/domg/ - Dominions General

Patch when?

what is stellaris?

So, Summod soon will be tackling LA (well, technically it's already started to) and there's a number of issues with the era.

First and foremost is Ragha, who have better fire mages than Abysia, better seraphs than Cealum, and have ridiculous sacreds.
Voice opions, ideas, etc.

To get things going, in terms of the sacreds, it's possible to make getting back the rider cost gold.

>>141959181
You could make the post-death gryphon rider have worse stats and equipment, to represent how they're poorly trained squires who just got on the riderless gryphon.

>>141959902
They already lose all xp when they get a new rider to represent this.

Costing gold to get a new rider would be good, it would mean you at least get something for "killing" a bunch of their sacreds even though they come right back after the battle.

>>141959181

Why not just make all of their shit more expensive than the abysia/caelum etc equivalents? Right now the airya seraph and turan sorceror are not only better than their equivalents, they're also substantially cheaper. A mixed-arms nation should pay more than the specialist nations, and somehow Ragha pays the same or less.

>>141959902
Gryphon Riders already have exploss.

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Does Ulm have superior robot waifus?

>>141961476
Just increasing costs is an option, and will likely be done to some extent regardless of other measures.

>>141959902
That runs counter to the base philosophy of the immortals, that the army was always 1,000 ellite soldiers strong due to having 10,000 non-immortals fighting allongside it, then the best of those being promoted into the immortals to replace losses.

>>141961476
>>141959181
Ragha is literally a mary-sue nation.

>>141959181
Ragha is perfectly balanced fuck off mate.

>>141963461
t. gryphon fucker

>>141957802
>Everyone is off playing Stellaris edition

Damn, Stellaris is such a disappointment. It's a decent framework and maybe with three years of patches and $250 of DLC it'll even be great (and knowing Paradox that DLC flood will certainly come), but right now it's so fucking broken, boring and lacking in basic features that I can't bear playing it anymore . At least if the AI was capable of putting up a fight it would be somewhat interesting, but it isn't. I guess multiplayer might save it, but Paradox and multiplayer have never been a winning combination.

>>141963461
illfraud confirmed posting in /domg/

Ragha is possibly the worst designed nation in the game at this point, apart from possibly therodos.

>>141959181
You could give each gryphon rider a given number of extra lives, like 4 or 5, which would be restored for gold whenever they're at a fort.

>>141964087
No, no we couldn't, uness you've managed to figure out how to do it in mod code

>>141962103
No that's Arco

Let's just have Summod rewrite the game lore so MA Ermor and Lemuria never happened

>>141959181

Dropping the Seraph and Sorcerer to a & f paths by 1 would be 100% appropriate.

I also don't think it would would be going too far to remove the Blood and Astral (except on a ~25% random). Its not like any era of Caelum has S access as a notable enough feature for it to carry onto a successor state, and Abyssian blood access is associated with the smouldercone Warlock line.

You maybe could make ~everything~ run off coldrec/heatrec. Even the basic infantry. That might not really end up mattering, though, since most people just go Heat anywat.

>>141964438
Couldn't you copy the units several times, changing the firstshape/woundedshape target, until the last one just dies?

>>141964438
Make the griffon shape firstshape into a secondary ridershape instead of the regular rider shape. e.g.,

Recruitable woundedshape->
Gryphon firstshape->
Rider 2 woundedshape->
Gryphon 2 firstshape ->
Rider 3

Etc.

>>141966928
>>141966964
>which would be restored for gold whenever they're at a fort.
I can do the limitted lives thing, yeah, but the ressetting at a fort?

>>141966283
I guess keep the B on the Karapan & Dastur (no random), since it's thematic and with only B1 it's not very tempting to try to use it.

>>141967090
I didn't suggest that part...

Personally, I don't like it, but it could maybe be done with event coding & a ritual spell to reset the 'lives' of (up to) a certain number of Zhayedan.

>>141967090
How were you planing on doing the goldcost with unlimited lives?

>>141967879
I guess you'd have a research 0 ritual that sets the event code, then always-fire events that transform late-stage Zhayedan into early-stage ones, then an event to reset the event code in that province.

