/xivg/ - Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward General

hyur boypussy

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Catbois

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How badly will they butcher red mage?

Bring back Jaiba for OP, this one is bad

When will they remove cross-class? It's such a shitty system.

Forces you to spend hours playing a class you don't want to play to get mostly uninteresting but mandatory abilities.

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Xth for Femroes.

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>Rdm in 4.0

YES
FUCKING
PLEASE

>>135873376
>he wants pedophile OPs

>>135873383
As a leveling warrior in need of monk and pal skills , i agree 100%

>>135873351
>implying we'll get red mage

>>135872932
ha ha no

>>135873509
go away

>>135873581
Well, Illberd and Rabauhn seem to be some sort of Red Mage or rune fencer, no?

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hi

>>135873265
what?
i don't know this meme

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>>135873703
egg

>>135873351
>Red Mages typically cast both Black and White Magic and can also wield swords and equip armor that normal Black and White Mages cannot. They are, in essence, among the more versatile characters of the series. However, their versatility comes at a price: their stats are usually low, and they cannot cast higher level spells or use stronger equipment. They can learn many spells, but not the strongest, and equip some heavy armor, but not all of it.

>Thus, the Red Mage is a jack-of-all-trades, but a master of none.

so expect another generic melee job that does some minor magic to buff their attacks

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HAPPINESS HOUR

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>mfw no elezen/hyur/c@/lizardgirl big bro/big sis
help

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Good afternoon :3

>>135873912
I want to hold hands with this lizard.

>>135873690
Illberd is just a somewhat special case npc like ysholta being able to cast forbidden spells

Rabauhn is just a berserker

Stray chocho cat lf home

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>>135873806
EGG

>>135873912
have i been dropped already?

>>135873975
>COPYING me
that's it

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>>135873419
I want to EB a femroe with my femroe

>>135873894
i'll only be happy if you become my gf in game and irl

xth for Ippiki is a shitter carried tank who shouldn't be giving out advice

>>135874106
You didn't seem to like the idea very much, always felt like I got a cold reception whenever I brought it up

>>135873880
The best case scenario is it's a caster role with the most amount of support/utility while dealing less damage than a BLM/SMN. Essentially a caster NIN in XIV terms.

>>135874106
Not even close! I'm a pale suncat. I could fanta into ashcat though hehe

>>135873685

who dis?

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>>135873894

Happiness Hour is for well adjusted people. I want a Cozy Hour!

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CATBOYPOSTING

DO NOT DO

>>135872863
Get a trip cancer

shana post your soles on discord

Lonely au ra looking for...

Sigh... Never mind....

>>135874441
so BRD?

>See roleplayers
>Hop into their event and play along
>Do cool guy lines
>Find out later that they record their sessions and upload them
I'm going to watch myself and be horribly embarrassed.

>>135874771
youre not even online...

>>135874637
see >>135872441

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>>135874417
i see how it is

>>135874521
don't do that you FUCKER

>>135874925
I still don't even know your name desu

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>>135874621
Post a screenshot with your character, profile tab up with character name, and quest log open showing completion of 3.2 HW story. Then I'll consider get a trip.

Does anyone else start becoming apathetic about stuff after wiping too many times in dungeons, raids or primal fights?

>>135873509
How many times do I have to tell you that RDM is shit, Blue mage or nothing.

Shoutout to Mittoinelle, Lessi-chan, Nyala, and Creepyscale.

>>135873894
>>135874193
go away

>>135873419
I now just go around taking pictures of cute Femroes I find on my server

>>135874783
No, it should deal magic damage so it won't fall into the BRD/MCH category support role, unless they make it a generic melee but that's gonna fuck up a whole lot more than adding a 3rd caster. Since RDM can use all low to mid tier spells in FF games, I don't see why they wouldn't give it several already existing spells like fire, blizzard, thunder, ect. Since RDM wouldn't have the infinite MP gimmick like BLM, they could easily do this without simply cloning the job like they did with AST. This is of course assuming it would have SOME kind of gimmick to make it not just feel like "a BLM who has to manage resources"

>>135875083
not them but i actually think you'd just not use in spite

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looking for cute au ra to be my gf

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>>135874925
:^)
>>135875036
Saeha Tekken

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>>135874613

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>Enter roulette
>French catboy AST healer

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Garuda-nee has a kinda yandere look to her.

>>135875275
Will you go back to cat?

Do I get a fat ass xp bonus every time I use Duty Finder, or is that only the first time of the day? Level 25, and I got 71k.
I'm 26 now, would I still get the same amount again, or drastically a lot less.

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>>135875036
Saeha Mugen
i said it before

>>135875279
bzzt

Might be neat if RDM had a resource system where they cast to build TP and melee to build MP with some support-ish spells as well as a charge and jump-back skill to switch between optimal ranges.

>>135875565
that's your daily bonus. you only get it once.

>>135875174
hi u 2

>>135875565
Your first roulette every day, otherwise doing your highest level dungeon is still fine if you have fast queues, but you'll only hate them more on high level syncing roulettes. FATEs are still a good choice if this is a second job until DD

>>135875648
Fuck Duty Finder then.

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>>135875279
reinvana is best vana imo

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>>135875036
We all know Ashc@

>>135875623
>building resources

You're gonna trigger all the 1.0fags.

