/simg/ - Simulation Games General

First for BMS best sim

Second for f-16 landings being too hard

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Third for MK82S

>>136123826
how bad can you be?

>>136122869
So, like, uh, you know, instead of this whole DCS Vs BMS mumbo jumbo, why can't we all just play both ?

>>136124550
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>136124550
>why can't we all just play both ?
I do, don't you?

>>136124618
It is the mustard race, after all.
Tigers NEVER

>>136124550
Once I finish learning the MiG-21 I'll move onto BMS. Missions sounds cool as fuck, I just don't have a HOTAS and I worry I'll get lost in all those menus.

>>136122869
Diaram- oh wwait, wrong general.
<<Aris- wait, that's not right either ?
STANDING ON T- fucking damn it.
What's our official bump ?

>>136125101
Filthy Migger keep moving, this is a WESTERN AIRCRAFT.

>>136125101
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShUzi96Crv4
MiG-21 to F-16

>>136129056
Those conformal tanks are disgusting

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Who /neverleavedamagedplane/ here

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>>136131854
I always go down with the ship. I actually have pretty terrible judgement when it comes to whether I should eject so I usually just die instead.

>>136132103
I know when to leave the plane, but as long as the sucker is controllable I'm flying it back home safe

>>136135308

What the fuck is that on the left MFD? a fucking iceberg?

>>136135787
Yes

Artic ops when?

>>136135897

what this nigga tryin do start global warming?

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>>136132103
>fly M-2000C
>get R-73'd after running out of all missiles, cannon ammo, and on fumes
>missing a chunk of wing, my nose, and holes fill the rest of the plane
>it still flies fairly well, just have to counter the asymmetry
>plane that shot me creeps up until it's within a couple hundred meters, then guns me down

FUCKING EDGELORD AI.

>>136122998
Okay, but why does it say;

Digital Combat Simulator World (DCS World) is a free-to-play digital battlefield, focusing on military aircraft simulation. It includes a FREE TF-51D and an Su-25T attack aircraft.

http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/world/alpha/
Does this means that all modules have to be re-purchased for 2.0? Or are there new modules for 2.0?

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REEEOOOO

DE TCHANEIIIIROOO

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>>136138176
2.0 is the new version of DCS, it is currently in alpha whilst the Georgia map is ported to the new terrain engine and therefore only has the NTTR terrain for now.

When that is complete, 1.5 & 2.0 will merge into one version with the free Georgie map & the payware NTTR on one .exe.

All your modules are usable on both versions and don't / won't need to be re-bought.

>>136139248
Okay, so right now I can try the new terrain for free in the Alpha while they are porting the east block-map to a new engine, but when the engine and 2.0 is finished I will have to pay for the new sand/NA terrain?

Then why are people saying it cost too much, when it's free right now? Okay, maybe in the future it will cost too much, but not right now, if it's free, right?

>>136140741
Sand is basically an alpha test/preorder right now.

You have to pay to fly on Nevada.

>>136140741
Sand is $60 and has always been $60. You must buy it if you want to play the 2.0 alpha and you can only play it on the alpha. You can play the georgia map for free on 1.5 stable or 1.5 beta. Eventually DCS stable will be upgraded to 2.0 and both maps will be playable on the same 2.0, but Georgia will still be free and sand will still be $60 or possibly more.

>>136143105
It was actually 40-something bucks for a while last year.

>Want to play DCS
>Get error message "Failed to start game (missing executable)
>Follow instructions on Steam website
>Boot back up
>Same error message
>whatthefuckcomrade.png

I'm reinstalling, hopefully that fixes it, at the expense of burning another set of DLC keycode activations. This is why we can't have nice things.

>>136145672
Just don't use steam. You can install all your steam modules on the regular game.

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ded

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>>136152553
Seriously guys it shouldn't be this dead yet

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What's a good site that hosts well designed custom missions for BMS?

I want to get back into BMS but I don't want to put up with the campaign AI sending me either straight through 20 sam sites or CAP missions where nothing happens.

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>>136155612
it ded tho

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So who space here?

So which plane has the highest climb rate, I'm a professional bnz (read that up, here: http://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=Boom_and_Zoom) and I would like to buy an aircraft.

Also can I use only my mouse? Thanks.

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>>136157863
>Jet fighters
>boom and zoom

>>136158375
Korea happened mang.

>>136160330
MiG-15 in that case

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>>136157863
>I'm a professional bnz
>(read that up, here: http://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=Boom_and_Zoom)
>Also can I use only my mouse?

That's like the perfect bait post. I'm glad I decided to check /simg/ today.

So which meme has the highest kek rate, I'm a professional memer (read that up, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme) and I would like to buy a meme.

Also can I use only my paper to draw? Thanks.

So which gun has the highest fire rate, I'm a professional Navy SEAL (300 confirmed Al-Qaeda kills, read that up, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_SEAL) and I would like to buy a gun.

Also can I use only my BB bullets? Thanks.

These are very, very poor memes that I'm convinced are here because some idiot linked /wtg/

>>136165159
must be a slow day

>>136165159
No, it's because the question is retarded as fuck.

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>>136165247
>the question
>he took the fucking retard bait

Jesus christ

>>136165213
Every day is a slow day in this ghost town of a thread.

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>>136165697
yeah because faggots like you who don't sim are in it.

>>136165697
Well between the shitposts and niche market of simmers what do you really expect from this shithole?

