/evn/ - Summer Fling Edition

why are that girl's breasts trying to escape her body

>>144595143
Have you seen their fucking faces? I'd get away too.

>>144595143
Even her breasts can't stand the embarrassment of being in an AJ Tilley game.

>>144595143
I think the reasoning is clear. I mean, did you not see the screenshot?

Kasumi has a contagious boob inflation disease. Saeki is confronting her over it and Kasumi is apologizing.

It's not enough, though.

It's never going to be enough.

Saeki is going to make Kasumi pay.

Also, I can't get over the idea that the girl on the left has mermaid ears. I know it's supposed to be a bow, but it's more interesting being mermaid ears in an otherwise normal setting.

>>144595206
>>144595256
>>144595338
i was going to ask why the other one had a mer-person's ear, too, but then i realized it was a ribbon

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>>144595338
>breasts swollen with pus

>>144595476
It might actually be mermaid ears. Remember when he put a demon girl in an otherwise normal setting for Beach Bounce?

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>>144595476
>>144595510

Here's the post about Phantom the Rebound being an Aki Sekai scam for anyone who missed it.

http://linalangley.com/2935-2/

Also, freelancers should have more common sense than this.

Why do we always get a burst of post with a new general but let it reduce to a pitiful spasming thread on its death throes by the time we reach the end.

Think JP will review Sakura Dungeon? I know he said he's done with the series, but this one has gameplay and is supposedly the best Sakura game yet.

Will Highway Blossoms be the savior of yuri evn?

>>144597143
anyone here actually reads his reviews?

>>144595784
Yeah, is there any warning sign that writer didn't cheerfully ignore?

>>144597273
>kinetic novel
The only thing its saving is me, from my sleep deprivation.

my name is manhae. am working on visual novel for stem grinlight
is called phantom menace
need writer, musician, money
i pay after project done. sign here

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>recommended reading via vndb
>lucid9 is on the first page

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>>144601310
>recommended
>reading
>existence
>green

You can't do it.

>>144605161
I am doing it!

>>144597349
I love him. He's an intelligent reviewer, his reviews are on-point, they're witty and honest. I can't wait for him to shit on winged shit again.

>>144605161
You're right. I should never have even considered pursuing my dream.

>sadly goes into the back yard and releases the llamas.
> "Be free..."

>>144595784
https://twitter.com/manhaepark
He seems to have started since Feb 14th and has $188 on patreon https://www.patreon.com/user?u=2694780&alert=2&ty=h
If this guy is aki sekai/omniknight, then he's having a field day rn

>>144595784
>He said he didn’t have any start-up capital. He said I had to work for royalties. I thought, “Whatever, visual novels are cool. I’m just excited to be part of this.”

That's where I'd have cheerfully noped the fuck out of there.

reeeeeeeeeeeee

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2921787/exogenesis-post-apocalyptic-tokyo-adventure-visual/comments

So kwan's back after six months of diabetically-induced existential crisis.

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>gameplay is too garbage to carry the story
>story is too garbage to stand on its own
>can't justify spending time on a pointless shit game
>main project is probably also shit but I can't see it

>>144614093
You can't finish anything with that attitude boy. Believe in your own fucking story.

Who yaoijam here?

>>144614910
Yeah. Procrastinating tonight, like a dumbass. Still have a few hours left before I sleep, so might pull my thumb out before bed.

>>144615093
You can do it, anon.

I couldn't get any work done the past four days, was out of town. Shit sucks.

How's your workload looking?

>>144615238
Technically, I'm still about 4 days ahead of schedule, I guess.

According to my vague idea of my schedule, month one is for the first draft of the script and if I don't feel like writing, then I should at least do concept art/sketches. Month two is putting together the placeholders and script and then replacing the placeholders. If there's any time left over, I get to try the non-essentials. Not doing anything fancy with the coding, so hopefully I can finish everything I want.

Sorry to hear you were out of town. You feel like you're still on track even so?

>>144615681
I'm one half of a two person team.

The partner's been spectacular about their workload, so now I feel even worse.
Just gotta go and catch up.

>>144615780
Nah - don't feel bad. Presumably you both knew in advance you'd have to go out of town. The other half trucking ahead just means that you have something to work off of instead of both of you having a cold start. You can play off of what they did and probably end up much more productive.

My game contains loli, futa, traps, milfs, monsters, and little sisters. Can I market it as diversity?

>>144616590
but does it have black people

>>144616590
you can't market it as anything if it has loli, unless you live in gook land or some weird scrubby place.

>>144616590
of course, don't forget "trans visibility" and "sex positive" :^)

>>144616976
>black people
Of course not. Even I have my limit. You might as well have me add Muslims and Canadians too.

>>144621423
Who wants to fuck something with a flappy head?

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>I wonder if there are decent EVNs on android...
>They're probably shorter and a bit different because they're supposed to be read on a smaller screen but that's okay, right?

I wish I had never looked.

>>144623461
elaborate, I can't be arsed to google it with such a retarded title

>>144621423
Canadian here,
I'm officially apologetic for whatever we did to deserve this
Best wishes
-take care

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>>144623687
Turns from slice of life with a dash of mystery in the first episode (only one that's free) into an full time SJW advert by the fith one. Choice don't carry over between episodes, so the writting is pretty ambiguous when it comes to previous events, and choices don't really seem to matter at all.

I feel sorry for people who actually paid money for this. Or perhaps this is actually a pretty elaborate joke.

>>144624309
gross

>>144624309
Head... what?!

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>>144624481
>>144624845
Blame Canada!

>>144624845
Headcanon means things you the reader/viewer like to believe about characters in a story that are not explicitly stated to be true. Sometimes it means it's a theory which COULD be true. Sometimes you know it's not the case but this is the version of events that you prefer to think about.

It's most commonly a shorthand way of differentiating when you're talking about the official canon and when you're talking about your opinions/desires.

