/twg/ - Total War General

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IF OUR PRINCE IS TO BECOME EMPEROR

MILITARY RULER OF ALL ELECTOR COUNTS

1st for Chaos Dawi never ever

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> Tomb Kings still not announced

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>>144167602
>Lizardmen still not announced

>balance is perfect
>multiplayer doesn't matter
all aboard the meme train

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>>144167636
>>144167602
>Chaos Dwarves still not announced

>>144167684
thats second point is true though. MP has literally never mattered, and campaign has always been focus

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>Mounted Reiksguard Outriders (Trollhammer Torpedo) (Halberds)

So what's up with the Advisor? Is he an agent of Tzeentch?

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>gpu finally dies
>upgrade not ready
I just wanna praise Sigmar

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>Pontus still not announced

>>144167723
*vape*

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>>144167684
>multiplayer matters

>>144167684
multiplayer doesn't matter

Its physically impossible to balance a TW game for both campaign and multiplayer, and campaign is more popular

ergo multiplayer is irrelevant

>>144167478
>>144167620

No, it's not expected. It should be close fights in both cases. They are 1300 and 1500 respectively, and shit on the Greatsword's melee stats.

10 extra weapon damage against infantry(THIS IS WHAT ANTI-INFANTRY DOES) should in no fucking way shit all over 90% more Melee Atk/Def.

If you are actually implying that non-Great Weapon Chosen beat Greatswords then it's clear that you're testing on easy AI or not testing at all and making shit up.

I have tested these units to make sure I wasn't talking bullshit, but it's clear that you haven't.

Stay shit, Empirebab. And keep making shit up while you're at it, fuccboi.

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>>144167414
Rollan!

>>144167684
It's impossible to balance multiplayer though. Take for example the monstrous units. If you made them cost effective what stops people from spamming them instead of using infantry? There would have to be some sort of unit limit.

>>144167850
>unit balance in campaign
how is that even a topic for discussion

Why are you all such angry people.


You should be happy.

>>144167853
So you admit it, you've been using the wrong units, dont read the tooltips to understand counters and are blaming the game for your own failures.

Warhammer is a game of rock/paper/scissors both in TW and the tabletop, if you refuse to play it that way its your fault, dont pretend the game is imbalanced because you were so stupid you ran Chosen swords into empire Greatswords

"You are no lord of the Empire, Vampire. To even dress as such is a grave insult."

>Grave insult

Oh Karl...

>tfw no legendary lord waifu

>>144167960
you're on the side of the interwebz if you're looking for happy people

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>>144167853
>10 extra weapon damage against infantry(THIS IS WHAT ANTI-INFANTRY DOES) should in no fucking way shit all over 90% more Melee Atk/Def.

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>tfw eradicating Chaos fuckint Shits once again with glorious Elfendom soon

>>144168041
read over before you post AHHHHHHHHH NOW IM ANGRY SOMEONE SUMMON THE ELECTOR COUNTS

How do you feel about the combat speed for Warhammer?

>Could be slower
>Great as it is
>Could be faster

>>144167861
wolling

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>Fuck up the vampires shit hard as the Dawi
>They beg for surrender

Do I go easy on the scum or do I cross out every grudge they've had against Dwarfen kind as my armies steamroll them?

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>>144167960

>>144167853
>No, it's not expected. It should be close fights in both cases.
What? No.

Thats not how it works on the TB, or should work in the game. Chosen sword/board get obliterated by dedicated AP units, like they should be.

1st a secret tip, editing the preferences file in %appdata% specifically I turned "sky" down to minimum for no difference in quality and 8-10 fps. Now to my question


have an old i5 2500k at 4ghz and a hd 6950 2gig sitting around that I'm going to install this on as gaming pc broke, what sorta graphics settings an I gonna need to get 40fps lads

>>144168041
>>144168097
>*wrong side
Fuck...

>>144167850

>Its physically impossible to balance a TW game for both campaign and multiplayer, and campaign is more popular

Not really. Balance impacts both the same way. You can steamroll your way through the Empire campaign with spam armies if you really want to. It isn't fun, but you can certainly do it.

Are there any good books with Skaven in them? This game has inspired me to write (again) but I need to know about Skaven to write them.

I'm about to go on shift so I may not be able to reply but I will be watching.

>>144168103
I feel as if its faster than Shogun II's sanic speed. I'm just waiting for a mod to turn it down a bit. Just my opinion though.

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Uh can I really lose this?

>>144167960
I'm happy.
I don't give a fuck about multiplayer and the game is fun even though it's totally just a foundation at the moment. Expansions can't come soon enough

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>>144168009

Not him but
>My overpowered units aren't overpowered, you just need to counterpick better
>What does it matter that they flat out beat most units in the game

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>>144168134
my PC will be a bit around the same level as yours and I get 40-50 FPS on high settings with max unit size and ultra unit detail

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>>144168041
>>144168097
>>144168123
Well... I'll just be happy for you guys.

>>144168120
Burn all those fucking necrophiliac shits.

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>There are people in this thread who believe in the existence of fucking rat people

How stupid can you fucking be, enjoy the visit from the witch hunters faggots

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>>144168120
>Do I go easy on the scum
Dawi never go easy on scum!

>>144168274
THAT ACTION DOES NOT HAVE MY CONSENT

>>144168221
I have no doubt about that

>>144168180
It's really not
Units die and rout really fast in Shogun, Warhammer is definitely slower

>>144168221
what's the second army?

>>144167960
people arguing over mechanics is always a good sign

it means the game has at least some intricacy to it

>>144168227
>not him but
We all know its you still.

>>What does it matter that they flat out beat most units in the game
They are the Empires final tier infantry unit made for killing other infantry, no shit they are strong.

This argument was spawned out of you claiming Chaos cant handle them, when in fact the cheaper Chaos Warriors with great weapons do a good job and can easily overcome them with a bit of support, and Chosen great weapons beat them easily.

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>>144168057

>>144168179
I think Gray Seer Thanquol has a book series, but other than that I have no idea. Also he just fails fantastically which is kind of what the Skaven did before the End Times.

>>144168295
>>144168286
Alright then. Time to Cross out some grudges.

