/twg/ - Total War General

first for GoT Total War pls

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Ahhh /twg/… the eternal general

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PROPER SPEARWALLS WHEN FUCK YOU CA FOR REMOVING IT REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>tfw most here wouldn't even remember the hot camel dick days

>>144044119
Why is the sun even there?
It stand literally no chance

posted this in last thread but it dead.
been reading in a few places that shields only block ranged damage and don't affect melee, is this actually true? is there proof of this somewhere lads?

>>144044348
The game has spear wall, in fact nearly all the spear units do it to counter charges

>>144044302
Kazuk-ha Kazukin! Ha!

>>144044348
I was really confused when I saw that all of my empire units had no special maneuvers like shield/spear walls etc

Like why

>>144044302

I'm tempted to download the mod that buffs slayers, god they are terrible.

>>144044373
I will always remember the hot camel dick.

>>144044382
melee defense is affected by armor.

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So is this game really worth it? I've been in Munich for the past year and just got back and have no idea of its worth the money or not

>>144044382
http://totalwarwarhammer.gamepedia.com/Spearmen_%28Shields%29
> Shielded: Shields have a chance of blocking arrows, bolts, rifle shots and similar small arms fire - but only in a forward facing arc.

Any reason at all to get Master Necromancers over Vampire Lords?

>>144044382
The "perk" Shielded only affects ranged.

Units with shields typically have more armour though, which does affect melee.

>when you inherit a general who is terribly spec'd

;_;

>>144044541
it's worth it but the potential is even bigger. If this game gets a couple of more races and a bigger map it's going to be amazing.

Oh and nerfed fucking agents.

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>>144044147
>All that deformed english really rings a bell.
That's how commoners speak around here, mate.

>>144044485
Its all automated now, assuming you put them into position correctly.

>>144044541
Its the best TW game ever

>>144044647
>get general through confederation
>specced in utility tree out the ass

I now understand why the AI basically needs to cheat on higher difficulties. Their own retardation is shooting them in their own legs

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>>144044485
Streamlining.

Can you teleport back from quest battles?

Mannfred has a quest battle at the very bottom of the map and I can't see how you ever fucking do it without dying of attrition on the way back

can we all agree underways are a fucking stupid mechanic?

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>tfw you're now the annoyingly fast horde leading armies around on a merry chase

He who battles AI should look to it that he himself does not become the AI... when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss also gazes into you.


Really though, isn't anyone going to remove forced march? It's been a stupid or broken feature in every game its been in and the AI plays much better without it.

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>>144044686
probably also the most accessible to get into

>>144044875

you automagically get sent back

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Why are custom battles so fun? Don't let the trolls' health bars fool you, they all routed save for one unit that got lucky killing one of the necromancers

>>144044541
This
>>144044651

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> Tomb Kings still not announced

>>144045009
This rattles my bones

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>can't assassinate anyone in campaigns where I want to
>but I succeed when I go after Karl just for the sake of it
Oh for christ's sake

>>144044915
They make sense in that it lets dwarfs and goblins be really hard to attack (mountains being slow as fuck)

But it makes no sense because the only people who want to attack them are the other faction who uses underways and chaos who has nothing to protect

>>144045009
...but anon that's not
Lizardmen & Skaven

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>>144045009

>>144044119
I wonder what a Total War: Westeros would look like. ASOIAF isn't exactly balanced in any way.

Is spell kill detected broken? I straight up wiped out a whole unit with magic but my leader ended the battle with two kills

I was vamps so I know nobody ranged got them
>>144045224
I don't think it'd really work, total war doesn't have the capacity for all the political maneuvering

>skaeling control half of Norsca
>2nd most powerful faction in the world

Norsca nerf when, they're legit more powerful than Archaon?

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You're at the club with your GF when this man comes up to you and tells you to SUMMON THE ELECTOR COUNTS
what do?

>>144045406
Let him fuck my GF in exchange for him letting me get ridden by Deathclaw.

>>144045406
You summon the old Bretonnia.

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THE EVERCHOSEN SHALL CRUSH THE INSOLENT NORSCAN TRIBES, AND THEN THE WORLD

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE
LET THE WORLD BURN

>>144045587

>using marauders
>ever

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"THIS WILL BE THEN OF KARL FRANZ'S CAMPAIGN" SAYS INCREASINGLY NERVOUS 'MAN' FOR SEVENTH TIME.

>>144045587
Skaeling getting chaos dogs is kinda horseshit, they're just tribesmen

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I made this for you

Any good lets plays yet?

Im away from my computer but I need my fix.

>>144044651
>>144044990
>>144044686

well fuck it I just got TW:W for the potential of it all. Hope it's worth the money lads

>>144045201

Literally who?

>>144045661
>then
THE END*

What the fuck

>>144045656
>talking shit about marauders

>>144045752
There's loads up but you have to pick between total new players and memeing cheeselords

>>144045656
I'm not that far into the campaign yet I haven't gotten around to replacing them all

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06643umEJZg

How does /twg/ spec Franz?
It's an unavoidable upgrade chain for mounts from warhorse to Deathclaw?
What upgrades from the non-combat chain are must haves?