Many people headcanon that Elsa in Frozen is gay. It's not actual canon.

>>144623707
You bumped the age of consent up from 14.

>>144625425
You can probably get an exception if your religion says it's okay. People already get to bring knives to school for that reason, after all.

>>144601109
When can I start?

>>144606129
>Manhae is creating Visual Novel

Director / Producer: Manhae Park
Artists: DMiTH , Jacky, Satya, 53C, Dearyon | Le |Kuro | Muhammed, Ngo Cia | Tan | Yut Hon
Writers: Eamonn, Kevin Guo, Lina Collin | John Banda | Jackwagon, Cynthia | Dimas | Peter W | Jakub
Programmer: Isaac Garcia, Dobrescu George, and XPerfectSuicide
Music Composer: Matthew | Billy | Aru Aru | Andres | Nagai

I wonder if any of these are real people or actually work for him.

>>144627172
>Muhammed
>Jakub
>Dobrescu George
>Jackwagon
>Cynthia

kek

>>144625083
I don't know if I find it more irritating that people would feel the need to give it a stupid name, or to use it as a verb. Or that there was no hyphen in there.

I'll blame Canada.

>>144627468
I don't get the joke.

What's with everyone and Canadians in this thread? Are they making some serious CVN project I don't know about?

Would anybody happen to know where I could find Visual novel sprites so I could fool around on tyrano builder, without having to rip them from vn's myself?

>>144629587
Cuck Visual Novel? Yeah, that's how Canadians roll.

>>144597273
One can only hope. At the very least it looks like it's going to be better than the Human Reignition Project demo.

>>144629790
http://www.spriters-resource.com/genre/visual_novel/

>>144630049
Co-produced with Sweden

The Phantom the Rebound scam is getting even better. Someone claiming to have worked for Aki Sekai says that he's not behind the second scam kickstarter, another scammer is. Though he can't explain why Aki Sekai's patreon is still actively collecting money for the project. This sounds like bs and for all we know this employee could be Aki Sekai himself. Look up user Dubisek on reddit for his complete list of bs.

>>144633381
there was a post on the 'visual novel developers' facebook page about this, it's the exact same guy. someone posted a lot of proof and screenshots.

honestly you'd have to be as dumb as people who think dharker studios isn't ajtilley anymore.

>>144633740
He's trying to blame Lost Fables AKA I.C.E group AKA NOVEL TEA GAMES, who made the Runeous vn, as being the one responsible.

>>144633740
>>144634126
what a confusing fucking web of lies
let's just kill him

>>144635538
fools, he will rise again more powerful than you can imagine

>>144635631
>omniknight, AJtilley and tyranobuilder are the three prophesized heads of the beast
we have tons of false messiahs too
shit, it's going down

With all the scam vn crowdfunding efforts, I'm surprised that crowdfunding platforms just don't ban vns.

>>144636240
You think other crowdfunding types aren't equally full of scams and nonsense? VNs have never gotten near the drama of some of the really big scams. We're tiny.

Sakura Dungeon is the most controversial Sakura game to date. People have been reporting it to Valve to its content (that they assume they know) and its 18+ patch left and right.

>>144639551
How do you know what's being reported?

>>144639979
People on the Sakura Dungeon forums have been talking about it. People have started bringing up Sakura Dungeon in the Steam review thread in order to get it removed.

>>144639551
Why?

>>144640693
Normies hate anime boobs

>>144640693
>These anime girls with huge boobs must be children!
>Why is porn allowed on Steam?

>>144640803
>that feel when in [current year] 'normie' has replaced 'normalfag'
Fucking riajuus

>>144640803
>most controversial Sakura game to date
Can't be only the anime boobs.

>>144641284
I wonder if all the yuri rape has something to do with it? And some people insist the characters depicted are underage, so...

>>144641284
It's an RPG, so it gets noticed by more people than things corralled into just the visual novel pen? It was released 18+ before the Steam version, making the initial reaction more hostile?

>>144640693
Because it's good.

>>144641465
>underage
>every character has at least a G-cup
okay?

>>144641973
Some people think all anime is aimed at pedophiles because of the big eyes, this shouldn't be new to you.

For that matter, oppai lolis are a thing.

http://www.polygon.com/2016/6/6/11866400/no-you-shouldnt-work-for-a-16-year-old-kid-for-no-pay

>>144642825
But how will I get exposure?

Should I get a publisher? Is 80% the going rate for a publisher?

Should I relinquish all rights to my work in the contract?

>>144643065
You should strip naked and climb a building holding a banner for you game. The news coverage will ensure your success.

>>144643182
I'll do it! Next time you see someone doing something colossaly stupid on the news, that will be me.

>>144643182
Thanks, I'll get right on that. But I won't do it naked, I'll wear one of those old-fashioned Japanese underwear, the Fundoshi.

https://jlist.com/category/apparel-cosplay/cosplay/mar026

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I love Wanaca's art and you can't stop me.

I'm not going to play the game because it's yuri and also not voice acted, which is an absolute must for porn, but I did look through the assets. The decensor patch actually makes some of the CGs less hot, like one with a fox spirit that's got a charm slapped on her no-no zone that just gets removed with the patch.

>>144644564
>I want EVNs to look like low budget jap shit

Why even bother with a separate thread?

>http://winterwolves.com/heirsandgraces.htm

i guess this is out? this is the second time i've been unsure if something from him was actually out, the other time being PSCD

>>144644564
>on her no-no zone
It's called a cunt, vagina, pussy, fishy trap, camel toe, etc

>>144644768
That's not what I said.

>>144645175
No, they taught me about it in sex ed. It's the no-no zone.

>>144645175
Please don't trigger <3rd person pronoun of choice>.

>>144645174
It's listed as released on vndb, and he tweeted about it 10 minutes ago.

>>144644564
Charm pasties are the best.