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why are coaxial rotors so unpopular? I realise the increased mechanical complexity is a disadvantage, but it seems strange that Kamov is essentially the only ones to use the design, despite the seeming success they've had with it

also Ka-27 when ;_;

>>136166020
Helicopters are already spending every moment trying to fall out of the sky, you want to add MORE things that could fail into it?

>>136155760
Just frag your own packages, it's not that hard.
Disable AI tasking for whatever squadron you're flying in, right click what you want to attack/defend/whatever, add package.

>>136166020
In the US at least, they were never pursued in military endeavors due to safety concerns, namely that counter-rotating blades could collide due to flexing torsion under hard or unusual maneuvers, which humorously led them to pursuing canted rotors and other weird shit that was actually more dangerous to fly.

we totally still had a few though https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrodyne_RON_Rotorcycle

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So I'm working on a new op.

Does anyone from Australia play DCS ops? Would a 250-300ms connection be unplayable?

>>136168470
aw yiss
If you need help, hit Ivan (me) up in the teamspeak.

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>>136168658
>Would a 250-300ms connection be unplayable?


c'mon my man what do you think?

>>136168837
I'll probably be good, I'm the same guy who made the CSAR op along with a bunch of others.

>>136168658
We have at least one other Aussie and he seems to do fine so I think you're good.

>>136168958
t. someone who's never played above 100ms

>>136168958
>>136169024
Thanks, cant wait to teleport into people during formation takeoffs

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>>136169850
Had this happen the other night, the motherfucker was literally transporting in front of me and behind me and the plane would do some angled dive into the ground during takeoff and flight

>>136123936
sexy, can't wait to do this in the f-5

Whats the purpose of using high drag munitions?

>>136156480
>Su-27
>not MiG-25

baka desu senpai

>>136170606
Fly over the target to drop the bombs ,not get hit by thouse bombs on egress .

>>136170725
Oh, I thought it would be something fancier like altering the projectile arc to a steeper dive or something.

>>136170787
I mean, it does that too. Kills the horizontal velocity.

>want to get into DCS
>closest I've gotten to sim is easymode version of BoS for an hour or two

How hard is it to get into DCS

>>136171874
most of it is rote memorization

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>>136168837
>>136168470
So I'm thinking of adding a few extra flyables to this op for added entertainment.

There's a Russian Flyables mod that adds: the following (disregarding the 6 non-combat aircraft it adds):
>MiG-23MLD
>MiG-25PD
>MiG-27K
>MiG-31
>Su-17M4
>Su-24M
>Su-30
>Su-34

All these sound great but the mod is kinda shit and many of the cockpit placements are retarded, so I'm going through and modifying them myself so they are actually functional. For example in the Su-24 its impossible to see the SHVAL in the HUD Repeater screen in the Su-27 cockpit it uses so I changed the position so its visible again.

Anyway, probably only going to add an Su-24 or 2 and maybe something else, depending on what people want. The Su-24 will mainly be for pinpoint strikes and SEAD called for by the choppers.

And I know you're gonna say something like:
>required mods
>REEEEE

But this isn't required and frankly an A-10C or Su-25T will probably do a much better job but its fun to fly something that isn't one of the currently available modules.

Also I'll probably start adding more stuff like this to ops because frankly I'm getting bored of waiting around for more modules to come out.

Download to come soon™

>>136173151
This is like taking FC3 shit, simplifying it even more, and using a garbage flight model ontop of it. Go play the arcade flight games if you want a million aircraft to fly with shit flight dynamics.

>>136124550
>Playing both
>Playing DCS
Yeah, how about no?

>>136171874
about as hard as picking your nose

>>136174262
So what? No one is forcing you to fly it. And the avionics are exactly the same as FC3 so there's no simplification there. Sure the flight models are shit, but it's fun to fly something different sometimes.

Who shit in your cheerios so hard that you dislike free additional content?

>>136174836
>BUT ITS FUN
>GUISE WE ARE JUST HAVING FUN
>WE ARE DA BOYZ XDD

>>136174836
>using existing cockpits
>using existing flight models
>its new and exciting guys

>>136175005
>>136175073
Holy fuck this level of autism and shitposting is too fucking high for me.

>>136175414
>people disagree with me?
>AUTISM!!11!11!!!!11
no anon, it is you who is the autist

>>136175450
>make free mod for community using available content
>spergs lash out for it not being the same quality as a full DCS module

I don't even know how to respond.

>>136175807
>I don't care xD
compelling argument

>>136175807
>Nigel

So you're the nigel poster on wtg

Avatarfagging is against the rules you know

>>136175648
>make free mod for community using available content
>people point out its utter trash
>HURRR ENTITLED SHITS

>>136176142
But no one's forcing you to use it

>>136176183
No shit, but
>people point out its utter trash
then you threw your toys faggot

>>136176045
>posting 1 image
>AVATARFAG HURRDURR

>>136175648
Just put in the mission you faggot.

Are they making a mission?
No
Do they get to chose?
No

>>136176449
>posting 1 image
>1 image

No, Nigel. You've posted far more than that.

>>136176470
I fully intend to, just don't understand why some people are so hostile towards a fucking free mod holy christ.

>>136176619
what's the interaction between a modded server for non-modded clients?

>>136176613
Really? Look around, how many nigels do you see in this thread?

>>136176680
It works the same way as when you see someone flying a module you don't own. You see the aircraft and everything but can't slot into that aircraft without the mod.

