/ptg/ Pokken Tournament General

>>135935385
>Friendlies code: vgptg
>Friendlies
Can we please use standard competitive terms and not Smash's special snowflake terms. They're casuals, not friendlies.

what are my bnbs as sceptile?

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Chandy is cute

>your opponent disconnected

>>135935594
Braixen is far too sexy

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Reposting
http://strawpoll.me/7141402

Does shadow Mewtwos magical eye actually buff moves or does changing properties just mean it's canceling the move?

>>135935385
>vs code in the op
Thank god I thought you guys were going to forget it

>>135935553
Sorry, I'm not even a Smash guy, and I don't usually make threads.
I would've put "Play with /ptg/ but I hit character limit.

What does the CA in CADC stand for

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>>135935594
>not even actually Chandelure
You don't even love her, do you?

>>135935704
Counter attack

>>135935668
You should have just said VS Code

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To the anon who wanted Machamp doing Bulk Hoagie's earcup thing, I don't believe Machamp does that, at least an entrance. He throws Iron Balls, flexes, and flexes again, but no Hogan taunts.

I'm done for the night.

>>135935102
literally this, there's no reason to get hit by anything dig related unless you have old white man reaction times or you're a zoner in which case hold this dig you piece of shit i enjoy your tears

>>135935553
But they're called Friendlies in the game

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>>135935704
Counter attack as in Counter Attack Dash Cancel
Hold X+A and then hit R plus a direction to move out of it.

>>135935787
The fuck are you talking about

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>Can't tech grabs
>Have to guess whether they're gonna throw out an attack or grab on wakeup

>>135935856
Ranked and Friendly mode of multiplayer
Are you just some shitposter from /fgg/?

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GG, Yui. Probably the best Gardevoir I've ever played. First time ever getting one star.

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>Chandelure flexing after a win

this cadc shit is fucking nuts, I don't think fast enough for this shit

>>135935946
No, just really confused

>>135936269
Oh, that's fine then.

>>135936258
It's the same deal with any other fighting game, you just need to practice.

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>Taunting when winning

>>135936063
Thanks! Were you that Elvis guy?

>>135936384
>Player starts spamming shield when they're close to winning
Why do people feel the need to turn everything into a biggest dick competition?

>>135936384
Does this game even have taunts?

>>135936592
Spamming high/low stance or shield spam counts as taunting

I knew it was a shit idea to walk into this game without having ever played a fighter

>>135936679
I've only ever played skullgirls and an misty shit at it and I'm not doing too bad. I'm sure you'll be fine

>>135936679
fighters are a huge investment. dont let losses discourage you

>>135936640
So it's just kids spamming something and bringing ptg posters to tears?

>>135936568
>widdle pokken babby cant handle a bit of banter
lmao, you thought your child's game was safe then your world was shatter

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>>135936805
Hey friend, you feeling alright?

>>135936568
How pathetic do you have to be to get upset in a kids game by someone doing nothing but shielding over and over

>>135936905
I'm fantastic how bout you?

I can't decide who to main guys. I want one that is rewarding to play as but not annoying to play against. Any suggestions?

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when the burst is just right

tfw laggy zoner with a 2-3 second delay connection

Might as well put the controller down

>>135937050
Anon I love you

>>135937042
Gengar seems like he'd fit fine in those categories

>>135937042
Well, what are you good at/who do you play the most?

>10 fucking mexicans in a row
>all playing fucking zoners with 1 second delay
>ruins my fucking record

Can they put in a system where if your ping is too fucking low you cant fucking play? Like I'm fine against anyone from any other fucking country but seriously that was bullshit

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>Can't decide between Chandelure, Gardevoir, or Gengar

Pick a character is tough.

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Okay, final edit. I uploaded the wrong file.

Enjoy /ptg/. Braixen is next.

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Some of you guys made some pretty cute trainers

>>135937050
WHEN THE DIG IS JUST RIGHT WHEN

>>135937289
If you want to be a cool dude, pick Gengar.
If you're gay or a girl, pick Gardevoir or Braixen if you're a furry or a girl
If you want to be the "no fun allowed, approach and die" guy, pick Chandelure.

>>135937265
fuck i meant too high

>>135936956
It doesn't upset me, it just seems kind of pathetic that they go out of their way to gloat in a kids game

>>135937289
hmmm idk how about all 3 because this is a shallow ass game made for literal babies you fucking dunce

>>135937339
I prefer your braixen rather than the other one that was posted in the previous thread. Yours is more true to the source material.

I love Nia's english dub.
She sounds like a nerdy sweetheart.

ggs peridot
I'm going to go sleep genuinely upset at how shit I've become

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>>135937534
GGs

>>135937524
She sounds like she talks in jump cuts

>>135937230
I've been using Libre in single player, which is a lot of practice albeit against bad AI, but I just don't enjoy the feel of her. Other than that, I've very briefly used all of them but haven't really grown fond of any. Indecision is my biggest problem.
>>135937224
I have yet to try him but I will definitely check him out, thanks anon!

