/dsg/ - Soulsborne General

/v/ stay out please.

Bloodborne did nothing wrong

With so much of the obvious now known of the area in DS3, r8 the Undead Settlement out of 10, and also what you thought of it so far too.

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can someone make a souls related carl?

system requirements WHEN?

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>A week from release
>still no info on covenants

We have Bluebabby+Bluebros, Warriors of Sunlight, and Darkwraiths or a similar stand in. That leaves 5 more left.

>>135662526
9/10 I fucking love it, especially the Curse-Rotted Greatwood.

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Its my bday today. making some tacos and then I'm gonna discuss dark souls with you guys.

>>135662219

... But anon, I want the statue...

>>135662639
Purple bros, prob abyss watchers

>>135662591
YOU'RE IN THE FUCKING WAY OF WHITE

>>135662668
Not your personal blog.

>>135662568
It's not literally the same area in that sense, but it's clearly meant to be a wink and a nudge at DaS players.

>>135662478
Video of stream when, I need more people being shit at Souls in my life

the last thread is why /bbg/ and /dsg/ should stay separated.

>>135662639
purples and those fucks with the vertebrae

How does Bone Fist handle infusions?
I want to make a punchy pyro build for last full DS2 run.

Anyone got pics of the new armors in Dark Souls 3 ?

Is there like one big picture that combines them all in a list?

>>135662789

I still think those are the invasion covenant in this game. I mean, the purple NPC invader didn't have a gimmick, did he?

>>135662813
kek

>>135662837
No, the last thread is why /v/ and /dsg/ should stay separated.

>>135662668
Happy birthday anon, we <3 you

>>135662837
nah it was a guy from /v/ who actually cares about graphics in souls games instead of framerate.

Anyone else going to farm that flamberge?

>>135662837
/bbg/ should still exist to host events and to set up co-op since the online in the game is pretty dead, but there's no reason that there should be a general that talks about DeS and DaS but not BB. That's idiotic

>>135662837
Somehow you're confusing /v/ with /bbg/.

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>>135662971

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Lets hope DS3 will have multiple parts and themes per boss

>>135663213
>since the online in the game is pretty dead
Not true at all, you can still get plenty of people for shit bosses like BSB. The only area where things are completely dead is hemwick.

>>135662837
/v/ and /r9k/ degenerates =/= /bbg/

>>135663168
Did you watch the IGN stream? They killed the dude with it and didn't even use a coin.

>>135662526
it already looks like an area that will be 2spooky and 2hard for me to fully enjoy, like New Londo Ruins. the enemy placement is all over the place and the guys in the stream were dying to regular enemies in 2-3 hits. i feel like its always going to be something I dread playing through
10/10

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Let's have another one. This time about shock waves.
http://strawpoll.me/7119192

>>135663527
Is this even a question?

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>This theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k3XXGmu-dw

>>135662549
Why do people call Bloodborne "sickdark"? It's not been sunshine and rainbows in any other From RPG.
Bloodborne is way less grimdark, because two of the endings are fairly optimistic, and the "gods" in this setting aren't complete assholes..

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>>135662668
happy bday bro. enjoy your tacos.

>>135663346
Of the 4 bosses we've seen so far, at least 2 have had very clear 2nd phases, so I don't think you need to be worried

>>135663398
I played through for the first time recently and even with making a point of not killing the bell-ringers and often summoning NPCs, I got invaded twice in the whole game. Plus when I tried to summon help for Logarius it took probably 25 minutes to find someone. Certain things are decently active, but it's clearly dying down

Did anyone notice just how long precisely the coin's effect lasts? There was a gold serpent head underneath the stamina bar while it was active. I wasn't counting because both times they used it I was too focused on what they were doing.

>>135663527
Isn't that just Agility/adaptability being a shit concept? I never experienced "shockwaves" when I made an effort to leveling it.

>>135663632
>literally sickdark music

>>135663671
Please don't reply to /v/.

>>135663346
It seems, if bloodborne and some of the press release stuff is anything to go on, second half of battle phase change is going to be the name of the game from here on out in soulsstuff. So if thats what you're looking for then thats something at least.

>>135663632
Laurence's is actually probably my least favourite bgm from the dlc.
Living Failures blow it out of the water.

>>135663727
Probably. It makes the beginning of the game unfair imo.

>>135663727
No, it also happens when you're not dodging.
I would show you some webms, but I don't want to ruin the thread.

>>135663702
>when I tried to summon help for Logarius it took probably 25 minutes to find someone
that's actually completely standard, even when the game was brand new and when ToH came out

>>135663727
kind of
every attack has shockwaves, no matter how small
and because agi is a thing and ds2 hitboxes are the most fucked in the series it makes them more pronounced

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>>135663834
>Living Failures
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmk5frp6-3Q

>>135663834
Living Failures boss fight was pretty boring though

>>135663346
It's already confirmed. OST for both phases. I'm ready for another god tier last boss theme
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH3mbB3H57g
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V9zxXN1rx0

>>135662668
Happy Birthday, froggu-kun

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>>135663632

>>135664028
So was Laurence.

At least their name carried less pretense.

what's a good spot to farm a boss at lvl 50? I'm standing around Smough and Orstein with my sign at the bonfire and no one is summoning me.

>>135663671
Gwyn, Nito, the Witch, and the Pygmy aren't assholes either. Gwyn sacrificed himself to keep the age of fire going, which by his reckoning was the only thing that made civilization possible, Nito looks spooky because he inherited the death soul but lives underground and doesn't bother anyone, the WoI fucked up big time but that was out of incompetence, not malice, and the Pygmy was dead when the denizens of Oolacile clearly resurrected and imprisoned him so he has a right to be pissed.

is a caestus run in das 2 painful?