>>135874962
>If you're pulling as a Warrior, and actually tanking the whole time, enmity really DOESN'T matter past the first six GCDs or so, because even in straight Deliverance, a Warrior just mathematically produces more enmity while maximizing DPS than even the best DPS in the world
This is wrong, and you're an idiot.
Any WAR trying to maximize their DPS will be doing either a double or triple Fell Cleave opener.
Doing either/or means you forgo the use of Butcher's Block for your entire opener.
Also, you're living in the past if you think a WAR can pull in Deliverance since 3.2, and outpace DPS.

>If you're having the Warrior pull to generate more initial enmity so that a PLD or DRK can Provoke off after the opener to MT the rest of the fight, then emnity can matter, but only if the PLD/DRK is trying to maximize their own DPS; a PLD or DRK that either tanks in their tank stance, uses enmity combos frequently, or does both, won't need a particularly large enmity cushion, because they're going to be generating more enmity than any non-tank can.
Okay? And?

>So the only time that Overpower makes sense over Tomahawk for a pull is when A) A Warrior is pulling but a Paladin or Dark Knight is main tanking, B) There's no Ninja in the party (Shadewalker makes the difference negligible), and C) The Paladin or Dark Knight is making a concerted effort to maximize their own DPS by eschewing both their tank stance and their enmity combos.
No.

You're just wrong about literally everything besides your second point.

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SAY MY NAME
SAY MY NAME
ROCK LIZARD
:3

>>135875274
I've issued this challenge as a reply before in the past and there was no response afterwards. I mean what I say, but those are my terms.

I don't understand people that don't like femroe.

>>135876064
Rock Lizard will you play with me

>>135876091
then you'll "consider it"

c'mon mannn

>>135876064
It's time to leave, Shitmone.

>>135875623
I'm imagining a Warrior-esque DPS. You'll have a primary magic nuke, a primary heal, and some utilities. Every weaponskill you use gives you a resource that increases the potency of your next magic spell, so you're hitting stuff until max stacks then casting a big nuke or an emergency heal.

The traditional RDM design doesn't work at all in this game with the design space they gave us. They have a doublecasting gimmick in some spinoffs though I think, and sometimes they overlap with magic knight and spellblade classes so it'll probably be something along those lines.

>>135876064
Simone Kistol
:3

Are ypi javomg a mcoe day?

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>>135876039
>you're living in the past if you think a WAR can pull in Deliverance since 3.2, and outpace DPS
This is literally my A6S progression strat

https://youtu.be/9UfGUl9Yj_k?t=2m13s

Regardless, enmity does not matter past the initial couple GCDs, unless you have a MCH, then a spike will come from Wildfire. which is dealt with from Smokescreen. As more time elapses, a tank will naturally gain more enmity(except DRK offstance due to their combo priority), and your assertion that it does just comes off as uninformed or childish.

>>135876064
Ah, our dear beloved Shitnai Shitayin.

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>>135876639
TOLD

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>wake up
>still no lala eb
>cry self back to sleep

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bushy brow wants you!

>>135873383
Never hopefully. I hope they can rework it into things effectively and don't just give up and make every class like HW classes.

Switched mains a lot to classes I never would have touched aesthetically thanks to being forced to try them early on in my sub.

Its a bad system currently though, yeah. Not for the leveling bit though, thats a fucking drop in the ocean in terms of time investment, suck it up, eat some food, and grind something nigga this is a fucking mmo.

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>>135876237
Take it or leave it, the offer may as well not exist though since these people are too big of cowards to ever put their own face and name behind their words.

>>135876639
>This is literally my A6S progression strat
Yes because you have a NIN with Shadewalker, but you didn't say anything about Shadewalker.
You made a general statement.
I've already said a WAR can pull in Deliverance if there's a NIN.

>Regardless, enmity does not matter past the initial couple GCDs, unless you have a MCH, then a spike will come from Wildfire. which is dealt with from Smokescreen.
Once again, you're assuming you have a NIN. I, also, notice you don't have a DRG.
DRGs have crazy burst in their opener. Try tanking with a good DRG once.

>As more time elapses, a tank will naturally gain more enmity
No shit, but we're talking about openers where enmity matters.

>and your assertion that it does just comes off as uninformed or childish.
Oh please.
Keep stroking your ego, you carried shitter.
You're just so Lawful Good. How can I compete?

>>135876837
Get off of Ippiki's dick, orbiter.

>>135876996
Get a trip

>>135876937
I want to protect those eyebrows.

reminder that people only despise ippiki because hes a male playing a male character and still gets more attention than the grown men pretending to be girls

>>135877170
Post a screenshot with your character, profile tab up with character name, and quest log open showing completion of 3.2 HW story.

>>135877326
Fuck off, orbiter.
I hate every avatarfag in this general, but what I hate even more is uninformed "advice."

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what a pretty fishing spot and useful too if you're making seafood stew

>>135876636
are you okay anon

>>135876636
bon fri flue

>>135876996
>exposing yourself to 4chan shitposter
>exposing yourself to a fetishist

There's a reason "don't post your name or character, don't play with them or approach them" is one of the most commonly given advices here.

>>135877631
wish idiots would stop tanking seafood stew prices on balmung to 15k

>>135877476
jealous grown man catgirl detected lol!

