/domg/ - Dominions General

First for "I'm sorry Agartha, the 'Fuck you' wasn't by me; I got distracted by journalism. Talk in /v/anheim, please?

1st for Atlantean master race.

Anyone have sum1won's spreadsheet about growth scale earnings handy?

>>137610586
I'm there

>>137610696
A copy has been conveniently attached to the results document in the OP, though I've futzed with it a bit.

So Agartha.
Did you remove the nostart tag from all caves or just one of them?

I mean more of them makes your starting position less predictable, but on the other hand I sure hope I don't start in one of them.

>>137612217
Starting in a cave doesn't matter much, other than the darkvision thing if you happen to wind up defending your capital (in which case there are bigger issues) As long as they have a sufficient amount of adjacencies, they're perfectly fine.

SUB FOR JOTUNHEIM NEEDED
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=NewYearNails
IF YOU WANT TO PLAY A LATEGAME BLOOD NATION WITH ALL THE GOODIES AND IN A STRONG POSITION, NOW IT'S YOUR CHANCE

>>137612857
Supposedly they get a 10% income bonus.

>>137612927
But don't caves have shitty income to begin with, which means that bonus might just be cancelling it out?

>>137613280
Capital base income is independent of terrain.

>>137613280
Income is based on population, which is based on terrain - except for capitals, which is always close to 30k pop.

>>137612927
For agartha it also lets them cast a slew of cave only spells which they are intended to be able to cast from their cap. AY Agartha can testify to how useful that was.

>>137612217

The only province that I removed nostart from was 100, as the location seemed decently far from other caves, had decent connections that I feel are balanced (Some other spots linked to 2 or 3 farm provinces which I think would generate perhaps a bit too much income to be balanced) and I wanted 5 spots so it was at least a little unpredictable. All the other ones I specifically selected provinces for that did not have the nostart tag. Those are provinces that anyone could have started at regardless.

I also believe that most nations do not start in caves unless specifically set to do so, like Agartha and perhaps Xibalba.

>>137613446
>>137613542
The more you know. I'm gonna get rammed in this game aren't I?

>>137614993

One thing I am not sure of, is if cave+mountain tags give a significant resource bonus. I left the mountain tags on as they also have the penalty of hindering movement, and the map seems to have some design for that as it also employs border mountains (which don't hinder) in strategic places.

>>137614993
If it's alright with everybody I'll use it and start the game.

>>137615161
Oh wow I guess that means you can recruit more dudes with shortswords that can't damage anything with half-decent armour.

It's not like Agartha lacks resources with your national mages giving resource bonus.

>>137614249
Its really just the cave grubs for early expansion, which only EA Agartha truly needs (because your only other option for EA Agartha as a frontline is Pale Ones . . . ). The +10% income is for all Agartha though, and it certainly helps.

For EA Agartha a vibrant cave network is what helps the most. Making Olms effectively rec anywhere is really dumb.

>>137616197

True, with critical mass of Reanimators I never have to worry about resources anyway.

Thanks for using the map, I'm glad I get some money and in the event things go south, I can at least take advantage of my poor-eyesight darkvision dudes to defend.

I'll post the link for it here again, for convenience:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/avnssyfo5vp6se1/Orania_Caves.map?dl=0

>>137616690
If you didn't change anything since the last link you posted, I already have it downloaded.

I'll start the game after dinner.

>>137616316
>Its really just the cave grubs for early expansion, which only EA Agartha truly needs (because your only other option for EA Agartha as a frontline is Pale Ones . . . ).
I expanded just fine with pale ones and a couple of mindblasters thrown in. If you rush earth meld (which you should) then you can add earth earth readers to your armies very quickly as well.

Ended up being one of the bigger nations last game.

>>137617136
This depends a lot on the level of indies you encounter. In All Yesterdays I needed Mind Blaster support on an awake Dom 9 Erf Snek just to break out of my cap ring (my province choices were 60 Cavemen, around 100 Heavy Cav, Heavy Infantry, and Knights, 50 Abysian Infantry with several fire mage support, and 50ish light+heavy infantry with multiple cloud mages and wind masters)

>>137612882
Well I do love me some Blood. How do into subbing on Llama? (Have only done friend-hosted server games before but I don't mind PBEM.)

>>137617909
You tell me your email address and I change it to that.

>>137618147
[email protected]

Spam away, friends and bots.

>>137618483
Changed it. Let me know when/if you get the turn.

>>137619057
Yup, it's working.

>>137619743
>>137619057
Slight hitch: where to get worthy heroes? I haven't used mods at all.

>>137619743
Okay, do you want more time to do the turn and figure out what you're doing?

Can someone give me some insight into the mind of a chain-staler? If you're so done with a game that you just don't give a fuck then why not just go AI? The only reason to keep staling I can think of is if you get stabbed or because you actually want the turns to take the full 24 hours.

>>137620296
Real life shit or they just stop giving a fuck because they're shitters.

>>137620014
If it's not going to disappoint everyone else, that'd probably be for the best.

>>137620763
I think everyone who's still in this game is pretty used to it by now, unfortunately.

>>137620296
First the game goes south. You get demoralized, you don't want to think about it. So you stall one turn because you forget or because you just can't get yourself to do it. The next turn is harder still. A couple of turns pass, and by then, you're too embarrassed and ashamed of yourself to go back and look at it and think about it even for long enough to set yourself to AI. You just push it away and try to forget any of it ever happened.

Totally not speaking from experience there. But that was like a year ago and I've gotten better about it since then.

Game is started.
48 hour limit for the first turn so that word can get around that it started. Afterwards 24 hours until scripting kicks in.

Remember, game was supposed to be a slow one, so I don't mind increasing the turn timer. early if needed.

