absolute trash compared to mid and late war destroyers, some of which were equipped with advanced asw weapons like hedgehogs.

It's really the airplanes that totally fucked subs tho.

>>145041223
Probably

Populist, Democratic, or glorious Syndie Ireland, lads?

>>145041501
memeist

Do naval invasions just not work?

>>145041432
What I mean is that none of those attributes are massive improvements to survival. It's very hard to dive to 200+ meters because a lot of seas are less than 100m deep.

What are some good Hoy4 mods?

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WE WUZ KARLINGS AND SHIT

>>145028865
[ ] Helpful [ ] Agree [ ] Respectfully Disagree [X] Kill Yourself

>>145041694
SHIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET

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Russia and I are slowly moving towards Berlin, along with naval landing with Britain. This may end quick, but the war is early, anything can happen.

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>>145041694
Dam wanted to show the family actually
Also never will I play on 769 ever again.

Also someone who is shy, and craven, shouldt really be focusing on seduction all the white women

>>145041891
look like candies

>>145041694
What is that empire

Post culture + religion

>>145041909

What the hell is that green thing in Italy and Hungary?

>>145041909
>1/4 black
>looks like a hard ass nigga
seems legit

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>>145035883
>microing vs yugos for 25 minutes
>zoom out to the end the episode
>pic related

fucking kek

>>145039310
>atom bomb turned mongolia into desert

damn, that's sweet as fuck

Any good guides for HoI4 yet lads

>>145040612
water v water
air v air
earth v earth

best thing that kills the thing is the thing that shares its space. so water air and earth

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>>145042039
>>145041995
I am trying to restore rome. But around, my fourth character, the emperor granted me independence. And I have been growing every since. I named the empire after the capital. This game is a mess.

When is that patch that's going to let us disable features for CK2 going to be released?

>>145042260
>spam fighters, give them a mission in the regions youre attacking
>put your entire army along your border
>draw a meme arrow to the opposite side of the USSR
>unpause the game

operation barbarossa guide final version

>>145042423
This is france spain

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>>145031093
Asking again since we benelux now

How do I go about changing my government to Fascist from Non-Aligned. My Fascist Demagogue is doing fuck all

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>I've now broken through the Urals, reached the Caspian and now I'm racing Fascist Poland to Moscow
this has strayed a long way from the 'just see what I can get the AI to achieve with lend lease" that it started off as

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>>145042606
sorry forgot the photo

>>145042603
I mean more like for production and which units to make and how many

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is there too little landmass in this map

landmass is red

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Rate my encirclement

>>145042889
Seems too south heavy

>>145042723
What map mod is that?

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>>145041995
Do you mean post my empires culture and religion or the maps culture and religion?

Scotland is filled and ruled by anglos

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Editing pops is fun

>>145042723
SA, Indonesia, Poo Peeland, Ceylon & the Caribbean desu

>>145042959
circle the areas you think would be centers of civilization

>>145043032
As it should be

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>>145042905
nice encircled divisions

check these

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>>145042965
Beyond Typus

>>145043057
Also going for Colombia, thanks m8.

How does Yemen and possibly Somalia sound?

>>145043240
Good encirclement. Too bad the AI is retarded, I only have to make one breakthrough to encircle a major part of their fucking army, every time I take a province they just strategically redeploy half of their army.

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Not too much longer until Germany falls.

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>>145042959
just like irl then

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pls fix the peace conference system

>>145043578
In my game Yugo did the same fucking thing

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>>145043578
tito, you absolute madman

>soviets just declared war on the allies over romania


wew lads

>/gsg/ tells me to watch Benjamin Magnus for let's plays
>supposed to "know his shit and history"
>france declares war after Remilitarization of the Rhineland
>ww2 in March 1936
>4 french division at the Maginot, 3 empty provinces
>the guy just waits with 26 divisions, for the french to redeploy and fill the line

RREEEEEEEEE

>>145043578
next time blob it yourself if you don't want others blobbing on you.

Balanced for multiplayer™

>>145043578
>Yugoslavia isn't Radical
fix this Parajews

>>145043578
We all know the slavs carried the austrian empire #thistimewithoutvienna

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>>145044568
>germanic """"""""occupation""""""""""

Why does Paradox have a monopoly on this genre? Has no other gaming company/studio thought about making proper map painters?

>>145044957
No company can come near to Paradox quality

>>145045041
this, for all the autistic outrage, the next best things are usually glorified risk simulators

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alright me chaps

>>145045041
>>145045138
whatever, battlegoats supreme ruler ultimate is about as flashy, more balanced, and with just as shitty an AI

Okay so it's been my first HOI4 and my impressions are mixed

It's 1942, almost 1943, and Hitler hasn't attacked the USSR. Actually the USSR is fighting the allies too. Spain joined the Axis, Yugoslavia joined the Axis peacefully. Romania and Bulgaria were annexed by USSR. Japan conquered all of China in 1939, and by now it has conquered some of India with the help of Germany.