>>135877081
>but you didn't say anything about Shadewalker
Show me one world rank kill where a NIN isn't present? If you're going to argue pug content without a NIN, then there are more factors present that a tank cannot control.

>where enmity matters
Your initial argument was that Overpower is better than Tomahawk for enmity, to the tune of 420 enmity potency(assuming Defiance), yes?. That is absolutely microscopic when a DPS' burst can hit over 4000 on the 3rd or 4th GCD.

Overpower is not relevant for a pull, because Tomahawk allows for faster positioning(aka a faster second GCD compared to yanking a boss all the way back with Overpower) at a slight DPS gain and a negligible enmity loss.

>>135876224
They don't like huge fun pillows. It's sad really...

>>135876639
guys ;)

i raid ;)

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>>135877791
is that HQ because the whole reason I'm fishing this all up is because I'm too cheap to buy it

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>mfw watching ex titan guides
please tell me they're just making it sound more complicated than it is

>>135878393
Its a really simple fight compared to how crazy shit gets later honestly.

>>135877860
Unlike Ippiki I'm in a real relationship, so no.

>>135877924
>Show me one world rank kill where a NIN isn't present?
Who cares about firsts. No every progression raiding group is going to have a NIN.
Stop being an idiot.

>Your initial argument was that Overpower is better than Tomahawk for enmity, to the tune of 420 enmity potency(assuming Defiance), yes?
No. Fuck off with your stupid "420" meme.

>That is absolutely microscopic when a DPS' burst can hit over 4000 on the 3rd or 4th GCD
Wow. I didn't think you were this stupid.
Did you really just compare damage to potency? Are you this fucking dense?

>Overpower is not relevant for a pull, because Tomahawk allows for faster positioning
Correct, when position is important. Positioning isn't always importnat.
You don't need to position at the beginning of A5S or for Swindler or Blaster in A6S, so why would that even matter there?

>>135878393
Mostly, yeah.

Best thing to do is just join as a DRG, that way nobody actually expects you to participate.

>>135877758
>responding to shitposts
>not Blacklisting in-game harassment
I don't understand.

>>135878582
>Who cares about firsts.
>Who care about where the most optimization is required?
Are you dim? I'm done with this.

>>135878625
I'm gonna tank

It wouldn't nearly as bad if I was dpsing

>>135878582
If its proven to be the best why would you NOT want a NIN?

>>135878160
yeah, some idiots keep cutting it from 50k to 15k frequently. make your own still though, but you may have to buy the paprika if you don't have coerthas btn folklore

>>135878393
nigga that shit can be 3 manned ignoring all mechanics but landslide and gaol at lvl 60.

>>135878751
Optimization is require in ALL progression parties regardless of if they're firsts or not.

I like how you pretend you're so great; you even compare yourself to world firsters.
You aren't anywhere close to them. Get your head out of your ass.

>>135878870
Because not everyone wants to play NIN, and you work with what you can get.

My boyfriend realizes that MCH is better than BRD after this patch, but they don't like the playstyle of MCH.
They play BRD in our static because of this.

I wish I had a stalker...

>>135874039
gimme a name

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Femroe chestbeefers!

>>135879216
server?

>>135878941
sadly btn is the only crafter/gatherer I don't have to 60, but thank you for the advice!

>>135878962
>Nigga that fight is easy if you trivialize everything by not synching with a handicap of 10 job levels over and like 150+ ilevel
C A S U A L

Coil Tyradin

>>135876039
>Any WAR trying to maximize their DPS will be doing either a double or triple Fell Cleave opener.
>Doing either/or means you forgo the use of Butcher's Block for your entire opener.

No. A Warrior trying to maximize PERSONAL DPS will be doing this. They also won't be pulling, so Overpower versus Tomahawk is not even a factor.

A Warrior trying to maximize PARTY DPS is the only case where the Warrior will be pulling in the first place, and the goal of doing that is to generate as big of an enmity cushion as possible for the other tank. Foregoing Butcher's Block in an opener like that is a pretty spectacular way to broadcast to the world that you don't actually understand the things that you're doing or why you're doing them.


>Also, you're living in the past if you think a WAR can pull in Deliverance since 3.2, and outpace DPS.

Sorry to hear that you're shit

>Its a theorycrafting episode

How to deal with annoying guildmates in voice chat.

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>ywn find the perfect eb
You'll never know how my hell burns.
:3

>>135879406
Mute them

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>>135875083
>>135876996
>>135877365
hi
get a trip
I don't care about 3.2 story because it doesn't unlock any relevant content

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>>135873419
Femroe

>>135879408
>tfw had one but wasn't good enough

>>135879523
doesnt give a fuck
give me rocklizard

>>135879350
what do you want from me

>>135879368
>Foregoing Butcher's Block in an opener like that is a pretty spectacular way to broadcast to the world that you don't actually understand the things that you're doing or why you're doing them.
The only time you'd be losing party DPS is if people have to halt DPS to allow you to establish enmity.
That should never happen even while forgoing a Butcher's Block.

>Sorry to hear that you're shit
Yeah, man.
Show me the math where a WAR bursts higher than a DRG since 3.2.
I'm waiting.

>>135879523
Hey you're that person on my friend's list, but I haven't a single clue who you are.