>>135937395
It sounds like them doing that upsets you >>135937447

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>>135935618

ok fuck this, sceptile is not a rushdown. Hes a zoner with a bullshit synergy charge that turns him into a rushdown for a full match

Who are the best players in /ptg/?

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Hey pokken bros this is what I've learned so far day one with the game.

>CADC
>YY EWGF
>Support choice in matchups
>High low stance
>Crossup Updog

What am I missing?

>>135937641
Didn't mean to do second quote. Fuck phone posting.

>>135937696
all me

>>135937696
I hear Anonymous is pretty good

>>135935618
Braixen is cute. CUTE

>>135937645
hes not exactly wrong

>>135937713
Whats YY EWGF

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>>135937787
Indeed

>>135937696
allblue
nanaca or w/e
uhh we got some good gardevoirs

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>>135937353
I really dont know how I could go about that. I'll give it a rough shot and you can tell me how you like it?

Its something like this.

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>>135937787

So cute

I want furries to leave

>>135937930
Not him but that looks great to me

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>>135937996
>genuinely like the Fennekin line
>get grouped in with animal fuckers

Why live

>>135937996
i want you to leave

Braixen is such a fraudulent bullshit pokemon holy shit

tell me why her INSIDE combos do machamp damage

7 FUCKING MATCHES IN A ROW AGAINST THE SAME FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT LAGGY ASS FUCKING MEXICAN FUCK THIS I QUIT

>>135938058
I hate this shit.

>love greninja
>love goodra
>always get grouped with these fucking autistics

Why does pika have so much armor on everything?

>>135938318
TPC demands it

>>135938318
Because you can't have the mascot suck

Who's the asshole character only jerks play?

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>Lose horribly
>Hey, keep up the good work!
I'll fucking pull out your eyes Nia

>>135938689
every character that the mexicans play

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remember when garchomp bullies you into the corner dont let him hit you or grab you or basically dont let him touch you at all and you're good

>>135938689
braixen no fucking doubt the hitboxes on halF HER FUCKIN MOVES IS INSANE

>>135938689
Braixen

>>135938689
Anything with exploitable range

>>135938058
Yep. There's no way I can play braixen around my friends so I'm forced to use gengar instead.

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>>135938749
>Lose horribly
>Looks like my advice paid off

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>Machamp
>Down to no almost no health after getting dunked with a Burst
>Sceptile pussy putting down those seeds in the ground and trying time me out
>no assist, no burst, Bulk Up, final destination
>Full screen cross chop lands for the win

>>135939000
You shouldn't play that type of character with friends anyway. Nobody will be enjoying themselves.

>>135939000
sounds like not good friends if you cant be yourself around them.

>I now have more wins and rank points than any other Shadow Mewtwo in the United States

I don't know if I should be happy or ashamed

>>135939119
He has a full screen move?!

Who is the cutest female trainer in /ptg/?

>>135939330
My secretly male one

>>135939330
nia

>>135938689
Braixen, heres how the match goes
>she pelts you with bs you c an't do shit about in neutral, phase shifts to duel with you a thousand miles away
>you make a read, do some small amount of damage to her
>she touches you once, knocks you the fuck away
>ok w/e, get back in
>go to punish one of her unsafe moves
>turns out it actually wasn't unsafe and you get lit up

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>machamp's damage

I've only fought like one braixen who's done combos.

They where good ones too, didnt know you can follow off the crumple with Up X

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>>135939448
>Nia
>cute
I think a pain in the ass would better describe her

>>135939550
>>go to punish one of her unsafe moves
>>turns out it actually wasn't unsafe and you get lit up
Well that ones your own fault

>>135939550
braixen is fucking stupid, i fought nothing BUT her for my first 17 matches then got a few Chandies. My score is so fucked up now

>>135939610
prepare to be spammed with Nia quotes anon

>>135939695
Funny, I've literally only fought one braixen the entire time I've played this game online

>>135939689
It was hyperbole, point is nothing she does is unsafe. Not a fucking thing

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GGs allblue

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>>135939330
>implying females browse the thread

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>second Pokken major was won by a random japanese dude that barely plays this game

US is free

Mewtwo discord for whoever wants to join:

https://discordapp.com/channels/161370397328015361/161372417426456576

>>135939753
you lucky fucker

>>135939808
GGs, gotta learn how to deal with her as my Power boys.

>>135939801
But she does.

I'm having trouble beating the a rank ferrum league with the spam A with chandelure method any other tips?

>>135939924
>discord
no no no
don't do this
this is how generals get ruined

>>135940014
its time to stop playing video games

>>135940014
mash a harder

Sorry to that one Gardevoir player.
Had to leave.

