/sthg/ - Sonic the Hedgehog General

Looks like one of the NuSonic fans is mad that someone pointed out the truth about how shit the Modern Sonic games are

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GIVE SONIC BACK HIS GLORIOUS GENESIS DAYS

>>144213764
It's the only way to make Sonic good again

Name one thing that's ever went to shit and managed to recover from it
Media, countries, websites, anything

Besides the comics, obviously

>>144213842
Yoshi.

>>144213842
China. Went from rock bottom to one of the most successful countries on the planet. In fact, all of Southeast Asia really
>Besides the comics, obviously
You can't go to shit if you were always shit

I would rather go back to talking about why sonic porn artists are shit than that garbage the last thread ended on.

I think a lot of ideas that were used in the Penders era was very very good. Including the Romance stuff. Although I also feel that he lost his luster when he started actively sabotaging other writers and was being an egotist.

I kinda miss the wild free range the comic had before the mandates.

>>144214303
Fine, why are all Sonic porn artists so shit? Are there any we didn't cover last thread?

>>144214439
>I think a lot of ideas that were used in the Penders era was very very good. Including the Romance stuff. Although I also feel that he lost his luster when he started actively sabotaging other writers and was being an egotist.
That's because half of his ideas were ripped from better media. And even then, a lot of the romance stuff you probably liked wasn't him. It was Bollers

>>144214439
The potential that Penders' ideas had were what interested Flynn the most, if I recall. It was his implementation that squandered it all, as you said.

>>144214439
90s comics in general had a lot of shit in them that were charming but not necessarily executed well. The idea of the Egg Grapes is a fine idea that was cheesy enough to be something Eggman would actually make while being one of his most diabolical and devastating creations. However, I cannot agree that the romance was an aspect that was good. If anything romance should only be present in passing at the very most.
Also >>144214604

>>144214825
Not either of those anons but the only romance I would like in the comics is Antoine and Bunnie having cute moments together since they're married and all. That's about it. If any other married couples get introduced then I guess they can have cute moments too.

>>144214994
Even those should still be in passing and they have been so far.

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>>144214994
I'm fine with Bunnie and Antoine because they never had any fucking stupid love triangle bullshit or forced drama (Outside of the bullshit with Patch) like Sonic and Sally did.
>>144215061
Also this. And the few moments we've gotten are cute as fuck

>>144214604
>>144214680
>>144214825
>>144214994
I appreciate the feedback. I understand that having limits can be helpful, but I miss when the comic would do anything to catch the reader. Personifications of concepts like Vertical & Horizontal? Humans AND not-quite humans? Fucking Aliens out of nowhere that ended up being the origin of life as it was? Crossovers with Maxx AND Sabrina?

My All-Time favorite wacky thing the Sonic Comic did was Moses teaming up with Robin Hood. Shit was cash to me.

>>144215549
I kind of miss that too, but I like it and hate it for the same reason. It didn't feel like it belonged in a Sonic comic. Granted, that was half the fun of it, because you would never expect this kind of shit in a Sonic comic and it made the world feel a bit more trippy and unique, but it also added some really dumb shit
>Personifications of concepts like Vertical & Horizontal?
That also turned into giant killer robots

>>144215373
I recently came across someplace that was complaining about Austin's inks ruining pencil work quite some time ago. The fact it continues to this day proves Archie's not gotten any better about its staffing choices and that we have such good artists on the book now is more luck than anything.

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>>144215865
They're not wrong. For comparison here are Evan's original pencils for >>144215373

>>144215373
>>144216398
I'm not an art person. What exactly am I supposed to be seeing that's "wrong" about the colored version?

>>144216484
His inks tend to remove the smoothness from a lot of smaller lines. So the end product comes out a little more jaggy than before it got inked. I personally think all pencilers should ink their own pencils so at least if they fuck it up they ruined their own drawing.

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Holy fuck, that last thread. What did you niggas do?

>>144216484
This is the kind of thing I would love to see Evan or ABT chime in on.

>>144217990
Made a babby shit his diaper.

>>144217990
Retards took the bait instead of ignoring it.

What species would you like to see in the series?

>>144219268
Anteater. Also hornets

>>144219268
echidnas

>>144217878
>I personally think all pencilers should ink their own pencils so at least if they fuck it up they ruined their own drawing.
This is something only a casual observer would say.

Inking is an entirely different skillset than pencilling and can be extremely difficult, especially when done by hand. It's not just about choosing which pencil lines are important, but also dictating line thickness, fixing errors, determining how much of the shading is left to the colorist, creating art that will actually be readable in color, etc.

It's fucking hard. You want to see how hard, check TSI's poor attempt at re-inking an Endangered Species cover over at the Archie Online forums. Austin was one of the greats, and part of his problem isn't as much that he's not trying as his inking style being suited for the angular, striking style of 80's Marvel rather than the thin, soft curves of modern Architecture Sonic.

>>144219929
Sonic is too slow.

>>144220459
>This is something only a casual observer would say.
Nice high horse.
I understand what all goes into inking but no one knows how to follow an artist's lines like the artist that drew them. Part of me thinking that a penciler should ink their own drawings is implying that they know how to ink properly.

>>144220994
>Nice high horse.
I'm just going from experience. It's not the kind of thing most drawfag's would say.

I can't imagine most actual pencil artists wanting to ink by hand; I have a hard enough time inking digitally.

>>144221372
Me either. It's a personal ideal that I think would only work in certain cases but work well in those cases. It would also depend on the pecilers.

>>144220994
Inking is hard as hell, and if I pencilled for Archie, I know for a fact I wouldn't want to ink my own work.

>>144221601
Well now we're just changing the whole statement. Of course it works well for some people, you've got people who exclusively ink their pencils. The idea that--in a "perfect world" where all pencillers are great at inks--all pencillers should ink their own work is so dismissive towards professional inkers and sounds like a misunderstanding of the entire process. It dismisses inking as if it isn't just as integral as coloring for a finalized, colored page. If we're talking about that kind of ideal, why JUST the inker? Why isn't this person also the writer and colorist and letterer and editor so their vision isn't compromised? It's an inherently belittling statement.