I'll be busy until for the next 24 hours, so I might already need a 1-3 hour extension if the turn moves along quickly.

>>137620010
Go the game's admin page on Llamaserver. There should be a link on it to download it. Click on the link that says Worthy Heroes 1.23.
http://www.llamaserver.net/admin.cgi?game=NewYearNails

Why do Province number 66 and Province 6 connect? Is this meant to be some sort of 666 joke?
Cause they don't look adjacent at all.

Okay, so I still need the Orania.tga I think. I can see the original map in my game but the default maps don't seem to be in AppData/Roaming/Dominions4/maps.

>>137624279
Do you? I put it in the map folder and it works just fine when I make a game for it.

Link has been posted earlier this thread.

>>137623226
Thanks, good to go now.

>>137623618
Same goes for 39 and 60.

>>137624959
Huh. I guess I should've just tried it, I just didn't expect it to work like that.

>>137623618
>>137625191

I have no idea how this happened. I have not even touched those provinces, but it must be something I did.

I'm really sorry everyone, shows how much I know about editing a fucking map.

Just to avoid any issues, maybe just use the original Orania. I'll make do without caves.

Unstarted, fixed the map, restarted.
Lef me know if you encounter any more oddities.

So does this version of the map still have the special sites and if so how do I look them up in the file.

>>137627428

Thanks admin. Sorry for my fuckup. I am at a loss how it happened. The only steps I made were to load Orania in the map editor, select only those 5 provinces that I looked at in a singleplayer game and check the "caves" box, and unchecked "nostart" on province 100. Then I saved it as Orania_Caves, edited the file in notepad and simply changed the name and description so it wouldn't be called "Orania" in the map list.

Maybe it redrew borders for some reason or I messed up in notepad.

>>137628027
I believe the admin is using the original, default, Orania map now without any edits since I fucked that version up with weird province connections somehow. But yes both versions still have the special sites. I don't know how to look them up, though the majority of sites are in provinces named after them (Skull Temple is on the 209 island province called Skull Temple, etc.) That's one way of finding them.

Favor for newJotun in NewYearNails, please: who all have I been warring with other than Nazca and Ulm? Anyone want to raise their hands for having had some alliance treaty or whatever that they really want me to know about?

Would be nice to not suddenly be acting like a schizo.

>inb4 everyone claims a border treaty or me paying them as a vassal

>>137628603
We were friends, but I've been staling, I owe you one territory though.

Hey.

Was armamemethisgamestitleistoolonggeddon Marverni still looking for a sub?

>>137629669
>>137607257

>>137628603
I don't know, your previous yourself was powerful, ad was invading Ulm.
That's what caused me to attack him. Are you still powerful and invading Ulm?

>>137628321
It's alright man. Sorry that you have to do without caves. Although LA Agartha is thankfully plenty capable even without those.

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>starting location has 2 land connections (right now) one of which is a throne
Place your bets gentleman, how many heavy cav does the other one have?

>>137631404
*gentlemen

>>137631404
100 and a D2 mage with skellyspam.

>>137631815
*gentlememen

>>137631404
Zero. It's a Pretender chassis province.

>>137631404
I'm betting its a Golem province. And the throne will have Zeus.

>>137631404
Ouch. I spawned in a similar spot (perhaps the same) in one of the tests I ran on the map. I'm sorry admin. On the other hand, you're pretty safe from anyone rushing you.


Whoever gets Moon Lake at 38 will have fun. Pretty sure that place has a fixed site and there's a throne on it too.

>>137633509
The Moon Lake is nothing in comparison to province 173. 40% Enchantment Bonus would be frankly insane on a bunch of different nations, and even if it isn't someone like C'tis, near half price Liches and gargoyles are pretty nuts.

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>>137634940
>I found a 30% blood site in one of my current games
>mfw I'm not a blood nation

Got a decent start location. Haven't played on Orania in a long time so I don't remember where all the special sites are.

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nobully names

>>137635302
It's shit.

>>137635198
The only thing separating a blood nation and a non-blood nation is effort, just ask AY Agartha.

>>137635386
Turn 29 and I'm empowering my first B1 as a non blood nation. How'd I do, /domg/?

>>137630183
Alright, well, I'd love to try replacing. Could the armemegeddon admin talk to me in chat, or do I need to make a throwaway address?

>>137635375
Hey. You aren't supposed to bully.

>>137635302

I like reading It's Delicious and Friendly South American Fish together.

Yummy fish

Also admin, I think I know what province you're in based on description. You look like you have some nice unique sites up north if you can get to them.

Ulm, you don't need to live up to the meme. Seriously. You don't have to stale three turns in a row.

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>>137635302
Have fun everyone! btw Qifu is bad chinese for bully and I'm going bully the shit out of any stalers.

>>137636836

Sub him out man, hes a in decent position.

>>137635386
>The only thing separating a blood nation and a non-blood nation is Garnet Amazons
Ftfy

"Hello from the LlamaServer.

I received an e-mail from you, but unfortunately there seems to be a problem with it.

Your 2h file appears to be for a game the LlamaServer doesn't know about - perhaps you sent the wrong one?"

something I miss? I"m sending turn file like I do for the other games I'm in

>>137639067
Mine went through just fine, check the name on the email or the folder you pulled the 2h file from maybe?

>>137639067
Make sure you used the latest turn.

>>137639308
It's the first turn, he can hardly use anything else.

>>137639468
It restarted once due to map problems.

>>137639067

Yeah, I had three emails for the start turn: one when it accidentally autostarted when no one was ready, one with a map that had some issues, and then the third was the correct one. Make sure you're using the correct file

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>>137639594
this was indeed the case. Turn 1 in properly

>>137634940
Yeah that is true. I expect plenty of battles to be fought over that Oak, kinda wish I started close to it but it would also paint a target.

