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Leoric Edition

>Whats New:
HotS is out of beta:
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20063493/heroes-of-the-storm-patch-notes-march-29-2016-3-29-2016

>where do I find you panda-loving faggots
/join /vg/

>Do you faggots have a discord?
https://discord.gg/0u3cyKnzMnnU2wjN

>What hero should I buy?
Find the ones you enjoy playing and buy those. Don't buy cheap heroes just to get into Hero League, it's not worth rushing into.

>Links nobody visits anyway
Official Site: http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/
General News: http://www.heroesnexus.com/
Tips & Tricks: http://heroesofthestorm.github.io/tips
Hero Rankings and Statistics: https://www.hotslogs.com/Default
Talent Calculator: http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator/
All of the hero voice lines: http://rpboyer15.github.io/sounds-of-the-storm/

Previously, on /hotsg/: >>137471114
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First for people are going to bitch about OP's pic

Also we need more bumblebees
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Senjinn god carries
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>>137659331
this
requesting bumblebee nova
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>>137659530
The bumblebee should be used as a replacement for the:
>Draw the last hero you played as
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A Z U L A
Z
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L
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6TH FOR KINKY!
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>>137659142
first for we are not a moba you fucking retarded nigger, go back to league of fucking shit
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>>137660229

>muh team brawler
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>>137659405
>QM
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>your zagara goes nydus
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Everyone who pre-ordered (doesn't matter where from) is getting Tracer right?

bit pissed that early access is locked behind digital content AGAIN but ah well
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>>137660389

>muh why can't this game be exactly like the games we already have that we are clearly bored of since we want to move on to something else but we don't actually want to move on to something else and we are just fucking retarded
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>>137660389
¬q => p v ¬q

your meme is true
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I had a really bad opinion against nova, I thought she sucked, garbage, waste of a slot and secure loss... until I played with her... It's not even hard to play with her, and she can alter a teamfight and give her team the advantage really easily, it's all about who are you targeting.

then, why is it that there are so many shitter novas?? I had the mission of playing 8 games and won 7/8, not even bluffing, and during all of them I only saw one enemy nova that I recognized had skill. (I mean, she even blocked my shots with her own hologram)
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>>137660229
You are right, it's ASSFAGGOTS.
I don't even remember when it was removed from the OP text
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>>137661474
Nova is fine as long as the enemy has some squishy targets for you and you can actually hit them

The problem is a lot of idiots can't land their snipes properly or position in a way they won't instantly get killed
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>>137661474
everybody is shit
nova is just 1 dimensional so the mistakes are obvious
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Summer is coming where are the swimsuit skins!
Fuck ninja
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Since /hostg/ is literally memes, can we use memes from other boards here?
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Where the FUCK is Maiev????
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>>137663015
They are waiting to get another Resurrection based character before they get another blink character
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why is this thread deader than usual? what is everyone doing??
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>>137662987
Like Li Li's wearing Trump hats?
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>>137662987
t. Orcberto Horderossa
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>>137660898
>your zagara goes nydus
>places two pods literally right next to eachother

fucking quick match
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>>137660898
>nydus
>provides fountain teir regen
>no longer need to waste one at base
>pretty much global pressure
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>So much essence.

what did he mean by this?
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>mfw i play arthas and its literally some of the most fun I have in the game freezing niggas and frostmourning their shit into the ground
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DED
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>>137665908
WE NEED MEMES
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I just realized that with tracer release dates we won`t have a new hero in a long fucking time
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>tired of playing Lunara and Valla
>Play a game of Raynor for the first time in over a month
>finish most Hero Damage, Highest XP and 11 kills 1 Death

HE-HEY MAN
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Does anyone have the "real life li-ming" webm?
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>>137664720
And then losing the game because you are playing Arthas?
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>tfw co-workers making "notice me senpai" jokes
since when was weeb culture mainstream
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>>137666526
you mean commander "best skin" jim he-hey man raynor?
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>>137666280

Wouldn't that just be the standard four week wait time we've been having lately? Though I can see them skipping May to give us two Warcraft heroes in June.
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>>137666280
So the usual.
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>>137666526
R A I D E R S
O
L
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>>137666526
OH YEAH!
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I'll just leave this here.
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>>137668140
>fit, decent looking, sociable coworker whos been in a committed relationship for the last 5 years starts unironically calling people normies
memes are the death of every culture
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>>137668638
>giving johanna large breasts
>sonya's massive cock not in view
but why?
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>>137668638
p. cute but
>johanna has no armor, just some t-shirt
baka senpai desu
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>>137668638

CUTE
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>>137668638
So the Koreans are finally doing fanart, about time.
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>>137668638
>oh boy that ass line on sonya
>wait a minute why does she have granny tits
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>Get muted because I'm a massive cunt
>seeing that I'm muted more petty cunts use it to constantly harass me

I mean I mute them and unmute every once in a while to see if they are being constructive but goddamn at least be clever with your insults or be good at the game while insulting.
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>>137669238
That artist's done quite a few pieces before that one.
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>>137668638
does this fucker draw porn or what
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>play xul
>have fun
wow it was just that easy all along
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>>137660898
dustin said on twitter that nydus has a surprisingly high win rate, and the buffed it anyway
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>>137671226
But we trust in Dustin?
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>>137670053
what is jaina trying to accomplish here?
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>>137672426
She's helping Sylvanas get dressed! They have very important games to win!
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>>137672426
trying to conquer my dick
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>>137666526
he's so easy after playing lunara for so long i feel guilty playing him
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LET'S SEE IF YOU CAN HANDLE

TWO

CHEST

AT

ONCE
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>>137672810
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>>137664720
>tfw not low enough mmr to play any fun heroes and win
except lili
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>>137664720
>thinkan about getting arthas
>suddenly remember that tracer is the next hero
I think I just dodged a bullet.
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>>137673540
>tfw my second highest winrate support is lili
First is Rehgar which I played a bunch right after they made him OP and haven't touched since nerfs
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COLD, IS AIN'T IT? AH-HAHA! ARRG!
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>>137672810
WHO CAN GRAB ME BOOTY FIRST~
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>>137673817
You will have like a moth to collect 15k gold anon, i don't see the problem.
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>>137674438
>3 blinks
>i don't see the problem
blackheart plz
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>Li Li
Why did I ever forsake you? Fuck I can't help be an insatiable tier whore all the time but li li is so fun to play (and carpal tunnel inducing.)
Same goes for Leoric and Stitches recently, I think I'm done with tier whoring it just gets me exhausted, I think I play better when I'm having fun anyways.
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>>137666070
funny image but a shit caption, should be 'come Misha' or 'I hear the call of the wild', it gets the point across just as well without being so blatant.
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I wish they would add unit selection and control groups.
Rexxar and every other multi unit hero would feel a lot less clunky.
I know this game is aimed at casuals but some of the heroes are not.
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Where the FUCK is Batman????
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>>137672786
Did you right click on a guy from really far away and murder him?

Congrats, you are now a pro Raynor.
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>>137668638
Sagas is incredible. Dat Johanna HNNNG
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>>137676231
>really far away
doing it wrong
if you are too far away then they can get away
>>137675990
right here
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>>137676430
Really far away just means that his trait gives him crazy range and vision for a ranged assassin from the get-go
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>>137676430
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>it's a "first pick illidan deals less damage than uther and dies 12 times" episode
i hope he fucking dies IRL
>didn't say a word the whole match
>probably had chat disabled
>after he got his 6th death at minute 6 he says "fuck u all bg reported noobs"
>keeps feeding
honestly fuck this game. TWO of my last HL matches were even close to being fun. I've had rage quitters, AFKers and the good ol' "guy is fucking clueless". This is just shit. I haven't had a good game in four days. My win rate dropped from 53.9% to 51.2% in just four days.

Yes I'm mad.
Yes you can subscribe to my blog.
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Well met!
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>>137676889
Illidan almost never does that much damage even if he's playing optimally. He's more of a soft tank that dictates the flow of the whole teamfight.
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>>137676984
>I will fight with honor!
>coin minibot -> juggler -> muster -> shredder -> Loatheb -> Rey Mysterio -> Dr. 7 -> Tirion
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Is Abathur fun?
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>>137677254
depends on how severe is your autism
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>>137676889
just get a friend to play it with anon.
its at least twice as easy to win when you have two people working together.
surely you have ONE friend, r-right?

failing that just take someone from hotsg and enjoy the memes
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>>137677254
Only if you wear a fedora.
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>>137677557
that's a big slug
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I just picked up gazlowe and had a blast. I build for maximum camp taking, sieging, and wave clearing. It worked well in a single quick match I tried, but should I take grav bomb to be more useful in a team fight? I tend to avoid them atm.
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who /hightest/ here?
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>>137677254

Meh, if you're one for subtlety, I suppose.

>mine up common gank paths to keep teammates safe (I can dream)
>provide vision in important spots, either choke points, merc camps, objectives and bushes
>opportunity to greatly improve map awareness, especially while split-soaking
>get the chance to play as any Hero on your team after 10 via Ultimate Evolution
>often blamed for losses, even if you're playing well, doing most things within reason (similar to other niche heroes like TLV)
>build diversity, able to adapt, build around supporting Heroes (this one can be iffy), and the like

One of his bigger problems, I think, is his teammates. I've seen lots of missed kills on roamers when they stumble into a bush of mines and limp away with 20%, and the nearby laner hasn't even taken notice.

Same for vision via mines, people (at low mmr, at least) don't really keep an eye on their minimap, and miss the rotation, getting ganked.

I think he's a pretty neat Hero, just a bit niche. Again, there's the potential to get a lot of flak, especially if you draft him.
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>>137677153

joke's on you. i conceded after muster and no board clear.

paladinstone fucking sucks.
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>>137678303

Games like the one you just played is part of the reason why Gawloze has such a poor reputation.

>Gazlowe ignores fights like the plague for the whole game
>split-pushes the entire game
>team loses every objective because 4v5
>Gazlowe doesn't get ganked, thinks it isn't his fault
>does it in the next game

Or something like that, anyways.

Yeah, I think you'd probably be better off with Grav-o. Just practice it in Try Mode a bit, make sure you're able to land it.
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>>137677519
i have two friends who are actually good at this game, and we're at similar MMRs
here is my latest game, as a duo
the murky has been feeding non stop (just running into towers)
nobody knows why

fuck this game and everything about it
except the guy that whispered me, I wish him all the best
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>>137678303
always grav o bomb
you might be lower mmr now but at higher mmr if a gazlow is on a team and doesn't even pick the bomb it may as well already be game.
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More Xeno waifu when?
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>>137677557
sauce?
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>>137679340

>Soon™
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>>137678469
enjoy your worms
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Are you ready for the ALL HEROES FREE weekend?
also 50% bonus exp, source: hots spic facebook page
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>>137679158
well, even the power of friendship can't compensate for the soul crushing weight of stupidity every time.

and you probably could have picked something more damaging than stitches and rehgar - i mean you're going against jaina, greymeme and he-hey man with basically only falsedad for sustained damage. but yeah nothing will save you from someone dedicated to feeding.

if you're on EU add zliabanichar#2379. i dont play that often anymore and i was pretty shit to begin with but at least i dont suicide 24 times a game.
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>>137681319
or, you know, fucking battlenet
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How to build Abathur?
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>>137684147

Depends on your team composition, as well as the enemies.

Safest bets
>mine talents at both 4 and 7
>ultimate evolution at 10 unless you have NOTHING worth cloning
>bombard strain at 13, locust brood at 16
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>>137684147
I would suggest using the "choose a different character" talent choice at level 0.
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>quest to play warrior hero
>copy johanna with abathur ulti
>quest doesn't progress
Fix pls
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>>137684634

Yeah, probably the safest bet, seeing as you're asking how to build him.
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>>137684953
>quest to play assassin hero
>play a game as Zagara and a game as Xul
>0/3
you can really tell we're still in alpha when Blizzard can't even fix shit like this
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>>137679340
Isnt she sadly stuck in the leviathan? Well who knows I use to think Abathur was way bigger
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Why the fuck is Butchers W so hard to actually get to land?
I use it on someone and then find out 2 seconds later it didn't actually get used
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>>137661308
its not that easy. read the tracer news article
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>killed by mine-build abathur
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>>137689219
>tfw playing Spy vs. Spy mine games in Abathur mirror matches
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>>137688328
because you are pressing w too quickly

does that with falstad's w for me as well
try press it slightly later than you normally would and it works
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>>137689219

>full mine build in a game versus squishies without supports

borderline broken desu

>>137689442

Yeah, this. Sometimes abilities don't go off when they normally should, usually having to do with the usage of another ability, or something. Spamming Brand after landing the charge, for instance.
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>mages no longer get bolt because cancer
>thrall gets to keep his, being the tankiest assassin with some of the best damage and CC
>ywn be jesus
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>>137689553
>>full mine build in a game versus squishies without supports
I fucking love playing this and fucking hate playing against it

Just started a game like this except enemy team has abathur too
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Where the FUCK is Arthas update?!!
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>>137689934
why do people say he needs a huge rework? he's no different than Artanis imo plus he doesnt have to wait til 16 to be useful.

he's not top tier but he can do many things and he does them well. he can take damage/cc/does good warriror damage/utility depending on which ult you choose. i think he's alright and fun
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>Guy on friend's list online whom I don't know very well
>Decide to check his match history
>Scroll down, lots of wins
>"Wow this guy wins a lot"
>Keep scrolling, all wins
>"Wait a sec..."
>VS A.I.
>VS A.I.
>VS A.I.
>VS A.I.
>VS A.I.
>"OK, maybe he really just likes to be comfortable with a character before playing online."
>Check stats
>Zero games played in QM
>Zero games played in HL
>All games VS A.I.
>Map win records all 100 - 99%
>Over 900 games played

Why would anyone do this? He has less than 10 losses. Over 900 fucking games. There is no challenge. Does anyone else have someone on their friends list like that? What the fuuuuck WHY?
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Heroics you should never pick.
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>>137690295
It's somehow relaxing
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>>137690819
shadow assault, earthquake, ultralisk, homo-goblin, locust swarm, army of the dead, twisting nether, marked for the kill, water ele, divine storm
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>>137690819
Hinterland Blast
Marked for the kill
Metamorphosis
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>tfw just had a game with a sylvanas crying about illidan collecting coins instead of fighting the enemy all the time
He said he's 3.2k mmr so I looked him up on hotslogs and nothing came up. I guess his silence ended just recently. Will upload the game and see if I can see his mmr on it

This game was around 2.5k mmr btw
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>>137690819
Force Wave
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>>137691069

I can understand once in a while, but when it is literally all you have played, and 900 times, that's bizarre. It's well over 200 hours of game time. It's like that kid who only played against bots in Counter Strike. That kid was a fucking weirdo.
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>>137691349

I don't know much about ranked with Falstad, but as someone who has gone on 15+ win streaks with him in QM Hinterland blast is completely viable.
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>>137691507
>blackmeme's bay
>fighting the enemy
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>>137690295
>There is no challenge
there's no challenge inherent in any of the other modes either. it doesn't matter how good or bad you are almost everyone gets roughly 50% wins. there is no reason to improve unless you want to.
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>>137668638
Nice
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>>137692140
Gust is a hell of a lot more useful, and has an extremely short cd.

