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I think I found our problem.

>>136525319
Fucking spammers leave shmups alone.

For the anon who wanted the Mushi Original Max replay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS6ESXoEFrE

>>136525638
Goddammit, this is matmouse tier. There's no way I could follow this.

>>136525638
I really dislike shmups that have no sense of rhythm, they feel so hollow.

Play chorensha or gigawing or JSS at a high skill level though, and you feel your heart beating harder and harder in time to the beat, pupils dilating as your focus reaches the razor's edge

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>the stage song goes on longer than the stage itself
>same thing for bosses
For what purpose, I'd only get to hear the full length if I paused the game.

>>136525319
Now it makes sense... Sigh...

>>136528573
This. I don't hear it from many artists, but both ZUN and JynX usually have problems with their composition due to how long a stage or boss actually is. Most of the times, if a song is too long, they'll just scrap it.

>>136529063
>in JSS the speed of enemy spawns creates a percussion line with their explosions as you shoot them down

why can't everyone else just do it right

>>136529457
As someone who has a lot of musical knowledge, I assume most people need the stages to be done before composing for them in order to do that, most shmups don't. Even if you compose after everything's done, getting a fast tempo song that fits the whole stage in terms of rhytmn and feel is very very hard, though possible if you're experienced enough. All in all, depends on how good a musician is.

>>136525638
thx mate

>>136526823
You fucking dumb cunt none of the games you mentioned come anywhere near to the bone shaking nerve racking intensity of point blanking precision dodges against lightening speed bullets in 1.5 max. Try playing it it's extremely addictive and full of "rhythm" or whatever vague nonsense you are talking about.

>>136526515
I know right? i thought my 30k stage 1 gem count was decent and didnt imagine making the 50k mad fuck bullets was possible in stage 1, guess i was wrong.

Matmouse is streaming Futari

>>136530940
see? only someone with actual autism can enjoy games with so little cohesion between the different elements.
>>136529632
Exactly. That shit needs to be math all the way through, from the ground up, set to a fucking timer. Chorensha fucking nails it.

>>136531202
Switching to Ketsui now. I wonder if it's SPS?

>>136531804
>only someone with actual autism can enjoy games with so little cohesion between the different elements.
Oh right so what you're trying to say is like you like basic shoot n dodge games with easily memorable patterns.

>>136531804
>That shit needs to be math all the way through, from the ground up, set to a fucking timer.
And i have autism? lol

>>136532138
Yes anon you do it is obvious to everyone except you because you have autism.

>>136532343
Very original response, it's almost like you're pure math from the ground up set to a fucking timer.

fuck sake is this cunt on matmouse going to play ketsui or what? Busy jacking it out back to reco i bet.

>>136531804
>That shit needs to be math all the way through
And not only that, but also has to convey what the stage pushes on and carefull picking of sounds. Music ain't easy.

>>136532107
The Ketsui player is the world record holder for Type-B, not SPS who's focused on DOJ.

>>136532393
anon you're really getting mad here

>>136535667
>the 4chan response ever circa 2009

>>136536421
there's not much I can do when I'm presented with the absence of any sort of critical argument

>>136536664
And do you often insist on saying something worthless and contributing to this lack of argument that you ironically claim is lacking? That doesn't seem very clever.

>>136525319
I'd have thought /dsg/ would be higher since people have found ways to play 3 early. Good to see that it's not even something exciting.

>>136537517
Are... Are you okay, Anon?
How much purple bullets you see in this webm?

>>136537904
I can't even count that high anon.

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>>136537904
>>136537984
Ah, guess I need to stand in a shame corner for a minute.

>>136538027
I hate watching this shit player for even 5 seconds

>>136538282
Agreed, even by the way they just move you can tell when the player is ass.

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>>136538467
Pls, senpai, tell me, is my movement ok?

>>136539270
fellowkeyboardwarrior/10

>>136539270
no, you're making unnecessary movements and you're not keeping a bead on the core. you also need to to learn how to move in more of a fluid, arcing trajectory in order to better control the distances you move by using diagonals. start by moving in figure 8s when the screen is free of projectiles, and always play with analog or a joystick. Nothing else is acceptable.

So I should have this DeathSmiles 1CC in the bag as long as I cuck out and drop the rank on Stage 6 to avoid the suicide bullets. What's the best route for getting the 2 extends ASAP?

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I want you to post your 1ccs /shmupg/!

>>136542753
Does 1ALL count?

>>136542753
I feel bad that my 1cc clear of chorensha relies so heavily on spamming bombs and burning all my lives during the last fight

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I wanna play some Cabal shooters! What are the best ones that aren't Sin and Punishment and Wild Guns?

>>136544375
As far as I know the movements of the TFB is completely random, and with the amount of shit he throws at you I wouldnt feel too bad about just bomb spamming his face.

>>136542753
>>136544123
If 1-ALLs count, then I get one on Final Boss: Raw Label. Farthest I've gotten on the Second Loop is near the end of Stage 3. That Sour Eater boss just eats all my lives and those damn trains finish me off.

