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>Patch 1.09 Info
http://www.jp.playstation.com/op/bloodborne/news/2015/12/update109.html

>Accessing the DLC
http://www.bloodborne-wiki.com/2015/09/the-old-hunters.html
Note: If the eye isn't showing up, go to: Settings > Playstation Network/Account Management > Restore Licenses

>Co-Op & PvP
http://www.bloodbell.com/
Official PvP Chalice: hizzngr3 (Pthumeru Root)
/bbg/ Fight Club:
Pthumeru - n6rc9jh8
Loran - jjpkdcgd
Isz - 9v8qndas
(every Saturday 6pm EST, general rules:http://imgur.com/1RjNbF4)

>Resources Pastebin - Planners, Calculators, Spreadsheets, Stats Info, Where to go next in BB, Guide Scans & Wikis
http://pastebin.com/aNR8TXUr

>Chalice Pastebin - General Info, Glyphs for Gems, Best Gems Setups, Multiplayer & Speedrunning
http://pastebin.com/489M5NBv

>Media Pastebin - OSTs, Concept Art & Screenshots
http://pastebin.com/t8byCxfj

>Beasthood & Claws Info
http://pastebin.com/jnbs35ZX

>Wheel, Fight Club, Arc 101 & other Misc. Info
http://ssjnugget.imgur.com

>>144801395
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Reposting: I HATE Rom, anyone want to help? I will give you bolt paper.
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Labyrinth Madmen are fucking terrifying.
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Steak Driver.
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>>144946572
>They call me John Henry
>The STAKE DRIVIN' MAN
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>ywn own this
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I just stepped into Ailing Loran for the first time and I think I'm in love

Now this is dungeon crawling
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>>144946318
I would but my PS+ ran out, and I don't plan on renewing it until they start having good PS+ games again.

The trick to Rom though is to kill all the little spiders first, while she is not-aggro, then do as much damage as you can all at once. Pop a beast blood pellet, fire paper, regen all your stamina, toss an oil urn, then go to town. Keep attacking even as she fades away.

From then on, just close in on her without locking on, and just wait for the little spiders to leave an opening, then rush in, hit her once or twice, then get out.

Protip: Chalice Rom doesn't take massively reduce damage for hitting her in the face like Story Rom.
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>>144946318
Ok I killed Rom but died at the same time, where are my blood echoes?
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>>144946759
Isz Chalice is probably my favorite game experience ever. Though, I usually get shitty bosses.
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>>144946802
If you go back to Hunter's Dream, you can warp back to Moonside Lake where you fought Rom (A lamp automatically got lit). Odds are they'll be there somewhere.
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Thrust seems OP in PVE. What are some good thrust weapons? Saw Spear is nice but kinda slow and awkward (tricked R2).
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>>144946802
AAAAHOOOO, OOOOOOOH!
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>>144947201

I really enjoy the reiterpallasch but I'm sure there are much better ones out there

Church pick maybe? I tried it out and its damage output seemed a little lower than the reiterpallasch but it hits like a truck and can pancake things and even stagger things that really have no business being staggered
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>>144946527

Anything that runs faster than it should is
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>>144946527
Those are the "Crazy Ex-Girlfriend" enemies, right?
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Anyone wanna help an ayy out with Maria? I'm pretty low level with bad gems but I'm so committed to the DLC at this point I just want to beat her so I can get my bolt gems. Augur spam against her is not nearly as reliable as I was led to believe and I've run out of beast pellets.

BL50, password is bbg
Ringing outside the boss fog.
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>>144950116

At this ungodly hour?
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>>144950487
Just got off work not long ago. I know it's late as fuck but I figured I'd see if I get any bites anyways.
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>>144947201
Church Pick is THE thrust weapon. Its entire tricked moveset is thrust.
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>>144950116
okay it's clearly far too late to be asking this.
I'm going to stop ringing.
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Could anyone please assist me with the undead giant in lower pthumeria?
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We back now?
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>>144950116
black eyesky and the gloves were a great help for her and orphan
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>the eyes on the Mensis pigs all have collapsed pupils

Nice touch
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What is the best single piece of clothing in the game and why is it the Crowfeather Garb?
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>>144956452
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>>144956452
My personal fav.
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>fighting lower pthumeria layer 3 rom
>doing well
>1/3rd left
>WEAPON IS AT RISK

God damn I am not used to weapons not being restored by touching lamps.

Fucking DaS3.
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>>144959918
Durability is so pointless, I don't know why they keep including it in every game
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Ahh...
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>>144961056
Kos...
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>>144963649
Or,
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>>144956890
It looks 10/10 on females too, which most outfits don't.
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>>144963960
Some
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How do defiled chalices work?

Can i access pre-made defiled dungeons as soon as I get the chalice, or do I need to make one myself first?
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About how long does it take to clear all the chalice dungeons?

I've done everything else, and at this point I just wanna do it for completion's sake
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>>144964236
Say
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>>144964454
msoK
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>>144964372
Not too long desu senpai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMkznHPuGY4
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>>144964340
If you mean FRC dungeons, you gotta make one yourself and then you can create other people's dungeons by searching their glyphs.
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I have the flu and have been able to take the week off, so been playing a lot of Bloodborne and it's all becoming one big fever dream. I've dreamed about it and when I'm not hugging my toilet I'm playing it

Wherever I go I hear the Hunters Dream theme I'm for sure getting some Insight after this.
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>>144964969
Ah right, thanks mate.

Why the fuck From gave LHB a fucking radial slot as standard I do not know.
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>>144965174
Probably for Arcane builds to turn it to fire or bolt.
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Are the Gems like Dark Souls, where fire and bolt weapons won't scale at all, and arcane gems make it scale with your arcane stat? Only ask, I just know that putting some gems in my LHB make it hit a lot harder.
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>>144965767
Elemental gems, fire/bolt/arc, convert your weapon damage and scale with arcane
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>>144965767
Fire and bolt gems scale with the Arcane stat as long as they aren't flat damage.
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>>144946712
I have the edition with the Lady Maria cover (imported from China), but it doesn't include soundtrack and book.
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Alright /bbg/, I've done my basic Ludwig's scrub-tier first playthrough build
What do I do next?
Arcane?
Skill?
Gimme ideas
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>>144966258
Whatever is fine.
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>>144966258
50 Blt or 99 Arc
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>>144965174
I understand this, but it's mainly a quality weapon; it should be given a triangle slot and uncanny should have the radial.
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>>144966258
W H E E L
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>>144966258
Was there a weapon you liked the look of while playing through?
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>>144966258
99 Endurance
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post the hardest chalice dungeons you've found/made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHE8D7KkSug
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>>144969556
Any dungeon with Witch of Hemwick in it.
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Okay, how hard is NG+++

?
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>>144969957
NG+ and NG++ are nothing, NG+++ is when the difficulty starts to spike.
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Does anyone have an updated version of this? I remember seeing a different kind of rolltable but I never saved it

Also rolling for random fun build for chalice cooping
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>>144970978
>wheel
>executioner
>drop a coin after every kill
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>>144969012
Sorry, I've already copyrighted that meme build.
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>>144970978
rolling
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How viable is a high bloodtinge or high arcane build?

It seems like you have to get a good way into the game to get a weapon that uses either, and guns don't seem to do enough damage to hold you over (though this could be because I never put a whole ton of points into BT)

Is it something where I should invest in strength or skill at first then start pumping the other stat later?
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>>144973306
Both are fun and perfectly viable, but boring to build.
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>>144973306
If you wanna go pure blt or arc, upgrade Strength and Skill to meet the base requirements to hold the weapons of each build. Arc doesn't really need any Skl or Str, but upgrading them gives you more weapon options.
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>>144956452
Tomb Prospector Garb for dat collar
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>>144974384
Tomb Prospector Trousers for dem heels
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>>144973306
Arcane gets real fun later on, once you have ayylmao, MLGS, some high level gems and all the hunter tools to play with. It's pretty boring in the early game where all you can do is dump Vit and try for a whopping 7% fire gem or some shit.

Never tried pure Bloodtinge. I assume it's pretty boring since you only get two melee weapons to pick from, and I hate the constant HP drain on Chikage. Can anyone who has done a pure Bloodtinge build fill me in? Do you end up doing more damage with gun/bow than melee? Do you git gud at the snake whistle? Or do you just trick your Chikage/Blootletter and mash R1 like it's a quality build?
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These chalice dungeons are uh
I mean maybe it's because I'm doing them so late in the game but
These are just boring as shit
The bosses would probably be cool but again, I'm like level 70
But I think even if I were an appropriate level this would still be exhaustingly samey

I wish these were just a boss rush mode instead
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>>144974768
>These are just boring as shit

This was my mistake the first time I played.

I didn't attempt them AT ALL until NG+ and it was unbearable.

When I did them as I progressed through the game normally it ended up being a ton of fun.
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>>144974638
My mann
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>>144974768
They get a bit more interesting once you get to Loran and Isz but yeah they're notoriously boring in Pthumeru. Play some music while you're doing them, helps ease the boredom.
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>>144975062
I love root chalice dungeons, they're all I do at this point.
What I don't like is farming gems in dungeons.
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>>144974768
>"like sl 70"
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>>144975062
I can see that I guess, but really I hate the layouts of these things.
If I wanted to play a completely optional series of empty square rooms full of the same mobs over and over just on the off chance of finding a fun/hard boss fight I'd finish the Dark Souls 2 DLC.
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>>144975241
I've done literally everything except the chalice dungeons and the final boss, I figured 70 was an appropriate place to stop.
I just blow all my echoes on vials now but I mean if there's some kind of finish-the-game-at-level-40 meta I'm not aware of then I'll keep that in mind.
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>>144975271
For what it's worth though, 80% of Bloodborne is optional, and "empty square rooms full of the same enemies" is 90% of the series.
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>>144975423
I think you got the wrong idea from the start

Chalices are completely optional, not part of the main story in any way

You can run through them all at SL 4 and still finish the game at 100 or whatever you managed to get to, since many do chalices solely for fun, pvp gems/weapons or just grinding echoes

There is nothing forcing you to do a single chalice throughout the game at any point
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>>144975552
>"empty square rooms full of the same enemies" is 90% of the series
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>>144975775
Alright you called my bluff. Some are circular.
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>>144975768
Yeah I know they're optional, but knowing there's hella unique bosses locked away behind chalice dungeons compels me to finish them. That's why I said I wish this was a boss rush. Hell whenever I replay DaS1, I make sure I at least kill Artorias before I finish the game.
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>>144975940
The problem is you're too high level.

Yes the layouts are bland and the enemies are always the same. But when those enemies are actually threatening it doesn't matter as much because you're too busy fighting to whine about being bored.

Once you get to the cursed dungeons later on you'll see.
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>>144974768
Follow the speedrun guide and finish lower pthumeru within an hour and a half at most
It stops being so fucking boring in depth 4
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>>144974768
Don't worry, they'll catch up to you pretty soon. The low level ones are more interesting if you do them at an appropriate level, but the game does a shit job of communicating this to you. Maybe there could've been one short hand-crafted one that was mandatory for progress at some point.

>>144975206
Agreed, root chalices are cool. I don't know why they put non-root chalices in the game. The re-used rooms, enemies and bosses would've been forgivable if it was randomized every time. I guess they wanted players to be able to swap stories about chalices with a common frame of reference, but they could've accomplished that with some kind of daily challenge feature like every roguelite game has, where everyone gets the same seed for 24 hours.
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>>144973306
I have a 50 Blt build (all other offensive stats at minimum for the Bloodletter, Bowblade, and Chikage, no higher), a 50 Arc build with 20 Str for requirements and some HMS, and a 99 Arc build with everything else but Vit at minimum.

For Arc you only need to beat BSB and you're able to get fire gems which can carry you through the entire game. For Blt, you pick a weapon you can use with whatever Str/Skl stats you're planning to end the build with (I just went with Axe; spin2win can make up for the lack of damage) upgrade it as far as you can, and after Amelia either take on Simon or rush Logarius. Low-level Logarius can be a pain, but if you can't crack him a hunter is never alone.
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>>144976353
>I don't know why they put non-root chalices in the game.

Seems like they're mostly there for the sake of the progression of bosses, but randomized stages with the same bosses on the proper floors would've worked far better.
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>>144974764
>constant HP drain
The trick to using the Chikage is to only have it tricked when attacking and untricking it for every other time. When you trick the Chikage and the hunter sheathes it you can hit either R1 or R2 to attack straight from it, get in whatever hits you want to get in, then untrick it to reposition or dodge or whatever.