I do hate this fucking vampiric corruption though. Makes chewing through them a total slog.

>>144168310
ARE YOU A GOD???

Regular Grave Guard or Great Weapons Grave Guard?

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>>144168342
>>144168324
Like 5 swordsmen. Auto resolve is broken as fuck

>>144168401
DANSE MACABRE

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>>144168274
Thanks, i'll be drowning in my pit of anger and self-pity.

>>144168413
Great should be your main troops, regular are better for soaking ranged fire.

>>144168413

Great weapons, no contest.

>>144168334
If you are sieging or in raiding stance you don't take damage from attrition.

Someone give me some tips for the meme counts. I want to overrun the world in undeath.

>>144168103
Slower might be better, lines break too quick and do not give time for some tactics. It's minor though, considering it isn't always a major issue.

>let my two hellcannons pepper a city before going in
>get 700 kills between the two of them
kek

>>144168049
>strategy
You mean the part AI never played anyway? Yeah that's a shame

>>144168009
You're actually the most autistic person I've ever had the displeasure of talking to on this site. And that's saying something lil' bitch(I hope you don't mind me giving you a nickname), because this is goddamn 4chan.

I can't tell if you're willfully ignorant, a troll, or just a 80 IQ mongoloid. I legit can't tell.

>>144168447
SHALL I DECANT THE WINE?

>>144168413
great weapons lad

check the armor piercing

you can see how much damage a unit does if you hover over the weapon strength

>>144168429
There is no way you could lose that fight. Volleys are worthless, rockets/mortars cant hurt armored enemies.

So it was basically your army vs a handful of heroes

>>144168391
that kind of made their charm for 90% of the people who liked them.

>reading felix&gotrek
>you can already tell the plan is a disaster when he spent half the money that went into preperation on coke and hookers

>>144168413
regular is only better if you're fighting savage orcs

>>144168128
Huh?

Chosen remove Greatswords so hard in TT that you might as well take your Greatswords off the board instantly if they end up in a fight with any Chosen.

The fuck are you on?

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>still no balancing patch
>still no patch to make luminark of hysh not a useless piece of shit

>>144168295
>stunties
>calling others scum

>>144168573
Why was the balance of power so weighted in their favor then?

>>144168548
>tfw i was on your side of the debate
>lil' bitch(I hope you don't mind me giving you a nickname)
>You're actually the most autistic person
>I hope you don't mind me giving you a nickname
i wanted you to win this cyber-battle....

>>144168548
All I did was prove you're a hypocritical lair, if you dont want to be called on your bullshit dont post it in the first place.

You are bitching because you lose against Empire because you are bad, it has nothing to do with the balance between those Chaos/Empire troops because the balance between them is good.

>>144168690
he was talking about a 1v1, because that's the only place "balance" technically matters. in the campaign it doesn't come down to unit balance, it comes down to making the units in the first place.

the game's not balanced to be honest

>>144168059
Not that you need super-elites like Elves to kill Chaos shits because a shit 5'8" humie with a big sword does just fine.

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>>144168257
thanks a heap anon just installed it.
but what in the fucking fuck?
I'm getting 30fps max and we do have basically the same systems, here is my speccy and I'll upload my in game specs. what am I doing wrong!

>>144168675
Because its broken anon

>>144168690

>because the balance between them is good.

Look, the guy you're arguing with is a dick, but you're still objectively wrong dude. Empire vs Chaos balance is horribly Empire-favoured, and not just because of Greatswords vs Chosen.

Dwarf Warriors - Longbeards - Dwarf Warriors - Dwarf Warriors - Longbeards - Dwarf Warriors - Dwarf Warriors Longbeards - Dwarf Warriors

this is my curret main combat lineup for any Dwarf Army, it's cheap and effective, anyone got a better Lineup?

Are Cannons worth it? they seem more devastating than Grudge Throwers but also less versatile.

>>144168803
Are you using the latest drivers for your AMD card?

Because they actually help a lot i've been told.

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>>144168221

yes

>>144168690
If orcs can make themselves scale mail vests and big ole metal shoulder pads... then why the fuck aren't they wearing helmets? You have to make it to warboss or be a black orc to get yourself a helmet?

>>144168221
If you manage to take out their cannons with your cavalry - you can probably manage to win. If you can't - you're done for, buddy.

>>144168361
>There is only one person replying to me at all times I refuse to believe that there are a lot of people in this thread hurrrrr

I'm the guy you think he is that you keep strawmanning and deflecting, autist. Sup.

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>>144168361

>More than one person couldn't possibly disagree with me, must be samefag

Man you sound like the biggest fucking ass right now. I'll take another one for this thread to deflate your ego further.

>>144168892
i've found that auto-result battles like that, the bar lies anyways and you win around how you should.

>>144168103
a bit slower but I'm mostly ok with the speed

>>144168180
Slower battles mod. Slows down melee combat.

>>144168842
Less versatile, grudge throwers tumble through enemy lines and disrupt entire unit advances. Whereas cannons are basically good for taking down large units like Giants, etc. also good for sieges considering gates and towers fall to them relatively easily.

>>144168842

>Are Cannons worth it? they seem more devastating than Grudge Throwers but also less versatile.

They're useful against high-value units like monsters. Anything from the artillery tree more expensive than cannons is trash though.

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>>144168257
>>144168803

I'm dying how are your settings differing to mine?


>>144168868
as for the driver to my knowedge yep just updated a few days ago and autodetect claims I don't need a new one at least.

>>144168959

I didnt feel like gambling on legendary so i put my lord to fist fight him

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>tfw humans in my norsca

>>144168490
crypt horrors

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>>144168950
>>144168361

Here you go bud eat shit :^)

>>144168676
It doesn't really matter if an anon is on my side or not desu senpai, there's no argument either. It's just an autist living in his autist reality while everyone else has this lovely thing called facts.

The creature actually believes that Greatswords don't beat everything but Chosen Great Weapons hard. It's a joke.

>>144169038
fair enough, but just for future reference I suppose.

>>144168950
>>144168946
Oh wow you can samefag and use paint, well done you.