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>>144219268
rats

>>144223085
Take it back.

>>144219268

is mayonnaise a species

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>>144223085
Cool.

Enjoy the vacation tho

>>144223085
You have a decent understanding of perspective, but it's trying too hard to be erotic and is just kinda gross.

4/10, draw cutes instead.

>>144223210
No Knuckles, mayonnaise is not a species

>>144223393
Didn't draw it myself, but a friend did. I just wanted to see more Bump/Anon shenanigans.

>>144223662
Well, tell your friend they have a decent understanding of perspective, but it's trying too hard to be erotic and is just kinda gross.

>>144223662
Okay, but t-
>>144223797
Hey, don't copy-paste me, bitch.

>>144224034
I'll copy-paste whatever I want! I'm obviously quicker on the draw than you, old man!

>>144224101
I'm...too slow...

>>144223797
>>144224034
Will do. He's more used to doing porn and like you said, it shows through. Thanks for the feedback all the same.

Already got my vacation ticket.
My that was quick.

That picture was great and should not have been deleted

>>144224335
Furry facesitting art goes on /trash/.

>>144217990
I just woke up to see the disaster, I even remember an anon once saying no one can argue about Sonic rationally...that anon was absolutely right.

>>144219929
The only was to break his heart... need more blue hedgehog suffering.

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>>144223393
What was deleted?

>>144224964
see >>144224376

>>144223085
God damn, it's been a long time since I've seen "no picture available" anon

>>144213842
TMNT

>>144223023
The main character is one, though.

>>144224964
I followed >>144224376's advice if you still want to see it.

>>144219929
How would Sonic react to not being the fastest?

Is there anyone who is actually faster than Sonic?

>>144225738
>How would Sonic react to not being the fastest?
Considering he got pissed at Jet for even insinuating that shit, I'd say pissed beyond belief. Metal Sonic could briefly move faster than him in CD, but it overloaded his systems, so Sonic can go the fastest for the longest period of time

>>144226056
Plus it's all natural, while shitters like the Flash cheat by using the speed force.

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>>144215373
>>144216398
Just leaving this here, found it on /v/ about maybe a week ago.

>>144225501
>tfw want to see it
>tfw at work

>>144226056
But I thought Sonic's whole deal was being "the fastest thing alive"
I wouldn't think he'd care too much about machines being faster than him, otherwise he'd probably be incredibly insecure over the existence of hypersonic aircraft
And any and all spacecraft, for that matter

>>144226697
>I wouldn't think he'd care too much about machines being faster than him, otherwise he'd probably be incredibly insecure over the existence of hypersonic aircraft
He wants to be the fastest PERIOD. I don't think he'd mind if spacecraft or planes went faster, but for something like Metal Sonic, he'd certainly mind

>>144226697
I think he'd take some issue with Metal, since he is a metal robot version of him. I figure he'd want to be faster than him rather than just an aircraft.

>>144226056
>>144226697
Well, you also have to consider Super Sonic. Super Sonic probably is much faster then anything we've seen in Sonic's World.

>>144222826
Came back and didn't expect someone to get so triggered over this.
>why JUST the inker
You want to know the similarity between penciling and inking? They both involve the linework. You want to know what penciling and coloring don't have in common? The fucking linework. Have an actual counterpoint to what I think instead of pulling something out of a hat to use. The only belittling statement here is yours for assuming I'm looking at this negatively when the only person that has said Austin doesn't fit is you.

>>144226697
I think Sonic would care about robots/AI. Maybe not so much aircraft or totally mindless machines, but I think Sonic would probably want to be faster than Metal, Silver Sonic, Shard, random badnik, etc. even if they aren't "alive"

Hell, I'd see him thinking of it as sort of a challenge that Eggman built his own Sonic to match him speedwise. I mean, he just straight up races Metal in CD rather than traditionally fight him.

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amy a cute

>>144226485
Downright fucking beautiful.
Can we get some more quality edits in here? This bait- v shit-post business put a bad taste in my mouth.

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Amy's the cutest!

>>144229002
Thought that was Roll for a second.

>>144228657
>Fingernails
They just don't look good on Mobians

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A Hedgehog with no memory of his past and four testicles! The newest saga of the bizarre adventure begins!

[SONOLION]

>>144213842
Germany

>>144228016
>You want to know the similarity between penciling and inking? They both involve the linework. You want to know what penciling and coloring don't have in common? The fucking linework.
Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?

I'm saying this again because there is no other reasonable alternative: this HAS to be the opinion of a casual observer. Nobody who has ever inked or colored a piece or art would be this ignorant.

To put this in perspective, we have to remember you're proposing an ideal world where all pencillers do their own inks. You're suggesting that since the inks take the place of the pencils on the final page, the lack of an inker would stop pencils from getting fucked over.

The problem is every other member of the team is just as important. Colors can convey tone, setting, mood, relationships and even levels of action. A bad lettering job can cover up important parts of illustrations and break flow and ruin the reading experience. A bad editor can fuck with the art, add bad effects to the colors, tamper with the script. Shit pencils can be a waste on good inkers and colorists and completely fuck the writer over, and a bad writer can be so vague that it screws the work from the start.

There's nothing wrong with saying "I hate X's inks, the pencillers should do it instead" because that's a judgement on the relative skills of several artists. Suggesting that pencillers should just do their own inks universally is just a ludicrous misunderstanding of how comics work on the level of moronic comments like "Ian shouldn't have to listen to an editor" and "Why do they need a separate person to write the words?"

Keep at it with pointless jargon like how "triggered" I am, though. You're nearly as bad as that moron who thought there was only one definition for tone in writing.

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>>144228657
Couldn't stop at the ears and leotard. Had to add the bitchlips and fingernails.