Tricked Chikage and Bloodletter outdamage guns by miles, because they can get gemmed up and guns can't. I was personally expecting Blt to get boring because only two melee weapons, but I was pleasantly surprised by how good and fun they both are.
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I always dread Rom cause all the bad things the Blood Moon brings ):
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>>144970978
This is kinda dumb because you're always stuck with the same of stuff for certain numbers, but I can dig it. Also, how do you rush to certain late game weapons?
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Anyone here actually spin the wheel ever?
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>>144978904
By going towards them quickly.

You only need to fight 5 bosses to get from the Clinic to Mensis. Same goes for getting to the Hamlet.
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REquesting bully for bullying.

Password is qt
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I think Chalice Dungeons sound really cool. Why do people hate them? I was going to do one soon.
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>>144979634
>Why do people hate them?

Because they ignore them until the end of the game and get bored because they're way overlevelled.
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>>144979796
and because the souls community is a bit too autistic and sugar driven for randomized dungeons
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>>144979634
>wanna make new build
>forced to grind shit
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>>144970978
rollin in it
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Thinking of a 99 arc build with church pick.
Damn weapon requirements.
Other than lhb a scaling in arc what other weapons go great with arc builds?
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>>144970978
rolling
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>>144979998
>forced


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>>144970978
Rolling for next build
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>>144970978
hit me
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>>144980261
the initial scaling isn't very important, you're gonna use two cold abyssals to bump it up to s anyway
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>>144970978
I really want someone to make DLC version of this

I saw one floating around but it was super confusing and did not make any sense
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>>144980395
True that. Thanks.
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>>144946119
>Get PSplus for the first time since it's release
>decide to help out some poor Hunters for bosses I already beat
>Darkbeast Paarl
>get summoned
>host Hunter has my same weapon pretty cool
>game starts and the boss feels much easier since I know its attack patterns
>host gets himself killed and we were halfway through it

Well back to Dark Souls 3
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>>144979634
By the time you've reached Queen Yharnam you'll know exactly why people hate them.
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>mfw whirlyfag saw make a loud PARRY NOW sound every time they press R1
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Okay, so having now finished the DLC, tell me if my interpretation here is right

>the church had a secret little village where they worshipped a big sea squid called Kos, or some say Kosm, who turned someone/something called Rom into a giant spider for the rituals that created the Nightmare of Mensis
>the church was trying to breed Kos, creating evil fish monster people and the living failures
>the entrance to the village was hidden behind the clocktower so nobody would catch on
>victims of some disease were kept in the tower, probably fed to Kos/the monster people of the village
>the church's hunters took part in all this because the blood of great ones gives them power
>at some point the entire place was put into a nightmare dimension to keep all this shit from getting out because breeding Kos wasn't working and the whole fish monster thing was out of hand
>now insane hunters leave to go to the nightmare and try their hand at getting some great one blood
>Maria took it upon herself to enter the nightmare and keep the entrance to the Hamlet sealed, as well as take care of the patients in the tower
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How am I suppose to fight beast hide prick, he's tough
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>>144980694

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JL5acskAT_2t062HILImBkV8eXAwaqOj611mSjK-vZ8/edit?pref=2&pli=1
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>>144980694
Everything you said is 100% wrong.

Short version:

Byrgenwerth sent Gehrman/Maria to the Fishing Hamlet because Kos had washed up on the shore. They fucked up the villagers' days.

Healing Church was created, did nasty experiments on people in the shadows, overseen by Maria.

Everything in the Nightmare is a *depiction* of the events that took place, warped by the fact it's a nightmare realm.
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>someone summons me for the 3 watcher assholes
>I take on the fire one so other player isn't bombarded by fire balls and neither am I
>all they need to do is survive while I finish him off
>hear a scream
>the host has died

On another note I've beaten all the bosses until ROM.

Anybody want a partner in their journeys tell me your location and I'll ring my bell.
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>>144980958
>Byrgenwerth sent Gehrman/Maria to the Fishing Hamlet because Kos had washed up on the shore
Guide says Kos was killed during one of the church raids on the village. Can't find the scan right now. Will post once I do.
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>>144981072
>church raids on the village
the church didn't exist yet though
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>>144981119
>>144981072
And Kos washed up already dead and filled with parasites.
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>>144979342
You still need help anon?
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>>144981072
If the guide really says that it's one hell of an inaccuracy. Laurence wouldn't be in the Nightmare if the curse was cast after the Church was founded because he was already fucking dead.
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>>144980261
Bad weapon selection.
Chuch pick will do shit damage with elemental gems, because it loses the thrust damage.
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>>144981414
I got her but thank you. So much more satisfying one on one. All Lady Maria ever wants is a fair fight with your Hunter
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Why is BB so much more put together than DkS3? They half assed the graphics on 3 except for the character creator.
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>>144981750
Because Miyanabanana actually wanted to make Bloodborne and sony wasn't up his ass to release it ASAP.
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>>144981750
How many times can you make cathedrals and castles before you run out of ways to make them look interesting?
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>>144980958
>a *depiction*
which applies to all nightmares and dreams, with the burgertown lecture hall being the sole exception

>>144981750
Because DS3 was a game that had a dev cycle that ran from early 2014 to early 2016, had two different directors, and when the second director took over he was simultaneously working on another project and likely fucking around with plans for a new IP at the same time.
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>>144981750
Sonybux > Bamcobux
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>>144982045
ask the devs of the old FF games
granted those castles are all hand drawn
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>Cooping for Ludwig
>Guy has to be in NG++ at least, Ludwig does half my health in one hit
>Get him to phase two
>Killed by a sword that isn't even touching me
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>>144981604
Does serrated/righteous carry over ontop of arcane?
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>>144983209
Yes, those are damage modifiers tied to a weapon rather than a damage type of a weapon that gets replaced with arc damage
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>>144983209
>>144983434

I know about serration but what is righteous?
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>>144981750
Japan studio was responsible for art,music and sound i believe
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>>144983715
Basically a holy damage modifier that does bonus against the cainhurst vampires and ghosts
The silver swords have it, a few others maybe but I can't remember, church weapons pretty much
Fun fact, the cane is the only weapon in the game with both of the modifiers, righteous damage while untricked and serrated while tricked
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>>144984043
Church pick as well.
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>>144984183
Oh, right, was remembering base game only
Righteous is weird though, like with the kirk only the sword has it and it's an entire church weapon while the cane isn't church related at all but it has it
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Is Rapid Poison more like Bleed or Toxic? I don't think I've ever been inflicted with it.
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>>144984913
Rapid poison is DaS1 bleed, takes an instant chunk off once it fills
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Anyone wanna help with darkebast paarl NG+? pass is fisk, ringing above boss
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>>144985774
>darkebast
darkbeast, obviously
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>>144985774
on my way
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>>144985774
Ringing
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>>144985971
Oh in that case nevermind. I was really looking forward to fighting the darkebast.
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When and why do you 'foul' a note?
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MORE BLOOD!
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>>144986201
When it is deceptive or treacherous.
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Not getting you Darkebast anon
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>>144986201
Never.
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>>144986123
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>>144986343
got help from a friend and an anon real quick, thanks though
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https://www.mugenmonkey.com/bloodborne/17398

How is it? Going to do full Ayy lmao
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>>144986971
>kos*m*

kill yourself


If you aren't taking ARC all the way to 99 might as well stop it at the softcap and get more health/stamina
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Is shit on fire only if I kill Wet Nurse the Crow or if I just start the fight?
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>>144986218
BLOOD

N
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>>144988727
I just solo'd /bbg/ with a Chikage +4. That was intense.
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>>144988727
>>144989605
>unintentional reply

But to make up for it: yes, you have to kill the nurse for the fire to start.
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>>144989746
Thanks and good job Anon
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Anyone else here wish the enemy npc hunters could heal repeatedly?

It'd be great if they respawned to practice heal parries.
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>>144987280
I could have sworn that 70 was another cap for ARC. At least thats what I read here. Someone said that it gave 25% more tool damage over 50.
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>>144990595
tools scale all the way to 99 ARC, but the weapons still softcap at 50.
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>>144990465
Crowsteel does, you're gonna be practicing a lot more than that though.
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>>144990465
No it wouldn't because there's no latency to account for.
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>>144990465
I'd be ok with them healing if they had less bloody hp.
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Alright why is Martyr Logarius such a pain for me to handle. Any good strats for him?
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>>144991373
>>144991582
>>144991612
They're just not difficult enough for me.
Moar frustration is what I want.
I want crowsteel at every lamp forcing people to quit the game.
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>>144991715
paryy
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>>144991715
1st phase stick close to him unless he uses the skull-blast-backstep, try not to let him back into a corner because that makes it really awkward

Charge an R2 on his back when he's switching to 2nd phase, you'll interrupt him and open him up for a backstab.

2nd phase shoot the sword if he plants it into the ground, and if you practice it a bit you can backstab him after he does the lunge from the sky.

Hope that helps, I'm not quite at Cainhurst on this character yet but if you still need a hand after that I can try and rush there since I already have the summons
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>still can't kill Orphan with my Arcane build
JUST
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>>144992427
The guy you're spoonfeeding should have noticed and observed the boss' tactics and figured all that out on his own if he wasn't a fucking idiot.
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>>144992870
Well yeah but if he's asking for advice imma give the boy some advice
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>>144992870
From now on you're not allowed to ask any questions in /bbg/, otherwise you're a retarded scrub.
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>>144992870
Faggot
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>>144993285
Dont you enjoy imagining people struggling throwing their controllers like children at a videogame?

The struggle is good
The struggle will make you stronger.
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>>144993429
>>144993369
Come at me you slow brained shits.
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>>144992427
Just got him. Me and a cooperator bullied him with parries. Did the charge R2 and that helped a ton.

May the good blood guide your way, friend.
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>>144992764
no seriously, I'm sick of this goddamn boss
I've gotten to the point I can easily get him to his 2nd form without healing (didn't know you can laugh at the shitbomb attacks with the Loch Shield)

But at that moment, everything goes to shit, its impossible to read his attacks and ends up becoming a fuckfest of seeing who dishes out more damage close up and personal
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>>144993449
I enjoy >>144993694 more, you do you though

>>144993694
Glad I could help
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>>144994032
Loooool your eyes can't keep up with SMOOTH 30 fps.

Hey if you don't want to earn your victory just summon someone. Maybe youll get lucky and a twink will join your game.
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>tfw you finally kill the guy that hurts Eileen in the chapel on your first play through of the game
Fuck, after I learned to parry him, it got easy.
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>>144993369
>From now on

Where have you been since DeS came out?
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>>144994938
Gitting gud :^)

Serious question though; if I create a cursed dungeon, can i then apply cursed to any subsequent dungeon I make resource free, or will I need to farm the resources again each time?
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>>144995638
If you make the dungeon you need all the materials for each rite.

However, once you create a single cursed root dungeon, you can join any other cursed root dungeon (even other areas; Loran/Isz/Ihyll) via glyph/search for free.
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>>144995971
Ah right, I guess that's why the speed run guide has you save it all till you can make a CRF Isz.

Thanks for the info. Guess I'll have towait a lot longer to get my uncanny LHB.
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I just took a minute to actually look at maria's attacks instead of just parry-spamming...

Jesus, and I thought the "walk left"-Beast was pathetic...
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>>144997246
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>>144997246
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>>144997246
>>
77 is the best metagame all-purpose BL.

Politely debate me people of homosexual orientation.
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>>145000215
Anything higher than 4 is just a crutch and stifles the importance of decision-making.
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Wow the french can't even come up with their own hud.

https://youtu.be/qUN_deqYEqc

Good job from.
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>have to go back and do all the side areas of older chalice layers just to go to the next area

I'm beginning to think this isn't worth the trouble
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>>145001614
Just make root dungeons.
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Why isn't Brador respawning on the bridge right after the lighthouse hut?

I need those armor pieces.
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lucifer is better than dris
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>>145002293
Brador stop respawning in the locations where you kill him.
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>>145002936
I didn't kill him there.

Also he doesn't stop respawning in places you killed him already.
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>>145002293
You can just kill him in his cell, that gives you the remaining pieces I believe
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Can anyone help me kill the Witch of Hemwick? I'm ringing outside her area right now. Isn't there something weird about this fight with co-op, anything I need to do?
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>>145003227
Stop ringing.