>>144645174
:^)

>>144645174

there's no accounting for taste, but good god, those sprites.

>>144647263
That's from the guy who thought PS:CD's art was good instead of nightmare inducing.

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LewdGamer posted an article for my visual novel out of nowhere. Was a nice surprise to see since I was already getting ready to write something up to send to them to see if they would cover it.

I-I hope people enjoy the demo. ;_;

>>144647826
when's the qc

you need to give people quality masturbation material

List people for me to avoid recruiting on lemma.

>>144650526
Oh, this is going to end well. No one is going to joke-mention someone who did nothing wrong, no siree. This isn't going to result in drama at all...

Don't make retarded requests like that.

>>144650526
What's your username?

>>144651010
Narutofan97

>>144650863
Drama is the lifeblood of /evn/.

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>>144651358
>tfw you're an unknown factor with no presence

Try and drama me you cunts you fucking can't

>>144651551
>that pic
Are you from /intl/?

>>144650526
PyTom
Blue Lemma

I want to create a vn like my hero, AJ Tilley. Where do I start?

>>144653791
Who's Blue Lemma?

>>144654520
They cofounded lemmasoft, have you ever been to it?

>>144647826
Trust me, it's not out of nowhere. We have eyes in a lot of places. Keep up the good work.

>>144647826
Wow, how much did that tweet cost you? 30% of your income forever?

>>144656170

Why would it? Lewdgamer doesn't pay its writers :^)

>>144654748
He didn't co-found it. Lemmasoft used to be his site and he gave PyTom a portion of the forums for Ren'Py, then that portion took over the rest and after some time of inactivity Blue Lemma stepped down from any sort of moderation.

>>144647263
What do you not like in particular?

What are some sweet strats to avoid death for 6 turns in Mask of Arcadius?

>>144658650

The jaws are horrible. They make all the characters look like the have an overbite.

What will you revolutionize /evn/?

>>144664683
black sands

>>144660330
I'd agree with that, I was wondering about the protagonist and his father, since they seem to be the worst and they're related, I guess they got shit genes.

Is the coloring and the rest fine?

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Posting progress.

>>144666217

I really like the coloring. To me, it's a case of the artist not having good fundamentals and trying to cover the mistakes with pretty colors (if you look at the thumbnails of the gallery, the anatomy is much better there).

>>144667069

Looks much better than the sketch. The tits actually look like they have weight.

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>>144667069
I'd rather post hot yuri.

Why isn't scantily clad one the love interest?

>>144667069
This looks quite nice.
When is your game coming out, again?

>>144667230
I think it's thanks to the shading, it adds depth.
>>144667514
Because gotta have the one true couple, having multiple love interests isn't pure!
>>144668172
Going to launch KS in early Jan and release demo in late Dec to start the greenlight process.

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>>144668718
>having multiple love interests isn't pure!

To quote Devon from The Reject Demon: Toko

>I always knew that purity was overrated

>>144669893
Oh so can you get multiple dickgirls? I assumed it was just nadia.

https://twitter.com/Raithfyre
The Hideo Kojima of visual novels.

>>144670917
1) Toko's not futa, at least as of what's been released so far.

2) Devon is the MC's sister, not a love interest. Nadia is Toko's only love interest. Devon, however, is a bi-slut.

>>144671015
Someone brought that up a bunch of threads ago and said it was from shitpost on here even longer before

>>144668718
>having multiple love interests isn't pure!
Is it worse when you have multiple love interests and they're all so pure they never get past hand-holding?

>>144671572
>Devon is the MC's sister, not a love interest.
Fucking dropped.
>Nadia is Toko's only love interest.
Dropped even harder.
>Devon, however, is a bi-slut.
Dropped so hard it caused a crack to open up in the center of the Earth.

>>144671812
That's just disappointment waiting to happen. At least give them a passionate kiss.

>>144671812
Nah, its cute and there is a demand for it. Plus it inspires tons of lewd fanart/doujins.

>>144671921
Do you have something against airheads and bi-sluts in your yuri?

You should read it anyway for the Ginxhou/Toko bromance. (Is there a word for female bromance?)

>>144672052
>ALLP lewd fanart when

>>144672557
Sismance?

>>144672557
Nah it's just that I don't find Nadia's design appealing at all, so if she's the only heroine on offer then I have no desire to play it. It's disappointing because I did find Devon attractive, but I guess not everyone is comfortable with writing fictitious incest.

>>144672557
>>144672904
womance

>>144672557
>>144672904
Google tells me it's womance, woman+romance. I'm going to keep using bromance, since the other 2 options sound stupid.

>>144673192
sounds too much like an angstmance to me

>>144673185
It looks like there's going to be loads of characters so I wouldn't be surprised to see more couples show up. The next 2 chapters are supposed to focus heavily on 2 other bands on top of the chapter 0 cast.

>>144673185
Comfortable with writing != comfortable with publishing/selling. There's a lot of stuff I'd write on, say, AO3, that I don't dare put in games for sale.

Severely underage incestuous rape + impregnation fanfic? Sure!
Put that in a game? Are you nuts?

>>144671921
It's a kinetic novel, what did you expect?

>>144673637
You could sell your incest rape game on MangaGamer under an alias.

>>144673997
Not him, but kinetic doesn't mean only one love interest. It could be a harem, or they could break up and the MC could see other people. There's also the possibility of love rivals showing up, like the Citrus manga. That angel singer seemed really into Toko for example.

>>144674217
What I was
>implying
is kinetic novels are usually done as lazily as possible, which means you usually get a sub-par short story, and slideshow to watch while listening to the soothing sound of a piano falling down a flight a stairs. And a focus on the most boring person in the entire story as the single LI.

>>144674649
Kinetic novels are truly the most boring format, I don't get why anyone would want to write one.

>>144674802
Yes, please.

>>144674049
Hard to hire people to work on it with bags of cash in dark alleys so none of them can betray me.

