/civ4xg/ - Stellaris, Civilization & 4X Strategy General

Who /Star Carrier/ here?

First for the Collectivist nerf being bullshit.

can pops die from starvation or do they just get grumpy?

>>143577119
Nonesence I am wrapping through enemy territory all the time

>>143577243
How did it get nerfed?

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>>143577215
>star carrier
>not battlestar

you goofed

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>>143577465
Am I doing it right senpai?

>>143577243
>commies butthurt paradox is exposing their shit ideology

>>143577375
Collectivists are now unhappy about being collectivists.

>>143577601
Close, gotta mod in more hangar slots.

>>143577643
gommies btfo

>>143577643
>Collectivists are now unhappy about being collectivists.
??? That makes no sense, what exactly changed gamewise

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>You can just clear radioactive wasteland
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
If I knew this earlier I would've settled this planet as third and not as fifth damnit.

>>143577610
But collectivist covers hive-mind bug aliens and cyborg unities like the Borg as well, not just islamic gommunism

>>143577873
>clearing radio wastelands

Are you a sector governor

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Shall I proceed to impose my religion on the universe?

>>143577873
There is a skeletal in you're planet

>>143577873
Not falling for this bait.

Damn Call To Power was a good game

>>143577873
>being this much of a sector

wait, is that an arid planet with radioactive wasteland?
Not a tomb world?

>>143577989
>Wormhole travel
>Implying hyperlanes don't resemble camel caravans more

And you better be running a mudslime only mod for that. And mod all your females to have burkas.

>>143578091
>Civ still has no water cities/roads

Fucking WHY

>>143576535
Barely any options for diplomacy.
I played it trying to win by making a big galaxy wide alliance.
Turns out it is really fucking hard to get someone to join your alliance when they don't have an AI personality that isn't basically "likes to join alliances".
Meanwhile you can just vassalise their entire empire with 1 button press.
I was hoping to unify multiple alliances into 1 big one, also not possible. If someone already is in an alliance they have a huge negative modifier for joining a different one.
And then finally I found out you can't even win the game in an alliance/federation because the other members don't share your victory condition progress. The victory condition basically telling me to kill my allies to win.

This really just made me want to play Last Federation again.

High Gravity should give +5% Army Damage.
Bleak should give +10% Army Health.
Discuss.

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>>143577984
I can see 4 tiles that dont benefit him unless cleared

>Evasion severely nerfed in Clarke

B...but muh min/maxed torpvette fleets....

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>>143578317
You're mixing up deep sinkholes with radioactive wasteland.

>>143578506
My bad

Okay so they REVERTED the last beta patch which caused all the crashes.
And now you're back to the bug that increases ethics change by extreme levels.

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>Playing hyperlanes only
>Fortifying a chokepoint that boxes in an empire that has -160 relations with me
>I can't put defense stations next to each other

For what purpose

>>143578628
Do it like this:
>>143506330

>>143578341
Nigger
Nigger what
You're at most right about the top right one because adjacency, clearing the others is retarded.

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>>143578628
>Playing hyperlanes only

>>143578628
Gravitational pull would pull them together

>>143578838
It's the only way to have fun as a hyperlane race

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOE-vVuBXKE
>he doesn't play as space dinosaur DJs

>>143578838
>posted while wormholing a warp aspie's homeworld

>>143578958
MY NIGGER

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>>143578197
NeverEver
>Also Eco terrorists/waste created by cities/interesting wonders like OP image
Why was it so perfect

Does Stellaris have cool events?

>>143579143
The first time you play.

Then every game after that the early game is a fucking chore as you cycle through the same anomalies and events you've seen over and over again.

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>>143579143

>>143579143
Absolutely.
They're all broken.

>>143579143
It's a game I think I'd suggest to a lot of people who are interested in scifi.
To maybe play just once.

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Please... help.

>>143579390
honestly I DLed it illegally to try it first, and was just about to buy it until I realized that it will only really be fun the first time

>>143579254
Next thing they do is go full Vigilo Confido on you.

>>143579080
Should mod gamebreaking wonders into Stellaris.

Eden Project, you need to be Fanatic Pacifist for it.
After you build it the 3 planets with the highest energy consumption lose all their pops and buildings and turn into gaia worlds.

>>143579458
JUST

>>143579458
>want to see your system map?
>TOO BAD IT'S ME

Post this on reddit for leupboats

>>143579607
I CAN'T FIX IT!

>>143577243
explain with numbers or this is just lying bullshit

>>143579458
>ring world start
desu you deserve it

so is there 0 reason to colonize any smaller planets with the new patch?

>>143579458
Tis a vision of the most Holy Emperor. Cherish His beauty, citizen.

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>>143578958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x3deqqHVDs

This race is based, though the game is shit I like the idea behind them a lot.

>>143579603
AI Entity could work JUST right with synths revolt
>Muh 3% of revolt cumulative

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>>143579458

>>143580030
Weigh science vs science increase of colonizing the system.

A small planet may have +20% physics, with a good amount of science on nearby planets and moons to make up for it.

But yeah larger planets are better.

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>Hundreds of years ago Othari's attacked me with a massive fleet because I was researching a dangerous tech out of necessity.
>I had just pushed back the Scourge from my territory with the one single fleet I had managed to scrape up from one starbase I had left.
>Othari's destroyed my only fleet, occupied multiple planets and humiliated me
>They opened the way for the Scourge to conquer the territories I worked so hard to reclaim.
>I lost Earth to the Scourge and can't recolonize it
>vowed to avenge Mother Earth and teach them the human concept of spite
>Decided to put everything into eradicating the entire species that is the Othari
>mfw 200 years later, here I am mounting my final assault against the last bastions of this piece of shit species whose insolence cost me the cradle of my civilization.

Enjoy justice, shitheads. Children of Mother Earth have arrived.