Personally, I think just having 5 lives is plenty.

>>141968139
Immortal (recruited) -secondshape-> Griffon -firstshape-> Griffon with -50 gold generated per turn -firshape->Immortal (recruited)

So, how much do you wish that there were commands for things like limited lives rather than using multiple secondshapes, woundedshapes and so on?

>>141959107
A video game.

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Hey you guysss! New turn!

Sorry for the Stale folks, that's why you should put your turn in before you take any sleeping medication. Literally played the turn and just didn't send it.

>>141970912
sounds like something a loser would like.

>>141972259
That's why it only applies to the people who aren't here right now.

How do I make a commander assume a shape only in combat?

>>141972756
There's a change shape command, it takes up a scripting slot.

>>141972756
poison golems in summod do this via growhp commands. Look at the .dm file.

>>141972756
Growhp less than the normal hp, or shrinkhp greater than the max possible, it's used in summod as >>141972952 said.

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Should I even bother? This game needs a new patch or something so that there's stuff to talk about.

don't die, again

Anon casts twiceborn.

Guess I can't be too surprised that we can't get the last 4 teams when we can't even seem to keep the thread alive.

>>141980421
>gigantic disciples game with premade teams
>surprised that it's taking forever to start
lel

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Mictlan, you may want to call your local animal control, it looks like you have a bat infestaton.

Can someone explain the communion calculator? What does extra gems used mean? Are those gems use to cast the spell?

>>141980893
Honestly I'm surprised that the first 6 teams filled so quickly, and then there's been 0 interest. Was expecting more of a steady trickle (though I'm not surprised it hasn't filled yet). Another disciple game starting up at the same time likely didn't help either.

>>141981168
From what I can see Xibalba appears to pretty much own the entire West rim of the map, from the very north all the way down to where Mictlan is.

>>141981372
Basically, can an A2 Arch Theurg, with four slaves, use a gem to cast Fog Warriors?

>>141982231
No. There's some weird fuckery going on with communions that prevents gem spending above the masters base path level unless you meet the path requirement of the spell you are trying to cast.
An A2 caster can't spend more than 2 air gems, so fog warriors doesn't work.

>>141983193
But you'd be good with 8 slaves, right? (and 3 gems ofc)

>>141983607
Yes, eight slaves would work since the arch theurgs would be A5 at that point.

>>141981168
RIP Mictlan, the first victim of the bats.

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hinnom, I suggest you leave the waters at once, UW jewery is my domain

>>141981372
>Can someone explain the communion calculator?
What part did you want explaining?

>What does extra gems used mean? Are those gems use to cast the spell?
Extra gems are gems used above the base cost of the spell.

For an A4 mage casting fog warriors, you need to spend a total of 4 gems (3 for the spell, 1 extra).

Unfortunately communions don't work well with extra gems, as >>141983193 explained. It's not a bug in the calculator, the game just works oddly.

I AM SORRY FOR THE WOLVES, IF YOU NEED WOLF REPELLENT JUST ASK.

ALSO WHOEVER TURNED OFF THE SUN, WELL DONE, BUT YOU FORGOT TO TURN OFF THE WARMNESS AS WELL.

>>141966964
I'm guessing that sum1won isn't in-thread anymore, but if look at other flying sacreds and other sacred cavalry then even getting 3 or 4 lives for 120g is a hell of a deal.

>>141988402
I turned off the sun and my domain, the TRUE domain, also turns off the warmth.

Not that it matters because we're gonna exterminate you anyway. The only place Vans should live is in Vanheim!

>>141988743
Not sure he was in thread to start with, but the issue is more in terms of how it feels, and as having about 30 events to recoup lives in a fort doesn't help the whole event budget, and feels konda arbitrary, I'm personally not thrilled by that as a solution.

However, I asked because the objective isn't to get the solution that I like the most, it's to find the best mechanical and lore wise solution for domg and the wider community.


An idea would be redoing the entire nation along the lines that Sum1won has done Pythium and its cults, so not based just on heat scales but in terms of which Spahbad is crowned as emperor at the time.

>>141989576
I'M GIANTS NOT ELVES YOU ELVISH TWAT.

