/twg/ - Total War General

Hey guys about to start a campaign as Vampire Cunts, any tips for me? I'm new to the total war campaigns, (not the battles, i exclusively played battles only in previous TW games)

First for Nvidia drivers never

>>144130782
>i exclusively played battles only in previous TW games
Explain yourself.

>can't see ranged unit accuracy and reload speed

why

I "upgraded" my dwarven catapults to those cannons only to find out they're fucking worthless.

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SOL INVICTUS when

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THIS SUMMER

>>144130782
its okay to play at normal or even Easy. The tutorial for Warhammer is really good so just take it slow read everything Birdman tells you and make sure to have fun and get up us posted!

>>144130632
THERE ARE NO ELECTOR COUNTS TO SUMMON FRANZ, THEY ALL MUTNIED AS SOON AS YOU CAME TO THE FUCKING THRONE

THEY NEARLY TOOK ALDORF YOU DUMB FUCK, THAT'S HOW BROKEN THE EMPIRE IS

NOW THE NORTH IS MISSING BECAUSE OF CHAOS, AND YOU STILL WANT TO SUMMON THE ELECTOR COUNTS

NO, YOU DO NOT CONSENT? WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT FRANZ? I'M SENDING YOU TO FUCKING ALDORF TO GIVE YOU 12 STEAM TANKS

>>144130861
Someone gifted me medieval 2 total war and all I did was play the custom battles.

I tried a campaign once it took too long to get into action, and it was always with boring units

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Nth for suicidal orc

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>WE'S GOBBOS!

Sigvald is the best chaos lord.

>>144130972
I mean I'd like some idea on what buildings and technologies to research :)

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Fuck got a dissertation to write for Friday and I just want to play TWW.

>>144131215
Finding out for yourself is half the fun!

More in-depth tips is what "we" excel at! Like this for instance *tips*

>>144130782
VC is the slow and steady expansion faction, they rely heavily on having their target at at least 50% corruption. In the beginning your best bet is to mass zambies, in 2 stacks if you can manage it, and bro-op enemy stacks by surrounding them with worthless zombies and executing their lord with Manny.

>>144131328
>even the monster seems a bit concerned

I miss medieval imagery

>>144130948
COMING TO A 10 MINUTE TURN WAIT NEAR YOU

>>144131215
Well for Warhammer really every non capital settlement follows the same pattern of

Money Building
Defense Building
Flex slot mostly Growth, but others.

Technologies is kind of a moot point because you just research them all. I guess just get the ones that buff the units you actually use.

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>>144131464
I got you f'am

Karl Franz
>Level 21
>Deathclaw
>All relics
>One Man Army build
>Battle hardened veterans of Archeons invasion
>Balthasar Gelt as his back up army

>assassinated by a Banshee

How does that even happen, that had to be like a 5% chance.

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>yfw Araby turns out to also be a copy-paste of The Empire

>>144130782
Keep the starting Varghulf alive, it will slaughter all your enemies for you

Corrupt everything. Build corruption buildings and park your agents in enemy territory. Watch as they take attrition in their own lands and get destroyed by rebels

Terrorgheists will murder everyone and cause the rest to shit their pants, use them

Zombies are disposable currency for raise dead. Just send hordes of them against a town, take it with your real army, and raise endgame units at turn 20

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WHEN

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Chaos Dwarves just got added boys

>>144131801
I just used the mod that stops enemies from using Agents on you. I'm not going to deal with the bullshit caused by the AI hitting a 10% chance and killing my main general right before a big battle.

>>144132006
>blob fight#3256

next total...war is...promisingzzzzz

>this game is already unplayable because The Empire is twice as good as every other faction

>>144132047
well they man the hellcannons

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>>144132006
NEVER

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>>144132264
Fuck off, Todbringer.

>>144132264
Do you have facts to back up that statement?

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>You will never be as happy as this goblin

>>144130919
Learn to read tooltips.

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Are all ranged units in this game complete garbage or is my "Shogun 2 is my most played TW game" showing through?

Why the fuck does Skaelig keep declaring on me and me alone before the chaos event?

Impossible to deal with them and expand on turn fucking 14.

>>144128097
Repost in case the poster migrated here first
How to orcs:
>Grimgor
>Fight the dorfs while you consolidate the badlands
>Take barak var's clay before they can confederate with Thorgrimm
>if you can't beat them, raid their territory with disposable stacks
>Build boss tents in every non-capital city
>Black orcs are elite
>Goblin wolf riders are the best cavalry in the game, just don't leave them stuck in, micro non stop
>Doom divers everywhere
>don't take too many missiles, two or three max per stack
>trolls are better at fighting off AIs cavalry than yours is

How to sieges:
>all the boys run at the walls with ladders/towers
>trolls to smash down gates and attack whoever is on the other side
>goblins to give the trolls fodder so they don't get mobbed
>expect heavy losses
>sack afterwards

>>144132506
No. Ranged units are amazing. Unless you're talking about goblin archers.

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>>144132264
>Empire
>Better than Goblins

what kind of cunt names their "empire" "The Empire"

>>144132384
Go run Demigryphs into any unit of your choosing including halberds and spears

Go run Greatswords into any infantry of your choosing including Chosen variants

Go kill any hero/lord of your choosing by cycling Witch Hunter Accusations at no winds of magic cost

Go right click and afk any unit of your choosing with a Steamtank

Well, go on

>>144132779
confident ones

>>144131215
>>144130782
For vampire counts I find it's best to start top left tree to buff your skellies or bottom right to prop up your weak economy

>>144132006
that unit collision blows

how do I use waaghs? Mine disapeared before it could even reach its target which was in two turns

>>144132482
Learn to not be a fucking moron.

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Remember to bully Gobbos.

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nah
I guess Altdorf's getting sacked instead

>>144131027
Do goblins have objectively the best voice acting in the game?
>aww, this stinks!

>>144131937
>Zombies are disposable currency for raise dead. Just send hordes of them against a town, take it with your real army, and raise endgame units at turn 20


What do you mean send hordes against a town, take it with your real army?

Don't understannd

Thanks for helping :)

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>>144133163
Goblins have the best everything in this game

>>144133163
Gonna kill em!

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Here comes dat boii!
o shit waddup!

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PROUD ORCS TO THE LAST MAN

"I am here, mortal. And i bring your end. For Averheim will soon fall, and the rest of your pathetic cities will follow. All those that oppose me will die, and rise again as my puppets. The Undead fear nothing.
Where are thy allies? Hiding beneath the mountains? For the Dark is my realm, the grave, my throne!
Yet you have much to fear, for I am the true ruler of thy Empire. Thine brave corpses will make a fine addition to my army."