>>135879341
What benefit is there to doing it at lvl 50 in 2016?

>implying literally everyone here isn't a casual

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>>135879243
F@ c@ T@s!

>>135879384
at least it's pve theorycrafting by people not in savage.

could be worse, pvp theorycrafting.

>>135875451
i want her :(

>>135879652
You, back.

Paging creepy, get on steam pls.

>>135879817
>by people not in savage
lol
How delusional can you get?

>>135879882
who are you and why

>>135879817
dude but what if i like fell cleave BEFORE the smn can cast
wouldnt that make warrior better than smn?

>>135880038
You know who it is. I'm just missing you and I know people tell you when you are namedropped.

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Why don't I trust him, bros?

I never have, but all the characters in the game are sucking his dick all the time like he's the second coming of Jesus Christ. I know his grandfather was a big deal or whatever, but it doesn't even seem like he does anything himself, he just acts smug and takes credit for everything I do. Is the the villain in Heavensward?

>>135879603
You weren't or they weren't?

>>135877170
Mado pls do not get trip and continue to trigger these autistic shitbags kthxbai

>>135879523
>adelais
Especially not for this fucktard

>>135880201
neither of us were.

>>135876920
go away

>>135880175
contact me in the game then if you want to chat properly

Is there a /vg/ guild?

>>135880190
What? He's your ONLY fucking friend in the whole game. He's the only one that has stuck it out with you through thick and thin and backed you up 200% of the way. YOU were the method to his madness.

>>135880283
shut up meepygales

>>135880190
He's a villian until your character takes his virginity.
No joke.

>>135880190
Because he is the grandson of the first literal Christ in FFXIV.

>>135880282
Then they'd prove their "challenge" meant nothing and they're full of shit.

>>135880352
Pastebin in OP

>>135880352
no official one but there are some that consist of only /vg/ or mostly /vg/ like
Lewd!, Saint, honk!, and CC
CC has probably one of the lowest of the 4, also NEET was there but it's just become a private circlejerk now

>>135880282
she issued a challenge for it man
don't do shit if you can't back up what you say
>>135880448 agrees

>>135880282
Who is adelais?
Were they a girl character once?

>>135880036
sounds like something an insecure babby who hasn't set foot in savage would respond with

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>>135880352
Nevermind, just skimmed through this general and it's pretty fucking awful. I'd rather not play with any of you.

>>135880190
He's basically the joint main character. As of so far, he's pretty much your voice and the means by which the story can be driven forth with a silent protagonist.

He gets humbled shortly before HW so the arrogance slips

>>135880190
Alphinaud's in like, the top 3 characters in the game that do shit man.

Well, mostly you do his shit but he has decent ideas when they don't result in all his friends dying. That's still a lot better than most characters who either hinder you or ask you to do shit for them that doesn't do shit for you.

His competition is like, what, Y'shtola, Haurchefant and Estinien?

Ninjas, I don't play your class, when is a good time for me to pull for you?

>>135880650
no they were a m cat
the comfiest cat

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>>135880354
>He's your ONLY fucking friend in the whole game

Then why do I feel like he's gonna Delita me at any moment?

>>135880757
i literally dont care outside of savage and you shouldnt either

>>135880801
Because you're autistic.
Sorry, Anon.

>>135880778
I've been gone for like three months or so, so I have no idea who they are. I put a heart next to their name that means I probably liked them at one point, but I can't put my finger on anything anymore.

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>>135880757
15s after you see me huton, but only if DPS matters
otherwise it's easy to fit everything into the opener, just means a slightly later trick attack

>>135880757
Whenever, it's not worth waiting 20 seconds for my mudra to come off cooldown because that's not going to make the fight go 20+ seconds faster to compensate.

Like, unless there's a tight enrage timer who gives a fuck

>>135880959
what are your initials
I'll message you

>>135880757
About 20 seconds after they cast Huton.

If you click their character and Huton is around 50 seconds, you can pull.

>>135881015
It's actually a huge DPS loss if there's phasing, and that phasing cuts into a late opener leaving your buffs hanging with nothing to attack.

Which server does vg play? EU

>>135880757
Just have a pull macro. Any.

>>135881107
I'll message you when I'm ready.

>>135880539
Where is Lewd! located?

>>135880861
>>135881015
>>135881014
sounds good to me. i just like making considerations for my party where i can, i.e. pulling faster for BLMs/MNKs to keep stax.

>>135881107
S.K.

>>135879523
As suspected, the people who so vehemently hate me I've never even met or spoken to, haha. Just like last time, I won't bother keeping it up if the same spite-posts occur so we'll see how long that lasts.

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anybody can get it, the hard part is keepin it mothafucker

>>135881192
house wise? they're right next to saint's house. goblet ward 6? i think

>>135881221
Can you please stop being such a whiner about this? I don't even hate you, dislike you, whatever - it's just so stupid to see posts like that.

>>135881185
>>135881157
I usually run a 15s one, but if I do savage I'll bump it to 20s if I have a ninja from now on.

>>135881258
one day I will not be a coward and marry you, and the bussy will be mine and mine only

lewd isn't the primary reason though

>>135881221
It's obvious they're not the same person. They just responded to your challenge. You then added an addendum to your challenge to remove your trip.