>>141989940
Oh, I meant to discard the weird fort-regen thing and just cap them at 4 respawns.

I thought about the Pythium method, too. But afaik he's not ready to commit to such major changes in what is ostensibly a balance mod. It'd be a good companion mod, though.

Should I start another game?

>>141993008
50% lemon, 50% lime.

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>>141994194
Whoops I need to add more.
Did you want orange instead?

>>141993008
>>141994332
Cactus snake/10

>>141994559
Neato

>>141994185
If you're looking to play another game, you should consider joining my blitzserver.net game.
http://blitzserver.net/matches/view/358
I've never played on this map, and wanted to check it out.
Ideally, this game is for 7-14 intermediate players.
The way you join a game on blitzserver is the same as a regular blitz, but instead of an ip you put blitzserver.net, and the port that's listed on the game page (which sometimes changes).

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Yomi I'd like to chat if you have some time. Here is my steam page

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197993705472

I'll be on the train for about 7 hours so that is a decent time to chat via steam chat. I can't access the group chat so just add me.

>>141981168
Mictlan is infested with a desire to enslave their populace and sow unrest, and I am just cleaning up the mess caused by terrible leaders pursuing their own agenda.

>>141981959
I do am not the only person whom holds position on the western side of the map. Abysia, Mictlan, C'tis, all four of us own land close to the western border of this Great Map. Sadly, Mictlan was causing unrest and destruction in their wake, destroying the income of their provinces with constant fighting and enslavement. I was needed to bring order back to their lands. The Abysian Nights up north are trying to spread their horrible religion of Death, Unrest, Slothful living, and the Drain of stifled ingenuity and discovery. Lanka will will be helping me in the endeavor of ridding that Religion of evil from the Great Land of Oeridia. Their willingness to work to right the wrongs perpetrated by terrible politicians is commendable.

>>141996920
joined

>>141996920
I've come into the game, seeking not victory (that would be just absurd) but to stress test moggyserver.

Let's have some fun shall we?

>>141997612
But seriously, what's up with Abysia's Dominion? Is this the Bane Venom Meme again?

>>141999002
Seems so. Not sure about everyone else, but I would rather that not spread across the world. Also, Good Afternoon, C'tis, Ulm, Caelum! It's going to be great finally having neighbors to converse with that don't monkey around(It's a Lanka joke! I crack me up.), or try to spread a deadly dominion.

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Play your turns

Please don't die again.

>>142003984
It's a sacrifice for Illwinter

>>141964002
So what's the best current space 4x?
GalCiv2? Please no Distant Worlds or Aurora.

Whats the best way to expand as YOMI? Ko Oni spam?

>>142005525
It's hard to call one "best" since noe of them are perfect and they all do different things better.

It's somewhere between Master of Orion 2, Sword of the Stars 1, Distant Worlds, Aurora, or I guess Galactic Civilizations 2, but I personally don't like that last one as much. It all depends on what you're looking for in a game and how much autism you can tolerate.

>>142008236
I think Star Ruler deserves a shout out, even if the copious small issues make it pretty much unplayable.

>>142008562
There are a lot of "good if you like them but not great" space 4x games. I personally still like Stars! a lot, but I wouldn't necessarily say it's the best.

>>141997327
I'm not in that game, but Sans Yomi is Malakal.

>>141981825
I think only one team didnt join both, all of the others are in both.
Just wait, we can do it.

>>142008897
It's more that for a long time I loved the shit out of SR and figured it was the best 4x space game. Eventually I got sick of the horrible ship AI and now I'm waiting for a game that comes close to offering what SR offered, without the broken aspect.

>>142008897
>Stars!
>tfw no mineral packet bombing in other games
>tfw no game I know used a similar habitat system
>tfw no remote terraforming of enemy planets in other games
Stars! was great, but the learning curve was Dominions-tier.

>>141997327

Added you.

>>142010117

Literally WHO?

>>142014136
;)

daily reminder that malakal is a girl

>>142014336
Daily reminder that Malakal is a faggot responsible for postponement of VirginDisciples.

>>142015334
Anon!
Girls are for loving, not for bullying.

