/evn/ - Best EVN Ever Edition

aj tilleys newest KS was funded in a few hours.

>>143930852
Truly, he should be emulated.

>>143930852
who writes AJ's games? he's promising 9 games in his new kickstarter.

>>143929957
>Juniper's Knot was a pleasant read
>Dysfunctional Systems 1 was pretty boring
>Next episodes are supposed to have been even worse
What went wrong.

>>143929957
>meganelover
Why is this whack linked?

>>143932062
nothing thrives when your leader is a dickhead with no focus.

>>143932224
Does anyone ever actually click on the links in the OP? I'm pretty sure I could insert porn and have it be pasted into new threads for months before anyone noticed

>>143932241
That's unfortunate. JK was one of the few kinetic novels I actually enjoyed.

>>143927119
I did post a little on /hgg/ some time ago. Was the chat mostly about not liking works in progress posted without a demo because they didn't want to get their hopes up only for the projects to die?

>>143932945
Bingo! Ahaha it is really you! Good to see you active anon.

What attracts you most to VNs? Cute girls? Romance? Romance with cute girls? Or does there need to be a hook?

>>143933394
Lesbians.

>>143933394
Yes, yes, yes, yes.

>>143933394
A tense situation that sounds like it will spiral out of control.

>>143933394
Female protagonist + yuri route.

>>143933652
I just look those up on ehentai.

>>143933394
I'm going to be the weird one and say I want to have an interesting plot.

>>143934145
We're not weird, it's everyone else.

>>143932519
It was supposed to have a sequel, both an official one and one by some crazy guy on lemma trying to steal the IP and profit from it.

>>143934473
>steal the IP
How?

>>143933394
yes

>>143933394
Plot (and cool art in so far as it affects what I think the plot is going to be). Cool takes preference over cute girls. There's a lot of art of cute girls already in existence.

>>143934473
Is any info on the sequel still around? A quick google search shows nothing.

>>143933121
Thanks! It's pretty uplifting that you remembered me.
I'm still working hard towards the day where I'll be qualified to post there.

>>143934626
Start okayed fan project that they said was okay if it was free, then pulled reasons out his ass on why he should be able to charge for it, including twisting peoples words and viewing non-IP holders statements as approval.

>>143935027
I don't think much info was ever released, I think it never left the conceptual stage.

>>143935027
>>143935238
It was going to be an animation. They showed a clip of it - I think on the Kickstarter page for DysSys.

>>143935302
Did fiend get to fug the shota?

>>143935302
>We've made a very nice VN
>And now for something completely different
Why would they do this?

>>143935469
I hope fiend turned him into a girl.

>>143935086
Is the thread still around?

>>143935518
Why would they do anything they did? Dischan was a hurricane of mad decisions and things that sounded cool and not like those other evns.

>>143935875
Ah, somebody was planning to revolutionize the genre. Got it.

>>143927394
Thanks you for the feedback. I had a thought going in that her color scheme and design would be alienating (among numerous other unrelated decisions), but felt like I needed to make what I wanted to make or I would never feel passionate enough to see it all through. I'm not sure many people will like what I am creating as a result, but I am happy to be working on it.

>>143935704
https://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=24494

It's a fun read.

>>143936163
The coloring on the hair feels weird, and.. flat? Simple? Especially compared to the skin, and eyes, which are really nice.

>>143936329
Fire your artist.

>>143936295
good ole omniknight, that bastard conned everyone

>>143937258
How much emone did he make?

>>143936640
I think it's a one person game, drawing/writing/coding, so

>>143937760
Hire an artist.

>>143936329
For once, I don't feel particularly bad that there doesn't seem to be a pity route.

>>143936320
Yeah, I am weak with hair. The shading is undefined and I haven't been able to highlight the way I would like. Thanks for pointing it out, I will continue to work on it.

>>143937424
I don't think he's ever released anything. He just cons people into joining his projects and can't actually finish anything. He's even gotten some fairly famous (among the evn scene) people to join him, then his projects ended in disaster, so they might not want to join future projects as a result.

>>143938306
>He's even gotten some fairly famous (among the evn scene) people to join him
who?

>>143938812
has he actually, or has he just claimed that he has?

>>143937760
How many other games are being developed by one person?

Anybody here know where I can get free loli characters? All I find are old hags.

>>143939264
Developed developed or 'developed' developed?

>>143939264
I know mine is.

>>143939581
just steal them

>>143939581
Depends on whether you're friends with a loli artist or if you plan on selling your game.

>>143939264
I am doing that if there is no other option, but hopefully when the writing and the demo with placeholder art are done, others will see how cool is it and help me revlotuzionn the gaemre...
Or at least a good enough artist will deign to take commisions for less than the blood and soul of my firstborn.

>>143939264
My games.

>>143939762
Art isn't that expensive. Music is way worse.

>>143939651
I would have stole them if I can find any. As I said there's too much old hags that I can steal but no lolis.

>>143939751
I'm not planning to sell the game just need to pass the time.

>>143939853
One problem at a time, anon. At least with decent art, solid writing and a demo with gameplay I can KS and maybe then I'd have a firstborn or two to offer to the music guy.

>>143940008
Draw them yourself and hang the pictures on your wall.

>>143940127
Don't pay a 'music guy,' we've been over this. Anyone worth a damn in the western scene wants 10k a song.

>>143940008
Just browse exhentai CG/sprite rips of loli JVNs if not commertial.

>>143940008
Find a company that you like and browse for sprite rips on exhentai.

