/wotg/ - World of Tanks General

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2016/04/30/9-15-hd-vs-9-14-sd-video-model-comparison/

anime is degenerate trash

Would you keep the AMX 30 or the WZ-120 ? I want to keep a good tier 9 but not two because muh credits

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First for the 110 being a piece of shit tank. Worse grind than the Ghi-Ri.

>>140595295
git gud, keep both

black prince buff when

Fatton buff when

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Please explain this.

>>140596304
sekrit dokuments tovarish)))))

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>>140596304

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>>140596304

2 caller clan thread

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>>140597120
>meanwhile E75 and E50M side skirts don't even have hitboxes

should have won the war )))))))))

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>>140597410
>Pz.Kpfw. IV Schmalturm cage armor to this day doesn't have hitboxes as well

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post things that trigger try-hards

>>140598128
>post things that trigger try-hards
>posting someone that triggers nobody
congratulations here is ur (you)

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>be sniper tank
>get punished for sniping


oh well
at least skoda didnt listen to lorraine when he was sperging out "omg stop cap" while i was desperately trying to stop KT, E75, jgtiger and IS from coming back to base to reset cap

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>this triggers the shitter

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>>140598306
>i-i'm not t-triggerd a-at aall y-you idiot! >.<

>>140598128
I don't have a picture for losing clan war defences

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>>140598128

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>562 games and nearly 6th skill
female crews are awesome but are they worth playing arty for?

>>140598306
my crew icons

>>140599332
Considering all tier 10 mediums except E-50M have a 3 or 4 person crew, then no you don't need arty

Suppose it's a good day to play the M103, M48 and Bulldog with it a significant day during the Vietnam war :^)

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I love this mod

>>140600007
>World of Tanks
>boatsluts
???

Finally got my Stug IV, because I started playing arty. Have been trapped by the arty scumbag-meme.

Should not listen to stupid Jangles.

>>140602345
>not just getting the other 4 classes with honours
pleb

>>140602345
>needing to play arty to get the stug
t. tomato

>>140602345

>killing anyone, regardless of skill with the push of a single button while being nowhere near danger
>thinks he isn't a scumbag

wew lad

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>>140602345
>listening to jingles
there is the source of the problem

>>140602503
Have all four classes with honors now, patrician.

>>140602562
I'm pretty sure you have to play arty to get the Stug IV.

>>140602824
Good thing we have arty, eh? Otherwise every battle would be won by the best armored turrets.

>>140602997

apparently you are a full-time scumbag

>>140602997
>I'm pretty sure you have to play arty to get the Stug IV.
no

>>140602997
>I'm pretty sure you have to play arty to get the Stug IV.
and i am pretty sure that rule only apply s to shitters who cannot get the secondary condition on the other 4 classes

>>140603257
I laugh, when I play arty. They can't see me, they can't kill me.
Oh the joy!

>>140603723
I didn't know that. Could have saved me a lot.

post something about tenks you fags

>>140605356
I want to kill myself whenever I play but I love tanks still
Wargaming wanna ruin my fun :(

Type 59 really needs a pen and mobility buff.

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So this is what the games looks like to siemas

>>140605580
Gun handling and mobility, pen is fine
It's not "OP" anymore

>>140605587
it's a divine feel, isn't it

>>140605816
ugh disregard that post. i thought you meant the view from above, not the graphics

>>140605783
It never was "OP".

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good solid tank

>>140606047
Had awful games in that yesterday, probably just kms

>>140606047
now play against tier 10s :^)

Question to purple/blue players who aren't inconsistent trash like myself, how do you stay consistent every game?

>>140606350
literally just shoot tanks

>>140606378
Ok scenario, you spawn north in T-10 on el halluf, you get clicked by arty for 900 health and hull down st-I and there's nothing you can hit without peekaboo and dying. So you just shoot tanks in this instance?

>>140606047
I should never have sold my IS-8. Did not know it would become the T-10.

>>140606520
they aren't better than you, they just load gold a lot and be in platoons most of the time

>>140606520
just go to the medium ridge and don't get clicked

>>140606350
dont suicide rush and read the map

aim for 1:1 HP damage ratio for starters

AMX 40 buff when?