I am not a clever man.

>>144045682
>wanting them to have even more axe throwers
nigga

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>>144045710

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>Slowly rolling over what's left of the Brettons
>They keep shitting out level 20+ heroes to assault my armies

FUCKING AI STOP CHEATING
REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>144044541

Its good, it will be great

>>144045406
Tell him that this action lacks my consent ;_;

>>144044651
Bigger map as vamps is gonna be agony, as is it's impossible to spread corruption through anything other than adjacency

>>144045925
I use that mod that disables Agents and Heroes from taking hostile actions.

Still doesn't help their +20 to corruption ambient bonus bullshit though.

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>>144045710
I like it a lot.

>>144044559
well thanks anon, I guess what used to be what shields do is now just the defence stat

>>144045406
"Sigmar forbids this"

>>144044541
It's good

Best feature is having factions that are genuinely different to play

Downside is that this means you actually have less campaigns so you might get bored after like 100 hours until dlc comes

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post yfw CA somehow shits the bed and makes the game worse than rome 2 on release with one dlc/patch

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>>144046029
THEY CAN'T REVERSE MY CORRUPTION WHEN ALL OF THEIR SETTLEMENTS ARE RAZED

>>144046164
Hey 100 hours is still pretty hefty I cant complain about that

>>144045857
New players are fine tbqh they can be cute.

>>144045406
Would you let Karl Franz, Emperor, Prince of Altdorf, Heir of Sigmar, literally the greatest statesman the empire has ever seen slap your GF's ass at the club?
Would he even be at a club? Would he be ashamed of you for being at a club when you could be preparing to save the Empire?

how are irondrakes (non torpedo) so incredibly shit
i'm shocked

>>144046343
>Would you let Karl Franz, Emperor, Prince of Altdorf, Heir of Sigmar, literally the greatest statesman the empire has ever seen slap your GF's ass at the club?
No.
I'd consider Magnus though.

>>144045009
NAGASH WAS WEAK

So how are you guys building Mannfred?
I've gotten the +10% movement thing, The Hunger, and unlocked every Death spell. Not going to upgrade any spell, since cooldown isn't an issue. Also the Tome of Vampires seems like it's sort of shit, so I just haven't bothered.

Should I go grab more spells, build stats, go battle skills, or campaign skills? What's really good?

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Where the fuck is my army painter?

>>144046409
Because they are good vs weak unarmored enemies and 99% of the units are armored.

hmm, no way to tell if a unit is bracing its polearm in this right? , no animation changes and I didn't see a bracing icon/text anywhere

Are volley guns and organ guns the worst artillery in the game? y/y?

I'm retarded: How do I remove my runesmith from the army stack I joined him to?

>>144046343
With my permission he could take the Reikland runefang to her.

>>144046604
Imperial Katyushas are worse.

>>144046598
There is an animation change, it happens before an enemy charge hits

All you have to do to brace a unit is have it hold still and facing the enemy

>>144046604
No and no. The Hellcannon and Organ guns are made for different things, you're using them wrong.

>>144046604
Feels like so many units are totally worthless.

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GIVE ME A VAMPIRE GF RIGHT FUCKING NOW
NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWW

Please tell me how to Warriors of Chaos. I just wanted to raze Norsca and be on my way, but the two Norscan tribes were shitting out three full stacks, and I can't even have two stacks in the same province without in-fighting.

>>144046751
tfw only girls are vampires, banshees and damsels

>>144046816
it's ok anon daemonettes and elves soon

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>>144046751
>Spiderveins on the tits

>>144046784
Get the mod that removes inbred idiot infighting.

So, if I've never played a table top before, is Age of Sigmar worth picking up and diving into?
Or should I just stick with Total War?

>>144046696
Explain how I'm "using wrong" extremely expensive artillery with less DPS than fucking handgunners.

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>Finished a Chaos campaign
Feels like I accomplished nothing

>>144046604

Git gud

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>>144046949
>Age of Sigmar

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Anyone got the asshurt chaos dwarf image?

>>144046949
Honestly it's not worth it. I dunno what kind of wargames you'd be interested in.

I'm gonna get blasted for saying this but Warmachine/hordes is fun and a new edition is coming out in a few weeks. Go to a gaming store and see if anyone is hosting demos for it.

>>144046949
DON'T LOOK AVERT YOUR EYES
stick to Total War and forget that anything after 8th edition ever existed - TW:W is the last hoorah for a once great hobby

>>144046893
>he doesn't like veiny tits
would suck the unlife out of that bitch desu senpai

>>144044119
>never played Total war anything before
>don't like RTS
>give it a try anyway because some anons here recc it
>accidentally play for 9 hrs straight

fucking hell, got sucked right in, every time I'd feel hungry and want to eat something I'd forget like 2 seconds later and focus on the game again thinking of strategies to expand while keeping money and happiness up

I gotta eat, real fun game though

>>144045752
THFE Productions does some good battles, I think he started a campaign lets play but i havent watched it.