Hinterland Blast is pretty much the most easily avoidable ult. If you ever picked that shit in Hero league you're almost a useless pile of meat.

Falstad already deals a shitload of damage without Hinterland blast, and gust has so much more use to any team, even in QM.
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>get to rank 1
>lose next match
>don't go to rank 2 despite losing twice as many points as I get when I win
So you can't go down from rank 1 once you get there?
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senjinn is literally just a meme he doesn't even play human games.

i am officially the BEST player to play with in /vg/ now
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>>137668638
How come Sonya is the only one with a nose?
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>>137694492
all hail anonymous
the best player in /hotsg/
may his queues be fast and his mains never banned
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>>137694274
I think you get some extra points when you progress to a new rank
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>its the Falstaad gusts enemy team out of 4 man mosh pit episode

Gust should be forbidden ult to pick for people below 3k
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Where the FUCK is Superman????
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>>137695729
>Superman getting karate kicked by an alcoholic panda
>Said panda's niece blinds Superman by throwing sand in his eyes
>A toddler frog throws an exploding pufferfish at Superman
>A big slug attaches a smaller slug to Superman's head, this somehow makes him stronger
>An obese corps devours Superman and carries him around in his belly
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>>137695729
Memes aside, if he seriously gets added he'll be a map objective somehow.
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Greymane nerf when?
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>>137696084
Memes aside, if he seriously gets added I will stop playing this dumb game
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>>137696135
Just stun or blind him bro
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>>137696135
nerf what exactly? He's one of the most balanced heroes imo
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>>137696007
>Superman gets punted by a drunken midge in armor.
>Superman can't go toe to toe with a dickless alien with no mouth.
>Superman can't one-shot a bunch of manlets in armor who don't give two shits about him and just want to attack a wall
>Superman has to transform into a dragon knight or a gigantic plant monster to be more useful
>Superman keels over and dies after being shot by a sniper rifle, an assault rifle, and automatic pistols. Because he can't run away fast enough.
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I really want Mines back ;_;
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>>137696656
Abathur in haunted mines is the best
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>>137696554
>Superman gets body blocken by an obese Scandinavian while his brothers fling swords and stones at him
>Superman gets knocked out by a blind purple guy who came flying at him from across the map yelling something about ten thousand years
>Superman gets knocked out cold by an owl to the face
>>
>>137695729
>Superman walks into a bush and dies to a poisonous slug.
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>>137697463
>Superman has to use a spaceship to fly across the map
>>
>Finally get a good comp
>They are fucking horrible
Everytime
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>>137698138
>get a terrible comp
>they are literally c9
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>>137697872
>Superman falls down and dies because he got bit by a dog
>Superman gets tapped on the ankle by an exploding frog, gets sick, and dies to a DoT
>Superman can't refrain from moshing when a shredded anthropomorphic pussy crushing cow plays some sick riffs on his axe.
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>>137698451
>pussy crushing
yeah
nah
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>>137698138
>decide to QM as a hero that you dont usually play
>the enemy team has your counter
Everytime
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>>137698451
>Superman's mind breaks down and he loses any control over his body after a blue corpse start singing about her people 'n shit
>Superman is stunned for a period of time because he cannot comprehend the fact that the Devil just picked him up and slammed him into the ground
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>>137695729
>superman willingly getting shit on because he enjoys the vidya
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>Illidans, Novas, Li Mings and Zeratuls in every match
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>>137699384
>morales
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>>137695729
Will Superman get a heroic which lets him turn back time like in the movie?
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Who is a /GOOD GUY/ and ordered /OVERGOY/ for Tracer?
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>>137699625
>Tracer
We don't need problematic heroes like that in HotS.
Tracer removed from HotS when?
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>>137699756
era of movement creep doe
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>>137699756
but we do, because she got that personality
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>it's a tassadar is our only support episode
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>>137700189
For the Zelnarka!

You did win easily, didnt you?
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Are you ready for xul free week /hotsg/?
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Why is Falstad so balanced?
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>>137701148
There's no way you got that many stacks without that being in try mode. Also,

>taking secret weapon without seasoned marksman

I mean, if you're going to go mage falstad you might as well go all the way and take boomerang.
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>>137701148
did you really stack 1000 hammerangs in try mode for this?
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>>137701263
>>137701246
Bored as hell. Toggle Cooldown and throw for days at the dummy for stacks. Arthas gets oneshotted with Overdrive buff if both hits
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>>137700148
[triggered]
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>Play Support
>Win every game
>But support is cuckoldry

what do
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>>137702374
realise you are the cuckee, not the cucked
>>
>>137702374
Keep playing support and winning games
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>>137702478
>>137702530

What will get me more exclusive e-rep -

Master Uther or Judgement Uther?
>>
>>137702965
>uther
>>
>>137702987

>Abandoning men
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>>137703069
i bet you abandoned gazlowe back in the day too
>>
>>137702374
>assassin blows everything he has desperately trying to kill your teammates
>you instantly negate everything he's done
>then you lock him down for your team
>he helplessly waits for it to all be over
if anything supports are the bull
carries are the woman that gets what she needs from him
and the enemy is getting cucked because their pathetic little dps will never measure up to the supports healing/shields/peels

>>137702478
anon knows whats up

>>137702965
lumberjack uther is the only real option
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>>137703069
>>137703104

>not playing Thrall

The one true god!
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>>137702374
be proud
>>
Only just noticed Xul is free this week

How do I build this fucker?
>>
If I shrink ray for example Diablo who is using Lighting Breath does the dmg get reduced or do I have to shrink ray him before he ults?
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>>137704106
>get every skelli talent
>get skelli mages
>get the shield that lets you dodge

Target a squishy autoattack with the jail, run in, pop shield, use scythe, pop skelli mages, hit 2-3 times with improved autoattack.
Run out when you are low on hp and fill up on nearby minions or get healed. Repeat or run away, if the others on your team fucked up.

His true strength is that he can soak really good with his skills (and push to some degree) in several lanes, where nobody is currently soaking. If you do it right, you can get close to Viking Xp (20-30% less) and still be at teamfights.
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>>137704327
Skeltal mage > poison nova?
Also I feel like backlash, jailors and amplifying damage can be good in some situations
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>>137704528
What's the point of jailors? Do the skellies actually do any damage?
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>>137704635
>corpse explosion
>skeleton mastery
>?????
>profit
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>going twilight dream on malf
>mfw upgrading to nightmare
>totally decimate the enemy team and win
>>
Is the monk guy any good? I'm coming back to this game and he looks really fun to play.
>>
>>137705008
only twats play kharawho
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>>137704528
Mages are more of a situational thing, it's handy for area denial and if the enemy team has lots of backline. Poison Nova is great for melting frontline, but it's not very effective if they have a healer or little frontline. Amplify damage and backlash are a fun combo, just make sure to gauge the enemy team's amount of auto attack before you take those two. Shade does wonders for your survivability if they've got Illidan, Greymane, Valla, etc.

>>137704635
It's free damage if you have the other skeleton talents.
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>first game on xul
>sonya must have literally been afking to have 15k hero damage 15 minutes in
>enemy comp is just straight up better
I wish they forced 1 support 1 tank every game already
>>
Having a Moba without items is like having an RPG without armor or weapons. There's no point to it.
>>
>Tracer gets a blink with 3 charges on top of another teleport effect
Sounds annoying as fuck to deal with
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>>137706156
>Having a Moba without items is like having an RPG without armor or weapons.

Not really.
>>
>>137706156
>hurr durr the only type of power progression comes from items!!!11
You realize mobas exist in Brood War which does not support items, right?
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>>137706156
Is Hots even a MOBA?
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>>137706414
>Multiplayer
>Online
>Battle
>Arena
HotS is all of these things
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>>137706156
IT'S NOT A MOBA

IT'S A HERO BRAAAAWLEEEER
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>>137706218
Her damage better be not bursty, otherwise its literally cancer.
>blink in
>explode a squishy
>blink out
>wait cd
>rinse and repeat
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>>137664235
>Rapid Incubation exists
>Needing constant fountain access because you suck that fucking badly
>Not realizing the advantage of Maw taking people out of the fight and blocking pathing even if it misses
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>>137706614
More like
>blink in
>get stunned
>die instantly because Lunara Hp levels

Her range is super short and 2 of her abilities are melee range. Need some skill or cleanse for her.
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>>137704832
>heroes of the bronze
>>
Season 1 when
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>>137707026
The game is still in beta, give it a bit of time!
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>>137706951
>4 second silence and 50% slow and 1000 damage in a large aoe
>Bad
Hello bronzie
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>>137706614
Its not bursty, she's all AA

Her ulti is a little bursty but presumably thats on a significant CD

I personally dont think tracer looks that broken at all. She's not like li ming with her CD resets or xul with his point and click root. She's high mobility, forsure, but if her only damage is AA then her not being OP is just a simple "get the numbers right" thing, whereas with li ming her OP-ness is permanently part of her kit, you cant nerf her without a head-to-toe rework.
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>>137707257
>large aoe
>hitting anyone but <1000 MMR players
>getting to 20 with malf that takes twilight dream

Yup, bronze
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>Sylvanas gets a new heroic
Is it safe to assume now that Ultralisk will be gutted in favour of another heroic?
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has anyone found a way to replace models in the game?
i want to pretend to be a sister of zakarum and johanna's side buzz cut simply wont do.
>>
>>137707265
Actually, if li ming's trait had an internal cd of, let's say, 10 seconds, i think she would be pretty fine. Honestly, i'm not even sure it's about her trait, the thing i find most annoying about her is her amazing range and even if you manage to get close to her, she can blink away
>>
>it's a quickmeme Dragon Shire with all squishies episode

I'm so fucking sick of this game, now I remember why I stopped
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>>137707535
Buy master skin ;)
>>
>>137707739
>stupid helmet
>collar that is somehow taller than the helmet
>pauldrons that look stupid even for blizzard
if they wanted me to buy it they shouldnt have made it shit
>>
This fucking ABSURD matchmaking is going to make me lose my shit. Were Warriors and Supports not MANDATORY before? What happened? Why did they remove that feature? Queue too long for the little ADD kids? Well golly nice fucking job, Blizzard, that made EVERYTHING SO MUCH BETTER. I'm having so much fun with these awful fucking comps. Fuck this game and fuck you.
>>
>>137708173
Because normal people who want to play normal comps play Hero League.
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>>137708173
90% of games you don't queue as warr or support will end up in full ass/specialists teams.
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it's never late for posting the cuttest of them all
Go BumbleValla!
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>>137708292
Except even in HL people still wont draft tanks and heals consistently
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>>137708292
Yes if you're stuck at rank 10+
Get gud
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>>137708653
Not if you're in anything above 2500 MMR, and if you're not its probably your fault.
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>>137708553
>that isn't Sonya
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>>137708292
Sometimes I don't feel like playing Hero League but I guess I don't have a choice I want to have anything resembling fun. I think I'm just gonna do what everyone else does and only login to do dailies.
>>
Does anyone know if mmr decays over time? I last took the game seriously when kaelthas was the most recent hero and I was master league in qm and high diamond in HL.

If I came back would I be against people who played that whole time, or would I be pooping on bronze players.
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Blogpost, sorry.
>be me, not the best, but decent player
>barely ever do stupid shit
>never flame, give constructive advice sometimes
>mostly play support and tank, Diablo and Rehgar are favs
>start doing HL, placement games go well until going on a losing streak
>get put into r 31
>fight way up to rank 26
>lots of wins, barely any losses
>teammates are usually good
>the baddies listen to advice and improve midgame
>then it happens
>a streak of games with people who barely even speak english
>russians I think, weird characters
>they are aggressive, bad and never listen to advice
>that is if they even understand it
>they keep flaming everyone
>they are calling others noobs with 1/3/8 stats
>losing streak to rank 33, only a few wins here and there

Where are all the nice people? How can I get back to playing with them? Help, I don't know what I did to deserve this.
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>>137710267
>Get put into r 31
You never had a chance
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Is this a good build for Kerrigan?
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>>137710997
No.
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>>137710997
Wait a bit until they buff her, using here right now is pretty much a waste of time
>>
>>137711051
What would you recommend?
>>137711059
I'm kinda having fun with her.
Also I'm afraid they touch her since I heard that Tychus became only worse after they fixed him.
>>
>>137710997
No

>>137711154
siphoning impact > clean kill > battle mom > maelstrom > longer shield > more shields > bolt (or omegastorm if you're at an mmr that can't use bolt very effectively)

You can swap battle mom for regen on shields if you want.
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>>137710267
>be me

Stopped reading
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>>137710267
I'm sorry to hear that man, Russians on your team are horrible.
Just play a few quickmemes if you've lost HL twice in a row.
Maybe Q with decent players?
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>>137706589

HERO BRAWLER HEEBIE HEBIE. YOU MADE THAT UP!
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>>137711154
I go like this http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator/kerrigan#gOkH
It's good in teamfights
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>>137659142

>play Muradin
>pick Haymaker
>use it on Chen
>Chen survives but slams into Greymane and kills him instead

Aw yeeeeeeeuh.
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Whose a better paladin?
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>>137712293
>get ambushed
>muradin haymakers me out of the group
>I survive
Thanks muradin.
>>
>>137712430
That happened once to me.
>play medic
>Enemy team is doing the just focus morales thing.
>get stunned out of position and about to be killed
>Enemy mura haymakers me to safety

I bet his team was angry at him
>>
>had a guy with 500 (FIVE HUNDRED) MMR on our team while the enemy team's were all relatively high

Like

how?

No, really, how? What the fuck? How is that fair in the slightest?
>>
>>137711626
Yeah, gonna play QM for the rest of the day.
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>>137712801
It's not suppose to be fair. Welcome to forced 50 matchmaking.
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Have you ever reached lvl 30 in a match? I just did in a 50 minutes match on Dragon Shire.
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>>137713298
One of the teams in that game is likely retarded. There's no way in 50 minutes there was no chance to end for either team.
>>
>>137713298
The most I've got is 28 on my team 29 on enemy team after 35 mins.