Go spend all of your insight then fight it again.
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What's up with those giant pillars off in the distance in the Hunter's Dream?
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>>145003227
I know you can do it anon, they're ez
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>Ludwig

Damn, forgot how hard he was.
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>>145004013
I didn't find him all that hard personally, though I'm on easymode Holy Blade 30 vit build.
Took me a couple tries but that's a given.

The horse noses his decapitated head makes are pretty great though
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>>145003798
I thought they were trees
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>>145001431
Will this be a gem like Lords of the fallen?
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>>145003327
Woah wtf
Thx for the tip
This is my first time playing I now think I have no idea what insight does >>145003920
I know, I'm just bad zzz
I killed the first witch super fast every time but I had trouble when the second witch would spawn and revive her and they'd start summoning 3-4 that I couldn't get through
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>>145004142

I'm pretty much using Logarius' wheel on him. yeahhhh it's tough.
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Someone school me on Bloodborne's lore. I'm new to the game, but this shit is more obscure than Dark Souls.

It doesn't help that there isn't a magical chick who gives you a magical quest to seek the demon's souls/lord souls/dark soul/princest twins like in the four souls games

Gehrman is somehow more unhelpful than every Crestfallen Warrior combined, even if he was a kickass fight
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>>145004013
I've only beaten him twice across two playthroughs, but I've found that once I get him to MY GUIDING MOONLIGHT the fight is basically won unless I git greedy (which I do).
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Anyone have a glyph for the 3rd tier Eye rune? The one in the google doc is for sinister Isz and I never bought the sinister chalice.
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>>145005158
It's the prequel to Splatoon
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>>145005158

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JL5acskAT_2t062HILImBkV8eXAwaqOj611mSjK-vZ8/
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>fighting a boss
>(family member) wants to use the TV

P C W H E N
C
W
H
E
N
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>>145005327
>once I get him to MY GUIDING MOONLIGHT the fight is basically won
It's the exact opposite for me, I can dodge all his attacks in the first phase flawlessly, but I ge hit constantly when he uses the sword.
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>>145006102

Every time I've lost to phase two, it's because I did something retarded like dodging directly into his HOLY MOONLIGHT SUPERNOVA while trying to do a quick attack
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>>145006052
I use vita tv when my gal needs the tv.

Make sure your ps4 is using the ethernet cable and the latency isn't that bad.
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>>145006259

I lose to phase 2 a lot because i get too greedy
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>>145006102
Try dodging counterclockwise against his second form, I find it's the most reliable way to avoid his sword swings.
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Why can't I shoot/throw shit at the shark on the ceiling past the Winter Lanterns? He's right there for fuck's sake.


>>145006914
>i get too greedy

Stop doing that.
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Doing burning hot dog on my fresh arc niqqa. Anyone want to carry? pass is bbg. Two runs would be great.
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>>145007168
To prevent people from oneshotting him and missing the Rakuyo probably.
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I seem to recall there being a BB edit of this. Anyone have it on hand?
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I have 2 questions.
1. How do I into 30fps?

As a PCkid, I can't help but feel 30fps is really tearing on my eyes, but bloodborne is a great game.

And 2nd: Is it worth playing through even without the DLC?
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>+20-22% gems for all my slots in a few minutes

Winter Lanterns are the best.
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>>145008668
The DLC is great and adds a lot of cool weapons but yeah you can play without it
It'll lessen your replay value though
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>>145008668
1. You're retarded. Deal with it.

2. Absolutely.
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>>145008668
1 - Play it for a bit, it's not that bad if you get used to it

2 - Yeah it is, was a great game before the DLC but the DLC is amazing so if you can get it do so
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>>145008683

If only I could fucking kill them consistently

It takes me four R1s to do it with my Reiterpallasch and my head usually explodes by the third R1
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>>145008668
>1. How do I into 30fps?
Play until you get used to it.
>2nd: Is it worth playing through even without the DLC?
I wouldn't recommend it.
The DLC is the best part of the game, and it has more/better content than any other DLC in the series.
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>>145008887
>better content than any other DLC in the series

C'mon now
The DLC is good but I wouldn't say any of its boss fights are near as good as Artorias was
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>>145008668

I mean, Chalice Dungeons are base game and they're basically the reason to keep playing long after you've finished with the game

So you don't really need the DLC, the DLC is literally Artorias of the Abyss tier

Adds a few cool things, a bunch of ballbusting areas, some new toys and fashion options, but all in all can be done without
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>>145008878
You have to get the parry timing down. That way the Frenzy triggers during the visceral animation and you take no damage.
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>>145009013
Orphan and Ludwig blow him out of water.
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>>145009027
>>145009013

O SHIT CONFLICTING OPINIONS REGARDING ARTORIAS OF THE ABYSS
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>>145009013
>I wouldn't say any of its boss fights are near as good as Artorias was
Found the guy who summoned for Orphan.
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>>145009013
They are though, Artorias was a great fight but that's nostalgia talking
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>>145009142
>Orphan
I could see the argument but Orphan just thrashes around a lot for the most part

>Ludwig
Easy boss easy life mang
Him pulling the sword out on you in the second half is cool but otherwise he doesn't do much special

I liked both fights but I wouldn't say they're as good as Artorias, in fact I enjoyed Maria more than either of them
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>>145008668
I saw some youtubers bb pvp compilations and i swear he is recording it in 60 fps. Dunno if his tv had something fancy built in for smoothing but i wonder if it fucks with your timing.
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>>145009207
No, I'm the guy who spent two hours fighting Orphan because I don't have PSPlus
Big difference
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>>145009351
Artorias is easier than Ludwig though, he's on par with Lady Maria.
>Him pulling the sword out on you in the second half is cool but otherwise he doesn't do much special
Artorias doesn't even do that, he only has one phase. He's a good boss, but also the most overrated. I place Sanctuary Guardian above him.
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>>145009351

Maria and Gehrman are objectively the best fights in the game, since they're not fights with dudes who are retardedly big, turning the whole scene into something goofy.

Silliest thing about the souls series is that it insists on having all the humanoid bosses be Father Gaston size or bigger, meaning you have to deal with a fight where you're staring at some dude's cooch for the whole thing

Where's the high drama?
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>>145009370
Could you link their videos?

I swear I would do anything, ANYTHING, to get rid of BBs terrible framerate.
If it was consistent 30fps, I could deal with it.
But it dips and spikes so dramatically.

I played DeS on PS3 when it came out, but it was nothing like this.
Is the PS4 just a bad machine or something?
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>>145009594
>Maria
>objectively best
What the fuck is wrong with you
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>>145009538
Artorias' difficulty varies pretty wildly based on build in my experience, but I think his moveset is just weird enough to be cool while also not having any weird bullshit in it.
The first and only time Ludwig caught me off guard with his half-the-arena-sized magic blast just felt weird and jarring.

>>145009594
Yeah I agree with that. I still think relatively-human-sized bosses should be the exception because they can definitely get old quickly, but they're the most engaging.
That's part of why I like Artorias. He's bigger than you, but not like 80 stories tall. Big enough to be intimidating and look non-human but small enough that your camera doesn't flip the fuck out.
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>>145009816

I think the only game on my PS4 that's 60fps is one of my idolshit rpgs
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>>145009895
What's wrong with it? It's a good fight
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>>145009932
>Artorias' difficulty varies pretty wildly based on build in my experience
Yeah, he varies from "barely a boss" (pyro/sorc build) to "very easy" (dex/str).
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>>145009351
>I could see the argument but Orphan just thrashes around a lot for the most part

He absolutely does not. At least, his thrashing is brilliantly designed to punish your reflexes.
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>>145009895
>can be parried
>can also parry

POETRY
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>>145010165
>can be parried
>that's all she can do
Lord Gwyn's secret daughter
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>>145009816
The framrate only gets fucky during co-op since the game deals with latency by halving everyones framerate for some retarded reason.

Most of the time it's consistent enough.

Frankly if you're going to be that much of a snob about the framerate you don't deserve the game anyways.
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>>145010127
>this man has never tried to beat Artorias on a pure faith build
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>>145009895
Not my fault you've bulled her everytime and missed out of one of the best fights.
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Do I just have to make one sinister chalice of any type to be able to use glyphs for all sinister chalices?
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>check OP for chalice speedrun guide
>youtube links

How the fuck is it supposed to be speedy if I have to watch a video?
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>>145011251
There's an option to speed up the video
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Does using Eye runes when farming watchers for gems matter? I mean, does it affect the quality of the loot or just a chance for items to drop?
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>>145012569
Only the latter. So no, it's not helpful.
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>>145012791
Enemies can drop more than one item.
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>>145012791
So what about farming chunks from wolves?
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Are there any good fixed location triangle gems in the main game?
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>>145013932
No.
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>>145010447
>Wanting a nice framerate
>Snobby

Sorry, friend, but wanting more than 12fps is standard.
I shit on any game with less than 60 fps.

I bleed for Bloodborne though, because it deserves much better.
Just think what it could do on a PC.
Smooth 60 fps, no framedrops. Just like DkS2 or DkS3.
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>>145013932
There is a 9% nourishing from under iosefkutes clinic if you consider that good.
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>>145004142
>horse noises

I can't imagine how awkward that must have been the in the recording studio
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>>145014507
The game would also be half-finished like DS2/3.
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>>145003798
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>>145014865
[muffled booming male chorus in the distance]
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>>145014641
>That guy that had to record Orphan's YEAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOs
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>>145014507
>Just like DkS2 or DkS3
I'm so glad that BB is not just like DS2/3.
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Why the fuck can undead giant OHKO me from full health with 30 vit?
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>>145014507
>I shit on any game with less than 60 fps
Shitposting belongs to >>145002232
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>>145014865
DEEPEST
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>>145015267

He can't, his swipe is a multi hit attack whose damage depends entirely on the number of balls that hit you

If you're within range of it, do not produce attack
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So is unorganized BB multiplayer dead now?
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>>145015267
That spinny move it does where it slams you with all its chains is all that'll do that. Which he'll basically do right after any other move if you're still next to him.

Gotta hit and run that nigga, let him slam his fists, take your hits, then back off while he inevitably does that spin attack and it'll be over pretty quick.
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>>145015520
Of course not.

Where the fuck do you people hear this stuff?
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>>145015586
/v/
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>>145015709
A well known source of reliable information, as always
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>>145016059
He wasn't me.

I just assumed cause it's gotten a little older and DaS3 is new and stuff.
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>>145016154
>a little older

You do realize even DS1 is kicking still, right?

The only game that died was DeS and that's because most fans of the series never even played it.
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>>145016167
>tfw I've been using Rosmarinus in my left hand for so long that I forgot how to parry
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>>145016436
Is it just a bad time for MP right now then? I've gotten summoned like once in 40 minutes.
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>>145016167
stop reposting, nobody cares.
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Actually is it faster to farm wolves or chalice bosses for chunks?
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>>145016436
>and that's because most fans of the series never even played it
Nah, a lot of people still play DeS, me included. When I play it the levels are still full of ghosts and bloodstains.
The online is only dead beacuse of the split servers.
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>>145016545
Where and what level?
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>>145016619

>no PS+

Woofs, because there's no chance of getting nuked from offscreen by a rom spider
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>>145016535
>needing to parry when you can KILL
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>>145016747
But i have ps+
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>>145018601
Chalice bosses then. Just pick an easy layer 1 chalice like 5pwu, kill the boss and remake until you have all your chunks
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Anyone got that Arcane build image? I was thinking of doing one myself.
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>>145018763
Whats the boss for that one? Ive got one with silverbeast but the lever run is a bit long
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>>145019410
Last link in the OP
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>>145018763
>>145019482
Also that glyph is dead
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>>145019482
Watchers. Glyph is 5pwujscd. Isz
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>>145019635
he shortened it for some reason

the glyph is 5pwujscd

pwmf22gu is a good one as well
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Should I cosplay Yurie or Micolash for my ARC build?
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>Defiled Pthumeru Chalice 1/2's your health.

