/gerg/ - Giant Extreme Robots General

>>144310116
>Will Kong make it out of this one?
Too shit to actually win games
Too busy to keep the thread alive

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Have you gotten your 10 kills today?

>>144313421
Jesus christ

UAC10 Kodiak?

>>144314135
Actually 2 ppc and 2 gauss.

Most viable builds for the upcoming NigGyr?

I'm thinking:
>3x UAC5 4x ERML (5x on the NTG-D)
>2x Gauss 3x ERML (4x on the NTG-D)
>2x UAC10 5x ERML (6x on the NTG-D)

Even then, I'm finding out that these builds may not hold a candle to the IS equivalents or the omnipresent laser vomit.

>>144317958
4UAC5
3UAC10

>>144318419
>4x UAC5
Gets 7-8 tons of ammo depending on amount of sacrificed armour. Even less if you stuff in a targeting computer.

>3x UAC10
Gets 7 tons of ammo but deals with ghost heat.

>>144318783
And?

Do you think that's not enough ammo? It is for both of them.

>>144318783
> deals with ghost heat.

Oh no, 2 extra points of heat on my incredibly cool guns

>>144317958
>>144318419
NGR's armament is pretty scary for a heavy.

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nth for zerg.

Which timber madman CT is better, the energy one or the JJ one?

>>144320834
And it's still not enough to efficiently punch through IS armour and kill them before they cripple you.

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This is how I imagine frumpy dumpy kit

>>144323106
CT you shitlord

PGI have been eerily silent for the past couple weeks. The only thing they've talked about has been something to do with the gigantic flop they call their tournament.

The regular playerbase is losing interest at an exponential rate. 288 people being catered to with their little counter strike experiment while the rest of the couple thousand who fund this process languish and wither away.

Where's the rescale, the new heat system, the weapon reworks, the quirk rebalancing? Where's the future of this game?

>>144310116

Just watched the first day's stream and wanted to say congrats to KongLords on their win.

>>144327339
>new heat system

hopefully never

Rescale is in a couple of weeks for the next patch, along with the requirkening.

>quirk rebalancing
What are they going to do? Tone down IS mechs? Quirk clan mechs/omnipods? Keep buffing IS mechs because clans imba?

>>144327339
There are 1900 people in the tournament and the playerbase is more or less the same as it was a year ago but you go ahead and think whatever you'd like.

>>144332331
It's hand in hand with the rescale, so what we should be seeing is nerfs to mechs that had excessive quirking due to size related performance problems, and perhaps the opposite as well for those mechs that are getting bigger.

But it's PGI, so who knows.

Ones to look out for: Catapults, Novas, Quickdraws, Dragons

>>144334064
So I take it the clan Huelanders and Onions aren't going to get anything?

>>144335680
Clan tech is OP

>>144335680
Russ has said they're also revisiting the IIC's, but might not be in this quirk pass.

>the repainted concept art threat is kill
butwhy?

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Surprise tits.

>>144317958
I'm definitely running one with laser vomit. 2x LPLs in the side torsos, one medium in the head, two and two in the arms, fuckloads of heatsinks and a targeting computer.

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when

>>144343159
When you let Russ snort coke off your ass as you blow him.

>>144343159
bane?

look guys, it's techwarriors:tactics online
http://store.steampowered.com/app/444180/

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Yo i won again
we /living in another way/
forgot to make another post but yeah up to neck in work somehow i do it. go figure

>>144345486
The quirk plan lists Oxide, Banshee, Battlemaster here, Marauder, Mauler

The first one to talk gets to have quirks

>>144345652

So that's where the MWT code ended up auctioned off to.

>>144317958
Well, Jade Kite might have potential in an advanced Hellbringer build.

Left Arm with 2x UAC5s, Torsos with a large pulse laser each, head and right arm with a total of 3x er medium lasers. 6 tons ammo, targeting computer and 2 extra double heatsinks. It may end up a bit crispy, but it might also end up pretty efficient at pumping pintpoint damage up to 600 meters.

