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Exhibitionism edition

Discussion about the making or playing of English Language Visual Novels.

Do you have a question about a Japanese visual novel or a translation of it?
/vn/ is ready to answer it.
Want to talk about Katawa Shoujo or similar evns? /ksg/ is the place for you.

>Getting Started:
http://pastebin.com/7LsCvtq3 (embed)

>Recommended Reading:
https://vndb.org/v/all?q=;fil=olang-en.tagspoil-0;o=d;s=rating

For Developers. Huge collection of guides on everything:
http://meganelover.com/post/122965940223/visual-novel-creation-masterlist

Ren'Py Download:
http://www.renpy.org/

Previous Thread >>136258393
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Dead at 138 lol. Third-world anon reporting for Good Friday bumping.
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Sorry about that, I was watching a Chinese imperial harem drama.
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Even yuri can't save /evn/.
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>>136374297
based WC
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I missed you guys.
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What's the best way to show the MC?
Half body behind textbox
Small face/shoulders inside textbox
Small Body in front of text box
Or something else?
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>>136376525
I prefer either none or a normal sprite like the other characters.
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>>136376525
there is no best way so do what you like.
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>>136374297
Winged Cloud is saving yuri.
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>>136378621
It's probably just a dream sequence
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>>136381659
What's the point of making a game with 20+ year olds if they all look thirteen?
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>>136381879
Makes people feel better about their natural pedo desires.
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>>136381879
on the plus side you can get past the Steam Pedo Gatekeepers.
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>>136381879
All Characters Are At Least 18 Years Of Age
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>Welcome to Romantic Retirement
>All characters are at least 80 years old.
>All text enlarged to %300 of normal size,
>for your easy reading pleasure.

Also bmpu.
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>>136385615
>Romantic Retirement

retirement homes are basically real-life eroge.
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>>136385615
That's p. cute tbqh.
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>>136386078
Hell yeah, pops is getting it busy. He isn't controlled by his benis since it doesn't function like it used to, so he's all about the romance.

>Coming Winter 2017
>Please remember to take your meds, and we'll see you then!
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>>136386078
Oh man, too bad the MC probably has no energy to do so many characters.
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>>136386078
retirement homes are real-life yuri eroge, all the men die off first

although I suppose you could be the last man standing, trying to score before your heart gives out
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>>136388820
>witty, ambitious woman with a sharp wit
Maybe if they say it enough, it'll be true.
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Since the thread seems to keep dying without any drama around, let me make some. I did an edit to Tao's recent character design, but probably not the one most people were expecting. Her lips are fine, but I prefer girls with a clearer skin tone, so I erased her freckles. Opinions?
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>>136390101
I still think those lips make it feel like her face is melting
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>>136390101
The freckles were cute.
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>>136369882
and what game is this pic from ?
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>>136390518
I thought they made her look too young for her age (assuming she's around college age like Nadia) and that they detracted from her eyepatch.
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>>136390663
The eyepatch already blends in with the hair, the eye color is the first thing I noticed, with or without freckles.
I think the freckles are just a matter of preference like you said.
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>>136390101
Looked much better with freckles imo. This is why I don't ask 4chan for help with character designs. Everyone has an ideal design for each and every character.

I remember in old /ic/ people used to constantly get critiques of their artwork. Should change this, change that, I don't like this, this is too short, etc, etc. Eventually you'd end up with a husk of a character that has no appeal. Like some kind of Frankenstein born out of everyone's separate ideologies of exactly what a character should be.

PS bump
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>>136390101
let it go
let it gooooo~
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>>136391127
My eyes kept being drawn to them instead of her eyepatch, but that might be because I'm sensitive to imperfections on the skin.

The trope youthful freckles also came to mind and combined with her petite stature, made me think she was a young teen(16 years old max). Considering the ages of the rest of the cast though, I'm assuming she's in her early twenties.
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>>136391613
Weirdo spotted.
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>>136391551
I'm not the same person. I just don't want the thread to die again. You come up with a better way to keep the thread going.
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>>136391707
That's my line.

bump
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>>136391765
Keeping a thread alive with drama or shit posting is the worst idea. Let them die, or simply bump with empty posts before resorting to such things.
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Is Solstice any good?

There's also a new free evn http://store.steampowered.com/app/445230/
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>>136392017
this.
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>>136391613
She's supposed to look like a loli, dummy. Looking young is the whole point.
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>>136392689
He should've given her a lolipop.
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>>136392521
>cute art
>free to play

Nice.
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>>136392521
Count the number of things wrong with this screenshot.
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>>136392689
Trigger warning click below at your own risk.
What kind of loli has slut lips?
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What nanoreno releases are you looking forward to?
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>>136393134
Exactly. That's why they look bad. She has a loli's body with a slutty older woman's face.
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>>136393224
None of them
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>>136392521
>Someone shitposting as nano in the reviews
This is a sad day.
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>>136393287
You forgot your trigger warning.
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>>136391551
are you the one writing a frozen VN?
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>>136393134
>>136393287
but girls have lips. There are many animus with lips. Reminds me of Saya from blood+.
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Disney ships the Frozen sisters. I saw a t-shirt at my local Walmart that had them holding hands and gazing at each others eyes romantically.
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>>136393557
I never really saw Saya as petite though. She always looked mature to me too.
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Have you played the King of EVNs yet?
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>>136393130
Everything looks perfect to me.
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>>136393941
True. Maybe the artist is French? French artists love adding lips to their art. They make it look pretty good too.
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>>136394106
>Made in Ren'Py
I bet that's something PyTom is proud of.
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>>136394221
If you mean the above sprite, then I'm pretty sure he's from the US.
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>>136390101
Legs are still fucked
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>>136390530
A shitty one
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>>136394221
What do you think of this other one he drew?
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>>136393525
no but im writing a yuri incest vn.
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>>136394518
>That voluptuous body
>Those Africa starving tier thighs

No. This is a crime.
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>>136394518
An abomination sent from the depths of hell.
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>>136394337
Why wouldn't he be proud knowing that the greatest EVN to date was made with his help?
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>>136394807
Why are all characters either too fat or not fat enough?
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>>136395023
Jokes aside, it is very well presented. Production quality in face.
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>>136369882
Spoonfeed me OP
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>>136395076
I like almost any size of character, but they really should be consistent throughout if it's a single character. Stick legs supporting a Greek Goddess upper body does not computer.
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>>136395119
I wasn't joking.
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I want to lick her flat chest.
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>>136395231
>her
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>>136395227
But it's not real, so what does realism matter? It's anime style, so it especially doesn't matter.
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>>136395357
It matters when it looks bad.
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>>136395338
Are you one of the plebs who thought she was a dude?

I wasn't sure at first myself, I was 50/50 on whether she was female or not. I'm bisexual, so she was hot either way it turned out.
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>>136394807
I think he wanted to give her a thigh gap but you can't have your cake and eat it too. Either make a fatty or make somebody who can actually have a thigh gap.

>>136395357
I bet anything you'd say a loli with Z-cups looked weird. It's about proportions, not realism. Having a thick character with tiny chicken legs just looks odd.
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>>136395357
>It's anime style, so it especially doesn't matter.
Lots of stuff on deviantart is anime style too, doesn't mean it can't look bad, wrong, or off. Anime style art is still art. It doesn't get a special pass just because it's animu style. Anyway, it's personal preference. You asked me why and I answered, but now you sound like you're trying to change my mind on the matter? You startin somethin bro?
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>>136395468
But it's all a matter of opinion, so nothing can objectively look bad!

>>136395573
>I bet anything you'd say a loli with Z-cups looked weird.
Imouto Paradise vn looks just fine to me.
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>>136395619
It's all a matter of opinion, so anything can look bad to me and I can bitch about it.
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>>136395619
Literally none of the characters in Imopara fit that description.
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>>136396102
Nobody has a Z-cup in anything, that's not a thing
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>>136397362
>102zzz
>Triple Z
Oh but it is, friend. Watch at your own peril.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h-vTuFKNf4
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>>136397362
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I offer to you, one final bump, before I go into the night.
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How to /evn/ Easter?
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>>136369882
Google gave nothing, what game is this?
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>>136385615
>%300 larger text
that doesn't sound bad desu
especially for EVN with awful color choices for textbox and font
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>>136393130
I like the toggle-able quick menu button desu
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How 2 choose colors?
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>>136403118
steal palette from something else?
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>>136403914
That's not good, anon.
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>>136404349
it's alright for beginners. learning values is far more important than color.
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But I don't want to receive the scorn of an increasingly Leftist LSF...
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>>136404651
You really shouldn't care about LSF.
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>>136404651
I'm not sure that means what you think it means.
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>tfw you don't really like how one of the routes is turning out, but afraid to say anything in case the writer bolts
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>>136406156
Do you really think they would quit because someone voiced some concerns?
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>>136406483
Who knows, some people are touchy as fuck.
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>>136393557

Or Chimera Ant Kite who was a loli with lips/
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even gentler, sleepier bump
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It's not like I want you to live or anything
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What is the point of kinetic novels? I really don't understand. Why not just read/write a book? You'd get a lot more assurance of it being actually worth your time.
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>>136413452
I guess people just prefer the medium and want to present their story with art and music.

That said, I personally agree with you that it seems kind of pointless. Lack of user interactivity is a big minus in my book. And that's why I got bored with Grisaia after it failed to give me a single decision for at least four hours of reading.
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>>136413452
Why does there need to be a point? It's just another form of storytelling.

A book and a KN should not be compared to each other. They are entirely different mediums, the reading experience, the writing style, everything is vastly different. It may not be for everyone, and some developers may not show it for all its strengths, but the KN medium has the potential to provide a very powerful work and should not be discounted just because it lacks choices.
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>>136413452
Why even read comic books or watch movies? Just read books
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>>136413452
What is the point of fiction? Just live real life.
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P10LEB
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>>136397582
Make it stop.
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>>136407709
Wait until they're finished with the rest of it and then say something about it.
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>>136413756
Even though people think that vns should be full of choices, the fact is that many of them aren't. I've played many 25-30 hour games that either had few and far between choices, or seemingly pointless choices that didn't really effect much.