>>135940039
This

Stick your discord up your ass

>>135940014
switch to braixen
spam fire blast

>>135940078
>>135940039
What's a discord?

>>135940014
Acquire skill.

>>135940127
voip service
Setting one up would only encourage circle jerking

>>135940127
it's cancer
just pure cancer

>>135940127
click it and find out anon :)

Just fought some high ranked sceptile named Gamefile. Guy has like 800 matches.

How do you deal with the seeds he plants in the ground after you get knocked down?

Goichi's tier list:

S+: Gengar, Pikachu
S: Weavile, Suicune, Mewtwo, Machamp, Braixen
A: Garchomp, Shadow Mewtwo, Blaziken
B+: Sceptile, Pikachu Libre, Chandulere, Lucario
B: Gardevoir

>>135940203
I did, it asked for a login

Which pokemon are rushdown characters?

>>135940264
Garchomp, weavile

>>135940250
why do people keep puting pikalibre at mid/low-mid tier? 200+ combos with max synergy and shes the ultimate rushdown

>>135940264
Weavile is the only one I know for certain

>>135940264
Pikachu and Weavile

Weavile you definately need footsies though since 90% of your game plan is throwing down ice shards and going in whenever you get the hit.

>>135940250
What makes gengar so good? I haven't played him yet

>>135940264
Pikachu, Blaziken, and Weavile but Weavile is more Akuma style.

You play the neutral with ice shards and air fireballs but start your Valle face game once you get a hit or find an opening.

>>135940364
> 200+ combos with max synergy
Thats pathetic damage

In terms of rush down tools Libre's stuff is very weak. When Libre was first playable he was a hot debate if he or Gardevoir was worst in the game. If you can't handle Libre pressing buttons in the Field phase then I'm sorry fighting games aren't for you.

Do you ship your trainer with your pokemon?
I do.

>>135940508
Does filling the bar give you more damage

>>135940446
Teleport cancels, has no hitbox in a lot of moves, stupid mixups and zoning, Machamp level damage (just not as easy to get), best mobility in the game.

The teleports off everything is probably the most bullshit, he can vanish and not be touched for a while and come out with a different move. If he does it on an air move he can teleport into the air again or immediately to the ground.

Like one of his most bullshit mixups is doing air special and teleport cancelling the start up and doing a throw. If done early the purple shit of the air special will come out but not the move itself, making the opponent scared to push a button he'll get hit and allowing you to grab without the opponent being in block stun.

>>135940601
>Shipping PokemonXTrainer
>When R Pika is probably the most obvious "is a girl" of the entire cast
T'is a dangerous game you're playing, Anon

>>135940601
No
Yes
I want to be mounted by my suicune

>>135940508
Honestly i haven't fought any decent Libres, I play Mewtwo so counter kinda fucks them over. I just never understood why people put Libre as low as they do

>>135940612
yes, without it then yes the damage ouput is terrible

>>135940364
200+ damage is not alot with max synergy

Machamp, Pikachu, Suicune, Gengar, Shadow Mewtwo, and Garchomp do that damage with no synergy

What are some good combos for weav that aren't the ones already in the dojo?

I can't for the life of me figure something that doesn't involve what amazing things I could do if Ice Punch could be canceled

Which characters have the potential for the longest combo strings?

>>135940754
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBpx_SnZ3Q8

>>135940801
Kicks
Garchomp
R Pika
Weavile

Which characters are the most respectable to play?

>>135940801
longer =/= better, it just hurts your overall damage ouput because of damage scaling

>>135940856
Ryu and Ken

>>135940856
FANG

>>135940875
Is the scaling really that bad?

>>135940807
Man those Synergy Burst combos do not look worth it at all.

>>135940897
>playing easymode shotos
Scruuhb

>>135940925
No meme characters

>>135940965
Yes.

>>135940965
Extremely

>>135940965
hopefully it gets changed

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>>135940250
>scared Pika Libre get nerfed cause all I hear is complaining about her
>see this
>people are realizing how to play so she's not as scary
>low damage output

Don't know what to feel anymore.

Did some testing, this may not be 100% accurate but from what I'm noticing, projectiles can damage an opponent's guard and bring it all the way down to red, but it cannot destroy the guard. You need to use a physical attack to break it. Your guard's health doesn't seem to restore with time. When you get hit, it gets restored back to 100%. There may be other actions that restores it.

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>When you're just spamming one move over and over and you know how you're supposed to get around it but the opponent doesn't so you just keep spamming

guys im actually suicidal. im crying right now actually i haven't been able to go to sleep yesterday but every time that fucking announcer talks shit to me I just lose it. i don't want to listen to it anymore. i know im a punching bag man can we please stop it you're going to kill me and why is grabbing in this game so shit i literally fucking pressed like ten times close in person and i could not grab is it honestly my fault please don't talk shit any more im too weak here and in real life i can't bare it anymore i know im a book people read i am a book

im a book

i get it

im a punching bag i get it

im bad

i get it

>>135941596
You can switch the setting so she doesn't talk

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when the devs sexualize just right

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>>135941710
not as good as this one desu

>>135941749
I already said it wasn't going to be, but some anons wanted it anyway.