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>>144349516
>http://store.steampowered.com/app/444180/

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>>144354098
>;)

Ayy

Anyone here has highlanders/IICs? What kind of builds you put on your shitmechs, members of my family?

>>144363369
4 LPL streak 6 in the torso with 2 streak 4s in the arm. Other varient is Goose with ER Large to fight long distance.. The C variant I think that has the two ballistics is 2 UAC 10 and what ever else you want in it.

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fucking whispers and harabec get on

Someone record this

So when is Kong gonna play in the ComStar fan tournaments?

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Kills Secured

>>144367814
Nice, so how it is now, 2 wins and 2 losses?

>>144368776
whatever

>>144368776

Bantz

>>144368776
Yeah

>>144341871
You won't be able to do that.

>>144372463
kong doesn't do that

>>144341871
you have locked slots in your side torsos
so not enough space to bring lots of heatsinks

>>144373327
They don't

But realtalk the Night Gyr can't do laser vomit or energy-only builds, they are too light for it.

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i'm really itching for a mech game. is MWO worth jumping into? it's not pay2win like world of tanks or something, is it?

>>144383584
It's not pay2win. You can buy mechs early but that doesn't really matter.

>>144383584

give it a shot but i wouldn't recommend dropping much/any money on it.

>>144383584
>is MWO worth jumping into?

No.

Don't listen to the give it a shot people. Time is precious and would be wasted on a turd like MWO.

>>144383584
>is MWO worth jumping into?

Yes.

Don't listen to the shitposters. Game is great and only getting better.

>>144367814

Kakos "BlackJackAttack" Kolos credit to team, I see.

>>144383584

MWO is worth it because there literally is nothing better.

Not that it's great, but it'll scratch the itch. About the only thing I'd spend money on is Mechbays, and that simply because it allows you to dodge the horrible void of hatred and suffering that is Faction Warfare.

It's not P2W, if only because virtually all robots end up going in a straightforward process of real money -> MC (game currency, most commonly gotten for money but also for events and FW) -> Cbills (gotten via normal play). And the ones that can't be aren't going to dominate vs. Cbill-buyable robots.

Spend your Cbills carefully, though. Game gets more grindy after your academy + first 25 games with notably lower Cbill gain.

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>>144313421

>>144383584
>i'm really itching for a mech game.

Go play something else, there's nothing here but broken dreams and a bunch of shills

>>144367814
who the fuck is FLH?

>>144383584
Follow your dreams anon.

>>144383584

it's a time fuck sink.

>thread being kept alive by the power of shilling and shitposting

I love it when people come together

>>144388439

All videogames are. What, you think we get material gains out of most of our entertainment?

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Charger when?

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>>144363369

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>>144383584
:3

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>>144389582

>he owns all huelander eye eye cees.

>>144390039
I bought them à la carte along with Hunchie IIC's. Come at me Vasshole.

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>>144349516
:))))

>>144390903
I'll show you something golden to milk...
*unzips*

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What tier are y'all in?

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play now my lord

>>144392281
1, but not like tier matters unless you're so shit you stay in 5 forever

>>144392281
I WISH I was forever stuck in tier 5.

At least then I'd be able to play fucking retarded builds and still have fun, and not be meta compliant to even make a dent.

>>144392457

I could totally get into this game, but their robots are butt ugly. They look so boring and generic.

Guys is MWO p2w?

MWO is guys p2w?

>>144383584

ho man, i expected some crummy cod/arena shooter like hawken but i was pleasantly surprised. it can be pretty intense

>>144392457
That's clearly a ripoff ACH.

>>144394062
no, is original game

where is proofs of ripoff tovarisch??

>>144367814
Well done my klords

>Smoke jags 7% population
>Ghost Bears 9% population
>Jade Falcons 12% population
>Wolves 11% population
>Liao, Marik, Kurita are at 8%, 9% and 9% respectively


Why do we have this many factions if we're going to limit the places that can be defended or attacked, again...?