What did he mean by this?

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>>144133060
Unit Collision you say

Is there a level cap to Generals? This is my first playthrough so I didn't have an idea of what to go for and I'm worried about fucking over a decent build.

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not too bad for turn 3 I expect I'll lose all of it soon, since the gobbos are already raiding me and the dwarves are invading, but who gives a shit

Anyone able to explain how Hobodorg can be Snackmaster69 in a duel? Makes no fucking sense, fuck off

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>>144133236
>>144133307
>GOBBOS
>STAB 'EM

>>144133393
he means all who oppose him will be made into fresh meaty corpses 'cuz they probably muscley because they actually wanna fight the vampire counts
while those who don't fight Counts will be free to live normal lives under the protection of the hordes of undead

>>144133421
30

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Aww, poor guy. Feels bad that i'm going to destroy the shit out of him.

Pushed the Kingdom right back to Holy Mousillon before we could stop them. The might of the Black Grail prevailed though.

What does it mean if the force estimator colours during an engagement are checkered red / yellow instead of solid?

>>144132047
that's not total war it's a skyrim mod

Are Vampire Counts the ultimate r9k/robot faction?

>Mannfred has no gf
>raises skeletons to be his friends
>talks to himself at the start of battles
>has a doggo
>been wronged by society
>grudge against everyone else

>>144132579
Pretty good advice, also
>Hope the Top Knots and Bloody Spears don't decide to attack you for no raisin while you seige Karaz-a-Karak on higher difficulties

>>144133925
that's not a skyrim mod that's a mount&blade mod

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nth for assless chaps

>>144134043
sorry i made a mistake it's actually oblivion tho

Is there anything I can do to make Nordland become my friend at the beginning of an Empire campaign? They always reject my non aggression pact, even when I tried to give them 600 gold. I know I need to be friends with them for a quest fairly early on but they're being fuckers, and if I start allying with other provinces, then they'll start to like me even less.

>>144133213
Throw a disposable stack of a lvl1 random lord and 19 zombies at a fortified town, just autoresolve and let em die. The huge number of dead will generate a battlefield icon on the map that lets you use your hilariously bullshit raise dead army ability to raise advanced units, possibly even top tier ones if enough units die.

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>>144134109
>He picked the Slaneesh fag champion

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Greenskin players will understand.

>3/4's of the Reikland seceded from the Empire

What'd Karl do, take their guns?

>>144133876
It's to give you an idea of where about the "random" chance to win an autoresolve is.

In previous games the bar could be favored to you but you'd still lose anyway, which could be really frustrating. No effect on actually fighting the battle yourself, though.

>try and use pistoleers
>they're so bad that I lost a fucking story battle with them
Also skirmish mode only seems to work for the one specific target you pick

>>144133690
Are the leaders of minor factions LLs as well or can they die?

>>144134239
holy shit this seems so OP

how many stacks can you maintain with VCs? Of proper armies I mean, like one or two?

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>playing VC
>having fun conquering the empire with Manfred who is far away
>out of nowhere comes this dwarven army from karak justfuckmyshitup east of Sylvania that starts razing my minor cities
>can't catch up with them because best mechanic amirite
>finally manage to pin them down with a banshee and defeat their army with ol'Kemmler
>going to raze their capital because I have a personal grudge now
>garrsion is too strong so I send Kemmler back for reinforcements
>chaos warriors enter Ostermark, have to send Kemmler there to defend
>benny hill starts playing, you know the drill
>those dwarves show up again in sylvania and start razing cities once more
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DAWI'S GET OUTTTT
>have to go back 30 turns to the last save where shit wasn't fucked yet

Tell me now which mod removes this shit plz

>>144134343
They're all LL's.

Does anyone have cool vampire count wallpaper of the monster units? From WARHAMMER Fantasy I mean

Any terrorgheists, varghulfs or cool undead cavalry/wraiths would be awesome, thanks

>>144134318
I have to agree, I tried to use them as skirmishers to take apart some shitty infantry but it took so long that I'd have just been better off using a regular sword unit in the end. They serve literally no purpose outside of maybe taking out siege units behind enemy lines and even then I think they'd lose that fight.

>>144134351
It's gonna depend on your income obviously but early on one proper stack is all you'll have. You can run 3 or 4 with accompanying fodder stacks pretty easily mid-late game or just swarm the world with infinite zombie stacks if you want.

>>144134351
I'd recommend one full stack until you make around 3-5k per turn, then you can build another using the exact same spot you raised your first army, because corpses don't deplete. VC start in a very defensible position. First you take down any rival vampires to the west. Then you head east and take care of the Dwarves. From there, you can go west or south to your heart's content. Keep the northern nations alive as a buffer.

>>144134558
>build walls in every settlement
>make the enemy bleed for every time they try to sack my cities

>>144134558
There's a mod that gives you increased moment in friendly territory will that help its by Dresden.
>>144134947
Yep pretty much gotta put walls in every minor settlement.

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Holy shit empire are so fun and they have so much unit variety when compared to other races. I don't even know what to build for my armies so in the end I went with 4 spears, 4 swordsmen, 3 outriders, 3 mortars and 3 great cannons leaving me space for the general, captain and battle wizard in each army.
>mortars and cannons blow the shit out of them
>outrider teams go flank and harass
>they either chase the outriders and get blasted by the big guns or go after the big guns and blasted by the outriders
>spears eat the charge while swords creep around the flanks
Replace swords with great-swords and spears for halberds late game but I never really had space for the other units.

I allied with the vampires a funneled them towards Kislev with sneaky politics so they would corrupt everything and shield us against chaos.
Come end game the top right of the map was basically fantasy Vietnam, as soon as some chaos hordes approached my guys they would all dive for cover in ambush mode and we would run around trying to out-position each other as the attrition and agents murdered all our troops.

How did you build your armies?
Are the steam tanks, luminark of hysh and demi-gryph knights worth using?
What's the best school of magic in your opinion?

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Any combat mods you would recommend? Stuff like tiny fixes to stats or something would be great.

>>144134631
skirmisher cav has always been a meme and is never good.

Alright, how the fuck do you deal with controlling 20+ units on a battlefield?

I can manage up to 20 or so easily enough, but once the bar starts compressing, I just can't keep up. I know I'm losing more men then I have to, just because the AI can react to all this shit instantly.