Garchomp next.

What's with all the Braixen furfags? I thought Gardevoir was the waifu pokemon.

>>135941697
t-thank you

i can rest in pea

>>135941826
Braixen has more personality, for one

>>135941862
Being hyperactive doesn't mean you have more personality

Well I haven't had a match in around 20 minutes so I guess it's time for bed

>>135941826
We're not on /vp/, Anon. That's the difference between here and there
Here we have Baixenfags
There there have insufferable Gardfags

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>>135942190
I like Gardevoir and I'm not insufferable

>>135942258
No
No, you are

>>135942286
Well I don't think that's a fair accusation, you don't see me posting pictures of Gardevoir while talking about my fetishes.

>>135942374
True. You do bring up a good point
I guess you are right. I judged you unfairly. I apologize
Just because you're a Gardfag does not make you a "Gardfag. I'm sorry, I kind of jumped the gun there

>>135941862
Weavile>Gengar>Garchomp>Braixen
>>135941826
waifu is bottom teir trash
its why no one likes Zelda

>>135942579
Actuall
Weavile>gengar>garchomp>MACHAMP the Braixen
for Personality

Stop posting and start playing. I'm alone in vgptg

>>135942898
But senpai, I'm not good at video games yet

How do you discover combos for your main? How can you tell if it's a true combo, does free training tell you?

>>135942898
>>135942926
Similar situation here, I'm pretty trash.
I'm perpetually sitting around 50% winnrate in friendlies

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So I was watching boogie's stream, and saw a weavile execute a string, which launched his charizard slightly up, and then dash under him and follow up wit fury swipes from behind.

Is that a thing you can do with weavile consistently? it happens at 34:13 in /boogie2988/v/55706506

>>135940965
Absolutely, supers which normally do like 1/3 of your health get scaled down to 1 point (where most characters have around 600 health) of damager per hit if you stick it at the end of a mid-long length combo

>>135942959
Press -.
Set reaction settings to whatever to see if the cpu can act out of your combos

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>>135937353
When the dig is just right

Enjoy anons.

>>135937050
when the blaze kicks connect just right

tfw no pacha Blaziken

>>135940965
It's probably the only flaw the game has other than no throw teching(which becomes trivial once you really get a feel for how grabs work bar Chandelure's ranged grab).

There's very little incentive to go for long combos when you can do short easy combos for double, if not triple the damage, even if the long combo ends with a super. This is what keeps combo heavy characters such as Pikachu and Blaziken(especially Blaziken, jesus christ) out of top tier.

However, Bamco/TPC/Nintendo/whatever might fix it if the competitive scene is large enough while having an outcry to match.

>>135943054
Most of the time you do the zip-zop-fury-swipu-boobity-bow when you get a Night Slash start on a combo, but I'm not really qualified to tell you much else since Hard NPCs can still rape my shit.

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>>135943339
Blaziken is one of my favorite pokemon, and fighters in this game.

>>135943432
They should just blanket decrease the power of moves in general if they are worried about combo chains that do 75%. That would be a prophylactic fix to the problem they are worried about, and it would incentivize discovering long combos.

Or they could just let the game develop, and if there surfaces some broken combos on certain pokemon that do 500+ damage, they could just hotfix those specifically. I don't see a reason to gimp every combo on all pokemon across the board.

I'm playing Gengar and I feel like this character is based on combo potential, but it's pointless when i'm hitting for 1s

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Anyone wanna play some friendly matches?
Password is Footsies

What attacks are able to break a charging counter?

>>135944007
throws

>>135944019
How does the R. Pika AI spam the same 2-hit move and break mine half way through charging then?

>>135944065
you are letting go too early

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Good game to ComicCosmic.

You're a cool guy

>>135943871
Nigga just use vgptg

>>135944092
But I didn't let go at all

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>>135943871
Anyone?

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holy shit

sceptile's down special in dual phase. the sweetspot one where he plants a net and if it catches the opponent you do a leech seed thing. i get away with it more than i should.

>>135944102
Thanks man, you too.
You're a tough opponent.
If you couldn't tell, I've only just started to use Lucario and main Sceptile.

You should know this: we've both activated our synergy burst attacks around the same time, but even when mine goes second, yours always goes through and hits me.

When I've fought others and a similar situation happened, and mine activated second, it's gone through, but not against you.
Do you have any idea what's up with that?

>>135944186
How much does it usually heal?