>>137641389
You're the second worst person to have it, but I wouldn't panic overmuch if you got it.
The only nation that needs to be bullied hard if they own it is C'tis. 40% on their nationals is bonkers.

>>137635798
Actually nvm it's better I don't. I'm sorry.

Surprisingly fast turns for this many people, considering 12 out of 17 took it already. I know it's the first turn but still.

>>137641628

Yeah I'd rather not drown in Tomb Kings.

>>137643392
What?

>when a SJW trolls a game and kills dead any chance of a blitz

>>137643524
?

>>137643756
/v/anheim chat drama.

>>137643756
In Vanheim a player called Noodles left a 10 person game because someone said nigger.

>>137644381
Wow.
It was obvious that someone who writes an essay every turn can't be sane but that's some high-level faggotry.

>>137644381

Isn't Noodles a known troll?

>>137644939
Nope, he was making a cool map and the steam community said he cheated because he used a magic phase movement atatck to trigger gem use.

>>137645091
Is that from the chat, or do you have a link?

Also nigger.

>>137645091
>he

Why do you guys give a shit anyway? I didn't try to change y'all, but I didn't like the crowd so I left. It was that or act pissy, which wouldn't have helped any of us.

It was turn 2 and it wasn't like I was the first person to shit over that game, so I really don't see the big deal.

>>137645164
The map or the steam comment?
>>137645167
No, we're not starting this, indiscriminant gender is he in latin and french and damn well is in english.

I'm still looking for a sub for Marverni in Armemegeddon. I've got a good position but I won't be able to play after next turn or so. Please let me know if you can help.

>>137645698
The drama.

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What's your favorite nation, /domg/?

I like playing niggers.

>>137643524
le sjw boogeyman

>>137646357
Agartha or Jews.
>>137646609
pls don't respond to them.

>>137646357
Probably Sauromatia because it has units I like and magic paths I like.

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>>137646357

>>137646357

Ur

>>137635375
>>137635302
Frog and Toad was good

Any games starting up or need filling?

>>137641389
Does the oak appear in the province oak of ages? and what paths are it

>>137646357
Jotunheim. Infinite communioned skelespam is pretty sweet.

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I guess it was an easy game for me to win it, though my Throne-capping deepstrike force was pretty impressive. I used all my gems through alchemy to get enough A and N gems to capture and hold that last throne down.

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>>137651198
Queen of Storms was my prophet.

>>137629669
>>137635798
>>137645757

>>137650112
>>137651474

>>137650030

yeah except I'm pretty sure it's just a monolith from looking at the titles

>>137651179

Yeah the sites appear in the provinces named after them. Oak of ages is I think level 3 and nature obviously.

>>137651186
After playing against and with jotunheim for a bit, I think they're a pretty damn solid nation. Their only real weaknesses is that your main battle mage is cap only and their troops aren't amazing. But you can just replace that with skelespam and you super regenerating communion slaves that can support pretty big communions without issue. Also, fairly good access to most of the stronger magic paths in the game.

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>>137651453

>>137652138

Is that just PD?

>>137652069
>your main battle mage is cap only
Indeed, but you can get pretty good mileage out of them once you stick them into communions.

Also, in some roles you can substitute an N or D random Skratti to a Gygja.

I guess it would become a huge problem if you lose a big battle, as you can't replenish mage losses very quickly.

>>137652601
Yes. I didn't spend gold on anything else last turn. A gambit that paid off.

>>137646357
Hard to say.
Anything with strong blood is mucho good-o, especially bad monkeys and batmans. All of the Van nations are fun, so are the goatfuckers. And both Ermors.

Worst: MA Ulm, erryday.

>>137650112
You down for no-mod MA? There's a server game that's at 4/8 players with Pan, Ulm, Marignon, and Ashdod taken.

>>137654321
What kind of schedule is that game on and how does that server work? Like a blitz?

>>137652138
Can I assume that a gajillion air elements spewed forth from your maw?

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>>137645623
nothing personal against you. I just question the decision to join /v/anheim chat room and not expect typical 4chan behavior. GL in your future games

>>137655635
Tangential to this whole.. thing in particular, but thus far I've been moderately impressed with how people have mostly been able to keep 'typical 4chan behavior' separate from the game.

>>137631404
This is why 2 stating provinces is a good thing

>>137656621
You could have prevented this future, Admin.

>>137631404
>>137656621
>>137656798

Just wait for winter and he will be free!
Or, alternatively, he's Atlantis or something and it just freezes over in a turn or so.

>>137655635
Yeah, well, I make bad decisions. I realize that barging in and trying to change people won't work, I just didn't feel like sitting through a long game that would just annoy me. I'll probably be around in the future - because I like playing Dominions, and this is one of the only places where people care to try to play well - but I'll refrain from joining things where I can't disengage or stop talking to people if I get annoyed again. Didn't mean to cause a fuss.

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>>137657150
no biggie. there's always the glory of pbem anonymous play. speaking of witch is springhawks acro in here?

>>137657150

Just be prepared for the general banter because nobody gives a shit around here, plus it's people from various countries where certain words don't actually have any sort of deep meaning. You're not going to change that.

Just play what you're comfortable with.

>>137657150
Better avoid steam games then. In anonymous ones you can avoid interacting with people you find idiots, and in my experience they're pretty tame anyway.

>>137656573
Yo referring to /v/anheim or here?

Let's say it's very early on in a very large meme game and you've already managed to accrue 50 blood slaves. Who do you empower?

A D4 to B3 to eventually start getting Vampires
An E1 to B3 because Blood Stones will be more useful in the very long time it takes you to get Blood 7 when you have other research goals
A bunch of A1s to B1 to spread out your searching and eventually upgrade to Storm Demon summoning?