>>144168946
>>144168950
Oh wow you can samefag and use paint, well done you

>>144168675
Cause their lord was 30 and yours was 1. Game takes character level into account way too much.

>>144168950
>>144168946
Oh wow you can samefag and use paint, well done you.

Whats the weaker faction: Vampire Counts or Chaos? What's the weakest faction?

>>144168658
butthurt knife-ears?

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>>144169090
>>144168950
You claimed E.Greatswords lose to Chosen great weapons

This is proof you are wrong

/end shitposting spree by retards

>>144169317


depends on if you're talking auto resolve or manual fight

>play my orc boys on legendary
>fightin' with da skullz
>low chance for peace in the diplomacy menu
>medium chance for peace and confederacy
>ok
>get 2 free armies and triple my land on turn 4
man this games easy...

>>144169317
in terms of Units? probably Vampires, though they have some of the best monsters.

>>144169391
How do you guys make lords fuck off when you test this shit?

>>144169391
/unend shitposting spree

*Chosen great weapons lose to E.greatswords

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Show me your rarest achievement

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>>144168413

Go download blood dragons mod and use the normal blood knights for mainline infantry, sprinkle in some greatsword grave guard to actually kill things.

>>144169391

>NO THIS CANNOT BE, I CAN'T POSSIBLE HAVE MORE THAN ONE PERSON DISAGREE WITH ME REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>I MUST GO ON A SHITPOSTING SPREE, THAT'LL SHOW THEM

>>144169432

and a shit ton of rebellions

>>144169317

Depends on the context. Taking cost effectiveness into account, Chaos are the worst faction in the game.

VC get points for Grave Guard, which are pretty good. Their monsters, like all monsters, are pretty shitty though.

>>144169469
seconding this

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>>144169014
Dunno man, these are the specs im using.

>>144168690
I'm probably about done with you Autist-chan because I'm about to try out this Dead by Daylight beta, but I'll give you another reply.

You've proven nothing. Go back and read your own replies. You're a mouth foaming retard that's ignoring tested and well known facts. The fact that you can even utter the phrase "Chaos/Empire balance is good" is just a disgrace to your parents for shitting out such a failure.

You're a moron. You'll always be a moron. Everyone will know just how much of a dumbfuck peon you are and you'll never be able to hide it.

Are you afraid to go grab a friend and test stuff in a custom battle? Oh, no friends? Well that's fine, you can use an AI too you'll just need more troops to make sure the AI doesn't retard-out and mess up the results. Go try 10 Chosen without Great Weapons against 10 Greatswords. That's being nice to Chaos, too. That's spending less money. If you wanted to see what it was really like, it's more like 15 Greatswords against 10 Chosen. Go on, go try it.

Fuckin' dumbass faggot.

Can't take the VC seriously because I instantly picture Count von Count whenever they're referenced.

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>>144169469
Only works on a 1v1 situation from my experience

If you run your lord up but dont commit him (or move him too close) the other lord wont either

>>144169498
Not him but you're retarded

>>144169469

You get a friend and test online. Testing with lords in custom battle completely skews the engagement.

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>WE'S GOBBOS!

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THE ELECTRO CUNTS

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>>144169487

>>144169520
you underestimate the base happiness of a settlement on legendary.

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>>144169573
savage

>>144169689

those two combined give -16 and iirc orcs werent too good at managing it

>>144169317

Vampire counts, they literally don't have a unit, grave guard are nothing special, neither are black knights.

That, and their high tier monsters suck for various reasons.

>>144169614

>How many empire stacks come to claim your ass?
>12345 empire stacks, 5 empire stacks come to claim your ass, AH AH AH AH AH

>>144169573
>Go try 10 Chosen without Great Weapons against 10 Greatswords
This was never claimed by me or anyone else to be a fair fight. Greatswrods would always win, like they should, against Chosen swords since swords are not AP units

The issue is that you claimed Chosen GREAT WEAPONS lose to Greatswords, which is false.

We both know the reason you are now saying without great weapons is because you realized you were wrong all along.

>>144168128

Lad Greatswords can't even touch chosen in TT what are you talking about

>>144169784
yeah actually you're right. the free armies have done pretty good at killing rebellions so far, and i still have grimgor running around, since i absorbed my "early game enemy" without even fighting him

>>144169573
>Go try 10 Chosen without Great Weapons against 10 Greatswords. That's being nice to Chaos, too. That's spending less money. If you wanted to see what it was really like, it's more like 15 Greatswords against 10 Chosen. Go on, go try it.
Chaos should lose both these fights, whats the issue here? Swords are not for killing Greats.

>>144169632

>Goes out of his way to shitpost
>Denies reality
>Still arguing for something when he's wrong
>Calls me retarded

Nice, there's no paint bruv

>>144169809
He really is living in an autist reality

Go find the post where I said Chosen GW lose to Greatswords. The closest thing I said to that, which I could understand how it got mixed up in your autistic mind I suppose, was that Chosen Great Weapons lose 80% of their men against Greatswords which is effectively dead.

Well, go on. Shoo shoo. Go find it.

>>144169862

First game i did was orc on legendary and i got pretty shit over by chaos, do you have a lot of raiding parties out? I think thats what i lacked the most, still won in the end though

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Bring to me the elected lords

When are Top Knotz getting a nerf?

>>144168548

>Nigger generalizing people as dumb

>>144169905
Chosen have double the stats of Greatswords so there's no reason for the Chosen not to bog down to Greatswords for a long fucking time.

That's assuming they should lose in the first place of course. They're significantly more expensive.

>>144169809

>The issue is that you claimed Chosen GREAT WEAPONS lose to Greatswords, which is false.

Why is this even an argument? Greatswords are still more than cost effective against Great Weapon Chosen, or did you just forget that Greatswords cost 550 less?

>>144169573
last warning bud

>>144169982

WE WILL SUMMON THE ELECTOR COUNTS

>>144169948
Why bother, you would claim it wasnt you all along and try even harder to save face. The fact you do nothing but resort to insults instead of any valid argument is proof enough you realized you were wrong long ago.

No more replies for you.