>>144674882
To be fair, it's not like LupieSoft's VN was any good either.

>>144674802
Looks tasty

>>144674882
Do you complain that you don't get to pick the ending to your favorite TV show? A story can be good or shit, but it being kinetic has nothing to do with that.

>>144675419
I'd be kinda upset if some genius started to air tv shows without audio or visuals, and tried to sell it to me as a valid alternative.

Or a show that forgoes any kind of script and is basically just a CC feed monitoring random people 24 hours a day. Fuck, they already did that.

>>144675819
But that comparison is garbage

The vast majority of stories are entirely linear, and just because it's possible to create branches through visual novels doesn't mean that branches are inherently better

There's nothing to act superior about

>>144674649
AJ Tilley's games have choices and they're as lazy as you can get. What's the point of routes if they're all shallow or poorly written? Going by wordcount, it also means you get a less in depth story, since the game tells several much shorter ones.

>>144674882
KNs can be good, but they demand more from the writer, and too many people interested in these anime games don't know how to write.

Also, if you as a player are into these games to be catered to with a buffet of love interests, KNs will seem pretty pointless.

>>144671015
Alienworks, or at least Raithfyre, and Unwonted Studios are working on a Steampunk yuri game.

https://twitter.com/Raithfyre/status/738863701076246528

>>144678083

how many projects does unwonted studios have going right now, jesus

>>144678083
OH BOY
can't wait to see this trainwreck unfold!

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Apparently this is a boy

>>144681797
So that's what happened to Korra once her show ended.

>>144639551
Why are there so many plebs on steam? Shouldn't the younger generation that grew up with the internet be past all this puritan bullshit?

>>144682134
Steam is for posturing and showing off how manly you are. Beating up weeaboos enforces status.

>>144682134
Today's progressives don't like "problematic" content. In many ways they're worse than the conservatives.

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>>144681797

Some of the yaoijam wips are making pretty questionable design decisions.

>>144682671
What fixes would you suggest for this?

>>144683496

For one, change the font color. There's nothing in this world that justifies having a such a bright color in text you'll be reading for hours.

>>144682671
The guy in the front looks like he's pregnant.

It feels like I've been seeing more Steam customers wanting voice acting in VNs lately. Does anyone else think this too?

I don't understand why people expect it when most devs can't even afford decent VAs. What's the point if most people will just mute them because they don't like it?

>>144688451

It's because they think they'll get japanese level VAs.

>>144688451
>What's the point if most people will just mute them because they don't like it?
Ignore them. Investing in shit like that won't bring you new customers and is likely to lower the opinion the ones you already have hold of your project.

>>144688546
I can't afford the English cast of Naruto. Heck, I can't even afford the cast of Teen Titans Go!

Most of the people that apply are just random people on social media who are either fans, or are looking to break into the pro VA scene despite not having the talent for it. The recording equipment is also an issue, and you can end up with unleveled audio like AJ Tilley if not a ton of work is put into fixing up the audio files.

Haven't numerous devs had VA agency horror stories where they were expected to pay way more than what was initially agreed upon?

And let's not forget the trouble The Letter ran into when they let a VA be casting director.

>>144682417
Sakura Dungeon is not 'problematic', 'problematic' only happens when something is subtle and bordering and can be read multiple ways. Overt tits are just tits.

>>144689229
>Haven't numerous devs had VA agency horror stories where they were expected to pay way more than what was initially agreed upon?

That's why you get contracts for everything. EVERYTHING. And they should have broken down costs, too.

>>144689324
>That's why you get contracts for everything. EVERYTHING.
That's not how lemma and other amateur groups roll. They just rely on a series of emails to be the formal agreement. And most people can't even figure out the basics of business management, so they wouldn't know how to make a good contract.

>>144689243
Did I trigger you?

Clearly they were offended by Sakura Dungeon's portrayal of women as sex objects.

>>144689028
Surely you can afford the english cast of bible black tho.
rumor has it, you can get the whole crew for a bag of cheetos

>>144689549

I think not having a contract for a random internet guy is fine, but if you are dealing with an established VA agency? You are at the stage where you need some formality.

can you fuck the shopkeeper in Sakura dungeon

>>144689790
Don't most English hentai anime use porn star VAs? They might do good IRL, but in a recording studio they sound amateur and the sex scenes sound so fake.

>>144689908
Look up the CG gallery and find out.

>>144689028
>not just using vocaloids
ayyy lmao

In all serious, what I dislike about the VA community is the ever unfolding drama. as if we don't have enough of that already

>>144689997
Like they do in Japanese.

>>144689997
its fine if the hentai has no plot (like most) but for a hentai with a heavier plot (like bible black) their acting
o god
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIz-HuUErv8
skip to 2:35 for instant cancer

>can't find good, affordable, and professional Japanese-speaking Mexican with a Canadian 'eh'-acent
How will I revolutionize the EVN community now?

The risk of VAs is that they can make or break a character. I think a great example is Dragon Age: Inquisition.

Objectively speaking, Dorian is written in a very dull way, but his VA is easily the best one out of the whole cast. On the other hand, Iron Bull's VA is so fucking bad he single handedly ruined the character.

Now, extrapolate that to a medium like VNs and well...

>>144690550
It's a matter of taste, though, surely? Plenty of people think Bull's VA was pretty good. I hadn't seen anyone complain about it before. (To me, it gave him character, I just wasn't interested in that character.)

Say one negative word about Cullen's voice acting and I will cut you.

>>144690209
I don't know that language so it sounds fine to me.

>>144691030

When the game came out, a lot of people complained of how flat Freddie's acting was in comparison to the text. Like, he'd be talking about fucking a character into the mattress and his voice would have exactly one tone through the entire conversation.