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>>143578958
>travel through space
>encounter this
What do you do?

How are you managing your sectors?

I have in my main area of space 2 sectors.
Core Research and Core Mineral.
Close to those I have Core Energy which is just 1 planet of energy plants.

Then I have some temporary unnamed sectors just to not go too far over the core limit.
And I have East Research, South Research, Rad Research, South Mineral sectors.

>>143578790
the 3 corner ones are obvious because they don't benefit anything and the 4th one is also beneficial to clear because by itself it would give +2+2 to the dangerous wildlife tile next to it, but if cleared the tile that opens up would instead get +6+6 from adjacancies for a net benefit of +4+4

>>143579603
Or what about the ringworld project? Which requires research from all three branches of science, a fuckload of materials and time? You win the game when it's built.

>>143580236
>2500
>scourge still present
>other empires still alive
>200 years to purge a FE
HOW

does negative ethics divergence cause conquered pops to divert to your chosen ethics?
because trying to deal with conquering xenophobic pops as an empire that can't resettle or purge is hell

and just releasing the planets as vassals won't do because its a ringworld and I want that god damn ringworld

>>143580756
Dyson Sphere a sun, you get +1000 energy, but you make all habitable planets in the system barren.

How do you guys manage to keep a somewhat balanced budget with several 10k fleets?
I just ran out of energy credits and I only have a 20k fleet and some military stations. I already squeeze my sectors dry.

>conquer a world of synthetics
>they go on murderous rampages
>no planetary administration to transplant my species so I can purge the filthy synth scum
>robots taking forever to build

This is why I didn't go AI, holy crap is this annoying

>>143580236
These kinds of stories are why I have hope for Stellaris future. Cool shit does happen.

>>143581040
please don't
dyson spheres are retarded
dyson swarm project would be doable though

>>143580383
Commence orbital cleansing.

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>>143580792
My first game and I really struggled with my research. I just suck ok.

>>143580531
I manage my sectors and create them based off of regions of space, so parts of spiral arms, around nebulas, or groups of planets that are distant from my core worlds.

>>143581171
>dyson spheres are retarded

So they would be a perfect fit for Stellaris then.

>be 5 empire federation
>right next to other 5 empire federation
>we all like each other mutually
>except for one of my guys, and one of their guys, who hate each other mutually
>their guy wardecs our guy when their guy is president
>fug.png
>It's erudite explorer bros vs federation builder bros
>we hit -30% warscore real quick, most of my allies' fleets have been hit pretty hard
>only my fleet is left
>have 4 2.8k stacks, fairly well composes but a bit behind on tech
>they get stuck into a fight with three of the enemy fleets, a 7k stack, a 4k stack, and a 3k stack
>FUG.png
>somehow, manage to turn the tide
>battle takes nearly 4 months to resolve
>they get reinforcements of nearly 4 battleships over the course of it, I get none
>end of battle, I have one
>out of a starting cumulative fleet of 4 battleships, 6 cruisers, 17 destroyers, and 37 corvettes
>I have won with 1 destroyer and 8 corvettes remaining
>warscore quickly flips from there on, I have broken the back of their fleets
>go about commerce raiding and fucking up their starports while me and my allies rebuild our fleets
>research debris
>brings me up to t2 plasma, t4 shields, and a bunch of torpedo and kinetic research
>sentient combat AI just finished
>start rolling out my next fleet that's better in every way to any other ship currently on the field
>war score is currently at 35%, we're just starting to lock down zones of control
FEELS GOOD MAN

Did parakuk neuter the AI?
They can't seem to get their shit together since Clarke.

>>143581171
sure

The sphere was retarded since it would be hard to keep it in place or something right?
feel free to educate a stinky casual

>>143581109
get the energy increasing resources, build energy boosting buildings all over and most importantly remember to keep your ship moored at a planet whenever you don't need it, preferably one with crew quarters and engineering bay
got 3 30k fleets myself and I can only keep 2 of them flying at the same time without running a deficit of 20 credits per month, but during peacetime I got around 200+ credits per month so its just a matter of finishing a war before my credits stockpile runs out, then rebuilding it

>>143581171
>retarded
Listen, son, if a race has the tech to even begin to build a dyson sphere in the first place, they likely have the tech to be able to convert energy directly into matter as well.

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>>143580194
I've uninstalled every fucking mod and it's still not fixed.

>>143581408
Hope you put some dank war goal so its not all for nothing.

>>143581408
>be federation

Stopped reading there.

>>143580659
What the fuck, anon? Do you know how adjacency works? You're right about bottom right since it isn't actually a wasteland, my bad.
Top right can go as well, no change in research and you gain adjacency with the capital.
The other two are just wrong. You're throwing out 15 research.

>>143581535
Not really. Dyson sphere is "just" a matter of mindblowing scale made with supermaterials in amounts that would make you strip entire systems of everything worth taking.

Converting energy into matter is another ballpark altogether.

>>143581535
We can already convert energy into matter, it's the opposite that is difficult. except in nuclear power plants

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>>143579458
>>143580194
The birth of a new chaos god

>>143580383
Bring on the pain helmets
C'mon baby, it hurts so good.

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halp

>>143581758
We can't convert energy into matter in any meaningful way.

>>143581525
first of all the sheer number of resources required to build one are insane
like completely and utterly bonkers
like need to scrap 200 solar systems, suns included, of all material down to the gasses to build it

>>143581903
Nightmare fuel

>start invasion
>fucking asteroid incoming to wipe out one of my planets

honestly what a retarded event, that is the second one in a trillion chance events happening

>>143581758
I think he meant converting energy into any kind of matter one needs, which is beginning of the universe tier as well as unbelievably humongous amounts of said energy.

>>143581729
unless they changed it recently, adjacencies don't carry over

>>143581973
That why you make a dyson sphere out of dark matter idiot

>>143581938
Ye we can, we just don't have meaningfull amounts of energy

Stellaris multiplayer WHEN?