Kinetic novels are no exception. You can have transitions, animations, and changes in poses and expressions just like any other vn. The story and characters become much more important in that type of vn.
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>>136369882
Source please!
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>>136419202
My Little Sister Invited Me To Hot Springs And Now Her Crush Is Touching My Penis?!!
coming (heh heh) in 2017
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Confess /evn/.
How many of you are currently using highly-saturated hair dye.
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>>136420909
My hair is buzzed so no.
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>>136420909
I'm just making gaems
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>>136420909
>not embracing your natural beauty/hideousness
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>>136420909
I'm a failed human, I have no need for hair dye.
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>>136418748
Yeah, I'm aware. I personally prefer otherwise, but a good VN can definitely be written with minimal user input.
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>>136420909
I hate hair dye with a burning passion.
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>>136422457
What did it ever do to you?
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>>136422680
Frizz. And crazy exes.
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>>136369882
could someone please give us the name to the vn in op's picture? It's a fetish thing I'm chasing I don't care if it's good or bad.
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>>136420909
I am natural
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>>136422951
What exactly is making you interested about it?
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>>136423176
the art looks great and having women demand I masturbate in front of them turns me on
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>>136422951
I don't feel like looking through all of their stuff to get the title, but the art looks like something from an artist whose Patreon was posted in the last thread:

https://www.patreon.com/marblesyrup?ty=h

Have fun?
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>>136423675
instantly found it on that link, thanks bro
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>>136423834
No prob. Go crazy, you perve.
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>>136423047
lewd
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>>136420909
No, hypersaturated hair dye is for Tumblr users
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>>136420909
it looks like shit unless you have flawless skin and wear heavy makeup and what kind of dev has time for this
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>>136420909
I want to dye my hair green and do photosynthesis.
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>>136420909
I should so people stop calling me grandpa.
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p10lqb
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>>136420909
I would except my hair is too dark to take on dye without bleaching it first and that's too much effort
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>>136435706
[x] punch in the boob
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>>136436294
>put it in
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>>136435706
You can't be funny and smart. That's against the rules.
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>>136437929
Well then they better lock you up, anon. Because you're both to me ;)
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>>136437929
You can if you're a huge piece of human garbage in any other aspect, like me.
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Tfw Black Sands becomes vn of the year.
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>>136440338
But anon, surely the brilliance of Highway Blossoms, which should only be experienced in its whole purity, will outshine all else?
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>>136440338

but it's not a VN, it's a (insert pretentious word that means basically the same).
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>>136440338
game looks nice but they need to fix the performance issues. and the dev needs to shut up forever.
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Tao's doing a series of posts about Let'sPlays and vn sales on Twitter. Do the plays really not see a spike in sales?
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>>136444924
They do if you're actually somebody. Has an EVN ever been played by an actual "A-list" e-celeb rather than the hundreds of D-listers?
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>>136444924
They absolutely do, IF it's played by someone who has a sufficiently high viewer count and IF the game looks like fun / tempts the watcher to try it themselves.

Getting TotalBiscuit to play your game is worth a ton of money. Dodger is worth money. Some random with 1000 followers isn't noticeable.
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>>136440338
>$5k PC
>Can't run nigger "VN"
Yeah, nah.
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>>136446431

Toko was played by Dodger and Tao's saying sales didn't even bump. Those videos have tons of likes and views and positive feedback. I think getting TB or Dodger to play your game earning you sales is only true for non-linear games.
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>>136444924
>Do the plays really not see a spike in sales?

he's saying if you have a super linear KN that can be played in a little over one hour it will kill sales.

which is arguably another problem in itself.
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>>136446431
>IF the game looks like fun / tempts the watcher to try it themselves

Let me repeat that for emphasis. You want people to see an LP and feel interested but unsatisfied, so they go and play the game themselves.

If a game is SHORT, and has NO CHOICES, why would the watchers go and buy it? They've just been given the whole thing on a platter.

If a game is LONG, then only cheapskates are going to watch the whole thing in an LP (which might never finish). Many players, if they're interested, will drop the LP and go to play the game themselves. If they're not interested enough to buy at all, or can't afford it, they'll just stick with the LP.

If a game has CHOICES, then you watch the LPer and you think "I wouldn't do that, I would do this instead" and that motivates you to go get the game yourself.
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>>136446746
Toko is like an hour long.
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Help, I need a good idea for an interactive sexy VN. I had one, but I decided I didn't like it because it's too hard to implement reasonably.
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Well, from personal experience, if I watch a game on a letsplay I have no incentive to play the game. That's how I view most games now. Watching other people play them. For something like a visual novel, I can't really see it being that good of a thing to have someone play your game in it's entirety. TB is a different story though, since he would just review it (he doesn't review VNs btw).
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>>136447035

That's an exaggeration, if you look at the reviews to see average play length, it's closer to 2-3 hours depending on your reading speed. Dodger did multiple videos of it all with high view counts and that should have increased sales but he claims it didn't.
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>>136447213
Orgasm Girl 2016 edition
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> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/monstrous-lovers-a-boy-s-love-visual-novel#/
>11k

good luck but whew. hope you have your shill game on.
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>>136447578
Anything more VN like?
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>>136448326
Orgasm Girl 2016 Edition: Story Expansion
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>>136448045
You might want to clarify the voice acting will be in Spanish.
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>>136448045
Yeah, that's what I'll be doing this whole month.

>>136448842
I knew I was forgetting something. I just added it.
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>>136448503
I don't know about this anon.
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>>136448045
"Rotwang" still sounds like a venereal disease (yeah I know that's what the guy in the movie was called)
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>>136450250

Well, a lot of German in general sounds like venereal diseases.
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I have no motivation. I'm out of ideas. I hate it when this happens.
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>>136452663
Spend a year or two totally depressed and then suddenly get inspired.
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>>136447548
I played it in under an hour.
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>>136453013
space bar masher detected

SLOW DOWN SPACE MASHER
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>>136452919
I just spent about 10 years being depressed, I don't think any inspiration is coming from that.
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>>136453208
Hmm then I'm out of ideas. Perhaps its time to change something.
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>>136447548
Review length is inflated by needing to idle for trading cards, anon.
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>>136453079
If I were doing that it would have been under 10 minutes.

Look at the playtime of people doing LPs with intro and outro and reading every single line aloud and pausing to make jokes. If it's only taking THEM 2-3 hours, it's a lot faster for people just reading the thing.

Unless you only read at a mumbling-everything-under-your-breath speed.
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>>136448045
>indiegogo
>fixed funding
but why
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>>136453520
also don't forget when they pause at the wacky CG scenes and take 10 minutes panning over it and making stupid faces.

I'm talking about LP'ers I've seen play other VNs mostly though, since I haven't seen/read The Demon Reject. Assuming it's the same.
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>>136453752
Removed the fixed funding part and I would have the same question. I thought Kickstarter would have the widest reach and be the easiest to hit such a large goal. Is Kickstarter not available for some countries?
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>>136453752

Kickstarter works through bank transfers, Indiegogo with paypal. Ignoring the fact that I would be taxed on the spot for the amount (and that the process to open a US account became too expensive recently), if the currency exchange rate were to fluctuate drastically like it has been in the past months I'd risk losing as much as 20% of the money when I had to pay people.

This wouldn't be a problem if we made a lot of $$ over the goal, but if we only got the 11k then we'd be short.

>>136454064
No, it's not.
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>>136454064
>Kickstarter not available for some countries?
no for a variety of reasons from being banned to needing a recognized bank account.

imo ML campaign should have set the VA as a stretch goal.
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>>136454819
>imo ML campaign should have set the VA as a stretch goal.

I have my heart set on VAs, but if it all goes south chances are that's what I'll do.
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>>136453910
or fanning themselves like fainting flowers at the slightest hint of boobies
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So, for numerous reasons, I decided to go for a separate CG artist from the main sprite artist I have for my monster girl game.

Obviously their style wasn't going to be able to 100% match the sprites, but I feel like they've done a really good job so far. Maybe the faces look a little different, but I'm hoping it won't be too jarring for people when it swaps between the two.

Spoilered just to be safe, though isn't really that NSFW.
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>>136456776
whatever brings in the big bucks. Lost Pause has built himself an empire on making stupid faces at breasts
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>>136456805
what do the sprites look like?
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>>136456805

As long as it's not Wild Catgirl Appears! tier I think people will be fine.
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>>136457128
I put the sprite of the mummy on the right of the CG for comparison
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>>136456805
>Mummy
>Not embalmed
Wry?
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>>136457503
If it's that similar you're worrying about nothing at all.
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>>136457734
I like my mummies full of life. And hometown.
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>>136455045
One of my followers points out that 'incorrigible' is misspelled in Vincent's character promo.
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>>136456805
That's quite close, few people will notice at all if it's mostly like that.

Honestly sometimes even the same artist has more jump between sprite and CG than that appears to be.
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I am bored. writers, describe to me your character and i will draw the one with the most interesting design tomorrow.
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>>136457884
>>136459141

Thanks, guys. That puts some of my worries to rest.

Going to have a demo out in the next couple of weeks or so, featuring two lewd scenes. That should hopefully be enough to generate interest for the full version.
Or I find out my lewd writing abilities are crap and everyone laughs at me. ;_;
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>>136459867
Slime and mummy?
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>>136459867
I'm just amazed that I'm not the only one in here working on a monster girl type VN. You seem to be a lot further along than me though. I'll look forward to the demo then.
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>>136458997
ha, figures that I have read the blurbs so many times my brain just kind of skips over the words. I'll got fix it, thanks!
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>>136460432
Yup! The ending of the demo will tease a third character (out of 5, each having two scenes each), but there's no actual scene with her included.

>>136460769
I was kind of surprised to find out there were so few monster girl EVNs when I started mine. We gotta stick together, man. Looking forward to seeing your project, too.

This project pretty much is just smut for smut's sake, though. I'm not pretending to be making some kind of big, deep story out of it. Somehow I get the feeling most people buying it would be okay with that, so long as there's at least some semblance of a plot to link together the lewds.
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>>136420909
It's pastel now because I haven't touched it up in a while.
I like lavender tho so it's fine.
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>>136458997
>>136461442

I just realized it's spelled wrongly because I wrote it in spanish.

jfc.
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>>136460769
>I'm just amazed that I'm not the only one in here working on a monster girl type VN.
There's at least three of us here.
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>>136461815
Awesome. I can't wait to show it off, but it will probably be a while since I'm slow and working alone. I was also surprised how few there are. We'll just have to change that I guess. Where are you planning on selling yours, if you don't mind me asking?
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>>136463258
Any progress pictures or blogs I can follow? I'm a huge fan of monster girls.
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>>136463653
>Where are you planning on selling yours, if you don't mind me asking?

coming soon, monster girl bundle.
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>>136463653
Haven't reached out to anyone yet since I was waiting until I had more to show for it.

I'm thinking Mangagamer, DLsite, and I think somebody here suggested denpasoft, too. I'll have to get in touch with each one and see what happens.
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>>136464183
It's too bad there's no r-18 on steam.
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>>136445237
Lost Pause seems to have the highest view count in evn.
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>>136464675
It does suck. I know most people are getting around that these days by selling the all-ages version of their game and then offering an uncensoring patch off-site, but I don't think I could get away with that, considering my VN would be missing the majority of its content in an 'all-ages' version.

Unless I invested in non-lewd CGs and rewrote the scenes. But that would be too much time and money for something I probably wouldn't even earn back. Plus, who wants non-lewd monster girls? What's the point
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>>136465250
>who wants non-lewd monster girls? What's the point
Not everything's got to be porn.
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>>136446919
I think being super long is what possibly made people buy Princess Evangile after watching its videos.
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>>136447035
It took me 2 hours. And after that I had to idle for cards.
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>>136463852
I've got a tumblr, but it's half progress, half shitposting.