>>143940303
No, of course not. I wouldn't commision all of my music, but I'll need at least a couple of songs specifically tailored to suit my ~vision~.

>>143940348
>>143940440
Any specific tags so that I can search for it more easily? I tried to just browse through all that shit but it's hard to find usable ones.

>>143940556
You shouldn't commission any music. It's a waste of money, since most people mute VNs. If it's critical to your vision, just license an existing quality track.

>>143940753
>most people mute VNs
Out of curiosity, is there a source for this claim?

>>143940753
>just license an existing quality track.
That is another option I considered, yes. It will depend on if the pieces I need, or similar, are available for licensing.

>>143941028
It's how dad did it, it's how america does it.

>>143941205
I hope you guys are kidding. Unless über shitty, the music is (if the dev is not totally incompetent) meant to complement the tone of the scene. Muting it seems like playing the game with only half of the sprites.

>>143941618
Unless you're licensing or paying out the ass, the music will be uber shitty.

>>143941618
Some people just like to read and not be disturb.

>>143941618
some people don't want to hear techno piano midi xylophone whatever most evn music is. i generally give the evn i play a chance but i'll mute if it's really grating like some cyanide tea games.

>>143938812
Some youtube musician IIRC.

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>>143940008
>>143939581
Use everybody's favorite loli generator.

>>143939264
Solo dev here. Only thing I'm not really doing is music.

>>143945128
Is music really necessary? I mean, can an EVN still be considered great using royalty free music you can get anywhere?

>>143945128
Same.

>>143947868
I've been through all the free for commercial use music I could find and couldn't find even one track to use. Has to be stock, unless you have some secret stash.

>>143947868
Mention 3 good evn with royalty free music.

>>143948195
That's why I was asking.

>>143947868
Nothing is necesary, but if you have high expectations about your product you have to be very consistent in all its aspects. Otherwise feels like wasted potential.

>>143948467
>>143948195
>>143948117
I'm also a solo dev that has no money to dish out for music, art, any of that shit. I just don't want the free stock music I'll be using to detract from my story.

>>143948195
Or stock music, for that matter

>>143948964
I don't know if Monster Girl Quest music is stock, but I think I heard some of its track here and there.

>>143947868
Personally intend to use royalty free music of some description. I think it can really enhance the story if you get it right. I do know that dead air feels pretty weak/cheap so even if I never go full carefully selected soundtrack, I at least don't want to go dead air.

It's a jvn, but didn't Hatoful Boyfriend use all free/stock music?

>>143948941
I don't think it's that big of a deal. There're more options for stock music if your game isn't commercial. You might consider getting teammates if you don't have any of the major skills like art yourself. But I think music is the least important aspect, personally. People will at least try a game with bad music, but bad art can turn them away before they even read the description.

>>143944963
Name or link please ? Can't read title.

>>143951208
http://character-nantoka.appspot.com/
here you go senpai

>>143950615
Yep. And it worked out pretty well for them, imho.

>>143936295
Did he actually manage to con the artists in that thread into making stuff for him, or did he steal it?

>>143936295
Was this person also confirmed to be Jiro Hochikoshi? I remember seeing Doomfest saying on Twitter that JH conned a friend of his into working with him and then things went badly, which is why he posted on Twitter to warn other people.

Was Tuesday made in unity?

>>143957608
I think it was Construct 2.

>>143957286
Yeah, he is confirmed to be Jiro.

>>143958672
oh alright, thanks

live to die another day

Die, die already!

>>143949426
Pretty sure it uses both stock BGs that don't look very good and music. The consumers really don't care as much as the devs will.

>>143957608
Originally worked on in Construct 2, current build is in Game Maker.

>>143964378
I see, thanks. Where the fuck did I get the unity idea I don't know.

so ronery

>>143968282
Don't worry I'm always with you in that dark corner of your house

>>143969018
I wish this was true ;_;

>>143948195
I use stock music and I get lots of compliments on the music and requests to buy the soundtracks, which I have to turn down.

I don't think any of my soundtracks are awesome, though, and I'm sure you can find a thousand nitpicks. Still, they're good enough.

>>143968282
so money

>>143974245
no money, dying from exposure homeless and alone

>>143948195
you're implying there's a direct correlation between an evn being good and not using stock music.

>>143976491
While that poster is probably being silly, it is equally silly to say custom music is useless and that people just turn off music anyway. Very obvious case of sour grapes, gets parroted every thread even when people say they can afford to hire composers and want to.

>>143976635
Yeah, I don't know what people are talking about. There are definitely some people who turn off music/voice and use their own. But I've seen WAY more people implying music is more important to them than even the art, so... If I'm going to go off what I've seen, I'm not going to side on, "music totally not important". I think it's cool if groups can get their own music. Not likely to do that for quite awhile myself, but if it's important for the game, why not make that extra effort?

Time is money but money won't turn back the clock.

>>143977281
I'm sure with enough money you can facilitate the invention of a time machine

>>143977381
Not so much the invention, but definitely the development.

Sakura Dungeon is out on Nutaku. It's all the yuri rape you've ever wanted.

>>143978380
Forgot link

http://www.nutaku.net/games/download/sakura-dungeon/

Is there even any point in making yuri with lewd when people have the Sakura series?

>>143979192
The Sakura series has bad writing, cliche stories, and not everyone is a fan of over the top yuri rape. Just look at those screenshots. Plus, Winged Cloud does just as much if not more het than yuri.

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>>143979312
People actually pay money for this?