>>143582098
No, you definitely don't have any idea how any of this works.

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>playing as House Telvanni
>some alien beast fucks declare war on me
>they're superior, but I manage to fight them near my space station so I narrowly beat them back
>rebuild my fleet, and wreck their asses
Now I have 4 huge planets full of these guys, should I enslave them all? My research is going to be fucked.

>>143580194
Thats a big qt

>>143581973
Other anon; but take note it's different depending on what one wants to achieve with said sphere.
For example, if it was "only" microns thick it would scale down the materials needed from completely and utterly bonkers to reasonably insane.

>>143581525
You're building a spherical shell around a sun. A fucking shell. Solid. Fucking solid. Even assuming it's just an inch thick and you'd build it at say mercury distance from the sun (innermost planest in our solar system), it'd be 1.53au^3, or 5.12E33 meter cubed, or 1.81E35 feet cubed. If you'd make such a thing out of pure lithium (lightest metal at standard conditions, even though these conditions are anything but standard), you'd end up with 1.38E6 solar masses. That's 6 million suns in pure lithium. Just the fucking gravity that thing will cause on itself is absurd.

And that's not even mentioning the fact that unless you have a way to convert sunlight into some storable form of energy with 100% efficiency, your dyson sphere will heat up over time.

>>143578905
I like the idea of hyper lanes only for the 'terrain' it can generate.

Combat, however, is stupid. Almost all fleet battles just descend into opposing fleets jumping between two systems until the retreating fleet blows itself up trying to escape.

>>143582208
>>143582614
Someone host MP with hyperlanes only

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>>143581584
>>143581593
I wasn't the primary defender, but the guy who is wants to take a huge chunk of territory from one of their guys (who wasn't the primary attacker)

>>143581593
Wew lad :^)

Where's best to get the stellaris updates if you acquired the game through other means?

>>143581408
I bet the jews did this

>>143582383
Genocide

>>143582773
You can't get the beta patch. Gotta wait until it officially hits

>>143582510
>>143582550
And for comparison, at a micron thick it's still enormous. You can mess around with the formula in wolfram here:

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?dataset=&i=4%2F3+*+pi+(0.682+au%5E3+-+(0.682au+-+1+inch)%5E3)+times+the+density+of+lithium

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>start game in new patch
>put no advanced ai
>50 years later meet AI with triple my number of planets and superior tech
>same ethos as me
Never happened before (unless I put advanced AI) what the flying fuck is this?

>>143582686
I don't feel like getting crushed by other players because I'm really bad at playing fast.

>>143582797
Seriously, really?
It's suppose to be space Jews you dungus

>>143582868
What's the latest non-beta? I'm on 1.0.0 9b5a if that helps

>>143582510
see
>>143582550
if those calculations are correct a 1 micron thick shell at mercury distance would still be 50 times the mass of the sun at the very least

>>143583105
Just do it. I'll hugbox with you <3

>>143582868
>You can't get the beta patch
Then what exactly am I playing?

>>143582773
Use the googlefu, Luke.

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>That'll teach em raycis bastids

>>143582550
>6 million suns in pure lithium
OYYYYYYYYYY VEI

>>143583398
>AI insults you in diplomacy screen
>embassy
>not purging the everloving shit out of the xeno scum

>>143583270
Yeah, I know. The Dyson sphere is an absolutely ridiculous concept that smashes through what we currently deem possibly even theoretically. But on the other hand, I think it's supposed to be a concept like that.
Mind you, I agree with you and

>>143583034
>>143582550

posts only put this insane thing into perspective, underlying how advanced (or mad? Or bored?) a civilization that would built such a structure would be.

>>143582773
http://cs.rin.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=68551&start=660
RezMar the best

>>143583204
1.0.3

>>143582550
I can hardly imagine anything that would require entire energy of the sun to power. A dyson swarm would be enough for just about anything oh who am I kidding, when humanity gets advanced enough, we'll be building dyson spheres for fucking fun of it, just to fuck with primitive aliens.

>>143583693

There are more xenos at my doorstep than I have bullets, I have to play the long game.

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>FE's face when your carriers murderfuck their half again as large stack
Are bombers the new lances?

>>143583597
which turns very quickly into a single fuckhuge sun made out of lithium
which then due to its downright stupid mass (the most massive star known has a mere 300 solar masses and is so insanely massive it could have only come into existence as a result of 2 supermassive stars colliding) promptly turns into several increasingly more exotic forms of matter before turning into their the mother of all supernovas or else a singularity on the level of the one in the center of the galaxy

>>143583807
>I can hardly imagine anything that would require entire energy of the sun to power.
And THAT'S the scary thing. The dyson sphere is "only" harnessing the power of the whole sun.
But for what purpose?

>>143584005
The no-brainer is - to fuel FTL drives.

Maybe some terraforming shit, I don't know.

Or making your solar system light up like a christmas tree for the hell of it.

>>143579458
Nice mullet

Is Crystal-Forged Plating any good?

>>143583789
first of a civilization building one must necessarily be able to warp physics to the point they can virtually ignore the very concept of gravity
then it needs to reap like half a galactic arm to get the materials necessary for it
and then expend so much energy to create the damn thing the star inside of it will run out before it becomes energy efficient

so basically the most realistic cause for a dyson sphere is an alien civilization ascending to godlike status, then one of them on a whim decides to put a star into a bubble

anyways the technology needed to build one isn't even near on the level of what stellaris tries to be, heck the ringworlds the fallen empires have are already heavily pushing it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQsgrAtD0I0

>>143583805
Thank you, anon

>This update requires "Stellaris.Galaxy.Edition-RezMar" or any newer version of game.

I assume I'm gonna have to go digging for that, too?