I may also have access to Lamias depending on booster trading and empowering, so I could use those for searching and put my blood empowers on the E caster especially, though that's not the most efficient use of N gems. Not that I have more effective uses of all this spare Nature so it's probably worth it anyway.

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>>137658007
invest in nature and crossbreed

>>137658007
If it's a very large meme game you might as well go for vampires since you'll probably end up with dozens of vampire lords by the time anything happens. Vampires on their own might not do too much to super lategame demon armies but at least it'll be extremely annoying trying to take anything in your dominion.

Which era C'tis is best C'tis?

>>137658007

Depends entirely on what nation you play. But in a completely general sense, unless the map is riddled with rivers I'd go for vampires, as getting just one Lord means you are ensured of more, and you can use them to bloodhunt and to do suicide runs on anyone in your dominion.

>>137658836
LA

>>137658836
MA

>>137658836
EA

>>137658689
I was actually thinking of Vampires as my most accessible blood searchers to get something started. I'm really not sure how you're really supposed to break in, other than just empowering all your searchers at 80B a pop.

Maybe I'll get very lucky and find a Camazotzs province.

>>137658836
It depends

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>>137658836
It dependsssss

>>137658836
It doesn't depend.
LA blows EA and MA out of the water.

>>137659332
Yeah, Lamia queens are your only other real option. Once you get a few blood hunters going it'll grow fairly quickly, though.

>>137658836
It depends, which do you prefer: Late game Tartarians, being full of lizard aids, or Mid game chariots and banefire everywhere.

>>137659991

I've got a hardon for banefire. That LA?

I just wanted to play with some lizards. Never done so before.

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So Spring Hawks admin, what do?

>>137660648
yup LA is perfect banfire spammers

>>137659991
But they all get lategame Tarts?

>>137660926

Nice. Thanks

>>137659642
MA got Sauromancers and aids dominion.

>>137629669

Yes I am still looking for a sub. Though we need the admin to change the nation over to your email address.

And blah, I just read your next post. Either way, is Armemegeddon admin around?

>>137661228

Sauromancers are LA and they're nuts as they can cast Bane Fire without any boosting required. And are sacred.

>>137661228
MA don't have sauromancers. They have marshmasters. Which are not remotely as good as some people here think they are when you actually look at what you pay for and what you get.
Cancer dom is nice. But LA having tomb wyrms and some of the best evoblasting in the game is a whole other world.

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>>137658836

LA C'tis, best C'tis.

Also, fun fact, the hotel I was at over the weekend is banned from 4chan. Wonder which one of you is responsible for that.

>>137661243
Oh what the hell I'll do it anyway.

>>137661470
LA C'tis only real issue imo is a somewhat anemic expansion, and not having blood access in the age of blood.

>>137661674

LA C'tis does just fine at expanding, if you're willing to take Production scales. Sadly a lot depends on how close you get to be to wastes, as Desert Rangers are the best troop you get.

>>137661590
Gotta admit, this is the first memegame where so many nations could potentially contend for victory. Stalewarriors had only bats and jews in the endgame, and All Yesterdays was stomped on by Agartha. But here any of C'tis, Xibalba, Lemuria, Mictlan, or Patala (in roughly that order) could claim victory.

Can you attach multiple .2h files to a single email?

>>137662978
You can. But llamaserver will throw an error and tell you to send them one by one.

>>137659991
>>137660926
>>137661413
>>137661470
>>137661590
>>137661674
>>137661951

Ah I am glad we are on a map with plenty of wastes then. I honestly have no clue how to beat a C'tis that pumps out hordes of buffed tomb wyrms backed up by an army of banefire spammers.

Even elves can't compete and wreck the economy because undead don't give a shit.

>>137663391
>Even elves can't compete and wreck the economy because undead don't give a shit
LA Ctis has a pretty big money problem. Their forts need temples on top of labs. And their mages are bloody expensive for how many of them you need to be effective.

Skellies versus B9 sacreds. Who wins? Find out tomorrow morning!

>>137666782
B9 isn't going to help against skeletons.

Sure, you'll occasionally kill one when you get hit, but they're so weak individually that it won't make a difference to the outcome.

Need a sub for NoWeebs2 Joutnheim

Going to the Middle East to do an internship for my GFs dad and I won't have time for all the games I have going.

He needs help because he got divorces, stabbed by a meth-head then his apartment in Dubai caught fire

I'm a shit player so I've got gems coming out the ears but I think Ermor is on an escalator to victory so good luck dealing with that,

>>137666782
Best blesses for fighting skellies are N9 or E9. Or N9 AND E9. Its all about endurance usually.

>>137667494
>>137669183
I'm the skelly.

So I'm very glad to hear it!

>>137670312
It doesn't necessarily mean you'll win. Strong troops will rip through a hell of a lot of skeletons regardless of bless, and there's always magic to turn the tables.

But if your opponent is relying on B9 to save him, then he's fucked.

>>137670601
Yeah, that is what's worrying me. Don't entirely know his plan and his troops are a hell of a lot more efficient than my own.. It is a lot of skeletons, though.

So how does one (or more) go about deciding how to set up their team for a disciples game?

Could I buy a pair of winged boots off anyone? TO be sent this turn, if possible.

>>137671336
B9 Boars will also rape skeletons, but that has more to do with the trample than the B9.

>>137671635
They also lose to any mr spell.

>>137671602

Sent.

>>137674858
Cheers, do you want anything?

>>137674995

Whatever you have lying around. Items to get things underwater would be great, as my Water forging continues to be slow.

>>137675398
What happened to the 30 shambler skins I made?