>>142015334
>>142015464
>Malakal
The one from RPG codex?

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Hey, SansMeme Helheim about? Care to chat? If so add me on steam

http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsteamcommunity.com%2Fprofiles%2F76561197993705472

>>142015616

Yes

Kingofbullies Helheim, are you here?

>>142014336
btw I'm a grill too

>>142017210
Oh
Sorry! I didn't want to annoy you.

Unlike most of the people here, I'm not the stherotyipical guy. I respect girls playing videogames, since playing games shouldn't be restricted to men.

Would you want to play some blitzes with me? add me. Steam name: xXDarkR4zorXx

>>141981168
Pan was right.

>>142006903
Aka-oni or Ao-oni work better since they're a bit tougher

just let it die. We'll see you all in 8 hours

>>142025928
how? what happened?

>>142027635
LA Atlantis has pretty beefy pd commanders. Fenrir probably built up a lot of fatigue in buffing, then ran in with low HP from enemy Dom, and got one-shot by a magic weapon.

>>142027635
He moved his SC pretender into 10 enemy dominion, and died because he had 1 hp.

When forging stuff with multiple paths, does a dwarf hammer discount both paths?

>>142029856
>son of Fenrir
>SC

>>142013275

I loved the shit out of Star Ruler too, but that Scale system needed a serious overhaul. I know it's neat that you could create space stations/ships the size of solar systems, but scaling things up to arbitrary levels just... doesn't work like that. And it just created more needless micro-managing, not to mention the learning curve of figuring out what the fuck scale you were supposed to be building at any given time.

Did Star Ruler 2 fix any of that?

>>142031263

It splits the discount evenly, starting with the primary path. So a Fire Brand costs 4F+4E with Forge Bonus: 2. It'd cost 3F+4E for a mage with Forge Bonus: 3.

>>142031320
He threw his pretender right into the middle of enemy dominion solo, you think he had any idea about good SC choices?

The best part was that Ulm had called Atlantis a scrub in thread right before that fight

>>142013591
How's Aurora?

>>142013591

Oh man I think I still have the CD-Rom for that lying about somewhere. I was like 12 when I first played it, and it was amazing at the time. Especially the mineral packet bombing.

>>142035847
Spreadsheet hell

>>142036461
And awful technical execution

>>142035847
Fantastic, but it requires advanced autism to play.

>>142036658
I'm tempted to agree, although it is quite impressive for being made by one guy.
I also think dominions does a much better job of being playable than games like DF and Aurora despite them also having a lot of depth to their gameplay, which is why I have hundreds of hours in dominions but only a few hours in either of those games.

>>142037448
Dominions has gone through a more iterative design, with 4 versions released and each version improving on the last one. Games like DF just keep adding more shit to the same janky base and while the end result is definitely impressive in some ways, it doesn't leave as much room for re-evaluation and improvement of older concepts.

Also, it pays to keep in mind that DF is the basically the hobby product of a single autistic mind, while Dominions, while still indie and essentially 'amateur' in some ways, is a proper commercial product.

>>142032482
>The best part was that Ulm had called Atlantis a scrub in thread right before that fight


What is up meme Players and Ulm?

>>142038583
Ulm is frequently recommended to new players as a good nation to learn with, and also has the strongest HFY theme which memers love.

>>142038850
>LA Ulm
>HFY

>>141981168
>lol its just coincidence that the same nation fucks shit up in 3 games their not op you just have to get better ;)

Man, everytime we try to have a good friggin war with Ulm, the memes keep intruding on it.

Though I imagine the Armageddon spam is gonna make blood hunting a bit of a pita.

>>142018781
Pan was a bitch who helped bats out more than anyone by forcing the game to restart.

Or Pan is, and always will be, a dirty bat lover.

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>>142040458
>Armageddon spam

The world dies along with me.

t. Lung cancer patient

>>142039835
Don't people generally agree that Xibalba is one of the strongest EA nations? The only EA nations I consider stronger are Lanka and possibly Mictlan.

They're a bit vulnerable to an early rush, but once you get something other than bat troops they're amazing and very hard to fight.