I'm playing as Italy and have conquered most of Africa, with the exception of Western Africa and South Africa. We also have conquered most of the Middle East.

It'd seem that USSR+Axis would be unstoppable, but this AI is pretty shitty so I am not sure if they will manage to hold USA for too long. I was thinking that Germany, in case it had been fighting the USSR and not being helped by them, would have been defeated very long ago. Also Japan is bretty based.

>>145045345
Battlegoats?

>>145043949
hah yeah. this guy is a fucking retard about history and gs games in general. he plays on easy as well, a fucking LPer should at least play at normal

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So I went for the Meme Entente and Germany declared war over the Sudeten Crisis. It's worked surprisingly well. France is an absolute bitch to play if you stay democratic though.

>>145041057
>clay

kill yourself

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>>145045547
>tfw based arumba plays on hard

So based

>>145045425
yes, the developer/publisher (basically 2 guys)

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so how am I supposed to take an island that is guarded by 20 divisions and dwight d. eisenhower?

>>145046059
B O M B S

>>145045883
they both mis pronounce basic german words another reason i can't watch em

i like a gamer 1745, at least he has some idea of how to broadcast a gs lp

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>>145028808
Make Asia Hellenistic Again

This is the result of 3 separate wars

First taking Turkey

Then WW2

Then Saudi Arabia.

Now Japan is justifying against me.

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I'm nearly civilized. What are my goal borders?

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Why don't people realize that without a challenging AI or more gameplay depth doing

>Germany: fight poland, then france, then USSR and blob
>France: stop Germany and blob
>Japan: conquer China and fight USA and blob
>etc

over and over again won't get old?

>>145029913
who is that?

>>145046108
t. gamer 1745

>>145046145
Gotta conquer Siam my lad

>>145045883
>eu4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hard

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What should i do?

>>145046345
I'll have you know that this is a pro-EU4 general

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>no coalition system that drives axis/allies together if you're blobbing as comint; comint/axis together to take down decadent allies; comint/allies together

Where is the late game challenge supposed to come from?

>>145046463
Gibe oil pls

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>>145046341
Wouldn't that wreck muh ethnic homogeneity?

>>145046564
Wait until you're civilized, lad, then you'll have like -2k pop growth.

>>145046564
Not if you genocide or assimilate them

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>>145046691
>>145046692
Right
Well I can't do shit to them while we're both sphered anyway
Maybe I'll release Cambodia and go conquer them

Any good historical shows? I loved fall of eagles any kinda like that? Maybe something to do with the European monarchy.

Is ALPHA here now? When's the next version coming out and what are the planned changes in it?

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>finally made it to Moscow
>beat the dirty Poles there too
commies BTFO
now it's time for the push to the Atlantic

Are there any mods yet that allow you to take control of your allies' forces? I want to play Germany but Italy makes fucking retarded choices and I want to be able to grind their troops instead of mine in the same way you could in Darkest Hour.

>>145046804
What's the map mod famalam

>>145047157
MMMM in the archive

>>145047084
>i drew a front line border and drug an arrow thousands of kilometers and hit the go button
>witness me
this game won't be any good until it has been heavily moded just like hoi3

>>145046345
Have you ever played past normal senpai?

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Cambodia is under our control
What next? The Philippines look tasty but I don't know if I want to blob out of Indochina

How would a proper cold war gsg even model asymmetrical warfare and insurgencies? The current way combat works in paradox games certainly isn't adequate, not that I would expect paradox to make a good game of this sort at any point

>Playing Italy
>Germany declares war on the SU
>no units on the border
>allies have foothold in Greece/Balkans
>I'm fighting Everyone in Africa

God this Ai is fucking retarded.

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>>145047359
Hey man, I had to draw those lines and arrows from this shit and hit the go button through 3 different factions at once, I quite like how this has turned out

>>145047548
per se, if in hoi4; when partisanship gets high irregular infantry units could spawn

>>145046804
gg

>>145047548
It wouldn't.

It would literally just be attrition, and the more dead soldaten you accrue the more war exhaustion you gain, and it would be a race against your depleting war exhaustion and the rate at which the populace joins insurgents, which would both be modified by policies, rules of engagement, weapons, technology, etc. etc.

>>145047571
This. I wish turning historical focus off would at least sometimes stop the axis ai from doing retarded shit

>>145047603
yes, while you were making a simple wide frontal advance the AI was marching his divisions back and forth randomly and that was very fucking exciting wasn't it?

reality check: as is this game is only playable in multiplayer because a casual gamer could conquer the world as poland at top speed non-stop on hard

>>145046145
All of Indochina and the Malaysian peninsula. Burma is optional, but highly encouraged.

>AI has no manpower
>Still shits out divisions and keeps them supplied

for fuck sakes paradox. They have to put player at disadvantage even on normal

>>145029251
Do they release puppets or borders stay like this forever?
As if greek direct control of central Asia was possible in the long term.