>>136148913
I got all of it through Steam, does that matter?

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>>136156480
Always

>>136177124
Steam keys are usable on Standalone, but standalone keys are not usable on Steam.

>>136176619
The people shitting on that probably don't even play DCS, and probably don't even play ops, so their "input" is irrelevant.

Me personal i woudln't use those, the double cockpit stuff is something that i really don't like, but if someone wants to they can go crazy.

looks like the bmsfags finally left.
TIME TO MAKE THIS THREAD GREAT AGAIN

>>136178847
>bms leaves the thread
>thread goes to shit

hmmmm wonder what happened here

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F-16 ugly plen

>>136179039
You shut your whore mouth.

What's the point of putting the F-16 radar altimeter to standby? Does it have a limited operation time? Does it make you show up on RWR?

>>136179645
How to enable radar altimeter?

>>136179645
>putting the F-16 radar altimeter to standby?
With the switch in OFF the radar altimeter is inoperative. In STBY the radar altimeter is placed in standby mode (used on the ground to avoid frying your crew-chief)

>>136179645
emission control

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A Ukrainian Su-27 shows off the famous Russian maneuver 'The Airshow Special'.

>>136181097
you

also back to wgg

>>136181097
>any airshow ever
>russian planes always crash
very impressive i dare say

>>136181267
>>136181097
A Russian airshow without at least three deaths is considered a dull affair.

>>136179869
Big white switch right of your stick top row far right one (normally is in down position) 2 rows down 2 from left switch controls the radar alt modes

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never ever

>>136181918
Nobody wants that shit, the F/A-18C on the other hand....

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>>136182008
I want what I can get, and the F-5 is more or less guaranteed to be out first half of this year. The F-18 is technically chalked in for 2016, but if I had to pick a date I'd guess New Years Eve.

>>136181436
>enabled radar alt
>stops working below 1000ft
???

>>136182008
Nobody wants that shit, the Po-2 on the other hand...

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Step aside animals!
God's plane coming through!

>>136182160
you might be exceeding the pitch and bank limits for it.

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http://defence.pk/threads/f-16-vs-f-18-a-navy-test-pilots-perspective.169261/

>>136182160
Works on my plane :^)

>>136173151

Shit nigga am I gon have to buy Sand? We doin sand ops now?

>>136168837
Please kill yourself, /Simg/ needs no shitters like you. Go play ace combat.

>We are very happy to announce that the F-15C will receive an overhaul and become a fully simulated model. Please understand that this means the FC3 model of the plane will be retired.
104TH FAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>136184394
I wish.

>>136184394
Is that before or after the B-1B?

>>136184394
I don't understand, I thought they already have done this. That's why F-15C can be bought as an individual module.

>>136184802
>wanting to fly the most boring aircraft
As much as I love the design of that aircraft ....Go kill yourself

>>136184958
No they haven't, that's why the individual F-15 is so much cheaper than everything else and is called 'F-15C for DCS World' rather than DCS:F-15C.

>On July 19, 2013, the San Mateo County Coroner's office confirmed that the girl was still alive prior to being run over by a rescue vehicle, and was killed due to blunt force trauma.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiana_Airlines_Flight_214

>>136185061
How exactly does someone tell if the FM is wrong or not? What exactly do people expect with a better FM?

>>136185562
The FM of the F-15 is fine, by all accounts it's very good. By full module people mean full systems modeling.

>>136185562
Not seeming like it's on scripted rails is the biggest factor. Meeting performance numbers is the other part that's more the realm of autists.

>>136185676
>scripted rails
Is there tests or known breaks in the FM I can do atm?

>>136185808
There's nothing wrong with the FM atm...

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Don't talk to me or my son ever again.

>>136181918
soon

>>136185854
I thought you were talking in general. The F-15s flight model is fine and arguably one of the best in DCS depending in how seriously you take the term PFM. Fly the MiG-29 or Su-33 if you want an example of a plane with a shitty flight model. Their ground handling and transition between on the ground and in the air are especially weird because the whole thing is scripted.

>>136185808
The FM is excellent, if you are a super autist you may notice some edge of envelope nitpicks.

>>136186313
Because they haven't had their flight models updated yet, is this hard to understand?

That's why they aren't sold as separate modules, when they get FM updates they will be sold separately as well.

I want to start FSX again but I don't want to fly without a purpose. Has anyone tried FSEconomy?

>>136186994
I'm not sure what you're trying to argue anymore. Of course they're old and shitty, it's why I used them as an example of what an old and shitty flight model is like.

The F-15C flight model is perfectly fine.

https://sites.google.com/site/fseoperationsguide/expansion/groups

Well this sounds good. /kspsimg/ group when

>>136185039
>Supersonic low flying aircraft doding avoiding radar and dodging entire fighters
>Boring

No, you kill yourself.

>>136190198
take a hard look at yourself to find the answers you seek

>>136190198
It's because of Ivan. He is arguably the #1 shitposting instigator.

>>136191008
Can't wait for PFM so you fags can't do that anymore.

>>136189915
Okay... may your dreams come true then

>>136191008
>about to install dcs
>see this
>decide to never install dcs
realistic simulator my ass

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LNs maps can't come soon enough, even if they're tiny.

>>136192147
>things that never happened

>>136191184

>can't wait till you guys can't do dumb shit for fun in my super serious simulator

Lmfao how dumb do you sound. How do you get angry over something like this.