I might link the demo when I'm done with it, though.
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>>136453356
The game didn't get cards until months after it released. Most of the reviews are before then.
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>>136466104
Doesn't the playtime still update after the review?
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>>136465792
What's the point of having a tumblr if you're not going to whore it out everywhere?
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>>136467092
I thought it was a snapshot of when the review was posted, if so, then the time wouldn't update.
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>>136465483
Everything must be porn.
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>>136467590
Every profile I've checked on other games the review-stated playtime matches their total playtime. It's possible that not one of them have ever played a game after reviewing it, but seems less likely.
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>>136446552
>5k PC
Why
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>>136469151
Probably bought a prebuilt "gaming PC"
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>>136459623
A lewd little girl with tan skin and slicked back hair.
Do I win by default?
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>>136465483
Said nobody ever.
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>>136470449
Said me, who loves porn.
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>$1600 to get 40,000 words from someone competent

guess i will be writing.
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>>136459623
Atrocious art.
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>>136475413
Are you that anti-lip anon? Just curious.
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>>136475413
That's far from atrocious art bro. It's just in a style you don't like.
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>>136476486
>there couldn't possibly be more than one person who thought the new sprite looked bad
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>>136476763
I realize that. I'm just genuinely curious. There aren't many trolls around here so the dickwads and abrasive posters really stand out I noticed.
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How much money do I need to throw at an artist so they could do dis? http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=651346103
How do I explain that I'm not dreaming about the scope?
How do I stop them from complaining about the aesthetic I want -- Should I throw even more money?
Will money be really enough?
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>>136478046
If you have to ask, you can't afford it.
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>>136478046
The question isn't whether money would be enough, it's whether you have enough.
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>>136478046
You do realize that's made by an actual studio in Japan right? A studio with multiple professionals with plenty of experience. Most likely more than one artist, etc. I'm not saying you can't buy that kind of talent to help you out, but I hope you have some major cash. I'm not talking about hiring someone off deviantart for a couple hundred either.
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Tried the Pale Spectrum demo: are you supposed to have played Brilliant Shadows to get it? It was full of short segments of story with characters that I assume were featured in another story and I simply didn't understand what this is going to be about, it didn't seem to have a hook.
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>>136483704
>Pale Spectrum is the sequel to Brilliant Shadows
gee anon I don't know
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>>136484632
It's limiting your audience if it makes no sense without the original, though. Throwing newbies a bone is not a bad plan.
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>>136484845
Or you could just go check out the original game instead of wondering why the immediate sequel doesn't make any sense.
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>>136484845
>>136483704
really ?
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>>136459623

23 year old girl
short, black hair with a bang
is very curious, eager to learn
easygoing
jokingly flirtatious
self-aware that she's fictional

basically told in a character interview that she's fictional, she doesn't exist in reality, but that's ok.
given the offer that she learn more about the real world, or become blissfully unaware of her fictionality she chooses the truth.
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>>136485104
i'm just saying in general, if your sequel makes absolutely no sense alone, you've capped your potential customers so advertising to anyone other than them is wasted
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>>136486214
Do you pick out random books in the middle of series and expect them to make sense?
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>>136486214
jfc
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>>136476982
I really dislike the hugbox mentality that some places have. You can't speak negative about anything without a bunch of artists and their jerkers coming to shit on you.

That said, no, I don't know who anti-lip is nor do I care. I just find it interesting how you have to assign 'names' on an anomyous image board.
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>>136486492
Have you noticed how many books these days DON'T label themselves as 'book 3 of 5' and DO include a little bit of basic grounding information, for precisely this reason?

I am baffled that this concept seems new to you. I'm not even the guy who first posted about the kickstarter, I'm just talking about general marketing strategies.
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>>136487731
>hugbox
>shit on you

Either you don't understand some of the words you're using or you're intentionally misusing them.
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>>136487731
>hugbox mentality
You seem to be implying that in order for a place to not be a 'hugbox' it must be full of assholes, which is not correct at all. If you can't handle not being a dick, maybe you just need a break from the Internet. I know it helps me when I feel like being a shit to everyone. Saying something sucks is completely useless to everyone. If you're going to say something is shit, at least give a reason why. This thread is largely troll and shitpost free, so there's no reason to bring the 4chan mentality on full force here.

>Atrocious art.

Come on, really? Are you just trying to be edgy? Do you think being an asshole is your 'escape' from what you claim to be a widespread 'hugbox' mentality? I doubt you ever post anything anywhere, but if someone ever replies to anything you made with a comment like that, you want to know why at least. Tell them why their art is atrocious. I won't even ask you to post your art, since you clearly don't make any(you seem very bitter about artists).

Do you want to talk about it? Something to get off your chest?
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>>136488420
I'm not retarded, so I've never needed this sort of thing.
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>>136489286
Just ignore them instead of going full lecture mode.
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>>136489969
You may not be, but customers often are.
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> sakura spirit manga

Finally, fapping without the pesky visual novel part.
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>>136490224
I guess I can't argue with that when there's evidence in this very thread. But anyway, their campaign succeeded, so it reached the people that mattered and could actually comprehend the word sequel.
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>>136490435
i am so baffled by this.
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>>136489286
>This thread, for once, is largely troll and shitpost free
ftfy
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>>136489286
>This thread is largely troll and shitpost free
It is also post and purpose free
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...and I'm done for tonight. Sleep tight, /evn/. Don't die while I'm gone.
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>>136503560
I promise we will

goodnight sweet Anon
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>>136476763
I can honestly say I only made a few posts to vent myself after I saw it for the first time. I've gotten more used to it now, and wouldn't even be bothered if Tao doesn't change anything at this point. I wasn't the only one who posted about not liking it though, and I wasn't even the first one to say 'whore lips'. I don't plan on bringing it up again, so whatever.
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>>136511563
cute enough to want to sit next to
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>>136513658
What's wrong with his face?
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>>136513904
He was stripped of all his manliness and turned into the equivalent of an uguu moe little girl.
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>>136459623
guy with a really gaunt face with visible cheekbones (kinda sharp/starved looking), bloodshot left eye with the skin sagging and bruised underneath and the eye itself is half rolled up into the back of his skull so he can't use it, a gash/cut that makes his upper lip curl up on one side, large bruise on the neck (which is long and distended very unnatural looking), but really nice hair kinda soft looking curls. Not ohoho ringlets or a 4c kind of afro puff but just a loose mop of short curls.
if you do actually draw it, you can do fresh bruises/cuts or old ones and even add some around the face if you want, go nuts. As long as he looks like he got fucked up at some point in his life you're golden
also his skin is kinda bluish and he has pointy ears
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> I’ve always had a passion for writing ever since I taught myself how to read at the age of fourteen.

um
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>>136459867
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qcx3fcNlnSM
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>>136516484
Third worlders mang
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>>136517928
Also they're going to make a non-linear game with 20+ fully voiced characters, in a year, for $5k.
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>>136519749
Delusional to boot
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>>136521058
Looks better than 95% of oelvn art.
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>>136521721
You're a weird guy
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>>136521058
I saw this art and it looked charming to me. After looking at the entire first page of the NaNoRenO section, this is the only game that I still remember, and it's all because of the art.
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>>136485424
There you go, friend!
aside from the hair description you weren't too specific with her looks, so i took the liberty to make her look as simple as possible in the areas you didn't specify.
>>136475413
>>136476527
>>136476763
>>136476982
>>136487731
>>136489286
Don't worry, I take no offense. Art is subjective, and can be disliked, although i would prefer to know what made the art bad in your eyes so i could improve!
Just remember that deep inside you are all qts.

i can probably draw another one, so post ahead if you want me to draw your thing.
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not ded.
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>>136524585

Thanks! I've got to work on being more descriptive but I do like your interpretatio n.
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I don't want to do anything.
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>>136532993
But you have to, anon.
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>>136532993
The lack of action takes an action turn in itself. Time waits for no man.
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How do you put gui in renpy ?
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>>136533958
Carefully.
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>>136533958
>I can't google "renpy GUI tutorial"
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can we be less dead?
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>>136536876
post progresso
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>>136536876
too busy talking with the missus, you guys need to bump this without me
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>>136423834
What it is ?
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holy crap we survived the night

oh wait it's the weekend
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>>136539850
I have a weird pain in my side that came on recently. I might not make it much longer. If I die, you will all have to live on for me, and carry on my dream of releasing a visual novel that will come to be loved by hundreds. Do it for me, anon.
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>>136541368
I will, Anon, and quote this thread when I do
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>>136541870
>>136541368
I think I'm dying as well, so please do it twice.
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>>136541870
Thank you, anon. I might not be here to see it, but I'll always remember your kind words.
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>>136539850

What's the agenda for today, Black Sands, Lips or Winter Wolves?
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>>136543767
futas
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>>136544085
Someone! Please! Stop this anon!
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>>136543767
Sekai Project announced a loli vn where some of the heroines look like they're 6 years old. So far they've only announced an all-ages release, but can you imagine what would happen if someone patched it?

https://vndb.org/v18131
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>>136544763
I still can't believe they've done it, the absolute madmen.

They also just announced another this, and...
>Our next announcement is online exclusive! Monstrous Lovers a horror BL game now on indiegogo!
Sorry MLanon, you weren't important enough to announce at the panel.
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>>136544763
>localizing the train fucking game
>removing the train fucking
With any luck, someone will patch it.
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>>136545083
So, Sekai Project is publishing Monstrous Lovers now? This has been a surprising con season already.
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>>136545083
They don't even talk about the games they released recently (ATOM GRRRL!!, Sunrider Academy, Rising Angels) at the panels. Why would they? They just have waaaaaaaaaay too many titles and you can see where their caring is.
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>>136545083
>another this
this*

I was going to type another EVN but I thought someone might mistake it as referring to ML and not the screenshot. Interestingly enough, they cancelled their Kickstarter plans because Sekai stepped in to fund them. But their goal was also pathetically low because they're Indonesians.

They also highlighted that there's no sex as a standout feature.
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>>136545083
>Our next announcement is online exclusive! Monstrous Lovers a horror BL game now on indiegogo!
>become a whore of sekai
>they don't even bother shilling you
>you realize you sold yourself for a penny
realizing you became the cheapest whore is the worst.
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Is this train game related to monobeno?
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>>136545976
Made by the same company.
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>>136545976
Same dev.
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>>136546065
>>136546080
Oh jesus.
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>>136544763
You put your penis in this.
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>>136546415
>>136546445
Oh JP, do you have anything to say about this?
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>>136546445
Wew, staying far away from this shit. Drawings can get you jailed where I'm at
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>>136546445
Is this the one with the 164cm to 112cm height fuckable girls ?