>>135664028
I thought it was fairly alright for a mob boss fight. Nice arena, mobs assume an strategy rather than just try to zerg rush you, cool limit break.

>>135664125
I liked Laurence a lot, the Living Failures were great visually.

>>135664185
For you.

>>135664185
nah, its pretty good once you get the bosses down

>>135664185
no, it's one of the few runs in the game that don't put you to sleep halfway through

>>135664047
Gotta wonder whats going to be our final boss for Ds3, and I'm curious to see what the halfway twist/plot reveal we're going to get is, because its probably more complicated than getting a giant, a fanboy and a man who by all rights should be in a bucket into a collection of thrones.

>>135664172
lvl 50 is a pretty good level for O&S and the bonfire is a good summon spot. ive been having issues getting summoned there lately as well, idk why

>>135664185
Not really. Cestus are actually really powerful; in 2 and the powerstance moveset has very high damage output. The lack of reach and stagger can be tricky to play around but it's certainly not painful.

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>>135664028
>Boss right after boss
I kinda hope they do that in DS3

>>135664183
The gods feared humankind, specially Gwyn. Their sacrifice wasn't for the benefit of mankind. Seath goes apeshit insane and experiments on people, Nito goes NEET and the Witch fucks everything up with demons because she really wanted another Flame.

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>>135663834
>blows it out of the water
the only thing that blows here is your shit taste

>>135664394
They did it in DS2...well sort of if you count the throne boys nashandra scholar triple threat gauntlet. But yes boss into boss would be a wonderful thing for DS3.

>make my character thunder thighs Ciaran
A reason to live until DaS3.

>>135664519
Seath and Nito didn't sacrifice anything.

>>135663730
sickdark isnt a genre in music

Do we know what weapons you can get early on? I want to roll Herald, but spears are lame.

>>135664519
What evidence is there that the gods feared humans? Oolacile is like a 10 minute walk from Anor Londo and they never attacked it or anything. Hell, Gwyn even sends Artorias there to help out woth their abyss problem.

Seath is definitely an asshole, but he's not a god, just a turncoat dragon

Who /preordering Dark Souls 3 for their 10 inch Red Knight Statue and free Keychain/ here?

I'm also buying Dark Souls 2: SotFS and going to binge all 3 games.

>>135664734
Everything we've seen until now.

>>135664359
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k26HmyfY0Q4
>And they'd have us seek the Lords of Cinder
>they
Isn't Miyazaki said DS3 story will be very sad?

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>>135664835

>>135664791
>What evidence is there that the gods feared humans?
They feared humanity, not humans.
Kaathe confirmed.
>Hell, Gwyn even sends Artorias there to help out woth their abyss problem
They didn't send Artorias to save Oolacile, but to stop the abyss, which is the greatest sourc e of humanity.

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At least the mugenmonkey will be complete by the time I get the game

>>135662948
>give me warm, give me soft.png
this is fucking adorable, thank you.

>>135664954
Fuck, does it come with its own bundle of wood for a bonfire or does it just have a mummified pygmy inside.

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>>135665102
How fast do those usually come after release?

>>135665143
You get your very own Japanese person signed by Miyazaki himself.

>>135665143
Dark Souls bonfires burn a mixture of bones, souls, and Humanity; not wood.

>>135664734
once you kill Gundyr and get to Firelink you get access to every starting weapon like Bloodborne. Undead Settlement is littered with weapons too

>>135665284
six months

>>135665284
Halfway through

>>135665284
Less than a week.

>>135665347
I'm well aware
I just think that wood works for a replica bonfire, bones souls and humanity are fucking expensive to put in a vidya box set.

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Who else is going to choose the actual best class?

>Low Vitality, perfect for Flynn's Ring
>12 Attunement for Pyro
>10 Intelligence and 8 Faith, perfect for 10/10 for Great Combustion and maybe some other Pyromancies
>High Dexterity

Dex/Pyro master race incoming. Away with the generic Knight.

>>135665527
Well maybe that's why the box set is so fucking expensive.

>>135665531
Meh. I posted an image for ants.

>>135665531
I always started with warrior, but this time I want to do cleric.
I really like the new maces, and I'm excited about the return of divine miracles.
I always thought that lightning being associated with faith was kinda lame.

>>135663671
because every boss screams at you in the most edgy way possible

the graphics look edgy as fuck

the characters are edgy as fuck

the enemies look edgy as fuck

and it's always night time with blood everywhere.

"this game looks sick" says the normalfag and the game is grimdark.

sickdark.

>>135664954
>sold out
take my fucking money shit

>>135665531
I'm going thief all the way
Best starting fashion
Best starting weapon
And I get to dickass people with status effects.

>>135665734
that is the worst explanation of sickdark I've ever heard lol

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>>135665734
Christ.

>tfw Cleric has better stats and starting weapon but Herald has better armor and the stats aren't that likely to get in the way

help

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>dark souls 2 'endgame' pvp meta is just havelrolling rapier buff: the game

is there a character creator like dark souls 2 had? i've played this shit for hundos of hours in ds2 and i just want to make low level theme invaders before this horrible broken heap of shit dies from the ds3 release

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>>135665309
>comes with a Japanese guy who passively lives with you for a couple of weeks
>lives in the box, cleans himself, comes with enough food to last his stay
>gives live commentary in the style of Miyazaki while you play, if you ask

I'd buy it.

