/domg/ - Dominions General

First for not changing the edition.

First for you forgot to change the edition in the OP.

Also, the debug mod link in the OP needs to be changed.

>>135834114
Has the debug mod been rehosted somewhere yet? I never actually grabbed it while Desura was up.

Can you people read before posting?>explaining why those goals are your goals
I've said this twice and yet you persist on ignoring it. Explaining those goals means explaining what spells you're aiming to get from those goals, why you are aiming for those specific spells, what paths your national mages have, using boosters etc. etc.
Secondly, I was using a singular example (writing about research vs talking about it in a video), which you would know if you would actually read the conversation instead of just sperging. And lastly, obviously there is a thought process behind different strategies and that is exactly why I fucking said that you require those nation specific informations to be able to come up with those counters and recognizing what those will be, instead of just generalizing everything.

>>135834214
Hang on, I'll make a dropbox folder. I'll throw inside the Tiny test map too.

>>135834256
I think the bigger issue here is that it's going to take a lot of effort for someone to record multiple games at once (since nobody has a 100% win rate over multiple PBEM's), explaining their thinking behind each turn and then actually winning a game.

>>135834424

Generally what people do is keep turns and then do an AAR of a game they won.

>>135834256

Calm down, use your sentences. Explain things in order.

>>135834353

>dropbox

Why don't people use drive or mega instead, dropbox shits up my browser and it's not even a better tool.

>>135834214
>>135834353
https://www.dropbox.com/s/tgx1bwak9bzugdo/Test%20Package.7z?dl=0

There we go, I bundled the Debug mod and the Tiny test map.

>>135834994
>drive, mega
Because I've already have a dropbox account.

How much time did you guys spend looking over unit/spell lists and dicking around in single player before you started MP?

hey guys i got a message about people trying to gang up on xibalba

>>135836503
I spent about 60 hours blundering about before I entered my first game with a F4/D9 saurolich.

Don't do that.

>>135836552
Please don't.

>>135836631
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=EAGAME
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=NEWLAGAME

reminder to work on the wiki.

TheNewCool admin, are you here? I'm the guy who wanted to sub R'lyeh.

>>135836503

First time I played this game was a hotseat on a laptop that just kept going while other stuff happened.

Don't really recall playing SP at all. And as everyone knows, i'm now the toppest dominoes player in the world, so.

>>135836503
I think I might have spent a hundred hours. It was a bad idea. I didn't learn to use magic, and instead just spammed Tomb Kings and soulless hordes.

Start MP as soon as possible.

VegetableWarriors5 when?

>>135836503
I blundered through a little bit of SP and some MP against the friend who bought me the game before joining a pbem. In between all this I browsed through the in-game information on units and spells and a few online guides. As I started playing I looked through guides and the inspector more. Just trying to absorb concepts and information, mostly. Actually playing my first MP games was massively, incredibly more beneficial to learning the game than anything else could possibly be.

>>135836689
I'm in 10 games right now. Why do you want me to join more?

Why am I sending in a pretender?

Someone please save me from the nothing I've become.

>>135837145
>>135836839
>>135836796
>>135836631

Groovy. As soon as the game goes on sale again I'll grab a legit copy and look for a pbem to join. Thanks, anons

>>135837195
Remember to rename your turn file!

Can you update to a newer version of a mod in an ongoing game?

>>135837195

Joining games with 'ea', 'la', 'ma', or 'meme' in the title seems like a bad idea.

>>135837301

By the time the game next goes on sale, likely the blitzserver will be up and running.

>>135836503
Something like 40 hours, but my first mp games were with friends who had played the game about as much as me. Perhaps around 100 hours SP before playing on llama. I somewhat agree with the others that going MP once you learn how the game works is a pretty good idea, if you plan on playing with people who know the game well you should watch/read the basics on scripting, communions and strengths/weaknesses of the nations (at least in the game you're going in) so you have a rough idea on what you want to do against different enemies, and maybe test different stuff on debug mod.

>>135837195
Anon, as the person in 23 games, don't do this to yourself.

Holy fuck Shinuyama.

Reminder for EdibleGloves Pythium to please play your turns m8

>>135837626

Big thing is watching battles. If you can't work out what the enemy is doing and why it is working, you're never going to get better at the game. And the more extreme (in any respect, extremely magey, extremely weak, extremely strong) the nations you play the faster you'll learn.

Is this game posted anywhere? does someone know the admin?

Convinced Eriu to come back and set herself to AI, so it's just Agartha now.

>>135837917
I kind of take it as a given to watch every battle no matter how well it went (also because it's fun to watch big fights), so didn't even think to mention it.

>>135837838
He doesn't even have an excuse.

>>135837601
That sounds dope, but I think I'll have to stick with pbem until I've got a better grasp on the game. Having the extra time to think things out and look stuff up makes MP sound less overwhelming

>Humans gradually replace more powerful races as time goes on through interbreeding or conquest.
Why are humans in this game equivalent to fantasy orcs

>>135837601

why's that?

>>135838303
I think you greatly misunderstand the role humans play in every other fantasy series.

We are the orcs, anon. We always have been.

>>135838303
Can't think of many fantasy worlds where orcs replace everything beyond Middle-Earth

>>135838381

Seems to attract the stalers, the memers, and the AI.

>>135838404

Better than Conan where if you leave apes on their own for a bit they turn into humans.

>>135837898

The new turn was out when you wrote that.

Agartha! We need to talk. You around?

>does anyone know how the warden bonding mechanic work in summod?
If you're using summod .52 or earlier, it's a ritual spell that allows the witch to summon a warden for each battle. It also has a small chance of boosting paths over time, selected from w/e/f/a, up to level 1 in that path, and no more than two boosts total. However, this was in practice clunky and difficult to work after a few blitzes, and the boost mechanic was redundant with some other changes, so in 0.53 I just changed it to an event.

>Also the round table stuff what does that do?
When a Knight Commander or Knight of Avalon becomes sufficiently experienced, they become a Knight of Earth* (* was round table, right now it's earth to make it less blatant. If I can convince Ohlmann to work with me, they might get integrated into the Knights of Stone). In addition, a commander who is a member of that knightly order can get promoted if at least one of 12 seats is open, which gives him a nifty new shield, another stat bonus and a magic item.

>>135836689
Weren't the other games in this series extremely poorly admined?

So how is this game treating the rest of you?

What does the numeric value for an AoE mean? Is that total number of squares, or is it a radius? I couldn't find an answer in the manual

>>135839998

Not anymore so than normal. Biggest issue was everyone was anonymous, so everyone just went ai/started staling at the drop of the hat.