>>144170054
No they dont, they have slightly better stats, but lose out on anti unit bonus. If anything unbalanced is here its Chosen are a little bit more expensive, irrelevant considering Chaos gets infinitely more money than any other faction though.

Still dont see any issues with balance here.

>>144169963
i'm overall not too worried about facing chaos, espcially since i've got a good pace going so far, even if it's a little unstable.

so far i only have a couple raiding parties, i have grimgor running after rebels, and i have a 20 stack i got from the skullz hitting up the dwarves to the south.

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>>144169487

We all know chosen suck dick in this game, but I think this is more fo a case of greatswords being OP rather than chosen sucking.

They still suck

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>>144167861
Rollan!
Even though I don't have the game yet...

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>Pronouncing Von as 'von' instead of 'fon'

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>>144167734
>Giant manned steam tank ( lore of death )( shielded )

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>>144170075
And that's it ladies and gentlemen, the end of our shit show.

Goodbye, Autist-chan. I will miss you and your fabricated reality. Fret not, your dumbfuckery has scarred my mind forever and I will never forget you. Seek solice in the fact that your autism will be remembered. Farewell.

>melee attack is damage
>this is the false assumption behind this great debate

>>144170242
Except they dont suck, at all. Against other factions they are devastating, only really Empire can go toe to toe with Chaos, but thats only GS, and its not like the AI ever uses its GS well enough for it to matter.

>>144170191

>If anything unbalanced is here its Chosen are a little bit more expensive
>little bit

Bud, they're more than 1.5 times the cost of Greatswords. By all rights, they should wipe the floor with Greatswords.

>>144170002
why nerf the canonically strongest faction?

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I was promised a Linux port.

Where the fuck is it?

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WE ARE SIGMARS ASS

what did they mean by this?

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>want to play expanded version
>full expansions at least a year away

Ugh, CA pls give us blood dlc and game patch soon

>>144170359
Which is a minuscule amount of money. Unless you are claiming MP is relevant in which case I have nothing to say to you except you're a fool.

>>144170226

That was the same i was thinking when they suddenly came through the passage to the empire along with raiding parties from the south coast

>>144170353


Lolno they fucking suck, ask anyone that plays MP

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>pygmies when

>>144170535
>MP
Irrelevant

>>144170535

nice bait

>>144170191
>they have slightly better stats

No, they have way better stats. I don't have the game up currently but it's like 56 defense/50 offense normal Chosen, 22 defense/28 offense Greatswords. Their weapon damages are only separated by 2 points as well, though I can't remember who has the extra two.

That's WAY more stats. You pay for the stats too, they're significantly more expensive than Greatswords. Those stats imply that they'd do quite well at the very LEAST at bogging down Greatswords because the Greatswords should barely hit them because the Chosen are just that much better.

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>>144169487

>>144170458

>Unless you are claiming MP is relevant in which case I have nothing to say to you except you're a fool.

What's up with your irrational dislike for MP? Plenty of people play and enjoy the MP in TW games and we've been holding tournaments for years.

>>144170535
>MPfag
Worse than historyfags, at least historyfags play their games and not the substandard multiplayer which no one takes seriously.

Get some real friends and play coop faggot.

>>144170667
i think everyone just really hates losing or something. or they saw shogun 2's "multiplayer" and never looked back.

>>144170667

This, you can only discuss balance in a MP enviorment, no one gives a shit about sp, anything can work if you invest enough in it there.

Chosen are overpriced and weak, and they're not overpriced just by a little, they're fucking 1300 and 1500 points respectively

>>144170674

They need 2v2 head to head

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When will he learn?

>>144170610
You've misunderstood the stat difference.

>>144170796

Shogun 2's multiplayer was good. Sure, they had some balance issues at various points like loan sword spam and heavy gunners but, generally speaking, balanced armies could take pretty much anything on when played well.

>>144170667
Because they take it way too seriously on /twg/ and think MP should be the focus on the game

What's going on with replays in warhammer? I've been saving good battles and tried watching one, the enemy reinforcements spawned on the opposite side of the map that they actually did, and it ended up showing a loss when I had a victory in the campaign. You could even see what orders I issued, only all my units were doing completely different things so they got pulverized as they tried to pull out THROUGH the enemy they were engaged with.

>>144169982
Go on, summon the elector counts
I don't give a fuck

>>144171014

Sounds like supreme commander 2

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>being so bad at MP you have to call it irrelevant

Embarrassing tb.h lads

Beating CA AI is literally babby tier.

do you guys fight the same races as you play like other humans if empire or dawi when playing dwarves? Or do you use the confederation option to acquire their lands?

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THEY ALMOST FUCKING LOST

50% INCREASED PRICE

>>144170610

I'm not sure the stat difference is quite that large.

In any case, rarely do the stats in TW games accurately reflect unit performance. Attila was full of hidden stats that made certain units overperform by a huge margin. Hence, pre-nerf Tagmata annihilating all other cav due to their massive hidden anti-cav bonus and two-handed axe units and elite Hun infantry steamrolling infantry due to their enormous hidden melee attack bonus against infantry.

>>144170667
Because every day some fag runs into /twg/ and starts crying that unit X is shit and unit Y is overpowered because they lost a MP battle

The game can either be balanced for campaign, or balanced for MP, but there is absolutely no way CA could ever do both.

>>144170936
the whole grinding up units and unlocking things tended to bog the experience up for me, though on the same note it gave me a lot of incentive to actually play a lot.

>>144169565
well just completely uninstalled gpu and reinstalled latest drivers, and oced up to 4.2
if it still sucks I'll cry but at least I tried

THE THRONG IS MUSTARD

>>144171141
what is there to even "balance" in the campaign though? you can pretty much get away with doing fuck-all even on legendary in my experience.

>>144171081
>only 20% have played a MP battle
>only 2% of people have played more than 25 MP games
From CA's perspective; it is irrelevant.

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>mfw after over 70 hours i've realized that there's a teleport button in the quest location screen

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>>144169487

>>144171209

try higher settings

>>144171014
Replay's have been borked for a while it saves the movements, but not the position of units so the AI does its best to replay what happened.