So diapie diapie poopoos, oh no I've made fun of you. Now you can remove it. :^)

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>>135881221
Oh I don't even care man, you just asked and I delivered. You asked repeatedly, as if what you were asking was some sort of big deal. if you ever post without a trip I'm just going to remind you of it now, a real man keeps to his word.
>>135881523
this too lol

>>135881192
Avoid Saint, you're not going to be included in their inner circle clique

Avoid NEET, their leader is a psycopath and will boot you for no reason

Honk! is dead

Lewd! is full of degenerates

>>135881604
Can't Lewd! literally be applied to all the above also?

>>135881221
LET THIS BE LESON

>>135881602
>>135881523
This is why you never try to satiate assholes

>>135879085
>Optimization is require in ALL progression parties
So you're invalidating your own point that "NIN isn't optimal" even more, nice

The rabid ad hominem doesn't help your argument, or your own appearance for resorting to it

>>135879368
>A Warrior trying to maximize PERSONAL DPS will be doing this
That counts as raid DPS, what's your point?

>is to generate as big of an enmity cushion as possible for the other tank
This isn't relevant when 1) Tank stance is required to survive a lot of hits in Savage, thus generating enmity and 2) 1 enmity combo is not even near the DPS loss, compared to disabling a Warrior's 3 FC opening rotation.

>>135881221
again, not them either. I don't dislike you, well because i dont know you but you constantly eat up whatever people here spew out and that's exactly what they want
like, just ignore it. literally dont respond to them and do your thing

>tfw go to message someone but you see they're with the EB they replaced you with

Guess I won't.

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Why do people want to play with people from /vg/ specifically again?
They're just as much strangers as anyone else in the game.

I wish I was a Mithra instead of a Miqo'te

>>135881604
Lewd! sounds like a bunch of swell fellows.

>>135881770
>generally high to above-average competency
>take criticism better than "my sub my rules" faggots
>not offended easily
>rarely use normie shit in chat like text emotes or *hugs*

>>135881770
Cause bad people usually like to cling one another. With that they can create their own little mental inner circle and mock and ridicule people that isn't in their vg circle and call them normies even though they're probably better human beings.
From the data and knowledge I've gathered of course.

>>135881748
>So you're invalidating your own point that "NIN isn't optimal" even more, nice
What?
I never made a point that NIN isn't optimal?
What the fuck are you on about?
Why are you creating your own arguments, your own strawmen, to "win?"

>The rabid ad hominem doesn't help your argument, or your own appearance for resorting to it
It's too bad all of it is true, then.

>>135881756
This, 100 times this.
Mado you never learn to NEVER RESPOND to the shitters
BOOM, quality is better.

>>135881693
there's not really an inner clique in lewd and ada has only ever kicked inactive people (and lancia lol)

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I'm a lizard on a...

Oh, what's the point...
:3

>>135881770
Everyone on /vg/ has one definitely thing in common, which is that they're on /vg/. Odds are you'll find more in common with them than with another non-/vg/ total stranger because you're probably both on /vg/ in the first place because of similarities.

>>135882119
No, I mean aren't all the vg fc all just degenerates.

>>135881191
sure thing, i'm gone for 15 to pick up some chinese food though.

>>135881786
Naka is the only good degenerate from there

He's too good to be hanging around with those lowlife fucks

>>135881927
>generally high to above-average competency
>take criticism better than "my sub my rules" faggots
>not offended easily
All three of these are debatable.

>>135882254
I might message you later tonight or so. But don't look forward to it, I'm nothing special.

>>135881943
>I never made a point that NIN isn't optimal?
see >>135878582
>>Show me one world rank kill where a NIN isn't present?
>Who cares about firsts.
You're implying that party comp doesn't matter in optimizing.

I really don't like getting into these arguments, because despite the disappointingly-low level of dialog you spew, it's hard to let them go, since some random anon might think even one sentence is true, and hurt their group because of it.

>>135881759
>tfw this is me but they're doing fates and I don't want to bother them right now

>>135882283
they are, but to be honest I just want to hang out with cool people from here with similar sense of humor and just play the game with them

obviously you're going to have to look past some shitty people but there are definitely cool people here

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>>135882264

>>135881770
I don't, I just happen to become acquainted with a lot of them through linkshells, discord, mutual friends otherwise and so on.

>>135882474
Anyone here is mentally unstable or broken in some way.

>>135882283
I haven't played with /vg/ but I can't imagine them being below average players with the standard in this game. The fact that they're on this thread talking about the game, even if rarely, probably means that at the bare minimum they have more knowledge than Dragoons who don't Heavy Thrust.

>>135882368
>You're implying that party comp doesn't matter in optimizing.
No?
I'm implying that not everyone has to option to have 100% optimal party compositions, and that party compositions has very little to do with our original discussion. Also, every progression party isn't a firster.
Stop making up arguments.

>I really don't like getting into these arguments, because despite the disappointingly-low level of dialog you spew, it's hard to let them go, since some random anon might think even one sentence is true, and hurt their group because of it.
Oh! Boo hoo! Mister "I'm Lawful Good! You can't disagree!" got his feelings and ego hurt!
Better talk about how I must be wrong, and how your advice must be shit.
You could never be wrong. I mean, you're the perfect Berke!
The unstoppable Ippiki!

is only game

why you have to be crying pissbaby

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Wow!!!