>>135840276
Total squares, and the distribution of those is somewhat random.

>>135840276
Total number of squares

Sorry I was so late guys, was away from internet.

>turn 9 on /domg/ game
>3 players are already staling
christ

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Guys please help me, how do I multiplayer?

>>135840770
That's a singleplayer problem right there.
Have you played 6 months yet?

>>135840770
Do you have the Light infantry set to fire closest? What era are you playing? Why do you have no magic to back you up?

>>135840770
The slave warrior/elite warrior are generally better for expansion. If you just position them correctly you should take most non cavalry/crossbow indie provinces with minimal losses.

>>135840770
Light infantries are a terrible arrow bait if they're not massed. Also post deployment.

>>135840770
Mage support and chariots

>>135841394
Mage support for expansion? As c'tis?

>>135840770
As mentioned, in EA and MA there are better troops. In LA, the problem is mainly that you're simply outnumbered, and it seems like the scripting gave them a fair bit of archer fire as well as first hit. C'tis is a nation of herbivorous lizards, so you rout quite easily.

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>>135841172
I've played games before but definitely not six months.
>>135841175
I made a horrible scripting mistake; I set all on hold all and fire in hopes they'd be worn down by the Lizard Lord's smite but I completely overlooked the fact that they have archers and troops with javelins.
>>135841362
I've filled this turn with chariots and slave warriors, thank you.
>>135841383
I was hoping they would hit the City Guards, which is why I put them in the front line. Thanks.

>>135841394
Yeah, I noticed even that lame Witch Doctor did its job with the Vine Arrows. I underestimated mages, I'll bring some support. I heard a lot of good things about the chariots, cheers all!

>>135836503

Something like 50h on SP. Enough time to learn all the mechanics (using gems in battle, communions, rituals, items) and find out most of the good spells. Soon after that I joined a scrub game here and won it. In that single game I learned double of triple the amount that I had in SP, and I've learned even more after that.

>>135841829
You better test expansion in SP. It's the only worthwhile thing you can get out of it.

>>135841829
As EA/MA C'tis you want to use either taskmasters or indie commanders to lead your expansion parties (I usually put 1-2 sacred serpents in the squads to ensure they won't rout at the first sign of trouble if I'm using indie commanders) with your forts pumping out Sauromancers (EA) or Marshmasters (MA). As long as you position the troops right and use arrow decoys, the slave lizards will strike first/only have 2-3 enemies reach them first, and then they will kill and rout the enemies on their turn. I rarely see indies last more than 1 round against them once they get to melee beyond heavy cav, but then again those provinces you should avoid early on unless it's a crucial location.

>>135840162
Who even are you?

And the game is treating me about as well as it could given the nation.

>>135838830
I'm here, what is it~

>>135842634
Not him but is it just me or does the map seem way too big for the player count? If people don't start showing up at my borders soon (only found 1 player with scouts) I'm looking at 20-30 provinces before the borders settle.

To SpringHawks Admin, sent in a Pythium Pretender

Is there any word on the guy whose pc died? Are we waiting indefinitely until his return or are we getting a sub or what's going on?

>>135842886

I'd rather not have the game devolve into mashing stupid amounts of armour into one another while the blood and popkill nations shit on the world, so hop into the chat so we can talk, will you?

>>135843513
Your admin said he's finding a sub.

>>135844096
We would never shit on the world

>>135844276
Well then why the fuck are you playing Lemuria then? Down the world in your hordes and snuff out every bit of life force that remains.

>>135844276
I tried to be friendly and help people, therefore the three strongest nations are all invading me.

>>135842914
I'm glad you think that way. Honestly it seems too small, and I'm almost already out of expansion room.

>>135844790
Maybe I just got lucky then (or you expand really damn fast)

>>135844469
As insurance for when other people inevitably shit on the world? Like they've already done?

Xibalba . . . look'in at you.

>>135844096
Are you talking about the steam chat? If so, I'll come and talk in a bit.

>>135844469
>>135844590
Obviously I'm not just gonna sit and watch others conquer the world, but BoT rushing is boring as shit

>>135845029
Thanks. Appreciated.

Is there a TheNewCool player here?
Please PM the admin to browse this thread.
I want to sub rlyeh but the admin is dead, and i cant find it posted anywhere.

Game is unstarted (just woke up, jesus you mother fuckers are impatient) I'm going to lunch to eat then I'll restart with the newest sum mod (because turtle bugs)

>>135845097
I wasn't either, Pan's using it as an excuse to have Wrath of God and kill other's stuff whilst "helping", and I think C'tis is doing it for the death gems.

>>135845097
Oh yeah I'm in full agreement there. It has its place as a spell I suppose but I don't rush it.

>>135842405
Why Sauromancers? They take two turns to recruit, and I thought a quick Enchantment 5 for skelly spam was best. Is it worth sacrificing 18 research for Sauromancers?

>>135845359
As far as I know it isn't posted anywhere else. He seems to check this thread occasionally though.

>>135845367
I was really happy with my spot :c

>>135845693
Yes well. To bad.
I've also deleted Shinu for staling, if he wants to play he can resubmit, if one of you wants to play shinu steal it.

>>135845359

this thread is the contact point for the admin

If you want to take over a nation you need to provide an email address

if you're anal about posting your address, you can post up a burner and use that to contact the admin with your actual

>>135845359
>>135846070
the address is
Carlos_m_e_13 at hotmail.com

>>135845653
Reborn/shaman are 9rp/turn, Sauromancers are 15rp so essentially 7.5rp/turn since they are StR so yes you get a slower research (you might want to recruit shamans first year for the extra research but mostly since it's cheaper). But then reborns and shamans are pretty useless in combat (you can get shamans to do Stellar Cascades spam if you manage to get Light of the Northern Star, which you can't at least in the early game) compared to the Sauromancers, and you really need those Sauromancers for skelly/shadow blast/etc. spam

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>>135846570
I was planning on going on quick research, but I'll take this in consideration, thank you.

>>135846570
>>135845653
And to add to my last post, if you're planning on using lots of Couatls later on the shamans are okay for communions or the aforementioned LotN + stellar spam. But I still wouldn't recruit a lot of them, since I much rather already have some mage corps ready to move to the front lines when I get close to my mid game research goals (or in case an early invasion happens).

>>135845993
Are you high? Shinu had finally submitted his turn.

>>135847007
Waiting on it.

>>135845123
Are you still alive? Is that really all you wanted to ask me about?

>>135848129
Dude, you left the chat. I can't talk to you when you're not there.

>>135848289
Is that how it works? Woops.

