Steel Ocean /sog/ Admiral

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Yodo!

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Headpats

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>see enemy team
>first thing in my head is "I have to kill fucking everything"

>WR is 36%
help me

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>>140087812
>>WR is 36%
You might as well kill yourself right fucking now.

>>140087812
Jesus christ anon, at least tell you have less than 100 matches played.

Please tell me that.

>>140088375
46 games played

>>140088610
Then it's nothing, just get better and don't get worse

>>140088610
You are fine then anon, worry when you get to +1000 with less than 50%

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>>140088885
Friendly reminder that there's "people" with over 3k games played and they're under 50%. They also want to be treated with respect.

>>140088823
>>140088885
literally lost all my games in U-2A and Farragut ahhhhhhhhh

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>>140089310
>U-2A

I will always suggest new players to play other lines before playing subs, since a big part of the sub gameplay requires knowledge on how the other classes behave.

This game is essentially WoT SPG mode: the game. I can't believe it exists

>>140089310
Never play subs

>people that have 1k+ matches and go to tier 3
WHY
LITERALLY CANCER

ISFHYGDDT

>>140090080
Thank you for the bump /WoWsg/!

>>140090842
yw.

I'm still happy to see a small game that a tiny group of people enjoy. even if its a very bad game

>>140090632
I need my free 6 torpedo event

>>140091030
but it's a good game.

>>140092181

Don't mind him, the only people from /wowsg/ that has actually played this game dropped wows, that's a fact.

>>140089773
subs are almost impossible to do well in in the current glut of 5v5 matches

>>140085781
remove lafag

Don't forget FBs today. Hopefully the dirty normies will be able to make it

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>>140099534
We'll see tomorrow

>Monday: Helena Overlord
>Friday: Helena Overlord

is there no more KTKM?

>>140099534
>Be logged for NA FB last week
>No one connected

Yeah, blame the normies.

>>140100817
Normies had shit to do so they didn't show up so yes, I do blame the normies

>>140100817
> NA
NA is old and busted EU is new Hotness

>>140100784
I faced a Helena in the EU TZ and KTKM in the NA TZ. The chance is random, CVs force Helena matchups.

hey guys, I'm new to CVs, how can I counter ships like the Wyoming and the Atlanta? their AA goes through all my 9 planes in seconds. can't even get close.

>>140105726
Drop the torps early or wiggle your planes. They arent a big problem unless you dont drop the torps in a single pass or they're in formation.

>>140105726
>>140106056

Also don't send the TBs leading, send a fighter squad or a single/double scout to lead the TBs, it helps to distract (and spot if smoke/no scouting ships) the target.

CLs in general are tricky to torp, since they have both good maneuverability and good AA, so I'd avoid them until you are confident with your drops, as for WHYo, you'll notice soon that most BBs are predictable, and when you get the hang of it you'll be dropping torps far from them.

>>140106056
>>140106469
thank you. I send 2 scouts first to find a guy (hopefully a big fat BB) and the 3 TBs right behind, unless someone else already saw him. Since fighters are more durable than Socuts, is it more viable to use them for strong AA enemies? and how do I use Dive bombers?

>>140108476
>how do I use Dive bombers?
you dont

>>140108476
Fighters can be used to get vision on a target for a longer period of time since they have more HP. On the downside, they're fairly blind so you gotta know where they are first.

>and how do I use Dive bombers?
You dont. Everything about them is awful. Go to manteinance and replace all your DBs with fighters or TBs.

>>140108761
>>140108835
understood. I've changed my loadout. but do Dive bombers just suck in general or do they get better once I reach Enterprise and higher? The Helldiver is one my favorite planes.

>>140109715
They are "useful" at high tiers. There's been some testing done with a Yorktown on a Tosa where the damage of a full DB squad was inferior to the TB counterpart, but the module damage was greatly better. Module damage doesn't have a really big of an impact on anything that's not a BB, and even so, before say T7 or 8, you'll want to torp most of the time.