For what purpose?
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>>145021246
FUN

DON'T YOU LIKE FUN ANON?
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>>145021246
Fun*
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Gotten pretty far through my first game, I was thinking I might try a STR/ARC build after this Skill one; any pointers for this?
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>>145021246
Casual filter.
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>>145021368
Put points into STR and ARC

WHEEL
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>>145021368
Level Strength and Arcane.
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>>145021368
Level up Str
Level up Arc
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>>145021368
Consider investing levels in strength and arcane.
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How do i savescum without a usb? Explain it to me like im a dummy, ive only had this ps4 for a few months.
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>>145020608
Yurie. There's a few Micolash's running around. Either way there's no bad choice.
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>>145021246

For men with steel nuts
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>>145021617
If you can't afford a USB I doubt you can afford PS+, so you can't scum it up like the cool cats
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>>145020608
Yurie because she has the better weapon.
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>>145021617
Way I did it was to upload my save to the PS4 cloud, then download that save again if the thing I'm trying to do messes up. Saved quite a bit of time with Eileen's quest
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>>145021309
>>145021325
>All of the enemies two shot me

YEAH THIS IS REAL FUN ALRIGHT
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>>145021637
>>145021772
Is it cool to stop at 70 ARC? I know that it's one of the softcaps and i'm too much of a shitter to go far below 40 Vit
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>>145021910
It's perfectly fine.
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Mergo's Wet Nurse seems pretty easy. Terrifying to fight, but easy. I love it.
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>>145022224
When the lights go out the rape begins, but it's only temporary.
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>>145021763
I'm not at home.
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>>145022224
I would have been pissed if I played the game thinking that was the final boss.
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>>145022339
Yeah, that's where I was repeating the Litany Against Fear to myself.

She got me right after that with her dumb spin-slash.
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>>145021246
For the smartasses who thought they could just Vit their way through the game.

I'm currently bashing my head against Defiled Watchdog, so I don't want to hear your shit.
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>>144997246
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>>145022561
The wiki says she's on of the three final bosses. What does that mean? Are Gherman and MP the others? Or are there two others you need to fight for them?
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>>145022814
Don't worry friend, I'm stuck here as well.
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>>145023003
Each one of them is the final boss on 3 different endings.
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>>145022814
>>145023109
Do either of you want a hand with that? I'd love to help, if you'd like.
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>>145023209
Oh, okay. So can I get all three endings at once then? Also, can I keep playing after I beat the boss like in 3?
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Do beast blood pellets affect tricked bloodletter/chikage?
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>>145023109
Evelyn?

>>145023269
I'm down. No password right now, but I can set one if you prefer.
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>>145023647
Gotta set a pass if you want to make sure to get me. Set it to bbg and I'll be there in no time.
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>>145023352
You won't get the achievements for each ending, but you will fight all three bosses if you fight Moon Presence.

And no, you can't, it's only NG+ from there. The endings are very finite.
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>>145023739
ringing.
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>>145023647
>Evelyn?

Nope, I'll ring my small bell though and help also. Then maybe y'all can help me.
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Can i summon people for the burning hot dog?
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>>145023924
Deal.
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>>145023828
Okay, how do I fight only Wet Nurse then? And only Gherman?
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>>145023530
No
>>
ARE YOU KIDDING ME. In the first minute.

Other guy, ring your beckoning bell. We'll rotate until one of us gets him
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>>145024082
After Wetnurse, you'll talk to Gherman and he'll give you a way to get out of the hunter's dream and wake up in the real world

Say yes and the game ends
Say no, you fight Gherman

But, if you use three of the umbilical cords you can find throughout the game, you fight the Moon Presence after you kill Gherman
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>>145023947
Yes
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>>145024276
Works for me. Lmao.
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fuck

I forgot about Eileen's quest until the moment Yharnam's post-Rom cutscene started.
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>>145024276
>>145024358
Got greedy, died for it. Hope you guys got him!
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FUCK GEHRMAN IS FAST
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>>145024674
We did it!

ROUND 2, FIGHT!
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>>145024289
Ah, okay. So after Wetnurse, do I talk to him immediately, or is that the prime time to fuck around?
Also, what happens after I kill Iosefka's imposter? Can I still send people to her clinic but they won't turn into ayy lmaos?
Sorry about all the questions.
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>>145024674
We got him. Let's try me (Moonlight Sword) again, without the stupid fuckup on my part this time
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>>145024686
Never underestimate the old man in any anime ever.
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>>145024715
Yeah, get everything done before you talk to Gherman. DLC, chalice dungeons if you feel like it, optional areas you missed, etc.
I'm not actually sure about the Iosefka thing but I think you just can't send anyone there anymore.
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There we go.

Do you need to kill him, Kassidy?
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>>145024332
howith
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>>145025184
Nah, I just like to help. Good shit there guys.
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>>145025184
Did you want to coop Layer 3? I'm a little intimidated by the idea of Amygdala in the next one.

>>145025270
Thanks for the help either way man. Appreciate it.
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>>144997246
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>>145025270
GG, friend.

>>145025378
I'd be down. Spending echoes real quick, need to stock up on vials/bullets.
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>>145025378
I would advise trying to take on the boss solo, at least a few times. It'll help you grow as a hunter.

If you decide after that you can't deal with it, I'd be happy to help then.
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>>145025018
Alright, thanks man.
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Wow screw Ebrietas. Those fucking charge attacks can't be dodged at anything but long range.
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>>145025613
Sounds good. We Can keep rotating until the host dies. I'll ring my small bell first and I'll meet you on layer 3. Kinda wanted to try the boss at least a couple tries solo first, but the dungeon itself is usually pretty annoying.

>>145025636
Yeah I plan on it.
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>>145025752
Yeah they're pretty brutal.
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>>145025251
Ring your Beckoning Bell and wait for a random. Or set a password under Network and hope someone here would join, like me.
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>>145025829
Ringing small bell.
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>Want people in real life to talk about Bloodborne with
>The school you go to is full of Xbox faggots
And yes, I'm 18 before you say I'm underaged for school.
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Which attacks on the tricked Chikage will stagger larger enemies?
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>>145026106
>want people in real life to talk about Bloodborne with
>everyone I've ever spoken to in my classes has stopped talking to me within a week no matter how hard I try

G-Guess this is what it's like to be c-console filth for once huh?
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>enough insight or killing Rom gives you the Eyes necessary to see the hidden great ones
>using umbilical cords gives you more eyes, allowing you to see the Moon Presence, the greatest one, so great he didn't even level Vit
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>>145025829
Welp, I was murdered by rats. You've got the door unlocked, so are you gonna try and solo the boss? If so, I'll just run and unlock the door real quick now that I know where the lever is.
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For those of you with cannon/churchcannon on your builds, when do you justify the bullet expense of using the cannon?
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>>145026443
>brave cooperator tries to help with watchdog
>gets rat bukkaked to death

Seriously though don't underestimate rats
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Would anyone like to help me with Amygdala?
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>>145026535
Yeah. Rats are a pain in the ass when you've got a heavy weapon.

Ringing beckoning bell Yecca.
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>>145026503

When shooting them in the face would be more satisfying than a visceral, mostly
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>>145026238
Is Moon Presence super easy or something?
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>>145026658
omw
>>
undead giant depth 3

he hits way too hard; pass bbg
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>>145026575
In case anyone is available, I'm ringing in front of the fog, password is bbg

I'll give it like 5 minutes
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>>145026923
Ringing
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I can't look at my stats where I am right now, so I went off of memory. I'm just starting NG++, so how am I doing?
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>>145027108
At that point it doesn't matter what your stats are anymore. You're fine.
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>>145026740
Out of the entire franchise he's harder than Allant and Teshanwdra, but Allant is just a punching bag anyway

Moon Presence is squishier and slower than Gehrman, who isn't even a great one, he's just a dead hard dude with a scythe and a gun
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>>145027108

Jesus. That's some big endurance.
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>>145027108
>BL 165
Whatever dude, just do whatever.
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>>145027108
>52 endurance
But why though, you stop getting stamina at 40, and even then you never need that much. You'd have been way better off putting all those points into your damage stats.
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>>145027108
>level 165
>strength is lower than mine at level 80

Oh
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>>145027443

His damage stat is clearly VIT anon
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>>145027093
Thanks anon.
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>>145027501
You're welcome ;)
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>>145027209
>Out of the entire franchise's final bosses

That is
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Alright, I've run through the floor and I'm ready to Host/Help on Defiled Amy
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>>145026965
Still there?
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>>145027209
I think it's implied that the Moon Presence is actually quite old/injured for a great one, judging by his gruesome, disemboweled appearance.

The were sever parts of the fight that felt like it wanted you to win, and that it was only fighting you as a test to see if you were worthy of becoming a great one yourself.

/Vaati bullshit.
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>rekt some faggot's summon
>he fucking disconnects

for what purpose
>>
OOP. Sorry Kiko. I had my Rune set to Executioner. Sorry about that surprise anal renovation.

I'll take it off.
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>>145027987
Now you know what it's like to play Dark Souls 3
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>>145027812
Yes! Sorry, ringing again, password is bbg
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>Chalice Paarl
I dub thee Lag Beast
Holy fucking shit why does it chug so badly?
Easy fight but so many attacks drop my FPS to like 5. Its like a slideshow sometimes what the shit.
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>>145028179
Ringing
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>>145028260

Because particles
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>>145028296
In front of the fog?
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>>145025936
Going there now and ringing, pass is going to be bbg
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OH BOY. I seem to be making a habit of getting my ass kicked on the first try.

Gonna switch my Rune so I don't show up as an adversary.
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>>145028713
>>145028550
>>145028296

>in three parallel universes, three very different men wander in a dark dungeon, ringing a small forlorn bell
>it's very damp in the dungeon
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>>145028735
Well, you're at least making the night entertaining :^)
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>>145025752
dodge through it
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>>145028862
Note to self: Don't leap carelessly into the jaws of death.
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>>145028805
>it's also quite hot

better take a layer off to cool down...
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>>145028805
>A vampire, a hunter and a space alien walk into a bar...
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>>145028713
Thanks Cinder, you down for one more? Need those fire gems for my arc build.
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>>145029195
>they proceed to violently gang-rape a young woman named Maria
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>>145029241
Sure, I might get summoned to someone else though, couple of people here are using the same password.
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>>145029241
>>145029357
Didn't know I had to rip out the chalice and start anew to get that boss again. Kinda new to this whole chalice thing. Gimme a bit
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>>145029075
Welp. Ded.

Ringing small bell Yecca.
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>>145029509
Killer Queen Seemed to be doing decent.
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>>145029560
That magnificent bastard always does. ;)
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>>145029560
Queen Killer is an NPC and also a fucking badass.

I'd recommend bringing him along.
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>>145029509
Ringing Small bell now.
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Anyone down for defiled watch dog? Pls halo

Pass will be defiledanus
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>>145029798
pass is too big
that's about the only thing of yours that'll ever be said to be too big
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>>145029798

Err the pass will just be defiled I guess
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>>145029490
Might be a little late to mention but you can remake the same dungeon without using materials using the 2nd option (I think Chalice Search)
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>>145029794
FUCK ME RUNNING BACKWARDS THROUGH THE WOODS WITH A HEDGEHOG.

I need to stop jumping into that fucking attack.
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>>145029984
why not just anus?
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>>145030012
How do I go about doing that?
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>>145030254
He JUST said use chalice search.
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What's the general strategy for hotdog? I'm trying to beat him early on my ARC build but my attacks are tickling him at best.
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>>145030040
Okay. I need to take a break. I'm actively losing skill as I get more frustrated.

I'mma make a sandwich, maybe take a shower, and then I'll try again in a half hour. Yecca and Wei, you keep doing your thing.
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>>145030332
How do I go about doing that?
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>>145030448
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>>145005158
What exactly do you want to know? The lore in general is a pretty big question.
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FUCK.

Well I'm understanding what you're doing now Wei'lani. Ringing my bell next.
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>>145029798

Pls I've been fighting this fag for like a day, the pass is defiled.
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>>145030425
Oh didn't see that, alright famagdyla. Guess I'll keep trying until my brain explodes. Wei, you still ringing?
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>>145030254
Go to an empty Altar and choose Chalice Dungeon Search. Choose the options that the chalice has like where is it (Pthumeru), what depth (Depth 1), and what rites (none). It'll bring up a list of dungeons and it's usually the first one.
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>>145030769
Yup, ringing already
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>>145008668
Im usually an fps fag too, but for some reason I have no problem with framerate on consoles because I feel thats its out of my control. You dont notice the framerate much unless you crank the camera sensativity up.
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Is pure arcane workable at all, or do I need something like STR to complement it?
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Jazabel. This is the second time you've helped me.