>>142041093
with the way you ran this nation I'm supportive of the Armageddon spam

>>142041359
I'm not sure if that's a compliment or not but I turned Ulm into the biggest nation on the map with top tier research, great gem income (highest barring globals), the most gold income, the most forts, good magical diversity and vampires.

Changing turn interval to 36 hours so that we can have a more relaxing game whilst R'yleh tries to meme everyone to death.

>>142041653
>good magical diversity
sorta true
>great gem income
It's terrible except for astral
>vampires
a whopping 3
>Most gold most fort
won't matter in post armageddon world

lets not forget to mention:
>was only blood hunting 3 locations
>didn't have a single earth mage higher then 3
>maxed out blood 9 even though he was only blood hunting 3 FUCKING SPOTS

>>142041159
>same nation fucks shit up in all 3 games

in game 2 it was more like they got their shit fucked up. Being reduced to pulling a couple dozen slaves per turn, when their northern neighbor was pulling a couple HUNDRED per turn (given what the scouts showed on how many provinces were being bloodhunted), meant that Xibalba pretty much lived at Lanka's leisure.

And that was with the three attackers flailing horribly.

Xibalba is also not an ideal rush target, due to bat raids making it painful (but they have no way to prevent themselves from actually just dying early). They're also incredibly weak to Perpetual Storm, and on a lesser note to Illwinter.

>>142042058
Wait, couple hundred per turn? That early? I know it's Oeridia and all, but holy shit.

>>142041808
>3 vampires

Uh, I think Pythium has (or at least had) more than that. Not sure though.

He's fair on the gem income though, this is an LA game WITHOUT sites being set to 45 for some reason (like NoBully). Gems ain't easy to come by.

>>142042190
That was LAST game, which hit around turn 33ish? I forget off the top of my head, but it was further along than this one.

I have no intel on Lanka or Xibalba in this game, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were pulling in 100 or so slaves already, but probably not multiples of hundreds just yet.

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>>142041808
Literally the most gem income out of anyone barring globals. Blood 9 is needed for Damage Reversal, a very important spell. If you think I was just bloodhunting in three provinces, then perhaps you should check to see where all the members of the second tier are at. Hint: everywhere. You don't need E higher than 3 unless you intend to cast globals or forge artifacts. Earthpower, communions and gems carry you the rest of the way.

The very turn you subbed in I not only won the largest battle in the game to date, I also strategically fucked over Pythium's backdoor invasion by outplaying him not ONCE, but TWICE in the SAME PROVINCE in the SAME TURN.

Do not mistake me for a fool. A fool would not have lasted that long.

>>142042905
you are a fool because your 2nd tier where everywhere, they didn't have sanguine dosing rods, you only had 44 slaves, you had only 3 vampires. literally all your blood hunting was on russian's capital which had 7 blood hunters hunting in 142 Unrest and 82 heavy gold/resource ulmish troopers sent to patro. Sorry senpai but your shit, also you can not underestimate how good Turn 1 army of gold/lead is. and again turn 56 and only 3 FUCKING VAMPIRES

>>142043091
Again, tbf, if he's spamming wrathful skies Army of Gold/Lead is somewhat counterintuitive.

>>142043218
wraithful skies was good since pythium basically had a shit on of chaff. RoS also worked just as well since Pythium couldn't cast Fog warriors but casted blood rain instead

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>>142043091
>Doesn't speak proper English
>Army of X with thunder
>'You can't forge a crystal matrix to do the thing I think is impossible!'
>I let your blood hunters continue hunting and then the unrest got high!
>Rangers are gold/resource heavy!
>They didn't have sanguine dousing rods!
>your

Okay yeah I hope Pythium and Man kick your ass. It's sad to see the great Reich fall under such incompetent leadership.

>>142043465
Wrathful skies is ALWAYS good, if you can prevent your own troops from dying to it.

It's the reason why units with shock resist are so fucking good. And the only sources of those I know of are Caelumites and Storm Demons, but I'm probably missing some somewhere.

>>142043640
Uhhh, LA Ulm mages have 0 Prot. You gonna need to use Army of Lead/Gold later on or they're all gonna die.

Or I suppose you could be fancy and equip them all with items.