>>136542753
Hopefully I'll have that Kamui clear to talk about here soon.

>>136547352
What's giving you troubles anon? I remember that walking mech being a pain in the ass.

>>136547840
I'm an idiot trying to milk for the final score achievement on my first 1cc. I'm also not consistent at all with the stage 3 boss (the walking mech you're talking about, I believe).

>>136548026
Well there's your problem anon, bosses in Kamui become much harder if you try to milk all their destroyable parts. And I cant even remember if you get extends in that game, so it's pretty much all risk no reward.

And yup, the Augumo if I remember his name correctly is pretty much the first difficulty spike of the game. Once you get him down only Stage 5 should stand i the way of your 1cc. Really you should just abuse that lighting gun for defense, makes things much easier.

Are the shield power-ups random in Kamui? Could never find a pattern for them.
Number of kills maybe?

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13,000 shots, 14 hours of playtime or something just to get this. ;_;

However, I still like Double Spoiler. Game is right hard! I learned a lot about omnidirectional dodging.

>Get to the castle with 4 lives
>Fuck it up
ree

how basic bitch is touhou 8 easy as a first 1cc

>>136558518
Shouldn't be too hard for a first 1cc. Stick to teams A or D and have a go at it. Don't forget to 420 graze it for more time. Good Luck.

>>136540620
You'd have to not choose level 3 on the fifth and sixth stages. Suicide bullets would trigger if you choose it five times, not six.

The best route the getting the two extends ASAP is generally anything stage 1 -> Volcano stage 2 (Level 3) starting with 1000 item counter. I'm pretty sure you can at least get the first extend easily through Volcano. After that it's just scrounging up the remaining points however you can elsewhere. I find Graveyard is a pretty decent place for points because there's always ground for point items to break apart on in power up mode. Otherwise try downloading a replay on the leaderboard for the character you're using and see what kind of things they do for points.

>>136559607
Yeah I can get pretty close to the 2nd extend on Volcano so I don't know if getting them both is possible

>>136552737
As far as I can tell it's based on the number of item drops you've picked up.

>>136560117
You can use the recharge in Volcano to get a lot more points out of it, unless you're using Casper in which case that's not necessary. But if you're that close to the second extend then it's probably easier just to get the points elsewhere rather than trying to learn the recharge.

>>136560372
Recharges are a bit complex if you're not planning to play for score.

Raiden V on stgweekly

>>136563441
game looks so fun
shame its an x1 exclusive

>>136563610
I'm split on it. Parts of it look really fun, parts of it make my eyes hurt, and the whole "writing text that you're supposedly going to read while playing fucking Raiden" that isn't being shown here is really dumb.

>>136562802
Oh I know, that's why I said it'd be easier not to, and if he's close to the second extend then it's not necessary anyway.

Both extends are very much possible without worrying about recharges at all, as long as you understand letting point items break apart during power up mode.

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I want to cuddle with Cave-san!

>>136556146
It's a very fun game. Sorta wish ZUN would make one soon...

>>136556462
Keep it up~

>>136565217
>tfw you'll never cuddle with Cave-san.
>tfw she'll never laugh at you failing DOJ miserably.
Why live?

>>136565419
>tfw she'll never laugh at you failing DOJ miserably.
I can cover this one for you if you'd like, baka.

>>136567552
>implying you're a cute grill.
No thanks, I'm still stuck on stage 3-4.

>>136567710
>>implying you're a cute grill.
I don't remember implying either of those things.
What part of stage 3 is giving you trouble?

>>136567919
Still, no cute girl, no laughter.
Pretty much after the midboss. Usually the big guys screw me over but that's just due to my shortcomings. I'll get it eventually.

>>136568180
>Usually the big guys screw me over
If I drop this bomb will you die?

>>136568528
It would be extremely scrubful

>>136568528
To be honest, it would be extremely painfull later on, since I'm no big player. Even still, I'd rather not rely on them as of yet...

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>>136571162
What happened to Casper?

>>136563610
>game looks so fun
it doesn't, it looks total shit .

actually my opinion is the best

>>136573806
Your opinion isn't gay enough, my gay opinion is the best.

Do people generally prefer Espgaluda I or II?
I've been watching scoring runs of both games and the original seems a lot more enjoyable, 2 has a lot of that 10 fps for 30 seconds canceling bullshit and I prefer it all being cancels for gold rather than spending gold as a secondary resource for pure chain

>>136572832
She let down her hair and took off her clothes.

And broke the shower head.

>>136575009
She might've broken off the penis head too, judging from her apparel.

>>136575339
Ah, but it's just a simple nightgown. Perhaps what she sleeps in.

>>136576650
No, I meant the gardening shears.

>>136576860
Hmm, they're pretty intimidating, aren't they? It's no wonder that she has no friends.

>>136575009
That's one dangerous shower if she had to break the shower head.