>>135944104
didn't know thanks

>>135944186
Same here, some people don't realise how it works or something, so they'll just stay still spamming any ranged attacks and I'll just keep sapping their health.
It's fucking ace.

>>135943854
Maybe just a little, as long as the game still allows you to do tons of damage while being able to come back with only rage at your back. The high damage and fast nature of this game is going to be one of the main draws of this game in the coming months, as people are going to expect it to be along the lines of smash 4 only to be BTFO by how fast paced it is.

Also what does /Pokken/ think of familiar faces such as JWong and Fchamp throwing themselves into the ring?

games?

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>>135944185
GG

>>135944381
>Also what does /Pokken/ think of familiar faces such as JWong and Fchamp throwing themselves into the ring?
Gives the game legitimacy. It's a good thing.

>>135944381
non-smash and pokken players are sweeping this game
smash players are struggling
non jap pokken players are doing full retard shit like thinking trash assists like cubone are good or arguing over tier lists in a game which has its tier list set in stone. Like oh my god you americunts are so retarded saying Gengar is bottom tier and Libre is broken.

>>135944468
What is the actual real tier list?

>>135938792
just don't play against Garchomps and you're good :^)

>>135944381
As long as Sonicfox doesn't play it, it's fine

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>>135944416
wut? I didn't play anyone yet i'm still waiting

seriously is no one online right now?

>>135944516
there wont be one yet
but one things for certain Gardevoirs on the bottom
>>135944570
oh sorry i thought you were the guy who had "footies" as the password

>>135944468
>tier list set in stone
>latest balance patch is two months old

>>135944468
Nairo's probably the only smasher right now who's pretty good at this game.

But boy do I want JWong to kick ZeRo's ass. Imagine the butthurt

>>135944613
I am that guy, I didn't play anyone dude.

>>135944639
no Zero will wait till the top teir is decided
>>135944661
weird i put the password in and it matched me up with somone

Who does Nairo play?

>>135944629
if you ask any japanese player they'll tell you the balance patch is Revelator or Fated Retribution tier

meaning it barely affected the game

>>135944639
>But boy do I want JWong to kick ZeRo's ass. Imagine the butthurt
does zero have annoying fans, or are you referring to the butthurt zero would face himself?

does anyone wanna play?

>>135944731
Where's the jap tier list then

>>135944731
And Xrd's tier list still isn't set in stone, so yeah, that's my point.

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WHAT SUPPORTS YALL RUNNIN

>>135944732
His fans are pretty reasonable.
People just like to see someone like ZeRo taken down a notch for some reason.

>>135944696
Weavile has always been #2 in japan. Weavile's now ruling the roost as the strongest character in pokken after the Gengar nerfs. And it just so happens that both players are using him.

>>135944732
twitter johns anon. twitter johns. smashers get fucking assblasted when they lose?

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>>135944839
im still Unsure about espeon and Umbreon
im not finding the need to heal or steal Synergy
farfeth'd and electrode is the main one i use now

So I played Lucario until I reached A rank in the league but now I kinda want to switch and everyone else feels so weird. What do I do? ;-;

>>135944901
Why do Smash players get so mad on twitter when they lose? I don't think any other fighting games have this problem. I've seen multiple videos of smash players talking about their feelings (lol) on youtube because they got "harassed on twitter :( by peple saying they suck ;'("

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Does anyone know the purpose of Shadow Mewtwo's high stance strong attack? It does low damage, doesn't set up any combos, and doesn't have more range than similar attacks which do set up combos.

Serebii says it's good against grabs, but so are most attacks.

>>135944728
Mewtwo

>>135944959
Practice
If it helps you, I find Blaziken to be pretty similar to Lucario

>>135944996
Gotta complain about somthing
m2k is the Saltiest little bitch when it comes to Smash

Any tips for a Chandelure player? What support works well? From what I can tell, I'm just supposed to be spacing the entire time right?

>>135944839
Emolga and Fennekin mostly. Diglett on fast characters so I can run up and grab them if they try blocking.

>>135945027
I would be salty too if I had literally nothing else to live for other than smash

>>135944959
Try a power Character out
machamp,Charizard and garchomp are all super fun

>>135945032
Zone like a motherfucker and remember that you have a ranged grab that can shut people down in duel mode.

Speaking of grabs, machamp's air grab can grab you on the ground or in the air.

>>135944996
>Why do Smash players get so mad on twitter when they lose?
No one to keep them in check. When there's only 6 top players, if you're being a bitch on twitter there's no one in a position of power to call you out on it. It does happen in other games, but due to the stronger scene of other games the players who do it get called out.

>>135945032
Fenneken support

mash lazers until you win

>>135944814
scroll up nigga

>>135945001
It's good against grabs because you can't be grabbed during it (except of course those that grab mid-air opponents). Other attacks still have to hit before the grab as far as I know.

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Are there any pokes that get more damage than chandelure off a grab?