>>144171262
w-wait w-what the FUCK

>>144171141
>keep a set for MP and a set for SP

Not that hard.
I personally dont need perfect balance, but a fix for the obviously broken units like Demigryphs and witch hunters.

>>144171014

If you're using different mods from when you saved the replay they mess up

>>144171151

>the whole grinding up units and unlocking things tended to bog the experience up for me

I can see why that annoyed people. However, as long as you kept winning, the grind was pretty short.

Moreover, having your own customised units was pretty cool. I put a lot of effort into naming and customising all of my units and I became pretty attached to them. It's such a pity that they didn't implement Avatar mode in later TW iterations.

>>144171232
Most people do run with balanced armies, so CA has some idea on what to balance around.

/twg/ is generally got better people or worse if you think about it in it though, who know cheese strats and use them excessively.

>>144171263
I don't know how they fucking expect anyone to get 8,000 income from raiding. With like six armies speced for raiding income I could only get like 5,000

>>144170863
I've misunderstood numbers that can be compared side by side? You aren't autist-chan, are you?
>>144171139
It is that large, you can check. Just take a second to look at Chosen and Greatswords in a Custom Battle army select. You don't even need to launch it.

>>144171401
>My friend with a top tier army was making 1.5k a turn from raiding with a single army

Either he was lying, or something was wrong. It was a super expensive army though, mostly just Blacks and Giants.

>>144171212
>tfw regular Dwarf Lords look better than either LL

>>144171240
Dogbert and the Arena boyz will champion a fix.
You can see how salty he gets when people use broken shit.

>>144170297
>Pronouncing Carstein as 'Carsteen' instead of 'Car-sh-tain'
Is there a proper german 'ei' in english?

>>144171401

you can raid dwarves for 3k late in the game with the proper skills

>>144171401
Yeah, I was about 120 turns into a Greenskin campaign and I checked the victory objectives and saw that the money from "raiding" didn't include sacking money, so I just set up in 4 different places and only hit about 4k.

>have a grudge with 20 severity
>its vs Top Knotz
>They have no settlements and their only agent is lvl 20
>the grudge is to assasinate a char
>it always fails


This mechanic is so amazingly unfun.
I have to train my thanes for 50 rounds just to try assassinate a piss goblin in the corner of the map to win my campaign, everything else is done.

>>144171485
>I've misunderstood numbers that can be compared side by side?
You've misunderstood the importance of stats. A big stat difference is 50+ stats in something important, a handful of improved stats across the board means nothing. Add in the fact that hidden stats and that there are modifiers and you get your stat based justification for non GS chosen getting shit on by greatswords.

And again, thats how it should be.

>>144171139
Yeah, I very much expect that Empire troops have huge hidden stat bonuses. We'll have to wait for some miner to find out, but the stats in this game line up for almost everything except Empire troops.

Grave Guard w/ GW are pretty close to Greatswords but Grave Guard w/ GW perform as expected against Chosen. Greatswords, obviously, do not.

>>144171524
ey(e)

>>144171616
>ey(e)
Damn, you're right.
Well, 'Carshteyn' then

>>144171580
Revenge is pretty comfy, but the random grudges are 90% bullshit

>>144171609
>Greatswords, obviously, do not.
>Chosen with GW win
They obviously, do.

>>144168675

Artillery count for loads in auto-resolve
But it is shit in actual battles if more than a few.

>>144171609

We already know that there's some fuckery going on with Halberd attack speed on infantry - which is why they appear to perform worse than expected.

Someone will datamine the game and figure out what's going on with Empire.

>>144171485
>'ve misunderstood numbers that can be compared side by side? You aren't autist-chan, are you?
you dumb cunt, greatswords have 100 armour and armour penetrating damage IN ADDITION TO THE +10 bonus to attack and damage against infantry, normal chosen have no armor penetration, how is this hard to understand?

>>144171523

Unfortunately, Dogbert doesn't work on TWW, he just does PR shit.

The game needs a permanent MP mode, I hated it in Shogun 2 but TWW needs it, you need item slots just like in SP so you can stack up that fucking magic res to avoid being sniped by spirit leech

>>144168429

Auto resolve isn't broken, the game just doesn't want you auto resolving on legendary lords so it tilts the AR more in their favor. It does the same thing on higher difficulty games in previous entries except more drastic here with LL.

>Make pacts with everyone near me to be BFFs
>Make trade routes with almost everyone
>sit and chill in Reikland
>Take Marienburg and then turtle
>Turn 45
>Start making Demigryphs with a Warhorse Stable

EHHHHHH

>>144171996
Hes retarded, ignore him

>>144171696
Na. Grave Guard lose after a bit and it's a bogged down slow fight against Norma
>>144171696
No one mentioned Chosen with Great Weapons. Grave Guard lose to normal Chosen w/ Shields despite being almost the same as Greatswords. Greatswords on the other hand fucking destroy Chosen w/ Shields.

Anyway.

>>144171265
alright the results are oddly similiar, somethigns gotta be bottlenecking like a mofo.
only real difference between your settings is I have fps going down to 10 when zoomed in on fights and an explosion hits, as opposed to 15.

lifes over anon. godspeed for you and your well running rig though

>>144171996

Normal chosen also have TWICE the melee defence, 7 more weapon damage, and 16 more melee attack (more than 50%) of the greatswords

Also 15 more armor

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>>144171262
t-thx

>>144171262
Oh my fucking god

Azhag is actually fucking decent now

>>144171996
>>144172132
And Grave Guard lose to normal Chosen. While also being Anti-Infantry and Armor Piercing.

>>144172125
>Grave Guard lose to normal Chosen w/ Shields
As they should, they are swords, not greatswords. This is how it works on the TT too.

>feel like undead are shit
>Get Vargheists
>Motherfuckers destroy everything

I'm sure VC still suck but they are fun.

>>144168429
>level 30 hero
>wondering how the battle us lopsided

And I bet if SS Goku were the enemy general you'd still say the auto resolve is broken

>>144171262
We should put that in the OP.

>>144172239
Grave Guard Great Weapons, that is.