>>143584324
>then it needs to reap like half a galactic arm to get the materials necessary for it
Not really, anon.

A couple thousand solar systems would probably be enough.

>>143584161
the energy required to sustain a dyson sphere against its own mass is several times higher than the energy it gains from the star its orbiting so basically the "prank" reason the other anon mentioned is vastly more realistic than utilizing it to gain energy

>>143584161
Same reason we burn oil
The holy trinity
Sustenance, Entertainment and Porn

>>143584479
Nah just install the patch.

>>143584289
it's the best

>>143584161
>Maybe some terraforming shit, I don't know.
That one is doubtful; when you're building a dyson thing, your civilization is on a nigh transcendence level (if it isn't just sentient AI or something like that). If you can build this, you're not using planets anymore.

My personal bet would be the centerpiece of a grey goo self replicating scenario. Or a massive databank that allows your entire civilization to just digitalize.

>>143577250
Yes they can.
It's a good, if slow way to purge without the negative hit.

>>143583339
Aight. Gimme a bit to get a game up, and I can host.
Pw:civ4xg
Amyone else wanna go all Covenant on AIs? Everyone play alien empires in a federation to cleanse and bring our word to the galaxy?

>>143584289
>>143584621
Is it straight up better than armour and shields?

>>143584005
You could turn your star into a projectile. Leave a small gave in your dyson sphere, make the inside mirrors and voila, radiation pressure ought to propel both the dyson sphere and the star in the direction opposite the hole. It's a step up from asteroid drop.

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Is this really the most OP "loadout" you can have?

>>143584289
I honestly like it a lot if you have some form of percentual bonus on hulls like the 25% bonus military stations have or the bonuses from oversized military station/oversized ship

especially because nothing truly counters increased health and if the enemy is using a lot of counter weapons that ignore armor or shields its a safe bet
you'll want to keep a full crystal ship/station inside of a hull regeneration aura at all times though

>>143584739
That's called a matryoshka brain, anon, and it's actually a few dozen dyson spheres nested together to ensure that NO energy radiates away, and all of it is used purely for computation.

>>143584814
No lol

>>143584739
>If you can build this, you're not using planets anymore.
Anon, just because we can live our whole life in a city doesn't mean we can't fuck off to see the mountains or to live on a farm for a month or two.
Aliens probably need amusement and relaxation too.

>>143584948
You can build mountains into your ringworlds

>>143584948
a civilization that can build and sustain a dyson sphere can also pretty much shit out planets wherever it wants, completely designed to its specifications

actually scratch that, they are capable of doing so because creating a planet from scratch is several thousand times easier than creating a dyson sphere

>>143584773
given that many weapons enemies will use negate some or all of those effects, it will be better most of the time I think

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At least my food production is top notch.

>>143577920
It's bullshit.

My hivemind will be crippled!

>>143584814
I'm the one who made it. ethics/happiness-wise, I think it is. With the game in its current state, you will be stuck terraforming with zenophobe.

>All this advanced civilization talk
"Stellaris: Beyond Kardashev Scale" expansion when?

>>143584814
They just nerfed that government lol

>>143585149
I'd say its better once you get some percentual modifiers on it and do things like generate 20k health space stations

>>143585431
Don't worry, we'll get our Baxter or Banks expansion soon.

>mfw late game "technology victory" is literally building a matryoshka brain around some star
>it costs the equivalent of a thousand dyson rings
>it's affordable because another late game tech, combined with zero point energy, is perfectly efficient mass-energy conversion

>>143585053
And you can bring sand from a beach and put it into your living room, complete with water.

Yeah.

What the fuck does the army rank +1 ruler skill do?

>>143584763
Also need server name or ID to join buddy

>>143585152
>planetary administration next to radioactive wasteland
anon you're killing me

Is there a way to move a reassambeld ship shelter?

>>143585701
I don't think you understand the scale of a ringworld.

You can put 1:1 scale maps of planets in them and not even realize you used any space.

>>143585794
>notices planadm
>doesn't notice four (4) farms next to more wastelands

>>143585976
yes

so given they're introducing midgame events what would you think could be interesting ones?

a very neat one could be a star going supernova and the event chain around observing it, protecting your planets from it and all those things

>>143586053
Do I have to demolish it?

>>143585794
Go up earlier in the thread and see that all the possible landing spots for it were for wasteland.

>>143586039
I don't have resettling, so I'm just pumping up farms first and then I'll convert farms to research.

>>143585701
Anon, a ringworld at 1 AU is approximately 3 million earths worth of livable space.

You could build a hundred thousand earths worth of landscape, each and every one completely unique , and you could separate each and every one by nine hundred thousand earths worth of ocean , two oceans per earth, and still have two million earths worth of space left just for solar panels, industrial buildings, and computers.

what's the best planet you guys ever got?

my favorite sofar was the natives/atmospheric hallucinogen 25 slot planet

output of 200+ society research per month

>>143583869
Bombers are good?

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>HURR IMMA GUNNA SPACE BATTLE EVAN THO I AM TROOP TRANSPORT IN ORBIT OVER ENEMY PLANET

JUST LAND YOUR FUCKING TROOPS OH MY FUCKING GOD I HAVE A FLEET COVERING YOU

>>143585740
90101516535628800?

>>143586318
>>143582550

Christ the future will be horribly boring, the way you lot put it

Infinite space, and nothing to fill it with.

>>143586489
>CHASE THE ENEMY FLEET
>OH SHIT IT'S A MINING STATION/SCIENCE VESSEL, CHANGE TARGETS

>>143586557
You can always fill it with terror and death.

>>143586557
You fill it with people.

Billion billion humans and ten times that amount as digitized AI personalities

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Does anyone know how to make the game display habitability of a planet only for my main species (humans, so should be 60% for oceanic worlds) instead for a 2% minority (Tarassi) when it's higher like in this case?
Right now those 2 aliens make me want to expel them into space.