Sakura Dungeon is also a Demon Master Chris clone. Yomi is basically Anna and the knight is basically Chris. The mechanics sound very similar as well.

>>143974397
then where did you get the computer?

>>143977381
No, time travel is impossible. I wrote an article demonstrating its theoretical impossibility in 2058. Just wait and you'll see.

>>143979408
Is it me, or did their sprite-coloring quality declined? I'm sure there were at least gradient shading in the previous games.

>>143980528
it looks the same, but given how many sprites are in this game she probably simplified things.

How normal is it to get quality paranoia when working on your first VN?

>tfw every sentence must read like Nabokov
>tfw every sprite must look like minori
>tfw every BG must be Makoto Shinkai
>tfw every OST must sound like Yoko Ono

I honestly can't write right now with constant "quality control."

>>143984607
Think of Ryukishi07. Not Umineko Ryukishi07, with his fancy musicians all clamoring to get in on there, but Higurashi core Ryukishi07, who had stock music.

>>143984607
You're probably not going to get anything done if your standards are too high. In the off chance you do, it's going to be either amazingly good or you'll find out your "quality control" is way off.

>>143984607
>tfw every sentence must read like Nabokov
are you making a loli game?

though seriously, your first project in everything tends to get plagued by overthinking
I've had these problems with writing, drawing, making games, and again with vns, you just have to start small and lower your standards

and old professor told me the first step is to "kill your editor", and I've found it to be pretty good advice

>>143985204
My inner editor turns "meh" into "omfg this is the most amazing thing ever writen", I can't afford to kill him.
I can deactivate him on occasion, though.

>>143985538
yeah, there's merit to both ways, mainly speed vs quality

I used to spend like 10 hours making good drawings, but now I can make something almost as good in 1 or 2, and then spend a bit of time revising instead of trying to make it perfect to start with

it's hard to swallow sometimes that practically speaking people really don't care if your stuff is perfect, but it's something I think just has to be accepted personally, as I look at my drawings and writing and see tiny mistakes that no one else will and aren't worth fixing in terms of practical time

of course though, if you're doing solo work with no budgets or deadlines, you might be fine just carrying on as you are, so people are happier to spend a very long time on perfection, frankly I would be too if I had the free time

Must remain awake to fix sleep pattern...
So sleepy, cant even properly

>>143990536

If Higurashi was released today /evn/ would proclaim it trash and never play it on virtue of it's art being shit. Sad but true.

>>143990536
Higurashi was successful because Ryukishi was a genius mystery maker and character writer. It attracted composers and an animation studio with how compelling its story alone was. Don't expect your dating sim to skate by with art like that.

>>143996048
I hate those knob noses.

>>143997060
What nose style do you prefer?

>>143996048
I quite like this, actually.

>>143997146
Anime style that's a bit more detailed than a dot, I guess. Unless it's a knob like that I usually don't notice them that much though.

>>143997060
that one is okay. the piggy nostril noses are the ones that russle my jimmies.

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Do you ever go through so much music, art, or writing while looking for someone to hire that it all blends together and seem the same?

>>144006203
music yeah for sure. i have to take a break after about an hour because it will all sound like shit.

art not so much, there's always the ones that are a cut above the rest.

amatuer writing seems like that from the get-go.

>>144007215
Amateur writing too often reads like Goosebumps.
"My name is Addie, and I like horses and chicken wings, but not my little brother because he's a brat."

>>144006203
Assume we'd talking about style and not content. For writing, I have yet to see someone to stand out. The average writer, which is the dev himself, is, style-wise, on the level of Dan Brown. The ones who attempt to emulate Banville, Tolstoy, or any of the "prize winning" literary elitist they've read from their feminist professor in Lit101 just sounds awkward and forced. If it's readable, it'll be enough for your Sakura-clone VN.

>>144007984
tolstoy was also mostly free of prose

>>144008495
My bad. I had Lolita in mind and for some reason thought it was Tolstoy.

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>>144011605
You're the savior of evn.

>>144012336
Don't thank me too much, I got places to go and people to see. The future of /evn/... depends on you.

How would you go about advertising without a publisher. I only have a handful of forum sites to shill in:
>fuwa
>lemma
>/evn/
>rebbit

>>144012742
It should be obvious. After all, publishers are entirely useless and success will manifest itself so long as you don't associate with those cretin.

>>144012742

I assume you mean "for free", because buying publicity is the most obvious answer.

>>144013249
Would that ever be worth it though? I'm curious since the only as I ever see that paid for is Steins;Gate here in the 4chan banners.

>>144013776
Give me 10 bucks and I'll make 100 shitposts about your game. Extra $5 for images.

>>144013873
This might not that bad though, provided you know where to shitpost. 10 public post for $1 in the span of two weeks, screen capping each one for proof, totaling up to a hundred. Just post your portfolio of quality troll-bait posts and your bitcoin wallet and you're commissioned!

>>144013776
>Would that ever be worth it though?

Yes. But like shilling, you need to know where to buy ads.

>>144013776
It gets returns if you design your ads well and put them in the right places

>>144017191
>>144019231
Where would you put them?

>>144019435

> this much spoonfeeding

come on, anon. That depends on your vn's genre.

>>144019435
Sign with me as a publisher and I'll tell you where.

>>144019659
Sorry. I'd be able to find the answer if it wasn't a vn.

>>144021158
I don't think you'd want my game.

>>144023447

Honestly, anon. If you can't think of sites whose userbase would be interested in your product, maybe you DO need a publisher.