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>>144394449

>>144396536

A better question is why do we have CW in the first place?

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http://www.localditch.com/mechwarrior/mpbt/shot3big.jpg

a pale imitation

RIP greg

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>that bonus mission

Which is better for ebin jaggy; 2xUAC10 4x ERML or 3xUAC5 3xERML?

>>144403656
2LPL 4ML

Also 3UAC5 3SL actually gives you some ammo

>>144404184
>3UAC5 3SL gives you some ammo
But suffers in the firepower department when all three of the UACs inevitably jam.

Also, I've already got like 5 clams with the damned LPL+ERML combinations, I'm getting really fucking tired of using just that and nothing else.

>>144389582
>not even putting a 4th srm6 in the missile variant
Nigga please

>>144404726
Well too bad because everything except 2LPL+MLs is shit, thanks to piggy's ideas of game balance.

>>144406129
>Well too bad because everything except 2LPL+MLs is shit, thanks to piggy's ideas of game balance.

Okay, I guess I can leave this game be. It's like playing a sluggish counterstrike with just AK's and nothing else.

>>144407270
Well, they totally butchered clan heatsinks and pretty much all clan weapons that aren't LPLs, ERMLs and boated streak6s. Also a lot of the clan mechs have bad combinations of available tonnage and hardpoints which even further limits what you're allowed to do.

>>144407560
Actually C-SPLs are among the better weapons in the game, provided you have the capability to use them.

>>144409718
The problem is that you need to have sufficient energy hardpoints and tonnage to take full advantage of them, and the meta isn't exactly favourable to getting in point blank range.

>>144410147
Hence capability to use them

12SPL SCR, 6SPL Jenner, Viper etc are all great at what they do. Doesn't work too well for heavier robots though.

The C-UAC10 is amazing too of course for heavier robots, but the HBK-IIC, Night Gyr, Kodiak, and Dire Wolf are the only mechs that can/will truly use them well enough.

Okay I've been playing for maybe a month so I don't know how things usually work with this game

http://mwomercs.com/forums/topic/175983-ui-typo-located-master-tier-module-slot/

But why the fuck hasn't this been fixed yet?!

did the klords get eliminated from the tournament yet?

/shouldn't have let IS-only idiots on the team.

>>144410682
>NigGyr

Well, it can run the 2x cLPL 2xUAC/10 w/ 6 tons of ammo, or 5 tons of ammo and a targeting computer.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/OutreachHPG/comments/4mghis/cwdg_mwowc_scheduling/

Gyrok, of delta galaxy fame, has taken his roleplaying ball and is going home.

ggclose.

>>144412745
You can't get eliminated from the tournament

we don't have any IS-only idiots on the team though

2W 2L

>>144413269
>You can't get eliminated from the tournament
Yeah there are still hundreds of matches to be played. Except like only 5 of them will actually be played because everyone else is DQd

>>144410682
Most of the clan weapons are still insanely crippled in mwo. On top of stricter ghost heat penalties. On top of quirk disadvantage. On top of locked equipment making the omnimechs actually have worse customization.
>hurr give clrms minimum range on top of shittier firing patterns
>hurr give cerppc -5 damage
>hurr ultra autocannons
>hurr torso twist
>durr

Like how many multiplicative layers of nerfs are necessary? And then they do stuff that's just plain passive aggressive pettiness like making the Dire Wolf's cockpit a torture device.

>>144416087
>And then they do stuff that's just plain passive aggressive pettiness like making the Dire Wolf's cockpit a torture device.

Or inflate the hardpoint count on IS mechs to be equivalent to or greater than clan mechs, while still giving said mechs the same amount of quirks as the mechs with only a handful of hardpoints (cough orion cough).

>>144414412

seriously, with how much of a pain it is working around the schedules of hundreds of old men from across the world, people are just gonna give up.

>>144416087
I thought the IS LRMs have minimal range.

Hello?

>>144419503
Yeah and clan lrms don't, the minimum range in MWO is just something they pulled out of their ass.