I don't even fly those planes.

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>it's 2016 and BMS menu is still hardcoded to 1280*1024
a simulation of terrible design more like :^)

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>>136192768
/simg/ is full of 'stop liking what I don't like' players.

I mean, I love to go full autist once in a while but my eyes don't pop out if I see someone in a Su-33...

>>136192994
>there are people who still haven't figured out how to put in menu in windowed mode.

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>>136193052
>4k monitor
>tiny baby window

>>136193367
is this a conspiracy to discredit Nigel farage or something. fuck off

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>F/A-18C FUCKING WHEN
>MARINE CORPS AVIATION FUCKING WHEN

>>136193867
I think Nigel Farage just has the perfect resting exasperation/annoyed/disappointed face.

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>>136194060
F-14B
F/A-18C
A-6E
A-7E

Carrier aviation strike packages when?

>>136194317
>A-6E
>A-7E

Holy shit is that just wishful thinking or is somebody actually working on a Corsair II and an Intruder?

>>136194654
Razbam are waiting on EDs air to ground radar for them both. afaik their A-7 was planned to be the next module after Mirage but with no A2G radar from ED it will probably be the Night-attack Harrier or Tucano now.

>>136138254
god this is so fucking ugly
I have no idea how I was able to put up with such shit textures in the past

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>>136156480
what kind of space we talking about

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>>136196749
>implying we went anywhere
There is no /bmsg/, it's just that there's nothing BMS related to talk about unless ops are happening.

>>136195987
>Freelancer
Fuck that game was so good. Especially with mods.

>>136194317
>Straight of Hormuz map
>Tanker War, 1987-1988

Background: Iranian aircraft have hit and sank one US Frigate, damaged another, and sank two Kuwaiti oil tankers two days previously. In order to protect the tankers and allied naval forces in the Persian Gulf, the US launches Operation Righteous Fury.

>BLUFOR: Flying F-14Bs, F/A-18Cs, A-6E Intruders from two carriers must strike Iranian land- and sea-based A2A and A2S missile platforms (both shore installations and ships), airfields, and CnC and communications posts.
>REDFOR: Flying F-14Bs (for balance) and F-5s, with AI F-4 Phantom II's for balance as needed. REDFOR must defend its airfields and CnC facilities while attempting to sink the US carriers.

FUCK can it be a year from now already?

>>136198996
I guess it you wanted to have the factions F-14s be different, you'd have USN F-14B with AIM-7M and the Iranians go full retard with the AIM-54A on their F-14As

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>>136198996

>>136177307
After some testing I decided to go with an outside cockpit of possible, the double cockpit looks weird on most planes.

>>136199942
I'd be okay with sacrificing a LITTLE realism for the sake of a balanced mission, hence giving the Iranians the -B when historically they only had -As at the time. The question is balancing a mission like that.

It might actually work better if the human players on the OpFor side act more like aggressor pilots, where their job is not necessarily to "win" the mission but rather provide more of a challenge to the US side than the AI could provide.

>>136200709
It's only really the human pilots that will care about the different between A & B I think, the AI will likely treat them identically since most of the improvements the A+/B offered are abstracted when the AI flies the jet.

Do the Iranians have any MiG-21bis? Perhaps captured from the Iraqis like their Mirage F1 fleet.

>>136201004
All I can find is this:

>The Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF) was formed from the Imperial Iranian Air Force (IIAF) after the Islamic Revolution of 1979 that ousted Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlevi. During and after the war with Iraq, which raged from September 1980 to August 1988, Iran tried to rebuild its stock of aircraft and in 1989 purchased 12 MiG-21 PFs and a number of MiG-21 UMs from East Germany but the aircraft were impounded at the repair plant in Dresden and none were delivered. (Some sources suggest 2 arrived in Iran but this is doubtful.) Photos exist of a MiG-21 PF and a MiG-21 UM wearing green/tan desert camouflage but no insignia whatsoever.

>18 Chengdu F-7Ms were ordered in 1985 and delivered in 1987; some sources suggest the number was 21. Additionally, four Guizhou FT-7 trainers were procured at the same time. Understandably there was great secrecy about this order as China was already supplying large numbers of F-7s to Iraq.

>Based at TAB 5, Umidiyeh, they serve with 51, 52 and 53 Tactical Fighter Squadrons and wear tan/bluish grey camouflage. No confirmation has been found for a story in circulation suggesting that 12 were successfully used in the Iraqi war thanks to their similarity to the enemy’s MiG-21 s, nor that a further 100 were subsequently ordered.

>However, the delivery in 1993 of 18 F-7Ns and seven FT-7 trainers, and five more in 1996 have been recorded.

>It has also been suggested that the Air Force wing of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) also use this fighter.

http://www.aviatia.net/military-aircraft/iran-mig-21/

So....maybe?

>>136201341
Well maybe not even "maybe", but I wonder if the F-7M and the MiG-21bis are comparable enough that the MiG can serve as a stand-in without seeming out of place.

I hope we get at least one airbase quite deep inside Iran in the SoH, sort of like Tonopah AFB when it makes its way into NTTR,

>>136201805
>the last gunfighter
>high speed lawn dart interceptor
They're pretty different senpai

>>136201805

F-7Ms are very basic, only a ranging radar and no RWR

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>>136202579
Wow I feel really stupid right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJH64Xd-hkc&feature=youtu.be
>HAWK still looks like ass
>Worst seeker growl I've ever heard in DCS, why they didn't just ask ED for their A-10C sound I have no idea.