We lost
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>>137713298
This is the closest I've ever gotten.
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>>137713298
What talents do you get at level 30?
>>
>>137713976

Nothing. They stop at 20.
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>>137715045
>he doesn't know of the secret lvl 30 talents
>>
>>137715045
Someones never been lvl 30
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>>137715045
>>
it's a
>enemy team gets Xul on spider queen
episode
>>
>>137690175
Because he's boring to play

But more importantly his art is shit. Manlet with a plastic toysword and plastic armor is not my Lich King.
>>
>>137716614
it's a
>bronzies are too stupid to walk away from xul
episode
>>
You have a certain...........talent
>>
>>137717009
talent? HA! That's generous
>>
>>137695729
Capeshit is dead, anon.
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>>137716750
>when did this become hotter than this?
So much wasted potential
>>
>playing Kael with full stack convection
>throw fury of sunwell at Valla and hit both
>she perfect fine
sadpepe.jpg
>>
Why is Tyrande's ass so fucking big

I'm not at all complaining but holy shit
>>
>>137718517
10,000 years of squats
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>>137718517
Need thunderthighs to stay on top of a running tiger.
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>>137718062
>>137716750
anytime i see arthas or uther all i can see are these toys
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>it's a "enemy team has more kills in Versus AI" episode
>>
>>137719974
Its not healthy to play by yourself.
>>
can anyone translate taco-tongue?
>>
>tfw you can't queue Hero League because the new rotation makes you miss 1 hero
Thanks for making literally every single 2k hero free this week, fucking fags
>>
>>137722474
Are you retarded or just pretending?
>>
>>137722295
They will add rewards for playing during the pre-season
>>
>>137722295
That is all you get for playing in pre-season
AKA when we finally go out of beta
>>
>>137722910
>>137722931
Does it say what rewards exactly?
>>
So HoTS has voice chat now. Neat.
>>
>>137723645
Free exclusive skin for reaching Rank 1
>>
>>137723645
No, I'm assuming those portraits
>>
>>137723645
Nope, nothing about them
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>>137722295
>Reached rank 1 in beta and preseason
I better get two rewards
>>
>>137723870
That's one evil as fuck looking Green Jesus.
>>
>>137723707
wat
>>
how come FORCED 50 isnt a meme anymore?

hell, I am below 50% winrate, I wish it was an actual thing
>>
>>137724303
I downloaded the new alpha browser and it had voice chat for all blizzard games. Not sure if it's automatically active when you're in game yet. I need to test it out.
>>
>>137724431
show winrate
>>
>>137723715
I wish i'd get some free skins every now and then
>>
>the game is ours to lose now, all we need to do is turn in FIVE GEMS, get the webweavers, and we literally win the fucking game right there in one final push
>stupid FUCKING teammates go into a 3v5 while two of us are turning in gems
>we get wiped, they push in and win

Please tell me why I keep playing this absolute trash. Holy shit. I don't fucking get how you can just throw away a win like that just because you're a stupid little greedy nigger. Truly wish I had friends to play this game with but odds are they'd be just as shit because they're a bunch of inept cunts.
>>
>>137725101
how much did you spam retreat
>>
>>137724593
>>
When do the 500 HotD winners get the Azmodunk bundle?
>>
We all know about the dangers of White hammers, but what is the PAID skin that you hate having on your team?

I've never won a game with space leoric on my team
>>
>>137725823
I seem to have a pretty bad winrate with Apothecary Morales, but it's not immediately give up tier like white Hammer
>>
>>137725823
the paid li ming
the paid dehrak
the paid xuls in general have been pretty good.
>>
>>137725823
I don't think I've ever seen anyone use a paid skin in an actual except on hero release week people who bought the bundle
>>
>>137725823
I used to be in the converse position, where I never won a game with Space Lord Leoric.

Luckily, that changed.
>>
>>137725823
For me white hammers are pretty equal, if they're me they're good, if they aren't they're terrible. Opposing red hammers are always the worst threat.
>>
whole rest of the team decided to walk back to spawn and let them push to core

why do people play artanis
>>
>>137725245
That aint all that bad
>tfw my mmr is under 2000
>>
>>137725101
Map awareness does include knowing when your teammates are going to shit the bed too. You should have been aware of the possibility at least.
>>
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Is this good or bad?
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>>137726540
Artanis is one of my favorite heros, it's a shame he's bad though. I'd only really play him now as an offtank, he's just terrible as your only tank and pretty much just a worse sonya otherwise though his blind ult can stuff some comps pretty hard.
>>
>>137726835
you need to play more than one game a month for that to actually mean anything
>>
>>137726968
I would play more, but this game is just incredibly boring
>>
>>137725823
the only correct answer is Roller Derby Nova
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>>137725823
>Commander Raynor on my team
>>
>>137727085
then what are you doing here anon?
leave and go play something you actually enjoy

life is too short to waste on shit you find boring
>>
>>137727314
It's fun again, but that fun won't lost for more than a couple days.

I'm gone as soon as the game gets boring agian
>>
Anyone else been getting this shit?
>>
>>137727675
better do what the chinaman says
>>
>>137727675
seems phishy anon
>>
Hey hotsg what heroes do you love the lore and looks of but cant play because they suck?
>>
>>137727675
Better do it just in case.
>>
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>Dehaka in SC2
>Dehaka gets added to HotS
>he looks very different now
Does that mean there's a chance of the Amazon making in it but with a redesigned appearance to differentiate her from Novazone?
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When the FUCK are we gonna get an actual cool Tauren put in like Bane. I fucking hate ETC.
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>>137728174
Sylvanas
I really like her but suck badly at playing her.
>>137728596
Bane?
>>
>>137728174
I like sylvanus but hate her playstyle
Rexxar
illidan because I suck at him
zeratul ditto
...tyrande ditto
...li ming ditto
Assassins are rough.
>>
>>137728596
>Bane over Cairne
I love memes and all but if we're ever to get a Tauren it should be Cairne.
He's a total bro and a great hero. ;_;7
>>
>>137728596
Why do you hate ETC? Too so lolrandum for you? I agree Cairne would be great though.
>>
>chen's D is cancelled immediately if you spam it

am I crazy or was this changed with the recent patch
>>
>>137659405
>not dying 10x to truly unlock illidan's true power
>>
>>137729041
speaking of dying, why haven't you offed yourself yet
>>
>>137728997
They changed it. Added 0.5s where you can't self-cancel drink and pressing D after that cancels drink.

Yes, it's retarded and unnecessary.
>>
>>137729171
Who else is going to post cute feet
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>>137728206
He actually looks reasonably close to how he did in-game in SC2, which was also weirdly different from his cutscene model. Considering what they did with Xul's design though, Amazon getting a makeover is probably a safe bet if she ever gets added.
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>>137729179
Seriously? I was thinking of buying chen too, he's a fun hero but that just seems like a retarded brain dead change.
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>>137713906

why is dmg so low here
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>>137729179

Yeah, I went to try out his Warmaster skin, been waiting for it to be on sale to buy chen for a while

Instantly cancelling my D out of habit, and I'm not sure I can get used to this
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>>137728174
Arthas and Kerrigan
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>>137729728
no healers/tanks so they all die in seconds.
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>it's a "malf and morales on the same team" episode

no one dies NO ONE DIES I CAN'T KILL ANYTHING
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>>137729986
>dual support meme
It REALLY needs to end. You can make it work but it most often ends in frustration. Makes me want to stop running support altogether in QM just because it happens so often.
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>>137729237

Kill yourself.
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>>137730128

>dual support meme

I think that it depends. Morales/Uther paired with an Illidan, for instance, can be great.

Just like how Tyrande and Tassadar are flexible, more so than, say, Morales, and can be shuffled in just fine.
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>>137730353
well yea, kharazhim tass and tyrande are all pretty flexible in that they can play efficient damage roles and li li can do tons of sustain, but some supports are just water on oil.
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>no one notices minions are pushing the core in
>go back and try to fight it while everyone else fucks around
>can't kill the catapults fast enough
>watch helplessly as my team goes to collect seeds

I think I'm done for today. It's entirely my fault as well, which makes this even worse. I really shouldn't be this furious.
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>>137698138
>>137698190

This. Why so much?
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>>137728596
ETC is better than Baine, Baine is a nobody faggot whose only accomplishment is his father dying. If they put a tauren in put in Cairne
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>tfw your team has so fucking low damage you can't even kill Dehaka
He just pulled morales out from behind us and lost fuck all hp
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>>137733220

>when somebody on the enemy team is HORRIBLY out of position
>nobody on your team punishes
>you're playing something incapable of, like Morales/Li-Li, or whatever

ree
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>>137677557
MODS MODS MODS!
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So who here thinks Tracer is gonna be OP?
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>>137734663
Of course she will be.
Gonna work on those pre-order lad.
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>>137668638
loving the arrow pointing to her crotch on johannas armor
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>>137734663

Meh.

>run in circles around gap-closers
>hit her with CC
>she rewinds and gets temporary immunity
>and reloads
>realize she put a bomb on you before rewinding
>blow up

Maybe she won't be able to rewind out of disables, like Polymorph, and stuns. I really hope she can't.

Also seems like Blinds and Imposing Presence could destroy her damage,
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>>137735074

>around those without gap-closers, rather.

I just hope she's a little more punishing than Li-Ming, who just throws abilities in the general direction of the enemy team, and a lot of it will stick.
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>>137734663
How much hp will she have?
Like, in Overwatch she's pretty much like Murky
But in HotS that would not work
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>>137735074
Recall is going to remove all slows, roots etc. But you can't cast any abillities (or do anything) when you're stunned or polymorphed, so obviously you won't be able to recall out of those either.
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When are they fixing out these retards from the game?
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>dragon shire quickmeme
>get put into a group of five literal children
>muradin and xul go back and forth with 'reported xd' 'reported for reported xD' 'im trolling u mad' 'ur all bad lmao'
>raynor and morales are the other two silent retards
>they dont even try to go for objectives
>they dont even try to stop the enemy team from getting the dragon knight
>games ends with 0-15 in 12 minutes

Every game. Every fucking game today, even my wins, have been the worst experiences I've had in this game thus far. It's not even the weekend, it's fucking TUESDAY. I don't really believe in the forced 50 meme but there's no god damn way that getting these types of shitters every time I climb is a coincidence.
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>>137712375
Betting all my money on johanna with burning rage
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>>137736193
>get put into a group of five literal children
>you're in that group
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>>137736193
>get put into a group of five literal children
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>>137735930
why not? Illidan is already a thing
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>>137736483
>>137736561
i noticed that as soon as i posted it fuck
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>>137736193

>get put into a group of five literal children
>they dont even try to go for objectives
>they dont even try to stop the enemy team from getting the dragon knight
>five literal children
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>>137736193
>>get put into a group of five literal children
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So what's the better ult after the patch? Hunt or Meta? Friend who I play with every other day just started playing Illidan (he has like ~3 games now) and keeps telling me (~70 games as Illidan) that Meta is Teh Best Evar.
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>>137737335

They both have their uses.

Hunt
>stuns, nearly global presence
>Notice somebody horribly out of position
>allows you to quickly get to them
>kill them
>objective spawns, now a 5v4

Metamorphosis
>more the team fight heroic
>pyroblast on you, dodge it with Meta directly onto Kael'thas
>increased health, used to be attack speed, too, think they made increased AS 20 upgrade only

Both fine, I think. Hunt gets a bad reputation from all the people using it mindlessly, like Butcher's E, and dying/feeding.
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>>137736193

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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>>137738210

To add to this, I've found people sometimes say you only ever use Meta, and that Hunt is the noob/trap talent for the reason I listed above, dying/feeding.

I, personally, really like The Hunt if it looks like they have somebody who will be alone often, like a Sylvanas attempting to split-push, Brightwing split-soaking/pushing, Falstad, etc.

Abathur, too. Just be mindful you don't get baited into Hunting into a bush full of mines.
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>>137706156
>>137706336
>>137706414
This>>137706571
CoD is a MOBA too
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>>137738941
ASSFAGGOTS
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>>137660898

I once had a Zagara and Abby using their wormholes to split-push like madmen.
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Why can't we forfeit games where we have two fucking bots on our team?

>just le ping them xd

Like that helps at all.
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>>137728174
Kerrigan, she feels so clunky
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>>137740468

This may sound rough, but literally just ping them, then sit in a lane, avoiding actual conflict.

Game will be over very quickly if it's a 2v5, even quicker if teammates agree to just let it go. Games in Heroes aren't long enough to warrant the implementation of a forfeit system.
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>>137727236
Commander Raynor is a toss up, they either die the moment with anyone with CC looks at him or guess full TACTICAL OPERATIVE with him and finishes with like 14 kills no deaths
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>>137740468
There's a good chance those bots are better than the players themselves
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>>137728206
Click him a few times in the home screen, he talks about how he keeps changing MUH ESSENCE so that's why he looks different from when he was with Kerrigan
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How the fuck do i into Artanis??

Having to be under 50% health to make use of his shield overload is hard as fuck
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>>137740468
I've lost count on how many games i lost because of disconnects.

The bots are literally stupid, unless you are at the core already, it's a lose sentence.
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>>137743717

Play with a Tassadar.

>>137743954

Yeah, I wish the reconnect system didn't take five minutes longer than every other Moba.

How does the engine work, anyways?
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Enemy team was a 5 man pre-made team. The meme is strong with them
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>>137702374
accept your fate
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Anybody else here has the problem, that you can't play the game every day (if the time allows it) or you get burned out?

Its really strange..
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>>137744453
>How does the engine work, anyways?
It replays the whole game at x8 speed when you reconnect. If you have a weak CPU it will be slower than x8
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>>137745000

>free to play moba
>punished for having a potato

Ugh.

>>137744740

>Cho'gall event
>queue 5-stack for days
>friends pick supportless/tankless comps
>murky
>abathur

Fun with friends, I suppose. Least there were two of us eventually willing to fill so we didn't lose every game.

>hateful whispers from people about how we "have to queue five people to win", even if we lost that game

:(
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>queue with stitches
>2 tanks per team
>queue with stitches
>2 tanks per team
>queue with sonya
>1 tank per team, sonya on my team, dehaka on theirs
>queue as greymane, 0 tanks per team, all squishy assassins


SUUUUUUGOOOOOIIIIIIIIIII
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>>137710267
i got put in 32, i fell your pain bruh.
I will just cry in a corner now for both of us
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Got some questions
1. How do you win Battlefields?
2. How do you lose towers of doom?
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>>137677153
>coin into pizza sub
how does he get away with it?
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>>137709045
>tfw "she can be sexy too"
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>>137744753
DELETE THIS
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>>137736193
all the shit you got from /hotsg/ aside, I feel you.
the same shit has happened to me
i dropped from rank 1 to 8 in three days
i had two games in a row where a fucker would troll pick (so we had no warrior or support on the team) and a game where a silenced shit was just running into towers for reasons no one could tell

i don't mind losing as long as I learn something from it, but holy shit there is nothing to learn in a 12 minute game where some asshole just ruins it for everyone by feeding

or when you get a shitty graymane on your team that just jumps in as soon as he sees a red HP bar, dies, then complains about the tassadar pick because "we don't have enough damage"
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>playing Murky
>teammates are fucking trash, not even handing in coins
>they get pushed back
>and don't even try any other strategy to push back other than "run right at the enemy team which has a Morales"
>bribing siege giants and collecting coins asap to help push back
>"Anon, do u even know why ur in this game?" - player with lowest XP contribution
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>>137751954
>stats matter
whatever you say, autistic specialist player :^)
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>>137751954
>playing Murky incorrectly
>blame team
post the replay or stfu
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Hey guys quick question: I'm trying to maximize this free weekend as I'm sure a lot of others are.