>>142043640
you don't patrol with rangers or hummies. you hunt with cheap chaff, Monkies, goblins, hawks, anything like that,also you aren't using rangers you were using Halberds/pikemen

Army of X is proper endgame material for anything, just don't use it with wraithful skies

you only had 2 crystal matrixes, you should have a shit ton more

your unrest on slav capital was 117 when I took over, and using only 80 men to patrol for 7 hunters like not hunting at all

insulting grammar doesn't excuse shit gameplay

and lets not forget it's fucking turn 57, you only had 3 vampires, two of them counts 1 of them a proper vampire, wasn't blood hunting every single province that had a little over 5k, didn't have sanguine dosing rods for better slaves, basically no end game options.

Also damage reversal is a shit spell easily countered by MR

>>142044345
>>142043640
oh and I forgot to mention you had your only vampire lord set to cast hellpower---> spells

literally HELL POWER--->SPELLS

you were horrormarking your only vampire lord and you didn't even have him cast anything important

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>>142044345
>I'm going to spout lies in poor English!

I don't argue with liars, I tell them they're idiots. Continue blaming me for your own incompetence for all I care. The battle against Pythium WAS a lategame fight, and guess what: I won. Just because you are too shit to play with a certain set of assets doesn't mean everyone is. You'd better learn to play and do so fast. Bye.

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And fyi, lies make baby Jesus cry. Kill yourself.

>>142045225
Wait, you were pulling in around 5-6 hundred blood slaves per turn with how big you were, right?

>>142045225
except when I loaded the turn that wasn't there, and I dont' remember seeing any souless rise during that battle, also Rush of Str isn't that important when most of your battle was won through RoS and Fog warriors. If you had casted blood rain that woudd have been interesting. Also if you feel 7 blood hunters is "good" by turn 55 you are deluded. You should have had at least 20 hunters minimal going by this time. Pulling in hundreds of slave a turn, Summoning vampires every turn

How petty do you have to be to shittalk the person you're subbing for? Based on this exchange, you're both retarded scrubs anyways.

>>142046441
I subbed out of a favor to a friend who isn't even the ulm player. The guy already submitted a turn setting himself AI and left the admin to scramble to get a player to sub for him.

>>142046441
He's sandbagging, probably.

>tfw my sub could've dunked me even harder than this but instead he took the time to outline his plans for how to best make us of what I left for him and point out the areas I had been successful in

Thank you, Adolf Steeler, for helping me appreciate what I've been given.

>>142048108
no problem. this is why you should always communicate with your sub instead of running off and leaving other players to pick up your pieces instead

>>142042058
Even surviving is pretty impressive against 3 attackers (of presumably comparable size). I suspect that may have been down to a difference in skill rather than nation choice, though.

>Xibalba is also not an ideal rush target, due to bat raids making it painful (but they have no way to prevent themselves from actually just dying early).
Yeah, they can make a rush painful for the attacker. However, they're probably still going to lose if you hit them before they get mage support ready.

>They're also incredibly weak to Perpetual Storm, and on a lesser note to Illwinter.
Illwinter is limited to one nation who is likely to get invaded by other people to stop the attacks.

Perpetual Storm is a problem for Xibalba, but it's mainly a problem on the strategic map. They still have most of their toolkit for fights. Unless you make use of it to outmaneuver Xibalba with teleporting or storm-immune forces, Perpetual Storm will mainly just slow them down to moving a province at a time.

Xth for Waen is small and cute

>>142048701
>Perpetual Storm
That reminds me, does anyone have experience with it as Caelum? Being able to cast Stormpower more easily is a big plus, and so is being able to ground some of your troops such that they do their blocking duty better (while still being able to use storm-fliers when needed), but you lose strategic mobility on your A2 casters and that's a huge blow in my opinion. Anyone have experience with that, was it worth it?

>>142048701
That was most certainly a difference in skill. And somewhat a difference in charisma, as Xibalba was capable of bringing in more allies against Pan, despite being Xibalba, and roleplaying as Trump.

>>142049549
Waen is literally Belgium to Janvaldorf and Gyth's France and Germany.