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>>135663527
>>135663626
Yeah this isn't even a contest.

I'll try something more interesting.

http://strawpoll.me/7119351

>>135665848
>choosing your class for the equipment
You know that the first enemies in the Undead Settlement drop the whole thief set right?

>>135665531
I actually don't care, because your first character is always useless for builds. I will pick knight or mercenary for atmosphere

>>135665939
>r like dark souls 2 had?

meant dark souls 1. had a really, really good and simple character save importer without the use of cheatengine so you could just spiff up new pvp builds on the fly without investing ten hours into a maybe character

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>get killed in Bloodborne
>get transported to some prison or whatever
>getting shit on by everything in here
>find some electrical beast boss
>does 9/10ths of my hp in one hit

this place is horseshit

>>135665929
If you want to go Paladin go Herald if you want to go full miracles go Cleric. That or just go with best fashion.

>>135665734
What's wrong? An anon, unnerved by a few beasts?

>>135666120
SANGUINE

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VOTE FOR DS3 WEAPON TYPE

http://strawpoll.me/7119362

>>135666120
you will seriously miss that easy version of that place when you visit it again

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Rest in pieces, sweet prince, hollowed be thy name.

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>>135665881
>>135665906
>>135666141
and here comes the sickdark defence force

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>>135666120

>>135666047
I've only played Dark Souls and Bloodborne but I really enjoyed both Gwyn and Gerhman. Moon Presence is terrible though.

>>135666120
That area is much tougher than anything before nightfall. It's almost the equivalent of going to DeS World 4 first. Tough as shit, but well rewarded.
I really hope there's more secret areas like that in DS3.

>>135666221
There are no twinblades in Dark Souls 3.

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>>135666267
>the offence is just one /v/ poster

>>135666120
>the first thing the retard doesn't do is find a way out of that hellhole
well I guess you can say retard down

You need to be around level 50 to not get one-shotted in that place. And in order to beat the Darkbeast Paarl you need to get real up close and personal and not be a pussy.

>>135662958
Purple NPC dropped that vertebrae thing, suggesting he's part of the Mound-Makers.

And we know the Red Eye Orb is in the game, it'd be weird if it wasn't tied to the invasion covenant.

>>135666047
>Bloodborne has two potential final bosses
So does DS2 since they added Aldia. And False King wasn't necessarily the final boss in any way, since you can do the areas entirely out of order if you want.

>>135666359
these things are fucking ridiculous doing 3/4 of my hp in one hit

>>135666221
>six different kinds of sword
>forgets to list Greatswords and Ultra Greatswords

kys

>>135666379

Wrong. The Mercenary starts with some and Vaati picks up some others in one of his videos.

>>135666379
Source?

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>>135666267
here's some more ''You''s you hungry rapscallion

>>135666479
Welcome to Bloodborne.

>>135666267
no its not even that, you didnt even explain how it was sickdark. you literally just said every thing is "edgy as fuck". You could've at least mentioned how most of the garb is dark or how nearly everything has the word blood in it. but instead you made yourself look like a complete ass.

Is respec option confirmed? It's pretty bad choice. It's kills low online level traffic and character characterisation

>>135666501
The mercenary starts with twin blade (which is two scimitars), not twinblades.

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requesting someone post the image showing all of the starting classes

>>135666382
>>135666529
>>135666552
>they think we're the same person

>>135666501
>Wrong. The Mercenary starts with some and Vaati picks up some others in one of his videos.

Twinblades as in the DaS2 variant. You know, like Darth Maul?

>>135666501
I didn't forget to list them, greatswords are a type of straight sword. I didnt list Greataxes either because it would be redundant.

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>>135666445
>DS3 has three final bosses in a row
>They are all terrible
Moon Presence was mediocre, and yet it was still MUCH better than anything in Throne of Want.

>>135666556
An NPC is supposed to be able to change your character face as well. At this point we might as well just make one character and just play the game on successive NGs at this point.

>>135666556
>Respecialization
While Miyazaki is unsure if the “Soul Vessel” item will be available in Dark Souls III, he says there will be a method for players to reallocate stat points so that they can change builds around without having to create a completely new character. “I’m not sure if the same sort of item will be implemented, but there will be a method for players to re-assign souls,” Miyazaki says.

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>>135665347
Was the rite of kindling just the knowledge that you can chuck more humanity into the bonfires to make them brighter? That's all the picture is.

Seems like it shouldn't be that hard to figure out regardless

Nothing new then? Gotta wait until the 24 to get fully spoiled

>>135666479
That's their gimmick. They're comically easy enemies with fuckhuge damage if you fuck up. They give you a suckerpunch death in order to unlock Hypogean Gaol and then are just easy mooks thereafter.

Protip: they're too tall to fit through most doorways, making them easy to cheese. They;re also very easy to parry, and they'll always buff themselves after 1 successful parry, which gives you enough time to run behind them and charge an R2 for a backstab. You can usually chain-visceral them to death in this fashion.

>>135666609
>using buzzwords instead of proper statement
/v/ degenerates are same

Anyone remember when the leaked info got out the first time and the video talked about some kind of mechanic where you create your own bonfires?

Im gonna guess that mechanic was scrapped since we have not seen it at all yet

>>135666681
>Throne of Want
more like throne of i don't want

>>135665939
>>135666090

anyone?

>>135666670

Yes, because the Longsword is identical to the Zweihander.

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>>135666609
Is /v/ raiding us?
Fantastic.

>>135666527
It's the only weapon class that wasn't shown.

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What are some good fire weapons in Das2? Currently using charred loyce gs, smelter sword, and possessed armor sword.