The best way to do that, I think, is to spend all of my time trying to get the heroes that are free the least often to 9.

The heroes that I don't have at 9 that fit this criteria are:

Abathur
Zeratul
Murky
The Lost Vikings

Any others that you know aren't free very often?
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>>137752627
Level every 10k hero.
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>>137751954
tales from cardboard league
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What's the baseline mmr for you to not consider someone garbage?
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>>137752627
First get everyone to level 5. That's like 8 games if you win half without the exp boost so less with it
Then go for level 9 with the 10k gold heroes
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>>137755947
3.5k
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>>137751954
>they get pushed back
>bribing siege giants and collecting coins asap to help push back
wtf is that, like, even supposed to fucking mean
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>>137755947
(my mmr)-100=not garbage
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>>137755981
Has there been any inflation? I was around 3200 when kaelthas was new and that had me in master league. I'd like to think you're not totally ass if you're in masters. This was for qm though.
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>>137756241
>This was for qm though.
then it's literally completely 100% meaningless
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>>137756241
>kaelthas was new
lol
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>>137756391
I was only high diamond in HL I think, around the same mmr though.

>>137756502
Yeah I got sick of the game. Thinking about giving it another shot though.
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>>137727236

Raynor still my highest winrate, no idea why, I can barely stutter step.
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>>137751954

>player with lowest XP contribution

yeah this is how you can tell somebody plays specialists
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>sky temple
>bot temple is up in 10s
>we're all together, mounted, going towards it
>ETC stops and starts the boss with the entire enemy team in the area
>he gets hooked as soon as he touches it
>we now have to either let him die or walk through the boss
>we try to save him, lose the team fight
>ETC: FUCKING NOOBS
I'm sorry I'm not very good at this game
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>>137756763
>I was only high diamond in HL I think
well then that's relevant

why would you even bother saying your QM mmr

like i said QM mmr is more or less completely meaningless
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Alright /vg/, who are the best players of /vg/... not counting all the guys who quit months ago?

Gotta know who it's safe to play with now that I'm back :))
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>>137757216
Hl was moderately new when I quit, so a lot of people used their qm mmr.
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>>137757335
it's homicidal

it isnt really even a question
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>>137755947

HL MMR is meaningless and a waste of time to pursue until they reset (which IS confirmed and coming)!

If you look at a lot of the highest MMR players (not all), you will notice that the LARGE majority of their games in HL are back from when you could 4 stack in ranked play. That made games a stomp. Imagine you're all in curse and the enemy isn't, or you're all super organized and played well together over many games. The point is that these added unfair variables that you could manipulate that are no longer present in the game. There is a reason they are resetting ranks, and likely a soft mmr reset as well; it's because the system is fucked as it is.
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>>137757720
cant you still 4 stack in HL?
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>>137757720
That's when I quit. If you didn't stack you were fucked, but everyone I played with from /vg/ was fucking awful (no offense).
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>>137757453

Who? No one has ever heard of that guy. therefore he not on the list.
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>wonder what mmr is
>install hotslog uploader, put games in
>slow to update so come back next day
>fucking diamond

And I'm bloody awful at the game.

Okay, I haven't really played League, but it seems as though far fewer players are Platinum/Diamond than in SC2/Hots, what gives?
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>>137757868
the team league leaderboard has

don't even pretend like any of the shitters who post here have ever come close to that
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>>137757419
QM mmr is pretty unpredictable because it's literally playing slot machines. RNG decides wich team gets the shittiest comp and wich team gets a free win.

There has been a small inflation in the MMR but not by much. 3K is still considered pretty good.

HL ranks say absolutely nothing though. every shitter can reach Rank 1 easily and there's a huge skill difference between all the Rank 1 players.

I quit a little after you did and started again in Febuari, really enjoying the larger hero pool so far, wich was my biggest concern.
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>>137757791
Nope, max is 2 people queing together for HL.

You can still cheat the system by queing with someone far lower then you, you get matched on average mmr so a Rank 10 and a Rank 40 player will face ~rank 25's wich means the rank 10 can pubstomp as long as he gets an assasin.
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>>137758164
Takada made the list once, and I'm not sure if the panda lover also made the list
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>>137757791

Nope, you can't. Do you think I just brought up that point for no reason at all?

>>137757852

Now is the time to quit, not back then. Anyone who played then had an unfair advantage relative to those of us trying to grind up hotslogs MMR now. Hotslogs is also bullshit because you get heavily inflated MMR growth during your first 100 or so games; the difference between 250-25+ points per game versus 5-9 points per game. This shit system makes it very difficult to discern actual player skill after a certain amount of games. Are you also telling me that a player cannot have exponential skill growth? I'd wager that it is actually the more likely case.

How do you fix the system? Blizzard needs to change their shit ranked system to Bronze-Grandmaster (as they said they will do soon) so that people learn to pay no respect to hotslogs mmr.

- an angry 3.2kish player.
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>>137757876
Your first couple of games can be really deciding. It can give you 100's of MMR points for a win.

And the MMR tier is very different from other MOBA's.

Diamond in hots would be something like Gold in LoL.
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>>137758164
I've played with homicidal in HL before, but I've never seen him in /vg/ chat. I'm pretty sure I would have noticed if his name had ever popped up around here.
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>>137758483
A. They add their own MMR system that people will whine about

B. They won't show MMR but only Bronze-GM tier and people will still use hotslogs

Pick your poison.
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>>137757335
Me
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i can't stop thinking about her guys...
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>>137758187
>RNG decides wich team gets the shittiest comp and wich team gets a free win.
i honestly think QM comps are usually fairly reasonable, i mean yeah they can be comically rediculous with 3 tanks or whatever but IMO they're even, ridiculous, but even. It's more common to see games thrown because some nooblet will start going all "OMG they have li-ming and we don't gg wp nt" when they don't realize that the enemy li-ming is being played by a spectacularly bad player and can be countered with basic game knowledge and knowing how to punish bad play. But instead they just start immediately typing in allied chat all game long instead of playing and lose because of that.

I mean like, I don't really care about QM comps because I can play losenara and literally mow down the enemy team all game, and pick up an ez win even though I have like teammates who are soloing camps during objective or whatever. Comps don't necessarily matter THAT much in the QM blender.

The biggest reason some QM games are blowouts is because in QM blizz doesn't really give a shit about even MMR and just wants to slap together teams with a queue full of a million free week zeratul players and not much variation, I'm pretty sure MMR just goes out the window when building QM teams.
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>>137758743
I mean he's in /vg/ chat

you can go check

do you mind if I ask what your btag is
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>>137758389
>I'm not sure if the panda lover also made the list
I think he did actually

but I think he's been inactive recently
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>>137759264
You haven't played much QM then or you're on the lucky side.

>Tyrande/Tass vs a real healer
>Lose
>Sonya/anub vs a real tank
>lose
>Get shitlords like nova/gaz
>lose
>They get a Ming and you don't
>Lose
>Get a specialist who plays PvE
>Lose

There's only 2 things that really matter in every matchups:"Skill level and team composition"
Skill levels tend to be average so it mostly comes down to team compositions.
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>>137759947
>Average
Fuck, i ment equal
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>>137759969
10 000 years of hatred in ms paint
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>>137758483
Yeah I feel your pain. I got in like halfway through the alpha. My mmr was fairly written in stone before hero league even dropped. By the time I even started going to hotslogs my average mmr change was around 8.
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>>137759947
>Skill levels tend to be average so it mostly comes down to team compositions.

in my experience it seems more like the opposite. sure, i would prefer a more viable comp but in the end i have lost far too many matches where my comp is significantly better because people on my team don't know basic shit like how to soak exp.
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>>137759947
bro it's fucking QM, not high level HL. You can carry games as gazlowe.

I've carried QM games as brightwing ffs

I mean I'm not going to be a dick and say you're bad or anything, but like you can't blame every loss on "muh team comps"
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>>137760378
Way back in the day all you had to do was heal well to win every single QM game you played. I think that's how I hit master league back in the day.
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>>137759402
It's Thisigia#1480. That number might be wrong since I can't really be assed to remember it. Guess I just never noticed homicidal in /vg/ chat before, huh. I was surprised to see Rawrior in there a couple times last week, too. Guess I'm just too used to assuming everyone in /vg/ chat is shit.
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>>137759880
I didn't make the list
I'm trying though
and I haven't been inactive at all. Just ask weedubs or gucci or whoever else is in /vg/ chat
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>>137760867
yeah i think i've heard your name get kicked around before, not necessarily around here either

I mean I just kind of assumed it was homicidal because he was the only one in /vg/ chat who I actually noticed

Like I didn't see rawrior in /vg/ ever, if I'd seen him I wouldn't be all "homicidal is the best"

I didn't think any high level players touched this general with a 2000 foot pole tdh
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>>137761467
I think it was Kenma or Erho who browsed here.
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>>137759969
valla has the perfect size
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>>137761798
probably kenma

he was a /lolg/ regular for a bit IIRC
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>>137761467
I'm not sure if rawrior is really a regular, though. He really only showed up after the aram map got added and I only saw him post links to aram games that had mostly non-vg randos in it. I dunno, he may just be a super lurker or just not want anything to do with us. I don't blame him.

>>137761798
I doubt they browse regularly, if at all. That one tweet was from 3 years ago and could have easily been just a repost of a screenshot that someone gave him.
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>>137762454
that guy who's #13 and goes by "JoeyGoebbels" seems like the 4chan type
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>>137763227
>JoeyGoebbels
kek.

Doubt anyone in top 100 browses here though. They would constantly brag about it if they did.
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>>137763428
Takada was top 100.
then he stopped playing ;_;
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>>137696007
>>137696554
>>137697016
>>137699357
>>137697463
>>137697872
>>137698451
>>137699201
All those are posible if we get the golden age superman.
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>>137763428
>Doubt anyone in top 100 browses here though.
its fun to pretend sometimes

;_;
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>>137763552
But he exclusively played the most overpowered hero in the game.
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>butcher free week

K I L L

M E

N O W
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>>137763702
Is there any other way to play?
>Get put into masters because i abuse TLV
>Now have to face master level opponents when i'm basicly bronze at non-meme heroes

>>137763705
Lmao nerd, just walk away from him.
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>>137763705
me2

why is butcher such a trashcan magnet

>mfw our last pick highlights butcher
>mfw you instantly know that he's the type of player who isn't going to change that pick under any circumstances
>he even has the portrait
death please set me free
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>>137763879
sorry should have clarified

O N

M Y

T E A M
>>
>want to play minglee
>HL always first bans her
suffering
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>>137763702
Not exclusively!
sometimes he played the most broken duo combo in the game, diablo tyrande (during tyrande meta)
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>>137763702
>>137763879
>>137764114
wait was it TLV or kale thus
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>>137764114
>40% winrate with every other hero including ignite kael
lmao what a joke no wonder he retired
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>>137764089
just play magestad
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>>137764168
Go to hotslogs and look up takada.
You should find the answer pretty quick.
>>
will we be able to pre-order, get tracer and cancel the pre-order like with artanis?
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>>137763552
>then he stopped playing ;_;
what
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>>137764601
Why ask us?
Do you think we work at blizzard or we're psychics that can see into the future?

i assume it'll work the same way but it's up to you to take the risk.
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>>137764653
He quit in on Feb 8.
6 days after Leming was added.

As a TLV main i can feel his pain.
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>>137764960
>he quit
i died a little just now
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>>137764601
god dammit was that actually possible
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>>137764960
>Post this
>Realise Leming is banned every game now
>I can actually play TLV again
Holy shit why didn't i think of this before?
freelo here i come.
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>>137765206
>Leming counters vikings
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>>137765401
Not anymore now that she actually has to manage to hit them before they die to receive credit on her passive. A lot of people forget about that nerf.
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magestad question

i've been having a lot of fun and doing great with magestad, but I don't feel like I use overdrive properly. I kind of just pop it whenever there's an engage to empower my GS hammerang, but it doesn't really feel like it's doing significantly more damage and I almost feel like I'd be better off with the hammerang stun, a talent that i absolutely fucking loved. I don't always have the presence of mind to pop it when it's time to have my my big moment and pop hinterland blast, and like I've seen people kill 60% heroes with overdrive + HB combo, so like is the purpose of picking overdrive pretty much exclusively just to save it until you want to cast HB and combo it? Should I bother popping overdrive just for like 1 or 2 hammerang throws?
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>>137765401
>Can't join teamfights because you give her constant free resets
>Erik and Baelog die to 1 orb
>Laser hits pretty much all your guys and gives more lasers
>Play again became the stronger ult
>Even more resets because of Play Again

You're forced to afk in lanes all game and pretend splitpushing is a real thing like a literal bronzie.
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>>137765552
whatever
>giant AOE deathball
>nicks an olaf that the TLV player isn't paying attention to
>olaf dies
>gimmie dem resets
>gg nt says the vikings player
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>>137765823
Personally i say go for Hammer Time, It's easier to use and most of your damage comes from Q, Hammer Time let's you chase down kills you otherwise wouldn't have got and it helps in teamfights.
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>>137765823
>taking Overdrive or Hinterlands Blast
Aerie Gusts is where it's at
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>>137765945
>Play again became the stronger ult
>Even more resets because of Play Again
I'm sorry for laughing at your suffering but hahahha
>liming with 10 straight resets
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>>137766380
I know gust is the stronger ult the only reason I'm going hinterland is just to spice it up a little
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>i'm a ___ main
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>>137766791

>Jack of all trades, Master of none.
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>>137765823
It is just 25s CD while HB is like what? 100? 120? there is no problem in using it casually for hammers. If you save it too much, you could be wasting it.

I also prefer taking secret weapon + lvl 16 stun, just because I am lazy.
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>>137766887
>jack of one trade, and I probably still suck at it
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>>137759880
Thisiga made the list too
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>>137767002
>I also prefer taking secret weapon
dude you gotta get on BOOMerang

BOOMerang + a bunch of GS stacks and 1 well timed hammerang activation will cut 3 players on the other team's health bars in half

its a fucking blast dude
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>>137766791

>actually saw a thread posted by somebody titled "as a specialist main I think--"
>specialist main

like what does that even mean, that they like pve and view other players as interruptions, or something
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im new..ish but not that new and I just got artanis to 10 and I wanna talk about him. I know he isn't the best so dont bring that up at all but I want to talk about two talents. The lv1 and lv10 ones. How do you guys feel about block to amateur opponent? I pretty much always regret block over the other because it just kills builds and creep and boss so fucking fast. Even vs a mostly auto attack enemy team.