>>144135081
15 steam tanks
3 demigriffs
1 great sword
gelt

ez game

>>144135335
Pause button, don't be afraid to use it.

>>144135382
skip the fluff, just get 4 more steam tanks

>>144135081

>Are steam tanks etc etc

Steam tanks are good. Luminark is shit. It's buffs are more useful than it is. If I ever use it, I actually park it right behind the front lines to give that 12% damage resistance to as many people as possible.

Demigryphs are insanely good.

>>144135335

Use groups anon

Also someone get the roll chart out, I need a new campaign after beating everyone and empire twice

>>144130762
Darkfall failed because they only allowed 10,000 people to buy copies on the first day

I remember people on /v/ were all going "WHAT THE FUCK LET ME BUY" and in the end the dream of a mighty /v/ army (since the Darkfall community on /v/ was large and had fucked up shit in the MMO Wurm Online run by the swedish faggot Rolf when we built the glorious city of Brotopia) people rapidly lost interest

The release is what killed it, at least on 4chan

is there a mod to respec my skill points? I kinda fucked up Mannfred because I didn't realize he capped at 30

>>144135017
Does that mod fuck up a lot of the balance or does it work well?

>>144135546

I guess I should. I've been avoiding it, but I don't think it's humanely possible to keep up with these battles once the numbers get high enough. I'd be OK with it in a vs player match because they're just as hobbled by it, but the AI has no such flaws.

>>144135081

8 swordsmen, 4 musket 4 crossbow and 3 arty

They can take down a stack of anything depending on what arty you got

>>144135724
Literally nothing wrong with the pause button.

It is impossible as a human player to react to everything at once, imagine the pause button as your officers issuing commands.

>>144135626

It's not a problem of groups. It's a problem of literally not being able to click fast enough to keep a straight battle line, or making sure my archers haven't decided to stop firing or other such shit.

>>144135884

what if he plays on legendary

Are there any mods that don't completely break the balance of the campaign while giving quality of life improvements?

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>>144135626
here you go senpai
>manny the fanny get

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So, should I keep on with trying to learn how to include a brand new faction and make a new full roster for them then release, or should I just go ahead, finish off what I got and release the Chaos Dwarfs as an add-on to Chaos, then try and figure out how to get the rest to work later?
I still got to do all the texts, ui, their cost and upkeep, and choose what buildings can make them, so it's not like I'm releasing them tonight or anything either way. I might've bitten off more then I can chew with this idea of a full roster and ingame faction, but we'll see.

>>144135884

I don't need to justify it in-game. I can already fly in the sky and issue orders instantly from across the battlefield.

I think I'm just going to start using it. It's a tool there for exactly this purpose after all. No sense in not using it.

>>144135939
You must be a true masochist if you play battles on legendary.

>couple days ago that anon kept posting about his steam tank army called panzergruppe something.
>think it's just memeposting gimmick army and not worth the money
>decide to give it a shot during my conquest of the southern realms
>army of steam tanks gets attacked by 4 full stacks of Estalia shittiers
>0 loses
>4K+ kills
>only 5 steam tanks were brought down to half health

Sigmar preserve me.

is save-scumming not possible on assassination attempts?

>>144136171

it can be a hassle sometimes

>>144133114
>I don't need an army, just 20 good men

>>144136101
come make mods for Warsword instead senpai

>>144135705
Never played it, but probably not too much makes it easier to deal with people in your lands and harder to conquer sounds fair.

>>144136174
Nerf Empire already pls

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Does chaos just endessly pump out stacks? The first wave was a push over, the norsicans are more trouble since they're swarming all over like fucking bees.

>>144135917

>highlight all
>guard mode
>highlight archers
>fire at will off
>groups infantry
>send them at enemy, they will keep formation
>select all archers
>click guy


>>144136016

Agent hostile action removal, its straight cheating, but necessary until they nerf the AI's agent bonus

Dresdens +10% movement bonus in your territory mod, really helps chase down annoying shitters

Better AI recruitment composition, less armies of all pistols and mortars

Tower range nerf, now they cant pepper you from the other side of the map

If Chaos, infighting removal, its a silly mechanic

>>144136101
Add them into chaos for now so they can be tested. Then when you are ready moved them into the new faction. As for what builds them. I think they would be good be build next to the hell cannons l. Cus they are manned by C.dwaves and all.

>>144136101
Your work you do as much as you want. Think it'd be better to just have them as part of chaos. Maybe you could look at that legendary lord replacement thingy and try and copy that.

cost inefficient units AKA GARBAGE:
Luminark
irondrakes
chaos trolls
gobo archers
no shield spears


any more?

>>144136081

Rollin and savin

>>144136174
Steam tanks are insane good, made even more insanely good by the +10 armor tech, and the lord skill that gives them a +15% ward save and charge bonus

>>144136101
Keep them as part of Chaos until CA bothers to release the remaining Assembly Kit

Godspeed anon, that looks great

>>144136346
>Dresdens +10% movement bonus in your territory mod, really helps chase down annoying shitters
>Better AI recruitment composition, less armies of all pistols and mortars

Those sound the best without completely cheating. I plan on doing a Greenskin/Dwarf campaign so the agent spam won't be as insufferable as my Chaos campaign.

Towers never bothered me, it gives the defense some advantage instead of exploiting the already bad siege defense AI.

>>144135081
>How did you build your armies?
KARL FRANZ on Deathclaw
2 Demigryphs w/out halberds
4 Greatswords
4 Swords
4 Halberds
2 Crossbows
2 Handgunners
1 Steamtank

>>144136174
Never forget Panzergruppe Feuerbach

k. und k.

>>144136481

>no shield spears

They're incredibly cost efficient, they're almost on par with swordsmen, they just dont have a shield which is useless in many engagements

Anyways add marauders and chaos warriors to that list, also hellblasters and zombies

>>144136481
Slayers?

>force to fight every battle manually with VC otherwise every monster unit dies when i do auto

CA pls fix

>almost 100 turns into chaos campaign
>still haven't subjugated the Norscan tribes
>still haven't brought about the end times
help

>play the most epic battle and barely eek out a win
>game crashes afterwards

fuck I've been grinding the same battle to win just so my campaign is that way it deserves to be

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>>144136874
don't fall for the "sigvald isn't good" meme

>>144136874

>still haven't subjugated the Norscan tribes

STOP

THERES NO REASON TO SUBJUGATE NORSCA, ITS NOT A FUCKING GOAL

YOU END UP WASTING SHITLOADS OF TURNS FIGHTING FOR GUYS WHO WONT EVEN HELP MUCH WHILE YOUR ENEMIES THRIVE WITH NO CHAOS INCURSIONS

STOP

>have autistic mindset to never have negative income
>cannot enjoy chaos due to autism

help

>>144136743
>zombies
zombies serve one single purpose, and for their cost, they do it quite well

>>144137024
>other factions killed the dwarves, empire, and bretonnia for you

Epic

>>144137029
Too bad Norse incursions are that much stronger than Chaos will ever be.