>>140606852
I don't suicide rush and I know maps, been around long enough for that
It's just I can't stay consistent so I either get rushed, clicked or go to a flank where I end up doing little damage because the enemy is on the other flank and they die fast

>>140606917
but it's already fun

>>140606917
When Pointy Haired Jedi pays WG enough rubels.

>>140607032
>consistent
who cares? nobody does their average damage constantly, I go from 500 to 4000 all the time, as long as you have 2+ good games for every shit game you can get plenty of 0 damage games and still have good dpb and win rate and everything

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>finally getting near the end of grinding a really shitty tank
>you know the next one is even worse

So it's as simple as logging in to WoWS to get the 3 days, don't have to do a dumb mission or play a battle

>>140607489
yeah

>>140607381
That sucks. Which monstrosity is it?

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Friendly reminder to confirm your team for the Tier 4 1v1 today. Registration ends in 1 hour

Also don't forget to actually put yourself in the line up when special battle pops up

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3 games in 50 minutes, possibly 4 games in 1h40, and several potential x5s coming!

be there or be a nigger

>>140607381

must be the amx 12t

>>140608062
i will be

t.benched person

>>140608178
But the AMX 12t is a great little tank, and is the AMX 13 75!

>>140608062
I'll be there to lose if you know what I mean :)

>>140608759
t. Cipher

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>>140608759
Hi Cipher :)

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>The Sherman Jumbo
This thing is literally OP in tier 6 games, holy fucking shit.

>>140597120
wtf that looks like it's only 1mm or something

Who has a rope

What's everyone running for the T4 tourney? I'm thinking the ST might be good cause of that juicy fire rate.

>>140609121
It's annoyingly bouncy for a medium tank, especially if angled well.

>>140609717
I don't know what the ST is but I'm running the pz 3

italian tanks when?

if you're not running an M3 Lee you're a fagit

>>140609717
AMX 40

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>>140610156
Soon!

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wg pls

>>140610156
I'm not knowledgeable about Italian tanks. Did they even make any intended for use against other tanks, or were they just armored cars to keep the colonized populations down?

>>140610397
They all had spray paint on board for when they inevitably switched sides.

>>140610357
enjoy your 1km/h

>>140610357
A7Vs would just be huge boxes of XP. Clearly meant for premium tier II.

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>>140610160
>mfw shitting on m3 lee's in my shiny new pz 3

>>140610579
2017 new years gift tank is found then.

Is it worth putting the "better" turret on the Jumbo? It has way less armor but can fit the M1A2, which isn't even much better than the M1A1.

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>>140610628

>>140561201
Would be nice if the repair consumable worked like it did in world of tanks blitz

>use repair consumable
>fix module
>has 90 second cooldown before it can be used again

>>140610939
stock turret with the derp gun, anything else is tryhard on the Jumbo

who here /ciphers guaranteed loss/ team

>>140610939
Stock turret with either the 76 or the 105.

I have enough resources to advance in either my T29 (burgerfat heavies) or my T25 AT (burgerfat casemate tank destroyers) with enough free XP to skip to the final package

Which line would be worth it? Keep in mind I want another Tier X so that's the end goal.

>>140596304
Early versions had thin spaced armor, later versions had thicker spaced armor. Thats a picture of an early version IS3

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CW NOW

>>140611497
fuck off dolan

NOFUN MEMBERS GET THE FUCK ON.

>>140611116
>be driving my jt 88
>HE ammo racked from an insane angle for minimum damage
>repair it
>HE hits my front plate for 0 damage
>ammoracked again

well i guess a 10 second reload aint so bad

>>140611716
pretend you're a real jagdtiger

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>>140611497
CW!

Calling the new balance overhaul now before its released

>HP of tanks tiers 1 to 4 will be buffed
>HE penetration will be nerfed
>removal of stupid gun choices on tanks which have them
>Increased traverse speed on tank destroyers
>decreased aim time for tank destroyers

>>140611849
bretty good senpai/10

>>140611934
>HE penetration will be nerfed
You mean like even more?

>>140597410
They will be getting hitboxes in 9.16 apparently

>>140611934
>Increased traverse speed on tank destroyers
don't be silly

>>140607381
Black Prince?

>>140611468

Stop shitposting and answer this newfags question :(

Xbone version too if that makes a difference in armor or models or whatever

>>140611934
>>Increased traverse speed on tank destroyers

>posted from my t28 after i drove up the middle in prok and want to shoot both flanks

>>140612426
T29 you uninformed retard

>>140611468

PC fag here, but i'd probably go for the T29. It's a solid tonk and the T110E5 is pretty good at T10. The T32 and M103 are pretty okay tanks too.