I kind of feel similar about blind vs beam utimates. I dont regret it as much as block because rarely its preforms its job whereas beam Im always happy even if it doesnt kill someone most of the time it completely takes someone out of a fight which is usually more significant than blind a few seconds. Just seems like everyone can "kite" out blind for a few seconds

anyways I'd love to hear better artanis players thoughts. I would love to be proven wrong
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>>137767613
>that they like pve and view other players as interruptions, or something
yes

there's an autistic cancer in HOTS of 13 year olds who are too antisocial to teamfight

so they run away and split push all game
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Made a general for the next big MOBA, come join.
>>137766875
>>137766875
>>137766875
....
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Since Tracer is on the way to the nexus, does this mean that we gonna have to SHARE our general with the overwatch fags?

Those guys even have lore to share or fresh memes?
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>>137767049

>jack of one trade
>still suck at it

You're an idiot.
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>>137767881
>in HOTS
It's not just in hots, it happens in dota and league, but its actually a decently viable tactic there.
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>>137767613
people who say main and kit make me throw up in my own mouth
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>>137767881
>there's an autistic cancer in HOTS of 13 year olds who are too antisocial to teamfight
>so they run away and split push all game
people who waifu Sylvanas ruin WoW and HotS
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>>137767987
Can't be worse than a dead thread, I for one, welcome our new Buttwatch friends.
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>>137767932

>14 heroes

This can't be right, lol

>>137768110

Yeah, what is it about split-pushing in Heroes that makes it less valuable? Are the additional catapults added to each wave not enough, or is that not the issue?
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>>137767987
tracer got mad because purple woman murdered a jesus robot
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>>137768474
Too slow compared to winning objectives, maps small compared to their counterparts, and it's harder to escape when you can't ward for vision to know when to gtfo.
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>>137768714

'Gotcha. Spent my early games playing Sylvanas like an assassin, I suppose, clearing waves and rotating around, taking structures when we were forced to give up an objective, boss, or whatever.

Worked out, for the most part. Eventually learned of Sylv's reputation as the pve goddess, along with Hammer and Gazlowe.

Had a bit of success with Lunara, too. Between her little mobile ward, Nature's Culling at 7, and Thornwood Vine at 10.
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>>137768474
>>137768714
>>137769118
Split pushing works-but as a mean for winning but mostly for gaibning exp advantage. A good spec can rotate between lanes when the rest of the group pressure the opponents in one lane and it gets a couple or more towers thus gaining an advantage in obj teamfight.
Azmos ult can literally clear wave and apply crazy pressure while he leaves and rotate somewhere else, xul doesn't even need to attack anything but just clear a single ave of skeletons to retreat to the rest of them team and laugh as the skellies push, and hammer...no, well, hammer can actually destroy towers before 1st obj BUT she needs to team up with a decent teamate. Its crazy the amount of hurt hammer can unleash on enemy's towers before objectives when played decently(and with a decent team).
Wich, sadly, occurs basically NEVER.
every time i see a spec is always a "HURR DURR LOOK, IM PUSHING ALONE! IM WAITING TO BE GANKED BY 5 THROBBINGS COCKS AND/OR IGNORING THE TEAMFIGHT FOR OBJECTIVE TO ACHIEVE ONE TOWER DESTROYED! IMMA SO GOOD!"
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>>137768474
its in early alpha

There will be 39 heros when the game is released and becomes free to play.

Its much more complex compared to HotS but its simmilar in two ways, it has a travel mode, and it requires lots of team rotations compared to other MOBAs.

If you are tired of shared experience and the lack of personal resources then you will enjoy Paragon
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>>137768474
"splitpushing" usually by extension means "blowing objective"
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>>137769708

Yeah, I know. As the above fellow >>137769642 seemed to suggest, a lot of specialists effectiveness can fall off. Xul, for instance, can blow his Q and W, slice down a wave, but then he's spent. All he has is basic attacks for the buildings, and he may as well rotate up to another lane. Perhaps people don't realize this when playing those with heavy waveclear, and decide to just sit in their lane.

Actually had a Sylv say she was going to report me for coming into her lane. No idea, honestly.

>>137769662

Really? I may need to check it out, then.

And I don't think complexity is really a selling point, nor is personal experience. We already have Dota, and then, to a lesser extent, League, relative to Hots, anyway.
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>>137769662
why is paragon even considered a MOBA

i feel like click to move is such a critical part of MOBAs, paragon feels like playing basketball without dribbling

It's more like WoW 5s: the game or something
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>>137769995
yeah that's another thing, xul or azmo is almost better serviced rotating lanes hard and just mowing down minions in as many lanes as possible
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>>137769995
I just think personal currency and item building is a huge selling point of MOBAs, being able to get fed as an individual and compare that strength to weaker opponents

With HotS you dont really get that, just the ability to build through ability customization. But HotS has alot of roations so if you have the knowledge of when to push and when to rotate this game will be easy for you and is simmilar in that regard.

>>137769995
Id say toweres, nexus, minions, items, levels, lanes are more essential and what makes up a MOBA

Its still the same genre and same strategy, just nice looking and from a different angle
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>>137770159

Perhaps, Azmodan has his laser. Might not be terribly strong without talents, though. I'm not sure.


I had actually put some thought into Azmodan; it seemed to me that it may be possible to soak/push two lanes simultaneously, on smaller maps, at least, provided you're able to 1-hit the waves in the lane you aren't occupying.

Wonder if he would be able to soak all three, depending, and without missing a minion.

>still don't own him
>difficulty justifying spending ten thousand
>maybe he'll be the next hero to be reduced in price
>or nazeebo
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the point of split pushing is to create certain battle scenarios to best suit your composition.

the first type of fight is teamfighting, which is a 5v5, and the 2nd type you can call 'skirmish', which is typically 1v1, 2v2, or 3v3.

the point of most specialist and split pushing is to create more frequent skirmishes so that the enemy team can never get a 5v5. you pressure all parts of the map at once so that they split their team up. you do this when they have a better 5v5 comp, and you do it when you have heroes that need a skirmish scenario to be most effective, like zeratul, abathur w his Q, kerrigan, anub, brightwing w her Z, etc. skirmish is the default intended playstyle for HoTs. objectives are included in the game to be a mitigating factor so that less-suitable skirmish teams do not get steamrolled.
the community at large is still on the path to figuring out that 5v5 is not the intended playstyle. going by a game like sc2, the community may very well never figure out the designers intent and we will never truly see hots as it was intended.
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>>137770416

>I just think personal currency and item building is a huge selling point of MOBAs, being able to get fed as an individual and compare that strength to weaker opponents


Agreed, and it's the biggest thing that I dislike about Heroes, and one of the reasons I'm not even playing right now.

Still enjoy reading/talking about the game, though. The odd match or two usually just stresses me out, though. More worrying about others than myself. Haven't been able to just focus on doing my own thing, not that it really matters in Heroes.
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>>137770816
except if they're not retarded they'll just massacre the other team at objective in a 4v5, let sylvanas take a tower, and then gank her when they're done
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>>137770816
>the community at large is still on the path to figuring out that 5v5 is not the intended playstyle
teamfights are the only good thing about HOTS
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>>137770869
Yeah i feel the same way. I come back for a few games every once in a while, never really play religiously anymore.
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>>137770945
you dont win by getting every objective.
if the other team is playing correctly, sending all 5 heroes at the objective every time, and securing it every time, will merely keep you even or only slightly behind. map control gives you more of an advantage faster than objectives do.
the main problem is that if nobody understands these concepts, or is still under the delusion that victory is a function of how many objectives you get or dont get, then the plan can never come to fruition.
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>>137770545
You could push 3 lanes alone if there are no enemy heroes clearing waves. You can't really soak the xp from all 3 lanes tho
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>>137769995
>>137770159
exactly, i like them because they fill an empty lane with minions then rotate to help teammates or to leave shit on another.
intead, 905 of the spec i see just sit in a lane the WHOLE FUCKING GAME then cry because they make everyone lose.
in hots you don't claim a lane and stick there the whole game, what i really like about it its that it rewards moving costantly and adapt team strategies during the whole match.
While in dota you usually have a role and you stick to it the whole game-giving assist only on planned teamfight-in hots you move costantly trying to surprise the enemy to gain some xp from towers or some kills. Its fun and rewarding, but its so hard to get a decent team to do that with...
>>137770545
Azmo laser is not to be used on towers-unless the whole enemy team is wiped and you are sure no one's going to gank you-because if you are lasering enemy towers you might even get one or two, but you'll die horribly because azmo is an obese motherfucker and cannot escape from anyone. Lazer is to be seen as a good teamfight addition-only if enemy team has little to no stuns. I ratyher build minions/globe and clear lanes safely from a distance while helping in lane's skirmishes.
>>137770816
kek, like other anon said
>>137770945
>except if they're not retarded they'll just massacre the other team at objective in a 4v5, let sylvanas take a tower, and then gank her when they're done

this. You NEVER plit push at objectives unless you have a good lvl advantage and only in certain cases(like garden of terror). You split push before obj and force skirmished while applying pressure in lanes and rotating to help m8s skirmishing so either they have advantage and kill 1/2 enemies or apply anyway more pressure and tower damage in the contested lane before you rotate again and begin anew.
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>>137771241
sc2 and hots were made with the goal of being the best possible spectator experience for fans, to win the battle of esports.

to create the best spectator experience the vision was to create a design that ensured that there was action happening as frequently as possible and there were few or no lulls. action was meant to be happening on all parts of the map all the time so that there was always something to watch.
hots was designed so that the team that is most active on the map will snowball quicker, and that the team that most intelligently splits and coordinates their heroes to control more of the map for longer will always win.
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>>137771358
>this. You NEVER plit push at objectives unless you have a good lvl advantage and only in certain cases(like garden of terror).

almost every game will have one comp that is simply better at 5v5s. if their team has Avatar, Archon, Phoenix, and you have Judgement and Lamb to the Slaughter, and specialists in general, you dont want to 5v5. you want to skirmish and mitigate the power of their teamfight potential.

the reason this works is like i said - winning and losing isnt a function of getting the most objectives. the objective is the most valuable individual thing, but the value of the objective doesnt trump a team that is active in 3 or more places on the map.

if you send 5 to the tribute and the other team just pushes 3 lanes and gets a camp, you are severely behind. if you react on the next tribute by sending less than 5, then the tribute is decided by a 2v2 or 3v3 instead of a 5v5, and that what your intent all along.
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>>137771987
>and that what your intent

*and that was their intent

also i flipped the first and second person pronouns from the first lines to the last ones, that was dumb.
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>>137771987
>you dont want to 5v5.
these are some pretty fucking whacko theories dude
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>>137771987
Obviously there are a lot of factors in the equation. team comp, map, level...
tribute, for examples, are not as much as vital until the third one. You can splitpush, while having 1/2 pokers to slow them at the first 2 tributes while the rest of the gains massive amounts of exp and then steamroll them on the next 3 tributes and win.
But in most cases-when a good obj pops up you'll eventually 5vs5. you can do that once or twice depending on a map, but ignoring objs after lv 15 means simply defeat.
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>>137772304
have you never played zeratul, or butcher, or xul

and been like 'man, i cant walk into this 5v5 clusterfuck, ill just die to aoe before i can do anything. if only this was a 2v2 then i could dominate'

there are tons of heroes like that. almost every hero has 1 ultimate that is dominant in a skirmish but crap in a 5v5. like ultralisk, raynors raiders, pyroblast, the Hunt. haymaker.

abathurs entire design is to never ever 5v5 and always skirmish because symbiote is like having .5 of a hero anywhere at anytime.
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>>137771987
>if you send 5 to the tribute and the other team just pushes 3 lanes and gets a camp, you are severely behind. if you react on the next tribute by sending less than 5, then the tribute is decided by a 2v2 or 3v3 instead of a 5v5, and that what your intent all along.
If you send more than them to the tribute you cap it in 5 seconds and then leave and go back to what you were doing. The only time this wouldn't be optimal is if the enemy team is pressuring a lane as 5 and are threating a keep. You've created this situation in your head where somehow the enemy team is able to put down walls and forts in the blink of an eye, but there is no hero that can solo push down a fort from 100 to 0 in the the time it takes for your team to take a tribute, or kill 40 gremlins, or cap an entire sky temple shrine, etc etc etc. Grouping up and dealing with objectives is the best way to take down structures. If split pushing every lane is so good why did literally all of the teams at the championship last weekend not use this tactic?
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>>137772748
what ENABLES these heroes and these ults to flourish or even work at all is the concept of split pushing which is such a central part of hots design that they created an entire class based around it. split pushing and specialists serve the purpose of creating pressure by themselves on many parts of the map at once, the function of this is to split up their team so as to enabler skirmishes to get preferred smaller battles and avoid 5v5s.
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>>137772470
>>137772748
>>137772961
>>137772470
>>137772748
i mean like, these situations you're talking about are so complex they're kind of meaningless.
>you want to split post 16 and if your team has good dive and strong poke but weak heals has a SA zera with vorpal blade the other team has a mura and a murky with octograb and if its cursed hollow and your team has 2 tribs but the enemy team has 1 and if its the middle of october and the moon is a waxing cresent
like alright dude yeah maybe in that situation you want to splitpush but IDK what the fuck you're even talking about at this point
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>>137772852
you can still delay a objective cap a long time without sending 5. it takes time for their full 5 to arrive and all the time they spend in transit is a complete waste for them. before their 5 arrives together you can delay the cap with 2 or 3 heroes while your other 2 or 3 heroes never left their lane, never wasted time travelling, and just furthered your lead and were productive the entire time.

i cannot tell you why people dont do it. im just telling you what is the intent of the design. im telling you why specialists exist, why most melee assassins exist, why many ults exist. they exist for a map control style where fights are smaller scale and more frequent, and teamfights are rare, and the greater reward and the greater snowballing goes to the side that splits up more intelligently and takes more of these small battles. this design is structured around the #1 biggest innovation and iteration of HotS versus the previous mobas which is the specialist role.
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>>137773598
>i cannot tell you why people dont do it. im just telling you what is the intent of the design. im telling you why specialists exist, why most melee assassins exist, why many ults exist.
have you ever considered that you're just insane
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>>137772961
And that's during all phases with the exeption of objs. you need obj to win, split pushing is used to create a series of advantages-usually more exp and to force the opponents to face your treath and move from their current position(while you hopefully either have an ally defending you or you retread you ass safe or rotated). Its not useless but definetely you don't win games by split pushing all the times.
You just make your team lose, HARD.
Like, >>137773773 might not be wrong. i don't think you really play the game outside IA matches.
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>>137773598
>you can still delay a objective cap a long time without sending 5.
you are fucking cancer
>hey team just fucking delay our inevitable loss as long as fucking possible and hope my splitpush bullshit in bot lanes works out eventually! I'm the only character who can win the game, you guys are literally just there to distract the other team from my glorious splitpush. We're totally gonna win this game! All because of me!
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>>137774226
this made me chuckle.
But yeah, its true. Only maps when splitpushing during objs are maybe tributes( on early tributes-like, the first- you can succesfuly splitpush and have only 1-2 heroes poke the enemy team to delay them)and maybe the first half of the immortal8after half health you better move your ass and wipe them before they kill your imm tho or you are a retard)
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>>137773598
>you can still delay a objective cap a long time without sending 5
Not without heavy risk of dieing yourself, thereby nullifying any lead you hoped to create with your 4v5.
>it takes time for their full 5 to arrive and all the time they spend in transit is a complete waste for them
Waves in this game come out at a slower speed than other mobas: two per minute. In the half a minute it took to take the objective you got one whole minion wave on your enemy. If they took anything big, they came out on top. And, the time it takes to go from the top of the raven map to the bottom on a mount is only roughly 20 seconds, shorter than the time it takes for a minion wave to spawn and walk into lane.
>before their 5 arrives together you can delay the cap with 2 or 3 heroes while your other 2 or 3 heroes never left their lane, never wasted time travelling, and just furthered your lead and were productive the entire time.
So in this situation you've setup a scenario where your team arrive as 4 first but the other team have travel time? That's not happening.