>Play Empire
>Expand quickly, Todbringer killed one of the Orc hordes before it even became a problem
>grab Bastonne after it got leveled
>Marienburg falls to me with a bit of luck (doomstack took on one of my allies that had come down to help and was crippled enough to be irrelevant to the siege)
>Confederate with two provinces
>Vampire Counts literally driving a straight line westwards so turn to deal with them
>kill Mannfred and Kemmler twice (holy fuck vampire counts are annoying to fight its just a perpetual tarpit even once their generals die)
>now have to keep my two stacks sitting in the towns they took
>corruption is so high that if they leave for even a few turns, they'll be a rebellion
>then Bastonne has a rebellion
>then dwarves invade

Fuck it. The game isn't lost. I can just abandon those shitholes in the east and stabilise my core provinces. But I honestly can't be arsed spending 30 turns stabilizing everything while fending off these raids.

I'm just going to restart. Lessons learnt: Alliance only with a few people, otherwise you get drawn into endless combat spam or forced to break your alliances. Confederations are actually barely worth the fucking trouble with that huge order penalty. Focus on getting taverns in every fucking town so I don't have to deal with this constant lowering public order. Focus on economy before anything else. More money = more stacks.

>>144137081
You don't know suffering until you're floating 300k by turn 100.

>>144137081
It is quite the burden to bear as Chaos, but when you get 20-30k for looting a city you understand and the autism quiets down.

>>144137187
And the Skaeling/Varg will invade on their own, you dont need vassals

Any ssd users here? How long does it usually take to load battles, can you actually somewhat enjoy using monsters because even if you have to fight manually it doesn't take a long time to get into the fight?

>>144136481

>no shield spears

But they're great for their cost?

>>144137341
Warhammer on a SSD is sub 10 second load times for anything.

>>144137327
There is a good chance they're still hostile to you and attack you though.

>>144137341
Load times are generally around 5 seconds

>>144137341
I am playing co op right now. I have an ssd, he has a 7200RPm HDD
I spend a minute waiting every battle for it to load

>>144137164
>systematically destroy the three
>ai jumps into the ruins
>others did it for you
i hit the empire first, letting mousillon of all people take over altdorf, ect.
I headed south where i ended up propelling the greenskins to victory in their blood feud. having to cross those fucking deserts took a long ass time, but you can just run over attrition zones with march.
swing up the coast pillaging everything on the way, to take out the last bastion of bretonnia, who got cornered into their capital by mousilon thanks to me camping both my agents there and spamming assasinates and destroying buildings.

>>144137473
So? Subjugated tribes are also likely to just secede and fight you, happened to me with two vassal tribes at once

>>144136346

It's still a pain. I'm fine with that against human players, but I think I'm going to pause against 30+ unit AI stacks.

>>144136346

Yeah, I pause whenever I have to deal with pretty much any number of units. Trying to get a proper flank off with infantry without pausing is a nightmare. And there's always one unit that you forget.

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>>144137460
>>144137476
>tfw no SSD

>>144136081
rollin

>>144136481
>Vargeists
>Black Knight w/ Lance & Barding
>Black Coach
>Hex Wraiths
>Cairn Wraiths
>All Gyrocopters
>All Chaos infantry except Great Weapon Chosen
>Grail Knights
>Most Greenskin units

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>>144136241
20
GOOD
MEN

>>144136081
roolll

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>lose an important battle
>savescum
>autoresolve the exact same battle
>decisive victory

>>144137191
Don't make any defensive alliances in the early game because it'll either force you to fight someone you don't want to, or someone will be mad at you because you didn't help them fight.

You can pretty much sit in the Reikland, and then take Marienburg when you're ready, and turtle up. Try and make trade agreements and non aggression pacts with everyone.

How in the fuck am I EVER going to heal up my lords as Chaos? I understand that you can just shit out max level troops by putting in an agent, getting the right techs and all, so you just merge and recruit new cunts.

But FUCK ME THESE LORDS WONT HEAL UP AT ALL.

>>144137935

>goblins

not even worth putting your surcoat on 2bh my knigger

>>144137885
It's one of the few games i've put on my SSD. If you can spare the money a SSD it's worth it, especially when you put your OS on it.

>>144137976
I hate this

>Super important battle that is campaign deciding
>Will win with an auto resolve, but guaranteed to lose an actual battle

It feels like cheating

>>144137191
Protips for the Empire
>NAP with everyone asap
>Secure reikland asap, turtle up
>Get a defensive alliance with nordland for runefang quest
>stick a stack near marienburg, pounce on it the second they leave it undefended
>delete your barracks, stick it in a town since its top level is tier 3
>fuck reiksguard, pointless
>get greatswords/demigryphs/tanks as quick as possible, steamroll from there

>>144137885
You can get a 120GB for less than 40 dollars. It's definitely worth making load screens zoom by before you can even finish reading how many kills your units got.

I miss when units with shields were line holders because they would use the shield to block damage occasionally

I hope they knew full well that they were resigning this game to "Great Weapons Only" because Armor Piercing is the only important stat

>>144138183

encamp and wait like the rest of us

>>144138040

I like doing it with Talabecland, because A) I can get them to pay me for it and B) anyone who attacks them, I can pretty much ignore, since it's basically always someone who has no borders with me.

>>144138187
kek'd wholesomely

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>>144136743
>zombies

Nigger are you serious?
An early game unbreakable meatshield to tank those nasty crossbows, spells and artillery fire and protect your more important units. They will need to go later on when slots start mattering but saying they are garbage is plain out fucking wrong.

Guys what should I skill Mannfred up as? As in what magic tree should I go for.

So confused halp pls :v

>>144138445
> :v

Try the lore of fire, it's really good on Mannfred.

Should units with 2-handed weapons have equivalent defense skill to units with shield + 1-handed weaponry?

>>144138438

>need to go later on when slots start mattering

Which is almost immediately

And saying they are unbreakable isnt exactly a pro, when literally all VC units are unbreakable

In fact, Skeletons will tank better than zombos thanks to their shields, and also be significantly more useful in combat

Zombies would have a purpose if we had bigger armies, but we dont

AUTORESOLVED QUESTS WHEN

>>144138263

Did pretty much all this.