>>136578562
Perhaps, but who knows. She might've broken it on accident. She's a rather rough girl with a tendency to get carried away.

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Happy Casper

>>136581817
That's not a casper, that's a potato

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>>136581817
Happy Casper.

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>>136581967
Not that's Casper. This is a potato and Windia.

>>136584365
I hope they find a cure before it's too late.

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>>136584365
Why is her forehead so fucking huge, god damn

See a doctor

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>>136589038
Why is she so smug?

>>136586534
I think it's a hint that Casper is actually an alien. No human looks like that.

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I love everyone in this thread! LOVE!

>>136593949
Kill yourself

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>>136593949
Lies. Inbachi can't love anyone, or she wouldn't be so mean.

>>136595536
One of these days I'll play Sonic Wings. One of these days.

>>136597931
What prevent you to play it now anon?

>>136598618
Being terrible at shmups and wanting to clear the games I own first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVb5uVDe1EQ

Is there anything better than gettting home drunk and playing some shmups?

>>136602948
Getting home drunk and 1ccing a shmup!

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Finally got my first Battle Garegga clear!

Run #998 was the lucky winner.

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>>136604931
Nice dedication and good job on that 1cc!

>>136605217
Thanks! It really took a while but it also was definitely the hardest game I ever played through.
Finally I can focus on something else again.

>>136604931
You did without hard-resetting the rom between runs? You absolute madman!

>>136606280
Hell no, I have Hiscore.dat in my MAME. It saves the scores for most games.

>>136606467
Ah, I should probably do that myself one of these days.
Regardless, congratulations! Garegga is a fucking beast. Any plans on scoring for it? Working on other Raizing games?

>>136606641
I definitely also want to try other ships. Chitta looks kinda fun, but hard to handle.
But yea, I think I will first focus on Battle Bakraid now I think.

>>136606821
Interesting choice. Garegga is one everyone talks about, and a lot of people mention Batrider, but Bakraid seems to be the unsung of the three. You should definitely post as you make progress!

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>>136604931
>tfw absolutely love Garegga's aesthetics and just generally everything
>but have no idea what to do about the Rank System

>>136607716
>but have no idea what to do about the Rank System
Either embrace it by learning score strats, or keep it on a leash by picking up ONLY WHAT YOU THINK YOU NEED and shooting only to kill enemies.

>>136607716
Read the guide on system11 by Icarus. It's pretty good and helped me a lot.

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>Azure Nightmare is pretty easy
>Think that Crimson Nightmare won't be much worse
>The niggas lasers home so hard that they do 180s just to hit you.

God, shmups are such a nightmare to encode

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This thread had better be alive and kicking when I wake up, or else!

>>136613680
What will you do to me if it isn't?

>>136604931
Good job!
I almost PB my CCWI Arcade if not for stage 5 spaghetti, dang.

>gunbird second loop
wew

>>136616974
>psikyo second loops
mam

>Page 10

oh god bump

>>136602948
Getting drunk at an arcade and getting a 1cc

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>>136624742
THICK MONS

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>Watching Kacho play Gradius

>>136613680

That's a cute butt.

>>136627121
Which episode was that?

>>136628360
episode 136

>>136628794
Apparently there was one where he goes to a ge-sen and plays mushi, know which one it might be?

>>136629751
Episode 68.

>>136630084
Not that anon, but thank you. Now to go grab that one.

>>136630084
Thanks m8

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Try out the Groovy Invaders Demo for Android. With 5 varying levels of intense action!

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.GroovyVideoGames.GroovyInvaders

>>136632213
You should post about this over in the /vr/ thread, too. :^)

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Bump before bed. Good luck and don't die, /shmupg/.

>>136640849
'Supe (7 Years Old)' is the strangest name I've ever heard.

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>>136593949

Ketsui ura on matmouse

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What ever happened to Blue Revolver?

It's raining, the perfect weather for practicing shmups

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>>136649424
>It's raining

>>136649424
Are you going to go out and dodge the raindrops?

>>136649591
Never been able to appreciate this joke, hitbox is too big to dodge raindrops and the pattern's bullshit.

>>136649905
>implying your whole body is the hitbox and not just a fingernail

>>136649993
Yeah well it's a hollow victory if you're just gonna get soaked unless you cheat and stand under a roof.

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If only there was an easy way to get up there without using a bomb.

>>136651267
Just dodge the stuff and get to the top

>>136549164
Not him
I just recently 1cc'd Kamui. Great game.

I'm not 100% sure if you get extends, but I think you do. One thing that I think is good to do is to use the huge laser thing even if I didn't need to: the damage it does is really good, so even if you aren't having trouble with a pattern and your meter is full, you should use it(provided there is nothing below you to shoot at).

I've also 1cc'd Alltynex Second, another great game. I have to say, though, I'm not impressed by the second ship you unlock. Obviously, the sword is very valuable in this game, and not being able to use it to home onto enemies is such a huge deal breaker that I just can't use the shot type. Also, the laser not homing is a bummer as well.