Please stop posting any time.
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>>137774589
I mean I don't even really need to agree with you because it's the fucking broadly accepted truth. How this guy has somehow concluded that objectives aren't, y'know, literally objectives and you're only supposed to send like 1 or 2 dudes to them to "skirmish" I have no fucking clue. Like yeah maybe if objectives didn't do anything but they're valuable as fuck. Handing the other team a curse is just....i don't even know what to say. I hate to use another sports analogy but this is like if some hockey coach said "we're gonna pull our goalie all game long! we'll have 6 skaters, that's a player advantage all game! I've solved hockey!"

How the fuck would he figure that the cancer QM splitpush meta is "how the game is supposed to be played" when fucking TOWERS OF FUCKING DOOM EXISTS AND THE ONLY WAY TO WIN IS BY PLAYING THE FUCKING OBJECTIVE.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>137774226
no. if they are sending 5 there is no reason to send 4.

if you know they are sending 5 and you dont want to send 5, you are already conceding you will not get the objective.

your only intent of sending anyone at all is to 1) delay them 2) keep them honest about their intent to send 5. if they notice you are not sending 5 and that you are focusing on the map instead, they will try to send less every time, so you must keep them honest.
but if you are active on the map with 2-3 heroes and they always send 5 to the objective, you will come out ahead, on most maps. even if you dont come out ahead, your intent is to best utilize the heroes and kits you do have, which may not include abilities meant to flourish in 5v5. and to punish them for never splitting. thats my main point - the game gives you a mechanism to punish people who never split.

>>137774932
>Not without heavy risk of dieing yourself
thats the difference between bads and not bads.
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>>137775227
>towers of doom

thats another great illustrator of my point. tons of maps have split objectives. the design of the game is almost completely biased against 5v5 as the expression of winning or losing.

towers gives you the extra shots mechanic and also the boss, so that a map control skirmish team stays even or ever comes ahead of a 5v5 team, as long as you dont lose 2+ objs in any round, which you never should because thats the skirmishes that you want.

dragon shrine is a unique example because it punishes a 5v5 team for trying to focus on the objective first. it forces a splitup which causes such teams to lose automatically versus a skirmish team unless they adapt their strategy to winning one side at a time in sequence. its an interesting competence check.

the egypt map, is mostly the same thing as towers of doom. you can get punished for not splitting and rewarded for splitting intelligently, although the boss can be a balance mechanism for the team who wishes not to split.

and theres a few others.
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>>137775227
and yet
>>137775251
This is probably your best post, 10/10, it MUST be bait, i rreally want to believe so because otherwise you are fucking cancer and i NEVER want to play with you in QM.
>our only intent of sending anyone at all is to 1) delay them
>ut if you are active on the map with 2-3 heroes and they always send 5 to the objective, you will come out ahead, on most maps

my sides
i don't know if keep laughing or crying
because you are everything that's wrong with this game community
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>>137775251
>but if you are active on the map with 2-3 heroes and they always send 5 to the objective, you will come out ahead, on most maps
No, you won't. That isn't true. That's not how it works. That doesn't happen. I don't know what else to fucking say. You're denying things that are quantifiable facts.

Like the other guy said, maybe 1st punisher on shrines or the occasional tribute on CH but in all other situations giving up objective means giving up the game, it's really very simple. That's just how the game works. There isn't really an alternative explanation. You're either retarded or have somehow transcended humanities concept of logic.
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>>137679158

It's to protest mute bans.

I've never done it but anytime I see it it's always someone who is muted.

I have a friend who whenever he gets mute banned he goes into ranked mode, picks leoric and afk's on the enemy core.

He did this before I had seen anyone else do it so he came up with the idea on his own, as I'm assuming others did or started copying it.
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>>137776063
How does "protesting" a mute ban make any sense? It's a sign you're acting like a faggot so lets act like an even bigger faggot and actively ruin games?
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>>137775786
>i NEVER want to play with you in QM.

i dont play like this in qm. but it does offer an explanation to me every time i lose.

i dont have time every qm game to give a dissertation on hots design to my random partners, i have to go with whatever the community believes in order to actually play.

im just offering you an explanation next time you're thinking to yourself things like 'why does abathur even exist'
'why does water dragon exist, its retarded'
'why is dehaka a strictly worse muradin'
'why is anub so shitty in a teamfight and a bad tank'
'why would i ever take stage dive over mosh'
'why are zeratul and butcher just helpless roadkill in a 5v5 and why would i take shadow assault'

im telling you why. or more like the game is telling you why.

you only have to play a couple weeks and you'll find plenty of games where you win every objective and lose, or you lose every objective and win. the objective is the most valuable individual thing on the map, and in the case of split objectives its required to get some of them. but collecting many things of small value can add up to be more than collecting the objective.
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>>137775778
>dragon shrine is a unique example because it punishes a 5v5 team for trying to focus on the objective first
or they gank 1 shrine, then gank 2nd shrine
>the egypt map, is mostly the same thing as towers of doom. you can get punished for not splitting and rewarded for splitting intelligently
or they gank 1 shrine, then gank 2nd shrine

i just.....holy fucking shit
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When?
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>>137776432
>water dragon
>dehaka a worse muradin
>stage dive
I'm crying
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>>137776551
unfortunately intelligently splitting does mean not suiciding into greater numbers. thats generally why it doesnt work, particularly with randoms. it requires awareness of the map, and probably some communication, which are things that the design of HotS values.

but it is simple math that splitting is better than not splitting. you travel less, you are productive more, and quantity is better than quality when it comes to the various goals that are situated around the map.
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>>137776432
>you'll find plenty of games where you win every objective and lose, or you lose every objective and win
???????????????????????????????????

You're basically saying "you'll find games that you win but lose, and games that you lose but somehow win."
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>>137776952
you will play games where you get all the objectives but lose the game, and vice versa

winning the game is killing the core and mostly about winning hero battles large or small. the team that gets more objectives doesnt automatically win. this should be obvious.
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>>137776878
>you travel less, you are productive more
and die more

don't forget die way fucking more
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>>137776878
>but it is simple math that splitting is better than not splitting
I wish this was some meta humor shitpost about how to properly play vikings, but this has gone on so long I'm actually sorry for you Anon.
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>>137776337

I can't say why everyone else does it but my friend does it because he hates blizzard and the community that reports him so he doesn't care if he ruins the communities time, he also finds it very funny.

He does it multiple times a day so when people match with him again they leave and take the leaver penalty rather than play with him and he just laughs

To be fair though mute bans are the most fucking retarded thing ever when there's a language filter, mute options, and an option to turn off chat all together.

I have never been banned because I only talk shit to those who start it or to those who are atrociously terrible and refuse to listen to advice.
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>>137777218
when people run out of steam, start gravitating away from making counterpoints and into making flippant personal jabs, i take that as the sign that my point has been made, and i feel satisfied. so thank you.
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>why is dehaka a strictly worse muradin'
>'why is anub so shitty in a teamfight
>why does water dragon exist
MY SIDES
PLZ
STOP
you have no literal idea on what you are asaying, do you?
You do split in certain objectives-but definetely NOT to push. You split to take the fucking objective-and sooner or later you'll clash 5 vs5. you will fucking do, and having one teamate missing because HEY GUYZZZ, I CAN SPLITPUSHHH, LOOK AT ME, I GOT 50 EXP MOORREE! will just have your entir eteam killed, you will lose levels, you will lose an objective and you will lose an entire fucking game.
>>137777218
Vikings are awesome, but literally i can count on two fingers the good viking players i met. And one of the fingers is not involved in the count.
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>>137777136
>you will play games where you get all the objectives but lose the game, and vice versa
No, you won't. That isn't a thing. That doesn't happen. Like I said what you're saying is as illogical as saying "we lost the game but we won the game."
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>>137777136
The team with more players on a fight have the better odds of winning said fight.
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>>137777353
Your friend in an asshole, a monster and he deserves every fucking ban blizzard can shit upon him.
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>Solo queues against a triple+duo all 40's
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>>137777618
has blizz actually been straight up banning people at all
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>>137776768
We already have Kerrigan.
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>>137777831

considering senjinn still isn't banned, I sincerely doubt it
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the only top level player on this general would be senjinn, but i don't think he's ready to commit until they actually add something tangible to care about
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>>137777658
>I'm not lvl 40 yet
oooh man right in the nooblet
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>>137777831
No idea, but this guys would deserves it.
By afking you are not making a point, you are just trolling players and making them lose and waste 20 minutes or more of their life.
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>>137777976
hey senjinn, sorry nobody thinks your 2.2k MMR and barely-rank-1 ass is a gamegod but pretending you're someone else talking about how awesome you are isn't helping
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>>137777569
that depends on the heroes and the talents.
a 5v5 is not always equal because one side has 5 and the other side has 5. some heroes, some abilities, and some talents are better suited to winning a 5v5 than others.

some heroes and abilities are very specifically and very obviously designed to flourish outside of a 5v5 battle scenario.

if the game was decided purely by 5v5s there would be no reason for specialists to exist and no reason to ever pick them. the kit of a specialist is always inferior to the kit of an assassin in a teamfight. the specialist abilities are usually not hero-targetable, and revolve around defense or control of an area of space instead of interaction with another enemy hero. banelings, withering fire, nazeebos kit, slime, puffer. if your intent is only to 5v5. then to any of these abilities you would prefer the kit of an assassin.

im surprised that so many sensible players notice this fact and then dont immediately question if the game is meant to be decided in 5v5. it becomes even more obvious when you look at melee assassins.
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>>137777976
When season 1 starts I'll commit, but until they do a soft MMR reset and add in a better rank system there's no incentive.
t. not senjinn
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>>137776432
>why is dehaka a strictly worse muradin
Dehaka is better.

>why is anub so shitty in a teamfight and a bad tank'
>Playing Kinky as a Tank
WHY?
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>>137778269
>a 5v5 is not always equal because one side has 5 and the other side has 5. some heroes, some abilities, and some talents are better suited to winning a 5v5 than others.
I mean you literally sound like you've never played the game and have only fucking read about it.

Yeah in every 5v5 there's one team who is "supposed" to win because they have better damage or whatever, but then, y'know, people fucking play the game, miss skillshots, deny ultis, and generally decide the outcome via skill and not by some autistic calculation of which comp's true dps level is higher.
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>>137778363
I love anub, even if im not the best with him(I love tanks too much)
A good anub in teamfights is absolutely devastating. 2 stun skills, plus one incapacitating ult? you can literally give enough time to your team to kill the enemy team, get a fucking coffe, explore mars and then take the objective.
also

KINKY
all hail the meme bug
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>>137778363
>>Playing Kinky as a Tank

well he certainly isnt a dps.

he is a very good skirmisher disruptor who also applies lane pressure/defense. he is the perfect example of the map control strategy as represented by the design. he can roam around and gank lanes, provide enough burst and CC to support a dps and win a skirmish, leave a few beetles around, then go do the same thing in another lane. or he can work as solo lane pressure while another hero roams like nova, then team up with her for skirmishes.

he very specifically is a pile of dogshit in a 5v5, because his power for map control is so strong.
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>>137777831

>blatantly obviously throwing game after game for his team
>isn't banned

They obviously aren't banning people.
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>>137778363
>dehaka is better
objectively wrong
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>>137777993
I am, I was highlighting that it wasn't a triple+duo of sub-40's. But that the algorithm is actually that shit
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>>137778741
I don't even know where o start here
read this >>137778691
also, hes a fucking bruiser
Warrior doesn't mean tank, heroes have different roles even in their classes. I know you are trolling but please stop, for everyone's sake.
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i've afked two heroes to level 20 and haven't been banned yet, so i don't think they ban
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>initial dehaka teasers made him look like rek'sai with the tunnels
>turns out it's just a shitty reskinned ice block


Like, in the spotlight they even referred to Burrow + Swarm as "area denial". Does it even increase its damage when you burrow?

>>137779070

I legitimately think they're too scared to chase people away.
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>>137778843
>objectively
Why you fags love that word, what so special about it?
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>>137779070
I hope you are afking against IA.
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>>137779146
they might just not care about AI, on the other hand
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>>137778691
KINKY!
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>>137778269
>a 5v5 is not always equal

What this has to do with anything?

If you have 4 average guys plus, lets say, illidian or aba symbiote, your odds are still better than having only the 4 guys on said fight

5vs5 with shit tf heroe > 4vs5 without the shit hero


I already convinced that you are just trolling, but there is your reply, I have nothing better to do anyway.
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too many memes in my qm
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>>137778538
>not by some autistic calculation of which comp's true dps level is higher.

its not autistic and its not calculating. its just a very surface level appraisal of the abilities, mainly just the heroic abilities, and the obvious expression of their intents.