>>142050609
no, Waen is Vietnam, Gyth is Soviet union

>>142048701
I can confirm that I was not in a good place in Armemgeddon, what with the horrible people in charge of the provinces in my vicinity. Lanka in that game was very clear when they talked to me that they wished for me to stay alive as long as possible to receive all the global hate, and nation attacks while they focused soley on Research, site searching, and Summoning undead until they felt comfortable killing 4-5 people simultaneously, at which point they would roll over myself and the weakened nations around me.

And of note, Perpetual storm does more than just reduce map movement for Xibalba. With Perp. Storm up Xibalban units cannot fly in battles, removing any usefulness of their basic units, and severely limiting their Sacreds' combat ability. With proper mage support and armies scripted with no flight in mind, it isn't a big deal, but the initial turns before you have the setup can be a massive blow to Xibalba, and can easily lose them a war if done at the right time.

>>142050404
It pissed me off how much more reasonable and affable Xibalba was despite Trumping it all up. I was literally one turn from taking a chunk out of Pan and feeding it to the bats before Badmin ruined it.

>>142050404
See, that's what I like to hear! You, Sir, have a good eye for what is, and what isn't! If you just so happen to be in MemegeddonIII, I would absolutely like to talk with you. We might actually be the whole map apart, but I'll be damned if I won't find a way to work with, support, and make gains from someone that can recognize the facts when he sees em.

>>142050846
Of further note, Ozzies without flight are really just shitty Se'ir.

>>142051350
>working with a diplomonster Xibalba

no thanks.

>>142046718
To be fair, setting yourself AI means the admin doesn't need to find someone to do it if there aren't any subs. And he said he was going AI in thread ahead of time.

It's a lot better than the majority of people who just go AI or stale silently when they leave, even if he didn't give much notice.

>>142049931
I've never used it as Caelum, but when playing them I find the mobility to be the best part of the nation. I'd probably need to be hurting enemy mobility at least as much to consider casting it.

On the other hand, I tested Perpetual Storm in singleplayer and your mages still have 2/8 movement (and ignore terrain penalties). So that's less of an issue than I expected, though being unable to attack from multiple provinces away is a big loss.

>and so is being able to ground some of your troops such that they do their blocking duty better
Just use line formation, I'm fairly sure fliers will walk in that case.

>>142050846
By the time I had to deal with it as Xibalba, pretty much all my armies had phased out the standard bats. Perpetual Storm lost me a turn of movement orders, but nothing else (and I was expecting war so I had bat squads stealthed in his lands already).

I guess if someone rushed directly for Perpetual Storm and cast it during midgame things might be different.

>>142051443
Even without flight they're nearly as good as Se'ir, which is amazingly strong.

They're also about 30% cheaper than Se'ir once you get to Rain of Jaguars.

>>142052173
I admit I was pretty harsh. To give some credit His early and mid game was very good and Ulm won't die anytime soon.

>>142052173
>Just use line formation, I'm fairly sure fliers will walk in that case.
Wow, I didn't know that.

>>142052528
I remember if you use hold and attack it messes with that line formation stopping flying thing, of course in perp. storm it won't matter

>>142051574
Then don't look at it as working with me. I don't go into a meet thinking, "Man, can't wait to help out this guy!" No Way, José! I walk into that meeting thinking, "How am I gonna make the best deal, the one that's gonna get me what I want, and make them so happy about it they want to do business again?" An attitude like that is what you need when you want to make a deal with someone. You know who goes around, stepping around issues, refusing to work with someone because it might help them? Liers, cheats, scumbags, the worst kind of people. You aren't that kind of person, I can tell; a person like that can't acknowledge the strengths of others positively.

Now, remember that when you go in to make a deal, you are not doing things for the other guy, you are doing things for you, and the other guy is going to help you get there. You walk into a talk with an attitude like that, and your gonna get things done. Now I can see if you don't think you are gonna get a good deal, and that's why you want to skip the talks. I can completely agree, before I go up to someone, I think-I think, what's the worst thing that could happen? And if it's something I can't deal with, something that isn't helping me, then I won't do it. I'll say "No thanks, I'd rather not," and find some other way to go about it. I can agree if that's what you are doing. But never turn down a deal because it helps the other guy; helping the other guy is what's letting you get what YOU want out of it. You're a good guy, a smart guy, I trust you'll make your own decisions, and believe me when I say I sincerely hope they will turn out great for you.