>>135882908
because i cant do anything right

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I was all worried about doing badly in titan ex but turns out everyone else on DF is fucking garbage and just knowing the mechanics puts me above the average shitter

>>135882680
keep thinking that friend, there are plenty of people not batshit crazy

>>135882980
Etie do you have soft ticklish soles

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I'm a lizard on a ...

Oh, what's the point...
:3

>>135882980
Wow!

I love rape!

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Have you ever captured a miqo face as they capture a HQ fish and realised it was a mistake?

>>135883081
Welcome to FFXIV.

>>135882980
How's Ultros?

>>135882858
>that party compositions has very little to do with our original discussion
You make multiple excuses to >>135877081 involving party composition, and not one to defend your own assertion of approximately 210(before stance) enmity for one GCD mattering, ever.

>Better talk about how I must be wrong, and how your advice must be shit.
That's literally what you've been doing for the last hour.

>>135883203
We literally had to disband after wiping at 20% echo with 3 crowns in the party

>>135883141
A suncat would look cute with that expression but the vacuous saucer eyes and fangs make it creepy.

Gas the moonies

POST
CUTE
MALE
AU RA
please

>>135883101
>stealing two gimmicks at once
REEEEEEEE

>>135883081
Keep that worry, it's what keeps you from becoming like them.

Also switch to Warrior, it's the easiest job to carry awfuls with.

I want to tie B'nhaka up and tickle them until they pass out, wait for them to regain consciousness and then do it all over again!

>>135883081
what server are you on
do you have anyone who can just help you clear it

>>135883338
>male au ra
>cute

theres a reason why you feel the need to ask for them

>>135883345
That's THREE gimmicks. Rock lizard, Aweiner and sad gay hyur.

>>135882980
i'll wow! u bby

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>>135883338

>>135883408
fuck off lance

>>135881748
>That counts as raid DPS, what's your point?

The point is that a Warrior gaining 15-20 potency in their opener by using all Storm's Eye and no Butcher's Block is being counterproductive when the other tank has to lose hundreds of potency over the course of the fight by doing enmity combos after they Provoke when they shouldn't have to, and if your Warrior is going to pull and then not use Butcher's Block then you might as well just have the PLD/DRK pull in the first place.

(And no, tank stance isn't really required for mitigation purposes in Midas any more frequently than it was required in Gordias. It's very helpful, as always, but you can easily get away with a combined total of fewer than 30 seconds in tank stance throughout all of A5S and A6S, and not really make life much more difficult for your healers.)

>>135883081
>>135883203
more like welcome to anyone who was good at the game did this content 4 months after release. shitter-kuns

>>135883408
shut up Bnakha

tfw bored

>>135883454
I think ALL male au ra are cute anon! I love them!

>jump through learning/clear parties for SephEx for weeks trying to clear
>finally get it
>can join farm/no bonus groups now
>"ah, finally a whole group that knows the fight"
>they're just as shit at the encounter as the learning/clear parties

Jesus fucking christ.

>>135883408
Why don't you do that to your eb lance

>>135883408
Whisper me, Lancia Ayers, Balmung foot specialist.

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>>135883338
You got it.

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>>135883338

>>135883606
Putting up Storm's Eye 3 GCDs later is much more than 15-20 potency. Maybe 10-15 pps loss for the entire fight because Berserk/Infuriate timers are set back, sure.

>over the course of the fight by doing enmity combos
You didn't read my other points.

>>135879368
WARs can still open with enmity combo and lead it into triple Fell Cleave. Their stance dancing is oGCD.

>>135883408
why are you so creepy, lance? leave him alone, holy shit

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>>135883329
>

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>>135883596
>Purple eyes
You're adorable

>>135883843
this nigga looks like hes running for office

>>135883596
VERY cute!

>>135883967
>expecting a gross futa art commissioner to not be creepy
laff

>>135883298
>and not one to defend your own assertion of approximately 210(before stance) enmity for one GCD mattering, ever.
Because it should be obvious that the equivalent of one GCD could be the difference between losing aggro and keeping aggro in some scenarios.
I shouldn't have to spell out something that obvious, but here I am.

>That's literally what you've been doing for the last hour.
Because you ARE wrong.

>>135883606
>The point is that a Warrior gaining 15-20 potency in their opener
You don't gain 15-20 potency. You gain more around 100 potency.
Regardless, I agree. You shouldn't forgo a Butcher's Block combo if you're MTing without a NIN for saftey's sake.
That doesn't change the fact that one is more optimal than the other.

>(And no, tank stance isn't really required for mitigation purposes in Midas any more frequently than it was required in Gordias. It's very helpful, as always, but you can easily get away with a combined total of fewer than 30 seconds in tank stance throughout all of A5S and A6S, and not really make life much more difficult for your healers.)
Swindler says "Hello."

>>135883959
They end up dropping Storm's Eye if they do that.
That's not optimal at all.

>>135883959
>no Maim, no Eye Fell Cleaving
jesus fuck are you kidding?

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>>135884019
>tfw you will never have a Kana daughter in xiv
I don't want to feel this.