>>144231664
I kinda think one or the other would've been okay tho

>>144231474
>we have to remember you're proposing an ideal world where all pencillers do their own inks
More like where pencillers that can ink do so to their own work. Might want to work on your memory and/or reading skills.
>still going on about all that shit that has nothing to do with pencils and inks
Either keep focused or fuck off. I'm not going to keep arguing my point if you're going to go off on tangents related to things other than PENCILS and INKS.
>is just a ludicrous misunderstanding of how comics work on the level of moronic comments like "Ian shouldn't have to listen to an editor" and "Why do they need a separate person to write the words?"
No, it's not and even if your false equivalence comparison was correct, it would not apply to me because I never said that.
>calls me a moron
>can't read, focus, or even remember correctly
k

Anyone got any hot artist drama™ they wanna talk about?

>>144232545
You're favorite artist a shit.

>>144232789
Jokes on you, I have no favorite artists.

>>144231664
there isn't a version without those or I would have posted it. maybe we could ask our friendly neighbourhood drawfags to correct it?

What would Sonic be doing in life if he wasn't fast?

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>>144233708
Being this loser.

>>144233708
Chilling out maxing relaxing all cool, shooting some b-ball outside of this school.

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>>144219268

Cows

>>144232545
I don't know of any hot artists. Do you?

>>144233708
Be dead or a robot, since Eggman would win.

Now that I think about it, that would be the best ending.

>>144234019
Nah. They're all pretty fugly I imagine

>>144234018
I came

>>144234090
I've heard rumors that InCase is actually a hunk.

>>144215549
those are all reasons I loathed it.That and its execution

>>144228657
Not that Amy, though. That Amy a gross.

>>144219860
Boo to you

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Post your OTP

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>>144236382
>tfw revenge goes awry

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>>144233859
Ash would have been more interesting if he wasn't such an asshole. Would have made the feeling of Mina's endgame be more than just a Bad End.

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>>144237319
WHERE AND HOW

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>>144236382

>>144238828
At the mall by my house there is an anime store but they never really have sonic stuff. So when I saw this I bought it right away. I also bought a persona key chain.

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Megadrive can't get here soon enough!

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>>144242463
I don't care for Mega Drive.

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>>144243478
You take that back

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>>144243478
You sick monster.

>>144244743
Sticks is cute! CUTE!

>>144242463
Do you think it will live up to its expectation?

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>>144242463
This is what the comics should have been like from day one. I don't understand what kind of kitchen cleaner drugs the original Archie writers and artists were taking that caused them to shit out the nonsensical fever dream that is the early comics and satam which don't resemble the source material in the slightest.

>>144245580
To be fair, half the source material for Mega Drive wasn't even out by the time the comics were first coming out, so there wasn't as much to work with

>>144245580
Well whatever they were on I'm glad they were because what it got turned into is pretty fucking great.

>>144245775
No. it didn't.

>>144245775
It only turned out great because they started working from the source material. The old characters and plot elements and shit are only there out of obligation and they've had to be forcefully worked into the series.

>>144246141
>The old characters and plot elements and shit are only there out of obligation and they've had to be forcefully worked into the series.
Also to have characters that can actually grow, change, and develop because the Sega cast isn't allowed to but your explanation is valid too

>>144246078
Yeah, it did.
>>144246141
>they've had to be forcefully worked into the series
Hardly. They've managed to fit pretty well for the most part due to some hardcore dedication from the team that's been working on it for the last decade or so.

>>144243478
>>144245580
It's not even out yet.

>>144242463
Thanks for reminding me, just preordered on comixology

>>144246825
It's not out yet but that one image speaks volumes. It already stands out as far better as legitimate Sonic anything than any of the Archie issues pre-reboot.

>>144247409
>It already stands out as far better as legitimate Sonic anything than any of the Archie issues after issue 40 and before issue ~160
ftfy

>>144247409
I have a huge boner for the CD artstyle too but let's wait til it comes out to make that kind of judgement

>>144248112
It's not specifically about the CD art style. The image depicts something that's actually faithful to the source material, instead of random peyote fueled plot lines, batshit random characters and settings and style that have fucking nothing in common with the source material.

>>144248545
I just hope it's not too faithful. Don't need a rehash.

>>144248545
It also depicts something that would have died in 1995.
>that have fucking nothing in common with the source material
There are people out there that unironically think this.

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>>144248868
Yeah, that's really the only thing I'm worried about in Mega Drive. Though I pretty sure Ian Flynn realizes that the audience for this book is mostly die-hard Sonic fans, so I think he'll keep things interesting.

>>144245580
The source material for the comics was both of the cartoons: SatAM's setting with AoStH's tone. That's because the comics, if you include the mini-series, predate Sonic 2. The first year, again including the mini-series, predate CD. Sonic 3 came out when the comic proper was already at issue 10, Sonic & Knuckles at issue 18. Keep in mind this is also before the days of the Internet, so information on the games was limited to promotional material, and it was pretty much impossible to get info on Japan-exclusive games. Part of the reason why the Adventure adaption sucked (in addition to having to be shoe-horned into Penders' autism) is that they had to import a Japanese copy of Sonic Adventure and rely on anyone who spoke Japanese because Sega didn't give them info on the story.

So like I said, the comics were originally adaptions of the cartoons, not the games.

>>144248868
Honestly I have higher expectations for this than I do any hypothetical Classic themed game that would come out this year. The art alone is selling this for me. Hesse's pencils with Herms' colors? Fucking match made in heaven

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>>144249305
Fine then, the cartoons are what's fucked.
And so what if they couldn't get direct material from Japan; the games existed. They could play the games. Just that alone shows such a drastic difference between them and the cartoons that the cartoons and comics are pretty much in name only.

>>144248979
Are you retarded?
The cartoons have the following in common with the games:
Sonic, Tails, and barely rings and Eggman.
Not even these things are depicted the same, especially rings, which function completely differently in satam and don't even exist in aosth besides one episode where they're colored fucking blue. Eggman is renamed Robotnik and has a totally different design and personality. Nothing about the cartoons makes any sense in relation to the games. 99% of the material from the games, from settings to plots to style, are entirely absent, and tons of random shit is thrown in instead.
The comics did take from the games much more, but the representation is all kinds of fucked and it's mixed in with even more bizarre random shit that doesn't make any sense and has zilch in common with the games.