Is Umineko a 'kinetic' VN? I've only played a couple kinetic VNs and I had a harder time getting into them than their more interactive cousins.

But Umineko looks great

>>143979837
I am funposting through the sheer power of will

>>144028381
Use your will to make it rain money

>>144028583
Alas, there's someone also using their willpower to make sure I stay poor

Prince from an alternate dimension Earth tries to travel to the Best Dimension to get the best wife but ends up here instead and has to make do. would you read y/n (inb4 depends on the girls)

>>144033135

plot twist: his waifu is a man in that dimension.

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>>144033135
depends on the Prince

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>>144033135
Coming to America: the VN

>>144035020
it's this guy

>>144035760
I still would

>>144034187
Double twist: he is the waifu!

>>144043557
Could be a time traveler who underwent a sex change, like in All you zombies.

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THE YURI RENAISSANCE IS UPON US

>https://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=38725
>https://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=38744
what's happening here

>>144046850
Kungpow invasion

>>144046850
weird, the DA do not have many views either. maybe it's jiro horikoshi trying to scam people.

>>144047245
>joined this week
Definitely stealing art.

>>144046850
Fronting for a chinese agency

Not in my watch.

>>144046119
Naturally lottie is on the bottom of the achievements % list but what is poor Ermengarde doing so low down?

GIVE A FATTY A CHANCE

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Have some TyranoBuilder
Which doesn't exist as a steam tag yet

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>>144046850
>>144048294
Made super obvious by the fact that they're trying the exact same scam with two accounts simultaneously. Seriously, even the wording on the two posts is exactly the same.

>>144053009
Why would anyone be so careless with their scam?

>sakura spirits
More like sakura spirit
I have never seen such a bad case of sameface and samebody

>>144056789
>More like sakura spirit
But that is the title...?

>>144056789
welcome to winged cloud, if you're hoping for any variety, turn back

>>144055621
Maybe google translate returns the same sentence even they change it slightly in Chinese.

>>144055621
It's possible to be both a criminal and a moron.

>I'm robbing this bank.
>Sir, I'm allowed to give you the money, but you have to sign for it first.
>Okay.
>Here officer, he was dumb enough to sign this.

>>144057104
s

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>>144057490
No?

>>144057785
>clearly two s'

Living on the edge.

>>144060191
Shouting up at you from an infernal pit

In /fit/, we have a saying: "We're all gonna make it!"

You will too, Anon. You will too.

:)

>>144057785
Spirits, not Spirit
The same way Alien isn't Aliens

>>144063798
Never watched them, thought they were the same movie

>>144063770
In /evn/, we have a saying: "You're all gonna make shit!"

You will too, Anon. I know your VN will be shit.

:)

>>144063770
It's probably easier to stick to an exercise routine than to come up with quality original creative product. I'm saying probably because I couldn't manage either (yet)

>>144066535
Good art, good writing, and good music are something that emerge with practice; they aren't some innate "talent" that people are magically born with. Spend 60 minutes a day or more practicing your craft and actively improving your skill and you'll see the results manifested in the quality of your work.

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>>144066249

shhh

awaken

>>144075767
What are you Wammu or something?

> https://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=38754&p=417245#p417245

> puzzles
> map
> point & click

I know the line is very vague, but how is this not an adventure game?

>>144076247
not everything is a jojo reference

>>144076683
No one really cares. VNs are pnc adventure games with gameplay gutted anyway.

>>144076683
U jelly coz his jam game better than yours ?

>>144076795
They were originally anyway. Not so much now.

>>144081473
does it have animated sfm scenes though

Today I'm having a lazy day. Sorry evn, I'll make up tomorrow.

>>144084176
liar

don't leave me

>>144090005
i'm here for you

>>144090090
Would you edge away if I attempt to touch your hand?

>>144090005
>>144090090
>>144090564
Be careful with stuff like that, I met my future wife like this.

>>144090912
>future wife
does she know she's your wife

>>144091275
If she didn't, it'd be pretty awkward at the ceremony.

>>144081473
Anyone making a lesbo overwatch VN? Will pay for that just to get the TracerxWidowmaker route.

>>144092583
But that's gay.

Saved.
2 generals away from dying.

What is your favorite type of girl and guy? In appearance and personality?

>>144098779
Slutty, big boobs.

>>144098779
Girl
>tomboy, sporty, athletic, rational, and ambitious

Boy
> Trap, emotional,

>>144098779
favorite is always so hard, I like to lick a rainbow. but if I have to pull one 'type' out of a bag:

looks:

both genders: pale, dark hair, brightly colored eyes
female only: long straight hair
male-only: glasses

personality:
female: withdrawn, mistrustful, loner, probably reads a lot. might be sharp-tongued or might just be shy, but definitely not over-the-top abusive. if she yells at people it's not because she likes hurting them but because she wants them to leave her alone.

male: intelligent, scheming, ruthless, easily mistaken for cruel but not evil at heart, hides his mistrust of people by using them like pawns so as not to get close to them

>>144098779
Girl
>whatever my dick wants

Boy
>whatever my dick wants

>>144100384
>favorite is always so hard, I like to lick a rainbow.
Same but generally I like anything well drawn and as for personality, as long as it's not the author self inserting into multiple characters I'm good.

Altho I dig the timid and/or funny short haried girl. I'd go for that if I had a choice.

>>144098779

Gap moe is the best, both for boys and girls.