>>135666445
BB actually has 3 potential final bosses. If you choose the wakeup ending, then your final boss is the Wet Nurse.

>>135666681
in my experience MP becomes a pretty solid fight when you go in with like 15 VIT and only hunter tools.

DS2 endgame is trash no matter what way you go about doing it.

>>135666864
Iron King Hammer is underrated.

>>135666886
that's some out of the box thinking

>>135666681
Moon Presence supposed to be weak.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXk7D_dwgQw

RING RING

>>135665284
Months, usually.

>>135666979
Will try it out. Its r2s look fun.

>>135666886
Right, so I think if you're talking about the final boss of each game, it should be THE final boss, going as far as you can. Real Allant, Gwyn, Aldia, Moon Presence.

>>135666886
Oh, I completely forgot about that now that you mention it. Wet Nurse was cool in design but a bit too much on the easy side. That shadow mist attack was pretty great
Wet Nurse=Yharnam Sunrise
Gerhman=Honoring Wishes
Moon Prescense=Childhood's Beginning

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RING RING

ring ring

ring ring

>>135665848
Thief is everything you need.

>Bandit's Knife
>Short Bow
>Luck

Hopefully this game has Lacerating arrows. All I want is a bleed dagger, a poison dagger, and bleed/poison arrows.

>>135666886
If you quit at any point in the game, then the real final boss is the last one you beat, that means there are actually 38 final bosses

>>135665734
I love how whenever anything is dark/gothic, the internet always defaults to screaming "edgy".

You faggots have no idea what edge is.

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>BB had three different endings, one well hidden.
>DS3 will probably be like DS1 "do it or turn 360 degrees and walk away"

>>135666047
>>135666445

Yeah It's a pretty shitty poll all things considered.

>>135667428
>360 degrees
anon...

>>135667428
DS1 had 1 ending?

>>135667428
>implying the final boss won't be the friends we made along the way

Is moonlight butterfly horn any good? or am i gonna get memed on by gravy magic barrier

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>>135667602

>>135667428
It would be really nice if 3 also had a really well-hidden 3rd ending.

From the looks of it, our ending choices are basically going to be planting the last lord on the throne and restarting the age of fire or committing a "secret betrayal" and letting the world end.

I actually get the feeling that the reason the elder/younger prince bgm is split like that is because it's functionally just the last boss theme, and our ending choice dictates which of the 2 we fight. Either we side with Lothric, kill the other and then link the fire, or we betray Lothric to stop the linking and let the flame go out.

Maybe there'll be a 3rd path like in ac4a where you just say fuck everything and go off to do some other random shit.

>Witch of Hemwick is better laid out fight than half of DS2 boss fights
Let that sink in for a bit.

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>>135667492
Another attempt.
>Worst hub in a "Souls" game.
http://strawpoll.me/7119475

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>Santzo willl speedrun DS3 soon

>>135667791
One of the best spears in the game for pvp as it goes through most common shields with magic resist.
Great magic barrier is a shit with 30 seconds duration. Just fucking flip around for a few moments.

>>135663527
That's not even shockwaves. It hits his foot, so really it's just a case of a guy who picked the knight and didn't raise agility (giving him only 8 I frames per roll to start)

So what's the best starting class, Knight? Knight seems best.

Best starting gift is obviously the coins.

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Post /fa/shion souls

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>>135666581

>>135667910
>planting the last lord on the throne and restarting the age of fire
But what makes them "Lords of Cinder" is that they already linked the fire once. Do you think one person can link the flame twice? Also wouldn't that be too similar to DaS1's ending?

>>135667428
>>135667910

Hollowing is definitely going to effect the ending. There is no way they'd keep it that hidden or that tempting without it being significant.

>>135668085
Knight for most builds it seems. I'll probably end up going dex/fai mercenary.

>>135667791
it was high tier in pvp when i played (in combination with moonlight gs)

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>>135662668
>born in march

Holy shit look at this fucking faggot

>>135668014
As a hub I think the Hunter's Dream is slightly worse than Majula but I still like it more than Majula on account of the boss fights that go down there.

>>135667602
>reading comprehension

>>135663712
About 1 minute. I hope Miyazaki didn't nerf the gold serpent ring because of luck.

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>>135667994
>if you come into their arena with zero insight they won't be able to spawn horrors at you as you're basically in Bigoted Old Man mode and don't believe in supernatural shit so it can't affect you
This small neat detail alone makes it better than most DS2 bosses.

>>135668085
Only problem with Knight is that we don't know how low your Vit needs to be to get maximum benefit from the Flynn's ring in this game.

Knight has 15 Vit, which gives 55 max equip weight. If it's 60 like in DaS2, then everything is fine, but if it's something lower like 50, then Knight is fucked.

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>>135666581
>>135668140
and here's a webm for good measure

>>135668253
oh anon

>>135668014

Eh, they've all been pretty good, honestly. Majula was comfy, plus having a little town instead of some ruins was a nice change of pace. We see so little of what civilization actually looks like in Souls. I mean, it wasn't ALWAYS shit, right?

>>135668014
Fuck this is hard, all of them are so great. DaS2 as a whole may not be great, but Majula is a fantastic area.

I think I may have to go with HD since while that was cool, I missed all the characters that would hang out in the hub in other games but in BB were in Oedon Chapel instead.

>>135668062
Yeah, but the whole agility crap makes shock waves worse.

>>135668408
Majula was always shit, even at the peak of Vendrick's rule. The village has a literal shithole were they shove all the unwanted things.