Anu said that Midway's DBs are godtier, and as for me I haven't used the lexi's DBs since she has such horrible deck prep time, but I'll tell you that one of the first things I'll do with Essex is leading TBs with DBs and fighters to alpha BBs. I've tried that with BigE but with only 3 squads max at T7 it's quite risky compared to 4 squads at T8+

>>140109715
They suck at almost everything because:
1- RNG reliant
2- Commander reliant
3- Harder to land on small targets
4- Low damage with a decent chance of bouncing, compared to TBs which deal good damage and have a chance to mag them for even more damage
5- Even weaker than TBs to AA because they actually gotta reach the target instead of dropping their load 800m away. This also means that DBs can potentially deal even less damage due losses.

>>140110449
>>140111004
Ah, I see. That's a bit disappointing, but I guess I'll wait till I reach those high tiers for my helldiver fun. Thanks for the info guys.

>>140112976
np, if you have any questions about other ship types or nations just ask.

I think I'm going to re buy Aoba just for > fun

>>140116720

Have fun then.

>10

>>140108476
>Since fighters are more durable than Socuts, is it more viable to use them for strong AA enemies?
Fighters are your most important plane, scouts die way too easily and have a higher chance of dying before they even spot someone. You basically only use them for picket duty - not trying to spot but rather sending one and waiting for a passing enemy to shoot it so you know they're there (a fighter picket has smaller scout range so a savvy enemy can theoretically go around it without alerting you). And for economy - when you're spamming fighters for every job but can only bring 30, you can also add a couple scouts as lowpowered specialized fighters to go over that 30 hardcap.

>>140125567

Scouts are great for finding the enemy or sneaky DDs. But you are correct though in usage. They are great for getting periodic updates if not constant.

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See you fags for EU FBs

>>140130970

Y-you too.

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H A G U R O

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Naptime bump.

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I know it's completely unrelated, but the picture reminded me of what just happened to me on Naval Action

>be preparing myself for boarding on an enemy npc pirate
>board successful
>going to be a somewhat hard fight as we're both well prepared, but he has less crew
>fight going well, smaller npc pirate ship peppers me with some rounds, but stray rounds hit his ally
>ally catches fire
>I don't think much of it
>completely forget that he probably cannot send people to put the fire down, as he's being boarded
>fire spreads fast as fuck
>HUGE EXPLOSION SHIP PARTS THROWN OFF EVERYWHERE OH GOD
>his ship BTFO taking me with him
>lost the mission

worried laughter.jpg

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ded

laforey or yugumo?

>>140143219
Lafo if you wanto to win, yuugumo if you want a daughteru.

>>140143545
A tough choice, anon.

>>140143545

Daughteru is best.

>>140143219
senkan

FBs soon!

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>>140144369
I had enough for a lafagoy, but I went for Yodo.

>>140152130
FBs now get in here faggots

Bump!
FBs are on!

GET IN HERE AND HAVE SOME FUN. FBs ON NOW

stop being so ded EU

>>140143545
>Lafo if you wanto to win

you sound like a disgusting tryhard :^)

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>>140153234
>not the tryhard option

>Being a tryhard

Comfy casual player here, I just hop on for some fun and then get off. :^)

>3CVs

>>140158778
dutch get out

At least we got our two wins.

>>140163570
sounds like they came with ten losses

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>>140168232

N-no.

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>>140168232
We did fine

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>>140170390

Tone is too lewd.

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>>140168232
>>140163570

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>>140171027

>mfw getting the torpedos in at point blank range
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4O85V5WJWc

>>140161184
Who? My highest tier is 5. I let down the tryhards by being too casual. ;_;

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https://youtu.be/FBYxPsvbEIg

I don't know what to do now

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>>140175360

>2 AA

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>>140176998
I don't care my bote harem is complete

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>>140177836

We all enjoy our separate tastes.

>>140174523
Becoming the tryhard is the only way.

>>140178820
But anon, I'm so casual I still don't understand commander shit despite reading the info pictures.

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Why don't my teams want to win??

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>>140179049

What.

>>140180592

Playing is hard.

>>140180592
C- Carry me up a tier and I'll play with you!

>>140180596
In my defense, commanders weren't explained well in the tutorial for SO well at all.

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>>140180901

No they weren't.
But we are here for you to answer any questions you may have.

>>140180901
>C- Carry me up a tier and I'll play with you!
I usuaklly play t7 actually, but I've been stuck my only t6 for a couple matches now because every time it's a team like that one..

>>140181820
Carry me up two tiers, then. :^)

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>>140182108

>Two tiers

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what do I have to do man

>>140184738
play t7 with me

>>140184267
Do it. You scared?