>>143586131
>I don't have resettling
Fair enough.
Still, you could have tore down the shelter and built planadm top left, you'd be freeing a research spot for the northern wasteland.
Also you have migration active.

You guys are acting like any advanced enough civilization will be entirely rational. 99% of the things we do today are irrational, why the fuck would that change in the future? Space elections aren't won by pragmatism and hillary clinton esque outlooks on life they're won by giant dyson spheres, wall of the sun I say.

>>143586447
They seem really solid now.
They all launch the second combat begins, travel faster than missiles, seem p.resilient to point defenses and murder the shit out of everything unless they get attrited away at which point you can retreat and repeat.

>>143586672
>Read this
>'Dust in the wind' starts playing

>>143586758
>I'm going to build a dyson sphere so great you won't even believe it, and Ikaanan Directorate is going to pay for it!

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I have yet to win a single war. I sit quietly until a xeno wardecs me, and no matter how big my fleet, they always have like 5 times my output.

should I just wardec the first people I encounter and funnel everything I can into taking them?

It feels like the AI just ends up with more resources if I wait for war to come to me, even if I build as many ships as possible knowing it's coming.

>>143586758
this isn't on the level of say the space program
its on the level of a president promising to drain the pacific and turn it into farmland

Im really bad at videogames, should i play my first stellaris game in normal or in hard?

>>143586961
Make The Pacific Great Again

>>143583869
Range is king in this game, whatever has the longest range will always be best since it can start to murder the opposition with no retaliation. That said maybe Flak Battery will finally be worth building now that fighters and bombers are strong.

>>143586961
The Italians were going to drain the mediterranean during WW2. Also draining the pacific and turning it into farmland would be a great idea, end world hunger.

>>143586131
>Go up earlier in the thread and see that all the possible landing spots for it were for wasteland.
You know you can demolish the ship and build the planetary anywhere you want right?

>>143586039
Yeah I assume those are temporary while filling up pops.

>>143586557
If humanity maintained a permanent population of 10 billion, and we build a maximally dense ringworld (I.E., entirely used for habitation), you could give each person 3 millionths of an earth in livable space, which is nearly 60 thousand square miles.

Can you imagine what you'd do with 60 thousand square miles of your own personal eden, filled with whatever manner of beast, plant, climate, sculpture, or anything you could imagine?
Now imagine 10 billion of those edens, each unique in their own way, each tended to by their own human.
Now imagine just one hundred thousand of those edens had been given entirely over to building the grandest, most impressive cities you had ever seen, shimmering megapoli of crystal and stone and park squares, inhabited by untold millions, possibly even billions, who spend their time there inbetween enjoying their and everyone elses' plots of land.

The only limit at that level of technology is human imagination.

>>143587060
high range instant attacks best
tachyon lances are still god tier

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>>143587009
Please respond.

>>143577610
Collectivism isn't just for gommies

-

Is star ruler 2 any good?

Do fighter fleets work as point defence?

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>>143587308
>mfw tachyon lances, neutron torpedos, and t3 strike craft

>>143587297
Yeah, but then what would you do with that? Everybody's got the same stuff.

Sorry if I'm being a downer on this conversation, but I'm more of a journey-beats-the-destination bloke

>>143587563
>imblying nashonal gommunism isn't gommunism
:DDDDD

>>143587308
Well yeah, nothing can counter it. Fighters are strong assuming that there isn't PD to fend them off, much like torpedoes, but Lances ignore armor (Which fighters and torpedoes don't) and are no better or worse against shields than Kinetics, making them unquestionably the best. Weapons desperately need a rebalance but I don't even think it's on the roadmap for the next three patches, so mods will have to fix it.

>>143587591
don't even bother with neutron torpedoes and strike craft
tachyon battleships surrounded by destroyers with tachyon lances and some point defense

taste the rainbow

>>143587636
>Yeah, but then what would you do with that?
Whatever you want, its yours, and with presumably post-scarcity amounts of resources (and the robots to do it with) to do as you want.

>Everbody's got the same stuff
And it's yours to do with as you please, and I'd also assume that the humans of this future would be altogether greater people, whether it be through intensive cultural and societal change and development, eugenics, or just a natural evolution of culture and thought.

>>143587297
>megapoli
>i
pls no

>>143586961
The Russians and the Germans had insane plans like that.
I think they were planning to drain the Mediterranean sea for farmlandThere's this story about how the Russians drained an entire lake to fuel a cotton industry, but that they messed up somewhere destroying the lake and the cotton farms both.

>>143587850
Hello fellow classical lover
Fuck off greek a shit, they're Maxima-Urbes

>>143588075
You mean the Aral Lake?

>>143587009
normal

I really like how Stellaris doesn't just artificially cause invaded planets to turn into enemy planets owned by the enemy empire that you have to invade to get back.

It works like wars really do. If you invade, it's not the actual invasion that defines how the war ends, it's the peace terms. I just wish it would have some sort of mechanism to make it harder to hold the planets because of separatism and invading planets you lose should be easier if the population is loyal, because they'd help the invaders if you're reclaiming the planet.

How the fuck do you manage to both built a ringworld and then let just fucking break apart like the ones in FEs' secondary systems?
Are fallen """""""empires""""""" basically just space squatters that moved in after the original inhabitants ascended?

>>143588328
Sea
Aral Sea

>Resettle my pop into a colony
>He instantly starts migrating back

There should be a modifier that resettled pops can't migrate for like 10 years or something

>terraforming everything left and right
>nobody objects to this
Kinda wish environmentalism was an ethos of its own.
Or at least an eco-terrorist FE.

>>143588428
I'm pretty sure that the implication is that there was a giant war between the proto-civilizations that wiped most out and bombed the rest into the stone age (which for them is the space age).