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>>136202579
F-7M meaning Chengdu F-7 (now called a J-7 for some reason).

>>136202657
Would throwing a MiG-21Bis in with F-14s and F-5s against F-14s, F-18s, and A-6s be unbalanced? I'm not nearly as concerned with historical accuracy as I am with mission balance.

>>136205082

If you're so concerned give Iran some Mig-29s.

They basically recieved all of Iraq's airforce during the 1991 Gulf War. That includes Mig-29s, Su-25s, and Mig-21s.

If you wanted it to be historically accurate, just set the mission after 1991, and make sure you use Mig-29A, not S.

>>136206032
Actually thats a pretty good idea.

>US CBG steaming through Strait of Hormuz into Persian Gulf to help enforce post-Gulf War No Fly Zones over Iraq.
>US escort frigate attacked enroute because "muh territorial waters", in response US fighters shoot down a few IRIAF fighters approaching the CBG
>After entering Persian Gulf, Iran announces it will not allow the CBG to transit the Strait to exit the Persian Gulf, essentially trapping the CBG in the Gulf.

>Scenario: US CBG is at the far left of the map, must transit safely through Strait. Iran must not allow US CBG through strait without causing significant damage.
>US: F-14B, F/A-18C, A-6E, A-10C based in UAE, KC-135 out of UAE
>Iran: F-14A, MiG-29A, MiG-21Bis, Su-25, KC-135 (stand-in for IRIAF 707s).

>>136207230
What kind of retard country attacks a US ship?

>>136205082
Depends if it's a purely PvP mission, itf it's versus AI then the balancing is done via numbers not equipment. And as >>136206032 said, in a 90s scenario the Iranian AF inventory is hugely wide ranging and includes more or less everything we have in DCS.

>>136177223
Well, that limits my ability to get sand.

Thankfully the reinstall worked, and I didn't need to reactivate the modules I already have. Still no idea why it did it in the first place.

>>136205082
If the mission maker is wise about it and has the 21s & F-5s flying ambush style tactics of course they're a threat to A-6s and even bomb laden F-18s if they make it to the merge.

>>136206032

Forgot to add the Mirage F1, if that is really on the horizon for DCS.

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>>136195987
IS THAT SOME FUCKING FREELANCER?!

I wish they made a new one. Elite Dangerous is fun, but it's so damn empty, and it can feel clinical and detached.

>>136208561
I dont think Microsoft even knows they own the license.

>>136198996

>Straight of Hormuz

Someone post the picture of the F-14s flying next to the oil fire smoke shit. Coolest picture.

Also what are the chances they model that effect? 0% probably, but it would be fucking amazing.

Wake Turbulence affecting clouds and smoke fucking when. Russian devs love their graphixs

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>>136208561
>tfw Freelancer 2 never ever

Feels bad man, at least I have No Man's Sky to look forward to.

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>>136209407

>>136210067
Just don't get your hopes too high. There's a lot of reason to be suspicious about that game.

Somebody really needs to make a Freelancer 2 or remake it with modern shit. I could gush about Freelancer for hours. Its such a great game and its multiplayer was so much fun.

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>>136210480

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>>136210067
I have a funny feeling No Man's Sky is going to be empty as fuck and will have a metric fuck-ton of repetition in its fifty-bazillion worlds. It looks like it has the potential to be Spore 2.

Anyway, back to plens. Anyone else hype as fuck for this thing? I fly Robinson helicopters IRL and the idea of finally getting a tiny egg to scoot around and blow shit up with tickles me pink

>>136211656
Just remember

>NO GROUND STABILIZATION

>tfw bored of SU in DCS
>Too cheap to buy more than one plane
What get?

>>136212657
FC3?

>>136212657
If you want value for money get the Ka-50 or A-10C, both have plenty of systems to learn and content to play.

>>136212846
Are there any drawbacks to FC3 versus the other planes that cost just as much as the pack? I can't imagine it being that cheap without reason.

>>136212878
>A-10C
I'm really debating this one. Dat glorious BRRRRT

>>136213691
The FC3 planes are not full fidelity modules. They are like the free Su-25T.

All the other full price modules that have names in the style of DCS:'name' are study sims with clickable cockpits and fully modeled systems.

>>136213691
they are like the SU, no clickable cockpits and simpler systems modeling, of course on the su25A and A-10A it doesn't matter much.

>>136213691
The planes' systems aren't as complex, and afaik only the F-15C has a PFM, the Su-27/33 and MiG-29 are still SFM.

>>136211798

You might as well have your copilot fire a rpg out the window

>>136214057
t.F-15 Fag

the su-27 has a PFM.

>>136214057

Su-27 also has PFM. A-10A has PFM identical to that of A-10C.

Su-25 has the AFM, which is modified from that of the Su-25t

>>136214057
>>136214014
>>136213924
>no clickable cockpits
Fukken dropped. Literally my favorite part of FSX.

A-10C it is.

>>136214235
Funnily enough the 25s have the best damage modeling out of any plane in DCS.

>>136214057
>>136213691
FC3 planes flight models are as follows:

PFM: (professional fight model based on input from pilots who've flown the plane for real)
F-15C
Su-27

AFM: (advanced flight model based on a variety of sources from official documents to fluid dynamics simulations)
A-10A
Su-25
Su-25T

SFM: (standard flight model that the engine automatically generates based on the aircraft's 3d model, these aircraft are scheduled to receive a PFM in future)
Su-33
MiG-29
MiG-29S

>>136214556
Gee it's really hard to be correct isnt it?