The hero yahrnam needs.
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>stomped by amy

sorry guys =/
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>>145031252
>Is pure arcane workable at all
Yes
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>>145021368
Depends on if you want to STR/arc or ARC/str. Level one or the other to 50 and leave the other at 25 or 30. Or you can do 50/50 and become the ultimate Wheeler with a surprise Tonitrus that does fucktons of damage, but you can only do that if you dont need no fuckin stamina and are okay with 40 or so Vit.
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>>145031632
There room for another? Defiled Amygdala is fun____ and I've been jonesin' for coop lately.
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>>145031756
>cainhurst summons
What does this mean? The spirits in the level?
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HOLY FUCK THANK YOU CINDER and Sera God damn. Quick question though, how many bullets did you have, whats your runes/setup?
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>>145032015
have you considered playing the game?
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>>145032015
I was in the middle of answering this when
>>145032183
popped up

That's a much better response.
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>>145032084
I just have 2 HP runes and 1 Stam. I kept blood bulleting everytime I used Executioners Gloves twice since it uses 3 each.
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>>145031860
I'm back (character name Angelica) and ready for more defiled Amy,


Folks still in need/willing to help?
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>>145032183
>>145032260
Maybe i'm just retarded but I really don't know what you mean.
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>>145032428
>Maybe
right man and """""maybe""""" water is wet
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>>145032508
Hold up I actually am retarded.
Disregard everything I said, I suck cocks.
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>>145032312
Ah okay, just wondering cause it worked out pretty well. Figured you had a ton of bullets or something.

On a side note, what Items do you keep with you from NG-NG+?
I assume you keep all of your runes/gems, what about Badges since they are Key items?
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>>145032428
The cainhurst summons is the letter you find in the sickroom that gets you to Cainhurst.
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>>145032674
you keep your badges
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>>145031860
>>145032386

You guys wanna help me with my difiled amy? Pass is defiled
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>>145032674
Badges yes. Workshop tools like Rune/Gem/Arcane Haze shit, yes. Shit like the key to UCW, no.

Anywho, Ringing a small bell near Defiled Amy. If nobody needs help, can I switch to beckoning and get a hand? He's kicking my ass.
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Liru happened.
Just thought you all should know.
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>>145032815
Ringing small bell.
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>>145032815
>Died immediately
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>>145033035
...still ringing? Are you guys already full?
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>>145033336

Nah second attempt after an emberessing first attempt got him.
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>>145033546
Okay...

Wanna help me kill him?
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Hey /bbg/, just started The Old Hunters.
What the fuck do I do about this tentacle-faced Executioner in Hunters Nightmare?
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>>145033619
run right the fuck past him. He doesn't even drop enough souls to be worth it.
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>>145033619
Run past him and the hunters, ignore him or if you want a handful of vials visceral whats left of his health. Its entirely possible for the hunters to kill him too.
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>>145033590
Sure thing, what pass?
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>>145033834
I set it to defiled to join up earlier, so let's just keep it at that.
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>>144990595
From what I've read hunter tools scale better from 70 to 99 than they do from 50 to 70. Yet to get my Mensis build far enough to crunch the numbers myself though.
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>>145033715
>>145033772
Ran past him, now there's a giant fucker sitting in a throne. I can't actually start this fight until I find his skull, right?
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>>145033965
Been ringing my bell for a bit now, you at the fogwall?
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>>145034145
>he doesn't know
>>
Fuck, I haven't died to that in actual literal months. Ringing again, for if you need it.
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Does wearing the Eye rune for farming the lone gun watcher for circular blood gems help? He always drops something but it's sometimes blood vials/bullets.
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>>145034717
I almost had him. Give me a sec and I'll call you back in.
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>>145034827
Yes
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>>145005979
>Rom created by Willem
>Maria surviving long enough to be part of the Church

I expected more from this given how some of you faggots prattle on about it
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>>145034887
elaborate
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>>145034717
YEAH YEAH YEAH!

Great work, bro.
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>>145035161
Big beast damage. Had over 5500 on the damage ticker at one point. Making me wish his stagger animation didn't glitch, I'd have loved to get the visceral with that high of beasthood.
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>>145034872
I've posted a few times about the Eye rune, so let me get things straight.
-The runes DO NOT matter when farming, ,say, the 3 watcher where a gem drop is guarenteed.
-But the runes DO matter when farming a regular mob, for a chance drop of an item off his high quality loot table.
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>>145035404
>butcher garb
>>
>BMA churchcannoned chalice Rom to death

Awww yeaaaaaah
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>>145036010
It's in tatters and covered in blood. What better for a beast? I'd probably use the Beast Hide Garb, but the neckline is too low and it makes my autism flare.
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>>145036323
>What better for a beast?

Ashen Garb, Brador's shit

it's like the only time armor stats matter ffs
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>>145036412
Yeah no shit, the context was fashion. Why would I wear Ashen over Butcher garb when it looks like ass?
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>want to go look at armor sets to have 'muh fashion'
>google 'armor sets bloodborne'
>wikidot comes up
>see this
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>>145036574
"There will be no sets of armor in Bloodborne."
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>>145036574
>unironically trying to use wikidot when glorious fextralife exists
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>>145036574
Wikidot went to shit since Dark Souls 2.
Unfortunately in this case Fextra is the way to go.
Their pictures are garbo and only show the front side, but at least it's something.
>>
>Go to Hunters Nightmare
>face Boom-hammer Hunters for the first time
Where do I get that marvelous HAT?
Also, where the fuck do I go once I reach the River of Blood? I ran in and got shot down my a mini-gun.
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>>145036932
>Where do I get that marvelous HAT?
Don't remind me...
>Also, where the fuck do I go once I reach the River of Blood?
Ascend the river of blood. Find its source.
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>>145037012
So past the mini-gun fucker?
Now that I know he's there, I guess I should avoid letting him chain me with that damn thing.
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>>145034954
CDs are a Nightmare Realm depicting the past. Yharnam is pregnant when we fight her and we find Bribri in Isz. Only others like her are Amy, who was likely found in the CDs by Mensis, and Rom. Rom wasn't created by Byrgenwerth, just found by them.

Maria killed herself after the Hamlet. Monacular her neck and wrists. Doll was created before the dream, Laurence was around when Gehrman beckoned MP, Church started after Laurence died.
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>>145037058
Ascend nigga.
ASCEND
You're going downwards
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>>145037058
>So past the mini-gun fucker?
No, but here you'll find a unique weapon for str builds.
If you want to make progress go in the opposite direction, where the bloodlickers are.
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Hot dog anyone? pass is bbg
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>>145037246
Ringing
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>>145036323
Gehrmans garb is objectively the best garb for beasts. Slick fashion, tattered up, and great beasthood
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>>145037135
>First Vicar of the Church
>Church started after his death

lelwut

Rom's a good point but you're smoking some strong green blossom the rest of the way.
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>>145037202
>unique weapon for str builds
I like the sound of that
>where the bloodlickers are
I do NOT like the sound of that.
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>>145037416
The church started with Laurence's skull. Obviously he set everything in motion, but it wasn't the Healing Church until after he died. I'll get the full quote from the interview with Miyazaki when I get home.
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>>145037695
Please do.

If the church didn't start until Laurence's death, then what was Maria doing overseeing the Church's Research Hall? Where'd you get the "doll was created prior to the Dream/Moon Presence beckoning" bit? I'm inclined to belive Maria didn't an hero immediately after the Hamlet incident and was alive long enough for the Church to form, since, you know, she heads the Research Hall run by the Church...
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Well lads, after going theough the Bloodborne Artbook I got a few lore points that I'm not sure are non-valid because the artbook is considered concept art.

According to the artbook:

>the giant ass graves in Forbidden Woods are Great One tombs. Are those there just as a sign or worship or is it suggesting a great one has died for every grave?

>Pic related, does anyone know japanese or have any clue what's up with that flail weapon?

>Moon Prescence is related to Oedon somehow

>Moon Prescence cuddles with the messengers :3

>Gherman's scythe is the actual "Blade of Mercy" (makes more sense than Burial Blade T B H)
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>>145037416
>>145037905
This has been discussed to death already.

According to Mitsubishi the church started on what they found in his head (pic related).

The Beast Embrace description further elaborates on this, and also mentions experiments leading up to the point when the church was established.

We find one of Laurence's skulls in the Research Hall, so he was very likely dead at that point. Even if he wasn't, though, Maria could've been the overseer of many of those experiments.
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>>145038421
The tall sword-wielding enemies in the Chalice Dungeons have a variant that wields a flail just like this.
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>>145037905
Maria in the nightmare realm goes down from her clocktower and takes care of the patients. They have nothing but praise for her even in their most pained states, even when wishing for death. That's not something people do for the person responsible for putting them in that state. She threw the Rakuyo in a well because she was disgusted about inflicting pain on people for the sake of evolution. There's absolutely nothing that suggests she ran the real life Research Hall, basides her location, which we know is because she's guarding the true secret.

Theres a doll in the Abandoned Old Workshop.
>>
50 vs 70 ARC? plan on using tools and parasite only
>>
>>145038757
50 Arc for Str/Arc hybrid, 70+ for pure
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>>145038819
Man I can't tell if I want to do pure or hybrid. Such a pain in the ass to decide on.
>>
>>145038421
The katakana next to the flail says "Rough Sketch".
>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBbfiB0JSeI

>>145038597
It's also possible/likely that it was Brador who killed Laurence after he finally morphed.
>>
>>145038757
50 arc for weapons primary, 99 arc (or however high your favoured meta cap allows) for tools primary
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>>145037905
Gehrman made the doll, so it had to have been made before using the umbilical cord since he's stuck in the dream after that.

>>145038597
One thing that's cool about this is that it proves beckoning MP did not cause the Red Moon over Old Yharnam since the lore note specifically mentions the Healing Church, but Laurence was around for MP, so it rules it out.

>>145039013
Yeah, this seems to be the most likely case, though there could've been any number of cleric beasts after him.
>>
>>145038597
>his skull started the healing church

Are you faggots serious. It's lost in translation, perhaps, but he's saying that THE FUCKING SKULL YOU TOUCH AFTER KILLING AMELIA shows you LAURENCE'S MEMORY OF THE EVENTS LEADING TO THE FOUNDING OF THE HEALING CHURCH.

>human skull exists only in the nightmare
He left Byrgenwerth, started the Church along with the others, then turned into a beast and got fucked up. He never died as a human.
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>>145038671
>>145038956
Thnaks m8's

>>145038597
I still think the whole "the healing church was started on Laurence's Skull is vague as fuck.

>>145038728
>Maria's "ghost" is attending echoes of the countless people she helped the church experiment on after killing herself and waking up in the nightmare

I can dig that
>>
>>145038954
How high are you gonna level?
>>
>>145039392
>I still think the whole "the healing church was started on Laurence's Skull is vague as fuck.

It's clearly a fucked up translation. It's probably just referring to the memory shown by touching Laurence's skull (after Amelia) being of the "start of the Church" e.g. Laurence & Co. leaving Byrgenwerth.
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>>145039339
>It's lost in translation, perhaps
kek
>>
>>145039620
You DO realize engrish isn't his first language, right?
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>>145039712
You DO realize how stupid 'it's a mistranslation' comes off as an argument, right?
>>
>>145039820
I didn't say it was mistranslated. I said it was a shitty vague mistranslation, and stretching it from the most reasonable explanation into "they found shit in Laurence's skull that we found in the DLC and started the Church that Laurence was a member of even though he was dead before it existed" is a little bit retarded.
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>>145039952
>shitty vague mistranslation,
shitty vague translation** hurr durr
>>
>>145039820
>taking anything not actually in the game as canon

excellent argument there, as well
>>
>>145039952
>stretching it
Why are you so hung up over the idea of him receiving a title posthumously? Do you have any clue how common that is in religions?

And again, you have absolutely nothing to substantiate that it's not meant to be taken exactly as its written, especially not when Laurence drops something in the DLC that is described as a foundation of the Healing Church.

>>145040184
And you're a fucking idiot as well. It's an interview with the director.
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>>145040321
>especially not when Laurence drops something in the DLC that is described as a foundation of the Healing Church.

Miyazaki is speaking in the context of Laurence's actual skull, not the Nightmare-human skull.