>>135836775
Hello, I am here now. Post e-mail and so on.

>>135846492
>>135848934

>>135847509
No I just didn't see that he had done that.

>>135846492
>>135848934
Oh, you already did. Cool. I just changed the address; resending turn now.

>>135849021
yeah, just saw that.

I'd tell you to join the blitz in chat but apparently we already gave up when only 4 people joined.

>>135852715
That's fucking dumb. 4 is fine for a blitz.

>>135849059
Thanks!
I'm on it. Can someone inform me a bit about my diplomatic position? Also is Marignon chainstaling too?

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Any tips on playing EA Tien Chi with a focus on summoned troops? Love the idea of a spirit army being conjured up by priests.

>>135853985
Take a big bless and luck/magic scales. Wot5e don't need much gold, so you can expand even with turmoil scales.
I'm currently running S9W9 Dom8 T3S3H3G3L3M2. Your wushus are little blenders, and S9 makes your ancestors a massive pain to fight through without a magic weapon. H3 makes your fire summons nasty, and W9 is good for everyone. And luck/magic means you'll have a ton of gems.

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A successful push against Ermor

>>135854497
>Take a big bless
Yes
> and luck/magic scales even with turmoil scales
No, mainly because all your mages are expensive as fuck and your Master of the Five Elements already give you massive gem income.

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>>135855701
A not so successful push against Vanarus

>>135855701
Well, you... gained a province, at least?

>>135855895
>all your mages are expensive as fuck
Your only expensive mages are cap only, and an ancestor strategy will focus on your 65 gold D1 sacred mages, not your overpriced Masters of the Way.

>You already get massive gem income from sitesearching
So? Luck gives you even more gem income. It's not that hard to spend, and your main focus is your sacreds.

>says he's going to use his pretender for crossbreeding
>actually uses it for crossbreeding

What a cute player

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>>135855929
And in seven turns after human ermor turned AI he successfully as the most gem production per turn. Really the human was holding it back

>>135856378
The thing is that you still have to use regular troops and magic. Masters of the Way can still cast decent ish magic with their randoms. Wot5E are great but have obvious weaknesses and are limited to their cap. Flaming Arrows for example is quite good on their bowmen.
Ancestors don't even come up until you get conjurgation 7.

>>135856491
As an Ermor shitter, I am deeply embarrassed.

>>135856414
Is crossbreeding (or the improved variant) actually useful? I feel like there are probably easier ways to get lots of cheap meatshields if you want them

>>135856846
Improved Cross Breeding is great for getting chaff out of blood slaves. The downside is that you can also get, like, an army of elite demons instead which is better for winning. If you're trying to stuff a fort to prevent it from being sieged, it's one of the best spells you can cast.

>>135856846
There are some good crossbreeds but it's not generally worth it (especially not on pretenders)

>>135856784
As someone who is using that build and not theorycrafting about how shit it must be ...

>you have to use regular troops
You're able to. You can't pump out massive hordes quite as quickly, but I have several hundred bowmen/footmen running around supporting my armies even with sloth. Lower gold =/= no gold.

Also, frankly, you're less reliant on those troops. They're mostly there to distract from your main threats.

>Wot5e are cap only
So? You get 8 a turn, that's plenty to carry you into mid game
>Obvious weaknesses
Pretty much just arrowfire. Which is incredibly easy to deal with.
>ancestors don't come up until conj 7
Actually, they come up conj 1. Not many, but with a good bless they're much better than skeletons. I've used them to fend off a vanhere rush (in that game). With an S9 bless they take an average of 8 attacks to kill, and can stunlock most enemies by then. Also, you have magic 2, cheap researchers, and are rushing conj anyways.

>masters of the way can cast decentish spells
Not really. 135 gold for a communion slave is terrible. w1a1 is useless. W1N1 is nearly useless. W2 is not great until you get construction 6.

If I'm being aggresive, it's because you are currently telling me that a build I am using, and which is working well, is bad.

>>135857856
>>135857856
As someone who ran O3L1 with a W9 bless, most of my gem income came from using my Masters of the Five Elements to site search.
About Ancestors, they are frankly quite difficult to bless unless you have your prophet. I disagree about Masters of the Way being bad though. 1/4 of them are Heavenly River casters, 1/4 of them can cast mossbody or swarm, and 1/4 of them can summon elementals or cast spells like cleansing water or ice strike. Only the W1A1 could really be considered bad, but they're all priests as well.

>>135843513
The longest I would be willing to wait trying to get a sub is a week before I just AI him. next sunday Until then I'm going to give him until Monday to get back to me on his PC situation before I start really looking for subs I may already have a guy. I don't want to replace him though if he can replace his PC with one that works in the next 48 hours.

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Guess the memes

hint: it's not a wish machine

>>135859042
>135 gold for a mossbody caster
Yeah, ok mate.

>>135859302
Well he hasn't been responding here so I say just replace him tomorrow if he doesn't say anything about the situation.

>>135859438
Quadbless

>>135859779
I'm not quibbling over prices. If I'm only using weak undead, I'm asking for a stomping. Plus Masters of the Dead can't lead magic troops.

>>135860778
It's significantly cheaper than skellyspam, about as robust, and comes online MUCH sooner.

>>135860778
>If I'm using w9s9 wushus, supported by w9s9 spirits, I'm asking for a stomping

lmao how bad are you

>>135840770
If you're up against a province with mages, you should have mages too.

>>135861049
Skellyspam gets more bodies on the field with more HP each, and doesn't require a bless to be useful. If you're spamming ancestors, you either need one H3 or a number of H1/2s per army to keep them all blessed. The sheer number of mages and priests necessary to beat even smaller armies with ancestor spam makes it very inefficient.

Wot5E with a heavy bless are definitely awesome and not many nations have a good way of dealing with them early on so you can blessrush the fuck out of people with them, but ancestors aren't that great until you get the spell that lets you summon more than 1 per turn. At best they're a decent way to distract enemy troops from your Wot5E.

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>>135859438
also acro bro, take it easy m8

>>135855701
>K'uhul
How the fuck do you pronounce that? Or is it supposed to be Kúhul?

>>135862284
I just call it cool

are we good now? because damn, this is the rockiest start to a game I've ever had.

>>135862187
>free info
why didn't you cut your gems and income out?

>>135863061
He's new, but it's good of you to point that out.

>>135861289
You still have to bless the ancestors to become W9S9.

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>>135862946
Well, you didn't update summod.

>>135863590
I did, but it didn't. oh well, once more into the breach

>>135863061
So we can all be happy that at least we're doing better than R'lyeh? I mean I try to practice infosec when I post my stuff but.. come on.