A double debuff critical hex does 320 alone.

>>135944516
honestly I could care less about tier lists, I play mewtwo because he clicked with me. I'm doing fine in ranked and the most experience I've had with fighting games are smash, Naruto
Clash of the Nina 2 on my Gamecube when I was like 6 and Elsword before pvp went to shit in season 2+ and KoG made every character after Chung broken as hell

One thing I can't decide on is which support is most optimal. I like Frogadier for the pressure but I also like Reshiram/Cresselia for obvious reasons

>>135945214
I'm testing it right now, from what I can tell a grab will cancel out an attack if they're input at about the same time. But it seems like light attacks never get cancelled.

So the only practical use of this move is when the enemy tries to grab you in burst mode. Situational move if I've ever heard of one.

>>135945278
does adding a 3rd debuff with somthing like emolga send the damage even more up?

http://pokkenarena.boards.net/thread/577/character-specific-high-stance-mechanics

Did your main get a cool ability?

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Lol Cosmic confirmed for Rage quitter

>>135945603
The aussie Sceptile right? Yeah lmao he's not that good but didn't peg him for a rage quitter

>>135945587
Nah, you can't have more than 2 active at once.

>>135945745
damn that sucks

>>135945603
Sorry about that, not a rage quit, but RL matters came up and no one likes an idler.

>>135940250
You do know charizard is in pokken right?

>>135945814
Yeah leaving after getting hit before you can Super and your Burst mode runs out immediately after that when you're getting near perfected in the last round looks like a rage quit.

Shoulda just finished it since you had like 30 hp left.

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>>135945593
i guess

>>135945887
I probably should have, sorry about that.

>>135945593
>garchomp
High stance isn't great but low stance seems good.
Low stance is just crouching, right?

Has anyone found out what Weavile's high stance does?
The low stance gives it a low profile and makes it possible to duck under a lot of moves so I don't think it does anything special.

>>135945868
Charizard's in A the dude didn't copy paste him for some reason.

Jirachi is pretty fucking useless for a legendary

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>>135945593
Yup

>want to play but just finished an overnight shift and tired as fuck

kill me

>>135946068
shes trying to dab

is there any way to combo into hyperbeam with mewtwo?

>>135945887
>aussie
nope he definately rage quit

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Just had a Libre disconnect on me because pic related.

>>135944228
I think its just whoever's hitbox gets there first. I did find it funny how mine always hit through yours

>>135946432
That's good to know

>>135946008
?
its the most used assist in Japan
watch Tokaigi

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>>135945593
Life is suffering

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What does it mean?

>>135946801
its there pokedex numbers
extra 0 in front for alternates

>>135946801
Dex Numbers.
Mewtwo and Pikachu got in twice.

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I found this full body render of Nia searching with ニア

>>135947002
I would exploit her attack triangle if you catch my drift

>>135947087
could you do it while she screams "i can your read you like a book" at you in english of course

>>135947087
as long as you're okay with her Weavile watching

>>135947184
It's fine, it'll sleep through the noise

I'm out Cosmic

Same thing I told you last night, no fundamentals. Your not mashing back special or whatever that slash move is as much but you got extremely predictable with it. Also absolutely zero patience from you, I knew almost every time when you were going to super. Like just knowing your habits and your lack of patience let me beat you constantly using random select, i could tell when you were getting flustered especially in the Braixen and Chandulere games.

>>135947184
He would be pretty psyched up

so how would you rank the assist sets

Personally i find drangonite + victini very useful in lots of cornered situations and jirachi + whimshicott great for field phase, especially against zoners and when using characters with bad projectiles. Yvetal + Latios are perfect for trapping and free grabs and mismagius + ninetales are good defensive options.

The worst ive used are cubone + diglett because they never hit/reach their target and snivy + lapras since they're too slow to attack and almost never hit

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>>135941553
>Go with Chandelure
>They know I'm going to use my lasers
>The trick is they don't know when I'm going to use them

>>135947214
Wow, way to be an asshole
>>135947247
>The worst ive used are cubone + diglett
What the fuck are you talking about? Both of them are easily part of the best assists because you can get followups just for using them.
And Dragonite/Victini sound good in theory but are outclassed by others because they charge slowly.

>>135947214
I keep going through the tutorials for a refresh, but it doesn't seem to stick.

I do have a tendency to rely upon my leaf blade that I'm trying to edge out.
And yeah, I am extremely impatient, but working on that too.

Thanks for the advice mate, I appreciate it.

>>135947310
Nah, he's giving me blunt constructive criticism.
It's better than not saying anything.

>>135947310
Telling someone their flaws is being an asshole?

If you think thats assholish then playing fighting games on 4chan may not be the right thing for you. I'm not even him but if I was given advice after losing I'm all for it.

>>135947310
Just telling him his problems. Best way I can describe it is no fundamentals.