A10A is PFM

>>136214696
Source?
I've heard people say the A & C use the same FM but I haven't ever seen ED say that and it certainly doesn't feel like it.

>>136214556
>>136214696
Guys just post a link to the thread on the forum that explains the flight models and be done with it.

>>136214556
>standard flight model that the engine automatically generates based on the aircraft's 3d model, these aircraft are scheduled to receive a PFM in future

Nope. SFM is based on performance sheets and scripting when you depart the flight envelope. Basically like any other early 2000s flight sim.

>>136214696

Straight from ED

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=122801

>>136214862
>and it certainly doesn't feel like it.
What are you a Aeronautics engineer?
It is PFM though

DCS aircraft have PFM

>>136214862
It would make sense, given that the only differences between the A & C are systems and avionics. The airframes and engines are the same.

>>136214696
It's kind of embarrassing watching you try and correct people who are right.

http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/a-10a_dcs_world/

>Features:
>Advanced Flight Model (AFM)

It got it in 2013 afaik.

>>136215078
>What are you a Aeronautics engineer?
Yes.

>>136215095
PFM involves systems modeling with it as well.

The a10A having some of the stuff removed from the A-10C bumps it down to AFM/+.

since dual stage trigger doesn't work on the A-10A for example

>>136215396

>The a10A having some of the stuff removed from the A-10C bumps it down to AFM/+.

Not how it works. Systems modeling is classified separately from flight modeling.

See >>136215072

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>>136214696
You should really learn to read before you act so smug.

>>136214927
my bad famalam

>>136215559
But the A-10C has
• Realistic simulation of Flight Control, CAS and Autopilot systems.
• Realistic simulation of Hydraulics, Fuel, Electrical, Engine and other systems influence flight characteristics.

The A10A doesn't

>>136216331
I dont understand why they wouldn't just copy/paste the Hydraulic and Engine systems simulation from the C, literally the only difference between the A & C is the avionics and electronics systems. The "nuts and bolts" are all the same.

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Anyone wants to fly hard dprk bms ?

>>136216331
Which would all full under Advanced SYSTEMS modeling like the A-10C has. Flight model is measured categorized separately.

>>136217126
>• Realistic simulation of Flight Control, CAS and Autopilot systems.
>• Realistic simulation of Hydraulics, Fuel, Electrical, Engine and other systems influence flight characteristics.

That is part of the PFM

Does the vanilla campaign in BMS get harder after the first day? All of the Nork air defense was BTFO in the first day and now it seems to just be bombing whatever I want freely.

So why haven't the guys at BMS formed an LLC or something to bring a dynamic campaign and/or the F-16 to DCS? They have to know they'd make a shitload of money off that. Are they really all "Free as in Freedom #Bernie2016" linux people?

>>136217245
The A-10A has an AFM and simplified systems. There is no argument or ambiguity here. If you have issues with what defines those terms then take it up with ED where they will be happy to not give a shit what anybody thinks.

Kira pls b in 104th later tonight

you too Fin.

>>136217660
I'm talking about the A-10C it was implied that it doesn't have PFM which it does.

The A10A doesn't have those things mentioned above

>>136217307
Once chinks join in it gets a bit more fun ,but they get overrun quite fast . Vanilla theater in general is just too east

>>136217746
Kira pls b in oodnoo

>>136217746
>>136218179

O O D N O O
O
D
N
O
O

>>136217457
Because they neither wrote nor own the code for BMS' dynamic campaign, that shit belongs to whoever owns the rights to falcon now.

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>>136221738
I WANT IT I NEED IT

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>>136221738
I

NEEEEED

IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

Is it possible to do radio navigation in the su25t?

>>136225740
>labels
Reminder that this is what DCSbabbies look like

>>136225740
That's hardly the worst I've seen a UH-1H get and make it back home

>>136229597
Staying low and fast helps a lot
>>136229504
It was an instant generation mission, so it would have been impossible to find the action without labels

A-10 theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCVmPffxDkU

>>136234042
>I don't need an airspeed meter because I've got a calendar

kek

>>136234042

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m7W9_kUy_I

*BRRRRRRT*

"PULL UP! PULL UP!"

"Gah, I really hate my job."

>>136234042
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=335GdTqtyLs
BMS Superiority confirmed . DCS fags BTFO

>>136129056
ay man, thats the airbase i was stationed on. lots of foreign planes in and out there

>meanwhile over at /fit/
>>>/fit/36494357

>>136234042
Damn, this is hilarious.

>tank on my six
>speedbrakes
>hard shakes
>kill him when he overshoots

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>>136235718
HEALTHY
AT
EVERY
SIZE

>>136237538
>thouse curves
MMM that`s hot

BMS 4.33.1 INBOUND

http://www.bmsforum.org/forum/showthread.php?26408-4-33-1-will-release-shortly-what-you-need-to-know-and-how-to-be-prepared

Long story short you'll need a legit patched copy of Falcon 4.0 maybe, anyway.

The next release which will be version 4.33.1 incorporates two kinds of changes:

1. Fixes and updates to the Falcon BMS content based on bug reports and other inputs to the team; and
2. Some changes specifically related to the agreement with Tommo.