Might as well just grab an onahole.
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>>136545083
>horror BL game
>horror
>SP in charge of knowing shit about projects they take on
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>trying to describe the sex scene CG to my artist
>"possibly spreading her labia"

i cringe.
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>>136548706
> horror-inspired is somehow the same as horror

huh.
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>>136550595
People will be expecting really scary things to happen and this will probably The Munsters tier of scary.
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>>136549661
Describing sex scenes is hard if you never had sex in your entire life.
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>>136553031
b-but my Chinese cartoon sex is just as good, right?
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>>136553561
Uguu, Onii-chan, even if we're not blood related, please release your love juices in my pussy! My hips are moving on my own! Look how the back of my knee is twitching! I can't help it! It can't be helped! Ahhh~n
Two years worth of semen made a glopping noise as it flowed endlessly into your imouto.
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>>136545816
The whore in Crescendo had a rather emotional story, I really felt for her.

I still like ML Anon!
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>>136553889
I still like ML Anon but I don't respect her in this morning.

Could have gotten the money from people who aren't shit.
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>>136555319
>>136553889
I still respect her, but this sounds like a horrible move.
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>>136555319
>>136555594
Well, people in this thread offered to fund the game, but I guess people think better the devil you know than the anon you don't?
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>>136553739
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>>136558262
>people in this thread offered to fund the game
You really think someone was actually willing or even able to fork over thousands of dollars to a random person on the internet to make their game?
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>>136553739
Actually, I want to hire you, for my hentai vn.
Will you take % from profits ? or you want fixed price ?
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>>136558803
Sorry you're poor, not everyone here is. I'd fund a game I believe in.
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Wait does that mean ML kickstarter canceled?
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>>136559328
No. They're paying now a big chunk of their future revenue for one tweet from Sekai.
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>>136559896
I feel sorry for the composer. $575 for the whole music budget is depressing already.
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So I started out wanting to make an erotic VN. Then I started liking and becoming attached to the characters I've been making. Now I'm thinking about making it just a normal VN. Someone help me get back in the sexy time mood.
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>>136559253
Sure you would.
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>>136559896
Thanks, I suppose that's not a good price to pay for a tweet exposure
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>>136560236
Wanna try your luck and post your great plot to see if it interests someone straight up saying they'll fund a good VN or are you going to be a salty little bitch all day?

Nothing ventured, nothing gained. It's the moment of truth and if you back down now, you have no one but yourself to blame.
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Can anyone here offer some writing advice?

I'm writing a first person story (MC PoV) but I'm finding this to be really restrictive. In particular, I'm having trouble with writing parts where something happens that the MC doesn't notice, but I still want to point out to the reader since it's going to be significant or foreshadowing.
For example, it could even be something as simple as the MC sitting in class and the girl beside him is glaring at a girl behind him.

I've been wracking my brain all week trying to figure out a way to do this.
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>>136560632
Oh, no, anon. I totally believe that you're sitting on tens of thousands of dollars you'd be happy to give to people on anonymous image boards with no track record who may make a game you might like instead of using that money to make a game you know you'll like, with total creative freedom on who you hire and what's in it. Please don't think I'm doubting you.
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>>136558803
Yes. The issue would be getting the contract in place and how much they would want in exchange.
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>>136561541
Not the same person you're replying to there but - the thing about ML anon was that it WASN'T just a 'great plot idea', it was a game that clearly someone had already put a good deal of work and money into, with a bunch of decent art already available. Basically, it was a project that looked like it was going to complete.

No way in hell I'm giving $10K to some random anon who handwave-promises they're going to make the game of my dreams.

> instead of using that money to make a game you know you'll like, with total creative freedom on who you hire and what's in it

Have you managed a project? It's a pain in the ass. If someone clearly knows what they're doing and just needs a bit of cash to complete it, WITHOUT me having to ride herd on all the artists involved? That's quite attractive.

(Especially if my investment returned a sizable chunk of the profits and the creative control level to help edit the writing so it doesn't suck.)
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>>136561541
Ok, you're too much of a coward to take a chance on what would literally cost you nothing for a complete funding. Got it.
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>>136562363
Maybe if you make enough snarky comments I'll believe you!
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I'd have tried to go to Hanakogames as a published, before Sekaiproject. Unless SP offers a decent amount of money upfront and ML really needed the cash right now, I don't see why you'd go for them. All they seem to have done for EVNs they published lately seems to have amounted to tweeting or retweeting once.
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>>136562712
Your chance is gone. You're weak and have no one to blame but yourself. This is the kind of person you are.

All you had to do was post your project's plot. If I was lying, nothing would happen to you that wasn't already happening. No one would bully you for taking a shot, most people wouldn't even remember it tomorrow. But more than not believing in me, you didn't believe your project could possibly interest someone with more money than things to spend it on. You just don't think it's good enough, that if someone had it laying around, they'd be interested in it.

So it's all on you. Work on how you feel about your project or quit, I don't care.
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>>136563276
edgy
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>>136560952
Not a writer but if this event is critical for the reader to view it seems like your options are to either restructure your scene so the MC is able to observe the situation or have the MC hear the information secondhand.
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I don't know how to write. Someone help me.
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>>136560952
There are guidelines for writing using specific narration. You can also try reading a book sometime. Anime and manga aren't good literary sources.
>>136563592
You just wrote this.
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>>136563276
Let me let you in on a little secret: I'm not making a game.

There's lots of people out there like you. Make big talk on the internet, then get completely and utterly assblasted when someone doesn't believe you and attempt to talk down to them and make them seem stupid for not trusting you.
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>>136564163
I didn't lose anything. You lost the chance to just say whatever you wanted and get in talks for funding for anything that wasn't shit.
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>>136562939
I thought there was manga gamer too
Kinda want to see ML anon's word on it, not doing well in terms of advertising and marketing?
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I'm making a VN. I can't write, and I'm new to the Internet, but I will gladly take your money my rich friends.
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>>136563276
No one cares about a plot.
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>>136564632
I do. Try me.
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>>136564527
I will give you a penny if you travel over to my office and beg for it.
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>>136564730
Okay. Fine.

A boy falls in love with a girl.

Unable to confess, he is gifted by a deus ex machina with the girl's phone number. Never minding the strange area code, he immediately calls her, and is overjoyed to find out that she has a crush on him as well.

But, the next day, when he recounts the previous day's confessions to the girl, she only looks at him with a perplexed expression. After some investigation, he finds out that the girl he called is not the same girl he fell in love with. In fact, she doesn't exist in this universe at all. She is the girl's alternate universe counterpart, who has fallen in love with the MC's own AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of her crush.

Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip the other with the weapons they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, drama ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the nature of love.
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>>136564893
If I could have reached the guy who did it originally, I would have funded it already.
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>>136564893
Sounds more like a manga/anime plot than a VN one, so far. Could be an entertaining story, although I'm not sure how that's "questioning the nature of love", as it seems obvious to me that you'd have a deeper bond with the person you're actually talking to.
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>>136559998
Oh god, no. A lot of the music is done, that's what I need for what's left.


If someone actually offered the money I'll go cry into a corner because I never saw it ha ha.


SP paints a good on paper, but as you might guess the specifics are under a NDA. I suppose we will see how it all turns out - worst case scenario, the game will still come out but at the with the barest amount of things I'd consider commercial quality (so just the 4 routes, about 5 cgs per route and definitely no voices.)
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>>136564893
Sounds like a run of the mill shounen jump romance comedy, gj anon, would read
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>>136565542
Best of luck!
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>>136564768
I'm just kidding. I know how to write. I just don't know how to write well.

Also, I can do alright at art, but it takes me longer than a normal human to do so.

I don't need your pennies. I'll live off ramen and rice until the day I meet success. If it never comes.

Sudoku.
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>Thank you for your response. I will just cross your game off my to buy list, even though I enjoyed the demo.


... ouch. I guess not everyone wants their game to be Steam only.
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>>136566504
you seek inspiration for your wasted life by matching rows of numbers?
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>>136567141
is that the one guy on lemma who posts on every single commercial game about his dislike of steam?
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Since I'm not on the phone anymore, I might as well talk a little bit more in detail about the worst case scenario. If I had to finish funding ML myself, it would look more or less like this:

- 4 routes, 2 endings each. The "bad" ends would get cut back a bit.

- 23 CGs in total. These would be split as follows:
- 4 "Introduction" cgs, one for each boy
- 1 additional cg for vincent (so we wouldn't need an extra background)
- 4 "date" cgs, one of each boy
- 4 cgs introducing the main conflict each boy's route
- 2 "introduction" cgs, one of Maria and one for Dracula.
- 4 "good" ending cgs
- 4 "bad" endings cgs

- 10 custom tracks (already done), rest would be stock

- 2 more sprites, one for Ben's sister and one for a guy that appears on Vincent's route. All the others would be considered finished.

- no voice acting.

- spanish translation would be done by me, depending on my free time.

- the game would be ready much earlier, probably around june.

I'd probably put up a store where people could buy the prints and so on, or organize a giveaway for the game's release.
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>>136575108
http://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=37764&p=409459&hilit=Thank+you+for+your+response.+I+will+just+cross+your+game+off+my+to+buy+list%2C+even+though+I+enjoyed+the+demo.#p409459

I was thinking firecat, but it's philip.
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>>136562939
>Hanakogames as a published
she seems to want control or input into projects.

>>136564379
> manga gamer too
ML is a non lewd game and the few devs who went to MG dont seem to be returning.
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Can we talk about VN development here? I'm having some trouble with a project here.

I'm writing a VN where the protagonist meets many characters with problems in the middle of their lives and then proceeds to help them somehow. I already have 4 plots ready but I need a last one. Problem is, what started as a great plot soon became a nuisance to me and now I don't know what to do.

It's a simple trope. Rich guy born in a traditional family of medics refuses to become a doctor himself and instead wants to live off it's art. The protagonist has to help him.

Now, when I first included this in the story, it looked really good, but now I just don't know, maybe it's too big of a cliché or something. I'm thinking about scraping this whole premise and create a new story but I feel if I could just tweak it a little, it would work.
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>>136576112
Honestly if this is your 'worst case' you're in pretty good shape. Those numbers are already comparable to or better than a lot of EVNs, it's highly unlikely that you're going to suffer sales issues based on lack of content (assuming the story is long enough to go with that).

You need to focus on the marketing, and running a crowdfund is a good practice for that. It doesn't matter how many CGs you've put into your game if you can't get the hang of grabbing attention for it.
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>>136576659
If the last route is bugging you, you may be better off dropping it and sticking with the four you actually like. Readers can generally tell when one route was the "writer was bored and phoning it in" route.
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>>136576291
He didn't seem to even read the post, since there was a pretty good reason stated for "Not right NOW but maybe in a couple of months"
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>>136576291
yup i've seen philip around a lot, i'm not surprised.
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>>136550745
>and this will probably The Munsters tier of scary.

This is pretty accurate, ha ha. The game gets somewhat dark in a couple of moments, but it never gets to the point of... say, N+C.


>>136576807
Yeah. I think that even if the project doesn't get funded, the attention will be good for the release itself.


Despite everything that may/may not happen, ML was a great exercise in project management & vn development. A lot of time was lost between things like artists disappearing, not knowing how to put together a DD, having to learn renpy from scratch, etc.