And Cubone and Diglett are overrated. If you watch Japanese play that assist is never seen.

>>135947321
The tutorials wont give you fundamentals. Patience is something you need to learn on your own. Its your own mental fortitude.

>>135947382
You are acting condescending because you beat someone who has no fundamentals a few days after the game came out. I don't have anything against banter but this is just being an asshole.

>>135947382
Fuck oath, if no one tells me what I'm doing wrong, how am I supposed to get better?

>>135947442
I am not a patient man, but hey, I'll get there.

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>>135946801
>303

HAPPENING

>>135946801
657 isn't ninjafrog you mong.

>>135946801
This has to be fake, frogadier is a support

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>>135946801
>scyther
you best not be rusing

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Why the fuck is this female only??¿

>>135947468
>because I beat someone
what
>condescending
Its not being an asshole telling someone what they're doing wrong. If you think being told what you're doing wrong is condescending then stop playing right now. You're probably one of those braixen shitposters that complain about tier whoring

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>About to lose
>1HP
>They've already used their burst and assist
>You get the phase shift
>You feel that burning in your soul
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5jpdiv1718

This fucking game, man.

>Call in Latios
>Opponent stops doing everything and just holds block
It's funny how scared so many people get over this

>>135948906
How was Super Mystery Dungeon anyway?

>Play Ranked for first time
>Land game winning attack
>he disconnects during the animation
>Don't get a win
why?

>>135949191
SMD is pretty good, not better than Sky, but much better than Gates

>>135949191
Pretty damn good, anon.
Not even from that game, but still one of the best songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SBy9RJkS5I

If there is any possibility for Wii U to get fully playable emulated and someone making a lobby online software I would maybe give a shit about this fighting game.

However Nintendo still believes that people want to buy their shitty hardware so it's pretty hard to give a shit the legal way.

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>there's a title that you have to unlock by winning on 3 time outs

>>135949302
(You)

>>135949351
just freeplay versus an easy AI, it cant be that hard

game is hallow, it really needs more options like more cancellable stuff

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>>135949424

>>135949424
This, really

>>135949424
shallow
>>135949452
the fuck is this suppose to mean?

>>135949424
play garchomp

If I can't CADC Chandy's laser, then how do I gap close with Lucario? Or am I wasting my time with Nintendo's Ryu?

>>135949768
You walk forward and block as he slowly chips you to death

>>135949810
>he

>>135949912
You can't fuck it, it's a trap anyway

>>135949912
fuck off

Machamp combos please

>>135949810
Fuck me for playing while also trying to learn fundamentals I guess.

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>pika can stun into a confirmed burst attack

Now I see what all the bitching is about.

>>135950016
Anon, that type of play is extremely fundamental and will help you in the long run of any fighting game.

I believe in you! Just always be ready to block.

>Garchomp spamming dig over and over again
>Literally have to guess in order to not lose like 200 HP
>Guess wrong and lose 200 HP
>guess right and reset to neutral
God this game what the fuck

It's worse considering he has Charizards fucking air attack that's incredibly safe on block

>order online from GAME months ago
>they ship it on wednesday first class for the next day
>still don't have it today

royal mail is a fucking joke

>>135949651
>game lacks mechanics and depth

>hurr play this only character that remotely has them, who cares if everything else is shit

OH BOY HERE WE GO.

>>135948537
what the fuck

>>135949768
What kind of options does Lucario have? What does aerial R do? Does it have armor on something? Does it ignore projectiles with something? Does it have projectiles on its own that can help close the gap?
Learn your character, read the descriptions

Wait, does the PROJECTILE of Gardevoir's down+x pierce counter attacks, or just the slap?

that straight up ass shot of machamp in the credits

>>135950027
Don't combos into burst attacks weaken them?

>>135950016
I THINK you dont actually take chip damage from the laser, could be wrong though

>>135951162
Yes, but comboing into them is always worth it due to the fact that almost anything combos into them and the damage from said combo does at least 50 to 100 more damage with every character, and some characters /need/ to combo into it, Like Braxien and Pikachu, or weavile.

>>135951162
Why are so many people unfamiliar with damage scaling? And why do people think "Oh, it's weaker, better not use it"?

>>135951264
*50 to 100 more damage than raw super

>>135951264
But you could also use it on reaction to an opponent's attack and get the full damage

I feel Pokken is too basic and guessing based to go really competitive, it's part of why Gengar is so good, he has a lot of options in a game where there is so little.

Now before you say some bullshit like "m-muh reads" you need to stop, when you play Rock-Paper-Scissors with someone and win you don't say "Oh I read that you were gonna throw out that rock", nah you guessed. Reads become a thing when they're lots of options to choose from.

Counter is a bad mechanic, or maybe it's because I come from regular fighting games where you're expected to block and punish, with counter it's like...you're expected to counter 100% of the time in the case someone decided to hit your block, because everything is safe otherwise, hell even against zoners you're meant to spam goddamn counter.