There is no indication at all that he'd suddenly switch to talking about a completely different skull.
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>>145040451
What?
What does the human skull have to do with anything? You get the Beast Embrace from beast Laurence during the fight. He says in the interview that the beast skull (aka, the skull he actually left behind when he died) served as the start of the church. There's really not much of anything to misinterpret.
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>>145040584
>He says in the interview that the beast skull (aka, the skull he actually left behind when he died) served as the start of the church.

Then post that quote. Because that one awkward sentence is certainly not saying that the object itself directly started the church.

And what the fuck does Beast Embrace have to do with anything?
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>>145036932
Go the opposite direction

Alternatively you can explore the cave with the mini gun guy more. I'm sure there won't be any nasty surprises or anything.
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>>145040727
Dude are you even looking at the thread?
>His skull served as the start of the Healing Church itself, but it's taken the form of a twisted beast.
There isn't anything awkward about this. Honestly I think you're just trying to pull things out of your ass at this point.

The Beast Embrace is a rune that's described as a foundation of the Healing Church, and Laurence drops it. All it's doing is adding onto that quote. I don't get what's so hard to understand about this.
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>>145041026
According to the previous anon, this would fuck up the timeline of Gehrman/MP/Maria/RH.

The skull took a beastly form while it was still part of the living Laurence.


>In reality he became the first cleric beast, and his human skull only exists within the Nightmare.
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>>145039587
I know translations aren't always perfect but the difference between the church started with the memory you see in Laurence's skull and the church started with Laurence's skull is a huge one. If you expect translators to miss whole entire words than unless you speak fluent Japanese all lore speculation is forfeit.
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>>145040584
Not him but Miyazaki's english is not perfect (even if he is the definition of an american weaboo) and it would make total sense that he meant to say the skull shows you the begginig of the healing church, a.k.a. Laurence promising not to fuck with old blood right before fucking with old blood.

Alternately, a lot of notes through Yahrnam tell you to touch the school to "inscribe the church's adage," a.k.a. "Fear the old blood," so it's also mildly suggested the skull has a property to show whoever touches it that memory, and it would fit in with Nightmare Laurence seeking his skull to restore or remember his memories that he somehow lost.

It could go either way.
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>>145041173
Living Laurence being a beast doesn't fuck anything up about that
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So, who the fuck is Micolash?
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>>145041679
Just some guy
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>>145041424
That is the opposite of what I said.

>>145041026
Have you ever spoken with someone who speaks broken English?

In fact, have you ever spoken with another person? It's pretty simple to understand their intent based on the context.
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>>145041270
>it would make total sense that he meant to say
Yeah, but this kind of speculation is totally meaningless. We have a quote, we take that quote for what it is if there's nothing that contradicts it.

>>145041821
Alright, I'll bite. What part of the timeline does this fuck up?
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>>145042131
>We have a quote, we take that quote for what it is

Your interpretation of the quote is equally as speculative.

Occam's Razor, my friend.
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>>145041821
I know, I'm telling you you're wrong and what you said makes no sense
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>>145042223
Assuming he meant something other than what was actually said is the exact opposite of Occams Razor
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>>145042223
But we've established that both the wording and the placement of a DLC item are on my side. If all you have to say at this point is "Well, but what if you're wrong?" then we have nothing to talk about.
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>>145030532

These are the things I understand:

Mergo, daughter of Yharnam, Great One babbies are always stillborn or fucked up little fetus things, apparently

The Pthumerians, a Great Race, but humanoid or human, probably corresponding to Hyperboreans, Atlanteans, or some other Great Race from our own mythology

The Healing Church, a bunch of worshipppers of Old Thing who also try to become them, because Knowledge

Things I don't understands:

Giants, who are also sharks
The Hunter's Nightmare
Layered dreamstates (the "real" world isn't any more real than the Hunter's Dream or the Nightmare of Mensis, is it)
Blood crickets
Ashen blood, the baffling sickness that ravaged Old Yharnam long ago
How beasts happen
The doorman... who was ALREADY DEAD!
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>>145042467
YOU established that your interpretation of the wording is on your side. Nothing in Beast's Embrace implies it predates the church, only that at some point early on it became a cornerstone of their ideology.
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So I was leveling up, not thinking I put 1 level into skill that was not needed, on my STR/Wheel Build, any way to salvage this or say fuck it and remake it from scratch

Also should I 50/25 STR/ARC or do it 25/50? Which is more fun.
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>>145043523
>any way to salvage this

take your autism pills and be one level higher than before
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>>145043523
forgot image.
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>>145043675
13 skill lets ya use the cannon.
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>>145042658
>Nothing in Beast's Embrace implies it predates the church
I'm running out of ways to say this.

What's important is the fact that Laurence specifically drops something referred to as a foundation of the church. We can't prove what kind of foundation it was by itself. This is why we rely on the quote to provide context for it.

So right now it's
>Exact wording and Laurence having something called a foundation on him as a beast
vs
>Alternative wording based on an assumption that the original quote was translated poorly and nothing else
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>>145043523
Do both. I'd say 50 arc more fun because tools and firegigs and bolthammers. But still, both.
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>>145043906
>We can't prove what kind of foundation it was by itself.

Laurence was the foundation. He left Byrgenwerth to found the Healing Church.
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>>145044438
um
That doesn't really have anything to do with anything.

As I just got finished saying, you don't know what kind of foundation this is if you just look at the description itself. Foundations can be established at several points in the lifespan of something.

Then you look at the quote, and you're told that something that was physically part of Laurence up until he died served as the start of the church. So, if Laurence has a foundation with him, and the church started on his skull, which is what the quote says, I wanna know how it could be anything other than one of the original foundations.

But that isn't even the central point of the argument, it's just something that goes well with the quote. It comes down to this - if no one can come up with a concrete reason for why the quote is not supposed to mean exactly what it says (putting it this way makes the whole thing seem so silly), there's no argument, and Laurence died before the Healing Church was actually the Healing Church.
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Are there ayys you cant lock onto as a mechanic?
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>>145045932
Oh boy
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>>145046837
this isn't souls, you can lock on to everything
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>>145046918
I was just in an isz root chalice and there were three of the smaller caster-type aliens, like with the tendrils coming out of their head. I wasn't able to lock onto them at all, while the non caster ones I could.
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>>145047620
I've never had that happen. the ones in the forest and the one by bribri were lock-on able
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>>145046918
Actually, there are certain foes that you can't lock on, at least until they actually engage you. Like the Loran Silverbeasts in Nightmare Frontier, when they're sitting down you can't lock onto them.
Doesn't matter much, you can still walk up behind them and visceral them.
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If I make a Standard Chalice WITHOUT the Shared Fixed Dungeon, will anything happen other than chances of multiplayer dropping to zero?

Seems utterly pointless to ever uncheck that.
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>>145047710
This makes sense, I was trying to lock onto them and snipe em with the bowblade. Ended up using the monocle eventually.

Also, I'm thinking of making a 99 arc build for my next play through. Anyone have expirience with that and how shitty sub 40 vit is gonna be?
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>>145048169
not really, that's why the added it in the first place.
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>>145044438
Anon, there's nothing in-game which states Laurence was the direct open founder of the Healing Church.

Let's look at the facts. Laurence was a member of Byrgenwerth and he was clearly regarded highly by Willem, given he sees his departure as a betrayal. The Healing Church's primary function, intentional or not, is to spread around the old blood. The Choir and the School of Mensis, both regarded as the upper echelons and councillors of the Healing Church, require people for experimentation and rituals; we find ourselves and Adella in the Hypogean Gaol and the only remotely successful experiment in the Research Hall we meet is Adelline; we are heavily cut with the old blood, and both Adella and Adelline are blood saints, meanwhile Fauxsefka's greatest subject for experimentation is the Suspicious Beggar; we can conclude that both Mensis and the Choir need or want people cut with the old blood, therefore the Healing Church spreading it around is intentional. And more than this, it's likely that even members of the Church are unaware of the cold truth since their leader at the time of the game, Amelia, turns into an insane, blood-crazed beast herself.

Now let's look at Laurence. He turns into a beast whilst trying to gain more insight through blood experimentation. That's not very Healing Church-y. Then when he's killed they discover Beast's Embrace. The words of a Great One inscribed in Laurence's skull. This leads them to conclude that neither Willem nor Laurence were right. It's not insight alone or blood alone that's the key. It's both. And since they require subjects cut with the blood, the Healing Church is born, born of Laurence's skull with Beast's Embrace as its foundation.

Or do you just find it more likely that Laurence genuinely believed that pumping himself with blood would let him turn into Moon Presence, and that when he turned into a crazed beast everyone else said, "Well let's just do the exact same thing and hope it works out better." ?
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>>145048242
If you're worried about VIT just go 70 arc, it's perfectly doable. Being honest tho I did most of my hunter tool pvp at BL 80 with 50 arc and a fire saw spear with shit gems. Easily the most fun I ever had in souls pvp.

I started feeling it a little bit with a strength build in DS3 but then I got 10 sessions in a row that were nothing but ganks with straight swords and quit a few days later.
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>>145048282
really, this shit ain't that hard to understand
>Hamlet massacre
>Laurence leaves
>Laurence and friends + bully victim do experiments and shit
>Bully victim gets bullied too much and kills herself
>Laurence and friends put Gehrman in the dream
>Laurence becomes beast
>Laurence gets killed
>his friends become the church and make him their first vicar since they literally used him to start spreading their religion
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>>145042638
>Layered dreamstates
The real world isn't anymore real than the Dream or Nightmares. But that isn't because the real world is false, it's because the Dream/Nightmares are also completely real. Yharnam is the human world that we are familiar with, and the Dream/Nightmares are alternate planes, and equally real.

>The Hunter's Nightmare
All Nightmares are associated with a Great One. When we defeat Moon Presence we get Nightmare Slain. When Mergo fucks off (dying or being freed) we get Nightmare Slain. When we defeat the Orphan of Kos we get Nightmare Slain. Just as the Hunter's Dream is a plane created/sustained by Moon Presence, the Hunter's Nightmare was created/sustained by the Orphan of Kos. It depicts twisted events of the past and serves as a kind of hell for the blood-drunk or otherwise guilty hunters. It's a fairly long story, but the cliff-notes are Kos washes up in Fishing Hamlet, fishfucks mutate/evolve because of the parasites in her corpse, Byrgenwerth and the first hunters go and rip their heads open to see what the fuck, Fishfucks get mad and pray to Kos for justice/revenge, the Orphan of Kos answers by creating the Hunter's Nightmare, trapping and torturing those hunters who are blood-drunk or just otherwise dicks.

>Giants, who are also sharks
Kos parasite mutants who are more mutanty than the other mutants.

>Blood crickets
The Pthumerians have special blood from being a Great Race as you've mentioned, and sometimes they and their descendants turn into them. Given what they are and what they do, we can assume it's what happens to those who get too bloodthirsty.

>How beasts happen
Too much old blood + moon = beast.

>Ashen Blood
I actually don't know much about the specifics of the disease. Given that Gilbert turns into one of the Old Yharnam beasts I'd speculate he had the same sickness, and he says the blood bought him time meaning he imbibed, but he's still sick, so the blood can't actually heal it. Make of that what you will.
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>>145048242
I have a 99 arc character at the moment, with sub 40 vit.

It's not the easiest thing pve-wise but pvp you fucking destroy people. Farming gems is CANCER though.
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>>145049721
>old blood + moon = beast
prolly also worth pointing out that there's more than one kind of old blood at play, which turns you into different species of shit upon consumption and moon exposure
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>>145048242
30 Vit 99 Arc here. It's not fun when you get to certain things, like some FRC bosses (if you go for them) and Orphan. It's not even that huge of a drop, but you still really feel it. But ultimately it's the pain that makes the pleasure all the sweeter. There's a reason Micolash and Fauxsefka are so fucking jolly.
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>>145049772
>>145049293
Is base end(12) okay? I've no idea how much stamina kos parasite eats up, even though I plan to mostly be using tools. Also how's it sound if I use x2 Formless Oedon (more bullets) + HP rune in pvp and x2 Formless Oedon + Oedon Writhe(restores bullets upon visceral) in pve?
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>>145050030
No it's not and no there isn't.

Fuck I hate browsing /bbg/ because of retards like you.
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>>145050107
I was actually thinking of naming it Fauxsefkute.
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>>145050116
I went up to 15 endurance. Seems to be just fine, no more or less. It's perfect.
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>>145050143
Easy there, I'm not talking about the difference between the werewolves and cleric beasts and reindeer because there isn't any on the blood level.