>>144250515
>The comics did take from the games much more, but the representation is all kinds of fucked and it's mixed in with even more bizarre random shit that doesn't make any sense and has zilch in common with the games.
Thank god the reboot fixed that then

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>>144250515
When you're talking about adapting a video game series that has had a grand total of one game with a second in the works and turning it into two syndicated cartoon shows and a monthly comic, sticking to the game material ends up being a very bad thing because it handicaps creativity so much. Granted SatAM probably went too far in the other direction, but it still turned out better than a games-heavy adaptation would've been.

>>144250515
Ha. Hahaha. Hahahahaha.
The general message of Sonic was present in Satam and his more cartoon aspect was present in AoStH.
Both the shows and comics worked with what they had and took creative liberties with what was provided. Ian managed to straighten out most of the canon problems in less than 2 years and with the reboot has made it almost exact with the game universe with a few additions.

>>144250515
>And so what if they couldn't get direct material from Japan; the games existed. They could play the games
In the case of SA1, it's because the game wasn't even out yet. If I recall, Sega was doing this for all things Sonic-related, basically forcing them to tie into SA1 without giving them a copy of the game, and since the game wasn't out yet in America, they had to wing it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5wavxZEkZo

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>>144251765
>Dorkly

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Have a Sage, /sthg/!

>>144201385
>all that lewd by other artists that were either taken down by sdash's request
Never requested anyone to take down their stuff. It's their drawings.

>>144253513
Sorry then, must have gotten that confused with someone else and their OC. Been a few years since I've been into that stuff so memory's shit.

>>144253513
Is it me or did you switch Sage's and Amy's hands? I think it would've been cuter if you had Sage's hands in Amy's gloves

Is there any word if anyone has received #282 early?

>>144253513
Cute. Thank you.

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>>144253513
Sage a cute!

>>144256891
They're talentless losers.

>>144256891
What's this?

>>144257070
>>144258594
Project Sonic Retro.

>>144259995
she´s gonna punch his shit.

>>144260939
Classic Knuckles and Classic Amy should have been in Generations.

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favourite piece of sonic merchandise GO

>>144262735
Weren't influential enough.

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>>144262779
Amy when?

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So I work at a thrift shop and was doing recovery tonight, and behind a bunch of electronics I found a "Find Sonic the Hedgehog" picture book. It has characters from SatAM and I think they used Robotnik from AoStH.

I'm going to pick that shit up and share the goods with you guys tomorrow, maybe.

The first thing I saw was Sally when clearing up the items and almost screamed "Holy Shit" so loud.

>>144263492
Cool, looking forward to that!

>>144263492
please do anon! i wanna see that shit!

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>>144263492
Please accept my Robotnik as an offering.

>>144263492
Sounds cool, yeah storytime it!

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>>144263492

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What are you eating tonight /sthg/?

Me, just a lil´ snack

>>144267548
Tomato soup and macaroni.

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>>144267548
That looks so good right now. I might eat my teriyaki chicken I just got.

>>144267548
>God damn that looks good
Also, just had some pizza from Domino's earlier, nothing special

>>144267548
Is that a munchy box? I wish we could get those here. I had homemade gyudon for dinner.

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>Hey Sal, ARE YOU OKAY?!

>>144267548
It's almost 1 in the morning, I already ate. I have no clue how the dish is called in English, either.

>>144267196
I love you dude.

>>144268668
>Also, just had some pizza from Domino's
Same here. What kind?

>>144269074
Pepperoni and Sausage, and what did you get?

>>144269191
Bacon, onion, and salami. RIP Hamlin

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>>144269316
His sacrifice was worth it, we're on top of the food chain anyways anon.

>>144271452
Cuuuute!

>all these guys eating nasty shit

If you don't eat well you can't go fast

after just shy of a month of eating healthy and exercising i'm starting to chafe so i guess I'm just bitter

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>>144254127
There's still three gift arts of her on my blog.

>>144254403
>Is it me or did you switch Sage's and Amy's hands?
Yes. Yes I did.
It was my plan all along!
It was too late when I realized that I drew the wrong hands. That's why there's Amy in the corner. That and it looks better with less empty space.

>>144267548
literally having a midnight snack as I work.
Giant Fuji Apple, Banana and Granola Bars, with a side of cashews.

>>144272743
Since my memory is shit, was Noir/Marron just a parody or a legit OC? And I did not know you had a blog, haven't had accounts anywhere, like FA, Inkbunny, DA, etc, in years so I haven't been to those places in years. So any links to it you may have put up I've missed.

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>>144273384
>was Noir/Marron just a parody or a legit OC?
Legit, but the thing posted in the previous thread was indeed a parody.
>Marron
I need to change that, because....reasons.
>So any links to it you may have put up I've missed.
Having it for years, but didn't use it in three years until march. http://s-dash.blogspot.de/

>>144267196
Can you draw more Amy?

>>144274867
Was her name ever Marron or was that another OC? Some places that have pictures up have her tagged as Noir others as Marron. Never seen a place have her tagged as both though.

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>>144275546
Wait. There's sites where she's considered tag worthy?

Marron is the replacement name for the version that "is" Rouge's mother. Basically Nega Noir.

>>144276192
A few boorus (X and Furry have her but I'm not sure about Dan or Gel, wouldn't be surprised if there was more), rule34 (dot) xxx, e621. And what I meant by having her tagged as both I mean one picture with both tags. Most of these have both "Noir_the_Bat" and "Marron_the_Bat" as tags with different pictures under each.

And hell, I even found an old RP site with an RP profile for her that I believed is abandoned.

>spoiler
I've read that a few times but I'm falling asleep at the keyboard here so I'm a bit confused, sorry about that. Maybe in the morning it'll be obvious to me and I'll feel dumber than usual.

And sorry about asking you about old shit so much.
Also I actually like Noir's design but I'm still not sure if I think it fits "Rouge's mother" or "Older Rouge" better.

>>144267196

my muse

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>>144259995
> That portrait of Silver
> Blaze's reaction
I find it just weird when fanartists get the personality of the characters so wrong.

Its not cute or funny, it's kinda of cringey to be fair.

>>144277312
>> That portrait of Silver
You mean portrayal? And just curious, how do you think Blaze would react to that?