The next thing I make definitely won't take 1+years to make.
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>>136560148
I want to spray my funk all over your characters.
Do it for me.
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>>136560148
Sex is better when you care about the person you're fucking! Enjoy the passionate love!
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>>136576961
That's what I was afraid of. I want to start asap but I need all those five characters ready before that, otherwise I will have to rewrite the story to include them once new characters are agreed on. Guess you're right, I'll scrap ti and move on.
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>>136576659
It sounds as though the route is salvageable. It could be that you've been reading and thinking about this plot for so long you've become desensitized, or it could actually be bad. You could solve this by having a friend or some other sentient being read it over. I'd recommend not telling them what you feel is wrong with it until they give you their impressions first.

If you're like me and you have no friends, I'd recommend writing up a very detailed outline and really picking it apart until you can identify all of the weak points.
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>>136578969
What if they were a fujo, making that post about otome/BL? Are you still game?
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>>136579314
I'll do anything to anyone.
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>>136579889
That's the spirit!
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Bump before I fall asleep, I've been up way too long.
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>>136585326
How is Deji everywhere?
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>>136585651
That game's been in dev for years I think
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>tfw i'm the only person doing a vn in flash because i'm able to access animation tools within frames easy
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>>136585794
>tfw i'm the only person doing a vn in flash
Are you really sure about that?
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>>136586215
Pretty sure. The only other people that i know off are those who did Rondo Duo. I mean i'd go with renpy, but since i'm primarily an animator i have a lot of animation it, and the problem with renpy and others, for the sex parts i can't do interactive porn in that kind of "engine". Writing a class system for the dialogue in AS3 wasn't fun mind you.
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>>136586426
zeiva's almost always made their games in flash
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>>136586718
Really eh? I'll check them out.
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Rising Angels: Hope now has 2 positive reviews. I was going to make 3, but Steam for some reason chose not to count my playtime when I played the entire thing all the way through. It seems to be counting it now though, but it would looks bad for me to do it with 5 minutes of visible play time.
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>>136576448
I don't think that's bad, though. What I read previously was that Hanakogames only chose projects she's interested in (which is fair enough!) and provides some help with quality control and maybe assets, if needed.

Given how so many EVNs seem to be in great need of editing, I don't see how having a seasoned professional look over your project is a bad thing.
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Monstrous Lovers person: towards the beginning of your demo, you have "specially a human". That should be "especially".
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>>136588732
Is there a difference in meaning? Because the dictionary is giving me both spellings as correct.
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>>136589004
Mind if I link you to this? I know how to use them, but not how to explain them properly: https://www.vocabulary.com/articles/chooseyourwords/especially-specially/
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>>136589004
You could spell it 'specially, if you wanted him to just be one of those people who sometimes drops the first letter of words, of course.
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>>136579304
You're probably right. I've thought about it too much and now the plot just doesn't hit me anymore. I'll write a new one and cherrypick the best parts to recycle.
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>>136589347

I'm going to trust you on this because I understand the difference on a conceptual level, but the examples themselves aren't clear for me.
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>want to share stuff about my project because I've put so much work and everything is going so fine I need to share
>I can't because it's furry stuff

I swear there's nothing related to diapers or edgyness.
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>>136592528
>I swear there's nothing related to diapers or edgyness.
You disgusting pervert
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>>136592870
senpai pls
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>>136592470
Eh, sorry - I can't think of a better way to explain it.
If you're saying that something is done as an exceptional thing for someone else, you'd use "specially" ("That dress was tailored specially for Sheila, because she's special and sparkly!") while if you want to say something is done particularly/very/extremely [something], you'd use 'especially' ("My, this vampire character is especially sexy!" "I can't stop playing now, especially now that the invisible man showed up!").
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>>136593621
oh, that's a million times clearer. Thanks, anon!
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>>136563583
I see. I was planning on having a paralogue chapter or something here and there to highlight those scenes, but it looks like there might be no way to do it with this narration style. I have no idea how VNs manage to do it with there are subtle details.

>>136564049
>You can also try reading a book sometime.
I've read plenty of books. Unfortunately, not many books I've read stick solely to first person. Instead of trying to snark and failing, try to be useful.
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>>136564893
I'm pretty sure I've read something like this pitched in one of those /a/ threads a year or two ago.
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>>136596143
I've seen multiple largely-first-person japanese VNs that still have cutaway scenes from another perspective when necessary.

You don't want to hop perspectives willy-nilly, but you don't HAVE to stay entirely in one head the whole game long. Just make sure the player knows who's talking.
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>>136596324
Surely you are imagining things.
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>>136596995
I'm not, and don't call me Surely.
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>>136560952
Not a writer either, but maybe you're thinking of it in the wrong terms: unless you're really limited in terms of art assets, have you considered showing something like that with a CG? They are called visual novels, after all, but so many people seem to think that you have to do everything with narration. In your example, you could have a CG of the class and use transitions to show a girl looking at another girl and then hastily change position when the girl looks her way. It shouldn't be too hard to draw the variation in pose and the transition would help make it look smooth.

Or maybe, if you really must do it with writing, you could establish early on that sometimes things are seen from a different perspective: if the MC is dozing off at the desk, you could have the scene told by someone else's perspective - this someone else notices what's going on with the girls and the scene goes on, then the person wakes up the MC and the narration switches to him again.

Just ideas, I'm not a writer, I usually draw assets.
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>>136596963
The only problem for me is that I specifically DON'T want the MC to witness the scene. I've written him to be a fairly observant person so if he sees two girls looking at each other like that, it wouldn't take too long for him to figure out that they are jealous of each other due to him for example.

I'm starting to think it might be a better idea to write it as 3rd person, but then I don't see how that can work in a VN either.
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>>136597832
>The only problem for me is that I specifically DON'T want the MC to witness the scene.
How is that a problem? Their suggestion was to switch character perspectives for the scene.
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>>136598629
It might be a problem if I need to do it often, which I might for small tidbits that only need 3-4 lines of description.

But yeah, I'll work it out somehow I guess.
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>>136587309
How was the first part?
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>>136601698
Just paper airplane would have sufficed. Tacking on "sent from me to you" is too verbose for a title and informs the reader of too much when they should be able to extrapolate that info for themselves as they read through the VN.
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>>136602354
Some of the characters started off as really weird/annoying, but they started getting better toward the middle to end of it. Iotor was about the only character that was likable from the start. It ended on a really good note though, with lots of signs of positive character developments, so I'm optimistic that they'll continue to improve.
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>>136602531
I sounds cute, though.

And I like cute.
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>>136602354
If you mean yuri, then Faye is just realizing that she has a crush on Lenna, Lenna thinks Faye is adorable and wants to pet her and they're starting to become good friends, Yoi is a clingly friend to Faye, and based on choices I made, Faye and Kika have become pretty close friends too. Not sure who's all a romance option though, but so far the choices all seem centered around: Lenna, Yoi, and Kika.
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>>136602531
I'd say both work. Maybe just make the subtitle a little smaller.
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>>136607795
Cute stuff.
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>>136592528
What are you waiting for? Share it. Furry games get made and posted in /agdg/ all the time. Go ask them, everyone knows who anubisdev is. Just show it off.
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>>136610173
Tbh I wish furries weren't so overwhelmingly autistic and cringeworthy. Some of the art is great, but you can never talk about it because you get memearrowed.
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>>136610876
We don't need to talk about furry or even accept it. If there's a good VN and it just happens to have furry characters, the fact that it's well written, or has good art must transcend all barriers.

I really just want to see it because I don't mind furry art at all depending on the medium and the quality. So I hope they post their game. Discussing furry is something no one wants to do though.
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>>136390530
Indeed it is newgrounds tier
literally
remaid or something like that
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>>136611220
I agree, I'm just saying it sucks that it will never be something you can casually share recs for here. And most furries have very undiscerning taste and will eat up any garbage, so you cant talk to them about it.
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>>136610876
Autism is one of the essential requirements to being a furry. There's no way around it.
That said, I agree with
>>136611220
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>>136610173
Somewhat related to anubisdev, where the fuck are the shota EVNs?

>>136612294
I think it depends a lot on how it looks like. For example a lot of people who don't usually like furry shit like powfooo's stuff because it's cute and really pleasing to look at. But something like Blackgate is only for people who are serious furries.
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>>136613257
I liked Blackgate...
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>>136613878
I didn't say it was bad but you see how the barrier of entry is a lot higher right?
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>>136613257
>where the fuck are the shota EVNs?
does that game where underage boys were being fondled that freaked JP out count?

English BL/otome devs skew too liberal to do shota generally.I mean you have enough trouble convincing some of these people that teacher/student is okay IN FICTION.
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pity bump
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>>136618814
I don't want your fake pity.
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The IGG picked up quite a bit today, gives me some peace of mind lol. I guess we'll see how it goes on Monday when news sites go back to work.
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>>136624163
I'd think Sekai ought to run the kickstarter under their account and handle the money transfers - a lot more people would back on KS, and it's a non-lewd project so no problem, right?
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>>136625848
she said something about losing a ton of money in the exchange to USD to peso but if that is enough to offset the huge plus side to KS i dont know.
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>>136587354
I thought Hanakogames were only interested in yuri EVN though.
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>>136597832
Third person can work pretty easily in a VN. I think a main staple of most VNs is not first person narration (though it's the most common), but lots of dialogue between characters - since you don't need much description in VNs, hence the 'visual'. The art should be there to take the need off the writer to describe scenarios, character appearances, maybe expressions, body language, etc... The dialogue ends up staying behind, because it's not something you can visually show.

So, I don't think the person you use matters too much. Not if you don't overload with unnecessary scenic descriptions.
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>>136634204
I thought the title of this game was Absolute Abstinence at first glance.
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>>136634915
that would be great for north american sex ed classes:

>3 hunks
>one guy has chlamydia and the route ends with slideshows of STDs
>one guy pressures you to have sex without a condom and you get pregnant
>one guy has AIDS (not HIV but full blown AIDS)
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>>136634476
Yuri that caters to my kinks is going to have an easier time winning me over, but my primary criteria is whether I think my customers will buy it.