>>144413269
What do you call Pizzadog then?

>>144422592
Rather stupid

>A humongous patch coming in 17 days
>A patch which PGI has hyped up to shake the balance of mechs up
>they've gone completely and utterly silent on it
>They're barely interacting with the championshit tournament community as it is

Expect delays on it again :^)

>>144424039
>oh my god he gave quirks to highlander iic
>the absolute madman
>we can't release this!

Remember of all the largest units to be in. Its best to whine about Clan Mechs that have quirks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFnEbCEY0ZA

>>144424381
>literally thinks clan mechs are supposed to be shit
>thinks IICs don't need quirks
>thinks the game had any kind of balance before kodiak
Jesus christ what a fucking retard.

>>144425315
Well the whiner is a nigger, so d'uh. Of course the creature is retarded.

>>144425547
It's amazing how that guy has absolutely zero self-awareness.
>ISfag complaining about quirks being too strong, the game being unfair and power creep

>>144425832
The nigger is not specifically an nigger spheroid, but the thing does forget it's perspective because MS has recently spent such a long stint playing nigger sphere.

MS recently went clan, and their interest in playing clans has reduced quite a bit, a lot of them complaining that clan mechs are underwhelming, uninteresting and one-dimensional.

>>144426078
>>144425832
Not to mention the pavement ape completely ignores the fact that Maulers outdamage and murder dire wolves with equivalent builds, Black Knights slaughter timber wolves, Warhammers walk all over any clan 65 or 70 ton mechs, even making timber fearful. Riflemen are more than capable of destroying hellbringers and ebon jaguars. Marauders are retardedly good.

Only the Archer has trouble, but it's honestly the most balanced of the lot. Even with hardpoint inflation, it can't utilize all of them.

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>its another "make clans stronk like fluff" episode

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>>144428092
MFW when Clans get some type of buff.

>>144424381
>PHX will be every bit as bad as a Vindicator but they'll quirk it so it's going to be better!
>nevermind a few of the PHXs have good hardpoints, acceptable engine caps, or ECM, I'm too retarded to realize that
>The Atlas gets crazy structure quirks, why doesn't the King Crab?!
>nevermind all but two Atlases get shitty hardpoints and hardpoint locations, and those hardpoints mean they have to be close range mechs while King Crabs
>OH NO PEOPLE WILL WHINE THE ORION IIC NEEDS QUIRKS BECAUSE THE KODIAK WILL

This dude is straight fucking retarded even if he's right the Kodiak never ever needed quirks

>>144428092
>strong like fluff

How about making one side not blatantly better than the other?

inb4 "clan lasers have longer range and more damage, a-also Clan XL! g-guys really Clans do have advantages!" argument

>>144428425
I dont know why players think that. Clan XL's Suck the heat penalty we get for one side blowing up is tedious. IS Heatsinks are already better than Clan Heatsinks in terms of heat capacity. Heat dissapation a whole whopping .1 whew we sure do cool down quicker than IS Mechs.

>>144428092
>it's another .5 second long episode about IS laser vomit being totally balanced

>>144428754
Anyone who isn't completely braindead knows Clans are at disadvantages now by and large. That's what happens when you keep stacking nerfs onto them for a year straight, while buffing IS with not only health out the ass but also weapon quirks.

Reminder that SINGLE HEAT SINKS give more heat capacity than Clan doubles btw.

>>144429036
I thought Clans gave a bit more than the standard. Yeah well then you get the IS cry babies well remember when Clans were first introduced!

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Nice thread you guys got here.

Also, spheroids are balanced.

>>144429258
>being a #basicbitch

>>144429229
SHS: 1.2 capacity per
C-DHS: 1.1 capacity per
IS-DHS: 1.5 capacity per

Clans get a pathetic amount more dissipationthan IS dubs and that's it

>>144429562
Someone counted the difference between IS/ clan single, IS double and clan double heatsinks.