>>144172212
Hes not, you wont get his helmet until you've already fought and beaten your toughest enemies anyway

For a lvl8 quest it throws some real bullshit at you

>>144168134
Could you be more specific about the files you changed? Is %appdata% in the original Total War folder or is there a TW file in your system files?

>>144171262

I fond out after 50 hours

FeelsBadMan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FL2k5Z8twg

>>144172251
in the campaign i find that they're pretty slow but a lot of guys around here have had a lot of success with them

in multiplayer i find they're a cool middleground between the shitfiends of chaos, and the "gods of destruction" empire

>>144172249
see
>>144172336

Can I still not gift regions in coop? It's fucked up the provinces playing same race.

>>144172132
And? Normal chosen are swords/halberds, not greatswords.

Rock/paper/scissors has always been more important than stats in every single TW game ever, this isnt even a warhammer thing. That being said it works ike that in warhammer as well for a lot of troops.

Stats are not important until its the same weapon type fighting, in which case everything works as normal for empire vs chaos.

>>144172132
it does not fucking matter against 100 armour, how is this hard to understand? non-armour piercing damage will not do jack shit against that much armour

>>144172045

Demigryphs won't help much if you aren't making income.

I'm about turn 60 on my current Emp runthrough and I have Wissenland, Averland, Stirland, Talabecland, Ostermark, Bastonne Marienburg and Bastonne, built up Greatsword and Demi armies right now to fight the neverending swarms of Norscans. Already farted on the Chaos nigs the moment they stepped into Ostland and they've been licking their wounds as Varg continuously pours a neverending stream of fullstacks into my north no matter how many I slap back.

>>144172420
The difference between Chosen and grave guard is massive, its no surprise they lose there either

>>144172440

No it fucking doesn't, Chosen don't win against greatswords as a unit that costs more than half the entire cost of greatswords should.

And greatswords should not win, period, they should damage normal chosen, but they shouldn't win.

>>144172009
Yea a MP hero to level and gear would be perfect for this game.

Hopefully thats going to be one of the features that come from the expansions.

>>144172239
>And Grave Guard lose to normal Chosen
graveguard, have less armour and siginificantly worse melee stats than the greatswords

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I KNOW this has been asked before, but I didn't really see any definitive answers. Could you all list the number and composition of the units you have in an ideal early, middlr, and late game Empire army?

Curious as to what you've found effective at different points of the game. Very hard difficulty.

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>>144172348
I can anon, good thing Im still browsing this meme of a place
here is the path
C:\Users\you\AppData\Roaming\The Creative Assembly\Warhammer\scripts

now you will want to open the preferences file, I prefer wordpad but notepad or anything works

then ctrl f sky and you will see the heading
gfx_sky_quality 1; # gfx_sky_quality <int>, Set the quality of sky. 0 - low, 3 - ultra #
change the gfx sky quality "number" to 0

>>144172606
>And greatswords should not win, period, they should damage normal chosen, but they shouldn't win.
says fucking who? units with two handed weapons ARE DESIGNED to kill shield and sword infantry, for fucks sake anon is this your first total war game? did you complain about burgundian axemen taking a shit on roman sword and shield infantry in attila too?

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>>144172348

appdata/roaming/thecreativeassembly/warhammer/scripts

>>144172606
>And greatswords should not win, period, they should damage normal chosen, but they shouldn't win.
Uh, no. That isnt how Warhammer works, or even TW games with counters. At this point you just want Chosen to be more OP for the sake of it, rather than balance. So, nothing else to say really.

>>144172469
Greatswords should probably have 75-80 armor too.

>>144172632
Great Weapon Grave Guard is what was being mentioned, I just forgot to add the GW part if you didn't see the reply fixing it. Anyway, they don't have significantly worse stats. They're barely worse and even have slightly MORE weapon damage.

Empire troops are busted. They're the only faction in the game that doesn't stand up correctly to everything else. The game is at least acceptably balanced if you don't include the Empire, but as soon as you throw the Empire in everything else is shit.

>>144172720
Yeah, I actually found the file a few minutes after asking, didn't realize it was in the creative assembly folder. I didn't change it though because I didn't want to dink around when I didn't know exactly what to change. Thank you though.

>>144172606
>And greatswords should not win, period, they should damage normal chosen, but they shouldn't win.
This is 100% against the TT.

>>144172732
>>144172761

Says a Warhammer plays, anyone would laugh in your face at the thought of Greatswords even touching Chosen, and it seems CA agreed with the concept since they made them expensive as fuck like in TT, unfortunately they nerfed the shit out of them probably because of the DLC backlash they didn't want to be seen as selling a P2W DLC in mp.

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Hellcannons OP

>>144172749
while you're at it, look for default_battle_camera i think and change it to 2. enjoy your new camera

>>144172850
You're just being false now. Non-GS chosen lose to Greatswords.

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>>144172835

Lol you don't even play tabletop, you just said the complete opposite of what someone who plays would say

>>144172926
BLOOD AND GORE WHEN?!?!?

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>>144172720
>>144172749
>>144172827
Rip, it was already 0. I exited my game for nothing :(

>>144172732
What part of more expensive units with better stats in every category even /after/ the Anti-Infantry bonus is added to the Greatswords shouldn't lose to units with worse stats in every category is hard to understand?

You have this thing in your head where Greatswords are designed to kill Chosen, but the reality is they were designed to kill Chaos Warriors. They have the stats to beat Chaos Warriors. They clearly have unbelievable hidden stats because in defiance of what their stat cards say they shit on Chosen and wreck Chosen Great Weapons down to 15~ men.

>>144172930
I play TT, I have a Chaos army (and Lizardmen)

I would never ever take my Chosen against Greatswords unless my Chosen had Greatswords of their own, you would just lose way too many men otherwise.

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>>144172632

Vampire cunts just can't catch a break can they

>mfw

>>144172251

I'm guessing you're running a swarm of 3+ vargheist groups into vulnerable targets?

>>144172716

Heres the only army you'll need for the empire:

8 Longsword
4 musket
4 crossbow
3 Arty depending on armored opponents or not

>>144173010
>you would just lose way too many men otherwise.