>>135668324
flynns ring might work absolutely differently compared to ds2 as its description hints at that it scales with your actual equip load, not max one so to take full effect you wll need to either wear rags or pump vitality super high

>>135668157
It's not really that well hidden. An NPC begins talking to you when you approach his area, making him virtually impossible to miss. Talking to him gives you free levelups, which nobody in their right mind would refuse.

Hollowing isn't hidden, it's just misleading. You're baited into it and the negative effects aren't made readily apparent because free levelups are dangled in front of your face.

Anyone have a list of the starting gifts?

>>135668273

But doesn't entering the boss room give you one insight by default?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqJPZbizlfs

>few hours to 60fps

>>135668014
Firelink felt less safe or comfortable than any of the other areas. It was pretty much a crossroad, not a place you'd go to relax.

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>mfw afk in forest with game minimized and controller starts vibrating

>>135668606
Use hunter's mark, spend given point of insight. It's only given once.

>>135668408
I've always been curious about this. None of the places we visit seem like a place you can actually live in or are made for normal foot traffic. You can't convince me that Blight Town as actually a town people wanted to live in.

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How are my mods?

>>135668531

Eh, maybe I'm just a sucker for the "merry band of misfits" trope. I mean, if you're undead, that basically means you don't have to eat or drink, so you could spend your days doing whatever you pleased until the fire started to fade.

Do undead need to eat? I mean, the player character never eats or sleeps in game, so I just assumed estus was all that they needed to keep going. However, the fact that consumeables exist shows that undead can eat and derive benefit from the things that they eat, and Seigbrau shows that Siegward drinks for pleasure, at least.

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>>135668543
>its description hints at that it scales with your actual equip load
The wording is the same as in DaS2:

>"Ring of Flynn, the infamous thief.
Utilizes the strength of the wind,
such that lower equip load proportionally
increases physical attack."

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>>135668630
>that fire shotgun pyromancy used by pyro vendor
this motherfucker holds out some cool spells and ain't selling them to you, ain't he
cheeky cunt

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>>135668771
>You can't convince me that Blight Town as actually a town people wanted to live in.

Have you been to India?

>>135668273
Insight as a whole is an interesting mechanic. It's detrimental to hoard it, so it encourages using it up.

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Why is the cleric wearing the same bakcpack thing as those hunchback pilgrims from the Opening Movie?

>>135668014
Majula, the shitty music is enough to make me hate that place.

>>135668594

I'm just saying that it seems Bamco is keeping it under wraps, at least from today's stream. Vaati is Bamco's little bitch, so maybe he has at least enough brownie points to reveal its existence, but nothing else.

>>135668892
DS2:
>LOWER equip load proportionally
increases physical attack
DS3:
>LOWERING equip load increases attack power

>>135668014
Hunter's Dream was the worst, mostly because of having to teleport to and then from it just to get between areas, which at least wouldn't be as bad if the loading times weren't so abysmal.
Plus it being the only hub that didn't have NPCs going back to it, giving it life, but then even the ones that went to the Chapel weren't particularly interesting for the most part, didn't have any real questlines of their own.

>>135668892
It isn't the same, though.

"Lowering" implies it's something you can do at any time.

>>135668543
It worked just fine in 2. Being based off your max equip weight meant that builds were forced to keep their vit so low that they couldn't wear anything but rags. 60 was the perfect number in that game because it still let cloth-wearers use ultra weapons, so in effect there was no weapon that didn't fully benefit from flynns.

Making it based on equip % is a stupid idea because it means that every max level shitter in full havels could also use it, and vit-gouging poiseflynns would be a thing. The whole point of flynns was to force the user to eschew poise if they wanted the damage bonus.

>>135669006
clerics tend to go on pilgrimages

>>135669042
Maybe you're right. I certainly hope it works that way, but I won't get my hopes up.

>>135669037
Bamco is just hiding the Sunset twist.
It's not a secret, they just don't want to spoil what happens in the last ~1/3 of the game.

>>135668685
I disagree. It's the place where all the NPCs you'd met in your travels came to stay and rest which made it full of fun merchants and characters during the mid game. That's what made it so heartbreaking when they slowly take their leave and head back out into the world as you get close to the end.

Also it has the comfiest music

>>135669087
if matchmaking works like in bb you will never invade max level player with sl125 character as there's an upper level cap you can invade
in bb an sl 100 build can only invade 50 levels above and 20 below, leaving overleveled trash to play alone

and it sure as fuck didn't work fine in ds2 as armor gives virtually no benefits and flynns allowed longswords and rapiers to far surpass dps of any larger and heavier weapons
at least in ds3 they will be forced to sacrifice absorption for it

Artorias DLC was so short. Are the DS2 DLC's this long?

>>135669410
Each DaS2 dlc individually is a little shorter than AotA, with only 3 bosses to AotA's 4. Combined, they end up being much longer, obviously.

>>135669410
Put together, they're longer.
Individually, they're pretty short. Especially sunken king.

>>135669410
Bullshit difficulty makes them longer.

>>135669410
not really super long, they are a bit harder than the main game though. i absolutely crushed NG with my build and went into the dlc and it wasn't difficult, but it felt like going into NG+ were you actually need to focus.

>>135668804

Bad. But what is that?

>>135669615
i never killed the two snow cats

>>135669410
They're nothing to write home about. Fume Knight and Alonne are cool fights, though. I'm expecting DS3's DLC to be more in line with Bloodborne's.

Is Dark Souls 2 the hardest game in the series, or is it artificial difficulty from a combination of bullshit enemy placement, shit level design, horrible hitboxes, and shitty controls?