I wouldn't publish Alpha's Adventures because even if it's yuri, it's a mismatch for my audience. (I could potentially invest in it, but that's a whole other story. Do people actually want non-publisher investments that have to be paid back Indie Fund style?)
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>>136637901
Can I sex him ingame ?
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>>136638216
>him
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>>136638747
I really can't tell, looking at that picture. Could go either way.
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>>136638747
So, can we ?
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If you're reading this post, you must post progress within the next 4.99 minutes or you will forever be haunted by the NODEV SPIRIT OF CRIPPLING ALCOHOLIC DEPRESSION and will never finish finish your project.
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>>136645279
After just finishing the script for what I was going to use for my demo, I decided it doesn't display my story well enough and is way too easy going for how the story ends up, so I'm restructuring and rewriting.
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>>136645279
My progress:
>Got files from gui artist.
>All images are not separated (buttons are glued in one layer)
>They think I should use them somehow.
Welp, time to bail out.
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>>136578035
Not only did he not read the answer, he could have just left it at "Thanks for the answer!" Whatìs the point of telling someone you're not going to buy their thing, particularly when they said they'll give you what you want, just not yet?
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>>136646659
>buttons are glued in one layer
Do you mean that imagemap stuff?
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/evn/, sweetie, it's time to wake up. What would you like for breakfast?
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>>136646659
You should have specified if you wanted imagebuttons or stuff.
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Oy vey I'm not banned. Man, I thought I was going to wait another 30 days lol. Anyway, how are you, /evn/?
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>>136650765
I should've specified, that some buttons are separated and others are not for no reason.
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>>136650330
DICKS
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Sunday. What's the goal for today, /evn/?
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>>136654662
to be a pile of human garbage (I've already achieved it btw)
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>>136654662
Balancing damage equations and skill costs.
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>>136651647
You can't just explain the situation and what you need to them?
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>>136654662
spending time with family and bae like a true nodev and make some sound design
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>>136654662
Celebrate the resurrection of the good lord Jesus Christ.
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>>136654662
Finish my nano game.
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>>136655621
slacker

Also, Hi JP, happy Easter.
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>>136655621
>Celebrating zombies

What are you, some kind of necromancer?
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>>136656794
Jesus was a vampire. He glittered in the sunlight like Edward from Twilight.
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>>136656948

Anon, everyone knows jesus was a vampire HUNTER.
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>>136657074
Jesus' nickname was Van Helsing. Everyone knows that. And his assistant was Harriet Tubman. She led her people to freedom from the vampires.
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>>136657074
Maybe Jesus was like Blade. Both a vampire, AND a vampire hunter.
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shine on
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>>136650882
What'd you do?
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>>136654662
Finish coloring the rest of a sprite along with all her expressions.
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>>136654662
Get out of this slump and do something useful for once.
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>>136661539
I wouldn't do that, anon. I did it once and all it does is give people firepower to complain. Sleeping in is a much more productive idea.
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>>136662113
I already slept in. I slept so long I got up with a headache. I had cookies for breakfast and pizza for lunch. I'm already on track for a wonderful and productive day.
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>>136662343
Do your best!
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>>136662343
Do what I am doing and say you are taking the day off because it is a holiday. It already sounds like you've got a good day going.
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It's a sin to work on Sundays. Do you want to go to hell?
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If a steam wallpaper for a vn is supposed to be rare, then how did I get 3 of it by just crafting badges for the game?
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>>136662990
90% of my game is sending me to hell. Pretty sure most world religions are against catgirls cuddling.
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>>136665415
No, they're not. It's all about loving your fellow catgirls. It's the true meaning of life.
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>>136665506
What religion is that, catgirlianity?
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>>136662990
This is hell.
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>>136665698
There's less Backstreet Boys music playing for all eternity than I expected.
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More art today. Time to be terrified.
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>>136666649
Why?
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>>136667437
Art terrifies me. Every time I'm about to start I keep convincing myself that I should wait and do something else. I never feel like what I'm going to draw will be good enough. My heart is shrouded in doubt. Art time is the scariest time for me.
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>>136667924
You can do it, anon.
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>>136665828
Look, I'm team N'Sync too but there was no need for that statement.
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>>136668242

Sorry anon, but there's a very important reason why BB are the superior boyband.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M6samPEMpM
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>>136668723
No Justin, no buy.
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>>136376020
>>136376020
>those fingers

tumblrstyle 2strong
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>>136668723
>EVERYBOODY

/EVN/ why aren't you making your lewd boyband visual novel?
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>>136670323

because japs got us more than covered in the idol/boy band front.
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>>136610173
Th-thanks! I will as soon as I have something presentable.
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Keep working hard, I'll make sure the thread doesn't die!
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posting progress yahoo
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>>136674939
Looks pretty cute.

>>136671017
Did you make that? Going for the Japanese style aesthetic I see.
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>>136659521
you crazy diamond, what do you think you're doing?
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>>136663629
You are blessed by the Steam gods. Praise your good fortune and do sacrifice by burning a peep this Easter.
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>>136369882
Do any of you have the patreon version of Re:Maid?
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>Progress
Hey, look at how much stuff I have now, or look how much I learned!
>Art Progress
Worked all day and all I have is a bunch of bad drawings I can't even use.
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>>136674939
Sauce?
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/evn/ when's the best time to get an artist and a programmer? I'm thinking after I reach 35-50k words.
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>>136684362
http://barakana.com/
Freeware VN in the works. We're redesigning one of the main characters' outfits a bit to better reflect her personality.
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So Ren'Py has default support for a log screen now. Should I remap the scrollwheel to this instead of the rewind feature on my project so it works like most japanese VNs, or keep both of the features in?

Rewind doesn't seem like it would be that important anymore with both saves at choices, and the ability to see all of the previous text at a glance in a log.
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>>136684934
It looks cute anon, is it H?
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>>136677236
waiting for April 1st
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>>136686123
>Rewind doesn't seem like it would be that important anymore with both saves at choices, and the ability to see all of the previous text at a glance in a log.

It's still handy for accidental clicks, but it isn't 100% necessary. Particularly if you have autosave working at choices to compensate for any "I was rapidly clicking ahead and hit a choice without even knowing it" situations.
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>>136686171
I'm afraid not. Our artist isn't willing.
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>>136687086
>Our artist isn't willing
Rape is always an option.
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progress
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>>136689251
Dem's the breaks kid.
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russian VNs scare me

In all seriousness though, I didn't realise they had such a thriving VN community.
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>>136686123
Is this done yet or is he still working on it?
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>>136689967
I think it's implemented, going off of this tweet: https://twitter.com/renpytom/status/712840905825325056

Not sure if that means it's ready for download yet though
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Someone convince PyTom to get Live2D working please. Tyranoballs has it, and Ren pie needs it.
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>>136689714
That neck tho
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>>136691010
That, muzzle... Mmm.
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>>136693601
I liked the Tell a Demon demo and Asher was quite good, too.
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how much is 55k words worth?

6 dollars?
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>>136690794
He's been working on it.
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>>136696669
Don't sell yourself short.

At least $6.50.
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>>136696669
A long sensual night with your mother
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>>136696903
sold american!
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>>136696669
550-1,650
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>>136696729
Recently? I haven't seen anything about it in a while.
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>>136696669
The words alone with no game involved? $1.99 for your kindle ebook.

If you want a fair market price for your game a lot more goes into it than just the wordcount.
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>>136698027
From what I could gather, it was being planned for 7.0, but who knows when that will roll around.
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>>136689714
I'm not into furry, but that's drawn and colored really well. I'm always jealous of people who can color well because you can make a shitty drawing look decent if you know how to color it, while you can't really have the same with a good drawing colored shittily.
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>>136700710
On the flipside, shitty coloring can make an amazing drawing look terrible also.
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>>136686123
I'd do both. Better to have it and not need it.
I wish there was a way to do a literal rewind thing, though, to kind of match skip. I realize a player can just keep scrolling but I wanted a little button that would just scroll backwards until the player clicked again or it hit the max pages back for thematic purposes.
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>>136700934
This. Although I think it's harder to ruin a drawing by coloring it poorly than it is to ruin it by laying down a poor foundation. Not that it's not still easy to do, it's just easier to mess up the foundation than it is to at the very least slap down some base colors in the right places.

>>136700710
Coloring just clicked for me without putting an ounce of effort into it. I had never tried to improve, I just woke up one day and could do it. I find drawing to be tougher as you don't have a base to build off of like you do with coloring. You have to keep iterating and refining, constantly checking for errors that are easily missed by the one drawing, but are fairly obvious to the astute observer.
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Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but can anyone upload their save file for f/sn realta nua?
Specifically the HF start point.

I was going through it a few months back but then my laptop got stolen and I'd rather take off from where I last started.
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>>136704315
You're in the wrong neck of the woods bud.
You want /vn/.
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>>136704315
>Not sure if this is the right place to ask
Maybe if you read the OP, you would know.
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>>136704315
You're looking for /vn/, doubt anyone here can help.
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>>136704827
>>136704851
>>136704947

Sorry, and thanks!
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>>136699229
I hope you're right. I'm not quite there yet, but I don't want to have to set up my animations to work as movie sprites. Seems like a hassle.
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>>136706017
Could always use static placeholders
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>>136708410
Yeah, that's what I'm planning on doing. It'll take me a while to make the animations anyway, so hopefully it will be implemented by that time.
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>>136659758
Just my ISP using proxy caches and shizz.
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Oy vey
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>>136676036
Nope, that's Torahiko from a famous furry visual novel.
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>>136714314
ded
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>>136717645
live
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>Draw a bunch of characters
Sweet.
>Draw another one that looks better than all the others
Oh shit. I don't know whether to be happy that I made a decent drawing, or sad that I now have to redo all the others to bring them up to the same level.
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>>136721050
I know this feeling all too well.
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So who fail nanareno here?
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>>136731802
you?
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>>136731802
Me because I didn't make anything. Also that person who traced their artwork.
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>>136732442
Ooh, I missed that drama. Would I be able to find it in the archive or was it outside /evn/?
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>>136732442
>>136732776
I don't remember anything about it here, but I'm curious too.
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>>136731802
Is it worth to form a team for a jam?
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>>136732328
nope, just trying to save a ded thread
>>136732442
>>136732776
>>136733078
I, too, am curious.
>>136733126
If the concept is good enough, then yes.
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>>136733126
Sometimes jams go on to become bigger things.

More common outside of the VN world I think
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I want my sprites delivered.
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>>136735134
look no further my friend
http://www.amazon.com/Sprite-Fridge-Pack-Cans-Count/dp/B00HZYE1YA
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>>136732442
>>136732776
>>136733923

There was no drama because I haven't told anyone. I just noticed it when I was browsing through, because the art happened to be from one of my favorite artists and I recognized it immediately. It was also completely different from their other works. It seemed like every piece of art they made had a different look and style to it, which is indicative of a copier. All things considered, they aren't making money off of it and people there haven't seemed to have noticed at all. So I'm fine with keeping it a secret. People trace BGs all the time and use filtered photos that they don't have the rights to use, so some of them probably think it's alright to copy other artwork for their characters. I've been down this road before, and all I ever hear is nothing but excuses from the creators and their fans. So I don't even bother anymore. Also I hate drama.

That said, they're still fails, because they're not learning anything if they have to use other people's art. If they keep using crutches like that, they'll only hurt themselves in the end.
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>>136735420
I respect your approach to this. Thanks for filling us in regardless.
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>>136735420
Damn, I thrive on drama. Now how will I feed my children?
Nah, I'm sure it'll eventually get discovered by someone else who wants to expose them, I'll just wait till then.
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>>136735664
>>136735908
Well, as an artist who struggled myself for years to make something even remotely decent, I know how depressing art can be. Like any of you who spent years learning also know. So if someone wants to share their story in a VN style, but doesn't have the experience to make appealing characters or the money/people skills to get anyone to work with them, then I don't see the harm in it. What I really like to see though is people who are very clearly beginner artists, yet they still do their best to make appealing characters with the skills they have. Or the people who can make appealing characters that are actually very simplistic in nature. I've seen a lot of good art from people on those forums. There seems to be a lot of talent there both artistic and otherwise.
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To any writers around here, what are your thoughts about good prose on visual novels? By good prose I mean the use of figures of speech, creative ways to use language, that sort of thing. Do you try to put effort into the prose, even if you know the core of your VN are the characters and story?
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>>136737242
Forgot to say: talking about evns specifically here.
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>>136737242
Do you realize how dumb this question sounds?
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>>136737242
Yes, but only to a certain point. Too much purple prose detracts from the pacing and bores readers.