>>144098779
Girl- looks and acts like a boy
Boy- looks and acts like a girl

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>>144098779
I like girls who act a bit weird and bizarre but are quite sharp and cunning, and able to take control of a bad situation.
Bonus if they're on the short side.
Kofuku from Noragami is one example I can think of off the top of my head.

I don't really care about guys so long as they're not a shitty self-insert

>>144105529
What is she looking at ?

>>144106318
you

>>144106661
But, I'm masturbating right now.

https://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=30351

>>144108581
>4 month of deadness.
>Look, I haz questions of you!!

>>144107467
Is that a reason for her not to look?

>>144098779
Girls, I like short haired tomboys.

Boys, non pretty-boys, chubby, short fringe, red hair. Personality wise... tsunderes, jerks with golden heart, losers, bros.

>There's a pity route
>It's friendship

Why even bother?

>>144108581
Why do people ask questions like that in their thread? Are they going to change the vn if too many people guess at some plot point correctly or don't like something, or is it just some way to get people involved?

I dunno, I just find it irritating. If the premise was interesting enough people would just make their own comments without having to be asked specific questions.

>>144113651
What's a pity route?

>>144114464
lsf requires you to ask questions in order to weed out ideas apparently

>>144114464
I suspect it's a desperate attempt to get people to post in their threads

>>144115629
The single gay option, usually found in otome games. They're almost never as fleshed out as the opposite sex routes and sometimes it's just a friends for life ending, and not in the Harvest Moon move in together and raise a child together way either.

>>144116482
In my experience the problem with the single yuri route in an otome game is that it's way too often the 'friends become closer' storyline, which makes them feel less developed than the male love interests because they're just too samey.

I figured this would be the best place to ask. Is the Humble (Narrative) Bundle worth it? Or is it all hot trash?

What's the verdict on that Lucid9 game? Worth wasting my time playing?

>>144098779
I love useless tsunderes for both genders - I think the tsundere archetype is hideously adorable. Like, kind of introverted, awful at communicating how they really feel, and liable to ruin everything because of their communication issues.

For gender-specific traits...

Female: I like cunning female characters that are all aloof and mysterious and obviously up to no good, who smirk a lot and act self-confident.
I like little sister type characters a lot, too.

Male: I like guys who act haughty and aloof and talk down to people, but have childish/immature traits, and are very competitive. So, gap moe, I guess.
I'm really not a fan of male characters who act cool and are cool, and everyone loves them and thinks they're so cool...! Those kinds of male characters always grate on me.

Tenth page

How much do backgrounds cost on average?

>>144123593
A million dollars

>>144123593
Around lemma they seem to cost about $100 plus or minus.

https://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=38769

>>144126371
Diversity is cancer

>>144119175
Her Story is a gimmick game. It's entertaining to play once and worth doing for someone who wants to revolutionise the genre, for research, but once you've done it you're never going to go back to it again.

Read Only Memories is very dependent on taste. You will either find it clever and fun or super annoying. There's a free demo somewhere.

Cibele is... not really a game, it's more of an art project, if you're talking about standard decisions of Fun Games it's not worth considering. If seeing Nina with her top off motivates you, though, there is that. Otherwise, it depends how you feel about walking simulators (It isn't really one but close enough, fake gameplay while you go through someone's set narrative)

I have not played Broken Age, get someone else to review that.

80 Days is quite clever and entertaining, and again definitely worth playing in terms of understanding how text-based games could grow and change and be different instead of the same old formats. If you are SUPER sensitive to alternate histories and non-white-people and female engineers and all that, you may find it irritating, but in my opinion the game is way less annoying than the author is.

The Sorcery games are a lot of fun if you understand the genre. Some players are confused because they do not know what old gamebooks were like and they don't get how to interact with them. It's really quite interesting how much variation you can get between different people playing even if they all have to hit the same major goal points to succeed.

Shadowrun Hong Kong is fairly well regarded but I have not played it. If it is the only game on the list that you want, you _might_ be able to get it cheaper on summer sale but it's $20 regularly so $10 is still a good buy.

>>144126371
It can be hard to find anime artists who know how to draw fatties or other variations. They're too used to their standard mold

>>144126371
Body diversity is a good thing, just as long as there's no obese girls.

>>144119204
Subjective criticism:
>Too loli for me to take the mystery seriously
>MC is a self-aware 2edgy4u that doesn't sell

Objective Criticism
>BG is disorienting. It has like five vanishing points for each
>Too much SoL for what was supposed to be a mystery
>Pacing issues. SoL happens too slow, plot dev. pa happens too fast

Overall, it is a decent (not great) read. I couldn't finish it though. Maybe some time.

>>144126371
As long as it isn't Wanaca lvls of same bodies and faces, a bit of diversity is ok.

>>144126568
>Shadowrun Hong Kong is fairly well regarded but I have not played it.

It's good. A significant improvement over the first of the recent Shadowrun RPGs. Dragonfall was better in my opinion but it was also probably the best 2D PC RPG of the past decade.

>>144126371
didn't she make this exact thread a while back about her fatboy yaoi game protagonist?

>>144126371
Didnt that OP make a wip with a chubby protagonist and all the love interests were all the same. What diversity. https://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=38205

>>144127712
>For myself I've sadly done my first two games with characters that don't have much diversity in body types, with only the main characters being chubby. I did this cause I know a certain appeal is needed for any visual novels, but i had hoped I would've had a bit more. I do hope to make a long game with a whole cast of different characters, but a part of me is scared for some reason.

What is the latest evn that has cowtits?

>>144128061
time tenshi?