>>135863205
He's also EA r'yleh, meaning most of the players will care more about Arcos possible position (and in relation to BATS) than Ryleh's anything

>>135863860
>infosec

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>>135861289
I don't know whether I should feel bad about starting this argument with a single question when I barely know the game. Hell I don't even know what the S in W9S9 is supposed to be, +Strength from the blood bonus?

What pretender do you two use and what scales?

>>135864025
This is a serious game, anon.

>>135864512
S is the indicator for aStral magic, in this case referring to the bless when you're creating your pretender.

A for Air comes first and steals it from astral.

>>135864512
sometimes you have to sacrifice a few acolytes to gain information.
it's definitely not shady or anything.

>>135864512
Water 9 Astral 9 carp. He posted the exact scales earlier.

Someone let me know when the wittymeme will be starting for real, please.

>>135864862
unless there's another huge glaring bug it's started.

>>135864684 >>135864851
Thanks, I'll look into it. Info went totally over my head when I read it before.
>>135864748
I'm having a mid-death crisis.

>>135863061
>>135863205
>>135863860
>>135863958
>>135864524
you got me gents. You figured out my gems and income after 15 turns. Now my entire game is ruined and I'll have to AI now

>>135866963
you didn't have to be a dick, we were trying to help you

if you don't appreciate advice you will have a hard time on dominions

>>135867693
fuck off, sai.

>>135853281
Welcome aboard.

You don't seem to be at war with anyone, just chilling in your part of the sea. Don't know if R'lyeh had any pacts with anyone - as for me, we've decided on the border and that's it. Chainstaling started after R'lyeh took two provinces on the island, all according to our agreement.

Marignon had some trouble sending the turns since the beginning - requested an extension once or twice in the first year and staled a couple turns. A few turns ago he apparently lost a battle against Bogarus and since then we haven't seen him at all.

The current wars are:
1. Jomon and Bogarus against Abysia and Agartha.
2. Man against Ragha.
I have no idea if Patala's doing anything.

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that's a pretty big dog

>>135868352
4u

>>135868352
U U U U

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>>135868352

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=SpringHawks

JOIN SPRING HAWKS, FEEL THE PLEASURE OF ATTACKING SPRING HAWKS THRONE ALL DAY EVERY DAY!

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>>135862284
>>135862476

>>135869646
Nice, we're at 9 players already. I'll wait about two hours for anyone else who wants to join and generate a random map then.

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>>135870086

Illwinter please update

>>135869646
How does it make you feel that wittymemename started before you?

>>135873329

I don't feel anything I just joined myself and decided to do some recruitment.

>>135873329
It started three times already.

It's not surprising that summod is popular, it's pretty great. I'm in the wittymeme myself. But there were some guys who wanted to play vanilla MA, so why not?

yo admin delete nazca, I'm gonna submit a different nation that I want more practice with

>>135876761
Done.

>>135877179
thanks goyim

lively

>>135868105
Thanks man. The help is pretty much appreciated.

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Beep boop, announcing open season on Marignon. Or at least, forcing him to use something other than hordes of sacreds to win the game.

>>135879981
MAGE SUPPORT
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S
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P
P
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T

Is it actually possible for a D4 mage to cast Darkness without boosters or a communion? Have I misunderstood things completely, or is it impossible to reduce the 400 fatigue on the spell because the required 4 gems is already as many as you can use?

>>135880181
A single mage won't take more than 200 fatigue from casting the spell. A D4 mage can cast Darkness easily.

>>135880181
You've misunderstood things completely.

The 4 gems required for casting already reduce the fatigue, so you don't need extra to cast them.

>>135880524
Ah!

I figured it was probably something like that, but it was better to get confirmation instead of losing a crucial battle. Thanks!

>>135880149
To be fair, Eriu didn't know how to play the game either. I think I saw maybe one mage aside from the pretender, which was an enchantress with 3 in every path.

>>135880784
Actually, that shouldn't be "either", since Marignon removed Ermor, so he's clearly doing something right.

>>135877179

Think we could change the thrones to have some T2 too? Maybe T3 too. Because just T1 is very rush prone.

>>135881126
Of course, current throne settings are just temporary.

>>135879981

Now announcing open season on Jotunheim, who shall surely fall before the holy might of Marignon.

>>135882101

Glub glub.

So now we're waiting two more days for Marignon?

Can someone please remind me, what's the key to do tactics for everyone that will be in a province next turn?

>>135885590
y

>Because it's a convenient shortcut to know.

>>135885590
"y" I believe.
Press ? next time you are looking for hotkeys.

>>135885691
Thanks mate.

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Springhawks now at 12 players

Hey there. I need some tactic help.
I am playing as la xibalba against arcos and midgard. Arcos is using an ether lord to raid me and i just got a bane lord. My research is cons4 and a shaman province. I am investing in blood now to get onaqui and illearth.
Should I try to thug with bane lords or let my armies deal with the ethereal lords?
I am surviving using beast bats, skelespam and illearth spam, but not enough to destroy my ebemies.
Also, midgard has a huge stack of einheres and vanjarls with TS spam. Any tips on that would be appreciated too.
Thanks

>>135887430
How's your alteration research coming? Iron Bane is your go-to here, since you don't use any iron.

>>135888527
Uhh
I made it this far without any alt...
I got conj5. Evo5. Cons4. Ench5. Blood almost7. Oh, and more than half upkeep, so i am only getting mages but not many zots

>>135888865
THERE IS YOUR PROBLEM.

Alteration is really, really good for you. Earth meld, Iron Bane, Quagmire, they're all great. They fuck over the enemy, and leave you in good shape. Onaquis aren't that great to spend all your time researching them, when you could be waddling your toady little feet across the battlefield and stabbing the helpless, weaponless, armourless bastard in the throat. Get some blessed Zotz swat teams to flank around and fuck up his mages, while the toads and summons hold the line and trample over him.

I also advise you to take everything I say with a grain of salt, as I am bad.

>>135889358
I know that, it´s just that this game I just didn´t do that!
I feel that Onaqui isn´t that necessary, but they do increase armies numbers and my god is built to cast infernal crusade. Generally I don´t get evo as xibalba, but I wanted to do some EQ with bloodstones, it does help against Arcos, but against Midgard with storm in every fight, geez...
Quagmire (and foul vapors) do sound like the way to go, but I am invested in blood now. I can hold my ground, but I will need some big force multiplier, so I will do as you suggest. Get more toads out there.

>>135887430
What's the gear on the ether lord?