I actually got pretty lucky. I was doing my usual plan of building two stacks, one to beat the secessionists and one to deal with the inevitable double orc horde that makes a stop at Grunburg, but Todbringer caught up with one of them, and Marienburg declared war on the other, so I didn't have to deal with that particular load of bullshit.

>>144138445

:v

>>144138696
>wanting to autoresolve the most fun battles in the game

kill urself my git

I federated as Empire, such a mistake.

Literally better to just forcefully conquer everything than deal with this shit.

Is is just me, or does putting someone on a horse make them worse at combat?

Maybe it's the animations.

>>144139032
How the fuck does that make sense

>>144139037
It is, I'm thinking next time I do Chaos I'll just leave Archaon unmounted

>>144130632
Yo /twg/

Is it normal if every multiplayer battle is slow to a crawl? Does anyone even play multi?

>>144139032

It's good once you've got an actual Empire going, with public order buildings in every province.

But it's not good for early expansion.

>>144139037
They become vulnerable to anti-large units and I think their animations are fucked.

I don't get how vamp corruption causing rebellions is supposed to work

The only provinces that can get corrupted enough are your neighbours and it's easier to just conquer them

>>144139037
Has its uses though, an exalted hero on his fucking manticore is great to come down on archers, nazgul style.

>>144136081
roll

Hopefully it's something like sigvald or kemmler

>>144139260
>>144139109

Shame.

I still think the Pegasus is worth it though. I feel kind of like a sniper rifle once I'm fully combat specc'd. Just pop all the buffs, drop out of the sky, and take off 3/4 of a legendary lord's HP in one attack, then swoop off again.

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>chaos faction stack
>it's mostly chaos dogs, chariots and axe throw horse-fuckers
Alt-f4ed just now due to this shit. I am tired of getting fucked because he can just run through anything and go straight for my crossbow man. I wouldn't even have these fucks in my army if I ever got to building elite units, but I put all my money in upgrading my settlements instead to the point I have won the fucking campaign when I am about to start building my first stack of not T1 units.

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>Demigryphs can't be that bad right
>They have a counter right

>>144137081
>>144137218
I found chaos silly

I had all the money but I was waiting on growth all the time

>>144139037
>>144139109
>>144139260
>>144139325

Normal horses are shit. I don't grab one until level 8, so I can get the Pegasus as soon as possible.

The Pegasus is great, since you can basically charge down and assassinate enemy leaders.

Deathclaw is... eh. He's pretty good against massed, low leadership infantry, but by the time you get him, you aren't fighting that much of that.

>>144138941
it's tedious repeating them every time you fail the start of legendary

>>144138941
>underground goblins/dwarfs quest
>fun
Nothing on that map is fun

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>Play as VC, Empire, Dwarf, Greenskins
>It's a lot of fun
>Play as Warrior of Chaos
>It's frustrating as fuck.

Why ?

>>144139615
wow you mean your tier 50 units beat a stack of tier 1 units WO

>>144138658

Of course skeletons will do better than zombies in combat. Just like of course grave guard will do better than skeletons in combat. That's why there are different recruitment costs and upkeep costs in the game.

They do their job very well for their dirt cheap cost. They also are better at tanking spells and artillery thanks to their cost.

>>144139710
Deathclaw is ridiculous and makes him SHIT on other lords for free, especially if they're on their own flying mount.

Deathclaw will literally 1v1 Mannfred on a Dragon with like 75% hp remaining

>>144139615
>Three things make the Empire great: faith, steel, and fucking demigryphs

>>144139032
I did the same

Confederated as dwarfs then realised I would have been better off slowly conquering everything until my tech hit peak

>>144136081
rolllllling

>>144139615

>end game units beating literal fodder

Try again with Halberdiers.

You'll still probably win, but you'll see more casualties.

>>144139868

Meant "thanks to their formation"

>>144139109

I found in my experience that if you federate too quickly without knowing what the ally has you might be in for a rough surprise.

Are the armies you'll be getting worth their upkeep? Are these new armies going to be able to defend the new lands you have. Are all the settlements correctly configured? Will you have to spend more money to get things like you want them? Do you have the economy to tear down an entire province and rearrange the buildings to be what you want?

Are you currently in a war on one front and the federation army which now defends the other side draining your war campaign funds? What if you confederate and have to downsize? What if their settlements are unhappy and start to mass rebel. It also gives you a - to relations towards your own race as well.

I'm retarded though so don't look at me. Empire seems very political. By not accept Stirland into the Empire right away I was able to bank 100k before Archaon was even a thing. And had no interests in the north at all besides trade.

>>144139865
Those units are there to counter horses you stupid fuck

They are specifically made as a deterrent for cavalary, except the balance in this game is so fucked up that there's a hyper-cav unit that is about 4x cost effective that doesn't give a fuck about what's supposed to counter it.

They have no counter, mouth breather. Do you understand?

Has anyone figured out how to get the achievement for getting a "militia" unit to max rank. What constitutes a militia unit? Also do hero passive stack? Like if I had 10 empire captains with the maxed training skill and put them in an army with ten Spearmen would they get 10 captains worth of XP per turn via training?

Jesus christ, fuck doing Kholeks quest battle with the standard units they give if you do it from the menu

>>144140149
>this beginning of the game counter to beginning of the game cavalry doesn't stop endgame cavalry
>they MUST be unstoppable!

>>144139793
what ails you friend

Is there a mod that automatically moves every character quest to its final stage? Just give the final objective as soon as you meet the level requirement e.g. "fight the goddamn battle where you get ambushed from 3 sides" instead of having to jump through these retarded nonsensical hoops all over the map.

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you would think GW would revamp WH table top instead of stopping it all together.

What skills should mannfred take? Torn between the magic and the passives

>>144139868

>They also are better at tanking spells and artillery thanks to their cost.

Literally irrelevant since both of those do jack shit for damage

And their cost isnt helpful when skellys are almost the same price

>Are the armies you'll be getting worth their upkeep?

Just delete them if they arent


>Are these new armies going to be able to defend the new lands you have
If you arent at war, yeah

>Are all the settlements correctly configured? Will you have to spend more money to get things like you want them? Do you have the economy to tear down an entire province and rearrange the buildings to be what you want

Why would conquering change that


>Are you currently in a war on one front and the federation army which now defends the other side draining your war campaign funds? What if you confederate and have to downsize? What if their settlements are unhappy and start to mass rebel. It also gives you a - to relations towards your own race as well.