>>144691030
Would pay extra for a game that had voice acting at amateur levels? Listen and decide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aBeAaB4BWI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqZYSj6cQdw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn9Scn-SJTQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdA6EOMmdsQ

Remember that if you don't like them, then it's only a matter of taste.

>>144691369
Yeah, I can see that being weird. Guess I didn't spend enough time with him to be bothered.

>>144691654

It's not terrible, but personally I can't stand when english-speaking female VAs try to imitate the high pitch of female japanese VAs.

>>144692151
It's kind of a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation with dubs. It sounds stupid to fake it but it also sound stupid to take those characters and rework them into much lower voices.

In an English original, though, why try to make yourself sound like a bad dub?

>>144692151
The thing I find interesting about Lupiesoft's approach is that it'll be a commercial DLC. If people like the game and not the voices, then they don't have to buy the voices. There's also the potential for rampant piracy of the voice patch. Would you pay between $2-$5 extra for those voices? The game itself was only $5, or $2.50 while on sale, so that could make the voices seem really expensive.

>>144691654
Why do male VAs often sound better than females. And this sucks for me since I'll be making a galge/moege.

>>144692921
I thought he sounded pretty good, but a bit young for his role considering that he's a dad character. Post time skip he'd be 40 or so I'd guess.

Anyone with knowledge on VA quotes? Would try to calculate how much it'll take to break even. Right now, Reject Demon Toko has $4.99 of 7,000 sales on steam within the first month. Not bad for a first project. taxes will take 30% of that, and SP will butcher it with another 30%

>>144693202
>Reject Demon Toko has $4.99 of 7,000 sales on steam within the first month.
?
a) you're taking steamspy as actual data
b) that's the first YEAR, not the first MONTH
c) and includes any giveaways and bundles

>>144693202
It's been half off during several Steam sales, which would make up a decent chunk of its sales. And you really can't trusty SteamSpy in that number range.

>>144693550
>double checks year
Gomen-senpai. I seppuku now

>>144693202
> 30% for taxes
> 30% steam cut
> 30% publisher cut
> dev takes %10

this can't be right... can it?

>>144693646
Well, no, because you don't know how to math.

If you divide something by 3 three times that doesn't mean you've reduced it to zero.

Start with $10,000 in gross sales. Steam takes 30%. You now have $7000 in payout.

Publisher takes 30% of $7K, leaving you with $4900.

If your taxes are actually 30% of that, then the final result would be $3430.

>>144693646
Taxes are deducted on the net, not the gross.

>>144693975
>the final result would be $3430
They can only survive on that because Tao does almost all the art for their games.

>>144694217
That number was a made up round number to demonstrate percentages and nothing to do with the actual gross sales of the game.

>>144693646
It's compounding from profit, not total gross sales.

>Assume it earns $1,000,000.
>Game becomes $666,667 (30%) to build mexican wall. (For international)
>Becomes $444,444 (30%) after gaben takes a bite.
>Becomes $296,296 (30%) to pay for two tweets.
So, more or less, you get .296 for every dollar you make.

>>144694490
My bad, I actually calculated it based from continues 33%, not 30%

>>144694490
>tfw US and my country doesn't have trade agreements on double taxation and I'll still have to pay taxes to government based from net profit
Why bother

>>144695110
If you're not a US citizen why would you have to pay their taxes?

>>144692418
>why try to make yourself sound like a bad dub?
Nostalgia? The fact that people are used to hearing it in dubs, so it's what they're used to?

>>144695601
US law, apparently any profit made from the US is susceptible to tax. This is why Steam requires us foreigners to get an ITIN (International Tax Identification Number) before putting out the game. And, yes, that's a full 30%.

God, I can't wait for a bitcoin-only gamestore to come out.

>>144696182
That's bizarre, I see other websites (not related to Steam) claiming that if you're doing digital business and you don't have any physical location or employees in the US you shouldn't be liable for US income tax. I suppose it might make a difference if they're talking about you directly selling to customers in the US vs getting payouts from a US-based company like Steam though. Still doesn't make sense to me.

My own tax situation is complicated in entirely different ways but i'm in a treaty country so THAT particular problem isn't one for me.

>>144694490
the dream is dead

>>144697017
You have math literacy problems.

>>144697117
I think he means he'll never make a million dollars with his vns.

>>144689028
>the cast of Teen Titans Go
that's some pretty good VA, am i missing something?

>>144698506
You want your vn to sound like a Saturday morning cartoon?

>>144691654
Okay, this is just my opinion but if you want VA you seriously need to consider changing the dialogue to fit with the voice.

"I can take care of myself Toko, after all I'm a college student now", really? This does not translate well to voice, especially with the chosen VA. I don't know the context, but it seems either one to one or small group, and if either, why would they use "Toko" and not directly say she can take care of herself. There is just so much that doesn't flow, it makes it hard to like, even if the VA is good, they are stuck with that writing.

Anyone who is going after VA I think needs to either let the VA change the line so they sound natural or change it themselves. Don't use the first thing you get.

>>144700782
>it seems either one to one or small group, and if either, why would they use "Toko" and not directly say she can take care of herself.
People tend to directly address the person they're talking to if they're frustrated or trying to make a point. It's not unusual at all.

you don't have my permission to die

>>144706215
When your /vn/ is in ashes...

>>144707303
Did you come to die with your thread?

I don't like this time of day, when I've stopped working on my game and realize how vastly unhappy I am.

>>144710980
browse shit-tier boards and inhale some memes

ok one last time

>>144710980
I'm going to start now. Today I'm going to throw 10,000 words against the wall and consider myself lucky if 2000 stick!

>>144719510
Hey, that's 2k you didn't have yesterday and 8k you might be able to tweak or repurpose. Power on.

owari da

>>144727053
chigau

sincerely, fuck you

I bet none of you are even working right now... probably playing Bastion in Overwatch and shit.

>>144733257
How dare you, sir?

I'm watching someone play Stardew Valley and RPing.