Which means they would win. Not that TT matters here at all seeing as this game's balance is fucked beyond all hell and it makes TT look like balance heaven.

>>144172984
>more expensive
By a minuscule amount. Chaos makes more money than most other factions combined, their prices are basically just placeholders.

And not him but yes, Greatswords are made for killing non-gs Chosen.

>>144173010

That's literally what I'm saying, they should take some damage because they are facing a counter, but they should win because they are beefy like that and reflect their cost, it's unthinkable for GS to win.

Chosen here can barely take down Black orcs, and that's using great weapons >>144171129 ask any MP player, chaos is dogshit.

>>144173030
>I'm guessing you're running a swarm of 3+ vargheist groups into vulnerable targets?
Yes. Usually just running my meat blobs into the enemy while m Varghulf, lord, and Vargheist swarms ruin everything they can.

Whats the best way to deal with the greenskins early game as Dwarfs?

>>144173030
you can heal up graveguards to the point where they can kill chosen

>>144173090
950 <<<<< 1300/1500

Incomes in campaign are irrelevant to what the troops do for the money they cost.

>>144173116
No its not, you're saying Chosen without gw should win. Thats false.

>>144173090
They don't have more money in multiplayer, which is the only mode where balance really matters. Against AI I just bring units that are fun to use because I'm guaranteed to win anyway. You don't actually lose vs AI do you?

>>144173197
hang in there pal

>>144172716
Late game:
Ultra cheese builds:
All tanks + witch hunter
all demigryphs + witch hunter

OP as fuck but not as cheese but still cheese:
Karl/lord
Witch hunter
2 Tanks
2 Normal Demi
2 Halberd Demi
1 great cannon
3 Crossbows
Rest greatswords

For mid game replace tanks with more greatswords/mortars/rockets

Early game:
Lord
3 Mortar
4 Crossbows
1 Reiksguard
1 Empire Knight
6 Swordsmen
4 Spearmen

>>144173197
praying to your ancestor gods and hoping that grimgor finds someone else to rape to death

>>144173198

You'd have a whole lot of units that could kill chosen with healing, not really relevant here.

>>144173219
>>144173227
>MP
Pfffft. I thought you were talking about campaign.

You're both morons, no one cares about MP "Balance"

>>144173198
And you can spend Winds to buff the Chosen to beat the healed Graveguard, so what?

Magic isn't part of the discussion, it just becomes a back and forth buff battle until one of you runs out of winds. The Chosen would win if magic was involved on both sides though, fyi.

First time playing as the Empire, currently on Hard. Where should i be making Temple of Sigmars? Strictly on cities that border the vampires, or does it benefit me to have them in other places.

I just took Wissenland, and it doesn't border them, but the province to the right of it does. Would a temple here reduce it all around, or would it be pretty useless?

>>144173226

It's not fucking false, it's what would happen and what should happen.

>>144169347
>knife-ears
the dwarves, humans, and high elves are allies in warhammer fantasy guys, sepcially during the end times. Also the elves aren't arrogant manipulative dickheards in fantasy unlike in 40k. So stop thinking elves and eldar are the same

>>144173227
>>144173219
>>144173116
>MP
Make your own general. Seriously, you can have your own circle jerk where you bitch about how no one cares about MP.

>>144173197
pray to rngesus that the dwarves to your left don't die in 3 turns, otherwise you're going to eat 3 20 stacks no later than turn 10. also if you go for gunbad you get to pray zhufbar doesn't take grom peak otherwise you're stuck with a shit province or another person to fight.

dwarves have a complete shit start.

>>144172973
rest in bits anon, hopefully ca can do something about the weird cpu load

>>144173309
is this a bait or have the memes transcended my comprehension

>>144173226
Chosen will mop the floor with Greatswords in TT what are you smoking?

Ruin their lives right back to Morr's embrace.

>>144173309

MP balance is the only balance that matters, I've won a goblin only campaign I've posted in this very thread.

>>144173442
MP balance does not matter in the slightest, nothing else to say about it.

Less than 2% of people play it. The game should not pander to a minority that is so irrelevant.

>>144173291

this is just expensive how do you even handle the upkeep if you're late enough to the point you can keep 3 or 4 of these up then you already past the snowball

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>>144173369
>Elves are not arrogant manipulative dickheads

not all of them

>>144173398
>>144173309
>Actual anti-social old men gamers in the flesh right here

An awe inspiring sight

>>144173514
Using trade agreements and having income generating buildings in every town

>>144173369
>dwarves [...] and high elves are allies in warhammer fantasy
Three words: War. Of. Vengeance.

>Also the elves aren't arrogant manipulative dickheards in fantasy
You're right, they're less manipulative but equally arrogant dickheads as Eldar

>>144173526
I actually play coop with my friends

You know those things anon, friends? Those things you have when you have people who like you and you play with. Rather than trying to get your human interaction from RNG people on the internet because no one can stand the sight of you.

What's the mod that has units like Handgunner armored? Help. I lost it and I don't have a clue.

>>144173506
but his point is, what's to even fucking balance in the campaign? you can do whatever the fuck you want even while it's "unbalanced"

>>144173506

Balance does not matter in anything but MP

>>144171734
>Artillery count for loads in auto-resolve
>But it is shit in actual battles if more than a few.

>implying

6 great cannons will obliterate like 3-4 units elite units like chosen or giants before they ever even get close. For their cost, that's effective as fuck compared to bringing actual elite units like demigryphs or greatswords.

I can hold a hill for all time with swordsmen, cannons and guns, and all for a fraction of the upkeep of elite tier units

>>144173514
Late game IS when you are snowballing

>>144173250
>>144173296
>>144173401
>All this misery
>Yet the game says Dwarfs are an easy start

>>144173596
Armored Empire/State Troops or something like that? Dunno

>>144173506
>I'm complete shit at total war and struggle against braindead AI but I'm still gonna argue about unit balance

>>144173506
>You win against the AI no matter what if you aren't beyond shit
>Balance matters here
vs.
>Actual strategies will be used and countered and require decently balanced troops to be able to function in the slightest
>Balance doesn't matter here

You're strange anon

>>144173605
Sure thing anon, lets have crossbow units deal 999 damage because "lol you can break it anyway"

No anon. No.