If I had to allude it to something it'd be the DP in Persona, but unlike Persona where spamming it is the sign of a bad player, spamming counter here seems to be the sign of a person who knows how to play the game.

Wakeup game is completely guessing based, and don't say a read because it isn't one, it's completely rock-paper-scissors. A read would be(for all you street fighter fans) knowing if the Ryu you're facing is gonna DP on wake-up and baiting it, or if the Fuerte is gonna EX run to get out of your Oki, it's a read because players have more options other than "Grab" "Block" and "Counter" like in Pokken, in which case there is -only- those options, you can't really asses the situation and go "Maybe he'll try to super on wake-up because he has 50 meter" no, there's nothing like that, it's literally guessing if he's gonna counter or grab, there is no variables to the situation that makes reads possible other than picking up on a players habits after playing them for an extended period of time, and even then they could still mix it up making it still a guessing game.

cont

>>135951423
Yes! That is very much true, but the full punish of the beginning combo XX super will always outdamage a raw one, or you could go for a reset if they're mashing for even more damage.

I think the scaling in this game, while being way too harsh, is kind of hated too much. Everything does fuck huge damage in this game, and if if these supers did "normal" scaling, this game would be even more volatile than it already is, I mean more TOD's than marvel 3. (Even though Marvel 3's ToD's came from retarded fucking resets and lack of neutral)

>Made a dude avatar with long hair, red cheeks, nice smile, pink leopard shirt, underim glasses
>Picked "Braixen is so cute" for title
>Named HideYo'Braixen
>Play only Braixen

Top Trollin'

>>135940250
Nice Charizard.

>>135951597
XD cool I bet you assblast soooooooooo many people

>>135940738
Except he's wrong, Libre's BnB's do 210-221 without enhancement and without burst.

With enhancement you get a lot more damage on command throws (Machamp damage) and your up A paralyzes

With burst you get even more

Libre switches fields like a champ, so bursts will happen frequently.

> If you can't handle Libre pressing buttons in the Field phase
Why would a Libre press buttons in field phase unless they're reacting to something?

>>135951529
Get good.

>>135951830
>no counterpoint

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>watch jtails, apparently a smash player, stream Pokken (playing Machamp)
>keeps using inapplicable terms like "overhead" and "frame trap"
>complains about projectile spam while refusing to pump up or use cross chop/submission
>does nothing but constantly body splash in duel mode and air X in field mode
>"Yeah, I'm serious about tournaments for this game. I'm the number one Machamp."

>>135951914
You should try to get good.
Sorry, not autistic enough to make a long post about it.

>>135951958
To be fair you can cross people up in this game if they wake up with an anti air, or honestly, any normal.
But I don't think he meant that either.

>>135951529
>cont
I think you may be getting a little too worked up over this if you can't fit your issues with the game in 3000 characters
I get not liking it, but you're writing an entire article about it, when this thread will have been replaced by the end of the day...

>>135951529
Fucking retarded
Those are the exact same thing. The number of available options has nothing to do with being "a read" or "a guess", they're the same thing. A read is a read is a guess.

>>135952035
The funny thing he is never did crossup body splash, he'd just get to duel mode and jump in and body splash.

In about 10 ranked matches at C rank I only saw one person use the correct counters to his spam (up+y and counter beat body slam clean on-reaction, grounded homing attacks beat air homing attacks in field)

Everyone in chat thought the guy was godlike.

It was cringeworthy.

>>135951529

It's worse considering how even guessing "neutrally" ends up bad for the attacker most of the time, if you try to grab the opponent on their wake up and they grab you too, your grab will lose, at least as far as I've seen.

The small amount of cancel options leading to a low amount of mind games because there just isn't that much to think about when players get close to each other.

In the neutral? Yeah sure, there's some stuff going on there, but otherwise it's just rock-paper-scissors with nothing in between.

But then we take a character like Garchomp who can completely remove the neutral game and force you into a RPS situation skewed into his favor, which really highlights the problem with the game. Players on the defense AND offensive have too little options unless you're player a character that has decent cancel tools.

Against a dig using Garchomp there's nothing you can do but guess. You can't jump dig, you can't really avoid dig, he's going to get at your face pretty much no matter what and you're forced to guess, that's it. He eliminates the neutral game completely to throw you into RPS, and you have -no- other options other than to guess correctly or be sent back into the corner fuck train, and even then when you guess right if it resets back to neutral you're back in the rape gondola, sailing down the anal pain path of "lol you guessed wrong".

There's no variance on pressure because block strings don't exist, neutral in reality boils down to getting close enough to RPS past your opponents option, and as far as I can tell, the good Japanese players all try to avoid this RPS as much as possible.

>>135951830
>>135951994
>Git gud at literally guessing game