Avatar - 5v5
Haymaker - skirmish, not 5v5
Ring of Frost - 5v5
Water Ele - skirmish
1000 Cups - 5v5
Water Dragon - skirmish
Odin - 5v5 (splash damage)
Laser - skirmish (single target dps, weak to focus fire)
ranged assassin kit - 5v5 (multishot, flamestrike, arcane orb, hammerang)
melee assassin kit - skirmish (singularity spike, ravage, dive, feral spirit, butchers brand)

this pattern repeats itself hundreds of times in the game and even a noobie player who has modest experience in video games can observe these game elements and tell these obvious intents.
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>>137779240
occasionally i'll afk in qm, because it's funnier
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>>137779313

That's hilarious.
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>>137779392
>this pattern repeats itself hundreds of times in the game
you're delusional
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>>137776432
>Zeratul helpless roadkill in a 5v5

What the fuck am I reading
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>>137779376
One of them was Murky?
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>>137779659
a post by someone who never added a dash of salak to his soup
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>>137779453
You are a monster and deserves to be hurt.
>>137779392
getting an advantage by skills doesn't mean insta-win. Almost every fucking skill in HOTS is a skillshot, skill is a huge factor in team fights. Also, 99% of what you wrote is pure shit, and im giving you that 1% only out of pure kindness. If you are not trolling you are literally insane.
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>>137779832
i want to fuck murky
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>>137779797
Not really, is just QM
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I think we were visited by abathur1613 tonight /hotsg/!

ill give you a hint: he was the splitpush autist
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>>137780015

>it's just ai
>it's just qm
>it's just hl
>it's just hots
>it's just a game
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>>137779951
with those rippling murky pecs who wouldnt
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>>137780096
Memes
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>>137780015
When I play a game of Hots to relax from my 10 hours job, i don't want to enrage and waste my little free time with retards afking because LOL ITS JUST A GAME BRO
Fuck you, if you don't want to play you don't open hots.exe at all
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>>137779631
>you're delusional

i can keep going

black arrow - 5v5
possession - skirmish
phoenix - 5v5
pyro - skirmish
Keg - 5v5
storm earth fire - skirmish
maelstrom - 5v5
ultralisk - skirmish
march of the murlocs - 5v5
octograb - skirmish

healing static (muradin lvl 13 talent) - 5v5
thunder strike (same tier and ability) - skirmish
loud speakers (etc tier 7) - 5v5
follow through (same tier) - skirmish
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>>137780301
>i can keep going
yes you can. no one wants you to though
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>play two games as a scarcraft hero
>play support
>win 3 games
>morales free week
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>>137780492
>Everyone loves a Medic
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>>137780301
>march of the murlocs - 5v5
>octograb - skirmish
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>>137780301
someone
please, stop him

THINK OF THE CHILDREN

>>137780492
morales is the most abusable hero in QM because noobs have no idea how tyo counter her
against a decent team tho she suffers a lot more, a single stun with a burst damage can take her out in a blink.
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>>137780301
Do you even remember how this discussion started? You are missing the point entirely. Now fuck off.
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>>137780301

stop
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>>137662987
S L E E K
L
E
E
K
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When did Lightning Breath become the bad ult and Apocalypse the good ult? I remember it being the other way around.
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>>137780772
im giving you the entire theory of hots, which revolves around the questions of why do specialists exist, and why does the objective not always determine the winner.

the answer is that the game rewards intelligent splitting more than it rewards 5v5 competence. it does this by design because it results in more action and a faster pace, and it is an evolution over previous mobas. the central question hots design seeks to answer is 'how do we take the game from a small number of short, confusing, overly impactful 5v5s into a larger number of frequent, clear and precise and intense small scale battles.

the mechanism by which the game punishes people for choosing 5v5 over splitting is called map control, which is the strategy you use by pressuring lanes and controlling camps. this strategy causes the opponent to make difficult decisions about how to split up which rewards the team that communicates better and is more coordinated. and results in a more entertaining style of game. the central design element in the pursuit of map control play is the specialist.
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i love qm so fucking much holy shit

MORE MEME COMPS PLEASE
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>>137781297

They both seem to have their uses, and because Diablo is all about stuns, and chaining stuns, I'm not surprised Apoc has become more popular.
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>>137781675
>use meme king
>cry about memes
lmao
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>>137781184
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>>137781507
also ive been butchering my whole spiel here, because

the interesting and relevant question is not "does the objective cause you to win or not win"

the interesting and relevant question is "does getting the objective give you an advantage, or put you ahead in the game? does it make you snowball?"

and the answer is IT VARIES. because my point is the objective is the single most powerful thing you can pursue, but the design of hots maps is very specifically QUANTITY > QUALITY.
there is no one thing on any hots map that gives you a sure advantage. you need everything you can get at all times. quantity beats quality.
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>go morales for ez wins
>misclick stim on xul
>my team loses
>get told to uninstall because of that stim fail
>misclick and and join another game
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>>137782552
l-lewd ,_,
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>>137782836

>misclick on Xul

Provided he hasn't already burned his W, I don't think it would've been the worst Stim, friend
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>>137782552

g-gross
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>>137782918
>>137783061

Is cute.
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>Reworks will save them


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcflwUYYoXk
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>>137783203
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>>137783203
>Kael, Gazlowe, and Tychus reworks hyped for weeks
>they get worse
>Rehgar rework comes out of nowhere and he becomes the best character in the history of HOTS for a week
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>>137782836
I have a worse one to make you feel a little better
>play morales
>misclick a stim
>my team loses
>We got kicked out of heroes of the dorm for losing that

Basically I ruined it for a bunch of people
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>>137784537
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>>137781771
I had someone tell me "Take Apoc, Lightning Breath is garbage".

Like, I thought Apoc's problem was every can walk out in time. Though, I guess that's Breath's problem too.
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>>137784634

Isn't the combo something along the lines of Apoc > Charge > Flip them back into Apoc, which also puts them in an easy position for somebody else like Kael or Mura to follow it up with another stun?

>>137784537

Greentext it, friend? I'm truly curious as to what happened.
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>>137784634
it was in the last thread i think, some guys yelling BREATH IS USELLES!!11!
bullshit. Both have their uses but breath requires a good team coordination. If you can stun anyone or pull anyone in the breath its always fun, otherwise without support opponents will simple walk away.
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>>137784634
Apoc is good for combos, but you can also focus a single target with it, just R, then Q, then E them back to your apoc, that should, in theory, give you enough time to kill the target, with your team's help of course
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>>137784634
>zagara maws some poor bastards
>time your apoc
>they get 2-3 apocs under them that explode right as they come out and pops all their veins
i love lightning breath, i really do
it does a shitload of damage for a tank, especially on teams that try to beeline for someone on your team, but apoc will cause team wipes if used properly
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>>137784964
>>137785048
>>137785052
Makes sense.

Though, I am gonna start checking HOTSLOGS before every game, I just found out that I've been doing a lot of dumb talent choices just because I hadn't updated my build.

I am also surprised that Bubble Build is more popular than Pufferfish in Masters and Diamond QM games. I guess people can reliably focus the Pufferfish at high MMRs.
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>>137784964
Basically we were being pushed back to our core, but we had everyone and ready to take them 5v5, and since the immortals were about to spawn, winning that teamfight meant free immortal.

their team feinted going towards us and then retreated, but I panicked when I saw them approaching, I stimmed a Raynor and they just waited outside of range for it to end.

They went in with everything ready and fucked us anally with no lube
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>>137785394

Oh, that's unfortunate. Stim does have a bit of a cast time, which can be interrupted, so I think I can understand why you'd use it early. Sucks, though.

>>137785347

Yeah, most Heroes don't have much difficulty killing the puffer, and I think minions/spawns are able to hit it now, too, if there isn't anything else nearby.
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>>137782326
>and the answer is IT VARIES
No, the answer is it virtually always gives you an advantage. You're wrong and your splitpushing cancer is making the game fucking unplayable for any players who arent so cripplingly autistic and antisocial that they have to come up with an extremely, extremely, extremely, extremely, extremely, extremely overwrought reason as to why splitpushing is actually good just so they can avoid any confrontation.

Fucking die
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NEVER EVER
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>>137788169
soon
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>>137787106
>this is what /hotsg/ actually believes
probably one of those retarded assassins that facecheck the objective bush 10 seconds after it started
>OMFG TEAM WHERE ARE YOU?????
>meanwhile everyone else has agreed not to go yet because they need a tiny bit more XP to be on the same talent tier level
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>high HL
>everyone still pre-picks glass cannon faggotry and bickers over who has to be the warrior

this playerbase is 24 karat cancer
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>>137788302
No, i dont do that

That guy was legitamitley arguing for 3 hours that grouping is actually bad and splitpushing during objective is the way blizz actually intends the game to be played

Let that sink in
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>>137788510
>low level HL
>everyone prepicks sylvanus, sgt. memetank, butcher, azmodunk
>they dont bicker over who will play warrior, they just dont draft one
poor you
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>>137788169

>maybe we'll get a Naxxramas event
>new map
>Kel'thuzad
>Grand Window Faerlina, or Maexxna even
>pic related

>>137788510

>still no tank/support queue option
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>>137788990
>still no tank/support queue option
But then you wouldnt be able to run doubletank or doublesupport

Unfortunatley i dont think that that's the answer to the HOTS's playerbase's fucktarded drafting
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>>137788940

>low level HL
>everyone sucks
>play what i want because no one else is trying either
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>>137789347

Ugh, you're probably right.

>both tanks and supports are practically mandatory for an even slightly functional game
>last pick hovering muradin says he's willing to tank
>other team picks zagara or something
>get locks in zeratul
>"zera counters zag"

I can't even bring myself to queue to get out of the depths of Bronze, this is unbearable. I can't even get fed. My eight early game kills mean jack shit as the game progresses, even if we get an objective off of it.
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>>137788169
Xul is already in
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>>137788990
>>pic related
I'd play the shit out of a Feugen and Stalagg hero that turns into Thaddius as an ult
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>>137788169
We will await our eternal reward.

After Tracer we've got a clean slate, all the heroes from the Arena picture will be in game.
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>>137789731
>bronze hell
>know that if you draft a support you're leaving the game in the hands of shitter who's probably going to draft raynor and do 35k en route to a loss
>know that you can play an assassin and hit 70-80k but if you draft an assassin no one will draft a support
idk where this fucking entitlement in HOTS comes in where everyone thinks they can just draft whatever hero they damn well please and everyone else just has to deal with it and draft around them
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>announce exciting new arena mode at blizzcon
>it MAY be ready and playable by the following blizzcon

>get as many players as will play communism: the moba
>slowly feed them heroes
>$30 for hero, it's shop skin and a stupid mount


ugh I love the characters, and playing with friends, but this game feels like a fucking travesty of a solo queue experience
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>>137790579
>>137789731
Also while were on the topic of bronzie drafts
>mfw everyone comfortbanning morales because they're too fucking trash to know how to deal with her
thanks for handing me illidan scrublords hope you like getting blades of azzinoth rammed up your asses so fucking hard because i fucking hate everyone at this rank so fucking much
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>>137790579

Yeah, recently all I've done is fill. I just get into the draft and say that I'm open to anything. Zagara, Johanna, Morales, whatever.

Usually a few of the people in draft will communicate/hover what they intend/prefer to play, but there is almost always one silent person who just does their own thing the ENTIRE FUCKING GAME.

I'm more than willing/able to admit I'm not particularly good at the game, but I'm losing my mind trying to trudge my way through these epic 4v5s with a muted Sylvanas master skin that's LEVEL 20 ON SYLVANAS LIKE HOW
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>>137790579
Literally every HL game I went was "pick you best hero ! ^-^ xaxax gl hf". Literally njo one had the slightest idea of what counterpicking or team compo meant.
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>>137790969

And this, yeah. Had somebody lock in a Li-Li, whatever

two people refused to play because "YOU DIDNT PICK REHGAR"

Even said he didn't have rehgar
>>
>buy li ming for 10k
>check the shop
>lee min in a bundle
>>
>qm
>everyone is horrid
>give up around level 10
think im done with mobas
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>>137790631
IDK why the fuck arena mode is taking so fucking long to create, like how fucking hard is it to slap together a simple map and a random-select screen?

Like what the fuck do they need over a year for? Everything that would go into arena mode is already in the fucking game.

And im kind of mad that they put lost cavern in just to satisfy the "muh aram" crowd and put in what's literally LoL's aram copy and pasted.

Like arena was supposed to be HOTS's unique aram system, way to just make a shitty league version
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>we have no ranged stun
>enemy team picks ETC
>i pick tyrande even though we already had rehgar
>GG FUCKING NOOB RUINED GAME
>proceeds to throw because "NO CHANCE WITH THIS NOOB"
jesus christ what is wrong with this game's playerbase
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>>137791195
yeah, I know that feel
they also refuse to play when you point good team compo other than SUPP WARRIOR 2 ASSA ONE SPEC, even when there are better comps given the map and the enemy's comp.
Also, every fucking time its "NO LILI
NO ABA
they only want morales when enemy team has illidan, gg you fucking retards
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>>137790948
>>137790948
>Yeah, recently all I've done is fill.
I mean the thing is is that I think assassins are the most important part of the team, and I don't really trust any of my teammates to do it properly. I absolutley fill whenever I'm a late pick, but if I'm first or second pick and our last pick asshole hovers an assassin like I'm obligated to pick a support just because he's hovering I'll get pissed off. And them they'll be all "I'm just showing pref" like yeah thanks, your pref is an assassin. Wow what a shocker. So is everyone else's.
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>>137788169
his model screams MOBA, but arthas/jaina/xul have kind of claimed his kit

Unless they do something weird like make him a support, I'm not sure what he'd do now
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>>137791302

Yeah, Blizzard spaces the shit out of their releases, like just barely enough to keep people hooked, probably won't get arena for a while, then after a few months we'll finally get a semi-functional season 1 where literally 20% of players will be diamond, or whatever rank gives authority, and nothing will have changed

except wow

>lmao six months until expansion dw we know you losers will wait :)


>>137792007

Yeah, I'll usually go Assassin if I can, because nothing else matters if nothing is fucking dying, but I'll always just fill if it doesn't look like we'll get either a tank or support

>dustin said there would be rewards for preseason
>wonder if it's for rank 1 or just playing at all
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>>137791389
>team drafts diablo
>i draft sonya later
>WTF WHY 2 TANKS
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>mfw i'm first pick and main supports
when the fuck do we get pick trading?
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>Try out Abathur
>Decide to buy because he seems interesting and relaxing
>Sweat bullets as I jump back and forth like a maniac trying to keep retarded team alive
>Clone Illidan and get more kills than him

Holy fuck we won the match, but that was the opposite of relaxing. Still really fun to play though.
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>>137792346
>i main supports
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i have a suspicion that this playerbase is mostly bored wow players and not transplants from other mobas, which would explain the baffling lack of fundamentals that you see at all levels of play

i've never played league or dota or anything else, but does one regularly see players who clearly don't know what they ought to be doing? (jungling at horrible times, pushing by themselves and getting flanked, starting unwinnable fights, etc.)

this game is getting very frustrating because there seems to be no level of play where you can get away from these fucking people
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>people complaining about qm
>check the time
>america
lol
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>don't pick uther he's the worst support
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>tfw i "main" assassins because their "kit" is "excellent"
stop posting like this you fucking downie clowns
>>
>>137793124
>rank 31
im sorry what
>>
>>137792958
Yeah agreed

I cant even really comment as to whether or not I think HOTS is a good game, because the game is so fucking unplayable at the level im at because of the absolutley fucktarded playerbase that I dont feel like ive ever actually played the game
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>>137793124
>gucci meme
>rank 31
>uther picks
>44 "friends"
>america
>>
>>137793124

>31

I'm dyin'.