>>144262628
Of course. Being the proud young princess that she is, what else would she imagine 'Fisting' to be?

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>>144276874
Interesting. Thanks for the info!
>Maybe in the morning it'll be obvious to me and I'll feel dumber than usual.
First there was Noir, mother of Rouge. With the time her look changed a bit and I decided to try making her a bit different than that. So there are two. Noir the Bat who is not related to Rouge and a nice person, and the old nasty Noir, who I've renamed Marron.

>And sorry about asking you about old shit so much.
No problem, but we gotta stop now. It's not /s-dg/ after all.

Good night, Anon!

How big will the shit storm be if sega does not announce sa3 this year

>>144278787
>How big will the shit storm be when sega does not announce sa3 this year
FTFY, and big because there's a lot of retards who expect SA3, much less anything this year

>>144278767
Alright, thanks and stuff. One last thing and then I'll leave this subject alone for now.

I just checked gel and dan, only gel has her under the "Noir_the_Bat" tag. Also of course there's the chance that all of these sites and others have pictures of her under just "tagme" or no tags at all even.

Any booru or site like that, that requires the users to get any tagging done instead of requiring the uploader to include a minimum number of tags or else it won't let them upload is pretty shitty. Any site that requires someone to make an account there before it'll let you add tags is even worse. Rustles my jimmies when shit is not tagged correctly.
I'd say go ahead and call me autistic but where the hell do you think we are?

>>144272915

C-c-color, plz?

>>144280351
This can literally be applied to any fucking fan base though

>>144280638
It's more common with Sonic.

Someone draw a Sonic style character, Sloth the Snail. Basically, reverse sonic. also has one foot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVSRjJL1bv8

So what happens if Sonic does get sold to Konami?

>>144280351

>"I just got on this whole internet thing yesturday! Isn't it werid!?" The comic

Is it still 2008?

I really wish they'd just give Tails a solid character and not make him an underaged self-insert, /ss/-bait character.

I'm just really getting sick and tired of all these Tailsfags projecting their shit onto him. Honestly I'm willing to take an even more extreme version of Lost World's Tails if it means giving him a solid character.

Actually yea, you know what. Make him an edgy ass, stereotypical pre-teen/teenager. That'll probably be the best thing to happen to him since his debut.

>>144284058
I kinda want to disagree with you, but i don't

>>144284058

He was sorta getting this vibe of "tired coder" in the comics that was pretty good pre-reboot.

>>144284198
At which point in the pre-reboot because I remember that when Ian took over he pretty much ignored Tails after House of Cards until the point to where he was actually decaying as a character. Eventually that carried over into the post-reboot and we got something from him in the Sonic Fighters arc but since we've had nothing.

Personally I believe Ian just doesn't like writing or even dealing with Tails and I can't really blame him. The character is essentially mandated to be nothing but a sidekick with barely any personality.

>>144282073
Sonic the Pachinkohog

>>144284481

More just the fact that he's always in the computer room in the background, just doing shit, eating donuts.

You're right though, he was sorta just a background character for a little while there.

>>144284481
Tails should be the straightman to Sonic.

>>144284481

Thinking about it now, it's extra weird that the reboot has been so barren for tails, considering Tails Sky Patrol AND Tails' Adventure are confirmed canon in the comics. I guess his games were more interesting than him...or, at least, they won't let him get as interesting as he should be.

>>144284857
They can't do that in the comics because Sally already fills that role. I'm talking about a personality that fits both the comics and the games.

>>144285290
just write him like Boom Tails. He's competent and over confident, intelligent and surrounded by people who aren't, but he doesn't look down on them, jsut becoming frustrated once in a while.

>>144285290
How the hell do we fix Sally? I have no idea, even when she became a robot people wouldn't stop kissing her ass.

Honestly the Slap is looking more and more justified, because although it made her dislikeable it at least gave her some character.

>>144285191
Well, honestly when you think about Tails since Ian started he's really just been treated as a punching bag.
Pre-reboot:
>Get's heartbroken (Even though this plot line was universally agreed to be stupid as fuck it still counts.)
>Father turns out to be actually stupid.
>Mother is a legitimate manipulative sociopath.
>Fights his best friend and it only ends in a "I promise I won't wrong you again :^)" There wasn't really any sort of make-up for what Sonic apparently wronged Tails on.
>Thrown into the background.
>Gets shut down or talked above when trying to communicate with his anti-self in a fashion that almost seems like he's being treated as a child.
>Has a Kuckoo rival that outclasses him in every way.
>Rival never shows up against him again. Just fucks around with other characters so the issue is never resolved.
>The Kuckoo themselves end up being big-bads for the FFs as a whole to deal with instead of just Tails' problem which effectively turned Tails' Universe arc into an introduction to another enemy. Retrospectively it wasn't even about Tails.
>Tails noticeably no longer has a big impact on anything. Most of the time he could be non-existent and it wouldn't matter.

Then we get to the post-reboot:
>Has to relive his memories of his parents.
>Literally does nothing more than sit at Sky Patrol with the occasionally ground trip.
>In Sonic Fighters he get's his ass whooped within a few pages.
>Although he's said to have impact on the story he rarely ever does.

I can kinda see why a lot of Tailsfags dislike Ian now.

>>144285942
Sooo basically what Rotor's turning into?

>>144286231
>Thinking about it now, it's extra weird that the reboot has been so barren for tails, considering Tails Sky Patrol AND Tails' Adventure are confirmed canon in the comics. I guess his games were more interesting than him...or, at least, they won't let him get as interesting as he should be.
Honest truth, even as a kid I never understood why Rotor was a character. Tails already fit his bill, and it never seemed to me that he had a purpose that wasn't filled by tails.

>>144286396
The fact of the matter is that regardless of the writer Tails seems to be stuck in this personality limbo where if they try to give him one he'll just stomp on someone else's.

That's the biggest problem when characters go undefined for as long as Tails is. You end up with a character that is no longer able to be defined unless you deliberately make them grating or unlikable.