--Warmest Regards, Pantokr B. Trump

Pantokr B. Trump: Making this thread Alive again.

>>142052498
Don't worry, I know the feeling of subbing in and wanting to rant about how stupid the old player was.

For what it's worth, most of your complaints sound pretty valid; it's just that one I had an issue with.

>>142052528
A lot of people don't seem to know about line formation stopping flying, Xibalba in Flatus apparently screwed up big time and lost a massive army that way.

>>142052639
Interesting, I didn't know that.

>>142051443
Ozzies are a lot cheaper than Se'ir.

>>142050609
This is Kannon
>>142050798
and this is Nick

amirite?

>>142055175
nope, try again son of belmont

>>142056387
>castlevania memes
if you like lord of shadows i'm going to hate you so much

>>142057575
nonsense. my favorite is Bloodlines/Super Castlevania IV

>>142057683
<3<3

you are based, Aran-kun

am i a casual if i like aria of sorrow the most?

>>142057808
not aran either try again. Also original Aria of sorrow is best, remake was okay but a tragedy all the same

>>142053703
It was only something like 500 zotz or so, nothing huge.

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I have so many vampires I don't know what I'll do.

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>>142053703
>>142061854

Yeah, Xibalba actually lost quite a few major battles to Ragha early on.

Didn't really matter, though, because even a retarded sea sponge could win as Xibalba starting on the blood plane with the fucking Shattered Throne gifted to them.

I really should have just gone AI the turn they claimed that.

>>142058172
too lazy to guess more, sorry

but whoever you are, you have a great taste

>>142063203
What the fuck is this map?

>>142063203
Well, if the demons are too much of an issue, should I begin the Genociding?

I have enough to cast it every turn for the next . . . oh . . . about forever.

>>142063645
Eye cancer.

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>>142063356
thanks for the compliment

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>>142063656

Well thankfully cats are afraid of water, so for the moment they're still contained on their little island of infinite income.

Genocide is fine by me; it's not like I'm swimming in population in my wasteland empire.

>>142064057
It reminds me of custom Worms maps on Amiga.

>>142063656
>>142064201
Please no.

>>142063203

What're you bitching about? You angry that your invasion failed or something. I thought you were coming back with double that?

>>142063656

Can we at least kill the snake before we start destroying the world?

>>142064446
>>142064835

Relax, I still have a bunch of immortals wandering around in backlogs without my dominion (most of them bloodhunting)

I'd rather not explode my vampires . . . or my researchers, cause unlike SOME people, I still have to do that.

Also I've seen the gem income graphs, as long as C'tis is well above me genocide isn't exactly in my interest (unless I get invaded my Mictlan all of a sudden).

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How are you guys feeling about this ULM Wish spam?

>>142066906
I hadn't heard about the innovative "blood hunting nation kills their own population" tactic before

>>142067270
>R'lyeh
>blood nation

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>>142067389
I know it's R'lyeh, I was making an attempt at humour.
faggot

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>mfw there are no underwater pure maidens

>>142068402
>he didn't take blood on his pop kill nation

>>142068402
>All underwater maidens are 100% sluts
This is the deepest lore

>>142068513
What an utter scrub. Then again, I'm only getting like 100 slaves per turn atm.

>>142068530
Theoretically I think cave sluts could be deeper, but you've more or less got the right idea.

>>142068513
>>142068679
>implying
>implying implications

>>142068402
I wish i could hug you and love you tenderly, anon.

>>142068402
Damn mersluts.

>People who deliberately pick EA Xibalba, MA Ermor or LA Ragha because they are shit at Dominions

>>142073550
>having fun is BAD

I'll agree that the last two are mechanically unbalanced (I don't have much real experience with EA Bats) but not to the point that you can mindlessly faceroll over halfway competent players.

Plus I'm a big fan of what summod has done with Ermor.

>>142065485
It is, actually. Genocide is less killy for ghosts than skelemans. You can clear out a fair bit of his reanimated chaff.