>>143588581
I do get the feeling it should have some consequences. Like a lot of stellaris, the system is shallow, even if having the capability to terraform several worlds as once feels nice.

>>143588664
DEEPEST LORE

>>143588138
>maxima urbes

Urbs is feminine, you stupid bastard. It's maximae urbes.

Jesus fucking Christ. What a tragedy that out of one million sperm, you were the fastest swimmer.

>>143588664
The fact that some of the FE's as so vehemently against AI makes it seem like they have had a serious problem with them. I'd guess they had a war against an AI civilization that caused their "fall" in the first place.

>>143588690
Also
>start improving the atmosphere of a planet more to your species liking
>0% happiness everywhere
Yeah nah.
The MoO approach to terraforming was a lot less retarded.

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>>143580090
stardrive could have been really comfy if he had finished it instead of running to unity and making it turnbased

and fucking scrapped the shitass ship builder

>>143589014
Keelah Se'lai

>>143587724
Weapon tracking when

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>>143587554
Man, there are just some girls that I would only have sexual intercourse with if it was rape. Not normal sex or anything other than rape. This is one of them.

>can't build a 5k power fortress
>can't upgrade the single most expensive structure you're likely to have past uselessness
Spaceports' combat stats scaling with tech when?

>>143589014
They're against warp drives too. They probably triggered both Crises at once. What does the pop-up for the Unbidden say again? Does it imply that they had been here before?

>>143589001
Shit, my logic "It's a city, it's neuter right" failed me. And my memory. Only suicide can save my family's honour now.

>>143589583
>can build a 5k power fortress
I mean

Were fighters / bombers range fixed with the beta patch? or are they still flawed?

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>>143588328
>>143588452
The Aral Sea, yes, my bad.

>>143589867
They just werk now.

>>143589707
You should kill yourself. Spare your father the shame of your continued existence. But maybe you should kill him too, because there's clearly something defective about his sperm since he produced you.

HOW THE FUCK DO I MANUALLY INSTALL MODS? I've followed fucking every guide and wiki and they still won't fucking work even though they appear in the mod menu.

The only way I can get anything to work is to just directly integrate the files with the game but I don't want to have to keep making several copies of the stellaris directory for different mods.

Is it even worth conquering primitives early on?

Feels like they just drag you more than anything else when they're capable of only producing food for the first 25 years

>>143588690
I do agree that the process should be more involved then simply pushing a button and paying 1500 energy.
Maybe add risk or reward chances to it. like losing tiles, or gaining a planetary bonus.
Maybe make the terraforming resources finite; that's work.
That'd make the choice of where and when to terraform matter more, and would make those resources worth trading or fighting over.

>>143589018
Terraforming usually involves things like setting off nukes, dropping asteroids, setting off volcanoes and more.
That's not going to be pleasant even if you live on the other side of the planet.

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>>143588075
>think they were planning to drain the Mediterranean sea for farmland

Yes

>>143590674
Making it too expensive might not help. Already it's very easy to colonize just by swapping the world type preference of the initial colonists through gene modification.

>>143589583
Forts really only have two (one) purposes.
Stopping single enemy ships from doing stupid shit like blowing up your stations or trying to invade a planet that had its starport blown up,
and secondly to stall enemy fleets to give yours a chance to catch them.
They're less walls and more like roadblocks.

>>143590969
That looks better than what we have now.

Also pls god someone help me with this >>143590350
My mods will activate in the menu but not actually be working in game

>>143591002
>>143590674
Terraforming planets to <Your type> should piss off the civilizations who have <Planet you are terraforming> as their type at the very least

Also should terraforming allow you to get 100% habitability since you are, well TERRAforming?

What are the oversized military base and oversized ship like?

Are they any good?

>>143591459
Do you mean the battleship and fortress, or something from a mod?

>>143591547

the ones from specific govs that let 1 leader build 1 type of oversized ship or station

>>143591459
they cost the same and are about inbetween their original class and the next class up in terms of power, so pretty good

>unbidden appear
>I decide to end my rivalry with a guy that I crippled a century ago
>suddenly, everyone is ending their rivalries.
kek

>>143591749
Oh, that.

Early game they're a bit pointless because
>torpvettes
They could be nice later.

I just lost my first game

Spawned next to an advanced AI start and he shrekked me with 1.5k worth of corvettes ~15 years into the game. Also on hard

I'm pretty sure it was advanced start at least. He had 3 colonies before I had my first

Has there been any MP sessions yet?

I loved V2 mp with /gsg/, maybe we could try something similar

>>143590969
Looks more realistic.
fukken boot italy get out ree

>>143592556
>I loved V2 mp with /gsg/, maybe we could try something similar

>>143592556
>V2 mp with /gsg/
STEAMGRUPPEN RAUS
RAUS

>>143592572
Italy is the most meme looking country on the Planet

>>143586557
If you assume that anything is possible, yeah.

I'm pretty sure space colonization is pointless though, given the distances between stars and the certainty that those distances cannot be circumvented by any practical means.

No, warp drives can't be made, alcubierre's models were for entertainment purposes only, since eezo isn't real.

Interstellar trade? For what? Trillion dollar bottles of wine? Stellar nucleosynthesis shows that there is a pretty homogenous distribution of elements in the universe, especially around livable stars. There won't be unobtanium on alpha centauri, for example.

The future will be as dull as 2014 was, despite half a century's worth of fiction depicting it as a space-trotting wonderland. Value is subjective, remember.

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>>143592865
>imblying

>>143592928
>I'm pretty sure space colonization is pointless though,
survival of the species

>>143587096
>end world hunger.
No please don't.
Starve Africa, India and China to death instead.

>uplift a bunch of apes
>they magically run into humans
And they I console'd them all away.

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So i've played a few games now and i almost always get outpaced on tech, which annoys me because i've always loved to play shit like korea and babylon and tech the fastest.