>>135883843
what the fuck
the
fuck

>>135883338
>Have a thing for handsome, manly, reliable-looking guys
>All the boys are cute prettyboy faggots
BAH

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>>135883338

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Imagine what kind of stupid sounds a catboy would make when he's tied down and you're wringing everything out of him.

>>135884176
[handbar noises]

>>135880348
I'm sure there's a certain elezen you'd rather be spending time in dungeons with. I won't be bothering you again, don't worry.

>>135884124
Are you retarded? You build the first 4 stacks before popping Berserk. That's enmity combo + maim/storm's eye combo.

Have fun being shit.

>>135882505
You can't protect the bussy forever

>>135884264
Yes cute! Thank you /xivg/

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>every healer i've gotten for vault so far

>>135884318
This is a good meme.

>>135884318
>he doesn't make the raid group wait 45 seconds for the MECHANICALLY SUPERIOR opener
lmao kidd

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>>135883096
I am very ticklish, wow!

>>135883109
Rape is so romantic~

>>135883257
Its great! This patch really brought ultros back to life!

>>135883515
Wow!!!

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>>135883843
Nice

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>>135883967
>implying I was serious
If I needed to do that, I have Read.

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how do I report someone? this level 50 miner bot has been running against the edge of this platform for like two hours now

>>135884121
read >>135877924
Feel free to show me evidence of the opposite, I have vids on my channel you can peruse.

>>135884318
Enmity > Eye is less potency compared to Eye > Enmity, at a negligible enmity loss.

Lonely au ra looking for a friend

Pst

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>>135884501
don't you soil mai waifu like that

>>135884501
ugly

>>135884439
>>135884442

Open enmity, follow with storm's eye, pop berserk and do triple fell cleaves.

How hard is that? What are you losing?

>>135883450
Odin and no

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>>135884265
I don't need to imagine

>>135884504
Don't bother.
Reporting them isn't going to get them banned.
There are bots that I've reported literally a year ago that are still around.

>>135883925
Did the token girl in the shitgrin trio pick up a fantasia?

>>135884661
Have fun fucking over your NIN and other tank by making them wait 6 GCDs for slashing, lad

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>>135881602
Oh, it was just a joke to you then; no point in actually doing it. Carry on.

>>135884313
you are making strange assumptions here

>>135884543
So you're going to bitch about both losing storm's eye bonus before triple cleaves are in, and a negligible potency loss on your first enmity combo?

It will affect your overall DPS by single digit numbers; you fucking shitter.

>>135884543
>Feel free to show me evidence of the opposite
The opposite of what?
You're making two points in that post.
Make yourself clear.

I've also already responded to both of those points.

>>135881330
I'm new to this game, the guilds (Free companies?) are in some housing area?
does it matter what server?

>>135884761
>NINs don't have their own slashing debuff
>taking WAR as MT
>caring about the first 6 GCDs for the sake of MT/OT/NIN damage when the lack of storm's eye will equate to a double digit loss in raid DPS, at most

You're dogshit.

>>135884318
>>135884124
>>135884442
>>135884661
i don't even know why you guys are arguing, just refer to xeno's guide he added new stuff for 3.2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUXck-0vh5k

>>135884501
doesn't read have exis?

>>135884836
>that filename
Mado is afk bub, good try

>>135885245
did you not see the infiltrator's post last night

read is the biggest cuck on balmung

>>135885027
Well, not all free companies own housing, but the housing districts are located near every major city and are server specific. The FCs they named are on Balmung.

>>135884907
>The opposite of what?
>I don't remember what my argument was!

>>135885172
>dropping a NIN's DPS for your own
Nice meme

>>135885250
Kaori pls change back to femcat. Your male cat is horrible.

>>135885250
I didn't create this image

Balmung infiltrator here.

You know the drill.

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Yay, I got 50 and a neat robe!

UC/Shadewalker Eye into Block is the standard. Fuck outta here with your other shit.

>>135885467
>This world is not accepting anymore characters
Oh well.

>>135885427
They both openly ERP others and have ERP orgies.

>>135884836
Does Mado have a boypussy?

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>>135885595
I linked this last thread, I don't know why people keep trying to find new creative ways to pick at it without any backing arguments

>>135885493
Are there any good male cats

>>135885481
You're still not addressing the point. You're dead set on bitching about negligible potency losses at the very beginning of a fight. You're also ignoring that WAR is designated OT, forevermore in 3.2.

You have no counterpoint; you only have petulant whinging.

>>135885772
45s windups are NOT the standard, fuck off with your shitty flowchart.

>>135885832
>You have no counterpoint
read >>135877924
Are you learning-disabled or just wake up in a bad mood?

>>135885661
my point still stands

>"lol worst tank NA"
what does this mean?

>>135885894
that's not a flowchart

>>135885647
You won't be able to get on Balmung unless you pay money or camp char creation with a preset character right after maintenance. AFAIK there's supposed to be FC on Ultros, Mateus has people looking. Gilgamesh has a linkshell instead I think, just a chat channel basically. Gilgamesh is still hard to get a character on too but not as much as Balmung.

>>135885894
>hey guys lemme know when pots are at 45s
>ok
>now
>hit Infuriate
SO HARD

>>135886108
Worst tank not applicable.

It means you're not bad.

So, I just got back from like.. 3-4 months of not playing, what's this about tank stats with vit? cause I think I have a bunch of str acc on my pld and not sure what I do with it?