The old blood going around Yharnam isn't the same as the blood in Cainhurst. One comes from bribri, one comes from a Pthumerian Queen.
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>>145050431
>One comes from bribri, one comes from a Pthumerian Queen.
But they never said there's Old Blood going around at Cainhurst. There's Forbidden Blood, but it's never characterized as "old" and they even mention clear as day that Cainhurst had beast issues like Yharnam.
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>>145050578
They do mention that the Knights of Cainhurst hunted Beasts, but I guess they could've gone abroad to do that.
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>>145050212
If someone named Fauxsefkute summoned me I'd blank out. If they invaded me I'd do everything in my power to annoy them. If I beat them in a Fight Club match I'd make a webm of it and post it in /bbg/ and send them a message saying gg even if it wasn't a gg.
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>>145050107
>more than base vit
you don't know suffering
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>>145051197
yeah nah
I did chalices with 15 VIT, never going any lower than that.
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>>145050901
Let's see your super serious name, you super serious queer.
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Just noticed that durability down curses don't have any effect on simon's bowblade when using the tricked mode. Not sure if this is common knowledge but still pretty neat.
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>>144955453
This is how I interpret the Mensis pigs, they're the same pigs we initially fight in Yahar'gul, and they were sent into the nightmare first as experiments, which is why they disappear after Rom. And the eyes they have in the nightmare are actually the eyes lining their brains rupturing out of their head.
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>It's a Merciless watches episode.
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>>144997246
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>>145051763
>It's an "it's a X episode" episode
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>>145051763
Fighting these fucks for gems is the most depressing part of making a character
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>>144997246
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>>145051901
which is why I never bothered. Still got 1.5x the amount of hours out of the game than I did in any other souls game.
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>>145038671
Nah the Labyrinth Warriors wield a ball and chain flail, that concept art has a sword handle and look like a multi jointed peasant flail.
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Is it cruel to clap when the beckoner dies?
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>>144970978
rolling
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>>144970978
roll
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>>145053464
>red spiders.gif
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>>145052928
it's fine, and often completely justified
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>>144970978
Rollin.
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>Going through chalices for the first time
>Already level capped at where I want to be (100)
>Smash through pretty much all the dungeons effortlessly
>Sort of boring with the repeating layouts and similar visuals but there are some nice bosses
>Time for "cursed and defiled chalice" or whatever it's called
>Alright, I get it, things obviously getting a difficulty spike with the slashed HP but I'm feeling confident having warmed up from powering through all the previous chalices in one day
>Let's do this shit, senpai
>Light the lamp, step out into the room, into a seemingly harmless puddle of water
>See a familiar icon next to my HP/Stamina bar
>Try to remember what it means
>It clicks, OH NO
>It's fucking oil
>Panic and roll back into the previous room but I'm safe for now
>Try to use my monocular + bowblade to look around the corner, inching out
>Primed and ready for any of those little mooks standing on outcrops that throw molotovs like they are prone to do
>Inching still, bit by bit
>All of a sudden a fireball from out of the fog of what seems like no where wrecks me so hard, from 100 to 0 percent, that my internet disconnects.
>Log back in
>Make a run for my echoes
>BOOM fucking exploded again!

Is this where shit gets real, /bbg/?
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>>145054068
The layers are still pretty easy unless you're shit. The bosses are a ride though. Hope you know how to not get hit because you're in for a world of one-shots.
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>>145053879
>Cruel Fate
>Logarius' Wheel
>Rosmarinus
>Executioner

Wow, I actually was going to make this next. Figured I'd roll anyways, what are the chances.
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>>145052928
ive died to logarius as the beckoner.
if they clapped i would have definitely deserved it.
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fuck Ds3, seriously
they should just make more BB DLC forever
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>>144970978
Rolling for memes
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>>145052928
I think it depends on the situation. I'll usually clap if its someone I know or someone has done something stupid like get oneshotted by an arrow trap in a CD that they just saw me avoid.
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late to the bloodborne party, im 200 hours in (first time talking bout it in 4chan)

this game rapes ds3, dont even mind the framerate
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>>145057278
OK. Any other thing you want to talk about except game wars?
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>>145057418
>game wars
it isnt even a battle
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>>145054068
watchdog is a nightmare because he has random 1 shot mechanics that he does choreograph very well. hes one of those bosses where you just have to be patient. hell of a fight though.
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>>145057732
>random 1 shot mechanics

For example? I can't remember any.
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>>145057278
>first time talking bout it in 4chan

It shows.
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>>145059212
his hitbox is just really weird to me.
usuallly when hes about to charge helll do that little flame thing.
sometimes if you're within his hitbox hitting his leg hell just randomly charge with no warning.
it almost feels like caithurst hunter bullshit.
it doesn't happen every time but its annoying.
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>>145059717
He will always do that small roar before the charge attack. The only time he won't is when you have a phantom with you.
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>>145048242
32 Vit and 99 arc here. It makes every battle that doesnt involve vials very fast. The clutch moments where you have almost no hp and suddenly nuke and poke them and theyre dead. Latency is an even bigger factor than usual, but I feel like it more often leads to surprising hits than disappointed misses.
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>E3 in a few days
>tfw you won't get what you really want
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>>145060061
i usually have my headset on when i play so that might explain something lol.
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>>145061303
If you go in expecting nothing you'll only be surprised. It's especially easy to do if you're already dead inside.
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>>145061497
It's not really a acoustic roar but he raises his head in a specific manner.
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Anyone with a 50+ BT build try using the reiter + blunderbuss both +10 with phys gems on the reiter and flat blood atk gem on the 'buss. I figure the pokes would be weak but enough to get a bit of damage in, but mostly using it to parry. Then using the blunderbuss to do some nice damage with a blast right to the face. From what I've read using a 28% + 7.5 flat blood attack gem on the blunderbuss works well due to how the damage is calculated. Just an thought, I'm getting a bit bored of chikage/bloodletter/bowblade. Already have them all at +10 with decent gems (no offshapes) as well as evelyn/repeating pistol gemmed at +10.
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Anyone wanna help with logarius NG+? pass is fisk
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I came here to awooo at you
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Going to give a Bloodtinge twink another go, haven't used the chikage or the bowblade. How's this look with repeating pistol in the off hand?
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>>145062652
>28% + 7.5 blood atk gem
Which CD boss do you have to beat to drop that?
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>>145063837
Are you wanting to use the bloodletter at all?
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>>145063934
nah I got a bloodletter/church cannon build.
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>>145063837
Use base endurance.
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>>145063837
You might want 99 arc to get the most out of ayy mode.
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>>145063837
>>145063934
In that case I'd get bt to 25 for damage.

24/11/11/15/25/7
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>>145064119
thinking about it now

>>145064302
Would the evelyn out damage the repeating pistol at 25 bt?
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If Im doing a dex/arcane build, should I go 50/45, 45/50, or 47/47? Could also go 49/49 if I knock my End to 9 or my Vit below 40.
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>>145064396
Evelyn barely beats out pistol at 25 I think, but its so negligible its practically a style choice.
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>>145064396
Yes it will. Albeit not by much. Use Evelyn for parry and other general usage and if you need a heavy gunshot use BMA + RP. With the build I posted you lose 192 HP but the AP on your Chikage goes from +40 to +101. +35 to 88 on your bowblade. Like you noted, you also gain use of the Evelyn as well as the Whisssstle.
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>>145064995
Evelyn is pretty stylish, and I'm not 100% on the church firearm's sprocket design, too steampunk

>>145065031
>as well as the Whisssstle.

Oh goodness I forgot about the whistle, thank you I'm looking forward to this now
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>>145064905
There's no reason to keep skill and arcane even to each other.
-If you just want useful tools with your skill build, level skill to 50, arcane to 18 - gives you usage of supplemental tools like beast roar, empty shell & auger.
-If you want to use skill weapons on an arcane build go 50 arcane, meet the minimum requirements of whatever weapons you want to use (ie, 9 str 11 skl for Beasthunter Saif), make sure it's a fully physical weapon and not split damage like the burial blade or blades of mercy and then use fire/bolt/arcane gems to transform the damage from physical to the above desired type. 50 arcane here will also give you above average hunter tools, even though some continue to scale all the way to 99.

If you want to pvp 45-50 vit is highly recommended, though some people do well with lower. I also pretty much keep endurance anywhere from base to 15, depending on how much stamina my desired weapon uses.
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>>145064995
>>145065418
Also forgot to mention here that taking a weapon from physical to arcane damage using a gem will remove the physical scaling and instead use the arcane scaling. Such as a Ludwig's Holy Blade will go from B str/B skl scaling as physical - to an A scaling in arcane when gemmed fire/bolt/arcane.
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Which Chalice dungeons start dropping Triangles higher than 9%?
Or even radials?
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>>145065418
I wanted Arc for Hunter Tool damage and for the spray weapons, which I was planning on using with the reiter for funsies. Also Ive never used the Burial Blade or Blades of Mercy and thought they might be fun.
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>>145065683
>Radials
I think you start to find a half decent one or two in Lower Pthumeru and lower.

>Triangles
Isz

Just use Mensis/Hamlet droplets though since they'll still be a lot higher than anything dropped until FRC's.
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>>145065695
If you want tools for damage you need 50+ arcane. Reiter would be a bad choice for arcane as it cannot be converted to elemental damage due to the physical/blood split damage, despite it having a B scaling in arcane for whatever reason. Burial Blade and Blades of Mercy are full skill weapons. Despite the arcane scaling on those two, it hardly adds any damage at all, like 1 point of attack power per point of arcane. I'm thinking they added the arcane scaling on them in order to prevent them from being converted to elemental damage or using paper on them.
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>Hunters are known to infuse their mercury bullets with their own blood
>which boosts damage against beasts

So..

Hunters are selected by the messengers upon proving their resistance to the scourge through the ''Yharnam blood'' they transfuse. In the "bad dream" a scourge beast raises out of the Yharnam blood and is set alight upon touching you, a metaphor for your resistance to the scourge, so it's your blood that damages the beasts.

And yet they can maul you with no problem. Maybe it only damages them in concentrated doses?
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>>145065905
what in the world are mensis/hamlet droplets?

I'm up to Lower right now though, so I'll do that a little.
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>>145066272
Gems you can farm off Winter Lanterns at Nightmare of Mensis/Fishing Hamlet. Mensis ones go up to around 19% and Hamlet ones go up to 22%. Droplets can also be put over any gem slot so that would cover anyone needing a good waning/triangle for a while.
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I never bothered with chalices so I'm clueless here, but technically; Could I reach and kill Queen Yharnam before killing Mergos Whetnurse? Need it for a project tia
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look at those lips, /bbg/
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>>145066397
Oh of course.
Sorry, I knew but forgot Fishing Hamlet was even a thing and it threw me off.

Thanks heaps anon.
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>>145066148
Youre right. Im going with 25 Arc, 50 Skill, and 25 Str. That seems to be the most efficient spread for damage on those weapons.
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>>145066430
Its doable as long as you pick up all the materials the main game has to offer. Most will usually go to NG+ though since that unlocks some extra materials to buy for later chalices
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>>145066430
Sure can
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>>145066570
>>145066868

Cheers! I'm quite sour over the fact that they hid away an Important Boss in content a lot of people just can't be bothered to go through....But I guess I only have myself to blame!
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>>145066541
Why 25 arcane, if I may ask? What level are you looking to stop at? Just asking because you might end up too high if you want to play with /bbg/ in fight clubs.
Either way, you can level as high as you want if you don't really care about pvp in the /bbg/ range. On my first build I leveled over 200 and still was able to invade in mensis frequently.
Though, this was just a couple months after release so that has likely died down a bit. I typically stay below 120 so I'm not one to know about high level activity.