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hey guys did you know if you take pan and flip the 'p' you get dan? just sayian

>tfw pretty sure I'm having a panic attack over nothing and still having to do turns.

>>137678608
Take your time and recover if you need to. This may be a good game, but it's still just a game. If playing helps you distract/calm down/focus, then by all means do, but otherwise... just take care of yourself, yes?

>>137678797
the latter.

>>137678608
Relax anon, the worst possible outcome is you doing badly in a game, nothing else. If you need some extensions but don't want to say which person you are in the games I'm sure any Admins arround will do them for you.

How is it I always check my email or llamaserver right after the next turn is sent? I have a sixth sense for this kind of thing.

I just wish Ishria wasn't having this much fun. Maybe we would have faster turns then.

>>137679885
Conquest of ealysium got abandoned by it's admin or I would have.

Janvaldorf, feel free to attack. I got what I wanted faster than expected.

Righto, anybody know where c'tis is? If not then I gotta find a sub for him.

>>137661951
Why are you wasting money on that crap.

Y'know Caelum you could just say you want my land, it wouldn't be any less of a blatant landgrab than supposedly taking offense over a feeble-minded sorc I was suiciding.

>>137682765

Nah, not offended. The message was just for flavor. Had to go to war with someone eventually, ya know?

>>137684539
I understand, It's just a bit goofy.

Yo Arco sent you a message this turn, I hope we don't have any collisions.

>>137684620

>witty memes
>goofy

All in the spirit of the game, friend.

Is clustered starts supposed to lump everybody into a giant adjacent clusterfuck while the rest of the map remains untouched?

Because that's what it's doing for me.

LA Ctis is a meme

>>137686897
You're a meme.

>>137687327
Yes. Kinhs, Pretenders, the Pantrokrator himself...They're all controlled by something greater:

True Cthulhu faction when? All units cause some form of insanity loss, except 3-4 very earlygame, weak units I.E cultists who spread turmoil and the like instead.

The current Cthulhu stuff is limited to what, some fucking fishmen and Dagon. where's shub-niggurath? wheres ithaqua?

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>>137687484

>>137687662
The horror from beyond reality role is covered by the horrors.
Incidentally, Doom Horrors do a pretty damn good job of bringing both doom and horror.

ded

Okay okay what if instead of just horde of skeletons.
There was AD crosspath for horde of flying skeletons, and horde of skeletal archers (maybe take away the banefire bow)
An ED crosspath for horde of triarus/skeletons with shields and just heaps of skeletons.
A WD crosspath for horde of ambidextrous skeletons,
An FD crosspath for horde of skeletons with baneburst attack.
An SD crosspath for horde of ethereal skeletons.
A BD crosspath for horde of damage reversal skeletons.
An ND crosspath for horde of 10% regen skeletons

I want more variety in skeleton summons.

>>137689884
>just heaps of skeletons
That should be heaps of armour.

>>137689884
So basically everyone is better at summoning skellies than actual D2 necromancers?

Shit idea.

>>137689884
How about giving death some good spells which aren't skeletons instead?

Reanimating evocations are interesting and cool but they're so shit nobody uses them.

>>137690348
Assuming these require at least D2X1, that mage should be better in combat than just D2. After all, they cost more. D1X1 could get a single skeleton summon like D1 does.

>>137687662
>ithaqua
I'm hoping an Iroquois nation is made first. Wendigos come from NA mythology after all.
>shub-niggurath
Appears in CoE4 weirdly enough. With the R'lyeh patch, expect stuff like the Yithians and Hounds of Tindalos from CoE4 to be ported.

>>137687662
Literally LA R'lyeh.

>>137690348
They'd be A1D3/A2D3 or something.
>>137690547
>cool but they're so shit nobody uses them
MRN evocations are a bit of a niche. And the niche is already covered perfectly well by shadow blast. I don't know how you'd fix that.

Death could do with getting more variety out of death spells but I wanted specifically midgame and early-late game crosspaths that don't get eclipsed by horde of skeletons. Since when I see people play all the nations with D2 access it sort of looks the same, regardless of the crosspaths they have.

Okay, I'm back.

>>137660869
We need a sub. Anyone up for playing turn 14 Ulm in a pretty standard MA game? >>137638092 says it's in a decent position. Staled three turns so far.

>>137691301
Will you please admin more games? As opposed to whoever is making the 'name includes the age' games?
If you can't find a sub I can AI at the least.

>>137691432
Yeah, I could probably admin a few more games, if there's interest in any new ones (summod, maybe?). Though I'm not sure why should it be me, I don't think I'm doing anything unusual. Are admins in /domg/ games so bad lately?

>>137690984
>MRN evocations are a bit of a niche. And the niche is already covered perfectly well by shadow blast. I don't know how you'd fix that.
Shadow blast is the only evocation people use because it's the only one which has a decent effect. Just buff the other death evocations and that issue will vanish.

>>137692709
How would you buff them? Their goal is to do damage not create more undead so if you made them better than shadow blast at that then nobody would use shadow blast.
I guess if you made them a cheap alternative to shadow blast ie not needing a bajillion gems.

>>137691432
Oh, and thanks for volunteering as an AI setter. Would you mind posting an e-mail address so I can send you the turn if we can't find a sub in, say, 24 hours?

I feel like an idiot because I forgot to write it down, but who was it that ordered the Rune Breaker?

I'll figure it out once you send in the gems, but I hate not having my records straight.

>>137693027
Well, for one example, you could change blast of unlife to D2, increase fatigue to 30, and remove MRN. That would be a decent evocation, but the uses wouldn't overlap with shadow blast much.

Shadow Bolt and Bolt of Unlife could probably be made D1 (MRN, single target, not great precision - compare to frozen heart or stellar cascades). D1 can't even cast shadow blast, so that wouldn't overlap either.