>>135889890
Iron Bane is your force multiplier. Foul Vapours probably won't help much, as you don't have poison resist. It might harm more than help.

>>135890316
He can cast Purify Blood with a communioned Way.

>>135889980
it is ungeared, I dont know why...
my bless is BE, but I don´t know how to fit my own lords.
I dont know if xibalba really needs a thug, but I think in this situation, when I want my ¨armies¨ defending forts and mages researching, I could really use a couple of effective thugs.
But against ether warriors I would need some anti-magic beings I guess, and since ether lords have both S and D paths, my bane lord wouldnt stand much of a chance.

>>135890316
I see, but I will have blood 7 in couple turns, which allows me to cast purify blood (in a sabbath...). My armies are mostly beast bats and skelespam, but ofc I can use a months money to get troops instead of mages.

>>135889980
Also, what is he casting, and what is your bless?

>>135890674
the ethereal lord is spamming nether darts
bless is E8B8 (dont ask)
what if I take a couple of bloodhunters and spam hellbind heart?
sounds cool/legit?

>>135891015
if he is really spamming spells you can easily kill him with anything.

units with over 100 fatigue die easily to anything.

did you actually fight it?

>>135891015
Hellbind heart is mr-negate, and Ether Lords have mr 18, so not a great idea unless you really spam it.

You could try to use an handful of Obsidian Warriors. Their magic weapons will ignore the etherealness, and you can easily pump their strength up with blessing and strenght of giants.

>>135891015
>what if I take a couple of bloodhunters and spam hellbind heart?
You'll need more than a couple, but sounds good.

Check your positioning carefully, the range is a bit short and it's easy to be out of range. Also give them some screening troops, otherwise the ether lord will probably hit them with nether darts.

>>135891728
He might have soul vortex. That would keep him topped up on hp/fatigue against most chaff troops, you'd need to send something high-MR with good damage to kill him.

>>135891796
But if it works you get an ether lord. That's fairly deep S access that LA Xibalba doesn't have natively, and possibly a useful SC later.

>>135892214
>SC
Not with 25 hp, but I agree that and a "free" Ether Lord would be a valuable addition for anybody.

>>135892446
If you dump boosters on them until they can cast Soul Drain, they get pretty scary.

It's counterable if your enemy sees it coming, but if they don't it can wreck an army.

>>135891728
nah, I let it took some UW provinces
the lord has a retinue of 14 guys, so he can spam and get away with it.

>>135891796
that sounds excellent

I will try both approachs.
Thanks, it was enlightening.

>>135892214
I havent seen him casting soul vortex, I dont know if he hasnt it researched or if he is noober than I am.

If this entertain you guys, lets discuss how to deal with midgard now?
my current sketch of a plan is to just EQ the skinshifters out of the way, I would need like 5 casters?
they put up storm, which annoys the grievance of me. I am getting myself a little army of storm demons, so he will have a surprise later.
Quagmire, as pointed before, might help (it is ench and I can cast it).
A good dose of illearth should work too.

>>135893206
if you want to EQ, try using Darkness first.
EQ is a defense check, so if you lower it with darkness it will be more likely to damage their units.

Gythiea fag send your turn

>>135894148
Get cucked, I sent it a minute before you posted.

How many times in a row do you get the exact same random paths on your mages before you begin to suspect that natgen got it wrong?

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>>135896317
Dominions RNG is notoriously prone to streaks.

>>135893206
>Ether Lord
If he has a retinue, the small squad of Obsidian Warriors might get entangled with that. Ensure you bring enough (test it beforehand with the Debug mod)

>Midgard
After you open with the EQs, start skelespamming hard (you can do an ungodly amount with communions and earthpower D2). Season with Darkness, Rigor Mortis, Quagmire and Foul Vapors if you can get poison resist.

>>135898774
Thanks for the concise tips
I will post some pix when it happens, you know, for science

>>135898774
ugh, desura is ded
do anyone have an alternate link to debug mod?

>>135901127
https://www.dropbox.com/s/tgx1bwak9bzugdo/Test%20Package.7z?dl=0

>>135882950
No, screw that guy.

>>135882950

He did a turn after staling twice, so I'm not sure.

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=SpringHawks

The map is done, fixed and uploaded. I'll email llamabeast as well in case something went wrong and it needs to be uploaded manually.

I've changed a number of starting provinces from 3 to 2. Apparently, the game does not favor nation's capring when distributing provinces and it's probably better to avoid some people having a neighbour on turn 1.

If you want to change your pretender design because of that, now's the time to do so. I'll start the game tomorrow around 6 pm EST.

Sorry for the delay. Starting on March 21 wasn't part of my plan.

>>135903540
We've already gone one day and the next host is two from now.

>>135904338
Turn was extended for R'lyeh to get into things, but you're right, he has his turn in.

I guess we're officially looking for a Mari sub. I'll set him to AI if no one wants it by tomorrow afternoon.

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/domg/ games currently waiting for pretenders:

>EA
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=EAGAME
Map: Parganos (wraparound) [?]
Mods: Worthy Heroes 5.5
Nations joined so far:
Berytos

>MA
none at the moment

>LA
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=NEWLAGAME
Map: Valanis [?]
Mods: Worthy Heroes 5.5
Nations joined so far:
Ragha
Agartha


/domg/ games currently looking for subs:

>TheNewCool - LA Marignon
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=TheNewCool
turn 21
>>135882950

>Rapturous - EA Tir na n'Og
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Rapturous
turn 9
>>135670454 and >>135843513

>lagame - LA Gath
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=lagame
turn 39
>>135631554

>>135908293
Thanks for doing this

>>135908430
You're welcome. I'm not the one who started this, though. It's just probably the best kind of post to make when we're on page 10.

>>135909179
Nah the best kind are ridiculous suggestions like second shape horses

>>135911342
why not secondshape horseless cavalry? They lose attack/defense and fight on as infantry. You can even give their first shape different prot based on the barding that they already pay for.

>>135911853
Because no other troops with second shape do that

>>135911853

It's been suggested before. The big issue is that you'd have to make a second monsterid, sprite, and shape for EVERY cavalry in the game. Not a small undertaking.

>>135912228
Thed dude could probably do it.

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>Get construction 9 iron dragon for 30 earth gems
>It's not a commander

>>135912512
Pfft.

>>135912591
you can make it a commander

>>135912591
Divine Name

>>135912591
I'd ask if summod fixes iron dragons, but I suspect the answer is "yes, but not in any way you care about"

>>135913371
I think it makes them commanders and drops the price. My idea of it making dragon factories didn't take.

>>135913084
HOW?