What are some good strategies for maxing research, and is it even a good idea considering the eventual costs of utilizing that advanced tech?

Are the +research race bonuses even worth it if it stymies my economy to the point that it takes forever to build a research infrastructure?

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>21 nations declare war on me

B-bring it

>>143593152
you're not going to survive without arable land, an ecosystem, lots of fresh water and fresh air, a sustainable atmosphere, a comfortable temperature and a strong magnetic field

why isn't stellaris part of /gsg/

>>143593385
because it's a realtime 4x

>>143593152

There isn't anything habitable for quite a ways once you're out of sol. If it's living space we're looking for, it'll take quite a while for us to people all the worlds in sol. Saturn alone has 62 moons. They're all pretty shit, but at least they're not 40 years and 120,000m/s away from rescue.

>>143593231
the key is just spam labs
thats pretty much it, you need to spam labs proportionate to your population

>>143590969
Would be nice except for the whole "we've just changed the biosphere on a massive scale with drastic unknown effects to the climate" and "blow up dam; recieve tens of millions dead" and "these expensive pumps must also have 3 sets of backups just to make sure they can keep pumping water out, so its going to cost a shitload"

>>143593493
>implying either of these is true

>>143593493
Is it? I thought it was europa universalis with aliens and shieet

>>143593385
because /gsg/ hates discussion
also its not GRAND, its a pseudo grand strategy game for the masses

>>143593934
It will be grand strategy, after you drop a grand on all the DLCs.

>>143593385
Its popular enough to be it's own

Also you get to pretend that CIV5 has it's own general again which is nice

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Post memes

>sector AI set to military focus won't expand spaceport as their reasources allow it
just

>>143592227
My game is the exact opposite.

>scourge arrive
>everyone keeps stabbing each other in the back
>I can't do shit becaus the stupid space foxes between me and the scourge don't allow me to help
>then the faggot alliance on the other side of the galaxy and their retarded crusader enemy decided it'd be fun to drag me into their war, because why the fuck not
Now I have stomped over the faggot alliance, shattered the crusaders into three splinter states who still hate me but now also fight each other.

I don't even fucking WANT that space, but all the planets the fuckers handed me were purged of all life and only had one or two droids or snyths on them.

All I wanted was to defend the galaxy against the scourge.

>>143594378
Are you retarded? Spaceports are always under your direct control.

>>143594378
Sector AI is incredibly short sighted. The moment it gets 60 minerals it spends it

>>143594725
They're not.
First thing the ai will do is build the solar panel module if it can.

>>143594725
>>143594827
Also, what the fuck is the point of sectors then if I have to manually navigate the atrocity that is the empire management interface and build everything myself anyway.

How fast should I be colonizing, and what research should I be going for early on? I always find that my neighbours expand faster than me and have better ships than I do. My main strategy is just to churn out a bunch of corvettes above my naval capacity and quickly subdue the neighbours because of this.

Is it better to go for vassalization or should I be conquering planets and occupying them instead of expensive and lengthy colonization?

>>143595108
There's no reason to vassalize small empires. Just conquer

Spiritualist + Militarist + Xenophobic
or
Materialist + Collectivist + Militarist

Playing as humans, just can't decide what I want future humanity to look like.

>>143595301
Pacifist xenophile individualists.

Sweden yes.

>>143595301
pacifist individualist materialist

>>143595563
>individualist
>swede
Make that collectivist.

>>143594962
sectors are for blobbing, you jsut blob and throw everything into a sector and forget about it
This works cos the AI is shit, but if youre autistic and cant stand inefficiency, then its a terrible mechanic

>>143595652
Stop assuming everyone has the same identity you native white cishet male. Disgusting.

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>tfw your dickhole antagonizing "pathetic" neighbor declares war on you
>tfw he is allied with half the galaxy

makes me feel bad for the peaceful idiots who were allied with no one that I committed genocide against

>>143595108
depends on a few things
>how much space do you have to expand?
>can you purge?
>if not, is your neighbour's ethics compatible with yours?

>>143595563
>>143595625
>pacifist
>not militaristic
>not anything but pacifist
Xenophile materialist individualist.

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Which do I choose?

The first option gives me 216 engineering.

Why would I pick the second one? I assume it leads to more research tree, but it doesn't say it does.

pre-emptive plsrespond

I just conquered the home system of a FE and they aren't happy with the situation plus they are xenophobes.
Should I enslave them or does that more harm than good?

>>143596314
It leads to nothing except making you feel better about yourself.

>>143596353
Purge them and replace them with your pops

Is there any reason to choose anything but wormhole? Hyperspace doesn't seem any faster and warp is way too slow.

>>143593385
It's not autistic enough for /gsg/ to derive any entertainment from it. Maybe when it's been out for a year or two and has enough patches and DLC to make it sufficiently complicated.

>>143596418
I can't purge. I choose Fanatic Materialist because of the research modifier.

>>143596627
>he can't purge
lol

>>143596512
Translation: you can't form le ebin groBgermanium so it's not relevant to gsg's interests.

>>143596408
In what way? I have miltary, phobe, materialist. I couldn't give less of a shit about feels.

>>143596770
nah, right now the game has practically no grand strategy.
Its barely even a 4x

>>143596770
It's more that the game is lacking depth and has far too little content to be interesting to hardened GS players. For 4X players it's at least mildly diverting if not addictive but the more you get into it the faster you exhaust the few options it has.

>AI keeps spawning stations and ruining my war score

holy crap this game is poorly designed

>dirupters+lasers
Is there anything you can do to counter this?

>>143597417
Get gud______________________

>>143597417
Torpedoes and tachyon lances. If they start building point defense at the very least they will have fewer lasers and/or disruptors.