Again why would conquering change that

>>144140398
Aint this the fastest selling total war game ? maybe GW will see that people want Fantasy back but they too dumb for that

>>144139109
The reason federating sucks is that you not only take a massive public order penalty for 5 turns (which is bearable) but you also take a massive diplomacy bonus with any other Empire factions.

I federated with someone else and immediately three other factions declared war on me. There's just no point to doing federations when you can just conquer it all at your leisure otherwise.

>Marienburg's doomstack is actually not very scary

It looks intimidating, until you realize that they've wasted 5 slots on pistoliers and a mortar they try to defend with said pistoliers.

The Reiksguard had four units of pistoliers on their asses for most of the battle, and lost 13 men over the course of five minutes.

>>144140006
What part of the game they're from is irrelevant. They cost 1400.

Non-Halberd Demigryphs will shit all over Grail Knights. Grail Knights are more expensive and the Demigryphs aren't getting a bonus against them.

Just to reiterate because it's hard to understand apparently, they cost less than Grail Knights and are many times more effective. With 1/3 the unit size.

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What's my first move as the proponent of Legalism?

>>144140503
Get the good magic as in the meme-leech and the buffs/debuffs, and then honestly an even split between combat stats and buffs to troops.

>>144140510

Whoops, forgot to link to

>>144140136

>>144140149
>Karl Franz has a steam tank
>attack him with tier 1 armor piercing unit
>it loses

WHAT THE FUCKING HELL STEAM TANK IS ARMORED REEEEE BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN

gut urself kiddo

*dashes at you*

*slices you into the air*

*pulls out dual pistols and shoots you 1000 times causing my bullets to keep you up in the air until you disintegrate from getting shot so many times*

easy

would azhag be worth taking first as opposed to grimgor "one man army" ironhide, if he actually got death magic before having to get his fedora of death?

>>144140149

See

>>144140006

But yes, Demigryphs are extremely strong, to the point of overpowering things that have counter measure to them through sheer power. Greatswords are much the same. The Empire has excellent late game units.

It makes up for it with utterly shit early game units.

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>>144140398

I feel like they just couldn't control WHFB players enough. So many of them were totally okay with using home-brew models and casted models because it fit in with the fantasy.

WH40k literally has shit like the Codex Astartes lore that is so strict that you can't make a Space-Marine who is part of the Black Templars use a Heavy Bolter. There are just strict rules and many players plainly follow them and some even refuse to play with anyone who makes up good models or rulesets.

I saw tons of custom fantasy stuff that was innovative and cool. And everyone was okay with this at one point or another.

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>>144140398
>>144140537
lmao at the ad in the launcher

I can't buy the miniatures you dipshits you discontinued them

>>144140752


Grimgor is a million times better than Azhag

>>144140573

Bretonnia as a whole is underpowered right now.

And if anything, the unit size makes them better. They're basically a bunch of mini-heroes as things stand right now.

Demigryphs are extremely powerful.

How do I start unique quest chains?
Von Car is lvl 8 but I haven't had any hint as to how to start the quest for the SoUP

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>>144140578
>Siege Spamming

Did they run this through google translate or something

>>144140990
They will unlock once you get to their level

>>144141025
Pretty sure they did

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is there anyway to end the chaos invasion or do they continue pouring in the entire game ?

also are hexwraith units worth it for the cost ?they seem pretty low damage and health for top tier units

>>144140752
It'd help, since that'd make him more of a mini-Manny. It's really hard to make a caster nearly as appealing as Grimgor since he'd ded 'ard and ded killy AF. Give Azhag much better starting units and maybe some more useful passives and I'd consider taking him.

>>144141070
I am lvl 8, the quest is open on the character screen but I have no idea how to start the chain

>hey friend can i have some military access
>no
>but there are greenskin running around your territory I want to go kill them
>no stay out
>goes in anyway and kills the 20 stack of greenskin
>what the fuck dude i said no
>-15 relations

what the fuck

>>144139607
are you cute? I will protect you from the evil chaos dogs

>>144140990
You have to cycle through a turn after he hits the level that unlocks the quest.

>>144140840
well say in multiplayer, azhag is perfectly viable because he gives orcs death magic, and mobility on skullmuncha. grimgor is the notorious "please kill me" lord.

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>>144140006
>>144140761
>Black Knights w/ Lances and Barding

>>144141152

If you kill Archaon, Sigvald, Kholek, and Birdbrain, the chaos invasion ends

>also are hexwraith units worth it for the cost ?

Nope

>>144141152
Hexwraiths are anti cavalry. They got 75% physical damage reduction.

>>144141170
You've started a new turn since he hit 8 right? If so then the details are under the quest tab on the top right of the campaign screen.

>>144141197
>what the fuck dude i said no

There you go.

>>144141219
thank you

>>144140379
Well, I expected WoC to play a bit like Orcs. But it's actually really different. Not having buildings is especially frustrating : you can't afford to lose any army.

As a result, everything feels slow and frustrating. I'm at turn 40 now, with two hordes : Archaon's and Sigvald's. Archaon's army is pretty strong, with lots of Chaos Warriors and poison hounds. Sigvald's is a new army, and can't recruit Warriors yet, so apart from a few of them transferred from Archaon's horde, he only has marauders and normal dogs. As a result, he's weak as fuck, his growth is minimal, and that means he'll stay that way for a long time while Archaons keeps on rolling on things. And razing marauder settlements to get quick growth is made harder by the fact the Skaeling shit veteran stacks with trolls and poison hounds.

And the tribes I awaken are either getting rekt my the northern dwarfs, or keep declaring war on each other.

Who has the thickest/meatiest cock in proportion to body size out of the legendary lords?

>>144141245
>Demigryphs are overpowered
Shocking news. We knew this since day one you faggot.

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>>144141245
>>144140980
Hex Wraiths (100 more per unit than Demigryphs)

>>144141224
>mp

who gives a shit

>>144141245
whoa bro, you mean the sub par VC cav designed for charging arent able to hold up against the guys known for their cavs top tier cav

whoa...really makes you think huh...

>>144141152
I personally love em because Ethereal is boss and they can deploy anywhere but some people swear by BKs instead.

>>144141419
Kholek, obviously

Then Karl

>>144141431
Hex Wraiths aren't shock cavalry you tard. That's like sending in Pistoliers in melee against Chosen Halbardiers and expecting them to win.

>>144133591
What are these videos? I saw a webm yesterday and it fuckin hilarious.