>>137693049
Dom_gee at aol
Th admins have been bad lately, not entirely sure why.

>>137694192
>blast of unlife to D2, increase fatigue to 30, and remove MRN
It's AN and MRN right now. We're talking about a free, D2 unresistable AOE evoblast if you remove the MR check. I love it.

>>137694415
>We're talking about a free, D2 unresistable AOE evoblast if you remove the MR check.
Yep, that was intentional. Maybe a small damage decrease, but I don't think it's massively out of line for evo6 D2.

>>137694716
Make an issue on https://github.com/sum1won/summod describing it because I love the sound of this.
Or if you don't want to make an account I'll do it.

Also blitz get in chat you hidoi nerds.

>>137694776
>Or if you don't want to make an account I'll do it.
I'd prefer that, I'm too lazy to make an account.

Yo TC can we talk? Like in a steam chat.

Any late ages games that need participants?

>>137699472
No, you're too late.

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>>137654583
Aw shit, missed your reply. Here I'll repost the game ad.

Tryharderest

Players: 8 total, 4 left (Pan/Marignon/Ulm/Ashdod taken), no AI
Age: Middle
Map: Plane of Rusty Nails
Thrones: 10x1/3x2/2x3, 12 to win
Score graphs: off
Sites: standard
Events: common
Indies: standard
Mods: none/default
Connection: see pic, please don't click start unless you're player 8

I'm LA Agartha against Lemuria, wtf do I do? Shadow evocations do nothing since they're all magic resist negates, Blade Wind does nothing against the ethereals, Earthquake is countered by floating.
Is my only option to research to Wither Bones this early?

>>137700784
F2 Alchemist casting Flaming Arrows on crossbowmen.

>>137700784
I think flaming arrows will do damage through ethereal, though you might want to test it to make sure. So spam xbows and put up flaming arrows.

You have recruitable H2 as well, possibly try banishment.

>>137700784
>>137701018
FIRE
FIRE
FIRE

Against spooky things, the solution is **always** more fire.

>>137701143
Unless it's dust walkers or flame spirits.

>>137702897
Or smoulderghosts, for that matter.

>>137702959
>>137702897
I hereby define those to be not spooky, therefore I am still right. What now, anon, what now?

>>137702897
>>137702959
Insufficient fire, use more.

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>>137703118
>>137703123
Whatever you say.

What would Anne's stats in Dom4 be like

>>137703305
Anne from management would be useless. Maybe 1 point to reduce unrest. Size 1.

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>>137657362
>speaking of witch is springhawks acro in here?
>witch
Wow, rude.
I am now, need anything?

>>137703515
If you could mass her and the price wasn't too high, she'd make for a good patroller.

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Would standardeagame and SpringHawks admins and peeps would be okay with a 48 hour extension? I'm leaving today and return Friday on a blitz surprise trip to Milan and I really don't want to stale.

Please.

>>137704730
Milan is pretty cool. Have fun.

pls help how do I

>>137704730
No problem. Have a great time in Milan, it's a beautiful city.

>>137705036
A-are you okay anon?

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>>137705036
fuck I forgot

>>137705142
Hey, at least it's not a watcher/monolith throne or the one with the titan that likes to rain of stones your shit.

>>137705142
Is that memegeddon? If so it's best to work out some ridiculous way to capture the neter, like fox force five. If not, send a scout/commander set to retreat to see the paths, then a regular midgame army should wipe them.

>>137705142
That's a whole lot of chaff with miserable armor.

>>137705142
You want to kill these things? They're not particularly tough, any battlefield-wide damaging spell (Rain of Stones, Fire Storm etc.) will work. Or some elite troops.

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>>137705507
What's fox force five? Are you referencing the Pulp Fiction joke or is there some meme I'm not aware of?

>>137706402
Sy's name for his five kitsune with black hearts and full gear which stole a D7 Pretender from the Throne of Splendor

>>137693808
That would be me.

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Turns

>>137709691

Please refrain from sexualizing the AWOO

>>137710295
The AWOO will be sexualized! Only the playing of turns can prevent it.

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Hurry up and end my misery Agartha.

>>137712371

WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?

Also again TC come to talk.

What would cause indy province to be empty and have 60ish unrest?

>>137717068
What turn is it?

>>137717182
Think it was summer of 2nd year.

>>137717310
That seems too soon for a disease site to have wiped everyone, normally it'd take longer. What does the province history indicate, any random events?

>>137717454
Only mention is it being conquered by me.

>>137717778
spoopy

>>137717778
Then that's a mystery to me, unless it's a hoburg province.

Does it have abnormal scales, or was it already under dominion?

>>137717068
60ish unrest could easily be from one of many special sites. I believe they still increase unrest while hidden.

That still doesn't explain the indie province being empty, though.

How soon should I start blood hunting as a (non-mictlan) blood nation? Should it be my first blood mage to get started, or should I be waiting a bit for a research base?

>>137719750
You need to be able to use the slaves you hunt (i.e. have enough research for the spells you want), otherwise you're just losing gold and research for nothing.

OH WOW JUST REALIZED TC IS AI FOR SOME REASON. Nice, real fucking nice.

>>137720025
If I wait for research to finish before I start blood hunting, I'll have wasted research for two to three turns since I can't spend slaves I don't have.

>>137720552
Research is never wasted, provided you're actually researching something you need.

Of course I don't mean wait for Blood 7 before starting to hunt.

>>137705507
>>137706492

Wait you can enslave/seduce indie pretenders??

>>137721457
Well they don't have the pretender trait so it should be possible. Pretenders are just highly powerful version of the indy chassis.