>>140184738
perform the tryhard ritual, sacrifice a goat and you'll get air support

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>>140185019

No. Just can't be assed.

>>140185285
p- pls

>>140185540

I'm not that guy who are asking. I just showed up for fleet battles.

>>140186170
DAMMIT EU

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>>140175360
Forgot obligatory stern pic

>>140184738
Why don't you stack with other anons

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Well one last bump. I'm going to sleep good luck with NA FBs

>>140197087
What are they reacting to?

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>>140197387

"Have sex with me!"

>>140197087
>good luck with NA FBs

Hahahahahaha.

Wake me up if people actually show up for FBs

>>140198942
Four memers currently logged.

>>140197387
There's a dick anon. There's a dick at the bottom of every frame. You can't be this dense anon.

ded

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Obligatory.

>shoot full salvo at Kongo in Neptune, does 60% dmg as some rounds didn't pen
>Kongo shoots me full salvo, leave me with less than 100hp
when will this suffering end?

>>140205871
>kongo penetrating
whatchu doing mang

>>140206061
>Neptune

Please let me join IGN BeingBadNotBeingGood

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>>140207967
You have to post a meme.

>>140207967
And where's the meme?

>>140207967
need a meme

>>140208064
>>140208079
>>140208086
My IGN

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>>140208220

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>>140208220
that was awful

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>>140208220
Back in my days people took memes seriously.

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>>140209570

>>140210819
do we really have to repeat this twice per thread

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>>140211531

What are you talking about.

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IT'S WEDNESDAY CLAIM YOUR BOTEFUS BEFORE SOME ANON CVCKS YOU!

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>>140216171
Yodo for me.

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>>140216171
Claiming bestest of the best.

>>140215051
A K A G I
K
A
G
I

Did you find out how to make her work, yet?

>>140216675
>wait 2 minutes
>send 3 TB squads
>the surviving squad (1) drops the torps
>proceed to complain about low damage
if something happens in those 2 minutes, blame the team

>>140217380
Yeah, up until the Tier IX ships with their 2km plane spotting distance and laser flak start to show up

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>>140216171
Best bote Haruna claimed.

Sorry SMD and Salt. I didn't think It'd take so long

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>>140216171
But how does one cvck a cvck?

>>140222165
Hikago gets cucked often.

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Daily reminder that NBA says what's the meta and the others follow.

>>140226951
3 laforeys, 2 I-201 when?

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>>140226951
> playing 5v5s

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>>140227495
>not being a tryhard

>>140227567
I play for fun

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>>140227495
found the casual

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>>140227663
>fun

>>140227671
>>140227801
watchu gonna do about it eh? :^)

>>140227892
Well of course, deny your fun.

>>140230230
before or after you're all burnt out from 5v5s? :^)

>>140231090
Burnout from what? Getting so many points each week? Receiving PMs beggin for us to not queue?
Or tell me, do you want to be one of those who beg too? :^)

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>>140227892
>>140231090
Anon don't bully the tryhards, they're sensitive

There aren't any events on Wednesdays right?

>>140236883
Fap to botes.

>>140227567
>>140231375
Whenever I attempt 5v5 it just
>get memed on by chinks
>nobody wants in group
>group does bad even if I try my hardest when I get in
WAKE ME UP

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>>140243071
Here's some advice that has worked for many people throughout the years.

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>>140236883
wednesday is go to work day

>>140243464
>>140243071
I'd be doing good
It's just
YASEN a shit
and Nelson is accurate as fuck, it nailed me the last match I played, while at full speed, and while turning.

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ded thread post botes in wedding dresses.

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>>140246807
> Haguro

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>>140246960
>having such shit taste

>>>/wowsg/

>>140244489
>>140243464
>>140243071
YASEN for me is Guadalcanal Night Battles
As America

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>>140246807

Reminder that your botefu is cute and will forever be with you.

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I'm going to go out on a limb and say a few of the folks who post here are weebs. Can anyone translate this?

>>140250640
I can't translate it, but it's some manner of instructions on how a Jap DD is supposed to launch torpedoes.

The diagram at the top shows that the toroedo needs to be launched at a slightly downward angle, so that the head (which hasn't armed yet) takes the most force of water impact, and the propeller doesn't take any damge. I think.