Its over, they will implement botnet shit into bms so the new copyright owner can datamine you and sell ads
RIP BMS

>>136240556
t. someone who only reads headlines

>Hawk Pilots
http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2720983#post2720983

>Note that presence of a CD [or ISO] copy of the original game will not help you: Falcon 4.0 must be installed correctly and completely on the system for the checks to succeed.

tl;dr Install the game from an iso.

>>136238907
>>136240556
Why even update? Surely after over a decade of work BMS is flawless?

Does buying the rights to a game really give you the right to shit all over a user made mod for no reason? Do they really hope to squeeze a few more sales out of an ancient game? I don't play BMS or know in depth the whole situation with this new publisher but it sounds like a bunch of copyright vulture bullshit.

>>136241540
> I don't play BMS or know in depth the whole situation with this new publisher

The people who own the rights just want BMS players to use legit copies rather than pirated ones. This sits perfectly well with the attitude of benchmark sims, they didn't have to make BMS require an original F4.exe after all.

>>136241042
>/simg/ autists

Any of you BMS guys know why my FCR in A-A mode only scans from -99 to -99 altitude?

I tried resetting the radar antenna and everything but the damn thing doesn't want to point up.

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>>136241951
Are you trying to make a point?

>>136242073
Do you have it bound to an axis? It might be on an axis that's at zero. Axis commands will override any key inputs.

>>136241836
But it was already required and the check for owning a legit copy was extremely easy to bypass. Now they added a new more obnoxious requirement which is slightly less easy to bypass. It seems like a waste of time and effort by a big company just to squeeze a few pennies out of some people who just want to play their damn 20 year old game in peace. It's not like they're offering to make BMS a better game or help out the benchmark sims team or anything.

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>>136242073
setup->advanced
Check what it is bound to

>>136242435
>>136242693
Thanks guys, it was bounded to my Logitech F310 gamepad for some reason.

>>136242886
I would recommend unplugging any unnecessary usb controllers/gamepads before launching BMS cause the game tends to default to the wrong thing and fuck up the controls

>>136240556
so /simg/ just doesn't upgrade and everyone can keep playing the same BMS since it wasn't broken to begin with. Where is the problem?

>>136240556
>they will implement botnet shit
No it's just a bugfix patch in agreement with Tommo that says you have to have the full game installed to mod it with BMS vs before when it was an easy workaround to install BMS.

>Tfw you're just "too good" for a group.
>Tfw Theyre having fun playing in standart KTO ,while dogfighting 21s just seem so booring to me .

I feel like I make their missions too trivial and ruin their fun.

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>>136246941

>>136246941
sure thing bud :^)

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Post plane aesthetics

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>>136242096
yeah you're an autist for caring about what other people do and how they get their fun, especially considering there's nothing remotely strange about that forum post besides the large font

feel free to kill yourself whenever btw

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>>136248025
That's disgusting. Also the Concorde was supposed to be painted all white to keep it cool at high speeds, that Pepsi paintjob was the only livery that wasn't primarily white and I think that plane wasn't allowed to cruise at full speed for extended periods of time.

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>>136249381
But the aesthetics, famzilla

>>136249381
>Flight engineer station

One foot in the past

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>>136231224
The Huey is shockingly hard to kill, it's made out of pure American freedom

>>136255010
i like how half of all slav aviation pics online are either drawn or cgi

MAPLE SYRUP OPS ARE GO

GET IN TS

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>>136195987
All kinds.

>>136257327
Shit son, whats your colour matrix?

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>>136255703
Reminder that the Concorde first flew in 1969, has been retired for over 10 years, and yet it still has not been matched.

>>136260305
reminder that if there were demand for a supersonic passenger jet, it would've been made by now

the concorde was nothing more than an engineering exercise for eurocucks to remain relevant in the aero industry

>>136258226
Wouldn't be able to tell you anymore. you wouldn't want to use it anyway, all of the radar element colors are very washed out and hard to distinguish from eachother.

>>136261223
This. Airlines make way more dosh filling a A380 or 747-800 than charging higher rates for concorde

>>136262198
>>136261223
There was demand for it, but in the US, Canada and UK it was deemed too hard on ground structures so other designers were pressured away from it. No clue why it never happened in the East, but I'd assume it toppled a couple of commie blocs or something.

>>136262198
make more dosh with 777s and 787s than huge half-empty 4-engine 747s, actually.

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>>136262557
The Concorde was hemorrhaging money on every flight well before that one big accident that irreparably tarnished its reputation, and the fact that going supersonic over land is both illegal in the US and Europe, as well as extremely ill-advised, limited the airports it could land at severely.

>>136263551
yes, and the legality that limited it's destinations was also caused by the same testing that determined more supersonic airliners was hard on infrastructure. the loss of money from the concorde has a lot of reasons but largely it's that the airframe was too expensive to maintain. I'd assume that it might even out or be profitable if you had a whole fleet of them but their entry price was also crazy high.

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Supersonic will make a big comeback thanks to pic related.

>ded

>>136191127
the fuck? how?

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Sure is planes in here.

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>>136269858
Yep.

any ops planned for this weekend?

>>136257327
>>136258226
Custom colors in E:D sound great until you realize it's just a shitty RGB swap and you can't customize colors without having silliness like enemies that are normally red becoming green etc.

>>136278182
except that doesn't happen at all, but okay.