I was planning on donig RefleX, but I'm working on the MoF extra stage now.

>>136652668
desu the Type B aircraft feels more like a challenge mode. Maybe its because I havent gotten gud with it but whenever I use it it feels like I have to fight the controls on top of dodging bullets. Its a painful experience but I do like how its abilities are kinda the opposite of the normal craft.

>>136651267
work for your exploits

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>played Final Boss again
>managed to finally get past the Stage 2-2 boss, and even managed to improved my route on Stage 1-2 and the Stage 1-3 boss
Feels good to finally get out of that funk I was in, shit was frustrating. Just remember /shmupg/, we're all gonna make it bruhs.

Post you're fav boss tunes

Recca has been one of the biggest innovations in the shmup genre and it is a shame it was never remade. I had a lot of fun playing it.

>>136662035
Fuk I forgot mine
https://youtu.be/Xva-RIDs-do

>>136662035
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0PjyUYGqoc

>>136644363
Great Thing is really cool.

>>136663046
>ALLTYNEX Second song
>uses a RefleX image
Still, good taste. The trilogy is just full of great music.

https://youtu.be/zh9YkHAbUoM
https://youtu.be/2YvKrxKwX7Y

>>136662035
It plays during the boss fight, it counts.

https://youtu.be/Lf0FxvSlHu0

>>136662035
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mugK4Y-l4TM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KJgPrkWLF0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBEdnJKSUMg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj4Nz_9g5o8

if I was going to give the "shmup" genre a chance
what would be the best possible shmup to play... to love

>>136668952
Nuclear Throne

>>136662201
Pink Sweets, coming to steam Fall 2016. You've been warned.

>>136662035
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep5O3r7K1jg&list=PL0FBDE87A34B6D290&index=9

>>136668952
Are you asking for "good games for a beginner" or "best of the best"?

For the former, I'd suggest M.U.S.H.A. Aleste, Darius Gaiden, or Touhou's 7, 8, or 10. Those are the three I started out with. Of them, Darius is probably the toughest, but none of them off too much complexity for someone just starting out, and I still heavily enjoy them after playing them off and on for years.

For the latter, there's Battle Garegga, Ketsui and Dragon Blaze. Garegga's music is great, the scoring is very deep by design, and the rank system will keep you on your toes every second. Ketsui offers a scoring system that, while obtuse, let's you go about your own path and still get decent scores, as well as two different 2nd loops each with their own scoring mechanics and difficulty. Dragon Blaze is just a culmination of all things Psikyo; challenging first loop, punishing second loop, and the randomized stages keep the game feeling fresh.

>>136671373
>the scoring is very deep by design
I love Garegga, but the scoring system in it is actually pretty retarded. It's basically just simple medal collecting and dumb milking.

>>136672029
Plus this arbitrary score reward for destroying stuff with certain shot types is way too random.

>>136672029
>>136672969
I said it was deep, and designed that way. Not necessarily that it was well-made. Personally, the fact that just about everything gives different point values based on shot type and whether you bombed it or not is stupid, but it's depth.

>>136673551
Yea, it definitely has depth, that's true. You really must read a guide to score decently in it.
One thing I like about it though is how you use your bombs to score by destroying background stuff. It's fun being able to blow so much shit up and even get huge points for it.
Also the way the medals fall make the game always a new challenge in a different way which is also cool.

>>136668952
I heard Suguri is very beginner friendly. I've seen people clear 1cc it on the hardest difficulty.

enjoy your thread sliding because nobody on /vg/ cares about shmups

>>136678432
Will do. Enjoy your drama and tripfags because that's what /vg/ actually cares about.

>>136678432
This, /dfg/, and /rlg/ are the only generals I can stomach because it's not 24/7 drama+betas jerking off to the weekly community slut.

>>136679035
>/rlg/
I bet they had a (small) burst of activity after the Triangle Wizard update.

Old games always look so easy at first, but then the bullets start getting lightning fast and you never have enough space to dodge with your gigantic hitbox across the whole screen.

Eschatos + Soundtrack + Judgement Silversword for $3.74

http://www.wingamestore.com/product/5384/Eschatos/

>>136683419
Is this official or fan art? This is bretty gud.

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>>136684103
That's official I think

>>136676930
>Suguri
>Beginner friendly

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>>136684103
The artist is pretty god-tier when it comes to shmups. Wish there was more of him.

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Anyone know which game this may be from?

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>>136652382
not enough time

>>136686068
>panzer dragoon
meh nvm

Watch out for that bullet, /sh- Nevermind, it's already gone off screen.

>>136686271
Ultra just looks awesome, damn.

>Raiden IV only sold 4.7k copies on steam
No wonder we didn't get V on PC, you fags don't buy good shmups and just lap up overrated Caveshit like the trend-following bandwagon dumbasses you all are.

>>136694250
It would help if it supported sticks properly

>>136694250
To be honest, the only reason I haven't bought every single shmup on Steam is due to poorfaggotry.