>>135916251
>>135913161

>>135913161
what would happen if i did that to an eater of the dead and put a slave collar on him?

>>135916829
You'd have a feebleminded eater of the dead that would still break free on becoming unfettered.

>>135916902
well damn, is there anyway to slave that monster forever?

>>135917281
Don't let it eat too much.

>>135917345
So the same way you keep a woman. Got it.

>>135917345
might as well risk it away and wish for a doom horror.

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This is what happens if you feed it

How do you bring MA Ulm into the late game? I'm thinking that pushing hard for earth on your pretender allows you to contest for Earth Blood Deep Well and Earth royalty, but I'm too much of a scrub to see what you could actually do other than try to leverage a decent early and mid game.

>>135918293
Booster pretender to build out magic diversity via summons.

>>135917841
spoiler that shit, nasty!

>>135918293
you can do an awake pretender with deep earth for EBDW as you say, and push very hard to get an early/mid advantage and try to snowball your way to a win before you run out of steam, or you can go for diversity on your pretender and try to add to your late game arsenal that way.

What should a future OP include?

>>135924703
your favorite LP from an okay player

>>135924703
Hitler summoning guide

Game crashes when I try to take my dom4nationgen turn. Is it because of the update.

For summod;
Taking mod suggestions for the following nations. While I have some ideas, they're not entirely satisfactory:
LA Ragha (needs a nerf)

Buffs:
LA Man
LA Jomon
LA Pangaea

See previous suggestions compiled here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-0lPGb5Kwf9uPX0MQAm5WG2dU6tg7RpmNL7osenOce4/

>>135925602

What's the crash message?

>>135928456
There is none. It's just a CTD.

>>135927195
Ragha - nerf gryphons, make Ragha a nation focused on its fantastic StR mages instead.

>>135927195
Man- boost the randoms on the judges and the bean sidhes, so they can more consistently break into death.

>>135929690
Maybe have a High Judge mage or something with old age and path depth comparable to Magister Arcane i.e. D2F1 and some randoms.(maybe too much).

>>135927195
>LA Jomon
Cheaper cavalry and lower prod cost on their units to make expansion easier.
>LA Pangaea
Make the 10% random on the Pans 100%

>>135927195
>LA Jomon
Right now it's really hard to get a foothold underwater, since you'll likely be competing with at least one of Lemuria, R'lyeh, Atlantis. These three nations can bring all their mage support and troops to an underwater fight, whereas Jomon can't.

They could use better land mage options or better ways underwater.

Make LA Pangaea's Grove Guards sacred. Their name and lore already imply that they should be.

>>135927195
>LA Jomon, a nation with a 1/23 w/l record to get a buff
>LA Abysia, which has never won even a single game isn't.

>>135927195
>LA Jomon
Give the monks of the fivefold path +1S so they have a better battlemage for their nifty sacred spells and a cheaper communion slave.
Give them a new mage with linked randoms so they can consistently get higher paths i.e. 2(FAWEN) .1(FAWEN).
Give them an amphibious "Shugenja of the Seas" with W(FAWEN) and gift of water breathing, so they can get underwater more easily.

>>135932732
LA Aby is fine, just like LA Ulm is

>>135932732
He's planning on buffing all the under-preforming nations, but he only needs ideas for these three.

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How have you guys not taken Agarthas cap by now?

I've been having problems with steam, could I have a 12h extension.

>>135936580
You can run dom4 directly through the exe.

>>135936662
But I can't update.

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I'm going to be facing an early game war with Lemuria soon. Other than banishment spam, what other options can I pursue in terms of magic? Is there a spell that gives your units magic weapons other than flaming arrows? Is it possible to muscle through their ghosts with physical units if I have a significant economic advantage?

>>135938731
Solar Rays? Flaming Arrows?
Really though it depends what nation are you?

What if the game randomly generated all spells and rituals on a per match basis and you didn't know what was in a level of a school until you researched it. It feels like that would solve 90% of the game's problems. Things like RoS would still exist but there's be a lot of overpowered and underpowered spells and it'd be roughly random instead of everything being moderately okay with a few outlying totally fucking useless spells and a few that just obliterate everything else. It wouldn't matter if there were super over powered spells anyway because you wouldn't just be able to beeline to it.

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>>135939259
Wut

>>135939034
I have access to all paths of magic but water. Is flaming arrows really the only spell that gives your units magic weapons?

>>135939306
When you start a game the only spells you can see are conj0/alt0/ench0/etc and they're randomly generated. When you research conj1 you can see and juse conj1 spells and they are also randomly generated.

>>135939436
> Is flaming arrows really the only spell that gives your units magic weapons
Yes. Although you can summon units that have magic weapons like mantises or even better, use fire or air elementals since they have aoe attack and are tough as heck.

>>135939259
>>135939461
That's completely stupid if you're leaving it all to chance.

>>135938731
Prioritize construction 4, or find someone willing to trade you endless bags of wine. You'll need the supply items.

You can't give magic weapons outside flaming arrows (which I'm not sure actually makes the weapon itself magic, it might just add a magical secondary effect). The best you can do is summon units with magic weapons or use magic. If you have fire elementals, those would be very powerful but expensive on gems.

>Is it possible to muscle through their ghosts with physical units if I have a significant economic advantage?
It's probably possible if you have a numbers advantage, as they'll have an even harder time hurting you than you will have hurting them. The issue is their fear-causing units, which are likely to be spread among their troops. Given the time any such battle would take, odds are your troops will end up routing long before the fight ends.

>>135939506
>air elementals
Don't have an AoE attack, and would be a bad option here since they will attempt to trample instead of attacking anyway.

>>135939556
It's not stupid then because it's not all to chance because you'd know you're getting summoning when you go for conjuration or evocation when you go for evocation. It'll also add a cool diplomatic aspect because you could make a trade by saying "I managed to research this really good battlefield wide spell I'll tell you where it is if you give me X"

You just wouldn't know where all the good spells are at the start and would have to learn as you go instead of just "I will make my pretender E2A3 because I know that's where all the good spells are and I can ignore all the others"

>>135939682
But that's just kinda fucking retarded because most spells in Dominions are either trash with a little amazing for each path.
Let's take Summon Tarrasque for example compared to something like Living Clouds.

>>135939786
tarrasque would be good at conj 1, since your opponents might have issues with dragon slaying at that point.

>>135939259
>>135939461
>>135939682
That would be terrible, because you would have no idea where the counters to enemy strategies are.

You could end up fighting MA C'tis who got foul vapors at ench1, and have the poison resistance spells to counter it sitting at ench9.