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>>144046751

>>144047345

What faction

>>144047381
m-muh dick

Does anyone else find Vampire Counts extremely boring to play?

>>144046949
The only good thing about Age of Sigmar are the starter boxes. Most of them are really good and cheap.

You could play 8th edition or the fanmade age of ninth. We still play 8th.
Age of Sigmar is ok for 1-2 games. But it get boring really fast.

>>144046712
yeah I get you there anon, all these fancy monsters which ''die to spears'' basically

>>144045861
Map move speed, all other points go to combat stats

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>>144046949
For the love of god don't play Age of shitmar. Find a hobby group that sticks to pre 8th edition and you'll be surprised how fun it can be.

>>144047417
dwarves cause this is my first time playing an RTS and it was listed as easy, if I'm actually able to beat this campaign I'll probably do vampires next

>>144046949
Age of Sigmar is an awful game

I'm not a bitter owner/player of fantasy but the rules of AoS are atrocious

It's only really worth even looking at if you're exclusively interested in modeling

>>144045752

THFE Productions

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Come the fuck on, these guys only control half of Norsca but can afford 6 full stacks

>>144046580
i had them blasting three groups of zombies for about 2 minutes with no opposition
total killcount 60 for all of them, with my miners doing triple that

>>144047551
not even then because its models are atrocious imo. Worse than PP's

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Really, really, wanted to like Dwarves but their so god awful boring since all their interesting stuff is useless.

New to TW games. Do they tend to start releasing balance patches eventually?

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>>144045861
>>144046564
FELLOW UNDERSTANDERS OF STRATEGY
HOW DO YOU SPEC YOUR LL'S?

>greenskin rebels appear
>this should be easy
>charge my level 4 lord into their level 4 lord and they 1v1
>their level 1 lord solo's my level 4 lord and he flees

how the fuck does this work?

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>>144047662
>>144047683

THIS IS WHAT I NEED TO KNOW

>>144047551
>>144047529
>>144047127
>>144047473
>>144047093
So, 8th edition or pre-8th edition? what's the difference? Keep in mind I've never touched a tabletop or wargame before, so I have no idea what I'm getting myself into.

what are the best weapons the dwarves have to take out VC armies?

>>144047613
>not even then because its models are atrocious imo. Worse than PP's
I think some of the chaos warriors stuff looks alright but I don't like the real extreme fantasy focus

The aesthetics I liked from Fantasy (bretonnia, dogs of war and tomb kings) have totally been abandoned.

The one thing GW has going for them for me is that their models aren't as crappy to assemble as PPs

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>>144047536

>Dwarves

Maybe stop being a bitch and play a real faction

>>144047620
yes they do, soontm

>>144047913
Ironbreakers for meta
Irondrakes for funsies

>>144047897
Since you replied to me (The warmachine/hordes advocate), i'd say if you wanna play warhammer fantasy, the best thing you can do is go to your gaming stores nearby and see if anyone is playing warhammer fantasy in any rendition first.

That'll probably be the edition you'd be looking into.

>>144047931
I play legion. About half their models are JUST quality in assembling. Fuck Angelius.

>>144047467
Nah, I like the idea of a slower expansion

Problem is that whilst you're not raiding the lands of men you can't really fuck with the dwarfs because of attrition and them having a massive early to midgame advantage in battles

>>144047574
They're probably mostly Marauders which are actually crazy cheap

>>144046564
Basic tome of vampires spells are pretty good but death is better on him, just get a necromancer to go lore of vampires for him.

I go movement, the hunger, all the lore of death spells up to the one before purple sun then everything on combat.

>>144047574

Crappy stacks full of maruaders, Norscans don't have access to the full Chaos roster

>>144047897
Find a gameshop nearby and try it out. 8th edition.
You can always ask in a store to do testgames.

>>144047683
fuck typo

charge my level 4 lord into their level 1 lord*

he lost in like 5 second despite being full combat.

>>144047467
Nope, I'm on my 3rd VC campaign.
1st one I got owned by Chaos & Greenskins.
2nd one I owned them with a coalition of Empire & Dwarves.
3rd one I'm creeping corruption into the empire atm and deciding who to ally with.

Do you just prefer the hyper aggressive factions that destroy the world in 200 turns?

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>>144047957
This needs a GOBBOS edit.

>gee lets see what the end of the red line is for empire
>+10% charge to tanks and demigryphs and 15% ward save for both

Kek

>>144047957
Why did he steal that manlet jew's broom?

>>144048354
He's fast

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>>144046607
>How do I remove my runesmith from the army stack I joined him to?

>>144047897
Basically anyone who isn't doing shitmar will be playing the 8th edition rule book with the latest edition Army Book for their races whether that be 6th edition Wood Elves or 8th edition Lizardmen etc.

>>144048273
Not them but I like the pace of dwarfs

An evil aligned dwarfs style would be great (so fighting the empire is a victory condition but you can't occupy them and so the units are more fun)

>>144044916
How are you playing with that lord? does it happen later in the campaign or something?