>>135669071
I think that's my least favorite part about Bloodborne. The fact that they decided to make the messengers the only merchants in the game and had all weapon upgrading happen in the workshop took so many interesting character positions out of the game. Sure Eileen and Alfred and Valter are all great, but when I think back to DaS1, I also remember fondly characters like Laurentius and the Crestfallen Merchant and Andre — all positions that are now fulfilled by a birdbath and a table.

>>135669737

Horsefuck valley can fuck itself

>>135669864
the latter

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>>135669864
the latter

>>135668543
Honestly, I think it shouldn't be based on % equip load or max equip load, but instead be based on the current weight of everything you have equipped.

Makes more sense that way.

Either way the description is identitical to DS2's description. It could work different, but it definitely shouldn't work in a way that makes pumping VIT effective with it. It's supposed to be a ring for people who don't pump vit.

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CHEEKY FUCKING CUNT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>literally sidesteps behind assbird every time i try to soul spear him

>>135662668
happy birthday buddy, i hope you have some tacos for me

>>135670047
>description is identitical
>>135669042

>>135669864
Artificial difficulty is a meme.

>>135668140
>>135668341
Fuck I can't decide between herald and thief

Herald looks fun but will also probably be the memeclass and thief has dat high luck stat

>>135670137
meme magic and Yui Tanimura made it real

>>135670180
Thief. You don't want to spend time on your first playthrough farming, do you?

>>135668891
Siegmeyer was supposed to eat, but the concept got scrapped.

>>135669385
Armor gave poise.

>>135670291
but poise in 2 doesnt do anything

>>135669864
>Artificial difficulty

It's not that bad. It just rewards patience more than the other games.

Also sprinting past a part is less encouraged since enemies aggro for a lot longer. Sprinting through DS2 is a good way to get yourself swarmed if you plan on stopping anywhere before the boss.

Anyone gonna host a fc tonight?

Man, imagine the reactions if it turned out the plot twist for DS3 was that the sun was literally melting into nothing because the fire hasn't been linked in ages, and we're basically going to be reliving that one Courage the Cowardly Dog episode by going to the sun itself for the final boss fight to either fix it or fuck the sun's shit up to end the world itself.

>>135670135
Yes, that's called identical.

>>135670464
How many marijuanas have you had tonight?

>>135670291
which is irrelevant
>muh ugs hyperarmor
irrelevant mechanic for irrelevant weapon class in a game about robflynn buffed warped sword

>>135670443
ive been trying to host one in 2 for days and noone showed up any time

>>135670443
We always have Oolacile

But as for Burg

someone else has to do that shit or I will very impatiently do it

>>135670464
I hope the ending involved a real first person video of Miyazaki walking around his house.

>>135669864
The shit level design doesn't contribute to the difficulty. It's shit in the "this is really bland, why is the boss door 5 steps from the entrance, why did I bother exploring when this long path just lead me to a dragon charm, why am I still playing this?" kind of way.

There aren't that many horrible hitboxes. If you've ever lurked a thread on /v/, you've seen literally every bad hitbox in the game because the 5 of them that exist in total are all made into webms and reposted constantly for the sake of cherrypicking. Don't be making collision with a mimic when it opens and level ADP and you'll be fine.

The controls are no worse than any other game in the series. There are a few changes (read improvements) that people will never stop complaining about because any change from DaS1 is bad and wrong and ruined everything because change is bad.

The enemy placement is more forgiving than DaS1 but that won't stop people that sprint into an area and aggro everything from insisting it's bullshit and artificial difficulty.

The truest artificial difficulty is the fact that iframes are tied to a goddamn stat. Literally who thought that was a good idea? The game design is bland and uninspired but not ball-busting or cruel to the player. The game is easier than DaS1 in general but has various points where it becomes more difficult.

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>>135670464
>the sun is melting
>the soul of cinder is literally the embodiment of the dying sun
>it's a faint shadow of its former self, like gwyn in 1

DUDE

>>135670393
You get swarmed by enemies a mile away that you can't be reasonably expected to notice ahead of time

>>135670626
Fuck Jonathan Blow, I can't believe he bogged down his decent puzzle game with the worst story of all time

I'm still so mad

>>135670789
are you talking about the witness? What was the ending?

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>getting to lud and zallen fight

wow what an amazing journey

>>135670364
Only if they 2hand.

>>135670631
>iframes are tied to a goddamn stat.
Yeah that's the real bullshit.

>The controls are no worse than any other game in the series. There are a few changes (read improvements)

Making poking from behind the shield as slow as molasses and aim away from the target half the time wasn't an improvement..

>>135670550
It seems like a possible twist, considering we see some pics of shit leaking from the sun itself.

>>135670664
That...actually kinda would make sense, truthfully.

And also would be an amazing conclusion to the Dark Souls trilogy. After all, the only thing left that's lasted by now with fire is the sun itself. Take it out, and then you have a true eternal age of dark/man, or even an age of grey.

Plus, imagine having to fight the sun itself for the finale.

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Tell me how many days are left before DaS3 comes out.

Answer correctly and I will grant you insurmountable power.

Answers incorrectly and I kill all your levelup waifus.

There is only one correct answer.

>>135670967
i use ultra weapons all the time and i get staggered out of almost every swing
poise in 2 does not work

>>135670914
see
>>135670626

>>135671096
Have you got a screw loose?

Four.

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Question, what are the 4 knights of Gwyn? Ciaran and Gough reference the Cursed undead as ''humans'', or just human, that's on the note as if they weren't human to begin with, the fuck are they then? Are they undead who simply think you're not hollowed yet because it's in the past?