>>144173627
See above. Balance both exists and matters in campaign.

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>>144173595
>>144173526
blown the fucking crap out anon this guy just fucking verbally man handled you, ya fucking goof loser. Get some friends and maybe you can play some coop but until then play your shitty multiplayer while eating your own poop.

>>144173593
>Three words: War. Of. Vengeance.
you know that shit was all masterfully orchestrated by the skaven right?

They're the reason all the good factions keep in-fighting

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>>144173596

>wanting even more OP infantry for the Empire

>>144173673
>Dwarfs are an easy start
That's really confusing, yes.
Dwarfs are the only faction I had to restart twice on normal ;_;

>>144173689
>>144173691
>MPfags are upset no one cares about MP
Woopdefuckingdo. No one cares.

You're as bad as SJW warriors bitching about a game not having enough females.

>>144173595
Ye. I play campaigns and Multiplayer battles with them. It's fun because we exclude Empire and boot people that don't switch off of it.

It's so much more enjoyable.

>>144173694
Also just how often you go to extremes that no one's talking about in your attempts deflect people's arguments is cute

>>144173694

>See above. Balance both exists and matters in campaign.

I just finished a goblin only campaign, it certainly does not matter.

As I've said before, anything can work in campaign, you stack a shitload of general talents, tech items etc. that buff a particular type of unit they will beat anything because the AI has no access to these buffs and they spec their generals like retards.

>>144172720
>was on 2
lets hope this is a massive increase in FPS then

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>>144173716
>orchestrated by the skaven
Wasn't it just Malekith being the greatest asshole in existence?

Also Skaven a best!

>>144173673
there are just too many things that can happen that royally fuck them. honestly if your nigs to the left didn't die every single time or have the orcs outright bypass them it would be easy. the reality is you're going to face grimgor and scabby eye 20 stacks on turn fucking 8 and if you're really unlucky there are going to be more faggots tunneling in from the south and you're going to have absolute shit gold unless you pull some serious tacticool victories.

>>144173748

R-radious?

>>144172850
Ok, I am actually going to take the time to explain this to you retards. The CA games balance was always largely rock-papper-scissors with some exceptions. Now I am going to use Attila for this explanation because you are to obsessed with your dumbass warhammer fluff.

Two-handers have always easily beaten other infantry units in tw, since that is literally their main and only purpose, armour penetration units beat armoured units who would have fucking thought?

The sword and shield made up for their lack of offensive capabilities by being a bit better at dealing with OTHER infantry counters. For example while both the nordic axemen(2 hand) and the nordic chosen warriors (1hand) are a bad unit for tanking shock cav the axemen will most likely die instantly to the charge, while the swordunits will survive relatively longer and bog down the horses giving you time to react with an appropriate counter. The two handers lack of shields is another way of balancing, they are vulnerable to missiles.

Now, CA had fucked up with warhammer by giving two handed units EXACTLY THE SAME FUCKING ARMOUR VALUE AS SWORD AND SHIELD, AND IN CASE OF GREATSWORD EVEN HIGHER THAN SHIELDED, which means that not only do the two handers beat regular infantry AS THEY FUCKING SHOULD, but they also hold their ground against cavalry and missiles just as good, and in case of empire even better, as their shielded counterparts

So the shitty balancing isnt the fact that greatswords beat regular chosen, this is something they should do, its their main fucking purpose, but the fact that regular sword and board infantry has the same or nearly the same fucking armour as two-handers

And if you want to bitch about real retardation in balance then bitch about the fact that chaos lances for some dumb reason cost more than demigryph knights

>>144172546
Turn 60? How in the everloving fuck did you do that? Please give me a play by play O great Lord so that i can learn how to git gud. (What difficulty are you on?)

>>144173687
>>144173754

The unit cards were really nice. I just wanted to see them. I don't know what mod it was but it made like. Spearmen (Armored)

>>144173673

Dwarves are the easiest faction in the game, especially at the start considering I'm pretty sure their base units are better than what anybody else starts with especially compared to Greenskins.

Grudgebearer can pretty much solo anything you throw at him through that whole campaign, too.

>>144173716
>skaven
the skaven had precious little to do with it, it was Malekiths doing, who knew the Dwarfs well due to being the Ambassador of Ulthuan in Karaz Ankor for centuries.

>>144173706
>crap
>poop
>goof
you underage nigga?

>>144173775
The fact that you genuinely have no concept of the fact that multiplayer is the only place needs real balance leads me to believe you are ass at video games and play primarily against AI. Like, a Coop vs. AI player on Mobas or something.

>>144173821
The fact you wanted to and was able to complete a goblin only campaign just proves my point. But I guess thats a point that went right over your head.

Whatever anon, if you believe that its what you believe, but you're stupid for thinking its true.

>>144173938
>>144173870

>malekith

I'm pretty sure the skaven are responsible for some war between the dorfs and the elves though

Or maybe I'm taking memes from /tg/ as canon

>>144173914

Greatswords shouldn't beat chosen

>>144173775
I don't play multiplayer, but it's a much better indicator of game balance than the campaign. If the empire wins every multiplayer battle something is clearly wrong and needs to be changed. CA clearly agrees since they made a balancing forum.

>>144172984
YOU RETARDED CUNT WHAT PART OF 100 FUCKING ARMOUR AGAINST A UNIT WITH NO ARMOUR PENETRATION DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

100 ARMOUR IS ENOUGH TO DROWN OUT ALL THE STAT DIFFERENCES, GREATSWORDS HAVE ARMOUR PEN SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY DAMAGE CHOSEN, WHILE CHOSEN CANT EVEN SCRATCH THE GREATSWORDS BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO ARMOUR PEN

FUCKING DUMB CUNT

>>144173694
>>144173775

i feel like i'm staring into the soul of Nurgle. what the fuck are you even talking about.

i honestly don't know where to draw the line from "omega-autism" to "i'm getting epicly trole'd"

>>144173957
>>144174015
Okay 2%, you keep claiming MP is important.

>>144173967

Balance only matter in MP, you can get away with anything in campaign.