Which is why I said >>144284058

The saddest part is that I'm a Tailsfag and honestly I hate how Tails is now his role in almost all the media besides the Boom TV show has been reduced to inconsequential or plot exposition.

>>144286639
Even Rote surpasses him at this point.

>>144286639
>Tails seems to be stuck in this personality limbo

That's because he's been shoehorned into weird roles. Tails is Sonic's sidekick and he can fly, where'd all this inventor bullshit come from?

>>144287504
Honestly I like him being an inventor. It gives a more balanced aspect of Team Sonic. You have Sonic with Speed, Knuckles with Strength and Tails with the brains.

I don't think Tails being really smart was ever the problem. The problem was that despite having all this to work with, they never expanded upon him or gave him a goal outside of the immidiate plot or any real aspirations to begin with.

The problem isn't his powers/abilities. The power is that he has nothing defining him as a character other than said abilities.

It's like how people nowadays identify themselves purely by the sexual orientation.

"I'm gay."
"And?"

>>144287776
No, it doesn't work because the Brains would some manner of authority over the others, while Tails is not even close to being Sonic's or Knuckles' equal. He's the utility guy, he can fly, he can swim, and he's almost as fast/strong as the other two.

>>144287973
The possible reason why he doesn't have much authority over Sonic and Knuckles is possibly because he's literally half their age maybe?

Regardless I don't think it's his inventor stuff that holds him back. Because even if we did get rid of that we still have the personality problem. He has no goal or aspirations and as of Lost World he's hardly a good sidekick. So hypothetically if we were to get a semi-sequel to Lost World that continued that trait with Tails but then gimped his intellect exactly what would he have at that point?

>>144288153
As far as I'm concerned the games are already fucked in terms of having decent characters or a plot so that's irrelevant.

As for the comic, Tails being the smart inventor-guy basically makes him an apprentice to fucking Rotor instead of Sonic. That is absolutely unacceptable.

>>144288374
Well considering that it was Sega of America's fault for not getting the point across that Tails was an inventor to begin with...

I mean yea, Tails was buff to hell in Adventures but you can't fucking tell me a child fixing a propeller plane engine and being able to manually fly it isn't something a brainiac would be able to do.

What I'm getting at is that Rotor stomped on Tails position if we want to get technical but that's irrelevant because as far as the comics are concerned Tails is thoroughly fucked regardless. There is no place for him to be in because of the sheer amount of characters already taking up roles he could fill.

>>144288564
He's the Gohan, the kid with potential. He's able to keep up with Sonic, and unlike Knuckles/Shadow he's loyal and helpful.

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>>144288709
Yes, but what exactly does this translate to for the comics? There's fuck all of a role to fill there.

>>144288709
Basically >>144288805

It'd feel out of place and Sonic is already constantly surrounded by other characters anyway.

So ultimately both the comics and the games have a problem with his character but for separate reasons.

The comic's issue is that there are simply way to many fucking characters.

>>144288805
>>144288908
Either he sticks with Sonic or he's the stand-in when he's not there. It's not that hard.

I like how they send down Antoine and Sally to fight giant robots while Tails stays in his shitty airplane to provide support. How weak do they think he is?

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>>144286639
Well there is a way to give Tails more personality. Just make him like he was in Adventure/Adventure 2. In those games he learns how to be more independent from Sonic and he learns how to be more courageous. The first thing he does in Adventure 2 is break into Prison Island to save Sonic. He's confident, but not overly so, and acts as the strategist of the group. Notice how nearly all the actions that the heroes take in Adventure 2 because of Tails' influence. He frees Sonic from Prison Island, finds out where Eggman and the Chaos Emeralds are, and comes up with a plan to stop the Eclipse Cannon.

Another thing to note about this is that even though he does come up with most of the plans that the heroes follow, he doesn't act as a leader, most of these plans are not orders but suggestions that the heroes follow. So he's a clever strategist and inventor but not a leader, and he can't really think on his feet as proven by how his plan was dismantled in Adventure 2. As for a more defined personally and ambitions, work with what we see in Adventure 1. That is, Tails' goal is to work for the public good by building inventions that help people and stop Eggman. So portray Tails as a kind person that works hard in order to make people happy and to create genuine positive changes in the world. The only problem with these traits are that most of them are already taken by Sally and Rotor, because Tails in SATam was just a useless little child.

>>144287504
It came from Tails Adventure, released in 1995.

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So, lets discuss it. What role could this two tailed shitbag actually fill?

Sally - Tactician and Leader.
Sonic - Face and Hero.
Rotor - Mechanic and Ship Command
Bunnie - Heavy support and sweetheart.
'Twan - Secondary support/all round guy.

One thing that is missing is something sleuthful like a spy. Going around and sabotaging shit, since he's got the brainiac thing going, he can hack shit and plausibly do a whole lot of other stuff, but, it brings with it more Rouge /ss/

Sticks with Sonic, breaks off when he has to, gets something borked for the team.

>>144289273
>Either he sticks with Sonic.
Not possible with how big the cast is. Sonic's adventures needs to have other character join in with him lest those characters also become decadent and decay.

>He's the stand-in
That's what Bunnie is for.

Also on the topic with your Gohan-esque thing. That would still make Tails smart since Gohan is the second smartest character in the entire franchise, next to Bulma. In terms of Good Guys at least.

>>144289446
I agree with you 100%.

The two biggest problems are:
The games are being written and created by a bunch of hacks and the Comic book is overstuffed and crowded with Characters.

Adventure 1,2 and Sonic Battle is pretty much picture perfect Tails in my eyes desu. Sonic Riders had a bit of his personality too.

>>144289524
Yeah, but he still fights. He doesn't sit in a control room and aim turrets.

>>144289463
He can fly. Do you know how fucked you are if you try to fight someone who can fly?

>>144289463
>
One thing that is missing is something sleuthful like a spy. Going around and sabotaging shit, since he's got the brainiac thing going, he can hack shit and plausibly do a whole lot of other stuff, but, it brings with it more Rouge /ss/

This might be an interesting thing to see develope, especially since foxes are known to be naturally cunning and sneaky.

The Rouge /ss/ though would be a negative side-effect though.