>>136694250
If I had the money I'd buy every single shmup on steam, but I still have to actully play so many of them that it makes littel sense for me to buy new ones.

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>>136694250
Suck my dick.

>>136694250
>>136697015
Somehow Mushihimesama wasn't set as a shmup yet.

Regardless, the Raiden IV port is shit anyway, and Raiden V itself is a hot, steaming turd.

>>136697015
I am legit jelly. All those bullets, so little time to dodge them.

>>136697759
Steam sales and some relatives like to give gift cards for birthdays/Christmas. I mostly play when I get to class early or the professor is late, or on the rare weekdays/ends where I have no homework.

>>136698568
I usually have bad timing with money. Last steam sale all I got get was DS1 and that was when Mushi wasn't even announced... From then on, nothing whatsoever besides what people give me. ...Which isn't shmups unfortunately. Keep that dedication up tho anon.

>>136698929
Are you selling your cards on the marketplace? A page or two of trading cards ought to get you enough money for a game when a big sale happens.

>>136699146
I only have a page of them that I like, and even if I did sell all of those, it wouldn't be enough for anything. Everything else I already sold, having an amazing total of 33 cents atm.

Whats the next CAVE game we're getting on Steam?

>>136699896
hopefully not DFK

>>136699896
If it's not SDOJ, I'll cry bullets of sadness.

>>136699896
They took about a month to announce Deathsmiles after Mushihimesama, so if they keep to that schedule we'll know in early April.

I'm hoping for SDOJ, but as long as it's not DFK or Ibara I won't be disappointed.

>>136694250
How many people do you think visit this general, mate? If we all bought the game three times it still wouldn't budge that number.

im so close to 1ccing espagulda i can taste it

>>136700470
>37 ips
Here's what we should do, let's buy and gift the game 100 times each and the number of sales will have nearly doubled!

>>136700001
>>136700091

Is SDOJ that good? I'm sort of a pedestrian to shmups. Personally, I'm hoping for Muchi Muchi Pork

>>136700484
Keep it up anon!

>>136700817
I'll take all CAVE games and Darius if you gift them : ^)

>>136700971
I played it a bit and it's pretty damn cool. As an overall CAVE game, it's very good. Not to mention looks and music. Overall it's just a game we can't play on PC yet and it would actually be awesome.

>>136700971
Muchi Muchi Pork would also be good. I can only give plebeian report on SDOJ because I don't have it on 360 and it's unplayable in MAME, but the music is great, the stages look fun enough, and the chaining seems friendlier to people that can't keep on top of it in the other DDP games.

>>136700971
I think it's more that the game is less accessible than a lot of the others, it's very new so it's not emulatable and I think 360 copies are still a little pricey.

I'm looking forward to it because I love the DDP series but I'm a casual who hates chaining

>>136700484
How does it taste anon? I've been working on that as well but got too sucked into scoring so my survival took a hit.

>>136701885
If they decided MMP they should include Pink Sweet too just like with 360 release. I'm fine with it either way.

>>136702735
feels like i should practice stage 3 and 5

>>136704596
Since they're currently porting 360 releases, if they ever do MMP it's almost guaranteed Pink Sweets will come with it.

Why are shmups the only good genre? Every other genre is cancerous as fuck and full of garbage.

>>136709438
Play more fighting games or something.

>>136709997
I already do, but that's also the only other genre which is still acceptable. Not as good as shmups though.

Is there any way a shmup with randomized stage layouts would work? I like casually credit feeding random shmups I've either never played or barely touched so I'm always sightreading and facing different stuff, so if it was done well I feel like a game designed like that could be fun here and there.

Are there indie/doujin shooters out there that work like that?

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>>136709438
Shmups are still pure and can't be taken over by casuals because of the arcade mindset!

>>136712206
The only one I'm familar with is Len'en 4 which is random to an extent, but it's a demo so far so it's not worth it. I'd love to know if there's more of them though.

>>136712206
The closes I can think of are Psikyo shmups, but that isn't a random stage layout so much as randomly choosing between a pool of stages for which comes first, second and so on.

>>136699896
This needs to be included if DFK ends up being the next release.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VcQ5wwGyzw

>>136693908
"Ultra's beauty and ability to please a man far outshines any woman, but she is a bitch. She is a very sadistic bitch who desires for anyone who meets her to suffer in the worst way possible. And that is why I love her." - Gus

>>136712706
Can Gus be the general's mascot? I think he's a good fit.

>>136712590
God, I fucking hope not. DFK is basically every possible bad thing about shmups compressed into one package

>>136712258
It's not just that. Pinball games are also still pure but they don't have the gameplay, aesthetics and music shmups have. Shmups are just real. Every other genre looks boring compared to it.

>>136712590
>ketsui options and score medals
what

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>>136713290
I think I know the answer! It's because Japanese arcade players and developers evolved the genre, same with fighting games and rhythm games. Gameplay has always been the number 1 priority for them but that doesn't mean that other non-play features can't be polished to perfection. What you get in the end is a beautiful full package which just feels amazing to play.