>>144126371
isnt that the same person who keeps on posting threads bc they're afraid of something like putting their games on steam and some shit

>>144128376
aka "please pay attention to me and tell me my games are ok"

>>144130447
what game, nothing's ever released except that one demo, we don't even get screenshots of what the vn even looks like

>>144130672
You don't need to make a game to demand attention!

>>144126568
Broken Age was a bit disappointing: it's divided in 2 parts.

As a player, you have the ability to switch between two characters whenever you want, but this seems to have no bearing on how the story unfolds or the puzzles. In the second part the devs suddenly decided to make it so you find some solutions in the other character's setting, though it makes no sense because they can't communicate at all.
The puzzles were also made more contrived in the second part, probably because people complained that in the first nothing was much more complicated than a fetch quest.

The story had an interestingly-ish twist at the end of the first chapter, but then they did absolutely nothing with it in the second. You get to go to the baddies' lair and expect to find out why everything that's been told to you happened and maybe you'll even explore the place... except you wont, you only got to re-explore environments from the first chapter and the baddies just die and you'll never know what was behind everything.

Honestly, I don't know where they spent all of the money, it put me off Double Fine for the rest of my life.

Actually, that with the Dreamfall Chapters dick move (they haven't even finished the game yet but they gave it away dirt cheap recently, thus making me feel like an idiot for backing their KS campaign) made me finally decide that I'll only ever back stuff if it looks like it needs every backer and it looks really interesting. For everything else, I'm going to wait for reviews, or I'll just buy it for cheap when the developer sells it dirt cheap on Steam before they even gave me my completed game.

SOUR.

>>144136284
>Honestly, I don't know where they spent all of the money

Anita Sarkeesian's kickstarter?

>>144136284
>Dreamfall Chapters
i backed that on paypal for 200$ for a physical copy. i'm not included on the kickstarter updates so i have no idea if i'll ever get one.

>>144136284
I never finished the last five minutes of the game because of one of the final puzzles. Sorry you had bad experiences backing projects.

>>144136953
I backed on KS, they said that the next update should say something about the rewards, if you're likely to be around every now and then I can post here if they do say anything about physical copies.

I guess this will fit here since at least the Sakura series is English..

Is any of the VNs in the current indiegala bundle worth picking up for its price?

https://www.indiegala.com/animeangels

>>144138734
It all looks pretty shit to me
I'd pay a buck for Impulse! but the rest i have no interest in at all

If I'm writing a harem/romance story, what's the best type of MC for that? I want to default to the generic NEET self-insert since that's the audience that reads that (I think), but would one with actual flaws and character be appreciated?

>>144141554
Asking here isn't necessarily going to get you the answer that corresponds with the majority of customers. There are strong camps in favor of both bland self-inserts and defined characters. Either way, some people will be happy and some won't be.

>>144141554
In all the VN-ish communities I lurk in that are more actual VN (as opposed to mobile VN) and otome and/or BL heavy, they say they tend to prefer MCs who have a personality of some sort unless it's more of a sandbox story game where they build-their-own based on choices made.

Not sure what it's like in those communities that are more bishoujo-oriented or yuri-oriented. I would assume communities oriented more around mobile games are less sensitive to boring MCs. Probably the same for ero-games.

Is your story about a generic NEET doing shit or do you just think you'll get more response to your game that way?

>>144145374
>and otome and/or BL heavy

I don't know about general opinion, but in those specific cases I prefer a MC with an actual personality because devs seem to think that self-insert = extreme doormat.

>>144147245
What's wrong with getting locked in cages?

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>>144147245
Specifically defined otome protagonists with faces and backstories are often STILL doormats.

>>144147459
They're just jealous they don't have boyfriends who want to protect them

Post your favorite royalty free music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhQDDlCAhc4

>>144147245
At least a doormat is a form of personality... (It's a dumb one. But better than Bella-type self-inserts.)

>>144147541
i think it makes sense because in a lot of otome games the men tend to be on the abusive side and lock girls in human cages they happen to own, so they would go for a doormat. when girls have an assertive personality they often appear in these stories as slut#1 and disgust men by being a whore and trying to touch the guys pecs. these women also tend to end up dead or disgraced.

or maybe i'm overthinking this.

>>144149584
This is one of my favorites.
https://archive.org/details/The_Public_Domain_EP

>>144150035
my racist two cents is that mainstream japan is still so fixated on perfect submissive girls who never demonstrate desires of their own that they can't write protagonists as anything other than doormats because then she'd be a slutbitchwhore

hilariously a lot of their fanbase still think their protagonists are slutbitchwhores because if five guys are attracted to the MC, even if she only dates one per route, she must have been leading them all on

As far as the cage-locking goes, at least with a western audience, combative relationships are popular, so a sassy girl arguing with abusive boyfriends who lock her in cages would probably get some fans

>>144151172
>sassy girl arguing with abusive boyfriends who lock her in cages would probably get some fans
sassy protagonists are the WORST.

>>144152126
>female protagonist
lol what a meme
Women aren't capable of thought in a way that makes a compelling protagonist. At best you can have a man turned into a woman. All a girl wants is dick and security (usually money). Men want something more, like recognition of their creativity. It's the foundation of everything we know. Tip your fedoras, I don't fucking
care

>>144152452
here's your (you)

>>144152539
Here's your (you) buddy. (You) might want to rethink your masterwork for just a touch of realism.

IN A WORLD WHERE ALL GIRLS WANT DICKS
(There's just not enough futa in this thread)

>I don't know why but it seems that a lot of people playing visual novel are insecure or react quite strongly about this subject as i have seen in many places.