>>144048395
left click his picture then move him as you would the army, if you've done it right his picture should come up bottom left rather than your lord.

>>144048395
click on army
click on his portrait
right click on the map

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>>144048406
WHFB is dead around here, it's Sigmar or nothing (mostly nothing as Sigmar isn't too popular)

>Brettonia got transformed in to vampire worshiping ghouls in Age of Sigmar
THE FINAL INSULT

>>144047662

Map movement, everything else in troop enhancements.

6 units having +10 attack are better than your one unit having +9 attack

Also aura increase, a unit that fights longer is a unit that deals more damage

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I would really love an AI mod that made the ai actually do sieges instead of always waiting out my cities, I really enjoy the siege battles but they are so damn rare.

>>144048406
Wood elves got an updated book.

>>144047897
Firstly check out https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Category:Warhammer/Tactics

read about the races and the playstyle.

2nd: get the army book: https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ!kF4GASgC

3rd: watch some battlereports.

So, as someone new to the WH universe is it safe to say that the tabletop isn't worth playing?

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How would YOU handle this situation?

>>144048778
Some factions have really shitty troop enhancements.
Vampire counts don't really have anything relevant other than increased aura size and situational bonuses.

>>144048885
Yes

>>144048917
it ain't gonna suck itself

>>144048885
Yes. Without a doubt.

>>144048917
unzips dick

>this post chaos slog as the empire having to clean up norscans and orcs

Really wish I could go full Trump and just build a wall at those southern passages

>>144048917
So you want something to suck?

>>144048885
From someone who bought an $1100 army 6 months before Age of Sigmar.....yes it's not worth it.

>>144048885
The tabletop is DEAD.

Games Workshop killed warhammer fantasy, there's nothing left, the end.
They made some new game wearing it's skin to try and draw in old fans but if you're looking for warhammer fantasy I'm afraid it's too late.

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>unavoidable night battles in a deep forest

>>144048778
>6 units having +10 attack are better than your one unit having +9 attack
Gobbos benefit way more from grimgor being a beast than from their shit infantry being marginally better

>>144048305
>gonna stab em!

>>144049003
lore-wise i believe gelt becomes trump and summons a "wall of faith" to keep chaos out

>>144049126
>>144049057
>>144048964
Well shit. At least you guys saved me some money.

Damn shame too-- I'm going into the Airforce soon and I heard there's a lot of tabletop nerds that are enlisted. Not really sure what other tabletop to begin with now.

>>144049162
Speaking of Gelt I'm surprised they made him so bland, seeing as he was doing a bunch of fun stuff with necromancy

>>144048846
Thanks for that link bro

>>144047957
>stop being a bitch
but I'm a girl anon

Advice for fighting chaos as the empire?
I'm playing on very hard, and there's 6-8 stacks of the various chaos factions running around nordland and middenland constantly raiding.

>>144049368
stop being a bitch m'lady

SOME ONE POST ROLL

>>144049368
Girls don't play this game.

>>144049409
thank you angry virgin :^) tehee

>>144049342
Best to see what everyone else plays

probably 40k

>>144045406
No Emperor, No.

>>144049493
*looks up from under fedora*
Well, gee... Haha I'm glad you're playing Warhammer 'tis a rare thing to see! Let's play a multiplayer campaign, if anything I'll be the one playing Empire! hehe!

>>144049162
>>144049003
Yeah and just like trump it ends up ruining his own country

Are pistoleers/outriders worth using?

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>>144047529
this might be a commonly asked question but why does everyone shit on age of sigmar? im clueless about the tabletop game or warhammer lore in general, i just play the videogames because they're pretty fun

>>144049368
We all are. Now stop being a bitch.

>>144049832
Yes, you can pull an entire flank off of your opponents main army and never get dragged into melee for it

>>144049737
a supreme gentleman, truly

>>144047009
At least you "just" finish chaos campaign.
Just wait 'till you played it on legendary.

>>144049874
They tried to turn Warhammer Fantasy into Warhammer Skirmish with totally not space marines. Plus the End Times story was fucking retarded.

>>144049832
I think outriders are really good, quickly running behind the enemy and shooting them in the back makes them panic.

Pistoleets are shitty outriders, take that as you will.

>>144049792
epic bro simply epic

>>144045587
I'M DOING IT

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>>144050187
I'M FORGETTING THE IMAGE

THE GODS DEMAND BLOOD, THEY SHALL HAVE IT IN PLENTY

>>144049420
>>144049420
>>144049420
>>144049420
>>144049420
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>144045682
>>144045587
So hold on a sec, are the norse tribes even crazy with Chaos considering they don't have much after tribesmen?

Are there any actual normal norsemen who are maybe just a little bit corrupted, but still rational?

>wreck the vargs/skaelings
>peace out
>now use the empire as a highway to bretonnia

kek, perfidious imperius strikes again

>>144050382
ROLL

wow

dwarf melee vs. archers you literally have to sit their whilst they use up all their ammo on you.

if they have skirmish on you can never actually catch them.

shouldn't they have some kind of charge speed bonus like on TT to stop this kind of bullshit?