>>140612426
someone bought an xbone?

>>140612686
no namecalling pls tbqh

>>140612697
Burgerfat Heavies it is. Time to Make America Great Again.

Thanks.

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>>140610397
They were alright. Well their tank destroyers were anyways. tiers 1-4 would probably be their medium and light tanks, anything afterwards would be prototypes and paper tanks. Their tank destroyers could probably be stretched to tier 6 before going to prototypes

Didnt have much at all for Arty except for an experimental 149mm SPG which was close to seeing service before italy surrendered.

>>140596304
>>140611493
You got it backwards, the original design and early IS-3s had the 30mm spaced armor; later all IS-3s were modernized and the spaced armor was replaced to save weight, that's why there's no pictures of the original armor.

>>140612797
Thanks. Sounds like Italian tanks could be interesting.

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>you will never be able to pay like 5k gold to convert a tank into a premium tank so it's a crew trainer and makes good credits

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Hmmm

>>140613372
>SaWse so inner circle he gets to play 2 accounts

>>140613372
>sawse
>sawse_clicker

rofl nofun tards exposing account sharing
please post when you get banned i want to know how long it takes for support to suspend shared accounts

>>140613454
3 (three)

>>140613454
3 accounts

>>140613554
>account sharing.
King SawSe ran 3 instances of world of tanks at the same time in the same game and we still won.

>>140613554
no account sharing, pure sawse multiboxing skill

>>140613554
>I haven't read the EULA since 2011
rofl

>>140613669
absolute madman

>>140614650
pls stop
im already fantasizing too much about sawse

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>>140614650
I'd fug Seo

>>140614650
Seo needs to be the blonde desu senpai

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>>140614650
tango should be a grill
Otherwise great.

>>140614715
>not krill
shit taste desu

>>140614828
Mongols aren't blonde though

>>140614845
>tango
>inner circle

>>140614873
sawse is obviously the hottest

>>140614650
>sawse is a roastie titcow

i'll allow it

>>140614650
>sawse a coalburner


AHAHAHAHHA

>>140614845
no please if i become a grille 15cm my BF will talk to me even less

When will we get AMX Chaffee?

Miku hangar don't work anymore?

>tfw no BENIS in 1v1 memeIV
>only 2 people have higher rating than me
>i'm yellow
>1 guy only has 61 battles

which gun is the go to gun on the pzIII?

>>140615373
the 5cm m8

What's the best czech tank? Currently at tier V and they're decent alright, but nothing special.

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>>140615373
>people actually going to bring a luchs to the tournament
>only 300 clip potential
>the good tanks have more hp than that
>panzer 3 has more xp than that and is as fast

>>140615373
>1v1 memeIV
did that happen already? i am not good with timezones

>>140615863
2 hrs from now

>>140613173
t. SerB

>its an STKS comes into TS and posts normie shit while taking peoples points episode

So, is there any way to play this game without raging like a mofo?

>>140616632
get gud & fire skill rounds

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Who /inner circle meme/ here?

how can I get more than 30x zoom?

>>140616632
play a tank with a good engine and push teammates into the open

>>140617273
Mods

>>140616632
don't play to win. just sit back and farm damage

>>140617410

yeah that's the thing, all the zoom mods only go to 30x, if I enter a higher number it won't do it ingame

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>>140617208
right here

>>140617461

so basically, play a td?
kind of makes sense, I have the highest wr with tds and usually get mastery after just about 10 - 20 rounds with a new td

>>140611468

T29 good tonk leads to T110E5.

>>140617504
Oh you're right, I can't find one higher than 30x now. Last zoom mod I had was in like 9.4 and I'm sure it went to x64 or some shit

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>>140617504

anime removal when

>>140618185
for you
http://www.mediafire.com/download/is80fvzeq8gcozn/Nishizumi_Miho_Voice_modv1.2.zip

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>>140618185
soon

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hello tenkers!

pls rember that when u tank an feel scare or fighten never forget ttimes wen u feeled happy wen u win battles

wen day is dark always rember happy day

>>140618387

This always gets an awwww out of me.

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Need more [NOFUN]s online in 40 minutes.