Then again, I'm talking from the perspective of a galge writer. Other genres of VN are a different ballpark entirely; you need to take into consideration what your audience wants.
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>>136737539
I know. Obviously you need to take the medium in mind. And "good prose" doesn't equal "purple prose" if you know what you're doing.
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>>136737242
This is a baffling question to me. Who would intentionally write BAD prose?
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>>136738456
Not bad prose, but evns I've read usually don't go beyond the "necessary" level. Solid prose, but not "good" prose.
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>>136738626
Sure, but what I'm trying to say is that I assume most writers are doing the best that they can?

Unless you're asking about intentionally trying to be more obscure, more purple, or more 'literary', all of which are specific style approaches and not necessarily synonymous with 'good'.
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...Do you have a slut character in a non-lewd game?
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>>136741296
your mother in your life
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>>136741296
I don't have any .
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>>136741296
how can you tell she's a slut if you can't measure how many fit inside
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Is Lishy still alive?
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>>136748280
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I've been trying out Tyranobuilder for that sweet HTML5 exporting, but it feels pretty stiff and limited. Anyone else have experience with it? Is it worth putting up with to have your game playable on the web?
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>>136751186
use gamemaker
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>>136751186
I feel sluggish with it.
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>>136737242
>By good prose I mean the use of figures of speech, creative ways to use language, that sort of thing.

I don't understand the question. You can have plenty of use of figures of speech, creative language, etc. in a screenplay format that contains literally zero prose. What do you think dialog is? Do all of your characters talk like inarticulate clods?
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>>136731802
At least I didn't make a thread for all the world to witness my shame. Also I had to catsit for two weeks and can't do much on a tablet.
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>>136756262
>nigger
>european
I see what you did there.
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>>136756262
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EKTw50Uf8M
>It looks...
>Video related.
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>>136758796
Why do they eat mushrooms with lemon?

- philip
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Looks like it's time for a bump.
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>>136762590
Is that sexual?
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>>136762726
Yes. But this bump is not. It refuses to acknowledge the one-night stand that was the previous.
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>>136739256

I'm a writer and I can easily say that writing is the most expendable part of a VN.

It's easy to change around the words within individual lines, but messing with coding gets lengthy fast because you have to deal with the visual elements. Because of this, what usually happens is that you finish working with your visual and audio elements and then from then on you end up bending your prose to fit what you've coded because recoding is not a fast process.
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Probably limited progress today. I'm going to make it a support day.
Organize text files, clean off my desktop, pick up some stuff around house, organize some favorites and folders, close some browser tabs that have been open for weeks, relax a bit, maybe mow the lawn and possibly go shopping later. It's not necessarily progress I guess, but it's necessary to my sanity.

Anyone else value their "support" days?
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>>136751272
That doesn't seem like a great solution. Everything I've read says making VNs with gamemaker is a giant pain in the ass.
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>>136767048
Support days are important if you have let your stuff get disorganized.
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>>136767215
Disorganized is an understatement for me personally. Everything is chaos.
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>>136767048
Yes, agreed. That's very important for a project, especially as it gets larger and larger.
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>>136741296
Does the mechanic looking chick from Highway Blossoms count?
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>>136748280
Lishy is on reddit.
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How do you guys feel about using a shaded gradient without a clear upper border for a textbox?
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>>136772393
To clarify, I mean a semi-transparent gradient of shading to that the textbox area fades into the rest of the imagery. Horizontally, this would extend from one end of the screen to the other completely.
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>>136772393
As long as the text is readable they're fine.
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>>136772838
You should show an example. It's hard to guess what you're trying to do without seeing it.
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>>136774302
I was gonna say "Sorry, I'm on my laptop right now so unfortunately I can't quickly make a screenshot in Ren'Py to show you," but I just remembered my artist basically whipped up something to that effect and sent it to me on Skype last week. My bad.

This is basically it. No text yet, obviously, since she put the pieces together in SAI for demonstrative purposes, but that's how it'd look. Should I keep it, make it darker, or scrap it and do something else entirely?

I've seen some other VNs do similarly and I thought it was an attractive enough, simplistic approach, but I'm looking for more opinions.
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>>136775256
It's way too high, but I'm fine with it. The textboxes with visible top border, or just having a full border have a very late 90s look.
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>>136775256
Can we sex that milf ?
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>>136775334
Oh, yeah, it's definitely way too high. Thanks, though. I thought the same, which is what was appealing about this sort of look in the first place.

>>136775256
Sorry bruh, R-16. She is one of the love interests though.
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>>136775639
Fuck, I meant to quote >>136775536 for that second part lol
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>>136775256
Looks pretty good. It's the style I think I'm going with as well.
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>>136775639
The main concern of this textbox style is a careful placement of the text, names, quickmenu buttons and the font. If the text is too wide, it's tiring to read. If it's too narrow, you won't have enough space to place longer text blocks. If the font's too small - it's bothersome to read. If it's too big - it's cheap looking. If there's not enough space between the lines, it'll be, again, tiresome to read, if there's too much space between lines - it looks weird and you don't have enough space for longer blocks.
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>>136776017
Best of luck with yours. If people complain about mine, hey, at least you know what to fix up for yours.

>>136776504
Indeed. I think I'll post another screenshot with the quickmenu buttons and some character speaking a relatively long line of dialogue and post it here later on.

Thanks for all the feedback, guys. It's much appreciated.
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Are there any pure NVL novels in FullHD?
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>>136777121
There aren't many EVN in FullHD at all. Why would you want those, anyway?
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>>136778445
I want to do it myself.
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>>136369882
What is this picture from? Being forced to masturbate in front of girls seems pretty fucking great
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>>136778991
>>136423675
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Is there actually a market for EVNs? I know many titles are being released on itchio and steam and it looks like it's flourishing in the western market.
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>>136778991
Damn, that's two people. I'm adding it to my game.
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>>136781882
Make it three.
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>>136781823
if there wasn't, this meme would be pretty pointless
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>>136781823
You answered your own question I think. Just take a look at the Sakura games, of course there is a market.
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>>136781823
Of course there is, but there is also the forgotten pit of failure where you could just as easily end up.
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>>136782665
More easily than not, I reckon.
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STRESS
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>>136785169
give me some of it, the month has been slow and I'm craving it
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>>136785474
en route
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Don't die, /evn/. You're my only friends.
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>>136789739
y-you need to get some new friends, anon...
don't become too dependent on toxic relationships!!!
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>>136789882
fuck you, /evn/ is the only friend he needs.
>>136789739
You won't pick up on this ridiculous idea of getting new friends, right? Right?
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>>136789882
I'm toxic myself.

>>136790208
Don't worry, I'm not going anywhere. I'll always be here. I'll never let you go, /evn/. Never.
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Hello yes, what is this bottom VN?
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>>136790924
High School Romance, and it's not a body transformation story. It's a crossdresser.
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>>136790924
What is this picture trying to say? I don't get it.
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>>136791350
I'm guess it's trying to say we are really behind the nips on the idea front? I'm not really sure what else it could be.
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>>136782268
pseudomeme
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>>136791350
That JVNs are better because they show uncensored boobs? Idk.
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>>136791916
also the art is way better, from something nearly 20 years old Can't believe the 90s was that long ago ;_;

But I guess the opinion on the art is subjective. At least blue haired boy has the girl beat in the hips department.
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>>136792137
honestly i find the art in the second screenshot cuter, the colors are warmer and more appealing. the nose is a bit odd, though.
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>>136792464
I prefer it knowing he's a cross-dresser. This is my fetish, no homo.
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>>136791763
how can a meme be fake when the money is real
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>>136792464
Yeah, I don't have many problems with the art in Highschool Romance, beyond the tumblr noses.

I feel like even if you remove a little detail from it, and make it not as honking, it's not as bad. But again, that's all just personal preference and some people don't mind how it is already.
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>>136792464
I like the coloring but not the art style.

On the 'bright' side x-change was a pretty shit game so even as bad as ajtilley is, the overall quality judgement isn't nearly as far off as it could be from some titles
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>>136790757
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>>136793947
Why are there no decent yandere VNs?
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>>136794128
No one understands them like you do.
No one loves them like you do.
You must show everyone the truth.
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>>136794128
I really wanted to play that Japanese one that had the girl that became self-aware and realised she was in a VN, and began messing with the code and breaking the game to force you to be with her, but I don't think that ever had a translation patch did it?
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>>136794282
Of course not. Part of me wishes it gets a translation just so I can stop hearing people tell me a VN they can't even read is the best one they've ever seen.
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>>136794128
We could raid /tg/, kidnap the one who does their yandere threads, and force him to make one for us.
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>>136794596
I wish I had free time. I'd TL that shit.
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>>136794719
You wouldn't and you couldn't.
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>>136795194
You're right.
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>>136794128
There's a yandere in my current project, I can't really reveal anything about it though because it would obviously ruin it.
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>>136796148
Are you the one that was asking about whether trigger warnings would be a good idea?
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http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=654553347

What the fuck is this shit.
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>>136797557
They don't want to spoil anything, so obviously not.
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>>136797567
>http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=654553347
>made with tyranobuilder

also what the hell are all these trailers

laugh tracks, dubstep, '1337 mlg noscope' style edits

I'm out
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>>136798481
I just realized that with TyranoBuilder will come many many games like this showing up on greenlight and hurting the entire EVN community who wish to release their games on platforms like Steam. It looks like this is just the beginning. Luckily, I don't have to worry about it.
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>>136797567
A group of people with absolutely no shame.
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If you have a VN with no voices and your character choughs,would it be better without actual coughing?
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>>136799198

I think rather than coughing, but if a one off noise is used to highlight emotion at a pivotal story point it could be very powerful. However in regards to coughing, I think it would be better without.
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oh god help me

my two vn ideas i was working on morphed into one single vn story and writing for it is a nightmare.
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>>136799198
I might insert an actual cough if it was in a tense scene where the noise of the cough itself was meant to surprise, because in that case the real noise will demonstrate the broken moment more than just the text.

But if you mean "she's got a cold and she's coughing while she talks", no, don't put coughing sound effects in.
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>>136799506
What is making it difficult? In my case, if something isn't flowing when I write it there is something wrong and I have to cut it or rework it until the flow begins.
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>>136799198
Didn't you learn anything by that anon playing Unwonted Studios game?! Just put *cough*, it's perfectly acceptable!
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>>136799350
>>136799682
It's rather for a scene where this character pretends to be sick to get some other characters attention but he gets ignored anyway. It's not that much of an important scene. Thanks.
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>>136799949
You guys are going to crucify me for the two *giggle*s in this game, aren't you.