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>>144049737

>>144050506
just use gyrocopters bro :)

>>144050363
doing the dark gods work anon.
normally I'd dissaprove of the old corner waller but against 4+ stacks any cheese to win. especially since losing an upgraded chaos horde stacks buildings sucks royal dick

>>144050506
Dwarf Quarrelers shit on the other factions though

>>144050442
>Are there any actual normal norsemen who are maybe just a little bit corrupted, but still rational?
Yeah most tribes are like vikings but not crazy chaos vikings.

That usually only happens when a chaos chosen comes around and leads them

>>144050506
Radious will solve that problem with dwarf cavalry.

>>144050787
So why don't they ever tell them to fuck off?

>>144050506
Just back off and make them run into range of your superior archers

And no the no mobility army should not have a counter for mobility, you already have miners as a semi-counter

>>144050506

use your own ranged units and artillery to shit on theirs.

>>144049874
They took warhammer fantasy battles, a twenty something year old setting that a very fun game with lots of models that people bought for it, and destroyed it.
Finished, gone, twenty years they built on warhammer fantasy and in the space of a few months it was destroyed.

Now they brought out "the sequel" to warhammer fantasy, a shallow imitator des dictating it's corpse and it's name is Age of Sigmar.
People don't hate it because it's bad (that's a matter of taste), people hate it because it killed fantasy.

>>144050985
I think it's more than just killing it

I mean I'm sad that the models are worse, sad that the lore is worse and sad that the game is worse

None of that's actually down to me being upset over the death of fantasy, those are all just flaws with the new game

12 empr
23 dwarf
45 orcs
67 vc
89 chaos

Need advice for Greenskins on very hard
If I confederate with red spears or whatever dwarfs don't let go of my ass ever and I end up getting attacked from at least three sides
If I spread into Badlands dwarfs unite and fuck me with two full armies
Also orcs seem to have shit leadership which is a pain in the ass when AI gets bonus morale

>>144051309
1-3 arc
4-6 kholek
7-9 magnificent

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>>144050927
"Though they may seem barely civil in times of peace, the Norse, Kurgan and Hung are vicious races of bloodthirsty warriors. Used to battling amongst themselves - war is their natural state and they wage it without concern or prejudice. They rejoice in battle and strength at arms, and honour the brave of both sides while despising the cowards likewise. Yet they are willing to forget their differences when the Gods command them to fight on their behalf. For there is no greater joy than to fight and die in the armies of the immortals."

For them, the chaos gods are not evil. they just are. to morally judge them would be the epitome of arrogance, so when a hardcore chaos champ appears to lead them, they jump at the opportunity. (they are also a warrior culture, so they're very warlike.)

>tfw cant make mannfred an elector count

I've had Mannfred as an ally to the Empire for 100 turns now and they singlehandedly held off the Orcs

But their corruption has gone too far, and the oppressed halflings must be freed

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I was sad that Skullcrushers weren't in the DLC

>>144051335
it might be worth it to just kill the dwarves as soon as you can.

How do I properly deploy a dwarven turtle/guard stance army?

>>144051430

>>144049874
Like >>144050029 said its really bad.
If you want to see how bad just go to 1d4chan they've got all the explanations.

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>>144050363
I have reformed my line of battle, having a short respite from the human waves Skaeling is throwing at me.

The battle is not yet over, as the weaklings have brought in even more men to try and topple the Everchosen.

They will not succeed.

>>144048837
I find the AI likes to siege on the final turn before you start suffering attrition. so just wait it out.

its weird, you'd think they'd just attack straight away. or wait until attrition sets in. but I guess they want to build up as much siege weapons as possible while still attacking while you're at full strength so that the AI actually does siege instead of just always starving you out.

>>144050442
To them they aren't "that great evil up north threatening to destroy all civilization," to them they're just the norscan gods. A part of their culture and life, and whatever the gods demand they perform.

Just like the norse in our world were seen as "evil marauding heathens" by christians. But they were just doing things they way they did 'em.

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PROTECT
HIS
SMILE

>>144049832
I only play with the better guns mod but they're good in that for covering your flanks. Even if your pistoleers get chewed up that's better than getting rear charged by a million doggies.

>>144051106

Remember the rules using the classic models, where it said shit like "If you hold a cup and say "for the lady!" you get a reroll!"

Like how fucking insulting is that.

>>144050506
As a dwarf you should have at least 4 artillery pieces.

>>144049832
Y E S

If you can flank and shoot into the back of the enemy it's basically gee gee, right there. Otherwise you can use them as ghetto spearwalls and meme much stronger enemy cavalry to defend your own flanks by kiting. Worst comes to worst they form a good second ranged line because due to their elevation they can fire over your own troops, so you end up with melee-outriders-crossbows.

Grenade launchers are kinda underwhelming though.

I'm going to try a Dwarf playthrough and I'd like to make use of embedded heroes more this time. I won my last Humie campaign on VH without ever really using them in my armies.