>IS singles and clan singles are equal in all aspects.
>IS doubles get 36% greater heat capacity than clan double heatsinks per heatsink.
>clan doubles get 7% greater dissipation rate than IS double heatsinks per heatsink.

>>144430002
Why would they count it?

PGI gave us the values when the patch hit.

>>144430146
PGI gave us the values, yeah, but I think this anonymous person wanted to illustrate the nonsense difference between the two, to give people some perspective on how lopsided it is.

Hello?

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Is this okay for a mixed setup? 48 damage up to 376 meters, with 20 damage that I can add to shake the targets cockpit all over the place or help a teammate that's out of line of sight fighting something big. 68 damage total alpha if the target is dumb enough to stay still.

I've got Radar dep and MPL range modules, wondering what I should put on the mech/ weapon module one.

>>144432767
Clan LRMS....

>normalize base spreads of all lrm launchers to somewhere around lrm10, makes no fucking sense for 5 to be so good and 20 so bad
>make clan lrms have no minimum range but get worse penalties when not firing at your own locks (dude zellbringen lmao)
>unfuck cerppc to 15 damage but decrease ghost heat cap to 1
>make IS erppc run cooler
>unfuck clan ultra autocannons to fire normal shells but give double tapped shots random scatter
>give all lbx autocannons tighter spreads
>make structure/armor quirks on all lights scale inversely with engine size so you only get extra if you're going at urbie speeds or some shit
>remove beam duration, heat gen, cooldown, etc quirks that increase dps or accuracy from most mechs and only give those really powerful ones to mechs with shitty hardpoints so there's atleast some reason to use IS shitmechs
>make omnipod weapon quirks only apply to weapons put into that specific bodypart and give them better quirks, so there's atleast some reason to use blatantly worse omnipods
>unfuck JJs for heavier mechs
Why don't they just do this?

>>144432928
LRM10's are bad against lights, and questionable against the mediums as they miss 20-40% of the missiles if they are moving fast in a perpendicular line. Shits retarded, but it is what it is.

Against heavies and assaults, though, it does concentrate on the torso areas more by adding 20 damage for just 8 heat, and most importantly it throws their cockpit around.

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>Bothering with trying to find ways to fix MWO balance

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Yeah!!! Literally me rn

>>144434734
5s and 10s are where they're at though.

>>144434971
But it would be so easy to atleast make it better.

>>144406129
That 4th SRM extends your hitbox, adds in ghost heat, and reduces your heatsink count and cooling.
No point in it.

>>144433931
>makes no fucking sense for 5 to be so good and 20 so bad
It doesn't make sense for clan lrms to have more spread either, since they all fly in a long stream rather than a single cloud.

>give all lbx autocannons tighter spreads
They did do that. LBX actually works ok now.

>make structure/armor quirks on all lights scale inversely with engine size so you only get extra if you're going at urbie speeds or some shit
That's stupid. No light wants to get one shot by a double goose mech which is what would happen.

>unfuck JJs for heavier mechs
All JJs should be better but the heavies and assaults are really screwed.

>>144436850
>adds in ghost heat
t. someone who doesn't know what they're talking about

>>144438463
Lights and Assaults are the worst. Heavy and Medium aren't half as bad as those two.

>>144438463
>No light wants to get one shot by a double goose mech which is what would happen.
They probably shouldn't be standing still in open terrain when assaults are shooting at them, then. And don't forget that everything already has doubled armor in MWO even without quirks.

>>144439292
You realize people can actually aim and hit moving targets even if they're small and running at full speed. I've done it often enough and I'm not even a great player. The only thing keeping most lights from being oneshot is their huge health quirks.

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>mfw phoenix hawk releases as a shitmech.

>>144439716
>one shot

Literally only a Locust can be one shot by dual gauss btw. 25 tonners have more HP in a side torso than that, unquirked.

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>>144441973

>>144441985
The stock Locust wouldn't even oneshot by dual gauss into CT without quirks, it'd still have 2 structure left.