Somehow, we have 4 Battles.
Please come online to avoid technical defeats.

t. inner circle

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Do I trust this?

>>140618528
scans are meaningless, proper malware is tested against all AV software before being released, meaning it'll be undetected.

>>140618528
>mod file
>exe
have you tried not being retarded

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>>140611849

>>140618528
no

>>140618528
you really think someone would post harmful files on the internet?
you need to be a bit more trusting, anon.

>>140618528
Do you want the mod or not?

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hard life

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>>140617208
there is no such thing as the inner circle

>>140618528
>install it
>now I have a pop up that says I have to give money to some TOR site

>>140619190
babbys first time outside of a console system

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>>140618725

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>>140619170
>losing hp

>>140618094

but does it actually work with the current version? those mod pack menus are often outdated

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Why didn't anyone tell me the Jumbo was so based?
>Just made a T-34-85 literally cry in chat because my armor is "OP"
>IS bitches that he bounced off of the back of my armor
This is glorious, keep those Red tears coming Communist cucks.

>>140613329
>>you will never be able to pay like 5k gold to convert a tank into a premium tank so it's a crew trainer and makes good credits
But You can get a shitty reskin, namely the Berlin Trio. Or PattonKR or STA2 in 9.15

>>140619976
>shitty
>berlin trio
They are better than their counterparts though

>>140619847
for memeing in the jumbo, are we still supposed to use the first turret?

>>140620667
yes, and the 105mm.

>>140620667
That is why I used. The derp and stock turret is apparently the number one way to make commie cucks cry.

>>140620667
2nd turret used to be okay due to an overlapping mantlet, but it got nerfed hard with HD and even tier 5s can shoot straight through it now. Despite the shitty guns the stock turret is the only real choice.

>>140620734
>>140620770
but muh view range

why does the better turret have like 0 armour according to the stats

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>>140620770
>that is why I used

>>140620946
>View range
The Jumbo is literally a heavy tank. In Tier 6 games assuming you don't let the entire enemy team shoot at you you should be able to sweep the fucking field. Obviously you need a semi-competent team, but it is fairly easy if you know what you're doing. Gold spammers are the Jumbo's worst nightmare, though.

>>140618501
reminder that we still need at least 4 more people to fill the games in 10 minutes.

please actually come online [NOFUN]s

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>>140621358
games are up, be online you memers

Come on fellow NOFUNs, we need more players for CW

>>140622245
No i'm playing in the 1v1 memey

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Got my first ever mark of excellence on my tankfu.
Now if only I could stop sucking with heavy tanks.

>mfw always die first and have the least damage done because i take the lead of the charge and get destroyed within seconds

>>140624237
You are honorabru credit to team

>>140624404
No he's not.

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>>140624237

>mfw i do this on purpose so i can stop and go do fun things instead

>>140624404
>>140624439
>>140624237

was referring to CW btw

>>140624619
oh

>people in the last x5 get to play again

>>140624237
>have an entire team of elite statsfag damage farmers
>nothing gets done because they're all vaginas

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>>140625427
inner
circle

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>>140625427

>>140623952
fag here with mark on t150 and IS. watch wotreplays, get the right skills and equipment.
Need more help, ask me

>>140626875
>1 mark

You get 1 mark by fucking breathing properly.

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>in 1v1 tournament
>do something else for an hour 30 minutes before the tournament starts
>miss my first few games
god damnit

>>140619441
what are you even trying to say ? You have 60k games without ever getting a scratch on your tank ?
0.5/10 for getting me to reply.

>>140626981
this

i've got marks on all my tier 5+ tanks, even the ones i do shitty in

>NA Least

>>140627140
>be me
>lose to shitter tanks
>beat the better ones
wew

>>140618528
Just get a safe modpack that has it, shitter. And why would you need it ? Just got Top Gun in a Sturmpanzer without it.

>>140626981
>t. the best player on NA

You don't. The system is messed up like the mastery system, and I'd be very lucky to see ONE mark in my entire team.

>>140627757
lol

>>140627757
lmao, you have to actually be braindead to not get 1 mark on any tank.

>>140625448
doesn't work like that yellowfriend

>>140627757
You best be baiting, literally everyone gets 1 mark

>>140627757
t. somebody who dies in the first minute of the game and complains that the team didnt support

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This tournament is just too hard this week.