>>144141419
I bet Kholek's dick is tiny. Ever seen a gorilla dick?


Yeah. Didn't think so.

>>144141419
Probably Archaon or Sigvald, Slaanesh's blessings abound.

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>>144141245
>>144141431
Chaos Knights /w Lances (200 more per unit than Demigryphs)
>>144141287
Hexwraiths are anti nothing, they suck. They have 75% damage reduction and 75% less health. It's a trick, fyi.

>>144141265
do I have to kill them in battle do assassinations work ?

>>144141768

>halberds kill horses

who woulda thought

Whats the point of this

>>144141768
why is this guy testing a bunch of cav units against halberds? In what situation is this relevant, except for extreme tactical mistakes?

Shouldn't you be testing them against other cav?

>>144141768
>Hey I know how to make a faction look weak! lets put units against their direct counters and then post the results!

>>144141878
You can assassinate them, if you want to cheese the only important event in the game

Its pretty funny to think some random assassin can come in and slit Archaons throat

Or sneak a bomb into Kholeks food

>>144141768
b-b-b-but anon the Demigryphs only annihilated the Halberds because the Halberds are early game trash!

>But they counter every other Cavalry unit exactly like they should

n-no...it's n-not t-true

>>144141886
You missed this part. The part where Empire spamming cucks tried to act like Halberds not killing Demigryphs makes sense.
>>144139615
>>144139865
>>144140006

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> Tomb Kings still not announced

>>144141886
>>144141920

He's trying to prove that Demigryphs are overpowered, because they completely ignore most of the anti-cav units that effects everyone else, on top of shitting on basically every unit in the game.

The problem is, most of us already know this.

have people used Demigryph spam in multi? I saw Legend do it once but he got destroyed by an empire army not using Demigryphs

>>144142073
You came in late today.

>>144142030
Little known fact: Kholek is extremely lactose intolerant

>>144142061
But literally everyone knows Demigryphs are OP already and its already well documented

whats your point

>>144142061

I still want you to try with Empire Halberdiers.

Like I said, the Demigryphs will still probably win, but I'm interested to see by just how much.

>>144141971
Nope, see
>>144142061

You missed the very first part where pants on head retards acted like Demigryphs assblasting 2000+ Halberds was in any was logical. These Halberds should do exactly what they're doing. They just don't to Demigryph's because Demigryphs are the most broken unit a Total War game has ever seen.

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>>144141025
Jesus fuck they turned that gatehouse into an arrow machinegun tower

It's like they're recreating Red Cliff or something

>>144141886
>>144141971
>>144141920
he's testing demigryph knights and the other factions' equivalent units against a basic counter to said unit. Only the demigryphs and chaos were able to win, and chaos barely pulled out with a more expensive unit while the demigryphs soundly spanked the enemy.

His point is demigryphs are overpowered, but the problem is no one really cares about balance in this game because any faction can beat a legendary AI and that's all that really matters

>>144141325
Yep I feel dumb, just had to pass the turn

>>144141337
>getting mad that someone came and killed the greenskins attacking then left

>>144136346

Pausing is one of the most basic tools you can use. You're literally making things more difficult for yourself no reason if you don't pause.

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>norscan armies with nothing but marauder horsemen and chaos hounds

Also, how do you get Archaon to spawn as Chaos? It says to kill 10 sets of captives, I got no idea what that means because I've been killing the captives of every army I face and he still isn't available.

>playing chaos again
>trying to grow quickly and get a second army fast so that kholek can run around sacking and awakening while Archaon's horde gets high level buildings
>it's like turn 40 or something
>spend another 50 turns trying to kill off annoying retards like Varg and Krakka Drak before I finally get Sigvald

At least I can get Chosen I guess? But fucking hell why does this take so long, normal chaos has the hordes come by turn 50. By the time I've got two armies in the field fucking Varg has like five and it takes forever to hunt him down and fuck his shit up, and then the fucking empire and whatnot have a bunch of guys coming up to Norsca to harass me. I keep having to move Archaon while I'm trying to get my horde to grow so I can finally get that chaos giant building because every time I fuck up one of Varg's armies he immediately begins running around the other side of the mountains away from Sigvald's army towards Archaon's much weaker army like a fucking bitch.

>have percentage for gatehouse damage
>get it to 100%
>nothing changes

Whats the fucking point then

>>144142202
>>144142079
see
>>144142247
There are ghouls amongst you who don't want this game to be fixed

>>144142371
you can sacrifice them for cash or kill them for leadership, make sure you're picking the former

>>144142369

Yeah god forbid you challenge yourself

>whoa bro why dont you use cheat mods, you're literally making it harder for yourself

>>144142402
>can't see obvious fucking bait

>>144142284
No Chaos got fucked in the ass with a much more expensive unit. Chaos did not come close to winning.

>>144142079
Oh. Well yeah, a demigryph is gonna just maim the everliving shit out of the halberdier, it's a double-sized tiger on steroids. They're intelligent too, way more than a horse. A horse charges, a demigryph parries and swats your ass to the floor before pulling your guts out through your bellybutton. That's why they're in a category separate from other cav: monstrous cavalry (or whatever it actually is in game)

>>144141418
well there are a few tricks I've picked up with chaos that can add a little bit of technique to speed things up.

>army states

you can use 75% of your normal movement every turn and still recuperate losses. there isn't a reason to stay still, really.

you can actually go into force-march after razing a settlement. marching gives you a great boost in mobility, and if your army's relatively big people aren't going to attack you, even on higher difficulties.

What I personally do at the start of the chaos campaign is awaken the baersonlings, and move south, rarely looking back. the start is rough because Kislev will make use of their forts to take defensive postures. The Red Eye Orcs and the dwarves they're fighting south of the chaos wastes, not the Kraka Drak, are actually prime looting locations for a fast start.

It really doesn't hurt chaos to forego diplomacy. I've been at war with fucking everybody, and even attacked my allies to get to a fort I wanted. Very rarely does anyone do anything about your bullying.

It's a good idea to try and maintain a single strong army for a portion of the game, and don't be afraid to merge units and recruit more while you're recuperating on your 75% movement turns. The reason being isn't really the debt, but that way you can get away with a lot more bullshit that involves bullying all of the factions.

Don't feel obligated to pick fights with everyone though. You can just as easily run through countless factions on your quest to eliminate the dwarves, or Bretonnia.