>>137721457
Yes. There's nothing special about the pretender chassis itself. It's being a pretender/prophet which makes charm not work.

>>137721716
>>137721907

Huh, that makes sense since they don't have the trait. I never thought of that and just swarmed them with cheap units or even archers, since often they're pretty weak in a straight up fight if it's a caster chassis.

_____________________ ded fgts _____________________

So from having thousands of Maeneds in Noweebs, and now having thousands of Lemuria ghosts in Flatus, I can confirm.

Naked Women are better at fighting than ghosts.

>>137724521
>not using summod

>>137726245
I wasn't aware summod has their attacks no longer be MR negates. Because frankly as long as MR negates is a thing, they'll have less killing power than wet noodles (Maeneds)

>>137726360
It makes them MR Negated (Hard).

>>137724521
Skeletons>boars>meanads>ghosts>polypal spawn
If I'm missing any freespawn, do say.

>>137727067
Manikins & co. from Apshodel, but I don't know where they'd rank.

>>137727067
Bats, dreamers/absolute madmen, plants, thralls.

>>137727067
Vampires>Beast bats>Boars>Skeletons>meanads>ghosts>polypal spawn

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What the bones did you just skellington say about me, you little smoothskin? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the spooky skeletons trumpet school, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on halloween, and I have over 300 confirmed doots. I am trained in scary spooking and I’m the top trumpeter in the entire spooky graveyard. You are nothing to me but just another little baby to be spooked. I will wig you the heck out with spookiness the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my spooky words. You think you can get away with saying that hogwash to me over the Internet? Think again, spooker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spooky mummies and ghosts across the creepy crypt and your bedroom closet is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, doot. The storm that spooks out the pathetic little thing you call your wits. You’re hecka spooked, kid. I can spook anywhere, anytime, and I can spook you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my trumpet. Not only am I extensively trained in spooky scaring, but I have access to the entire trumpet of the spooky skeletal abyss and I will use it to its full extent to spook your miserable butt off the face of the continent, doot doot doot. If only you could have known what spooky retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held on to your hat. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you dumb little baby. I will spook skellingtons all over you and you will drown in them. You’re spooked, kiddo

>>137700028
IS IT PLAYED LIKE A PBEM OR A BLITZ?

>>137727067
Are Lemurians as bad as Therodosans or what?

Ulm, should I be worried about that throne-capping army going further south?

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>>137727608
What the ulm did you just ulming say about me, you little magician? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Smithing school, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on thrones, and I have over 300 confirmed ascensions. I am trained in using heavy armour and I'm the top thug in the entire Black Keep. You are nothing to be but just another heretic magician. I will ulm the fuck of you with Black Steel the likes of which has never been seen before on a blitz, mark my ulmish words. You think you can get away with putting that doomstack so close to my border? Think again, magician. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of Smiths and Pikeneers across the map and your doomstack is being traced right now so you better prepare for the Earthquake, heretic. The Earthquake that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your doomstack. You're ulmed, kid. I can Earthquake anywhere, anytime, and that's just with my Smiths. Not only am I extensively trained in casting Iron Blizzard, but I have access to the entire army of Ulm and I will use it to its full extent to ulm your miserable heretic ass off the face of the map. If only you could have known what ulmish retribution your "clever" little doomstack was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have hid in your fort. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you god damn magician. I will spam pikeneers all over you and you will drown in them. You're ulmed, kiddo

>>137727237

I'd put Ashpoodle manikins on-par or even ahead of skeletons simply because they get trampling freespawn in there and those vines cause fatigue so even some SC's can drown in a sea of manikins.

Admin can you be in steam chat? Found a potential sub.

Arcoscephale and T'ien Ch'i, are you in here?

>>137729794
Try the steam thread, maybe?

>>137730338
Good idea.

Hey TC, do you have Construction 6 yet? I would like to order some things from you if you do. Will be in chat waiting for an answer.

Hey is LA oceania here?

>>137731356
What game?

>>137731356
Hopefully never.

How the hell is EA Abysia supposed to not be totally broke? I've got maxed out money scales and I'm still unable to keep up Salamander recruitment at my forts, let alone raise an army or get actually good mages.

>>137732489
>Salamandar recruitment

I found the problem.

>>137729794

Yo

>>137732489

Why are you recruiting so many salamanders? No wonder you are running out of money, they're designed to be quick-to-mass but expensive units.

Recruit infantry instead.

>>137732637
I sent you a friend invite, can we talk for a moment?

Or we can use the group chat if you don't want to accept the invite.

>>137732923

np just a sec

>>137729794
Oh also it wouldn't hurt to talk to Xibalba.

>>137732610
>>137732841
So I'm not supposed to recruit any mages? And how the hell am I supposed to quickly recruit mages when they're still 1/fort/turn?

>>137732841
I think he is talking about the mages.

>>137733445

Oh you are talking about Anathemant Salamanders. Abyssia also has a unit called the Salamander.

I don't know how you are running out of money then. How many provinces do you have and how many of those have a fort in them that you are recruiting mages from?

>>137733558
19 provinces, 4 forts including my capital which is spamming warlocks.

>>137733445
Ask Memegame III Abysia. He has not researched with an Abysian mage in roughly forever.

Indie mages are often times better at it and more cost effective under M3.

>>137734164
That's the answer I was hoping I wouldn't get.

I always hate researching with indies, because whenever I take M3 I always get screwed on tribes.

https://youtu.be/zPxqWTVl1MI

Dominions 4 the Movie

>>137735005
What the fuck.

>>137727878
Lemuria has better spectrals than Therodos for the most part. The hoplites being able to repel low morale creatures is nice but that's the only thing they do better.
>>137727237
Manikins need their own league table.
Elephants>Sagitarians>Horses>minotaurs=bears>wolves>humans>harpies(I mean they can't fly, which was the one thing that made harpies non shit)

>>137736128
You're forgetting satyrs

>>137736128
Manikin elephants would be broken if they weren't so rare.