>>144733257
I'm watching Lucifer.
I tend to watch a show when procrastinating, and you know you tell yourself just one more episode but oh well.

>>144733257
Well, forgive me for having to take a dump at some point and using a tablet for its creators intended purpose: shitposting.

>>144733257
I am working, just not on visual novels. I'll slip in a scene or two at lunch.

>>144737304
I'll slip you something too at lunch ;-)

>>144700782
I don't remember that line even being in the game.

For the love of all that is holy in the world, just don't get voice acting done if you can't afford to hire out a voice acting studio and be there in person to direct the talent yourself. Everything else, no matter how much editing you do, will sound like dog shit.

>>144738889
>be there in person to direct the talent yourself
This isn't how big games do it

>>144738889

> directing talent yourself

good god, no. Get an actual director. You can give pointers to the VAs, but a bad director is as bad as bad VAs.

>>144738951
>>144739086
How the fuck can any director know what you want more than the person who created the characters and wrote the dialogue? You make it sound as if saying "That's great, no need to retake" and "Retake the line, make it sound more _______ this time" is hard.

>>144739360
>How the fuck can any director know what you want more than the person who created the characters and wrote the dialogue?
Someone I know works in local films and I asked the same question. Basically everyone has their own views on the script. The Director, the lights people, the sound people, the producers, the production people and of course the creator.

You'll just have to make sure you communicate with the director about how you want it. The director, well, directs everyone involved. Of course you can be the director yourself.

I like working alone though so that's all quite hard for me to wrap around my head with so I get what you mean.

>>144739360
>"Retake the line, make it sound more _______ this time"

That's the problem. Unless you have experience with VA or at the least, sound design, there's a good chance that your suggestions are shit but they won't tell you because you are the boss.

>>144739687
>Unless you have experience with VA or at the least, sound design
I don't but my husband does, and he'd be there with me anyway. We are the power couple revolutionizing /evn/.

Just get Lost Pause to do a gag dub of all the characters.

>>144740218
I'm glad to be of service, dear.

>>144740402
Lets give them hell, darling.

>>144739687
>there's a good chance that your suggestions are shit but they won't tell you because you are the boss.
As long as it sounds as I imagine it, I don't care if my suggestions are considered shit or genius.

>>144741263

This is exactly how shit games are made. Congratulations.

>>144741263
That's what someone who wants to fail would say. If no one but yourself thinks your game is good, you have a serious problem.
>>144741462
Also this.

>>144741462
>>144741654
You just don't get my vision.

>>144741462
I mean he's correct in a sense, it just doesn't pan too well with VA. You pay people to do what you want, not tell you their opinions unless you want opinions. You should be taking opinions from creatives though, even if you don't want to use them. These people can make or break your product, so hearing them out might just make it rather than break it. Leave the "do what you're told and nothing else" to jobs that don't really need opinion.

>>144741462
>>144741654
You probably are refering to people who can't take any sort of criticism, but that's not what I am talking about. Of course, I'd take into consideration the VAs valuable experience based input, but the final decision is something you have to make on your own. It's like having an editor: you don't just blindly accept every change they make. Unless you lack a judgement of your own and are a prisoner of every single specialist involved in your VN, that is.

*sigh*. I'll rise this thread's spirits for now.

Dayum gurl, whatcha doin' in this shithole page 10? Those are sum nice 42 posters! Cool ass hhgttg reference, you deserve to be in page 1!

>>144746095
turns out /evn/ has an anti-magic aura, your charm doesn't work

>>144748654
They should nerf the anti-magic aura.

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>>144751980
it's the sheer despair of this place multiplied by the general disposition of 4chan that makes us impervious to magic, hopes, dreams and any positive emotions
so basically we run either on hatred or autism for the most part, should've pretended to be scammed by an artist or something

>>144752305
>pretended
Why bother pretending when it is an inevitability? You will get scammed by an artist sooner or later, might as well start now with the purpose of resurrecting the thread than for no reason next week.

Contact your local (con) artist today!

>>144753027
N A M E
A N D
S H A M E
SHAMESHAMESHAMESHAMESHAMESHAMESHAMSHAMESHAME

What's the best/most unusual story an artist gave you for not finishing your commission?

>>144753027
But if you get conned, just ask paypal for the ol' refunderoo?

>>144755747
he told me he doesn't want to do anymore edits of the same image because "he is fucking sick of changing bangs' length 10 times." fuck that cunt

>>144755747
Saying they lost their will to draw at the same time they posted their new fan art to advertise commission openings on tumblr.

I wish I was joking.

>>144756605
Maybe they just lost interest in drawing your character? Happened to me too, had to wait 2 fucking weeks to get an update, all the while said artist literally shitting daily fan art of anime she's obsessed with.

>>144756828
It was just a really fickle artist. Stalled the project for months before quitting.

>>144752305
>her eye is the same size as her hand

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>>144757124
artists are SUM
ARTISTS ARE SCUM

>>144757294
DIY

>>144755747
My first artist had an identity crisis, got a sex change and disappeared.

>>144737619
Sorry, mate, but I have SpaghettiOs and they are the only thing I'm slipping into my mouth right now.

>>144755747
My artist said they were behind on a comm because their friend's goldfish died and their friend was traumatised by the event and they had to comfort them.
They did get the comm done eventually though - a few weeks after they disposed of the dead goldfish.

>>144757124
Why'd you wait months? Most of the time they won't come back, so it's better to just look for a new artist.

>>144756425
I once rejected a commission because of this. The person asked me like 6 times to make the bulge of their Digimon like character bigger even if it was big enough. They probably wanted me to draw the bulge on the whole canvas but perhaps they were shy to ask.

>>144758395
Because they asked me to wait, like they seriously intended to keep working on it.

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>>144758520
Rate this bulge.

>>144755747
"I'm feeling disheartened because the story shouldn't go X. I think Y character should've done..." etc, etc, etc.