The bottom right diagram shows that a DD needs to go in quick, release a torp fan to guarentee at least 1 hit assuming the target doesn't dodge, and then gtfo so you don't get shot.

>>140250640

You post some bote butt as payment. To summon the elder weebs.


>>140251175
We don't it for free! Damn it!

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>>140251224
:^)
What're you gonna do about it?

I'd say that when it gets translated, I'll be at least half-correct. With the stuff I covered.

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>>140251380

>What're you gonna do about it?
I stare inappropriately in your direction.

>>140250640
>>140251175
>>140251224
>>140251380
>>140251567
Oh, I missed something. The characters shown are a mix of Kantai Collection and Haifuri. The girl in the jacket is the gunnery officer of the Harekaze jn Haifuri, and the girl at the wheel might be the Steersman from it. IDK many Kantai DD.

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>>140251620

The DD is Fubuki.

>>140251773
Most of the DD's look the same, aside from Shimakaze and the Shira's. And the ultra-loli's.

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>>140251940

Most DDs are too cute to be look the same to me.

>>140251620
fubuki is there for the paragraph where they excuse kancolle for shooting torps wrong because rule of cool

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>>140249961
y-you too

Never played this game, are submarines decent?
I have experience from simulations and a multiplayer game seems interesting.

>>140252681
They're not very realistic.

They can be very strong in large games, but since currently most matches are small they struggle.

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>>140250640
Mei chan is best girl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rSW74L-XMA
Time for music.

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>>140246807

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>>140258756

What a slut.

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>>140265470

Yodo~

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Its bote fap afternoon.

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>>140271812

>>140269320
> posting nuns on fap to botes day
Shame on you anon

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>>140275859

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When will boatlets learn?

>>140280050
>no subs with more than 2,5k dmg
why even bother with them?

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>>140281490
Because you shouldnt, subs rarely get time to be useful because they get torped/DC'd early on and if they survive long enough most BBs can just outrun them forever, sometimes I even ignore subs and take a few torps because there's actual threats in my range that have to be dealt with.

>>140281490
x3 experience, might as well get the suffering done with now

https://youtu.be/mkbQ-qYzrY0

this kills the Battleship

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>>140286463

CVs are terrifying.

>>140286463
>CVcks are the reason why we don't have BBs anymore

Gas the CVs bote war now

>>140286463
>chem weapons
>This is what CVcks would do in a world without treaties.

Truly the scum of the sea.

>>140287097
>>140290016
>>140290253
https://youtu.be/hs2lnF-LiCQ

Here's some footage of a CVCK getting it's

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>10

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>10 again.
I'm gonna let the thread die.

>>140297690
Well I'll pick up your slack anon

Why are you guys so ded today?

>>140301428
see >>140083706
>Wednesday: Fap to botes

>>140301607
I thought everyday was fap to botes day

>>140302225
We also take our botes on dates today, and mainly take it easy since the rest of the week is so stressful for them.

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>CVicide
Groggy get this shit sorted out. I can't miss out on free XP because your fleetmate eats dick at carriers

>>140304445
Expecting anything less from GOONS

wew lads

>>140309852
>>140310047
> sleep
dude it's 6:00

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>>140310383

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>>140304445
It's your fault for not killing your own team and ramming him to death.

Why the fuck am I even an Officer, let alone the highest ranked active officer in the fleet. Fuck this shit I'm going to space where I already told goon leadership to stop trying to make me an Officer.

>>140310812

Well I mean Goons are failing at even as well.
I know you fags have a WoWs community. Probably shitting up /wowsg/ as well.

>>140310812
Come to the dark side groggy, we have lolis and memes. You know you want to.

>>140312131
> trying to tempt a GOON with loli's
We have shota's goon come on over

>>140312474
Quick! Dress up one of those gerry's subs as a shota, he'll not notice.

>>140312131
>tempting outer circle

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E S C O R T S H I P

I just found something interesting while in tier iii:

>guy in a fubuki
> has played 1.9k matches
>has reached tier VII
>only plays IJN DDs,
>Never even tried cruisers but bought Fargo
>Fargo stats are shit as expected

so I checked his Kagerou stats to see how he fares at higher tiers:

>one battle
>died after doing 2k damage

now, ok maybe he just got it very recently. But no, here's the odd part:

>Asashio stats:
0 battles
>Shiratsuyu stats:
0 battles

>Fubuki stats
1.7k matches

this guy has actually spent all this time grinding ship xp in fubuki to then convert for real shekels to free xp for some goddamn reason. He probably thinks he'll get shimakaze and then I don't know what, seems he learned nothing from his failure with Fargo.