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>>145048045
pls no bully

>>145047890
problem is that they're guaranteed to end up with CBs no matter what because they try to exhaust the national focus trees
it seems like the problem is that AI just declares war the moment it gets one, possibly it was designed to do all the considerations before generating the CB or something

>>145048165
How

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I unzipped a patch for pirated hoi4 multiplayer yesterday and it didn't do anything, still can't play

What do?

>>145048045
>no fun allowed
I don't think anyone is posting their games to show off their skills

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>HoI4
>fascist Canada
>early game production is shit
>cant build a navy
>decide to take on Denmark for Iceland and Greenland
>train marines
>take Greenland easy
>Denmark has joind the allies
>20 ship british fleet appears while my marines are sortieing for iceland
>tfw only have 5 DDs to compete

Looks like the rest of the game for me is just going to be sitting around and killing the 1 stacks that the AI likes to send to my shores

>>145048240
This. The HOI 4 Tunngle is fucked up at the moment as well

>>145048230
Crushed France and was chilling. USSR didn't DoW me but Japan called me and I answered. Held the Soviets off ez pz but didn't have enough men left over to hold off the allies and so got stomped in the West.

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>>145046124
>those textures

>>145048279
yes well. i'd say skill and military knowledge is what should separate grand strategy and wargames from the faggy genres. blobing and map painting has historically been a thing because we're fed up with it and are trying to draw attention to the fact that it should not be possible.

>>145048154
Of course not.
Why would they? The game ends in 1948 and there is nothing to do after the war and politics has no depth.

>>145048698
ty ty :^) I should've bumped the graphics up for the cap. I don't have my desktop with me when I travel.

ck3 when?

>>145046151
Play as new zealand then.

>>145048753
And you don't think someone showing off driving from one side of Eurasia to the other as a Japanese allied USA through 3 factions is an example of something that probably shouldn't be happening?

What's a good nation to stay neutral through the war and just improve your country?

>>145049129
Denmark?

Does EU4 has combat engine or is it pure strategy?

>>145049129
Switzerland or Sweden always come to mind. If you're looking to expand but stay out of a faction try the middle east.

>>145049129
America or any south American/middle eastern country.

>>145049129
Wrong game: there is nothing to do except war and war preparations.
Improve your country is just spam infrastructure/factories/refineries and wait for technology.

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>>145049129
wales

>>145049129
Bhutan

>>145049074
perhaps i mistook him for being sincere about his accomplishments? it is terrible how dry strategy war games are becoming. this game should be better than HOI3, and yet it took longer to develop and is only marginally better looking while distorting the complexity of its predecessor. son, i'm so disappoint.

I've got one army that is just totally unresponsive to orders no matter fucking what

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>play japan
>get absolutely DESTROYED on sea after building 2 super yamatos and having 200 ships
>little fucking naval invasions giving me more trouble than the soviet main force

what is this bullshit

So is there any way to speed up research other than the focus trees?

>>145049773
>battleships
>in the war that was hailed as the end of battleships and the rise of carriers
What was the plan?

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are you gays ready?

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Hey /gsg/,

I have made a map mod for people who hate neon borders as much as I do.

It modifies the graphics.lua so if you have changed that (like to make the counter grouping less retarded) then you will need to do that in this also.

any suggestions are welcome

feel free to modify and distribute as you like, I have only changed some paradox values and modified a texture


http://www.mediafire.com/download/5y3ti1btcp8v6xv/

How are you supposed to get the achievement for taking Paris as Spain when
>declare on France
>they completely abandon their western border
>Germans walk into Paris without firing a shot

>>145049903
eastern border, sorry

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>>145049887
well that certainly happened fast

>>145049903
turn off historical focus?

>>145049879

idk senpai, my destryoed and subs were 2 levels up of the british and americlaps

i really cant wrap my head around navy in thsi game, i get fucked all the time

maybe more naval bomber will do? i just want to defend for the time being

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>Make Netherlands go fascist
>Bring them into the fold
>Fucking Japan declares war on me
>Japan declares war on China
>Japan declares war on the Allies
>Japan declares war on the fascist USA

Fucking hell Japan. Also Britain had literally 2 divisions on their home island when I invaded it.

I'm kind of scared of the Soviets, how many divisions do they have by 1943? How fucked am I?

And those American cunts won't join my faction even though I showed them the true path of Fascism.

>>145050000
10/10 communist china wasn't actually just a backwater rebel faction. they were just pretending to be a whipped dog until the japs had been nuked.
this is absolutely logistically possible and historically accurate

>>145050000
Nice quads. However, staying commie as PRC is just shameful. You must have Mao lead the forces of democracy/fascism.

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>>145049887
play as Communist China is actually pretty easy because all of China will become ally when Japan attack, and Soviet will send you Zhukhov and some of their division to defend against Jap. When war with Japan is over, the Communist will rise in China and you'll get a lot of lands without even attack on Capitalist China.

>>145050205
Is it true that if you play nat china and do all the work and push the japs off the mainland the commies still get Manchuria?