This is why I have trust issues.

>>144759384
Just balls/no dick bulge

>>144759362
I can't believe you fell for that.
>Huh? Oh, that. Sure, I'll get to it later. (not really)

>>144759384
Degenerate/10

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>>144759498
How about this one?

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Guess who this is.

>>144758520
Who are you? So I can know which cunt not to hire.

>>144759447
If you are worried about someone else hijacking your story, why don't you just commision the art and pay them what is due without getting them involved?

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>>144759384
are you a female? that is anatomically incorrect
the bulge should have more hang and not be a perfect circle. it should protrude less as well
everything else is good but the anatomy

>>144759915
I really like the skin shading.

>>144760148
I was just posting Tao's work, since the discussion switched over to bulges.

>>144760148
> louise
> not tina

one job, anon.

>>144760490
Tina's more into guy's butts.

>>144759915
This is Taos's work by the way. And she's a milf demon.

>>144759530
We were friends before that.

>>144760148
>expecting Tao to know what a dick looks like

>>144761247
Artists can be good friends, but they're fickle employees at best.

>>144759447
Why would you bother telling them the story if you just want their art and nothing else?

>>144761587
Some artists want to make sure the script is worth creating art for and that you won't just bail because you can't complete writing it.

whats the lore of this tao girl? she seems like a talented artist albeit, inexperienced with bulges

>>144761247
My mother always told me not to work for or ask for work from friends or relatives. It's hard to demand from them and sooner or later, they'll act like it's all playtime after all and that they're just doing you a favor. I can't count how many times that has saved me and how many times I should've heed it before actually believing.

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>>144761807
He's a dude.
He mostly does yuri and futa. He can also do manservice.

What does /evn/ think of belts with suspenders attached to them? Is it a hipster thing?

>>144762397
Hot on bare breasts, male or female.

>Is it a hipster thing?
Rule of thumb: if you have to ask, yes.

>>144762497
On a man in a casual suit.

>>144762609
> casual suit
> suspenders

Hipster.

>>144762609
Suits by default are hot. Not just on men, either.

>>144760148
I see a dog head.

>>144762001
>He's a dude.
Are you 100% sure of that?

>>144764747
I heard him on an oprainfall podcast.

taos designs make me feel sick just looking at them
i dont get how anyone could think they look gud

>>144757667
Kek

>>144765034
Majority of evns look garbage in terms of art, it's not hard to see why people praise stuff like that.

>>144764965
did he sound like a gayboi?

>>144765034
Not a fan of animu art?

>>144765167
>>144765281
It's not even about the art style - its simply about his choices in his character designs

>>144765170
No.

>>144765408
Examples?

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> Yet another one

Good for her and all that, but does she just sit down and write all day or something?

>>144765167
>Majority of evns look garbage in terms of art
Isn't that because people are too poor to hire the good artists

>>144765649
It's her job, or she's a NEET.

>>144765701

More like people not being willing to shell out $30+ for the average evn, so budgets have to stay small to break even/make profit.

>>144765903
That's not really a contradiction, that's why they're poor.

Although difficulty in FINDING good and reliable artists is still a thing as well.

>>144765903
>$30+
That's a lot, most people will not pay that much for any indie game
You could easily get by selling one at $10-15 if you get enough sales.

>>144766016
>You could easily get by selling one at $10-15 if you get enough sales.

You could, but you'd have to be extremely lucky or hit a niche like the Sakura games.

I imagine that anon means "industry level artist" when they said good, which means about 80,000 yen per CG. And that's only for the art.

>>144766454
>800 fucking dollarydoos
This kills the DREAM.

>>144765649
>~
die

>>144765903
Sunrider Academy did quite fine.

>>144769861

> one example equals the whole population

ano, no.

>>144770076
I didn't say it did, but people are actually willing to spend that much money. The issue is that there are barely any EVNs that are even worth paying that much for in the first place.

>>144769861
It had gameplay and voice acting, which makes it better than those other vns.

>>144770694
Sunrider Academy does not have voice acting.

>>144770884

Are there any VNs that tried to do full voice acting?

>>144772937
Yes.

>>144773128

Anon, stop being a smart mouthed little tart and give up the goods.

Someone should make a VN about talentless VAs trying to cope with being kicked out of VAs Academy. That would justify the horrible voices as a plot requirement. You could literally get drunk with a couple of friends and record it all in one evening.

Alright, played the free Sunrider game and the story was fucking awful, amazed that this shit got backed
>forced fucking romance
Anyways, my question is;
Is there a lot of demand for sci-fi/space VNs? I'd love to write one that doesn't make me cringe throughout, but I'm a perfectionist and I'd want to sink massive amounts of time into divergent storylines (fucked up and lost a section of hard gameplay? That's okay, it's not a game over. You just won't be as well off in the story as a result.)

>>144776615

That depends. I could see a demand for things like Star Trek or even fantasy in space like Star Wars, but not for hard sci fi like Space Odyssey or even Moon.

>>144777042
You add waifus and Space Odyssey-esque becomes awesome because has both a good plot and PLOT.

>>144777042
It'd be what, medium sci-fi. I want a reasonably believable world with a bit of zany shit (Itano Circus, spinal railguns, all that fun stuff)
Heavy gameplay focus- there'd be a casual difficulty where you just buy upgrade packages and the game is easier, but normal+ difficulties would let you rewire your entire warship for free efficiency or firepower boosts. Maybe you make shield generation more power efficient, or maybe your shields reroute to your railgun making you powerful but vulnerable when you fire. You'd choose where to mount weapons, how ammo flows, maybe even corridor layout to make your ship harder to board. That'd all be optional but beneficial. There'd be solid story with a large cast to back it up, although harder difficulties would run the risk of permanent death for all of your crew- no plot-armoured waifus.

>>144776615
What's out there right now? Sunrider, Rising Angels, and Invisible Apartment.