Thane - Just use it like a melee lord, no?
Engineer - Ranged and buffs ranged around him, but is their ranged damage actually any good?
Runepriest - Buffs? I don't know what the fuck these actually do in combat

>>144049874
Sigmar's really bad as a game and a setting but the really retarded thing is that they took a big army game in a traditional fantasy setting and replaced it with a skirmish game in a really weak realms of existence setting

So it's like the opposite of what their players did like

And for new players it's not appealing because it's really fucking expensive still, and also really hard to get a fair game of because the actual rules offer no balance

How the fuck am i supposed to get more lords as chaos when they take 20 turns to get a single growth point?

shouldn't a lot of the orc/chaos units have some kind of impetuous trait?

>>144051896
Rune's are like mages

Dwarfs are probably the army that least needs heroes though so try em all out, you won't struggle because of it

>>144051896
runebros are probably the best for dwarves. their buffs are incredible, and are cooldown-based so you don't have to worry about winds of magic.

>>144049832
Outriders only cost 100 more than handgunners but have 50% more damage output and better mobility. Once you get outriders, handgunners are obsolete.

>>144049832
Outriders are better against enemy troops, but Pistoleers are better at skirmish fights because they can fire all around themselves while outriders can only shoot forward.


outriders are better though.

>>144051968
Take growth skills first

tfw none of the chariot units in the game are fun

>>144049832
Pistoliers are absolute shit, they take ages to actually open fire on the enemy and during that time they will get massacred by bowmen.

>>144051889
>grenade launchers
>never hit shit because the enemy troops aren't marching

>province only 15% corruption
>the land is already splitting apart

>>144051968
spend the 4 lord points to get like +8 growth and then research anything growth related

If you don't do it immediately the campaign gets really boring because nothing ever unlocks

>>144052246
People don't know how to use chariots

>>144052295
They can fire and move you dumb nigger. Use them like caracole cavalry because that's what they fucking are and you can rekt shit.

>>144051968
razing settlements scores you 4+ growth for a turn.
sacking doesn't though.

>>144052295
All missile cav are like that.

>>144052246

Chaos Chariots and Black Coach are bretty fun.

Coach because of dem buffs and Chaos Chariot for pure carnage factor.

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lol

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BLOOD AND GORE WHEN???? RRRREEEEEE

Will bretonnians be able to siege with their disgustingly bad infantry if they don't bring 5 trebuchets?

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>>144051586
THE RUINOUS POWERS ARE WITH ME

TREMBLE AT THE EVERCHOSEN'S ASCENSION MORTALS

>>144052295
lol what, they aren't machine gunners. You let them reload and run near enemy cavalry or infantry. As soon as the enemy tries to charge them you pull back. If the enemy does not have faster units you can break up their entire formation since they can't afford getting flanked and have to actively send units in your direction.

Elves are the best

>>144051896
thane - melee lord, very tough, can essentially tank the entire time, I would rush mine out ahead of the line and use him to cause some enemy units to blob up so i could fire into it with my artillery.

Engineer - buffs gunners and artillery, OR buffs the army skills (his movement bonus (heavy lifting) on his blue campaign skills line is amazing) or both is done right. his gun doesn't do much but considering that you'd rather have him near your artillery when he gets his artillery buffing skills then having the ranged attack isn't so bad.

Runepriest - A buffomancer that doesn't have to rely on winds of magic. As op as it sounds and the buffs are pretty good too. Also good in melee so don't be afraid to send them in.

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>tfw your greenskin Waagh turns against you despite being your faction with your banner and your everything.
>Can suggest it a target, but it attacked me.
>Guess my game is broken right after I destroyed the last of Chaos.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQCIqnmibhg
>When some fuck goes to war at your rear side

>>144052295
They bully cavalry pretty hard because most can't catch up
My marauder horsemen couldn't do shit against them but again they are fucking awful from what I understood

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All this game does is make me wish for a single Bofors gun for my lines.

Just fucking one...

>>144048475

Seconded.

Any good unit packs you use, /twg/?

>>144052754
Marauder horsemen are much better because they can actually hurt things wearing armor.

>>144052678

I saw a greenskin WAAAGH sieging a greenskin held dwarf hold and I couldn't figure out what was going on because I was just marching past.

>>144052547
he lost 51% of his army
you lost 74%

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>mfw for once in my life the 8GB ram is holding me back from enjoying this game to its maximum

>>144052678
Greenskins are the Iron Islanders of Warhammer. Completely fucking retarded and more a danger to themselves than anyone else.

>>144052664

Dark Elves are the best

Is there a mod that gives me the option to reset talents?

OFFICIAL Campaign Faction Difficulties (from easiest to hardest):

Dwarfs
Chaos
VC
Orcs
Empire

>>144053005
tfw i have 3GB ram in the current year

>>144052547
Doggos are too fucking strong

>>144053090
VC are the easiest. Practically play themselves.