The most important for last, is that you should always get horde-growth on your main commander as soon as possible. It let's you rush the chaos warshrine and field some chosen, who have little problem mopping up other human factions especially early on. A lot of people complain about Chaos being too slow, or taking forever, yet I really haven't felt that, finishing my legendary in around 120 turns, and easy in 34.

>>144142079

>Have Demigryphs.
>Send them against legion of spear peasants from the Bretts with a single point of rank in them.
>They all die. Horribly.
>Peasants all together, GOT MIT UNS.

>>144139793
Chaos is a pain in the dick but also the most fun

>>144139615
Rifle lines fuck them up good.

Guys, is the bottom row on Mannfreds skill tree worth skilling?

>>144142556

>downloading a cheat mod
>equivalent to using a tool provided for you in-game

wow bro

I bet you're one of those people who downloaded the 10% movement increase and anti-agent spam mods.

>>144133384
so how does this work practically with unity collision the way it is

archers block boyz, boyz cant pull back through black orks

collision too stronk. then you get flanked

>>144142669
After razing a settlement I cant even use forced march anywhere, what gives

>>144142746
>10% movement increase in borders
Literally nothing wrong with this

are demigryph cav or 'monstrous' cav?

>>144142396

if you actually fight the battle yourself you'll see lots of holes in the wall

Why does autoresolve fuck single units over so hard?
>randomly lost my level 26 exalted hero and shaggoth against a random breton town

>gee lets try Kholeks quest battle without doing the campaign
>heres some marauders, now go fight 2500 enemies, featuring top tier VC units


>>144142905
I'm talking about in game bruv

>>144142860

I fucking knew it.

Don't talk shit if you've actually downloaded a buff mod.

If you're not the same guy, I apologize to him.

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>>144142860
>Literally nothing wrong with this

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>>144142220
I can guarantee it goes even worst than Brittonia Halberds for the other races so that's a waste of time.

>>144142669
>easy in 34

Fucking how? Did you literally just rush down to the empire and rape them to death with your starting stack plus more units? It takes dozens of turns to get the kind of growth needed to field a second army and get decent units.

>>144142993

You need to actually hit it with something, the wall is damaged to the point where it just needs one hit

>>144142994
I'm not him, but there's literally nothing wrong with that mod

>people chasing around stacks
>not just setting ambushes

for what reason

>Build a ram
>drop it immediately
>my greatswords chop the door down three times as fast

What's even the fucking point of the ram

>>144142556

The game provides the pause option though. Even legendary has it. You can't orders while paused on legendary, but since you unpause and give and order before repausing almost instantly, it's pretty arbitrary.

>>144143119
Bro, I'm talking about the literal gatehouse, it has its own health, and when you get it to 100% damage, nothing happens

>been playing warhams for like 6 hours, not counting the last hour and a half/2 hours when I've been walking the dog, showering and shitposting
>Stellaris Update Ready! has been in Steam the entire time, but I have no idea what they've fucking updated there because I haven't been in /4xg/ for the past few days

>>144142873
Shock Cavalry

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>>144143276

Hexwraiths aren't that bad, just not worth their price.

>>144143247
>just knock down the gate with my varghulf
>i have so many flying units that the enemy is already somewhat fucked by this point
>skellingtons pour in
Yet I still have to build rams.

>>144143136

It's literally cheating.

You aren't using a tool the game provided you. You're literally modifying the files to make things easier.

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>>144143118
Pretty much. Sigvalds starting cannon made taking castles with walls trivial. Short campaign on easy, though, since taking out dwarves is a pain in the ass.

My legendary run was a long victory though.

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>>144143247

>cheesing the pause function when they try to limit it

Despicable, you clearly werent ready for Legendary

>>144143319
Get on my level

>>144143186
The problem is when you're down fighting Karak Azul and suddenly Thorgrim comes down from his mountains menacing Black Crag's province and you have to leg it back up there and by the time you get there Thorgrim sacked that one town near Black Crag and has already retreated back north

>>144143186

Because they're running in the other direction and ambush requires 50% movement to change in to.

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>next historical total war is Ancient China
>ultra unit size puts basic infantry at 400 men

Don't tell me it's historically inaccurate, it needs to ahppen

>>144143408
Hexwraiths are bad because they're way overpriced.

If they were like 1150 or something they wouldn't be bad, but they are currently definitely bad

Is it just me or are the late game ranged options for Dwarfs really shitty? Gyrocopters do fuck all, drakes have shit range and don't do much damage, and the fire thrower isn't very useful either.

The Infantry like Hammerers and Ironbreakers are great, but it seems like just those and Quarrelers is all you need.

>>144143459
I can't

>>144143554
But Anon, as VC, unit cost is only an issue in MP.
And only filthy scrubs play MP.

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karl got big

>>144143395
What are you even trying to say

>>144143412
And?

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>>144142860
are you sure

>>144143730

one hit does it for me

>play Empire
>Greenskins obliterate Dwarfs

>play Chaos
>Dwarfs control the entire bottom half of the map

jesus

>>144143467
Ambush can be used sometimes to lure them back in almost like Metal Gear Solid
> What was that noise?!
> Huh...must've been nothing

>>144143715
There's some bug where lords on the map appear either super huge or super tiny, both look pretty funny when it happens to Kholek

>>144143459

>game provides option
>use it

I don't like legendary as a whole though. The battles are fine once I get elite units, but I can't be bothered with the arbitrary strategic bullshit like public order.

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>Shogun II AI
WHY CAN YOU SHIT OUT A FULL STACK IN A SINGLE TURN
WHAT THE FUCK

>>144143687
You know honestly they're shit anyway. They have 75% damage reduction but they have 75% reduced health, so that's the most counter-intuitive retarded shit that they could have possibly done.

They die so, so easy even to things that they should be good against like swords. You might as well use BK's with Lances. They at least do their job, even though they aren't exactly the best.

>>144143835
I've literally never seen the dorfs survive on any of my 7 campaigns

>>144140776
This is true, another issue was that a lot of fantasy players were older and more used to making their own models and conversions. Also you could pretty much use a ton of different companies minis as well. Empire and Brettonia especially. Where 40k has a lot of younger players who just buy stock armies and would never think to buy other models and just slap some Lasguns on them. I play both myself, for example I run an air mobile imperial guard army almost all my troops are Eisenkern storm troopers, can't remember who makes them but they fit in fine with 40k. I have them and a regular guard army with that 3/4ths of my units are my own mold cast. I melt the GW sprues for my plastic.

Does vamp corruption not spread in destroyed settlements? I know this might be a dumb question but I'm taking suh huuuuuge caualties as vmpires moving through chaos territory