>>137792958

Well, there's nothing to do in WoW, so I don't doubt there are a few of us on here.
>>
>>137793201
"i'll win us the game with my excellent 1v1 pick-off skills"

I've yet to see this actually pan out but people keep believing it
>>
>>137793201
>we use widely accepted words to discuss things
i'm very sorry, allow me to reformulate
>tfw I'm first pick but I'm best at supporting my allies
is your autism satisfied?
>>
>>137793407
thank you friend, now you sound like a real human bean
>>
>>137793283

>I cant even really comment as to whether or not I think HOTS is a good game

Lmao, same

I can't in good conscience actually suggest that anybody come and try it out, especially when games like League exist
>>
>spring champions bundle
>shitty skins
>shitty heroes
>big price tag
worst bundle ever
>>
>>137794002

>still can't gift
>no mystery gifts

ugh
>>
>>137793243
started today at 35 and carried anybody qt to 8 today
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>>137792509
I remember when I had to flash learn both kerrrigan and janna one abathur match

shit was intense
>>
>fire up queue
>on my laptop, fire up a QM queue on a throw away account
>playing abathur, basically doing the same shit people do in training to avoid getting booted
>hat people and flame / respond to flames while I'm dead or going B on my main account
>I have been doing this for 3 months and haven't been banned, just silenced
This confirms what I've been suspecting for a while now, Blizzard doesn't give a shit about any kind of reports (Abusive Chat is handled automatically anyway), unless it's blatant AFKing / running into towers.

Fuck this company, honestly.
>>
>>137704118
pretty sure it just wastes your cooldown because it has unstoppable. maybe it was polymorph i'm remembering
blizzard should really make a chart for all this bullshit though.

>>137705008
pretty average. fun with the right comp but his heroics can feel pretty useless.

>>137710997
block is nice but double ravage at 1/4 is so mana/hp efficient

maelstrom without eviscerate is pretty shit without someone to stack bodies for you. if the best you can do is a 1 man mael just go muta

BM+DS is a nice combo

aggressive defense is actually nice for pushing or camps especially in no healer QM. essence is slightly better for typical teamfighting.

>>137727675
been a scam going on for months

>>137773540
that's why they just gave up and called it a hero brawler. now everyone can just dive, complain they got "bad comps" and their matchmaking team is "on it!" (not really lol)

>>137792346
maybe they'll convince themselves the game quality would gain more than lose from any conflicts
>>
>>137776768
Never or with some heavy redesigning involved.
They'd somehow need to work around making her not look so much like Kerrigan.
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>>137801786
bruh do you need so many spaces in your replies?
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>>137776768
I swear, something has to be done with her haircut. Andariel looks like one of those troll dolls with that hair.
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>>137802004

they seem appropriate to break up separate statements. hope you like this post with an absolutely worthless leading break so many love here.

wew.
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>>137802739
>wew
>not
w e w

e w

w e w

lad pls
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>>137802739
have you considered...
i know this is crazy, just hear me out!
...using punctuation marks?
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>Kerrigan
>Zagara
>Abathur
>Dehaka
>[...]
Game only needs Stukov or Izha and we can have a full Zerg team.
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>>137803731
I want a cerebrate or the overmind but that will probably never happen.
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Will the British lass of problematic postures be the only Overwatch hero for now or will the next few new heroes all be from Overwatch as well.
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>>137804538
Extremely unlikely that there are any overwatch heroes directly after tracer. No official statement has been made on the matter, though.
>>
>>137803731
>what is infested tychus
>>
>>137805102
>playing Tychus
>paying $10 for a Tychus skin
Absolute madman
>>
>>137796148
Did you lose all your placement games? I lost half mine and got place at 7
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>>137802671
>instant 90s nostalgia
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>>137806268
i lost at most 12 and placed 48 no one knows my suffering
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>only lost 1 placement match
>got rank 1 same day
>never touched hl again
truly I am free
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>>137804728
I kinda want Winston in HotS desu senpai.
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>rank 3 HL
>our zeratul repeatedly opens on them by himself when they're roaming as five, dying always and doing nothing

how is a person like that high rank. what the fuck is this playerbase. what the fuck is this matchmaking. where are the good players

is it a pipedream to think you have a hope of outranking retards?
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>One of the main races of Warcraft
>known as fierce, bloodthirsty warriors with huge axes
>have several great warrior heroes like Grom, Garrosh, Samuro, Kargath, Blackhand or Orgrim
>so far there's only two Orcs in Hots and both are shamans
A real Orc in HotS when?
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>>137807867
when the movie comes out
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>People bitch about Tracers pose wanting it removed
>Blizzard complies, creating huge shitstorm and draws attention to the game
>Replaces it with even lewder pose

Cheeky
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>>137808750
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>>137808589
>inb4 it's Durotan
>he isn't even green
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>>137808750
The ass is only semi visible. Now it won't trigger the rape victims who happen to have an ass.
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>>137808750
no shit, it's like, she has a butt as a part of her body
>>
>tfw you found a hero with a kit so excellent you can main it
;^)
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>>137809541
TLV main, nice man
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>try to play a quickmeme
>blizz servers are fucked up, full lag

WELLLL LAAADD
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>>137809610
>want to get Memekings to lvl 10 but still need three million xp
>victories give barely over one hundred thousand
>Li Mings, Illidans and Greymanes keep bullying me
>tfw will never that Master Skin
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>>137808878
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>>137809331
Blizzard should really just remove her butt.
>>
>>137809979
HotS doesn't generate enough money to have decent servers anon
>>
So - for a magestad - long range hammer or CD reduction?
Better slow or W shield?

Also - what fo you think about new Illi talents?
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>1 player can throw the game
>1 player can't carry the game
Nice game
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>>137811809
>mage falstad
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>>137811809
I go long range hammer and better slow because I tend to not be retarded and get myself easily killed so I don't ever take healing or shield talents on Falstad.

Also if you don't pick gust, get the fuck out
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>>137812832
Well, gust is better 90% of the time. However, i may consider taking HB when i have a good ETC with mosh pit. And maaaaybe against liming/hammer. A stationary (most limings do not like to stop disintegrate channel) squishy target.

>>137812693
Dat supreme poke. And when i shoud be more agressive, i can always go Secret Weapon build.
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>>137813658
Well, i like to poke too, but i just pick Kael when i wanna do that
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>>137813852
Bbbut muh mobility...

BTW, what`s with new Kael? I`ve heard it`s winrate dropped hard, but didn`t get to play him yet.
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>>137808878
Should they just from poses all together?
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>>137813658
Personally I've tried HB with good comps with stuns galore, and it barely makes any difference in how quickly I kill squishies like Mee Ling. Stacked Q and W are really all the damage you need as Falstad, in my experience.
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>>137814068
He's WAY harder to play now, you actually have to land your combos and position yourself well.

Also, he's not that good in a 1x1 scenario, you just stay back in team fights throwing fire at people and hope your team finish them.

http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator/kaelthas#o3Qz
Best build for me, infinity mana + shield is must have
Pyroblast is shit, gravity crush is better against squishes, back draft can make you slow the entire enemy team and fury of the sunwell literally doubles your damage.

I would say only the 20 talent is the variable one, but only because i still don't know exactly how master of flames work.
>>
>only gotten play 2 games daily for the past 7 days
send help
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>>137814068
kael is basically a specialist with a few added gimmicks now
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>>137790330

Which leaves us with the datamined, Blizzard DOTA carryovers, and other random heroes mentioned over the months.
>>
>>137814068
He is an dps assassin without escape now.
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>>137815380
Except that won't happen. the datamine goes back to 2012 but that doesn't mean we'll get them next. they keep adding heroes like Leming, Xul, Greymane and Lunara wich where mentioned absolutely nowhere.

Back at Blizzcon they said they where working on 15 different heroes all in various stages of developtment, we've only seen 7 of those.
>>
>>137807480
There are a lot of OW heroes I'd be mostly fine with. i think blizz is focusing a lot of time and resources into OW's development and thusly i think most of the charachter designs are slick as hell.

Zarya would be cool because we could get another ranged warrior option, winston is an obvious "face of the franchise" choice, genji would make a cool melee assassin, widowmaker and reaper are cool as hell but I'd just be concerned that either of those charachters would just be tracer 2.0 IE AAers w/o ability damage because their character designs dont lend to having ability driven kits. Maybe like mei or bastion for an overwage mage hero?

But yeah the point im trying to make is even though OW itself looks kind of lame they can add as many OW characters to HOTS as they want, the charcters are fresh and cool when removed from the garbage game they're in
>>
>>137814360
Has anyone gathered all these images anywhere? Havent seen any new in a while
>>
>tfw your teammates don't say anything about the enemy hammer completely shitting on them in lane
>lose whole front wall before first objective even comes up
>>
>>137817640
>zarya

Sonya is enough. Calm yourself
>>
>>137818694
>he doesn't want double Snu Snu
>>
Who is the weakest hero in the game?
Who is the most balanced hero in the game?
>>
>>137816679
Li Ming isn't really surprising though, even if they didn't mention her previously. She was the last D3 hero still missing from the game so she wasn't really a surprise like Lunara, Greymane or Xul.
>>
Is this game dead? Haven't played since the monk came out
>>
What's a good Sgt Hammer build/what should I specialize on doing with hammer? Currently I get
Adv. Artillery
Maelstrom Shells
Hyper cooling thrusters
Napalm
Barricade
Hover Mode
Nexus Frenzy
Is this acceptable or am I eternally doomed to being a pub-match shitter?
>>
I'm rank 1 getting matched with rank 30s on my team.

blizzard pls
>>
Thrall is fucking broken

enjoy the free elo while it lasts
>>
>>137792603
I wholeheartedly agree.
I main support and I want to fuck that girl in your pic
>>
>those teammates who feed and get picked really obviously
>like push into the enemy fort solo and 4 guys on the map suddenly go missing and they stay there for 15 seconds until a stitches hook flies out of fog
>they blame you for not being there to 2v4
>2 level disadvantage gets worse from there
>IT WAS YOUR FAULT, ANON

wake me up
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SC1 Infested Kerrigan skin when?
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>>137790969
>>137791195
Admittedly, I don't have Li Ming, but I still want to play HL.

I dunno. I think if I had to choose between trash bronzies picking freely or try hard bronzies asking me to play the meta heroes, I'd prefer the former.

I am not saying I'd pick Gazlowe or anything when we need a tank. And I would be up from grabbing a Lili vs. an Illidan or something, as a counter pick. But there are limits to this.
>>
>fps goes to single digits during team fight
>wonder what the fuck is going on
>battlenet helper times two doing something
THANKS BLIZZARD
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>>137804538

If this leak is to be believed, then yes.

Then again, it also says we'll get Superman.
>>
>>137776768
>play Kerrigan
>take envenom
>squint my eyes real hard
>pretend I'm playing Andariel
>>
I had a five game winstreak the last two days I've played. It was all very nice. But my MMR didn't budge. It went up like, 40. It wasn't even as though the teams I had were high MMR.

I don't get it. I know today I'll play, lose six times and my MMR will plummet. Specially if I don't get the warrior quest again.
>>
>Catch enemy team w/ rehgar way out of position
>I Hammer
>ETC mosh pits rehgar+diablo
>they fucked
>Zagara does maw
>Both escape

:^))))
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>>137823213
I'm not really buying it. Apart from Superman there's just some other heroes on the list which just don't seem likely. The idea that Blizzard would add Fang and Torch seems rather weird. They don't really have the same status as the Vikings. Even people who played the original TLV might not know there even was a TLV 2.
Same is the case with Sarlac. They didn't add Tomator along with the Vikings so I don't see why they'd add the bad guy from Black Thorne.
D1 rogue also seems unlikelyat this point. Moreina/Blood Raven could've worked some time ago but by now almost every game-play niche she could cover is taken by somebody else.
>>
>nerf Chen
???
>>
>>137823898
There's not much of a reason for say, Mercy either, I could go through the rest but Mercy is way too similar to Morales.
>>
Butcher tutorial:

>press E
>type "team?????"

Can this week be over already
>>
>>137823898
I'm still pissed that one of their ults isn't getting Fang and Torch so you can control 5 guys.
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>Ress ult
>Healbeam can switch between healing and buff
>E can be that ally dash
Her playstyle could greatly differ from morales to a more mobile less tanky style. No damage mitigation or displacement but mobility and utility instead.

She's not like Roadhog/Stitches who would be literally a carbon copy.
>>
>>137825089
Fugg, ment to link >>137824245
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>>137824550
>Fang and Torch so you can control 5 guys
>Fang is a mini version of Greymane
>Scorch is like a mini version of the dragon knight and his basic attack is a cone shaped AoE
Yes plz
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>>137825089
I refuse

t. bald Blizzard developer
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>At core
>Teammates stop attacking core start b stepping by enemy fountain
>They respawn kill us push our core
>Their core was at 1%

>At core
>Pushing with two creep waves and boss
>two teammates back to try stopping Illidan at our core
>They cant catch him
>Kills our core while theres was at 3%

>Last pick hovers support
>Picks Butcher instead
>Feeds all game while spamming :^)
>>
>>137824245
>There's not much of a reason for say, Mercy
She has a very unique and striking design which is always good for a character. Also as another anon mentioned there's enough room for her to get a unique skillset as well.
>>
>>137825510
Wasn't that in the previous WTF hots moments?
Illidan was doing that and caused them the game
>>
So there's no way to get tracer early without preordering that shitty game?
>>
>>137826658
Blizzards gotta get them shekels
>>
New Thread

>>137659142
>>137659142
>>137659142
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>>137827004
Good job!
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>>137827004
whoops

>>137826930
>>137826930
>>137826930
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>>137825089
>>137825168
My guess is that Mercy is lower on the priority list than not.

Heroes that are easy to convert into HOTS:
Zenyatta
Hanzo
Genji
Bastion
Reinhardt
McCree
Lúcio
Junkrat
D.Va

Heroes that may have some difficulties:
Mercy
Pharah
Symmetra
Torbjörn
Reaper
Mei
Zarya (her ult is also basically Gazlowe's grav o bomb)
Soldier: 76

Heroes that are extremely similar to current heroes mechanically:
Roadhog
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