>>144053090

>Orcs hardest
>literally free doomstacks

>>144053090
Empire have all the best units in the game and orcs have free armies

how the fuck are they hard?

>>144053046

They shouldn't be fighting me if they are my free doomstacks holy shit.

>>144052678
But it still works lorewise. If they run out of enemies to fight, they'll just fight each other.

>>144052978
I also had 25% of his numbers senpai

I'm ok with this outcome

>>144053279
Weak economy and surrounded by enemies on all sides for the entire campaign.

>>144053279
Not him but you pretty much have to fight off Norsemen and Chaos single-handedly. I know that Chaos hordes come for everyone else, but as the empire you're right in the thick of it

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I usually get like 50 fps all the way zoomed out, with drops to 30 when I watch the fighting

What do you guys play on? Any unnecessary settings I can turn down for better FPS?

>>144053371
well i mean, i'm just saying it's not an efficient outcome. you should strive to better bring about the end of times senpai

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>>144052754

I may just have no idea how to use them, but take my latest battle for example. I got the pistoliers close to the enemy line where they got off one or two volleys, doing absolutely pitiful damage. They were then rekt by a couple volleys from some Bretonnian bowmen. One routed off the field entirely and the other didn't do anything for the rest of the battle besides chasing down some retreating bowmen.

If this was a normal army, those two pistolier spots could be occupied by two units of Based Reiksguard, who do all the heavy lifting in my battles.

>>144052532
i once won a siege game as bretonnians on the table top.

I used my two trebuchets to knock down the gate and then i had a banner that let me move through difficult ground on my knights just so i could get them over the ruined gate fast enough to make it into the courtyard.

Men at arms aren't even terrible, even though they were supported with some unmounted heroes to help win the walls.

but yeah, it was less than ideal.

>>144053279
I think the only difficultuy is how random the surrounding factions can be
>1st playthrough, I was able to establish a confederation with each province, even Marienburg.
>2nd playthrough, I'm at war with Brettonia
>3rd playthrough both dwarfs and Orcs are at war with me but I get help from Marienburg.
What the fuck...

>>144052776
get an organ gun. its pretty much the same thing, except with a solid shot instead of exploding ammunition.

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>>144053005
I upgraded to 16GB for Cities: Skylines.

It's still not enough.

>>144052865
Weird, they don't hurt shit for me
Like, look at this guy's >>144052547 kill count, enemy had no archers or cavalry and they still couldn't kill shit

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No mod for resetting talents in warhammer?

>>144053559
Don't send missile cavalry in range of foot missile troops. They'll be slaughtered every time. Pistoleers are for guarding your flanks, killing slower low-armor cavalry and harassing infantry that isn't supported by missile troops.

>>144053805
They probably got taken out early by doggos.

Anyone with a GTX 1080 want to share their experience with it with TW:W?

Someone refer me reading to get in the mood for playing Dwarves.

>>144053559
For one horse archers definitely shouldn't get into firefights with bowmen, try to flank infantry when they're fighting instead

>>144053805
>>144054069
I had them in skirmish mode keeping the enemy horsemen and dogs away from my infantry

>>144054069
Dogs run at the same speed as marauders

>>144053559
Don't get into pitched fights with ranged units.

You have an entire enemy army to murder. Go where their ranged isn't.

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>tfw autoresolve says you have 90% chance to win, but when you manual battle you get completely slaughtered

Guys how do I play empire on hard mode?

I keep getting fucked by everyone when the secessionists defensive alliance with meriold.

>goblin spearmen outlast dwarf warrior greataxes on left, dwarf warriors in the front and quarrellers shooting into the right for an entire battle while the rest of my army falls apart

what the fuck
why are goblins better infantry than dwarves

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>>144054509
>tfw autoresolve says you have a 90% chance to win
>Play the battle anyways
>You lose nearly all units but still win

>>144054568
That's some exceptional goblins, mine run as soon as a dozen of them gets killed

Which faction gets dragons?

>>144054552

NAP with as many people as possible quickly
Kill secessionists quickly
Wait for Marienburgs army to leave their city and strike
Turtle up and wait for demigryphs, then go rape

>>144054710
vampire counts get undead ones

>>144054710
dragons are shit

but chaos gets dragon ogres

but really, chaos and vamps get chaos/zombie dragons, and orcs get wyverns

>>144054568
I'm suprised by how good gobbos are.

For only 300 teef you get 160 gobbos, each tiny and with a 50% missile block chance. They're fantastic at baiting enemy artillery and archers. I've started making my center out of gobbos, and keep my bigger gits in columns on the flanks. The gobbos last long enough that the orcs can flank, and even when the gobbos run that only disrupts the enemy for me if they chase.

>>144054509
I hate this shit because it feels like I'm cheating

>>144052776
>tfw even a fantasy setting is less interesting than reality

TW modern warfare when?

>>144054783
>>144054792
Are they mounts for heroes, or standalone units?

I'm playing as Kholek, btw.

>>144054946
terrorgeists are pretty much stand-alone undead dragons.