It would also make RoS even stronger in some situations, because it's available ridicuously early (e.g. evo1) before anyone has counters ready.

>>135939839
Without boosters, you'd need a pretender to cast it. Also, no gems that early.

>>135939786
I'm confident that the spell generator would generate mostly good spells if unlike illwinter, you actually put in some effort to generate useful spells. Things like touch of death are only useless because of the broken mage AI.
>>135939953
That's just a question of having the spell generator lock combinations of certain attributes behind levels ie battlefield enchantments being locked behind level 5 of any school. And weighing certain attributes to schools so enchantment having a high probability of giving you buffs that protect vs damage types.

>>135940205
>That's just a question of having the spell generator lock combinations of certain attributes behind levels ie battlefield enchantments being locked behind level 5 of any school.
Foul Vapors at level 5 and the counters at level 9 is still really really bad.

That's 25 turns or more between the two research levels, and that's assuming my research was focused on enchantment from the start.

>>135940418
*unzips level 1 wish

>>135940418
Also, if I'm understanding your idea right, I wouldn't have any assurance that the counter would be in enchantment, or even that it exists at all.

>>135941054
There's no way you could possible have the pearls to cast wish even if you could wish at lvl 1 alt.

>>135941647
SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE CAPITAL

>>135940418
>>135941621
You'd get something. There'd be very good odds of getting some form of poison resistance before a battle wide poison enchantment came online, you might get something really weird like aoe ench3 poison resist with an MRN checked chance to disease but you'd get something. And it goes both ways, you might get some window of opportunity to take advantage of a really good spell that the other guy isn't prepared for. It becomes your ability to think on your feet, adapt, and the bit of randomness/unfairness that is inherent to dom4 instead of this super set in stone X nation uses Y spell Z nation counters with W spell.

are large armies actually a viable thing into lategame or are they vulnerable to getting shat on by squads of mages or overworld spells

does one have to mix a lot of mages into the 'mundane' for coverage or what

>>135941886
>and the bit of randomness/unfairness that is inherent to dom4
What you're suggesting is a lot more randomness than currently exists in dom4. Many nations depend very heavily on getting specific spells to be able to fight, especially against certain types of enemies.

It might be workable if you added randomly generated spells onto a fixed list which keeps most of the dom4 spells. That way you'd have reliable magic goals which don't rely on favorable RNG while still retaining some degree of improvisation.

To encourage improvisation you could make randomly generated spells more powerful than vanilla spells, on average.

Well how do you deal with Foul Vapors if you don't have nature access?

>>135943065
You need to have answers to army clearing spells, and the exact nature of those spells will depend on your army and who you're fighting against.

>>135943873
Can you not hire an N1 indie?

>>135943873
You can kill the enemy spellcaster

>>135944367
So if the caster dies/retreats the enchament is gone like globals? Cool.

>>135944426
Yep. Some battlefield wide effects modify units directly, like fog warriors and so on, so those will stay, but anything that creates a battlefield enchantment icon is tied to the caster.

>>135943873
In order of preference:

Throw down your own battlefield spells that kill faster. (RoS and earthquake are ideal, since they'll likely kill the enemy caster as well and aren't massively harder in research)

Use only regenerating units (e.g. if you have N9 bless you could field a sacred-only army)

Try to win the battle quickly using aggressive tactics. Hope you don't lose your whole army to poison once the battle finishes.

Break into nature, very quickly. Probably via indies.

>>135944296
>Can you not hire an N1 indie?
The lowest level poison resistance spell is N2 and costs a gem. You'd need a thistle mace for that.

>>135943664
>Many nations depend very heavily on getting specific spells to be able to fight, especially against certain types of enemies.
That's what I want to get away from. Instead of being about using your nation's specific spells, and then other nations using their specific counter spells, it'd be about using whatever the game throws at you, and then other people trying to find something on hand that can fight against it.
>What you're suggesting is a lot more randomness than currently exists in dom4
Events can make or break you to the point of ending the game, mage AI and the dice rolling is designed to have a chance at totally throwing things on their asses.
>>135943664
>It might be workable if you added randomly generated spells onto a fixed list which keeps most of the dom4 spells. That way you'd have reliable magic goals which don't rely on favorable RNG while still retaining some degree of improvisation.
I guess if you're that scared of the edge case where the game literally generates nothing you can use then there can be a small set of guaranteed spells.

>>135945239
That'd be cool and all but I'd rather have something that isn't built like MtG or Heartstone randomness.

>>135945372
>MtG or Heartstone randomness
I see what you're afraid of but the issue with card games is that you know you'll get something specific and you plan around getting it at a specific time, which creates the issue where if you don't get it you're shit out of luck, or if the other guy doesn't get what he wanted then he's shit out of luck and you win. Also the fact that they are competitive 1vs1 games with the assumption of a level playing field, while dominions 4 is not, makes it a false equivalency.

>>135944607
or a communion.

>>135945239
>I guess if you're that scared of the edge case where the game literally generates nothing you can use then there can be a small set of guaranteed spells.
The game doesn't need to generate nothing I can use to put me in a bad position. It just needs to generate spells which aren't very good.

Say I'm EA Maverni, and I don't get a good astral evocation (lets say, all the ingame astral evocations except stellar cascades). What am I going to do in combat, especially against hostile sacreds?

>>135946187
>all the ingame astral evocations except stellar cascades
geysers are situationally good. I actually just won a fight by spamming it with LotNS S2s

>>135946231
Maverni best shot at S2 is 1/4 chance (or StR cap-only), though. You'd need to get LotNS for that as well, which also can't be relied upon.

You could do it via communion (if you get lucky enough to have that spell) but I'm not sure about how well that'd work.

>Game crashes whenever a mage casts a spell that encompasses a large portion of the battlefield

My really old Nvidia 210 can't handle this game apparently

>>135924703
The dropbox link of the Debug mod.

>>135946187
>What am I going to do in combat, especially against hostile sacreds?
Use one of the spells which are good. Or play your cards right until you get one which is good.

>>135946754
You can lower the quality in the options menu

>>135946754
Does dom4 even use the graphics card? My hd7870 struggles to render the UW screensaver in the menu.

>>135946903
>just hope for RNG to go your way
Yeah, no thanks.

>>135938731
>banishment spam

good fucking luck mate, lemurian ghosts have 13 MR by default and boost up to 17 MR with their national holy spells

>>135912512
You forgot that I'm pretty bad at spriting.

>>135948232
so what do then?

They're ethereal so they have high physical defense and they apparently have high magic resist. So how to kill them?

>>135950168
Their weapons are MR Negates, what troops do you have with high MR?