>>136713406
DFK BL Arrange is basically Ketsui. It has re-arranged Ketsui music, the stages and bosses are kinda like DFK and Ketsui smashed together, and the shot types have the Ketsui homing.

>>136713939
Thanks for the new wallpaper

Where do I buy sexy japanese figurines of space ships

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>>136718516
I don't know about space ships, but for a while you could get a space fish from Taito

>>136712206
Haven't played it but Steredenn's like that.

>>136712206
Fraxy & Warning Forever if I remember it.

>>136718748
>non scaled
1:1 scale when

>>136713013
No. gus is too good for this shitty thread.

>>136709438
Run & Gun shooters are better. Shmups were ruined by danmaku and the doujin/Touhou scene.

>>136709438
>tfw railshooters are dead as fuck

>>136722628
Run & gun games lack the depth shmups have. They have barely any scoring in them and once you beat them that's basically it. Plus the controls and gameplay are just clunky and boring.

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>>136723426
>They have barely any scoring in them
There's more to game design than watching a counter increment, autist.

>Plus the controls and gameplay are just clunky and boring.
Nice shit opinion you have, fampie.

>>136722459
I don't see you making it better, anon.

>>136722628
>>>/vr/3087514

>>136723764
>There's more to game design than watching a counter increment, autist.
In other words you are fucking casual who never played a game for score, since you probably can't even finish them. One of the good things about shmups is that they are about self improvement. It's like playing sports or learning an instrument, and not just silly entertainment crap for dumbfucks like you.

>Nice shit opinion you have, fampie.
It's not an opinon, it's a fact that your movement is very limited in run & gun games compared to shmups. You are just walking around on a 2d plane the whole time, sometimes crouching or jumping, instead of having a gameplay where you have to move around the whole screen the whole time.

>>136725196
Not him but I'd say the limited mobility adds to the challenge. If you could move around the whole screen at will it would be much easier.

>>136725196
alien soldier has some nice movement tho
i wonder if theres any run n guns that have implemented a rank system or something, that could probably give them some more depth

>>136725483
No, the limited mobility makes the genre just boring. The enemy patterns get basic as fuck because of this, much in contrary to shmups where the threats can get much more complex due the fact that you also have more mobility.

>>136725592
I love Alien Soldier like the next guy, but these games simply can't compare to shmups. Shmups have wayyy more replayability, except you want to do speedruns perhaps, but speedruns are just garbage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Mk2cn7fn5E
I had no idea you could power down without dying.

>>136727881
Why would you want to power down though? Some kind of rank system?

>>136728731
I don't think Strikers '45 has a rank system beyond increasing difficulty as you go, I think it was just an accidental thing. I just never would have thought it was actually a feature of the game.

>>136727881
I'm surprised you've never figured this out by accident if you've played the game for more than a few runs

>>136727881
How is the scoring in this game consistent when you play the first few stages in a random order and each of them is different based on what order they come in?

My microscopic frustration tolerance cannot fucking handle the scoring in DDP games

>>136729081
I didn't play the game very seriously, and thus never ran into any enemies but only their bullets.

>>136729407
Near as I can tell it's based on not dying so you can get bombs/power up items when you already have max, and picking up the gold bars when they flash so you get the max value, with a small pittance coming from actually killing things. If that's the case there's probably an optimal route but it won't change much unless you're at the level where the few hundred difference actually means something.

>>136727881
Such solid gameplay and artstyle. Sad that the music is so boring.

>>136723764
At least post a game where you actually do some running and gunning for more than a couple of seconds

>>136729919
Play a memorizer and come back.

>>136733073
DDP scoring is pretty memo, ファム

>>136733073
>Play a memorizer
like DDP?
>fuck up your exact memorized route by a few frames
>entire fucking run is shot

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>expected to break my PB by a long shot
>only a 200m difference
At least it's something.
Regardless, are entries 1 and 4 here glitched?

>>136736731
Either glitched or hacked.

>>136736731
Steam leaderbords are all kinds of fucked, I've seen vanilla original scores on there that are completely impossible

>>136735020
>>136735394
In DDP a single fuck up doesn't end your entire run unless you choose to reset.

>>136739342
One fuck up screws up your score potential and your run set up more than other shmups, especially in DOJ where hyper routes are a big part of your plan and score potential. Unless you're also playing for survival on the side which is unlikely if you're playing seriously for score, there's no reason to keep playing when you screw up.

>>136740219
>Unless you're also playing for survival
See this is my point, a memorizer necessitates memorization for survival play, where DDP requires it for scoring; it's entirely feasible to play DDP for a simple 1-all without memorizing anything.

what shot type would y'all recommend for a scrub trying to survive mushihimesama original? i'm doing better at identifying my mistakes and maintaining focus, just trying to maximize my chances of success here.