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Can someone buy me ten gold so I can demount this safely?
before you ask, yes I am that much of a fuck that I can't afford to just buy another

>>140628191

benis probably has 10 gold in the treasury

>>140628335
Wait no Oberst took it all.

>>140628191
>medium calliber
>medium
>can't afford

KYS
Y
S

>cw
>relevant

pick on

>>140628335
no I took it all

>>140628191
just go take five dollars from someone's wallet and give it to your mom so you can use her credit card
and stop being so shit it's only 200k

>>140628453
you think us tomatoes can earn 200k in less than two weeks?
do you even play with pubbies?

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>join special battle
>don't get picked
Fucking Inner Circle

>>140628080
Even players from TERMS on EU say this. Google them and tell me that they have grey stats

>>140628837
>Not earning 200k in 10 games

>>140628837
i made like 4 million last week
quit being a shitter

>>140628105
>you get afks
>I get Hetzers
sonofabitch

>>140629084
>>140629140
if you lived the tomato life you would know it's lucky if you earn more than 1k a match above tier 5

>>140628657
get one good premium tank to assuage all your jewish worries.

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This thread needs more spurdo.

>>140629381
reminds me of that guy that bought all the premiums and shot only gold rounds but still only managed to get third mastery in his favorite tank

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>>140629559

>>140614650

>Alan the guy in blue

This is not befitting of someone of such caliber

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>>140629807

>>140629631
It's people like him that keep the lights on in Serb's palace.

>>140629842
nice try alan

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>>140630028

>>140629257
>can only earn 1k a game
wew

even if I yolo at the end I can still make 20k in tier 8 non premium tank

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>>140631004

Well, no, you can't. Consistently.

>>140631161
consistently 50% of the time i can
>which is the forced win rate

:^)

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>>140631531

Which is not consistent.

>>140631704
>""unchanging in achievement or effect over a period of time.""

but that's where you are wrong friendo

>you sold your jumbo

>>140629084
>not earning 200k in 2 games
Wew lad

>>140629038
join every battle today, just get picked once, because all the yellow shitters came back to get points. so the yellows are innersircle now?

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>don't bring a pz 4 d to the tourney, they said
>last guy is undefeated, bounce his hetzer derp's gold round at point blank range and kill him
Anita has blessed my crusade.
Suspendisse non velit!

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italian tanks when?

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Do they fuck inside the Te-Ke?

>>140632792
I mean as a bare minimum with no premium time/tank

>>140632792
t. premium account CDC from the red line

>>140632810
>came back to get points
everyone in the games tonight has been here pretty much the whole time

>>140632908
>Shooting HEAT at a tank with 30 armour
He deserved it.

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>Steel Foxes soundmod doesn't work with latest update
Send help

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>>140632018

50 % is far from consistent, no matter what time period.

Ich you better come online and play tomorrow you nigger so we can get 35 tanks total

>>140634082
LWLWLWLWLWL
>not consistent
kill yourself ameribear

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The gift that keeps on giving!

>>140635064
What is this, chain TOG gifting?

>increase max bitrate
>webm has a lower bitrate than the last
fuck making webms

>>140635064
>chief still has part of the TOG in his garage because it hasnt traveled far enough from transfers in other garages
ill go ahead and remove myself now

>>140635514
Resize it you nigger

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>>140634694

Well, it is not.

Try harder in your math class.

>>140636060
try harder in english class, nigger

either you are trolling, or the word you mean is something other than consistent

BENIS you faggots lets run some T6 SH

>>140634397
o-ok dolan

>>140637424
that wasn't me, but yeah come on man we can still put you in the top 8k maybe

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>disconnected twice
>in the same match
>get full golded by a cent 1 when back

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Are there any interesting crew mods or are they all anime girl mods?

Anybody make webms? Requesting the bounce and kill on this one pls
http://wotreplays.com/site/2660021#mittengard-anitas_big_burger-pz_kpfw_iv_ausf_d

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>It's another "Team is complete shit and is literally incapable of thinking and breathing at the same time" Episode

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>>140635064
Good man.

>>140638897
How do I into Alex Jones mode?

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>>140638897
>it's another "bottom tier wolf pack thinks they're relevant and feeds 4 kills" episode

Who the fuck kicked Steel Inferno from Benis?

>>140640857
Me, he was inactive

TOG II* buff when?