Finally, I can actually start up an A-10C from the ramp and successfully deploy Maverick (including TGP cued) and JDAM. Also improved the key mapping for my shitty joystick+mouse pseudo-HOTAS, now with even moar modifiers. Most importantly, I know what to press instead of cargo culting it. It's a bare minimum but at least not below minimum. So happy because I can actually do stuff in A-10C now. :3

>>136281180
cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjGzHCg3zPQ&feature=youtu.be

GAZELLE ANY DAY NOW

GET HYPE FRIENDOS

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>>136281180
I was pretty happy when I finally figured out how to set up GBU profiles. eventually I'll figure out not doing pic related to the MiG-21 and P-51

Boop

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So after a gorillion times launching DCS over and over, I've edited and fixed the Trackir issues in the following planes for the Russian Flyables mod:

>Su-24M
>Su-17M4
>MiG-27K
>MiG-23MLD
>MiG-25PD
>MiG-31

Download here:
http://puu dot sh/nS0m5/10407de51e.zip

You can also grab my custom loadouts mod here for added enjoyment™ out of aircraft already in DCS.

http://puu dot sh/nS0q9/6d82cc8795.zip

>>136290027
Someone is gonna have a bad day.

>>136290615
They sure are
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp7mM2TP_1A

>>136290815
>that video

TIME FOR SNEAKY SURPRISE ))))))))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55fBmn2y2-s&ab_channel=ArmedForcesUpdate

>>136290815
>>136290971
>tfw the autists at ED forums started arguing how this would never work, and thought it was real.

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>>136256503
Because the ones westerners find are usually made by draw fags, that can't get pictures of the planes.

So basically whatever you say.

>>136290815
>that airfield full of 100's of planes

LOL

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Where did the army air corps get a blackshark?

>mirage v f-16
both are flying at corner velocity

mirage has a turn radius advantage vs the f-16 turn rate, how does the f-16 gain an advantage if the mirage can fit inside the f-16's turn circle?

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>>136290971
The deployment method is a little dumb but at least the rover thing would be halfway viable with rockets. If nothing else, using rail-launched unguided rockets with an inert warhead would waste the time/ammo/tracking space of active defenses, and could totally be aimed with a simple laser rangefinder. Bonus points for in-the-loop EO or silhouette based identification instead of IR or radar.

pic for on-topic

>>136294727
He stays fast and doesn't play the Mirages game, same as if he was fighting an F-18.

Or he can try and get the Mirage to bleed all it's speed with those ridiculous turns it does and then blast around with his superior T:W. The Mirage we have in DCS is actually quite slow at low altitude, in level fight a MiG-21 will pull away from it,

>>136294975
What do you think of nose to tail turns? In theory this should allow the turn rate advantage to get nose first onto the Mirage.

>>136294727
http://www.fighter-planes.com/info/f16.htm
http://www.mirage-jet.com/TURNRA_1/turnra_1.HTM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eiImrT1REak/UW4c4oeGpvI/AAAAAAAACRg/zfu0jsNC-3A/s1600/Mirage+2000+at+15k.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-msOHnX8u22k/UW4c5YRZvzI/AAAAAAAACRs/QC9xg3CErlI/s1600/F-16Blk15+at+15k.jpg

The fact of the matter is that the F-16 can out-turn the Mirage but the mirage can out-juke the F-16. in a gunfight the F-16 would win eventually, turning or burning. the same goes for a mirage in a missile fight. in the case of a missile fight though it comes to the avionics and load-bearing restrictions of the IRIS-T/Magic and AIM-9/120

>>136295372
I'm not actually clued up on what the Mirages AoA & G limits are, all I can comment is that in my anecdotal experience in DCS that thing is ridiculous in how it turns. Not even 90° Cobra turns in the Su-27 can guarantee shaking a Mirage off your tail.

>>136294110
Nigga you dumb, very very dumb.

>>136295615
nigga you can't read.

>>136295649
They bought it for 100$ so Russians could eat for 30 years with that much money.

Here is a newsflash: There is no "balanced" encounters or fights.

In 99% of fights, one side makes a mistake and the other one wins. Turning too soon/too hard. Not spotting the enemy, shit like that. There is no "perfect" matchup. Combat doesn't work that way.

Mirage or F16 doesn't come down to technical specifications. It never does. It's all a series of small or big fuck ups that decide a fight. Every time.

Take your spreadsheets with you on the way out.

>>136295764
>posted as I turn fight at 100 knots

>>136295764
I don't recall ever arguing the semantics of dogfighting, I'm just talking from a purely technical standpoint. If that's to hard to understand, I just might.

>>136294110
I like how these are accaptable to the autists yet the russian huey and a10 are not

Do I stay in all weekend and play sims or do I go deploy on exercise. I actually have the choice this time

>>136297084
>deploy on excercise
What are you gonna do? LARP in the woods with other obese 40yr olds?

>>136299094
>he's not at least in the reserve military

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>>136299134
>reserve military
>relevant in any way

>>136299820
It's better than being a fat autist airsofter

>>136299820
Well if you fight for Israel at least you are payed well. Not that the reserve military is there for fighting, its more for emergencies like floods or shit.

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Rooskie full DCS modules when?

>>136299919
>>136300058
Reserve is for inflating your ego by telling people "I'm in the military!"

>>136301729
>he's not in it for the bants, the drinking and the pretending to be a soldier
I don't kid myself. It's just something fun and that pays me