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>>144289773
Pic related, but what does it have to do with this context? Nothing I said subtracts from any other ability, just putting down a plausible role for him that might bring out some more personality. And one like this fits his independence thing.

>>144289773
Flying isn't really a role nor is it relevant when every other character has access to a machine/ability that let's them fly anyway.

Also, in the comics Ian has deliberately shown us that Tails is inadequate when it comes to combat.

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>>144290038
Because like you said, there are too many characters. All-rounders get shafted into support roles while character who can only do one thing (Sonic, Knuckles etc.) get all the action.

>>144290065
Since when?

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>>144289463
>>144289773
I have an idea. Why not take a page from Sonic X and make him fight in mechs/battle armor? He can provide support the Sonic and the others as well as fighting on the field with them, and it would make him a much more useful character overall.

>>144290038
I don't like how that's shown him to being competent in combat when in-context it was pretty much just a sucker punch that Metal simply did not see coming.

>>144290176
That could be his niché. Like Luigi, everyone forgets about Tails. Everyone forgets that he's basically a slightly slower Sonic who can fly.

>>144290162
Almost every single one of his triumphs in combat was due to him either sucker punching someone or them just not expecting it. Except for the case when he fought Mecha Sally where out of fucking no where he had super strength and for some reason was able to tear through metal with his Tails even though that was never a power he had before or even afterwards.

Fuck I mean Honey, a clothes designer, was able to just toss his straight out of the rank even though he could have stopped himself if he had tried to fly so even in a 1 on 1 combat scenario Tails isn't too fast on thinking.

>>144290390
Tails is naive, that's supposed to be his weakness.

>>144290451
You still have the whole part where it seems to be a deliberately recurring theme that he tries to avoid head-on combat.

Shit even when he was about to fight Sonic he made sure his head was turned before he threw a punch because he knew he wouldn't have gotten one in there anyway.

My point still stands. He isn't a competent fighter. He's good at maneuvering and sucker punching though.

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>>144290162
Tails doesn't need all the action you Mongolian. He's the sidekick for a reason, he also happens to feature in almost every issue so I don't know what you're going on about. However, this, or anything else that is plausible, is *something* he can do.

>>144290170
It's nice I suppose, but Rotor kinda filled that role both pre genesis with his battle armor wannabe iron man suit thing, and post genesis by being a ship commander. Also Bunnie, to an extent, fills that role as well with her blaster cannon.

>>144290176
Not only that, him being naive or not, I felt like it was written in solely because he lost to SOON. He did manage to crack Metal's face though, which I've never seen done.

>>144290390
Tails was shown to have super strength with his Tails in a few games, Adventure and Advance (I think, never played it.) where he used them to attack.

Hell, that tail swoop attack was straight up the most OP thing in Adventure 1.

You know what, I'll just say it outright before this get's heated.

I don't think Tails should be defined in a combat role primarily. I don't think it suits him as a character nor does it add onto him.

I think he'd be better as >>144289446 and >>144290170 stated. He uses mechs and gadgets to help him fight.

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>>144290789
How come no character is allowed to keep up with Sonic on their own?

>>144290916
>What is Shadow
>What is Metal Sonic
And that's just counting speed.
I'd go so far as to say that Knuckles and Amy could go toe to toe against Sonic if he didn't have too much space to move around in.

The biggest problem with Sonic is that right now he is literally one of the most overpowered video game characters to date.

His base form at this point is straight up god-slayer and he has several canon forms all of which can shit on literal entities of nature with little to no effort.

The point is that no one CAN keep up with Sonic because Sonic is just THAT powerful at this point.

>>144291097
Shadow has jetboots, was created in a lab and knows magic. Metal Sonic has a chaos emerald.

I don't mind Sonic being fast, but Tails somehow keeping up with him despite always being left off-screen is sort of the whole point of his character.

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>>144291097
Sonic couldn't cause a tenth of the carnage that characters like Lo Wang, Duke, Sam and motherfucking Doomguy could. Sonic can't even chase down master plan. Not refuting your point, just that it isn't completely sound. Sonic is the good guy and good guys always win after all.

>>144291279
Not since Adventures, which pretty much cemented him as a separate sort of powerhouse.

In terms of powerlevel Sonic is untouchable and he already has two rivals that can keep up with him.

A good question to you would be why can't Tails have his own niche? Why does he have to always follow behind Sonic to play catch-up? That mindset has already gotten us to the position we're at with him now.

>>144291639
Again, he can fly. He doesn't need to catch up with Sonic because he can just fly to where he's heading.

>>144291696
He might not catch up, but he keeps up. Sonic may be the fastest thing to run on the face of Mobius, but that doesn't stop Tails from being the fastest to fly over it.

>>144291696
Okay so then what? Is that all he can do? Just fly as fast as Sonic can run?

I mean shit Amy has more capabilities than that.

Furthermore Sonic hardly needs aerial support since his homing attack actually homing onto aerial enemies is a canon thing so Tails' usefulness in flight is redundant.

That's a very small and limited roll you put him in since now he's only useful on the very extreme occasion that Sonic can't use his homing attack.

>>144291821
>What is Jet

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>>144292236
>Jet

>>144292236
you mean Lame the Character?

>>144292236
I can almost remember their funny faces

>>144271452
It's been a long time since we've seen Relic.

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>>144271452

>>144236946
This. Just about all of ash's appearances involve him being a jerk and trying to step up when the situation doesn't even call for it

>>144288709
He's the Krillin, the bro who'll be there for ya and still be useful.

>>144268710
>We'll never see a Japanese archie sonic cartoon where Bunnie drops random Engrish here and there.

Also who would be Mai in this case?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beNfj2tlQ1o

>>144295205
Rouge. Duh.

>>144234018

Need more cows.

>>144284058
> muh Tailsfags

This is getting old. Stop hanging at DA, everyone is stupid there.

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>>144292236

> Jet

>>144255204

That would be very lucky.

Slow. Wake up americans.

>>144299954
Just did, at work now.

>>144295240
KNEE-CO-KNEE-CO-KNEE

>>144300970
Calu-koo-koo?