>>144441973
>the shocking realization when your negroid semen clogged brain understands that Archer released as a shitmech

rip greg

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>>144441973

>>144441985
>>144442270
You're completely wrong.

A fresh unquirked locust can survive a dual guass shot only in the front CT if it's lucky. If it lands anywhere else it will either leg it or destroy it outright.

Even if it does land on it's front CT it can still kill it by critical hit damage.

>>144448026
>lights get hit in places other than their ct
who would have thoughts that

I don't understand why people complain about the Timber Wolf, when the Ebon Jaguar can pull off the same double large pulse quad er medium laser build and do it monumentally better to boot.

An ebon jaguar can stuff itself with an extra 15 double heatsinks and a mark 1 targeting computer, making it considerably more dangerous than the timber.

So why does the timber wolf get negative quirks?

>>144449909
>So why does the timber wolf get negative quirks?
piggy logo with googly eyes.jpg

>>144449909
The Timber Wolf can do it better with more heatsinks.

The EBJ gets a better peeking profile, nothing more.

>>144451126
>>144449909
And more armor

It's bullshit the TBR gets negative quirks though yeah, it doesn't deserve any whatsoever these days. It's what happens after 2 years of bitching about it though. Just be glad most of them are gone.

>>144449909
Protip: the TBR gets 5 internal engine heatsinks, the EBJ gets 3.

The extra 1t the EBJ has in podspace over it is is irrelevant the second you have to add a DHS.

TBR does energy builds better, end of story.

>>144451126
More heatsinks? How? Unless you take the TBR-A side torso (which is honestly a huge waste) you'll have to take a TBR-S side torso and pay the 2 slot/ 2 ton tax for the jets.

An equivalent build, the Timber wolf gets 24 heatsinks and a mk1 TC to go with the 2x cLPL 4x cERML.

>>144451747
There's nothing wasteful about the TBR-A ST

And the JJs provide an advantage should you choose to take those, too

>>144454131
>2016
>using tonnage on JJs

>>144454131
the negative quirks on both the A and the S side torsos combined make the timber wolf horrible.

You have to also remember that the ebin jaguar is 10 tons lighter, meaning that if you drop in an ebin compared to the madman, it's probable for the rest of your team to be slightly heavier or the enemies slightly lighter.

>>144455589
Not really

The negative quirks are negligible, they are nothing like they used to be

>>144455589
-5% accel and decel? -10% turn rate speed?

They aren't a huge deal anon. You don't combine the STs either.

>>144434734

On the other hand, the resulting damage shift tends to mean what does hit, hits low (that is, legs).

Indirect fire on a light that's moving sideways isn't so good for maximum hit % because face it, evasive action, but if you've got visual (and hence Artemis is working) LRM 10's actually make nice leg-clippers.

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>>144400862
Sadly not many people talk about the actually good MW games in here.

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What do MWO veterans think of this BJ-3 setup? I got rid of two medium lasers and with that weight I added two double heat sinks. I also replaced the original 2 PPC's with 2 ER PPC's. Smurfy is showing a 3% increase in cooling efficiency. I am a noob at this so if this setup is inferior to the standard setup of a BJ-3, please let me know. Thank you very much.

>>144460202
*Two of the original four that come with the standard BJ-3, I should clarify.

>>144460348
*Oh come on. I mean two of the 4 medium lasers were removed. Sorry.

>>144460202
Remove the MLs entirely and just run the PPCs

Should look at upgrading to a 235XL engine as well, get endo steel, slam it full of double heat sinks, and reduce to 3JJs

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=80&l=45f0ada042a8db4529d99a888d18917a770f40d2

it's one of, if not the best, jump snipers in the game

>>144460598
Thank you very much for the reply. In fact your suggestion is among those recommended on the metamech website. However, would I be a total fool to remove both remaining ML's and outfit my BJ-3 with 3 ER PPC's?

>>144442067
>>144435536

IS THIS SERIOUSLY THE FUCKING GARBAGE YOU PEOPLE ACCEPT?
FUCKING MUMBLETARDS