>>135886108
worst tank in north america

>>135886191
oh
how come the healer left after saying this though?

>>135885969
None of that addresses the point I made about negligible DPS losses in the first 6 GCDs. It also ignores that WARs start fights as the OT, so the whole argument for WAR openers only matters in 4man content; that is to say, it's a pointless argument.

You're just bitching for the sake of bitching about raid situations that will never happen in the described "elite progression" circumstances that you're using for your points towards maximizing personal and NIN dps.

You're a fucking idiot.

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Reminder that lizards are cold-blooded and susceptible to freezing. Have you hugged an Au Ra today?

>>135886247
Vit and str now give the same attack power bonuses for tanks, meaning vit is unambiguously better as it gives hp as well.

>>135886361
because it actually means >>135886294
and the guy you're responding to is being LE EPBIC TROLL XD

>>135886119
Sure is.

>>135886162
Not the standard, have fun snapping to emergencies where your shit is off sync with that surgical opener.

>>135886015
Theeey're both dudes. How is a dude cucking another dude when they both ERP outside of their EB? Who even takes their EB seriously?

>>135886489
I was trying to be considerate of their feelings, actually.

>>135885557
Aika Tsunderie
Shana Tsunderie
Kala Crowe
Noriko Makoto
Sugiura Kuma
Victoria Khaine
Moni Sielski

>>135886403
I hope the ice age comes and all you dirty Xaela knock over.

RAEN POWER.

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>glamour system lets you go have a bare chest and bare arms
>can't go barefoot

Why is this allowed? Even WoW had soles.

>>135886247
3.1:
1 Str = 1 Attack Power
1 Vit = 0 Attack Power

3.2:
1 Str = 0.45 Attack Power
1 Vit = 0.45 Attack Power

This means that Vit accessories melded with Str are your best bet, and that secondaries ae now quite valuable, leading to a couple scenarios where Str accessories are better for DPS, albeit at an HP loss

>>135886397
Or, you're the DPS argument guy.

Now, I don't know about your experience, but in a raid, most members blow their biggest CDs as fast as possible, to use them again sooner. So, you want debuffs like Storm's Eye up as fast as possible. That's it.

>>135886519
>snapping to emergencies
>don't FC twice
Wow, such change

>>135885172
Let's calculate enmity potency, shall we?

Heavy Swing (150 * 2.7 = 405) > Skull Sunder (200 *3.5 *2.7 = 1890) > Butcher's Block (280 *5.5 *2.7 = 4158) > Heavy Swing (405) > Maim (190 *2.7 = 513) > Storm's Eye (270 *2.7 *1.2 =874.8)
All together that's 8,245.8 enmity potency

Heavy Swing (405) > Maim (513) > Storm's Eye (874.8) > Heavy Swing (405 *1.2 *1.1 = 534.6) > Skull Sunder (1890 *1.2 *1.1 = 2494.8) > Butcher's Block (4158 *1.2 *1.1 = 5488.56)
All together that's 10,310.76 enmity potency

That's a difference of 2,064.96 enmity potency.

>>135885481
>>I don't remember what my argument was!
Are you sure that's not you?
You make two points in the post.
The first one is that all first groups have a NIN.
I responded with the fact that we aren't talking about nothing but first groups; nor are we talking about optimal party compositions only.

Your second point is that Overpower isn't relevant for a pull where initial positioning is important.
I've already told you I never disputed this.

I'll repeat it again, what am I showing you the opposite of?

>>135886538
hoooly shit dude, read is the most overprotective of exis ever. if you even send exis a tell read will be on your ass questioning your motives and shit. meanwhile the cuckmaster is off fucking anything with legs and a pulse and then he gets upset if exis does anything without him.

>>135884456
We coulda rubbed ears two years ago. Too bad I didn't say your ears were the best ears.

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>>135880753
Y'shtola is absolute contrived garbage. She "does shit" as much as "Harry Potter used the time turner". All of her character agency is boiled down to plot contrivances for the sake of making her look cool, and people eat up the waifu pandering and ask for seconds.

Estinien gets shit done I guess, but never anything helpful or worthwhile in the end.


>Haurchefant
Always a tie between him and Alphinaud in my heart for best boy.

>>135886538
Why even have EB if you dont take it seriously? I mean dont act like its a real marriage, but I dont get the point of friendship EBs when you can just do all the normal stuff together regardless of EB status. So what does EB even signify if not a close relationship?

>>135887006
Naka stop

Is WAR the most autistic class?

Or are all WARs just coincidentally autistic?

>>135886760
How are you still not understanding what I'm saying?

WARS DON'T MT IN PROGRESSION CONTENT

They always start as the OT, which means they never have to deal with the opportunity cost, that you're pulling out of your ass, when it comes to putting up debuffs as soon as possible. They're a fifth DPS until the tank swap, if there's a tank swap.

If you're doing an encounter with a WAR MT, then you're not maximizing anything. This directly contradicts your points made about putting up Storm's Eye asap for the extra OT/NIN dps. Why would a group maximize dps in one aspect but not in another? It's a bullshit argument.

You're pulling an argument out of your ass for the sake of bitching.

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>WAR mains
>Ippiki
>Shyv
>Kiki
Yeah, absolutely.