>>136740528
S power's high speed makes dodging the fast bullets easier

>>136740528
Depending on play style, S or W. S is pretty good for original, since you do the same amount of damage regardless of where you are on the screen and you can move quickly. W you can hit most or all of the screen starting from late stage 2 onward, and you can do more precise dodges. M is not great for 1.0, but apparently it's buffed for 1.5.

>>136740605
>>136740710
much appreciated! back to work then.

>>136740392
>it's entirely feasible to play DDP for a simple 1-all without memorizing anything
Show me a single person who did this, beating DDP on his first tries.
You can beat Crimzon Clover on novice without memorizing something, but DDP is way too difficult for this.

new to shumps any suggestions where to start ?

>>136742221
Depends what you want. Bullet hell or traditional?
Vertical or horizontal?

>>136742221
I usually try to do a write-up for this question, but this time I'm just gonna link a post I made earlier.

>>136671373

>>136742221
Just give Gaben your money and play whatever you like.

>>136742419
whats the difference between bullet hell or traditional and horizontal

>>136742710
Bullet hell has lot so bullets, traditional less. And horizontal means the game is scrolling horizontally instead of vertically.

>>136742710
Horizontal shmups are more likely to have environmental hazards, such as walls or ceilings that you have to avoid, in addition to enemies.
Most bullet hells are vertical, although some horizontal ones exist.

Traditional shmups have fewer bullets and a large hitbox that more or less corresponds to the ship sprite. Bullet hells give you a much smaller hitbox that may only be a small point on the ship, but increase the bullet count to compensate.

>>136742605
>suggesting people use DRM malware like Steam
How about fuck off.

>>136742221
http://www.theisozone.com/downloads/pc/windows-games/touhou-07--perfect-cherry-blossom-english-patched/

>>136743335
>How about fuck off.
It's the only current platform for shmups atm. Back to the farm.

>>136743335
MathU pls go

>>136742710
>Traditional
Relatively few (think ~40-50), fast bullets. Roughly ship-sized hitboxes. Tend to be from early 90's or earlier.

>Bullet hell
Many bullets (100+ for 90's, several hundred or potentially low thousands for modern). Smaller hitboxes to make such games even possible to play.

>Vertical versus horizontal
Technically it's just they way they scroll, but verticals tend to be more about enemy placement and bullet patterns, whereas horizontals are generally about a combination of enemy placement and environmental hazards.

>>136743663
okay so any good traditional horizontal games with boss battles ?

>>136744259
Gradius, R-Type and Darius are the big three.

>>136744259
There's always the classics in the Gradius, R Type and Darius series. In particular I heavily recommend Darius Gaiden, since it gives you many paths to choose from, keeping the game feeling fresh even after spending a long time with it.

Since you're starting out I feel I should point out that you WILL be spending a long time with one game before you can clear it. I started out with a relative easy series (Touhou on normal difficulty) and it still took me several weeks of playing before I could clear with no continues. If you're just looking for something to chill, though, don't worry about it and just have fun. Be sure to post your progress!

I guess I did a write-up anyway.

>>136744351
>>136744487
Thanks! ill check em out

Do I seriously have to sit here and wait like 5 fucking minutes for the raiden fighters games to boot up
After I sit through this on turbo the first time I can just make a save state, right

>>136744979
I don't remember the start up for Raiden Fighters games being that long, are you not mashing through the text?

>>136743335
>Telling other to fuck off
>Suggesting silly billy shumps instead
Wew

>>136728927
>I don't think Strikers '45 has a rank system beyond increasing difficulty as you go, I think it was just an accidental thing. I just never would have thought it was actually a feature of the game.

It has a very visible rank system but the technique of purposely powering down in the second loop is a really bad idea as you tend to always benefit more from having power. Strikers 1945 2 players use the power down strat a lot more probably because the suicide bullets aren't the horribly evil randomized butt fuckers that 45s are.

>>136723426
>Run & gun games lack the depth shmups have.
True on the whole maybe but not entirely i mean have you watched a metal slug scoring run? It's a total sperg fest even for shmup standards.

>>136712590
I wish ketsui had that visible hitbox.

>>136744979
It only does it on the first ever boot up. If it's happening everytime then something is wrong with your mame, it should make a file in the nvram folder infact im sure you can download them somewhere to skip the boot up altogether.

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Oh baby

>>136749076
Oh. Sorry, I'm retarded.

>>136751580
What ship do you main btw?

>>136754332
Space Moth DX.webm

>>136754332
GUS HAVE YOU CALLED ABOUT YOUR TUTORING!!.

>>136754867
SHOOT WHAT?

>>136754917
*christian bale batman voice* "il do it later."

I have a few noob questions if anybody wouldn't mind helping

Whats the difference between Normal and "Arrange"?
Why does Mushihimesama have four attack buttons?
Whereabouts on the screen should I focus when playing?

>>136755861
>Whats the difference between Normal and "Arrange"?