>>140318445
>converting XP
worse than the jews

>>140318445
Looking at games like SO makes me want to make a f2p game of my own, so many whales that spend $50 on a tirpitz for an hour of game time..

That guy must love fubuki because grinding t9 amounts of experience in a t3 ship would be suffering otherwise.

Post grinding music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_Ay_iDRAbc

>>140320920
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyz389Htbdg

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>chinkstack slayed by a baBBy learning how 2 DD

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>>140312131
I get enough memes watching /a/ and /tg/ do 4chan divegrass, reading Kant-O-Celle quest and even my own goonstack, who atleast appreciate JoJo.

did they change Woundless hero? I just got it for CVcking 5 ships but I remember it being at least 6

>>140328406
Hero is the 6 kills medal, woundless hero is for 5 kills without taking any damage.

>>140319284
at least these guys keep the game alive

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So what do you think the next update will include?

>>140333460
futa dicks

>>140310812
EVE Online is >fun :^)

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Thank god I play Elite Dangerous instead!
>duuuude spaceweed lmao

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If the Baltimore is shooting at you then TELL ME THAT

I had scouts over the destroyer the whole time, there was no need to blind fire the cruiser when you can just take out its eyes (and protect the best chance of killing the sub). The cruiser was out of spotting range, and it's a cruiser. It's the least threatening thing on the field

>>140337659
>attack a DD that's scouting nothing because LoS instead of CA that's scouting and shooting on his own

ok

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>>140337659
>dying to goons

>>140338360
>scouting
I'm doubting this

>>140338568
Explain how he had vision when the DD had no LoS. See the screenshot, the DD was spotting no one.

>>140338568
>>140338845

My bad, I forgot, the sub was near my ass, he was the one spotting. But subs should be ignored isn't? :^)

>>140338959
>But subs should be ignored isn't
If you killed the Destroyer, our sub would still be alive and could spot the sub more than once per minute.

>>140339285
Whatever you say man, you ragequited and bringed the issue to the thread just to shitpost so it's clear you don't think nor want to discuss you might be wrong, so yeah you are right, goodnight.

>>140340532
Did you at least form GOONTRON while the lone DIIN raged?

>>140340532
>frogsub

How much do I have to greentext you until you understand?

>>140340532
>sub
you basically asked for it

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Time to sleep.

ded

>haven't seen a CV in 25 battles
come on someone CVck me. I miss having to sail in fear of getting spotted by them and having to fire AA like crazy and move to avoid the incoming TBs and BB salvos.

>>140348916
Tomorrow is 5v5 day, you'll get plenty of CVcks there.

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>>140349918
>I can get CVcked only for two hours a day on only two days a week, and that's only if I can get my team together

>>140350604
You can always be the CVck and CVck the MM into matching you against a CVck, as every CVck in the fleet does.

CVck.

Also, it's 4 hours a day now, there's also scenerio mode and worst case, being Helena versus a team with a CV.

>>140350795
It's not as fun as a CV though. They don't usually go for me, instead going for front line units or going for BBs. It's more fun being the front line unit having to avoid being CVcked.

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Its time to wake up /sog/.
Good morning~

>>140326873
>Kant-O-Celle
>not Kantai Collection Pacific Strike

>>140348916
This is why my > 2AA bote is fine, I've only run into one CV at T9 and he was NBA

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>>140363745

:^)
Lmao 2 AA.

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>>140366446
P-Pls no bully, she's a good bote except for that one little thing

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>>140369042

Shes very top heavy.

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Did someone say Takao'clock?

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>>140369989

Maybe.

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>>140370121
I need a definitive answer.

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>>140370523

It is Takao'clock time, but my time is running out soon.

>>140370523
No. Also why always Takao?

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>>140370705
Lets make the most of limited time then.

>>140371145
Because Takao is a seamen :^) demon.

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>>140371245

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>>140371831

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>>140371950

Last one from me~
Have a good day anon~

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>>140372097
y-you too

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>>140372191

<3~

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>>140374247
Takao is a big girl.