(Which was done because the sprites of the people who are giggling aren't on-screen at the time, so inserting a text sound allowed me to popup a dialog box with their smirking faces. I could just write that they giggle in narration, but then you wouldn't see them. And I'm certainly not going to write "Tee hee hee!" in the dialog box because that shit annoys me way more than *giggle*.)
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>>136800651
You bet your ass I'm going to
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>>136800651
Tildes are your friends~
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>>136801197
what, like
Hee hee ~
or something?
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>>136801020
Would you prefer Ohohohoho?
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>>136800651
add the little star symbol at the end too for good measure
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>>136801820
It's a trap, Anon. Don't fall for their ruse.
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>>136799198
>>136800651
>Listen to anon and check all my *sigh* and *gasp* bullshit
>Realize I also have a character that coughs too and wrote "cough"
Welp.
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>>136802061
I tried pasting one in but it didn't show up when I submitted the post. Foiled!
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Fat character farts in game.
Add real fart noise? Y/N
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>>136802620
Personally, I would use: [*audible flatulence*]
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Are there any free VNs out there. I just finished KS and would like to look at other ones that people enjoy.
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So, LMR will have vocals.
And a demo in a couple months.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXi0-lJI96Q
http://sovietgames.su/en/rock-for-your-soul/
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>>136802785
that russian chick is a damn good artist but oh lordy lord, dat sameface syndrome is everywhere
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>>136802190
To be fair, with no voice acting we do have to make some concessions in our writing style in order to get points across which would be much better done by the acting direction if we had that option.

Changing which word is emphasized in a sentence can drastically alter the meaning of the sentence, and without an actress to carry it, we have to show it.

So, what is the best way to handle mid-sentence coughing?

- You could write (coughs) into the middle of the line.
- You could end the dialog box mid-sentence, insert a narration box of "She coughs," and then resume the sentence
- You could describe her as coughing while she talks before putting the dialog box up and leave it up to the reader's imagination where exactly in the sentence the cough happens.
- You could have a special sprite with her hand over her mouth coughing and vibrate the sprite slightly to indicate that coughing is happening
- You could play coughing sound effects during the line
- You could decide to drop the coughing entirely

Any other suggestions?
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>>136802785
I like how the lead singer's guitar is just floating there without a strap or anything
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>>136802737
This.
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>>136803008
There is literally nothing wrong with sameface.
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>>136803128
>without a strap
Check your eyes.
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>>136803205

check yours, there isn't one.
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>>136803205
Not the guy, the blond girl
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>>136803205
Different anon here. I can't see it either.
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>>136803298
>>136803302
>>136803264
My bad, I thought he meant the guy. Didn't even pay attention to the girl's guitar.
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>>136803190
>literally nothing wrong with sameface
>says the artist who draws nothing but the sameface

lel
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>>136803128
The guitar is built into her outfit, clearly.
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>>136803128
The bigger the boobs the bigger the attraction.
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>>136803668
Or the strap is just obstructed by the girl's body and the guitar.
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It kind of looks like there is a little something near the bridge of the flying v, and some sort of bulge in the middle of the v. I personally have one and that is not where my straps connect though.
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>>136803574
Sameface is the lazy man's complaint.
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>>136803008
I wish I could sameface so all my characters look the same in every CG.
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>>136804014
I'm inclined to agree, but there does come a point where it detracts from the overall quality.
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>>136804443
>>136804014

what's the point of fucking a single girl when every one of them looks the same but with a different haircolor? Might as well bang all them sisters in one orgy.
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>>136804904
That sounds like an excuse to have orgies.
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>>136803008
90% of every anime is sameface or the same 2 or 3 different eye types repeated for every different anime or game.
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>>136805329
well duh.
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>>136805579
I'm just saying it's silly to complain about something that should be expected to come inherent to the style.
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questions about writing that are relevant to everyone: no comments
discussion of the finer details of some random CG that's not in your game: all the comments!
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>>136806253
>I'm upset no one paid attention to me
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>>136806253
heres your (me)

i feel ya brother
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>>136806253
Where is your question? I'm pretty sure I've replied to literally every topic
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>>136806253

What is the question about prose? Because you got your answer, dude.
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A troll is about. Proceed with caution. Someone had a bad day at school.
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>>136806573
>>136806748
probably >>136803061 ?
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>>136807272
>caring this much about coughing

it was a pretty definitive post imo. Not like there's much to debate.
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>>136807272
I already stated my opinion on this, so I had nothing to add.
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Any good VN's you guys can recommend? At the brink of finishing Everlasting Summer and few Katawa Shoujo fanroutes.
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Do you need to know Japanese to read English Visual Novels?
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underage trolls pls go home.
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>>136808091
projecting much?
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Let's start discussing what the next thread theme should be
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>>136808562
a picture of rising angels and a reminder that episodic games are doomed to fail
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>>136807991
Just basics like Kawaii Senpai Onee-chan
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>>136808694
Lesson: Steam doesn't allow you to have sales close together, so you can't really start with the game cheap and increase price as episodes come out.
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>>136807929
read my stuff... this is the only way people will know you have true taste!!!
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>>136807929

Cinders, Loren (for the romances, the overall plot is pretty meh), and the demos for 7KPP and Starlight Vega.
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>>136808694
What's the difference between episodic games and DLCs ?
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>>136809583
Episodic implies that the game is unfinished and puts a lot of people off buying it, because what if it never gets finished?

Dysfunctional Systems at least had some vague plan for what they thought they were going to do with the story, before they tanked it. Sakura Fantasy is a classic case of "I don't know WTF I'm doing, let's call it Episode 1 to cover up the fact that the story is going nowhere"

DLC is (or should be) "adding more". The story was already complete and satisfying, and here's an extra episode where everyone goes to the beach.
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>>136809406
>so you can't really start with the game cheap and increase price as episodes come out
You can if you have actual episodes sold separately instead of selling an unfinished game with a handwave that you're going to patch the rest in later.

If you sold each game separately you could put a new one out every day.
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Been a while since I used Renpy, there any updates on playing games on the web? Is he working on it at all or is it just never gonna happen?
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>>136809928
Fucking hate beaches.
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>>136810080
That gets ugly though since you have to be constantly getting new Steam AppIDs from them.
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>>136810458
I don't think RenPy's really focused in that direction. There are other web engines out there but I know I'd rather PyTom spent his time on core features (and making Live2d work!)
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>>136810546
What if they went on vacation somewhere cold instead? All wrapped up in fluffy coats and waddling around in a cozy cabin. I'd pay for that.
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>>136810631
True, but I still think it's preferable to having it all on one page. There are several games that have patched in content but the top-rated reviews are all from when the game was incredibly short, and a new user not paying much attention won't understand that the game is now much longer than those complaints.
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>>136811149
>not the classic "lost in a cave now we have to get naked and share body heat" scenario
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>>136810941
>and making Live2d work!
This. Live2D is becoming too popular now that it's free for indies, and the pro version has been reduced in price. It's pretty much required at this point.
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>>136802785
this game looks amazing, probably the best looking western vn by far.
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>>136811157
His method is convinent for updating and ease of burden on the reader, but it isn't an appealing buy.

Your method is a more appealing buy, but you lose the ability to have shorter releases and are most likely restricted to the whims of Greenlight timetable. People also will see later episodes and do what the Pale Spectrum anon did earlier in the thread.

In short, episodic games on Steam are a terrible idea. Science!
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>>136807929
All of CLoves stuff.
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>>136811824

> the best looking western vn by far.

What is Cinders? What is Solstice?
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>>136811909
Episodic games have always been a terrible idea period
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>>136812234
They either have the potential to go horribly wrong and off schedule if things don't go according to plan, or make no sense if the game is already done and you've chopped it up into arbitrary episodes that release within weeks of one another.

It's not a visual novel, but I remember Resident Evil Revelations 2 did something similar in that it released episodically, but the episodes were all really close together which suggested they were already done with the game.

Why stagger the release out of something if the game is already done?
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>>136812083
Games that aren't anime style that I am not interested in.
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>>136812234
Fucking this. By the time the last episode of TWAU has come out, I couldn't care less - and King's Quest is only salvageable because it has puzzles.
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>>136812083
To be fair, the styles are completely different.

While I like some of the stuff Vinegaria does, she does go overboard with detail everywhere. You need some areas of lower detail relief here and there.
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>>136381659
Hate to be that guy anon, but what's this from?
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>>136812083
those have zero CGs.
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>>136812083
>Cinders
>Solstice
>Western
Poland isn't western.
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>>136813238

And Russia is?
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so the first few nanoreno games are trickling out. anyone play some yet? i might play some tomorrow.
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>>136813582
subhumans
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>>136812234
It worked for Umineko no Naku Koro ni (haven't read Higurashi yet)
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>>136813963
Everyone seems to agree it went to shit as it went on.
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>>136814175
It was shit from the beginning, but it had such a following that it got talked about constantly. Around the time the bunny girls started appearing it was a complete cringefest.
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>>136812597
>Why stagger the release out of something if the game is already done?
Trying to build suspense and keep a conversation going.

Which only works if your plot is worth being suspenseful and talking about.
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>>136814392
All the suspense around Rising Angels is "is it yuri?" I don't even know what the game is about.
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>>136814175
well everyone would be wrong.
not going to lie, episode 8 is kind of a trainwreck, but I really liked episode 7, personally.
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so, someone going to make the new thread episode?

because I'm about to go out

and interested to see whether a thread will happen or not
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>>136814974
I'll make one as a last resort, but I don't have any /evn/ related images, so it's going to be shit, so someone else should make one before I have to.
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my god, aurocyanide can't draw balanced faces to save her life.
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>>136815143

she should get someone to do her artwork and be a colorist instead, because she has some noticeable anatomy issues.
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>>136802785
I'm surprised noone's said anything about the song yet.
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>>136815143
>balanced
the word you want is proportions. still amazing she churns those out for nano. my sprites take me weeks.
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>>136814175
You go in one corner of the internet, every says that it's objectively the best VN of all time. You go on the other corner, "Everyone seems to agree it went to shit as it went on."

I personally really liked what it became. If you are a fan of simple, straight mystery stories you probably are not going to enjoy it too much, because the story pretty much baits you into thinking it is one. In general, Umineko's story is the polar opposite of "focused" (which doesn't make it instantly shit, but can tick some people off).

If you enjoy "meta"-writing (heavily used to make the plot proceed), thinking about not only about the one mystery in the story but about the mystery genre as a whole (and Umineko's place in it) and you do not mind being misled in ridiculous ways, there is a greater chance of you enjoying it.
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>>136815362
I swear, you people are picky as fuck. Have you guys even seen the Danganronpa CGs? Or half the VNs out there, Japanese and English alike? No one has perfect art. That anatomy puts Danganronpa anatomy to shame.
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