>>140640907
What, is there a roster size limit? He doesn't play much lately but only plays with BENIS.

Also has a ton of experience.

>>140640907

Don't really see much reason to kick inactives until we're getting close to the player cap.

>>140641052
He can reapply when he returns

Dat Benis dictatorship

>>140641165
What's your criteria for inactive anyways?

>>140641350

Says 28 days in the clan description.

>>140641385
kek, totally reasonable when there's absolutely no benefit to kicking.

>>140641543

BENIS is the new THIRD

>play safe meta tank
>do well
>be bored
>play niche/gimmick/non meta tank
>do half as much damage in a good game
>have tons of fun
What is this feeling?

>>140641860

Being a shitter.

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>1v1 tournament
>crash while loading in
>reconnect to game on 19 hp

>>140641543
The less people in the clan the better tbqh

>just used my exceptions to get back my church III and SU 85I

the SU is fast and gets me in trouble but the church is an XP sponge 1k xp every game wew

>>140642043
But where is the satisfaction in carrying a bunch of tards in random battles? If I kill 6-8 tanks on my own that means half the team did fuck all, this isn't a fun way to look at the game.

>>140643116
>>140642085
how the fuck did you luck into a bracket with shitters

>>140643116
What map is that?

>>140643926
Uh, it's a weird name, but you only see it in tier 3 and under

>>140643926

Mittengard

Tier 10 on Mittengard when

Gamble to see who even makes it down the hill before melting

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>>140643116
Yes goyim bring your luchs to the tournament

>>140643789
I don't know but I missed the first 4 games so I couldn't take advantage of it
>>140643926
Mittengard

>>140643116
>>140644421
Are you using cheat-mods, because your aim is all over the place?

>>140641019
I'm still on the fence about buying one

>>140644831

looks like he's just looking around without bothering to lock the gun

>>140644831
It's a replay, I'm using free cam so it doesn't follow my gun, and I autoaimed on the luchs as soon as he was spotted. Then the cursor bugs out in the replay.

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anyone else here unironically watch qb's videos?

>>140646163
I watch 3 or 4 videos on a premium tank before deciding to buy one and his videos come up sometimes.

>>140646301
Has there ever been a "bad premium" anyway? Some of the low-tiers might be iffy, but all the expensive ones are at least "pretty good".

>>140646687
I don't buy the expensive ones.
I don't have any normal tanks in those tiers

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>>140645243
>>140641019
>tog needing a buff

I'm a shitter and it performs well against non OIs and kv2s

git gud

>>140646687
FV201 (45) was ridiculously expensive if you bought it and it's a terrible tank for $50.

>>140647256
>800 dpg

>>140646687
Kanonpanzer. Most of the Brit premiums are bad to mediocre. Panther 88 isn't great.

>>140647435
58% win rate in it though
>hard to farm damage when you have to keep W pressed to keep up with the enemies melting

>>140646163
I watch the tank reviews.

I don't now why it would be taboo in here, he statistically would crush most of us.

>>140647956
OH MY WORD

>>140647956
I would crush him, if I had a re-roll account and a GF. ;__;

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hmmm

>>140651714
>>140651854
>>140652334
>>140654669
???

Look mods, we weren't going to actually kill your arabic bull.

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>I want to join your worship so that we can fight al-Assad and start the sand castle
what did he mean by this?

>>140655170
He wants your penises to kiss

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>>140655170
>mfw I thought the Benis Caliphate was just a meme

>>140655665
that's nofun

>>140655170
>we can fight al-Assad
>wanting to fight the ally

not BENIS but would not accept

>>140656589
Abu Hajaar was ISIS senpai

SKIRMISH POPPING IN 10 MINUTES!! GET IN HERE NIGGERS!!

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>>140656834
pardon my ignorance, i've not kept up with british groups

Khalron get online fgt

>>140656589
look at the date format, it's not an american clan.

>t71
>be god of rape every battle

>bulldog
>usually go full siema kurwa

why am I bad

>>140657323
>i've not kept up with british groups
top banter

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Today my autism increased

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Fuckin nice

>>140654669
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM3ElTvF52I

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Haven't played this game since they started introducing British and Chinese tanks, has much changed? Is tank battle stuff better than War Thunder again?

>>140662952
no

>>140662952
New physics

WTGF was never been good

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Count em up wotg