>freespawn elephants with unbreakable morale

>>137736128

Don't forget the boars

>>137736330
Shittits. About equal to humans.
>>137736504
Personally they have always disappointed me.

>>137736804
Look too similar to the wolves.

Does the wiki have the number per turn reanimated by their different holy levels? If not they should be put on (2,3,4, etc)

>>137735005
>LAMictlan.wav

>>137735005

Holy mountain is such a great movie.

Monkeys have 3 different type of freespawn.
Skeletons also come in a variation of corpses (rephaim longdead, atlantian longdead, armored/unarmored skeletons) so to truly tier this shit we need an entire council.

>>137739446
ASSEMBLE THE GRAND COUNCIL OF "IT DEPENDS"
LET THE HERALDS OF TESTING BRING THE SUMMONS ACROSS THE LAND

>>137740270
I don't know why it would depend. When it comes to skeletons, the hard rule is: bigger = better.

>>137739446
There are also summons that summon additional freespawn, like Werewolves, Vampires and Fairy Queens.

>>137740936
The rabbit hole goes deep.

>>137740936
wolves are shit, vampires are great, sprites are situational, but also great.

>>137740645
What else would our council be named? Also Nazcan longdead suck.

>>137740645

Yes but is an unarmored longdead with a broad sword better or worse than an unarmored longdead of C'tis with a spear? What about an unarmored longdead Bandar with a mace? WHAT ABOUT ERMOR LONGDEAD? WHAT ABOUT LONGDEAD WARRIORS WHICH ARE LIZARDS WITH A BITE ATTACK? THERE'S TOO MANY SKELETONS ANON! TOO MANY ACK ACK ACK

>>137741196
Wolves are great for patrolling.

>>137741280
so is literally every other type of freespawn.

>>137741272
>Longdead with a bite attack
Do you know why they are summonable from the hall of the drowned?

>>137741560
Wolves are easier to get though, and available to everyone unlike most freespawn.

>>137741605

Tell me anon. I am assuming because it is better underwater.

>>137741791
No, I mean I don't know, as it's those two specific longdead, when all are amphibious, so why the hunter lizards?

>>137741979

I really don't know. I figured perhaps because they have an intrinsic weapon that works better underwater, but I don't believe that matters at all and it just gets penalized for being a slashing attack.

One thing I can think of is to give ocean nations a shot at obtaining better than average longdead in case they want to invade the land.

Shambler soulless have radical 31 hp. 62 hp of dead meat for free.

>>137744673

The fact that these fuckers can come in coral armor with glaives and shields makes them even worse.

>>137744673
How can you get them? Reanimating UW?

>>137745927
Be atlantis, reanimate soulless, get a chunk of them in national versions.

Where can I find an updated list of events based on scales?

I tried the inspector but it isn´t easy to sort out things.

Like, is luck3 order1 worth the points with low dominion?

>>137746194
Sweet. Gonna summon some Mound Fiends asap.

Anybody knows how much time do I have to wait to appoint a new prophet, if my current one dies?

>>137746506
6 months

>>137746335
You honestly have better things to do than that with your death gems and turns.

>>137747136
Moundfiends are actually pretty cost effective.

>>137747353
Yeah, but LA Atlantis already has crazy strong death mages. Your more focused on using your death gems for combat and boosters than an ultra expensive chaff generator.

>>137744673
They also have garbage stats in all other aspects.

>>137747936
Aside from Shadow Blast (maybe an assumption I shouldn't be making) how are you using D gems in combat? This is one thing I've been dealing with in some of my more death-heavy nations, I just don't really know how to make the most out of death magic tactically, aside from skellyspam I guess.

>>137747936
Who said anything about LA?

markata longdead

>>137750558

thread longdead!

T'ien Ch'i and Xibalba, are you in here?

We need to talk.

>>137750558
The only good markata is a dead one unless buffed with will of the fates, fog warriors, army of gold/lead, and berserking

>>137751637
All they need is strength of giants and flame arrows, the rest is gravy.

So new jotun, should we keep on fighting?

Since people talk about bad things happening to Dominions people, here's what happened to a Dorf Fort guy:

>I tried talking to him, but he spoke only Arabic, gestured towards my backpack.
>I took out my passport and handed it to him, but soon realized that this was not a proper control, when he grabbed the backpack and started rummaging around in it.
>Unfortunately the kind man did not put the things back into my bag and left, but instead unholstered his pistol, put a bullet in the chamber (*clack-clack, everyone knows the sound, one of the sergeants in my unit once called it the universal-translator) and aimed it at my head.
>I was pondering the success chances of pushing him over the cliff
>When he left I was running after him, yelling at him that he should leave the harddrive
>On the way back to the tent I realized what is on that harddrive, I just stopped walking, fell down, curled up into a ball and allowed myself to cry for half a minute or so.
>It started to rain almost immediately after I started to cycle, a thunderstorm that would later end up becoming a hail storm.
>Then I got a flat tire.

>>137751812
What was on the harddrive?

>>137751812
>>137751935
This.

>>137751935
Photos. Guy's a professional photographer, and apparently hadn't backed up since Germany.

Does anyone have the gems->gold ratios for the various Alchemization spells readily at hand? I'm looking for it but it's not coming up as easily as I'd hoped.

>>137752157
the best one is 20+
2F to cast, alt 6 IIRC

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>inb4 50 heavy cav
I'M GOING IN DRY

>>137751935
His completed .2h file.

>>137752667
Nah, that's like 12-14 cav at most. Could still wreck smaller expansion parties though.