>>135671096
Seventy

::^^))

Early pyromancy teachings

Fireball
>6 INT, 6 FAI
Fire Surge
>6 INT
Great Combustion
>10 INT, 10 FAI
Flash Sweat
>6 INT, 6 FAI

>Pyromancer starts with 14 INT, 14 FAI
I guess the book that unlocks advanced teachings has high reqs

>>135671096
First, answer this: Do you mean until the Jap release, or the global release?

>>135670914
The world is set up with all these disturbing statues everywhere that seem somewhat interesting, but when you beat the game nothing is revealed about them whatsoever and the camera just slowly floats through the map and credits role. Then you get dumped back in the first area and within 5 minutes you can find a poorly hidden "super secret" new puzzle that unlocks the secret ending which is literally 20 minutes of Jonathan Blow with a camera strapped to his head stumbling around his house doing nothing. It's so infuriating since the world did set up some interesting questions, but instead of answering them he just did pretentious shit instead

>>135670914
there's a hidden thing where you watch Jonathan Blow walking around his studio like an amnesiac caveman who has no idea what anything is
it's not the ending though, don't listen to the other morons, it's an easter egg

the actual ending is the player getting in an elevator thingy that flies around the game world for no reason and nothing actually happens

>>135671145
Have you tried wearing armor?

>>135671183
any cool pyromancies, sorceries, or miracles shown yet?

>>135671152
They're demigods.

>>135671096
4d 12h

>>135671235
sounds like Firewatch

what a waste of 2 hours that was

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>>135671150
>>135671353

>visit DK website
>they plan to have 5 Dark Souls games

Demons Souls will always be the best, sorry not sorry hoes

>>135671096
24_____

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>>135671446
I agree

>>135669894
I don't really think having no normal merchants detracted from the game, you could chat to everyone just fine, having a "trade" option wouldn't have changed much.

>>135670631
a big problem is that you would get to a new area and it would be far easier and faster to just suicide run to the end to grab whatever items/pull levers rather than play through properly and slowly, fighting everything. Like in the iron keep dlc, there's a part where you drop down a trapdoor into a tiny room with like 5 ash warriors, a couple of exploding ones one of those statue things that shoots fire and a giant lava guy. Why? Why even bother trying to fight that properly.

What changes are you talking about that are good? SM is by far the biggest mistake in the game, there is no situation where that was a good idea and no way to make it into a good idea with tweaking.

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Got pic related from the big nigknight in Undead Parish.

Anyone got any fun builds for this thing?

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>>135671425
And you call me a beast? A beast?!

What would you know!I didn't ask for this!

>>135671332
seeing as how every ultra weapon character i have also has around 70~80 poise yes i wear armor

>>135671412
Definitely has some similarities. However, the puzzle in the Witness *were* very well done and clever, which almost makes it more disappointing that the ending shits the bed so much. At least Firewatch was pretty mediocre from the start

>>135671183
I hope fire surge isn;t shit again in this game. It's been so lame in every previous game that's included it. I thought it was a good thing that it was left out in 2 and I would've preferred if they'd kept it out and given us fire whip or something instead.

I also hope they don't pull that shit where high-tier pyromancies start taking 2 or 3 slots each. If I have to level int/fth to meet requirements and need some dex to boost cast speed, on top of needing endurance to cast spells and vigor to not die, I;m not going to be able to spare the points to gouge att like usual. In DaS2, you needed like 11 attunement slots for a pure pyro yo have enough options to work in pvp. There's no way I'll be able to afford that many in 3 if I also need int/fth and probably some dex on top of all that, too

>>135671608
yea its called 50 str 0dex

>>135671608
Full strenght is the only option.

>>135670631

let's not forget that dark souls 2 has literally every boss and minor enemy spinning on a fucking hot plate with every attack to the point that even trying to strafe them becomes a liability

we're also ignoring that the reason for such insane tracking is due to the horrible enemy design in general, they had no way to make them challenging outside of just fucking rotating toward the player during every attack windup from start to finish

i just played through DS2 and i'm a ~souls veteran~, it was the worst fucking experience i've had with video games in quite a while. enemy placement, enemy design, enemy tracking, enemy 'loot rewards'.. enemy drop rates.

everything about dark souls 2 enemies fucking sucks. the minor enemies are more challenging than most boss fights. the only way they can 'challenge' the player is to swarm them with three or more opponents at a time

red phantoms in DS2 have like 5-8k hp because their AI is so fucking bad that they need to be near unkillable without top-end gear to be 'intimidating' to the player

>cherrypicking bad hitboxes
off the top of my head from the last two days.. smelter demon, literally every giant in the dream areas, the fucking fire lizards, PURSUER's near-everything, almost every spell missile effect, rotten's swing attacks, drake keepers of every variety, the ancient dragon, the chariot's wheel spikes, the mace side of flexile sentries, OGRE GRABS, veldstat's mace pounds or any giant enemy with a mace in general, nearly every grab attack vacuums your ass into it

this was with a 115 agility (fucking high ass ADP) run, too. i missed a bunch of enemies in that list, but to say that bad hitbox examples are just cherrypicking... cmon, son

ds2 is a heap of fucking shit that plays like a fanmade level editor of the original, ds3 is literally removing nearly every feature of it and fixing the fucking franchise

>>135668140
I've never played any type of mage in any of the souls games. I guess now is my chance.

>>135668771

Probably the same deal as the valley of defilement. It wasn't a very "Voluntary" thing.