>Many times people are justifing the existence of h scenes in vn with the argument that it's for the sales while saying themselves that they don't like h scenes in vn. Where does this inconsistency comes from? Because it's contradictory to say that people want to play vn for the story and then say that without h it would sell less or that they are necessary otherwise. There isn't any logic there.

>As far as i 'm concerned, i'm strongly against H scenes in vn and especially vn who use them extensively. Are there people who think the same here? My reason to not wanting h scenes in vn is that it not only degrades the medium but also added a distorted buissness practice for the japanese developpers who now only do this as tradition without any actual justifications.

>>144152826
The female was born to receive penis, and its associated products. Those that wish for something else are mutants. Mistakes, but not inhuman for it A woman wants the dick to produce child, as many as possible, to grow the human race. Our genes don't recognize overpopulation, race, anything. Only the need to receive and give penis.

>>144126879
>MC is a self-aware 2edgy4u that doesn't sell
What do you mean? He seemed normal to me. Not the most fun guy to have around, sure but not particularly emo either, considering circumstances.

>>144153107
I want puritans to go and stay go.

>>144154094
Sex scenes don't advance the plot. Unless they contribute character development, they're a waste of time.

>>144154528
Detailes cgs, bgs and sprites don't advance the plot, why wate time and money with them. Out. Good music doesn't advance the plot. Out. Most slice of life, chats about food and lacrosse don't advance the plot nor provide ""meaningful char development"". Out. Most worldbuilding goes into unnecesary detail? Who cares whou does the time machine work, Okari? Out with it already.
If you are concerned about writting the shortest and most to the point story possible, become a screenwriter.

>>144154528
They're fun.
Fun is part of games.

>>144155224
You're not a screenwriter? Get out out my business. I exist to produce the most efficient and meaningful version of a script that I can. If you're not, you're wasting the audiece's time

>>144155224
>chats about food and lacrosse don't advance the plot nor provide ""meaningful char development""
they don't unless your vn is about food or lacrosse.

>>144155628
You exceeded your alloted 20 words answer pal. Cliffhang that shit it for next week's canned fun dose.

Anyone participating in the ilujam, yaoijam, or Summer Novel Festival? (Or even the kuso jam, I suppose.)

>>144156240
Good luck peddling your wordy romance novel. It's inherently trash.

>>144145374
Honestly I was just thinking of writing a romance story but I'm finding that it's hard to keep it engaging with a self-insert MC who has no personality (even I'm falling asleep writing it).

I'm just afraid that giving him a personality will turn off my audience.

>>144141998
I always thought people generally preferred one over the other.

>>144156404
I'd wish you good luck revolutionizing the genre, but I'm sure you don't need it. You are doing great, everyone is talking about the VN you are developing.

>>144156362
I wish I had the time, resources, and anonymous release pipe to make the i love you yaoi trek jam game
>>144156404
But isn't that true?

>>144156987
People do prefer one over the other. Individual people. Differently.

>>144157027
I'm too intoxicated to have your sarcasm bother me. I could be making a picture not give a shit

>>144157313
As long as you're not making a picture of a shit

>>144157401
"A shit"? I'm drunk and that still makes no sense.

>>144157062
>i love you yaoi trek jam game

I'm kind of surprised there isn't a K/S vn yet.

>>144153107
Why do people view sex as degrading and shameful? Why is that so ingrained into our culture that a nipple will bump a rating up to an R, but you blow someone's head off and it could remain PG-13? Twitch bans every porn game they learn about, but the only games they'll ban for something like violence is when it reaches an AO rating.
Why do puritans still exist in this day and age? I really don't get it. Sex is great. It's a beautiful thing that's both incredibly enjoyable and allows us to bring new life into the world. Why are we so ass backwards as a civilization that we're perfectly fine with and entertained by graphical depictions of people being brutalized, to the point where many don't even mind showing their kids, and yet those very same people freak out over even the tamest nudity/sex?

>>144158427
because our reptilian overlords want human race to die out

>>144158427
Sexual contact is to be relegated to those worthy of breeding. Surely you understand this. Unless you meet the female's standard, you are denied breeding priveges. It's simple nature.

>>144145425
Is that a cg or just background plus sprite?

>>144158427
Don't try to reason with them. Puritans act retarded because they are retarded.

>>144156987
Just write the story you want to write, god damn. If it makes you feel better, western males tend to dislike the standard no personality nice guy protagonist found in the romance and ecchi genre and are very appreciative of characters with their own personalities. Even when they're shit, like Yuuji.

And protip: self-insert doesn't mean no personality. Plenty of people self-insert into MCs with personalities they identify with or wish they had.

>>144152665
Is this ero?

>>144156987
Good romance novels give both characters personalities - why would a VN romance be any different?

If you're bored writing it, it's going to show. And, considering it takes us a shitton longer to write a story than it takes a reader to read it, why would you hate yourself enough to write something you can't muster enthusiasm for?

If nothing else, give them a personality of some sort for the sake of the love interests. (Uh - you *do* like the love interests, right? If not, then I'd wonder if you were even in the right field.)

>>144161032
>western males tend to dislike the standard no personality nice guy protagonist found in the romance and ecchi genre
these men may exist, but they are not the VN demographic

>>144126371
>https://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=38769
Does not exist.
What did I miss ?

>>144168087
>i want to make more diverse characters
>but im scared ppl wont accept me :(
>pls help
Or just read every other post linking to it.