>>144232545
I only saw a hentai sonic artist complaining in a stream about people saying bad things about her on image boards for no reason.

>>144302301
Don't suppose you took caps or could go into more detail of what was said?

>>144302301
I can only imagine who that might be.

>>144232545

Did anon get his commission from JenHen?

>>144302301
Kayla-na?

>>144236382
SHE'S TWELVE, YOU SICK, ITALIAN FUCK!

>>144306236
Animal age works different than human age.

>>144308823
Why did we have to get Minnie Mouse?

>>144309841
Because Sonic is and always has been nothing more than "Punk Rock Mickey Mouse" And I wouldn't have him any other way.

>>144305828
Nope. Almost been a year now

>>144309841
She was better in Generations, but dropped the ball in Lost World.

>>144284058
Honestly, one of the biggest problems he has is that since he's "Sonic's sidekick", apparently that means he's not allowed to interact with anyone fucking else. Have we ever seen him have any meaningful interactions with Amy? Or Knuckles? Or even Shadow? (Outside of getting bitchslapped into the next dimension by him in X)

Sonic's thing is Speed. Tails is Sonic's Sidekick, so his thing is Flight, which is something that is inherently tied to and very similar to Speed. Because of this simple fact, Tails has to be capable of doing most of what Sonic can do, to some degree.

It's similar to characters like Knuckles, Metal Sonic, or Shadow, who's abilities are defined by being equal to Sonic in some way.

Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Metal Sonic, and whoever else have abilities that are largely defined by their correlation to Sonic's abiltiies.
Example: If Sonic can run at the Speed of Light: Shadow can move at the same speed, Knuckles can punch with an equivalent amount of Power, Tails can fly fast enough to come close enough to lightspeed, etc.

>>144308823
>Amy sees Mario's huge itailan sausage
>& Knuckles

>>144284481
Honestly Tails had been decaying as a character even before Ian took over. Hell, every character not named Sonic, Sally, Fiona, and Shadow was essentially rotting, and Fiona's only there because of the bullshit love triangle

That doesn't invalidate the point you're making, just pointing that out

>>144286396
That's because Rotor was a thing before SoA got the message that "Hey, Tails is the smart one", so then Tails replaced him, but both got replaced by the 26 tech-based characters the pre-reboot introduced

How would the current arc be if Penders was still writing it?

>>144312006
Light Gaia is an echidna

>>144302301
Any more details on this?

>>144312006
The Dark Brotherhood broke the planet, not Eggman.

Say what you want about coolblue and hotred, they draw a cute as fuck Amy and that's all that I need.

>>144312807
Except when she decides to tack on another price increase just cause.

>>144313221
I don't commission her, I just look at what gets posted.

>>144312437
Probably Coolblue. Last thread talked about her shitty behaviour. Both Hot and Cool are aware of /sthg/. Used it to advertise themselve in secret.
Or maybe MTD is now a woman.
>>144312807
>Say what you want about coolblue and hotred, they copy Tojyo style Amy and that's all that I need.
Fixed that for you.

>>144313428
Thanks bro, wouldn't be able to make it without you.

>>144313428
It wasn't her. All she did was turn on her stream for half an hour and propose an idea for a price increase (charging an extra 10 bucks for inks) and then turn it off until Monday

>>144313701
>All she did was turn on her stream for half an hour and propose an idea for a price increase (charging an extra 10 bucks for inks)
That really sounds like Cool. Then who was the other? Purplekecleon?

>>144312006
Last thing I read read had Relic in it so I have no idea what's going on in the current arc, hearing that there was going to be another crossover killed all my interest and I can't be assed to find the dragonballs to bring it back.

But if Ken was writing I'm sure Fixit would be a roboticized echidna and Relic's boss.

>>144314837
You should pick it back up. It's been pretty decent since the shit crossover ended. If not the main book then at least Universe

>>144315042
That shit's gross.

>>144315042
So he's aping Bigdad instead of Edge Argento then?

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>>144315524
I believe it was just fanart for Bigdad.

>Edge Argento
What's this now? I know MTD tried to copycat him with at least the olympic Amy he did, but
>Edge
wut?

>>144315751
It's his streaming name

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>>144316120
I was hoping for delicious artist drama regarding Argento. Like that one time he made a joke by telling everyone that Supernitro died in a car crash.

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>>144316474
Amy is so cute!

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>>144316469
Man, Peach and Daisy have lovely hips

>>144316874
you think they'd be up for a gangbang?
>with Sanic, Mario
and whoever the guys are for Blaze and Daisy.

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>>144317126
Only like this

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>>144316859

If SatAM were released a year later, Knuckles and Amy could have been in it. But because DiC was stupid little changed.

Knuckles is one of Eggman's henchmen with no personality

Amy is a dumb kid who just tags along. She also has no personality

>>144317334
So Amy is current game Tails?

>>144317126
So Sonic again and Luigi?

>>144317407
more like, Amy is also Tails in the context of SatAM. and you get not one, but two tag along kids

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>>144317334
If SatAM was released later then AoStH would have come later too.

So, Amy as annoying love interest, and Knuckles as a one-off antagonist? Or something.

>>144317735
Knuckles could have been a lot of fun in AoStH if they wrote him right, but it's hard to say exactly what niche he would have filled.

>>144317878
Something like Captain Rescue, as in bumbling hero who tries to help Sonic. Or something like in Sonic Underground where he does the whole 'I got tricked by Robotnik' and then becomes Sonic's friend.

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>>144263492
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>>144267196

Alright you dorks. Here we go.

Only $2.99!
Yet I paid $1.36

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Previews out today

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>>144319006
Might as well post something that wasn't in the Google Books preview

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>>144319183
Backup preview.

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>>144319194
>Shard

:D
He's back!

>>144318805

scally > fur

>>144319380
Enough with this. He's gone, he's dead, he's deceased. He is no more! He is no longer with us. He has joined the choir invisible. If he was buried he'd be pushing up daisies. This is an ex-robot

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>>144319365

>>144291097
>His base form at this point is straight up god-slayer

Is this that non-canon Generations fluff?