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Since anon wanted it

Burg
125
MP CH 8

Sign down by the sniper's position

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>>135671608
pic related is my favorite build for pvp since noone expects it to almost 1 shot them

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So, looking carefully at the new IGN DaS3 footage revealed that two handing doesn't increase your strength. Quality builds are going to need shit ton of stat investment again (40/40).

>>135671573
The fact that you watched an enemy fall through a trap door to show you that it was there and still jumped down into the fight head on really says something. That encounter provides all the tools to defeat it without fighting and without cheesing. You were the "yolo" player in the tale of 2 adventurers.

>>135671790
>let's not forget that dark souls 2 has literally every boss and minor enemy spinning on a fucking hot plate with every attack
One enemy type in forest of fallen giants, the first proper area of the game, does this. After that single area, nothing in the game rotates like that. I can't be arsed to read the rest of your great wall of whining.

Soulsborne was a mistake, it is nothing but console wars.

Also the letters don't match.

>>135672005
>greataxe cleric
dope

>no mommy mask
>no 2nd ring
?????

>>135672093
and the mannequins in earthen, and the alonne knights, and the grave wardens, and the old knights, and the drakekeepers, and most of the other enemies
ds2 is bad, quit defending it

>>135671573
>I don't really think having no normal merchants detracted from the game
You could talk to them, but there was less reason to. Finding NPCs in DaS1 was doubly exciting since they would help you out in the game and were interesting characters. In BB, the best thing telling someone to go to Oedon can get you are there blood vials which I honestly never used once in my entire playthrough. Compare the number of times you talked to someone like Andre or Domhnall vs the number of times you talked to Adella. Compare how betrayed you felt when Lautrec removed heart of your hub and took away the ability to upgrade your estus easily vs how little the suspicious stranger actually effects you if you let him kill a few people in Oedon. The worst thing that can actually happen there is if he kills Arianna before you kill Micolash, but her umbilical cord isn't actually required to get the final ending anyway

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>>135672086
>that two handing doesn't increase your strength
What the fucking shit.

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Guys do you think we'll see Kaathe and Gwynevere again?
I really want them to show up.

>>135672086
>two handing doesn't increase your strength
for damage scaling maybe
for weapon requirements i'm calling bullshit

>>135672307

That, or they changed how the AR is displayed. In the network test you'd do more damage on criticals when two handing (DaS1 style str increase).

>>135671631
That's not enough. Go for 100+. Ideally 110.

>>135672093

>I can't be arsed to read the rest of your great wall of whining.

because YOU are the cherrypicking devil's advocate fucker that actually wants to promote DS2 as anything other than the worst offense to the souls series

i don't get mad at people on anonymous image boards very often, but you literally make me sick nigga

>>135672005
Looks fun. Are any of the upgrade paths worth it or should I just go base +15?

>>135672093
more enemies spin than don't did you even play the game. Some of them don't even "lock" onto an attack angle, they will track until they finish attacking.

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>>135672195
>mommy mask
Leave

>>135672369
kaathe is mentioned when you kill one of the npcs

>>135672493
divine shits out damage for when you dont want to use slb
or if you want go in darkmoon+2 for sick magic damage buffs
second ring doesnt really matter, but wolf/hornet is preferred

>>135672432

In DaS, it would increase your strength.
In DaS2 it would halve the requirements.

>>135672464
>Go for 100+. Ideally 110.

not the guy ur replyin to but my current ds2 str build has some retarded 130 poise and i still get absolutely shit on by players 2handing a rapier and spamming the r1 on me

literally breaking the super armor of the Fume Greatsword's heavy block attack with one or two rapier pokes

ds2's everything is miserable

>>135672493
no there all worse than +15 except in some niche situations. except crystal but then you can never repair your axe so when it breaks its gone.

>>135670631
yeah deadzones were truly an improvement

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He needs fights

>>135672861
what channel, be there in a sec

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>Luck as a stat is back


This is some real horseshit

>>135672608
being mentioned doesn't exactly mean shit

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>>135673003
nice

>>135673057
it actually does something this time though

>>135673057
Better than resistance or adaptability.

How dead is Dark Souls 1 multiplayer?

>>135673017
Eight

>>135673017
mp channnel 8

>>135672861
is this that AI fight program that was posted before?

>>135673147
Still active on PS3.

>>135673147
pretty active on ps3 but mainly japanese hyperautists

>>135673147
pretty good on ps3.
pc has some minor activity but it's virtually all twinks

I've never used DW like blade of mercy in bloodborne or anything

how do you even find out the best rotation? just trial and error?

Plan to start merc so I have DW weapon need help senpai

>>135673520
What are you even asking?

>>135673520
>rotation
what?

Has IGN uploaded their 60fps stream yet?

>>135673520
>rotation
lmao what

have you played with power stance in DaS2?
you press a button (L1 in this case) and it attacks with both weapons at the same time
that's it
R1 still works like a regular 1H weapon

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I'm on DS2 NG++, whats the best STR weapon for PvE.

I have 45 STR and DEX, Maybe a spear or lance would be fun.

So, no one here's playing/discussing Salt and Sanctuary?

>>135673818

yes but its not rendered yet so u cant watch it in 60fps. will probably be done in an hour or two

>>135673945
There are probably a few people playing, but no one is really sure if discussion about it is "allowed".

>>135673847
>power stance in DaS2

not him, but

how do you actually make power stancing something worthwhile? it's dogshit for combos (gigantor stamina drain), huge wind-ups and most animations are ridiculously long for only minor damage increase over a basic r1 from your original weapon

what's the hype behind it