>>144054509
>autoresolve says you have almost no chance to win
>it's right

Why even put garrisons in the game if they're going to be this shit and we don't even get favorable defensive terrain?

>>144053559
Ranged cavalry will never win an engagement with foot archers.

don't race your pistoliers in. Use them to defend your flanks. Before your main lines clash they should be skirmishing against enemy cavalry or if you're a bit more pro active trying to lure some enemy units away from their main line.

If you do have an issolated bowman unit, then what you want to do with pistoliers is to run circles around them, they won't be able to fire unles they can turn their front to you, while you can fire on the move and in any direction.

But ideally you'd save your pistoliers for after the armies engage and then send them in around the flank to shoot people from behind or to pursue fleeing enemy forces to ensure they don't return to the battlefield.

>>144054853
battle difficulty gets fucked up if you try to play on anything but normal difficulty
your units tire out over dumb shit, random enemy chaffe units suddenly start beating hammerers 1v1, just dumb shit

>2010+6
>still can't choose where an army will retreat to

>>144055014
I feel you.

In Heroes you could buy units to stay and guard your castle. I wish that was a thing in Total War.

>>144054552
the first few turns in a total war hard/very hard campaign are always the most important.

Don't recruit troops first, you need to crush the small secessionist army first thing with your starting forces. if you do that then you can retreat back into your own land to recruit forces.

Doing this you should be able to take out one of their settlements turn 2. but you need to win that first battle decisively.

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>turn 5
>2 other empire factions plus the fucking dwarves for some reason declare war on me
>marienburg is 3 turns from Altdorf and has the 5th largest army in the world

Why is this allowed?

>>144055116
> army routes
> everyone runs for their lives in a panick
> g-guys d-don't forget to go East!
> S-so I'll meet you guys over ridge t-then? K.

>>144055373
>retreating
>routing

>>144055373
organized withdrawals are a thing anon

if it was like your post there would be no army left after the retreat at all

Who do I play? No filthy marienburgers allowed

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>>144044686
>Its all automated now, assuming you put them into position correctly.

No, they just stand around and a few of them point their spears forward.

Ability spear wall is a tight defensive formation that is no longer in the game.

>>144055373
>general orders a retreat
>soldiers leave the battlefield
>suddenly everyone runs off in every fucking direction for no reason
>general loses faith in Sigmar

>>144055524
>retreating
True. They should probably add some commander skills for this in both retreating and routing.

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>>144055582
FUCK

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>>144055582
Nuln.

>>144050029

fucking end times story really fucking pissed me off holy shit was it bad

>>144055585
yeomen are better in melee than boarboyz

>>144055897
Boar boys are shock cavalry

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>orks have no looted vehicles or contraptions of any kind in this game
just kill me now

>>144055585
Who gives a shit if it functions identically? It's better this way.

>>144056021
They are designated as shock cavalry

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>>144056078
t.shill

>>144056048
How do you expect Orcs to loot vehicles with no mekboyz?

Which Empire wizard is worth using and what skills?

>>144056048
what the fuck. What the fuck would an orc loot? a stage coach?

>>144056254
>le shill meme
t. paradox

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TAKE THAT YA ZOGGING STUNTIE

>>144056275
None of them until magic is fixed

awaken da tribes

>>144056308
>lies about feature
>gets outed
>starts spouting bullshit and crying about paradox

classic shill

>>144055180
It's a thing in total war pre R2.

>>144056269
have the gobbos do it
if they're smart enough to be able to tame wolves and spiders despite the massive difference in size, then they should be smart enough to orkify something like a siege tank
>>144056284
a gyrocopter, a cannon, siege tank, etc
there are a few choices, though albeit limited

>>144056275
Light is good if you can level them quickly (i.e. late game with college of magic)

fire is better early on.

At least for ultra unit sizes.

Heavens is alright. but doesn't have nearly as good buff spells.

>>144056418
fuck off

>>144056563
No you, one less idiotic statement you post as a fact on here.

I dont even know why you try so hard, the game is already a raging success.

>>144056378
Man pyrrhic victories are fucking satisfying. You spend the entire battle stressing the fuck out and then breathe a sigh of relief when you win.

Anyone in SEA or basically Asia want to play Vermintide with me?

>>144056662
Why do you come here and nitpick on every little detail? You're obviously trying to stir shit.

>>144056723
>talking about specific things from other games and comparing them to this one is nitpicking
calm down there anon

>>144056714
Wrong general?

>>144056723
Why do you come here and tell people lies about the game?

>its automated now

Fuck, I almost believed and had to go try it out in custom battle.

>>144056714
are people still playing vermintide?

>>144056859
rip /vtg/
have a little respect, anon.

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>>144056859
Now that's just cruel

>>144056859
Vermintide general is dead :(

>>144056903
You didn't put them in proper formation.

>>144056859
What are you talking about? This is /t(w)g/ is it not?

>>144056903
Because it's fucking automated.

Your units have an automatic charge resistance bonus that they receive when they're facing a charging enemy, standing still, and in formation.

There is no special secret animation for this, it's just a flat charge defence bonus.