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They really need to fix xenophobe genetic modification paths. If I'd take this option I'd make my pops hate themselves basically. Heck, even if I'd genetically engineer all my pops, they'd consider themselves as ruled by aliens.

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>>143594250

>>143597621
So basically if you come up against them early you just have to hope you can outproduce them.

What are the pros/cons to the three starting weapon types?

>japanese leaders have the european portrait
Is Paradox seriously white washing their own game?
That's pretty problematic.

>>143598203
mass drivers suck cock

>>143598307
I like the way Paradox pretends that at this rate there will even BE asian, white or black people.

In realistic outcome, everyone will be a fucking brown mongrel.

>>143598203
Lasers are cool also this (>>143598436
)

>>143597796
Poor blorg.

>>143596314
>I assume it leads to more research tree, but it doesn't say it does.
DLC no released yet :v))))))))

>>143598436
What's so bad about them?

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>be jew
>hear about a great sale going on on New Earth
>look at list of planets I can fly to today by New Israel Galactic
>New Dakota
>New Damascus
>New Delaware
>New Delhi
>New Detroit
>New Dutchland
>New Earfh
>New Earth
>New-Earth
>New Earth
>New Earth
>New Earthia
>New England
>New Englandia

>>143598203
Missile are 100% accurate and have the best range, but are hard countered by point defense weapons, which most players will get in mid game but the AI sort of does whatever. Missiles are obsoleted by torpedoes once you get them, since they ignore shields completely and do far more damage and have far better range while also enjoying 100% accuracy.

Lasers do 50% armor penetration and have middle-tier stats. A tight damage spread, range and accuracy scale with size. Lasers are pretty good at all stages of the game but are definitely more viable in late game than the other two choices thanks to their armor pen and reliable damage. Plasma weapons can be considered an upgrade from lasers, but I still find lasers useful even after getting plasma.

Kinetic weapons can do fuck loads of damage at close range and have pretty great fire rate, but their range is mediocre. They're pretty good at taking down shields because of how much damage they can put out in a short amount of time, they will deplete shields pretty quick.

>>143598681
Imagine you have 3 cars: One will go REALLY FAST, other will guarantee you will NEVER crash, and third one is a car.

The third one is mass drivers.

warp drives are the gayest shit in the universe

I am losing this war because they just warp in, destroy some stations, and warp out before my superior forces can get there

>>143598794
just bomb their homeworld, they'll recall fleets to fight you

>>143598794
>warp
>not objectively the worst FTL

>>143598761
>but I still find lasers useful even after getting plasma.
But why?
The only thing lasers have going for them is that they fire faster; plasma has a greater range, damage, and armor pen.

>>143598972
Hyperlanes are the worst unless you're doing Hyperlane-only. That might change once they unfuck magic space borders though.

>>143599036
Unless you get really unlucky with hyperlanes it is the 2nd best.

http://poal.me/29fzep
Which is more OP?

>>143599248
>play hyperlane on any map that isn't elliptical
>get boxed in and can't expand anywhere without sucking dick for ship access or declaring war

Is it possible to use lasers effectively early game?

>>143599248
>>143599036

I can't really see why you guys are hating on Hyperlanes so much.

Warp Drive comes with a shitty ass "cooldown" period where your ships do fuckall for days after a warp, in the middle of enemy territory ontop of a military station FTL snare.

Wormholes sound awesome on paper, but having to go back to your home system every time you want to go somwhere leads to you building your own "hyperlane" network. And since wormhole stations take power you're just throwing away energy credits every month maintaining your network.

Sure, hyperlanes can get blocked in, and lead to silly benny hill style chases...but its far better then the stupid cooldown or backtracking the other modes offer.

>>143599591
And? Just vassalize them.

>>143599248
you can literally dance around hyperlane, it's atrocious

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Keep fighting for second place hyperpussies and warpfags, Wormholes will always reign supreme. Even the art for the game indicates this.

>>143599879
Wormhole can dance around anything. Warp has a 20 day cooldown.

More FTL ways when?

>wormhole is by far the best FTL
>also the most likely to get jump drive
10/10 balance

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>tfw anomaly gave me this beast

>>143599860
How do wormhole paths work anyway? I never understood them.

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HAHA time for fungoids.

>>143600194
Thats a Fallen Empire building

>>143599860
>Wormholes sound awesome on paper, but having to go back to your home system every time you want to go somwhere
It's painfully obvious you've never even played with wormholes. Wormholes only need to have one end of the wormhole in a system that has a generator. They can jump from a generator or to a generator, and you can build generators anywhere: systems you own, allied systems, vassal systems, uncontrolled systems, and neutral systems you have station rights to.

When you've upgraded wormholes to extend their range you can jump to pretty much any world in an empire from withing your own borders then pop back to your side directly.

>>143599993
enjoy your year long wind up if you ever plan on jumping massive late game fleets.

Meanwhile I'll be on the other side of the galaxy with my hyperspace ships by the time you make it out of your system.

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>Playing pacifist, hyperspace only
>In federation with every relevant species
>Scourge arrives
>Sure enough they land straight on some useless excuse of an empire on the side of galaxy not in my federation
>Have to tunnel through three other empires to reach them
>Leave federation to make it in time
>Of course the pieces of shit join my old federation, no hopes of military access
>Burn half the galaxy to save it from the scourge
I am the hero they need, not the one they deserve

>been playing basically since launch
>think for some reason you can only colonize within your borders
>some anon calls me retarded yesterday and points out that you can
>now i'm actually having fun
Anyone else developed some really stupid habits in this game?

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I patched to 1.1 and now the character portraits are all fucked up and partially outside the box. What gives

>>143600381
sure, for ONE jump they are amazing.

Now move your fleet across the galaxy.....ohh wait...you need to build even more wormhole stations.

Shit man, sorry about that....guess whatever you were going to do is already taken care of by my Hyperspace ships.