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>>144161032
>Yuuji
>Shit

Someone can't appreciate the Juicy Yuuji.

>>144168087
infel being infel

>>144167827
Yes they are. They're the hardcore fans.

>>144172964
Those are the discernig ones. Plebs won't care either way and will eat whatever shit they are dished, but patricians will scoff at cookie-cutter nice/donkan harem agglutinators.

What is the most successful EVN? Is it still the Christine Love's Hate games?

>>144175449
that's easy; sakura spirit.

>>144158427
They don't. It's just that when you allow nip slips, you open the floodgates for giant tentacle incest bukkake inflation rape-porn.

wake up pupper

Can there be a serious EVN story that features waifu? Or are the two mutually exclusive.
>CL's character in the Hate series isn't waifu material

>>144180434
Of course there can.

http://www.siliconera.com/2016/06/01/catch-thieving-mmo-player-free-otome-visual-novel/

Silconera coming at you with all the latest news in EVN.

>>144169393
Tbh I think Yuuji is insufferable.
But most of the girls in Grisaia are also varying degrees of annoying.

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>>144181397
>800x600
>2016

>>144177303
>you open the floodgates for giant tentacle incest bukkake inflation rape-porn
And that's a problem because...?

>>144175449
Long Live The Queen

>>144180434
From all the cake-baking, clearly some people thought they were waifu material

>>144184112
it isn't from 2016, that's the point

>>144180434
there certainly can be, you just have to segregate the story from the fanservice
girls can be waifus without ever doing anything lewd, and a lot of times their character and therefore their quality as a waifu is strengthened by doing good or interesting things

>>144189339
if I can put my dick in it, 7/10 for the design
if I can't, then WHAT'S THE POINT

>>144151172
>slutbitchwhore
if i ever play an otome name with a nameable protagonist, then i'm naming her this

>>144153107
>Because it's contradictory to say that people want to play vn for the story and then say that without h it would sell less

Is it that hard to understand that many people who say they don't like H scenes are just lying to keep from being seen as a pervert? Many vns without H scenes or ecchi don't sell well. While vns with H or ecchi are basically guaranteed to sell at least a certain amount.

>>144180434
Why do you think Evangelion is still popular? Giving cute girls serious character development actually makes them more desirable.

>>144145425
Nice backgrund

>>144194981
Nothing is more delicious than Anno's frustration at his deconstructions becoming some of the most prolific waifus of all time.

>>144194981
>Why do you think Evangelion is still popular?
Because it came first.

Happens to lots of manga and anime franchises, not a quantifier of quality.

>>144199668
Is this why Dischan is still so popular?

>>144199668
Are you being contrarian or do you actually have a reason to dislike it other than it being popular?

>>144199738
It sure is why Ren'Py is popular with the Western market, as opposed to nscripter and other engines widely used in Japan.

>>144199941
I do have quite a lot of reasons, but it doesn't feel like it's worth discussing if you're instantly assuming anyone who doesn't think Eva is a blessing from the gods is a contrarian.

>>144199941
>do you actually have a reason to dislike it other than it being popular?
not him, but I like Evangelion and I agree with his post
it's not the godly work of art people hype it up to be, it's just a good thing that people elevate above other good things because its older than them

>>144199971

Ren'py has documentation and a community that speaks in english so questions are readily answered, only people who like nscripter in the west are hipsters jerking off about their snowflake engine that doesn't really mean anything when all you want your engine to do is show your Vietnamese slideshow :^)

>>144200606
But how will your EVN become a real VN if it's not made with a japanese engine?

>>144199971
Ren'py is really simple to use if all you want is basic vn functions.

Not familiar with nscripter, but I know that MangaGamer ported their Higurashi release from nscripter to something else, so it has to have some limitations.

>>144199971
Nscripter was available first but it's a bitch to work with.

>>144200606
>only people who like nscripter in the west are hipsters
Great way to dismiss people who can do something you can't, chalk it up to elitism.

>>144200209
You made it sound like you didn't like it because it was popular. I don't even like it myself.

How do you deal with the problem of varying poses for sprites?
There's only so many ways you can draw someone standing before it starts to look unnatural or forced.

>>144202608
On average a single must character has:
>3 main poses
>2 clothes
>30 expressions

That's 3x2x30 = 180 variations for one character.
Just choose the most common and fluid poses (raised fist, hands on hips, etc.) if it still look unconvincing, then your problem may lie in the facial expressions.

>>144204162
> on average

since when? 180 variatons seems way too much for the average evn.

>>144204162
>30
Are you sure that number seems right?
I can't even think of jap VNs with characters having 30 expressions

>>144204739
Maybe N+C ones, but they have a huge emphasis on graphics.

>>144204403
Evn? Yes.

>>144204739
My artist gives me 25-30 different expressions, even ones I didn't know I would need. For example, he has:

COMEDY afraid (w/ sweat drops)
COMEDY afraid (w/out sweat drops)
SERIOUS afraid (open-mouth) (open eyes)
SERIOUS afraid (closed-mouth) (open eyes)
SERIOUS afraid (open mouth) (closed eyes)
SERIOUS afraid (closed mouth) (closed eyes)
HORROFIED afraid (bags under eyes)

According to her, the secret to an expressive sprite is to treat the face as one object and not a sum of parts where I can just jumble eyes, mouths, etc. So far she's doing a good job so I don't contest it (although she occasionally suffers from "same-eyes syndrome"). Pretty sure the japs have a wider catalogue that I do. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if they have a label for every eye sparkle variation.