May you find your worth in waking world.
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Did we ever find out what the point of this thing was?
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I think the game is guilty of using false impossible geometry here, we should be able to se the orphanage (at least its smokestacks) to thleft of the Grand Cathedral

>>145067407
A pilgrim that got really lost on its way to Lothric
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>>145068389
literally don't lock-on and just hit the joints in its legs minimal effort required level boss.
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>>145068670
What? I don't find him hard. I always hit his moputh.
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>>144992764
>>144994032
>>144994258
welp, finally killed the Orphan fucker last night
for his second form you literally have to stay right behind his ass all the time to avoid his bullshit hitbox and even so, sometimes a left slash arches so fucking much it even hits you there
delivered the final blow with a visceral attack on my last fucking bullet, shit was intense

now that I have the Kos Parasite, what gems are the ones I want for it? it deal pure Arcane damage, right?
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What's the most annoying twink I could make? I was fighting the rifle spear hunter in cathedral ward on a bl4 run character, which took like 20 min. How could channel my inner faglord like this fellow? I could straight up imitate him but I won't have unlimited bullets like an npc does.
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>>145071759
I made a BL 43 bowblade character - just pure BLT. With endgame chalice gems you can just run around the forest taking potshots at people and knocking off like 50% of their HP with one arrow.
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>>144970978
i wanna
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Vicar Amelia aka V.A isn't my leader she's a beastly idiot who probably has no Insight :DD
Kos or some slug, grant us eyes.
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>>145066165
Gascoigne once hunted for Moon Presence. He's not resistant to beasthood. Even normal hunters, not MP hunters, use QS bullets. QS bullets can be turned into fire or arcane spray. It's just magic blood shit, that's all.
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there's something different about these lips, /bbg/
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God damn NG++ is a cakewalk, to be fair I'm mid game but still. I hear at NG+++ is when shit shifts into fourth gear
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>>145063527
R2 stronk indeed
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>>145074419
Even now my embarrassing defeat gets reposted, Do we still do FCs every Friday? I remember hearing one of our chalices got overtaken by reddit a while back, so did we find new ones?
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>>145074786
>chalices overtaken by Reddit
What? Why the hell would they do that, I thought they hated /bbg/?
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>>145074848
I just remember hearing Loran or Isz getting crashed by them at some point.
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>>145074786
Yeah we still do FC's at the usual time each week. Also that one chalice that got 'taken over'. Not anymore. We do have a new Pthumeru though.
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>>145074786
Saturday, 11.00 standard time, check the OP.

>>145074848
They do? I thought the BB communities don't give a shit about each other other than those big fc's with facebook as well.
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>>145074947
Yeah, that was a couple months ago. Salty people from a reddit tourney that dris won flocked into Isz.

Isz is fine now, though.
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>>145074786
I hope so, now that I'm back into Bb I'm gonna wanna rip and get teared
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So, an arc and str build the wheel is the way to go? I don't think I understand the wheel quite yet. The whole spinny heath drain thing
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>>145074786
every saturday, and yeah
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>>145074965
>>145075036
That's good to hear, I need to take a break from the constant off-hand ceastus parrying for a moment.
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>>145075240
We also have a Discord for all the gg posting and shit like that, I'm sure someone will post it tomorrow.
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>>145075036
>reddit being retarded as usual

tippity topkek
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What's gonna happen when Good Hunter gets too big to cuddle?
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>>145075732
Insertion.
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>>145075732
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Help me out /bbg/ what goes well with Gehrman's Hunters Garb?
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>getting killed by a large wandering madness
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>>145076081
Marias hat
Yharnam hunter boots
knight gloves
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>>145076081
Gascoigne pants
Tomb Prospector Pants
Tomb Prospector Glove
Old Hunter Hats
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>>145076279
>getting killed
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>load up bloodborne after 100+ hours of DaS3
>clothing looks detailed, thick, warm, worn, and inviting

I take back everything bad I ever said about Bb's attire, compared to it everything in DaS3 looks and cheap and the clipping is worse. Although the skyboxes in DaS3 are better made.
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>>145076279
>twice now
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>>145076356
RIP Charmander
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>>145076680
>mfw

Just you all wait,,,,,,
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>>145076851
Shut up and drink your blood, it'll go flat if you don't.
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>Thank you, mister hunter.
>I love you almost as much as mum and dad, and grandad!

kills me every time
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>>145076948
END that one crow
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>>145076356
>>145076365
Thanks /fa/
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>>145076961
Not as much as it kills that little girl!
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>>145076851
>Chikage user presses L1 to unzip
>shoot with blunderbuss everytime
>Chikage user is blocked out of his only good move
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>fighting Amy on my first ARC character
>wonder if I can hit his head with the augur
>I can
>it deals 800+ damage and gives me a free visceral chance right off the bat
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What's a reasonable level to stop at for chalice dungeons and NG+ galore?

I was gonna stop at 99 and have perfectly fine stats or whatever, but is it worth it to throw some points in for 120?

At 99 I will be
50
25
9
50
7
8
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>>145077597
98 is perfect for it.
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>>145077168
>someone spams blunderbuss whenever I sheathe my katana
>unsheathe and spam my evelyn for 200 damage a shot
;:^)
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Hey fuck you Patches I can't save anybody cause you're at every fucking door. Go fuck yourself
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>>145077693
>using evelyn
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>>145077597
98 is the popular choice around here, though no one will crucify you for going to 99
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>>145077693
>getting hit by gunspam
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>>145077597
Level doesn't matter. Stop wherever you want.
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>>145077681
>>145077769
99 it is then

>>145078024
nice try
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So how do you end up in the Hunter's Nightmare?
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>>145077597
99 is a meme stop at 120
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>>145078140
>nice try
What?
>>
My friend was a fucking dumbass and sold my foreign hood for like 200 blood echoes because I "didn't need it." Is there a way to get it back? I like to have all items for fashion.
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>>145078481
Nope. Get friends who aren't dumber than a bag of hammers
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>>145078887
It's not his fault, he has dyslexia. But yeah, in every Souls game he sells most of the weapons and armors and you get so little souls so what's the point? I think it's stupid and ruins fashion souls.
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>>145076447
Texture quality is overall worse than it was in Bloodborne across the board, which is weird since the game was developed alongside Bloodborne on the same version of the engine. Though i have to say the cloth physics are better in DaS3 because many weapon animations in BB woiuld cause arms to clip through the stomach and arms with many torso armors.
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>>145078481
Just use Tomb Raider hood.
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>>145077737
Get the tonsil stone, then go back to hunter's dream. When you come back the doors should be normal again.
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>>145078481
A shame. I'm not sure if it's restored in NG+ either.
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>>145078178
Drinking too much blood-beer
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>>145078481
>I like to have all items for fashion.
Guess who's off to the Hintertombs
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>>145066165
>Maybe it only damages them in concentrated doses?
More like, it only damages them when being shot into their bodies at 900mph.
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>>145077757
Nothing wrong with that
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>>145079052
I was being rude, sorry. I know people who do that, my cousin is one I've had his copy of BB for like a year now because he never got gud. But I'll never understand, souls aren't finite there's an infinite amount God knows I spend more time playing dress up than hunting beast
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>>145079851
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>>145077146
cruel and not okay
>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiGKhbG-tpM
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>>145075732
>implying you can't cuddle with a 30ft long tentacle monster
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>>145075110
There are multiple ways to go and Wheel is one of them.

Spin the wheel to gain increased damage (I think it goes to a 60% increase at full revs) for a short amount of time in exchange for draining health. Spin the wheel to celebrate a victory with a fellow good hunter. Spin the wheel to taunt a defeated foe. Spin the wheel to impress local females. Spin the wheel to alleviate boredom.
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>>145078178
Going fucking nuts usually does it. That or taking the eye of a hunter that has gone nuts and getting acquainted with an Amygdala.
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>>145079959
You weren't rude, don't worry senpai. I just think fashion is such a large thing, why even sell it? I'll make a new character eventually I guess.
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>>145080243
I've gotten stuck in some spots bad enough that I had to BHM out of there. I keep a few on hand just for the occasion.

I've also realized it is extremely easy to get out of bounds in various parts of the Cathedral Ward, even if it usually ends with dying.

I don't mind though. Still a 10/10 game.
>>
so now that DS3 is turning into DS2.5 how long until we get new bloodborne content
>>
What happens if I don't give her the jeweled brooch?
>>
>>145080886
She asks if there's anywhere that will take her in.
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>>145080803
About as likely as Armored Core getting a cyber Souls treatment.

But I want it so bad, everything feels so fucking slow in DS now
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>>145076081
Bloodied Trousers and Beast's Embrace
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>>145073683
>Gascoigne once hunted for Moon Presence.

I don't think so. He was a foreigner sure, but he became a hunter of the Healing Church. I don't recall any real sign that he was a dreamer, unlike Eileen or Djura, who made it very clear that they were.
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>>145079851
Explain please.
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>>145080976
>Armored Core getting a cyber Souls treatment
So, AC getting casualized?
It has already happened before.
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>>145080972
Did I mess up by making it nighttime? Because she only cries. I know the outcome is all the same but still
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>>145079052
>It's not his fault, he has dyslexia

That doesn't give him the right to sell your shit, he's a dick.
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>>145081116
oh fuck that's nice
>>
>>145081143
As of the DLC you summon him with the Old Hunter Bell, so he had to have dreamed at one point. Same thing with Henryk, Alfred and Valtr
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>>145081208
Hintertombs are an optional Chalice Dungeon. Very few people do them because they don't contribute to the main chalices and the rewards from them are mediocre compared to later ones. They have a unique boss fight which can't be done anywhere else and you get an armour set from completing it.
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>>145081354
Ooooh, what set? Is it cool?
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>>145081143
He can be summoned with the Old Hunter Bell. Old Hunter Bell only summons those who have passed from the dream.
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>>145081315
You don't summon Alfred with the old hunter bell, he has a different sign.
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>when you reach the Shadows on a new file and remember that one of the early brainsuckers dropped a shaman bone blade
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>>145081537
>needing one
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>>145081315
Oh crap. Wait... are you sure that's necessarily a sign that they were true seekers of Paleblood?

The Old Hunters of the Nightmare weren't all that, they were just hunters that went nuts with bloodlust.

Don't forget that regardless of whether you're alive or not in the waking world, your consciousness can still persist in the dream world (a la Micolash and similar ilk.)

So you're just summoning the consciousness of hunters that persist in other worlds, regardless of whether they're alive or not in the waking world, or whether or not they were beared the Mark.
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>>145081446
Madmen set and you tell mee

It's cool if you go full ayy lamo
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>>145081481
That's been changed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-CFp109SsQ

>Old Hunter Bell resonates with another
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Is there a viable Holy Moonlight Sword build or is it total trash?
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>>145081668
Shit bro, I'm gonna get that.
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>>145081668
>beast claws
>not the tendrils
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>>145081481
Yeah you do. It was different prior to the DLC since there was no old hunter bell, but since then it's been changed.

>>145081638
All that being called by the Old Hunter Bell means is that you were a dreamer at one point. Whether or not they were looking for Paleblood/the ritual doesn't really make a difference since that's not the main point of the dream, it's the main point of the hunt you're on.
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>>145081638
>One of the resonating bells that cross the gaps of worlds. This bell is cracked and stained with the blood of beasts.
>A human must expend Insight to ring this uncanny bell.
>The old hunters, who have long passed from the dream but cannot forget the feeling of the hunt, rely upon messengers to relay their thoughts.
>Ring the bell at their side, and they are certain to give a listen.
>For the night of the hunt is long, and unchanging.

Long passed from the dream but cannot forget the feeling of the hunt. They all hunted for Gehrman/MP once upon a time.
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>>145081231
If by nighttime you mean post-Amelia, yeah she's done.
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>>145081726
It's one of those weapons that are mediocre at lower levels but do massive damage at high levels.
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>>145081843
>>145081872
Christ, even the Madara twins then?

Do you think most of them even remember they dreamed?
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>>145082042
>>145082042
>>145082042
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>>145081832
From the wiki so you can't expect cohesion
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>>145081948
Well, you're not supposed to remember the dream at all, so no. The only reason why Djura and Eileen have any clue about it at all is because they've had contact with dreaming hunters.
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>>145081948
What part of cannot forget do you not understand?

Eileen and Djura remember, so make of it what you will. It's possible some just do think of it as a crazy dream, given most of them likely didn't go as far as we did (i.e. uncovering the secrets of Yharnam, then killing them all).
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>>145082181
>Well, you're not supposed to remember the dream at all
You are, the doll makes it clear.
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>>145082229
>>145082276
They can't forget the feeling of the hunt, not the dream. You're supposed to forget the dream when Gehrman kills you.
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>>145082229
It says they "can't forget the feeling." I think that wording is important. It's more of a reminiscence for most.
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>>145082321
>They can't forget the feeling of the hunt, not the dream

From the doll's dialogue:
"And let this dream, his captor... foretell a pleasant awakening...
Be one day... a fond, distant memory..."

With "forget the dream" he meant "get over it".
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