>>144777789

Now it just begs the question: Have you worked on a game before? Because that all sounds good, but the more gameplay the harder it's to balance without either dropping the project or making it boring.

>>144777739

> Hal 9000, but as a waifu

>>144775980
Aren't there already a couple of VNs about being VAs? I'm struggling to remember the one that was on dlsite and mangagamer for a while...

>>144777885
There's a couple more in development. Sierra Ops at least

>>144778263

There's also Seiyuu Danshi, but the demo doesn't give me hopes for the full version.

>>144777789
Just as >>144778196 anon says, that is some serious programming. It's like trying to merge FTL with good ole Critical Point. The results could be awesome, but... I hope you own a bunch of slaves well versed in assorted trades.

>>144778196
It's a serious undertaking and I won't even pretend it'd be easy to code or balance. I want to elaborate more on wiring- you buy a cheap corvette with low quality wiring in a poor config (it is a cheap warship, after all)
With the right knowledge you can rewire the ship for a bit of time/manpower and see significant boosts. Maybe you pay for a bit of high quality wiring for vital wiring, so while your hallways flicker under fire your shields don't. I'd like to reward knowledgeable players with the tools to really fine-tune their ships for the maximum reward, which would add a lot of gameplay and make harder difficulties more tolerable. You could still do well on normal without ever touching the advanced customization though.
Finally it'd allow cool conversions, like turning a cargo ship into a missile barge.

Plot. I'll admit that I've just drafted/brainstormed this today. You'd start out as a young officer graduate assigned to a frontline ship in the middle of a war. Basically you're a faceless mook and you will rarely fight alone. Your first few battles won't even have you being a heroic MvP, you'll just do better than an average Lt/Captain if you're good at the game (or even be completely average.) Promotions will affect the storyline a bit, and be given out at a few major intervals depending on performance. There will also be risks of major, story-altering deaths (your fleet admiral dies due to your incompetence, war goes downhill for you. Game gets harder and the story bleaker.)
Maybe a large expac if the game does well that allows you to desert and work as a mercenary while keeping a low profile to avoid being found and court-martialed, maybe a completely different plot line for the MC (born on a small world, merc from the beginning with no pressure from the military) or maybe even a path where you can defect and fight for the other side.

>>144780880
It is a cool idea, certainly more interesting than the far more prevalent 'lose a fight, repeat mission' approach. You might want to add some sort of backstory to thar war thingie though, if you want the game to fall in the realms of VNs instead of space sims (not strictly necessary, but since you are posting here...). Also, waifus are not a strict requirement, but if you are confortable adding them they sure are not going to hurt your sales.

Apart from that, execution is everything. Good luck.

>>144781715
There'll be plenty of lore and exposition on the war. I'm posting it here because I figure a VN format is the best way to deliver the story outside of combat. Waifus are definitely a plan, probably aim for a solid 12-15 (the scale I have in mind is massive, after all. Also helps to have backups when you run the risk of losing a couple waifus to brutal space combat)

>>144765649
She's been releasing more than aj tilley.

>>144765649
going off her twitter posts she's in some sort of teaching position with young kids

>>144783154

also

> 45k is a short game

Are they any good? I know they have some weird quirks (yuri lolis, actually being about poets, and so on) but I hardly see people discussing the actual quality.

>>144783604
>actually being about poets
I'm curious about this. Would you be so kind to elaborate a little bit?

>>144783604
i've seen praise for her writing but the weird subject matter, flowery gui, and artwork makes it hard for me to make the plunge.

Your gameplay affects the story. There'd be port of call waifus who are easy enough to get at, and maybe one or two merc/foreign transfers who wouldn't mind fraternizing with you, but some of the actual ship crew would be "reward" waifus. Want to romance them? That's a risky proposition considering regulations forbidding fraternization. Of course, if you did well enough and curried enough favor High Command would be more than willing to overlook the fact you're pounding your navigator's pussy every night, but not so much if you're a mediocre commander who is letting your flirting with her distract you during battle. There'd be girls who are more willing to break regs, and some that'd stonewall you and be very hard to actually get with. There'd also be your crew to consider- maybe you don't have enough political clout, but if your crew values you enough because you keep them safe and comfortable then who's going to report your romantic ventures to high command? There'd also ideally be public opinion (High Command isn't going to punish you if you're a high profile captain whose romance wins the heart of the people, and they'll give you more resources and support outside of overlooking your romance too.)
So, three basic systems with a lot of complexity.
How the fleet/brass views you (how much favor you curry from battlefield results)
How your crew views you (Do they love and respect you? Do they hate and fear you because you're willing to sacrifice their lives for tactical advantages in battle?)
How the general public views you (Are you keeping civilians safe from pirates? Are you winning key battles with decisive strokes and painting a picture for yourself as a war hero?)
>what if I get regs brought down on me?
Your waifu gets transferred to another warship in the fleet. You might be able to get her back, but that's a lot easier said than done. Also there's always a chance that her ship gets sunk in battle, so best hurry.

>>144784258
I think some are about poets as little yuri girls.

>>144786518
Interesting. Might check it out if I ever get a bit of free time.

Up

>>144783604
Not that this is necessarily an indication of quality, but /r/visualnovels always seems so excited to see more from her.

Haven't played any myself, but I have a sort of... soft spot?... for her as a fellow creator. But I do for all evn creators who seem chill and/or hard-working.

>>144774034
One of the Sunrider games and Divine Slice of Life have voice acting. Toko prelude is supposed to get a full voice patch DLC soon.

>>144777042
Forget Star Wars and Star Trek, you should take inspiration from Star Ocean.

>>144778196
>> Hal 9000, but as a waifu
Yes, please.

>>144777042
>Moon
>GERTYT
To be fair, that AI would make a pretty wholesome waifu.

>>144792360

What about Stargate Oceantrek?