Normal is the original arcade game. Arrange is a console exclusive version based on Maniac Mode from the arcade game with some differences.

>Why does Mushihimesama have four attack buttons?

There are 5 buttons in the port (6 for arrange).

Shot (holding it down concentrates your fire and makes you move slower, tapping it allows you to move at normal speed while firing)

Bomb (clears all bullets onscreen and deals damage within a limited range)

Full Auto (same effect as tapping Shot)

Rapid Shot (same effect as full auto but external to the original arcade controls. There's a bug in the game where holding full auto while rapidly tapping shot causes you to do more damage. Holding Full Auto and Rapid Shot achieves the same effect without having to manually tap)

Rapid Full Auto (rapid taps the full auto button. This causes your lasers to be inactive while your main shot fires. Its use is mainly limited to advanced scoring tricks)

The extra button in Arrange mode allows you to cycle between the 3 different shot types in the game.

>Whereabouts on the screen should I focus when playing?

Two main factors play into your ideal range of vision. Bullet speed and bullet density.
As a general rule of thumb, the faster the bullets, the wider your range of vision should be so you can anticipate incoming threats.
At high bullet densities you should focus closer to your ship in order to make the small, precise movements required. The nighmare scenario is very fast, very dense bullets that require you to do both at the same time.

>>136757272
So is Arrange harder or easier than Normal?

Also, is there basically any reason to not use Rapid Shot/Rapid Full Auto? Seems like I should just hold down RB and focus on dodging.

>>136759306
High Scores are separated by arcade and most other communities into autofire on and autofire off. The Maniac mode auto world record is about twice as high as the non-auto record.

Arrange is easier than Normal Maniac and Normal Ultra

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Cute'em up on mikado stream

>>136759736
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mikado-00
Game Tengoku. I remember this game, despite its looks the game really fucking ridiculous.

>>136759730
Oh, I see! Thanks for clearing it up for me!

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>>136762831
why don't you play abnormal palm senpai
he's way better for ultra

>>136749171
>have you watched a metal slug scoring run?
Yes, it's boring and simple as fuck. Scoring in Battle Garegga is hundret times more complicated.

>>136769934
>Yes, it's boring and simple as fuck.
That's your opinion though which is fine but doesn't take away from the fact it is an example of a run n gun having depth which you original falsely claimed they don't

>>136770681
Metal Slug Scoring just consists of completely boring knifing the whole time, which is simple as fuck, since all you have to do is spamming the knife on the edge of the screen while dodging an attack every 3 minutes. No wonder people rather do speedruns than scoring runs in these games.

what if the next game is muchi muchi pork

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>>136771197

>>136772217
ikuo da bes

>>136767345
Everyone and their mother plays Abnormal Palm.

I'm really feeling it with these mantises though.

BUILD UP!

I hope you're all practicing.
Bump.

>>136781009
im learning muchi muchi pork instead of practicing the game i already know

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>>136781009
Reporting in from DOJ practice, sir!

>>136781009
I was sleeping. Might practice now, though.

>>136771062
Jesus not only are you a sperg with no off button you also can't actually read apparently.

>>136781009
But my ass hurts...

>>136772217
>armpit windows
Jesus

i wish they'd port radiant silvergun to steam

didn't ikaruga make a good amount of money?

>>136781009
Still stuck at the 2-2 boss in Final Boss senpai, also dying to tons of dumb shit all over the run.

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>>136781009
I'm trying to get better at boost mode and not playing clicker games. I swear on me mum.

>>136781157
Practice is practice! Keep it up!

>>136781268
>>136789573
Good work!

>>136782230
>>136782923
No excuses! Back into the rain you go!

>>136792014
>tfw senpai doesnt notice you

>>136787942
I actually thought it did...

>>136788730
>>136792357
S-sorry, I missed you, but don't worry! Just keep practicing!

>>136787942
Pretty good, yeah. http://steamspy.com/app/253750

DariusBurst CS is $25 over on gmg

>>136793454
>tfw no cash atm.
I really have the worst timing to be poor.

>>136793454
Gonna bump this again because holy shit. If you've been waiting for DBCS to be reasonably priced, it's finally half off.

>>136797720
did you make that yourself?

>>136798016
The "google" button next to his post will answer that question.

>>136798205
could have been shared privately

>>136797720
sounds like kusoplay's tryhard-wannabes

>>136793454
Can I link it to my steam account?

>>136799489
GMG sells you a key that you use in Steam.

>>136787942
They used the Ikaruga money to work on Gaist Crusher which flopped royally so now they have neither any employees nor any revenue.

I feel like writing an apology letter to both Reco and Kiniro after clearing Maniac Mode in Mushihimesama Futari. You guys see the shit they have to dodge. Those two must be traumatized after two games of dodging purple!!

How do you do the special attacks in Striker 1945? Is my rom not working correctly or why can't I do them?

>>136802107
Hold the fire button down until your options move and you hear a sound.

>>136802197
I see, turns out I had auto fire on the whole time.