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>>140205871
>land three salvoes on an Ise with Orion
>still has 50% HP left
>Ise hits you with half a salvo landing
>instakilled from full HP

>>140375679

IJN BBs are completely balanced.

>>140376149
More like brit BBs a shit.

>>140376149
Are there even any good ones aside from Ise?

>>140377779

All of them?

>>140377958
>Kongo
Inconsistent spiky damage, I'd rather Bayern/Wyo.
>Nagato Proto
Worst t6
>Nagato
It's ok.
>Yamato
??

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>>140320920
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XJXjDGX46Q

One vision,
One Purpose,
Unity, Through Sterns.

I'm back from my stint in solitary from being Anu again.

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>>140378362

Don't worry, you will get banned again for being me.)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Welcome back, watch yourself.

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>>140378362
>that Mochizuki

[desire to headpat intensifies]

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>You won't be served by a shy, cute, motherly-type young woman.
>She won't over time build up the courage to leave two heart shaped chocolates representing her feelings for you with your morning tea.


So how goes /sog/ this morning?

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>>140385131
>you will never feign ignorance constantly so that she has to keep trying harder and harder to get you to notice

>>140385131
>So how goes /sog/ this morning?

Like shit, as usual.

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REVENGE FOR HONOKA

>>140378289
>>Nagato Proto
>Worst t6
Clearly you haven't played stock QE.

>>140388552
>100 merit

How

>>140388810
The 2800 commander pack lets you refund it for 100 if you don't like any of the choices, and I misclicked that refund option once.

>>140388979
I would get triggered so hard everytime I see 10 merit in my screen, I'm so sorry for you.

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>>140385131

WHY MUST YOU RUIN MY HOPES AND DREAMS.

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>>140385426
That's the way you do it!

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>>140385426
Its actually pretty cute when they do that.

>>140394729
Explain it in thorough detail for me.

>>140385426
>tfw it happened without me noticing it
>several times
oh well

>>140385426
>did this
>she got bored

Repeat until 1 == 0

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>>140395331
Simplified version because I gotta go to class soon. I can give a more detailed one in the future.
>things not going well
>decide to ignore her until she changes her attitude or the ignoring will turn into a breakup
>3 days pass
>she realizes life isnt like one of her gook dramas and nobody even talks to her
>I continue my days as usual among the normalfags
>she's clearly sad and depressed because of what's happening
>one day she had enough and accepts that I'm right
>confort her with headpats and hand holding
>from that day onwards she clings to me when walking together
holding hands, interlocked arms, her grabing my sleeve or the strap of my bag, you name it
>often says things like "I'm sad if you're not around"
>"dont leave me"


Breaking people is fun.

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>>140397324
You're dispicable. How do you have such a perfect life?

>>140397324
And there's people who say I'm a normie when this guy's running around.

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>>140397324
Welp...

grats to you.
REEEE

Reminder that there is literally nothing wrong with incest.

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>>140397324

Hey fade, I just had to say I was ready to report someone for cheating in the script thread to make that faggot elder post a final reply to the issue.
We did it guyz!

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>>140399253

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>Ashigara Get *

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>>140401263
Daily reminder that trAshigara will die alone.

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>>140401263
The Myoko is a fine bote

Least it wasn't
>Hag Get.

>>140400238
Nah, he just quoted something from the steam rules (which individual developers do not enforce), to manufacture a response where there's none. Only way to see what the devs think is to start reporting I guess.

>>140400238
also stop arguing with dude weed lmao, it makes you look as dumb as him

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>>140383773
Something has gone wrong

>check what awaits for me past T8 in the german cruisers line
>2x3 everywhere
>BB tier accuracy and aiming time until T10
W H Y
H
Y

>>140406160

Is of balance )))

>>140406160
should have won war)

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>10
less vidya, more shitposting

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>>140412145

Remember to accept CVs as your lord and savior.

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>>140320920
I think this one sums up my grinding experience thus far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYITD8TMvcM

>>140414334

>He doesn't cool his computer with oil

>>140414334
Stop playing on a laptop sal your going to kill it

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>>140414334
>>140415514

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7UW5AkWqOY

>>140415514
>implying that's a laptop

It's not. It's my old computer after his laptop died and i got a new one. That's the temp of a GTX560.

>>140414334
I thought the grinding was your fans.