>>135934537
Are you prepared to take yomi down?

Agartha, are you going to let me have The Royal Forest so I can settle that as my border?
If so I would appreciate it and won't move any further towards you.

It's alive!!!

If I want to Wish for the death of a specific pretender, what should I put in the Wish field? Just "kill [name of pretender]"?

Well, Date has gone AI, and his stack that was on my cap is dead.

I reiterate, what the hell?

>>135952268
Praise jebus, play your Rapturous turn (that goes for Lanka and R'lyeh too)

>>135946187

>hur marverni can't cast lotns
>communion nation with master matrix access

What.

>>135954175
Read the reply chain before commenting.

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>>135953661
>Date has gone AI
God damn it, he only lost a single fight.

This game has been the worst.

>>135954305
That's a lot of monks, why do you have so many monks?

>>135953640
kill [nation] pretender

>>135954379
I've been using them for really cheap research, especially since I have a number of provinces where I don't need a fort to recruit them (just lab+temple). I'm not sure if it's worth it, but I think I've got the best research in the game right now.

That's my entire research force mobilized on defense duty, because the majority of my troops (and a good chunk of my useful mages) are over in the west taking shit from the guy who went AI there.

>>135954678
That makes sense, also Date seems to have spurned human troops in favour of demons/undead for some reason?

Seeking Arrow is used on low protection commanders, Mind Hunt on low MR ones, but is there any ritual that targets low morale commanders?

>>135954742
Yep, dunno why.

A lot of people seem to have built their pretenders around summons. Tokugawa, Date, Shimazu, and the guy who was writing pony messages all took E/D/F pretenders, with varying degrees of magical skill.

>>135927195
>buffing LA Pan
to what purpose?

>>135954947
Seeking arrow is armor-negating. You want low-HP target, not a low-prot one.

Seduction targets morale, although it's not a ritual.

>>135938731

Cast antimagic and laugh at their ghostly pilums. If you have access to death spam dust2dust.

>>135954950
I don't know if Tokugawa had a plan, honestly.

>>135955327
With the number of people dropping out, I'm starting to wonder if anyone in this game had a plan.

The two guys over to the northeast seem to mostly have their shit together, but I'll need to fight my way through AI to get to them (and they'll probably end up fighting each other before I can do that).

I'm surprised there are no comments on vampire lord jomon yet.

>>135955156
Didn't know that about Seeking Arrow. sweet.
But yeah, don't really have seduction at the moment.

>>135955620
AllWeebs 2 will have a "You will be stabbed in the face" clause for going AI randomly.

Come on, given everyone is mostly humans and has high E, getting into blood for at very least bloodstones should have been assumed.

>>135936714
I gave an extension, have you managed to update yet?

>>135956429
Sorry, no It's a problem with my network, I'll talk to the admins soon.

>>135955327
>>135955620
>>135956073

I went for something a bit extreme without testing it that turned out to be a bad idea with the map indies. Also, with ashigaru harquebusiers. They change jomon a lot.

http://blitzserver.net/matches/view/91

^ THIS IS A DIRECT CONNECT GAME.

Why do you guys hate convenience.

>>135957575
It's cool and we appreciate it. But is it a real game or just a test to see if blitzserver works? If it's a real game, you should update the mods. If it's a test, why would you need more players?

>>135957805

a) it's not my game, i'm a player

b) it's an actual game, and it's been waiting for players for so long that the mods are valid, despite me spamming the thread there's always someone acting surprised that it exists

What do you do about War Elephant provinces when expanding? It seems like trying to force a quite rout is the way to go but I'm still not 100% clear on the morale mechanics and how to force a check. I've got about 3 D2 casters that could toss out some Frightens but if I'm not mistaken they'll still have to take damage on top of that before their morale matters. I have slingers and indy shortbow archers, would those be enough to punch through the elephants' armor and cause them to rout?

I'm EA Ermor, if they have any other tricks to use against elephants. Since the elephants are centered, I might actually get some cavalry to slip past them with Attack Rear and just chew up the commanders and slingers.

>>135959797

6 gladiators per elephant

>>135959797
>get some cavalry to slip past them with Attack Rear and just chew up the commanders and slingers
This.

>>135959797
Your troops all have javelins.

>>135960094

3 equites per elephant will also do the trick

>>135961921

javelins don't reliably stop elephants unless you have an absolute crapton of javelins. Same for slingstones, arrows. Just enough melee damage to rout the elephant group is fine though.

Still having problems, will need extensions in my other games too.

>>135962597
Right-o. 24 hours enough?

>>135962649
Hopefully.

>>135962789
Fingers crossed then.

>>135962035
20 usually works fine for me, but I must admit I haven't tested it as opposed to ad-hoc use.

>>135957575
How do you join?

Okay so I've got the debug mod but how do I set up a battle to match the one I'm hoping to test. Since it's indies they don't quite match the unit roster of any one nation. I could edit the tinytest map to have to correct indy types that I could then recruit, but I'm hoping there's an easier way.

>>135963437

Dominions client. Go multiplayer game, put in 'blitzserver.net' as the ip, put in the port on the website as the port, then click the nation that you want to upload a pretender for, choose the pretender you want to use.

Then go to the website and put in your email and when you want turn reminders to show up. This step is so that moggers knows you are a real person (tm) and so you get email reminders of turns happening.

>>135932732
LA Abysia is getting a buff. The difference is I already have a concrete idea of what to do with it. (in fact, it's pretty much done).

LA Jomon and the other named nations I have some ideas, but nothing firm just yet.
>>135955030
To make them suck less. Even though I like them, they're a below average nation that got hit pretty hard by changes (such as the seduction nerf) as the game has been progressively patched. They're not quite as ass as some other nations, so they won't be getting anything major, but they will be getting some sort of boost.

>>135963650
You can edit tinymap to have the exact right units already in the province.
Failing that a lot of debug sensai wishes can work.
>>135964867
Mounted samurai bows, coastrec amphibians to get underwater (Ryujins are pretty good 5 path flying mages)

>>135964867
Foriegnrec dryad(or satyr) "Daughters(sons if satyrs) of Pandemonium", heretic and cause unrest, but have blood.

>>135965064
The problem with editing the map to already have the units in place doesn't (to my knowledge) allow me to tweak the positioning, which in this case can kinda make a big difference. How would the debug wishes help me? I tried looking up wish guides but the ones I could find that seemed relevant were all on desura. Is there a syntax for wishing for the proper unit?

>>135965480
If you give the units to a nation, that nation then starts with those units so you can position them.

Wishing for "unit name" gets you 1 unit of that name. It's generally only done for commanders.